Thread 723521563

Did the pivot from co-op PvE to a PvP extraction shooter help it?

The girls aren't sexy enough

>>723521563 (OP)
its like if concord and destiny 2 had a fucked up child

>watch a guy spend like 10 minutes doing all the tedious "hold e" interactions on a bunch of large robots you have to climb up on
>while he's on the last one and it's alarm is blaring so loud half the map would be deaf from it, sneak up behind and shoot him and take all of it
camping is just too good in this game, it feels less risky and more rewarding than it ever was tarkov. the shield nerf from pervious playtests is a big part of that, TTK is just way too low even if you're kitted with a medium shield there's zero risk as long as you're the first to engage since you'll basically always win.

Game could also do with a scav rep type of thing to encourage not just killing free kit players/all players on sight all the time. Maybe make it so harder drones pursue you if you've built up bad rep

>>723522065
elaborate

>>723521563 (OP)
I'm not gonna speak and I have no friends so I will not buy the game.

>>723522130
these are design considerations far beyond their ability. this game was an entirely different genre and structure until like a year ago

>Get to elevator
>Spotted by drones and get hit
>manage to start the extraction
>Finish and immediately get shot
>knocked out of the elevator and the doors close in front of me

>>723521563 (OP)
I remember having a good time with the TT2 but this one feels very off even with the closed off progression. Am I going crazy?

>>723522923
I can't tell how much of it is lack of all progression making it feel pointless, lack of maps making it get stale much faster, balance changes making death feel less fair, or a combination of all these things and probably more

But I agree it's not hitting the same way

>>723521563 (OP)
First time trying it in the stress test today. It's fun with buddies, you run into less people, you have the chance to retreat and heal and run from bad engagements. I can imagine it's going to get super sweaty not long after launch and ruin it for all average gamers like nyself. I can get kills but into solo to actually get out 90% of the time means several battles need to be won and avoiding the tougher enemies while looting and getting noticed by 1/2 the map whenever you try and extract.

9k for secret hatch keys for an better chance at escape is ludicrous, the loot is pretty terrible, even if you manage to get keys and loot the dam map is the stress test, or you fight the large spider (not the queen) the loot is just crap.

Solo is a bad experience, coop is better but none of my friends are impressed by the stress test and want to actually buy it. Im sure random duos and trios will be pretty bad. I'll probably skip it.

The only hope is that sweats go to the higher rank maps and leave the low rank maps for casuals to have fun in. I doubt it though,

>>723521563 (OP)
Rust has more content than this piece of shit.

>>723522065
plays like neither of those games

>>723522065
>tf2fag is retarded
tale as old as time

>>723522242
these niggas really saw how much bank Helldivers made and really were like "nah, lets go for the unpopular genre notorious for shitty longterm progression plans and dogshit PvP mechanics"

then these retards are like "well Tarkov and Hunt are the only two extraction shooters, we obviously need more" but never ask why those are the only two extraction shooters on the market

>>723523009
Even then, I remembered one thing that drew worry from me during the TT2 was the progression itself. It didn't feel engaging and the loop upgrading your crafting shit felt boring.

>>723523195
Arc Raiders is session based which is huge plus compared to games like Rust which basically requires commitment of a full time job. Also Rust gunplay is pretty bad.

>>723521563 (OP)
They made a game for viewers, not for gamers.

>>723521563 (OP)
No, the Pivot to EpigOnlineSpyware.dll being REQUIRED certainly didn't.

>>723523824
The arc gameplay designers should bail and go save forever winter, because that's the one thing stopping that game from taking off is how dogshit it plays and how glitchy the enemies are, but it otherwise has way more potentially interesting content progression than arc raiders

>>723521563 (OP)
Extraction shooters aren't my thing. The audio design was really nice though.

I only like solo extraction shooters like Vigor and CoD Zombies.

>>723522130
adding to this, in tarkov the risk to reward is that if you get fucked up in an engagement you'll have to spend the next several minutes vulnerably popping pills and suturing your wounds, while there's none of that in Arc Raiders meaning there's even less risk or reason not to just death match with everyone you come across

Didn't enjoy it, solo mode is not a good time and seems like it was made as an afterthought

>>723521563 (OP)
Killed my interest. Extraction shooters are the worst of a PvE game and the worst of a DayZ clone. Not interested anymore.

>>723522065
The fuck are you on about it’s nothing like those games

>>723523824
>nah, lets go for the unpopular genre notorious for shitty longterm progression plans and dogshit PvP mechanics
Cool story bro. One game is live since 2019 the other since 2024.

>>723525103
Wrong pic.

>>723521563 (OP)
This game is literal dogshit. I have never played more mid game than this. The pvp is ass, the pve is ass, the looting is ass, the rewards are ass. The communitiy for it like all the other swedish games out rn is a circlejerk mess that'll die in a year.

>>723525225
>that'll die in a year
after all maps are out, it'll be dead in three months max

the game is gay. as in literally homosexual

>>723525159
As long as there's enough other people to find games, who gives a fuck how many people are playing it? Steamcharts niggers are the dumbest motherfuckers on this site.

>>723521563 (OP)
Wasn't this supposed to be some entirely different genre years ago? Why is it extractionslop now?

>>723526035
If it had a separate solo queue I would agree but if low player count ends up ruining solo play by lumping them in with KOS teams it will be very bad

>>723523186
I’m having a ton of fun solo. I think it would only be not fun if you’re not good. In short, git gud.

>not fun unless your friends also like third person crafting looter shooters instead of other live extractions shooters like the division/tarkov/rust/cod they have already played to death
>they dont so I loot for 5 minutes before catching a a round in the back of my head every time I stop to break down materials
>finally find someone who doesn't kill on sight
>wander near some new type of robot that i can't damage or run from with my stamina and die
>browse youtube for any information of what the mechanics/enemies/areas/objectives/damage numbers of this fucking game are
this was just streamer bait, wasn't it? Lore is gonna be revealed with a dev in 67_Zoomer's chat as they place the macguffin crystal in an innocuous "E" slot and there's gonna be a tie in with rick and morty.

Whose head at nu-dice is this failure going to fall on when the market punishes another reshuffled ex-AAA team for chasing decade old trends with 0 new creative ideas because they thought they could make more money this way?

>>723526187
After release everyone will be able to craft snipers and the whole game will come down to retards camping the elevators, dont get fooled by the beta in which they made it impossible to craft snipers

it takes the worst aspects of PvE and PvP but none of the positives.

constantly walking across empty areas, scavenging loot then waiting for the items to actually be lootable. npc enemies spongy as shit and unfun to fight. pvp is just your run of the mill clash between who has objectively better gear, otherwise it's just a lame ass game of who can out-camp who.

all for little to no real progression or reward, and since it's an extraction shooter i imagine your progress will get seasonally wiped because fuck you something something longterm community health or some shit.

it's like the whole genre is designed explicitly to waste as much of your time as possible under the guise of difficulty. i really don't see the appeal.

Is there more than 7 guns in the playtest? Think I've only seen pistol, silenced pistol, large mag pistol, handcannon, assault rifle, shotgun and singleshot rifle.

>>723526047
It used to be a lootershooter

>Why is it extractionslop now?
Money, same as always anon.

how kany players are in a match at a time? how do i know if everyone else extracted early or what happens if i just jump in and extract right away?

>try to extract, get shot in the back from height
>whip around and knock them first with well placed headshots
Normies are gonna hate this game but I'm digging the high ttk

>>723526359
This were my thoughts as well
It's very Concord-esque and Stormgatery in the fact that it's ugly to look at and combines the worst aspects of its inspirations

NPCs too far and in-between, and they're just lame drones
Map is gigantic and will barely find another team unless camping
There's no itemization or gear, so the scavenge loop is useless and pointless
UEngine, grainy shit everywhere
DEI slop, and this time for real again, not a meme
Menu is boring, minimalistic but also hard to read at the same time, an achievement i must say

>>723526359
I hope at least with maxed out stats you'll be able to sprint like a maniac and vault over stuff and ninja about a bit, or more effective sneak. Right now with so few talent point from being out a short while it's just who has the better gun which is largely RNG on loot and RNG who you happen to run into and RNG timing.

We've shit on entire groups of 3 who are literally extracting by waiting and camping until they get in the lift and then hammering them with nades while they're fighting bots, flanking them so they have no cover and tearing them apart.

Our opportunity to be in that situation was entirely luck. If we'd showed up 20s later or 1 minute earlier it would have gone down entirely differently.

Also it has a degenerate loot system, good people get better loot and so can craft better loadouts, average or worse people get shit on, then have to go in with worse loadouts which in turn makes it even harder. Bots need to descend on pvp sweats way faster and make it a risk to attack other players.

>>723526035
My point is that PvE turned out to be a FOMO while PvP lasts for half a decade already without bleeding a lot of players.

>>723521563 (OP)
I'm having fun bleying with some friends. My only grips is that the character models just range from butt ugly to comical with yuge schnozers. Really lame they couldn't even make good hair styles. It doesn't need to be First Descendant tier, but it should at least not look like Concord.

I've been camping extracts since it launched.

why hammer do so low damage

>>723521563 (OP)
The only thing this game has going for is the atmosphere. The game is very shallow for an extraction shooter. My biggest peeve is the loot is boring as hell.

>>723527091
>My point is that PvE turned out to be a FOMO
i don't think you know what FOMO means

do people who play this slop just not have brains

>>723526035
Chartfags cannot be reasoned with anon. They are too stupid and have to rely on bigger number vs smaller number and colorful lines so they can form their opinions around.

The game seems to be just extract camping the game?

Isn't this game woke af with absolutley no boobs, everyone is ugly and flat chested. Plus they ban anyone remotely right wing on the steam forums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slQmsd1PxUs&t=102s

>>723524514
how poorly it runs isn't helping either lmao
forever winter devs should be flayed alive for how badly programmed that game is

how many extraction points are there on the map? is there anything stopping me from just activating them and fucking off?

>>723523186
Pretty sure you can craft keys, but we can't upgrade our crafting stations to make them in the playtest

>>723521563 (OP)
No, it's going to die in obscurity for everyone that doesn't have half a dozen friends to pick and choose from at all times. So everyone.

>>723528339
They don't go away after you use them, but they turn off a certain time into the round

Damn I havent gun sounds this good since medal of honor

>>723528293
I played for 2 hours before realising my character had tits, lmao

>>723528339
Besides wasting your own time, no. They come back online about 30 seconds after they close. I think there are about 6 but I'm not sure.

Do solos and trios have the same total number of players on the map?

>>723528619
No
It's 21 for groups and a bit less for solos
But it's constantly being refilled with groups as they die until near the end of the match

>>723528735
matchmaking cutoff is at 15 minutes remaining btw
so it's usually a little less busy late game but there are also less extracts

>>723521563 (OP)
No cause now it's going to be ruined by cheaters.

Id play it if it was coop.
Never care for extraction shooters, shit is to autistic even for me.

I've never seen another team
Map is too big and filled with nothing
Enemy NPC robots are lame
Characters are ugly as sin
UI is like Moby playing the keyboard
Weapons feel unsatisfying as fuck
>40dls + taxes
no bro

>>723521563 (OP)
Technically high quality but Embark need to cut the shit and just make Bad Company 2 again instead of these meme extraction shooter games.

haven't played any other extraction shooters but the map feels pretty small to me baka desu fampai

tried the test after not being able to get into TT2.

I love the visuals, audio, the world they've made, and everything else about the game besides the fact that it's an extraction shooter. A few matches in, and the gameplay loop just isn't for me. I'm happy for the ones who like PVP games, but this one isn't clicking. I wish they kept the original concept or made it similar to Helldivers.

I'll keep the OST looping tho.

>>723521563 (OP)
Arena Breakout is free and it's impressively much better
Absolute mog, and i don't even think that much about extraction shooters

>>723529343
Gimme a quick rundown on the chinkslop extraction shooter. I'm surprised at how high the reviews are for chinese f2p bullshit

>>723529308
The Finals had similar issues for me. The developer was founded by former DICE employees and they've done a great job on the audio, general gunfeel, etc but I hate the format they picked for that (3v3v3v3 + class based shooter + extraction mechanics) and I just don't enjoy these br/pvpve extraction shooter games either.

I hope they just make a PvE shooter or a normal PVP shooter.

>empty entire mag into someone
>they don't die because gear diff
yeah this shit is dead in 2 months. How have devs not noticed that extraction shooters like Hunt are successful because sure gear can give you an advantage, but there's always an underlying skill based mechanic that wins fights.

PVPVE almost NEVER works.
It never worked in MMOs and it will never work for extraction shooters.

>>723521563 (OP)
Looks like PVP Extraction Shooter #4526 now.
You get shot by a guy "Somewhere else" or "Around a corner" and die in like 2 seconds.

Invariably, it'll be infested with people cheating.
I think it's even planning on having a cash shop.

>>723529613
Shut the fuck up or else I'm going to cum all over your slutty face you twink faggot. Sit down.

>>723529520
>it never works unless you ignore all the games that people play where it works
shut up retard

the game plays well, but home base feels like a webpage and the character/gun designs are nugaming concord-esque translop

i wish they'd somehow signal what im workign towards (will be, after release). because im dressed like a hobo and using zipguns with no frame of reference

>>723529697
>all the games that people play where it works
Name 3.

>>723525159
>Hunt Down-payment

>>723529461
Ok TLDR, it's like Tarkov but free but also QoL filled unlike Tarkov
Long story, I tried it out of curiosity and was impressed by it. It has gun autism if you're into that, but also meaningful equipment and loot. But the most important thing is that it knows what it wants to be, and plays very very well. It's a smooth experience. Shooting feels excellent, runs great and looks great even though it's UEngine again, and each mechanic is very refined up to this point (because it took from Tarkov and others and refined them)

If you're into extraction shooters yeah, it might be the second best aside Tarkov, or the very best rn if you're already sick of Tarkov or don't want to pay money to the ruskie scammer

Oh and the fact that the maps are compact. They're just the right size. You will hear other teams and you will have to listen to footsteps all the time, people could always be around the corner. It's balanced around having action each round, be other players or the NPCs. And 4 man squad size for good shootouts.

>>723529613
>Extraction Shooter #4526
ok smartass name 4525 of them

>>723529724
nta but are you suggesting shit like hunt and tarkov were failed experiments?

Extraction shooters never made any sense to me.

It only appeals to autistic people who want to admire their gun collections and all the accessories that comes with it.
And adding PVP to extraction shooters just turns it into a gankfest, virtually no groups help each other and shoot each other on sight or run away at first sight.

The only PVP I'll tolerate in an extraction shooter is perhaps a versus mode in the vein of L4D where you play as enemy NPCs, maybe.

>>723529468
Are they still doing the old DICE behavior of making weird changes that some small group of players complained about?

oh it's fortnite copy. I thought it was an actual new game. Heard someone say it's dayz for zoomers but you zoomers wouldn't survive 10 minutes in dayz
Also very very shitty game from a tech perspective. No phsyics in the world whatsoever, evetyhing is static like in a 2005 game. No distruction what-so-ever. So the world is basically non-dynamic, boring setpiece, if devs don't care neither do I.
I'm to fucked to play viideogames i just can't man who makes these fucking asset flips pieces of shit games. I'm a zoomer but I'm too old for modern videogames.
Who plays this? Can someone explain what exactly I was supposed to be impressed by in this game? All the fucking plant pots in this game are... STATIC. They're WIELDED TO THE GROUND. Nigga its a POT in a videogame you see it, you shoot it, it EXPLODES, or breaks. IT'S VIDEOGAME LOGIC 101 YOU DUMBASSES. WHO MAKES THIS FUCKING SLOP SHIT. THE FUCKING ANIMATIONS DON'T MAKE SENSE HE JUST JERKS THE GUN AROUND LIKE IT'S A 2001 GAME .

>>723529928
>no groups help each other and shoot each other on sight or run away at first sight
skill issue. it's really easy to pull off if you arent an autistic fag

>>723529956
The Finals had a lot of weird changes but it seemed to be just them not having any real concrete idea of what they wanted the game to be.

>>723529831
Escape from Tarkov
Hunt: Showdown
The Cycle: Frontier
Marauders
Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six Extraction
Level Zero: Extraction
Gray Zone Warfare
Arena Breakout: Infinite
Incursion: Red River
ZERO Sievert
Convergence
Gate of Torment
Skyward Extraction
Shell Runner - Prelude
No Escape from Madness
Hell Is Others
Seekers of Skyveil
Arena Breakout
Cosmos Point
The Day Before
Marathon
SULFUR

>>723530049
>but it seemed to be just them not having any real concrete idea of what they wanted the game to be.
I guess old habits die hard.

>>723527298
The downed animation looks almost exactly like the one from The Division 1.

>>723529869
Tarkov? In 2025? Yeah, I'd say it's failed.

>>723530181
honestly 12k is better than i expected and somewhat lively

>>723528313
I'm in the discord and those swedish loving fags are saying it's "optimized so well" when im constantly getting random frame drops on normal hardware.

Wait is this another one of those games where youre forced into some 3-man squad or whatever and have to play with randos?

Since I got into alpha or playtest or something, but will flush it immediately if thats the case, i thought this was a normal game u can play solo

>>723529461
>Gimme a quick rundown on the chinkslop extraction shooter.
They copy and pasted Tarkov

>>723530061
that's a good start even though half of those are definitively not extraction shooters but you've got a long ways to go still

>>723530151
>no argument
sick, thanks for wasting 7 seconds of my time

>>723528339
I think there's 3 open to use, you can use them as many times as you want, once people extract they open again. They do however disable permenantly after a certain time has expired into the round which seems random.

But there's like 4-5 hatches you can use to sneak out but they require keys to use, right now the keys cos 9k to buy which would be hard to salvage in one run, or some unknown amount of mats to craft when the full game launches.

>>723529040
Gunfire can be heard for miles and there's loud audio cues for damn near everything, also when someone dies a flare goes up, if you're near you can risk either looting the corpse or facing the killer

>>723529520
pvpve in T&L is the biggest clusterfuck of shit ever fucking martsharted out of a lactose intolerant cheeseburger eating burgerboi. Whoever thought it was a good idea should have their fingernails pulled out with pliars.

>>723530330
i think the full game has solo queue
they stripped a lot out for this stress test

>>723521563 (OP)
considering the PvE part of this game is aids, I'd say yeah. My biggest gripe is that half of the other "players" are fucking AI bots

goofy concord characters

>>723530330
You can play solo retard just turn off party fill

>AI are just ammo sponges
>don't drop any ammo
>flare letting everyone the fights over
>extractions are loud and take ages to open
This game just does everything in it's power to promote being a rat. There's no reason to be the one actually clearing ad looting.

>>723531650
this game is designed for streamers to camp the extraction point killing poor people with shitty loot about to extract

>less than 24 hours since launch
>Aus server is already a hive of teaming chinks

>>723531763
just use the same skins as them and have a chink name
then molotov all of them

you can tell the genre is slavic because the gameplay loop requires suffering

>>723522065
You take that back

>>723526170
Problem of games like this is you're punished for playing solo and in the end you're ended up have to go to PvP sooner or later. I prefer games with co-op only like division because pvp is cancer and basically every try hard will cheat for a chance to own other players

>>723531946
That's racist.

>>723531558
Yeah but that puts you in games vs squads, doesnt it

>>723521563 (OP)
hell no this would be a lot bigger if it was pve with a vs mode

>>723521563 (OP)
>First real round
>Use free kit since I am learning
>Forced to take on a pair drones because I spawned literally in their aggro range.
>Focus a single drone the whole time
>Never miss a shot
>It doesn't die
>Have to reload constantly because the gun holds so little ammo
>Kiting the entire time
>Die like a bitch
Wow. I felt that same silly feeling that I did when I died to the starting rat in Daggerfall. Lesson learned.

>>723525225
>>723525505
>>723525603
I get the same vibes as these guys

>>723521563 (OP)
post more webms you fags i want to see if its worth buying

>>723522923
>>723523009
I am also feeling this. I cannot tell if it is due to the lack of progression, single map, or balance changes from TT2. I've had some tense moments, and I do find it fun, and I've even met friendly raiders in the field, so I don't know.

>>723532919
it's literally an average extraction shooter but third-person. there's nothing particularly stand out about it.

>>723532537
This.
I like PVP, but fuck me, extraction shooters where I spend half of a 30 minute match searching containers and maybe running into 2 other people are boring as fuck. Also, I have not seen a single one of those big fuckhuge spider mechs that actually looked fun to fight in the reveal trailer.

>>723531736
This. Thats the game. It's for le epic streamer moments where they camp in third person and blow up someone instantly as they run past.

If they pivoted because the Looter shooter wasn't fun: Yes
If they pivoted to chase trends: No
Because we're really lacking in looter shooters. The Division, Destiny (lol), Borderlands (lmao even) and Warframe.

Why the fuck is this subgenre dead?

>could have had cool robot survival co op game
>instead get absolute dogshit camping pvp game

I think nexon may have forced them to develop it into an extraction shooter.

>>723533293
>Why the fuck is this subgenre dead?
Because it's not particularly good. There have been other looter shooters, they just don't last long because the genre just isn't that fun. It's usually novel for a bit, then it becomes boring once you've seen everything the games have to offer after 6 or so hours and start running into the repeated content.

is it really just robots and players? there aren't any humanoid ai enemies?

>do naked runs
>run up behind guy who looted a bunch of stuff and hit him with my hammer
>take his stuff and extract in his place

I've done this 3 times now. I believe that footstep sounds are not working properly in this game, because I just sprint up to people and whack them and they showed no indication that they knew I was coming.

Also, this game will be dead in less than a month after launch. There are too many maps and modes, which means a far too fragmented community. Combine that with the abusive gameplay loop and 3rd person perspective camping in an extraction shooter, and you have a recipe for a swift disaster.

I'm sure the game is more fun "with friends", and is clearly designed for your partner to revive you since you crawl around moaning in pain for literal minutes, but solo its just miserable and dumb trash sorting.

>>723533293
Nothing but The Divison got it right for me really. Its a shame because its either this or the 1 button ARPG mines.

Queuing up with my entire networth

>>723530136
they took a lot of inspiration from it. Take a guess where the distress flares came from :>)

>>723529972
average IGN reviewer

apparently the robots all have a 'head' that is a weak spot, its just different based on what type of robot it is

tl;dr stop shooting the white armor plates, they actually reduce damage

>>723534679
it's crazy how retarded people are when they come to the robots. shooting them with light ammo or hitting the body instead of blowing off wings or doing shit like trying to melee the guys who shoot flames at you.

is it uh fun solo

What do the field crates do?

>>723533946
3rd person perspective camping is actually not that big of a deal because it works both ways. Imagine scenario A: rat is hiding in the ceiling near extraction, player checks his corners and scopes rat, rat dies or its a 50/50. In Scenario B with first person view: Rat hides in ceiling near extract, player checks corners by swinging around, and gets domed by rat because player had to swing corners to see.

>>723526556
>This soft, LGBT-friendly character design will be PERFECT for our toxic competitive pvpve extraction shooter

>>723535074
Solos the most fun way to play. You get in lobbies with other solos and solos are way more likely to be chill or avoid fighting. A lot of the time solos also let you group up with them if you use your mic or emotes.

>>723533293
Warframe is not a looter shooter.

>>723535290
I have been playing all day. I have had so many more tf2 tier friendly interactions than shoot on sight moments. It's a very odd space. I will continue being friendly.

>>723535087
Take them to a field depot (makeshift arch-shaped building) and plug them into the machine there and it'll eat the crate and let you grab the loot that was inside it from the receptacle nearby. Some of those buildings don't have the machine though so watch out for that. Also field depots don't get marked on your map unless you're near one, so if you find a crate it's best to look up the nearest one on a map database site.

>>723533946
So you're the one killing alll the deaf and blind anons in this thread complaining about extraction camping

>4k
>EVERYTHING on epic
>runs like a dream
Jesus

>call elevator
>theres multiple people camping it
wow who could have predicted this gameplay loop

>>723535542
I'm honestly not surprised content creators have been saying since the TTs that raider hatch keys are the meta as soon as you can start regularly affording/crafting them.

its so fucking loud man the fuck why is this game so FUCKING LOUD EVEN AT 30% MASTER

>>723535542
Not me, after playing for hours and not encountering it once. Seems like this is a shithole server problem, have you tried eradicating your race for the good of humanity?

How long until this game goes f2p?

Whats the meta

>>723522751
This happened to me as I was engaging with the terminal in the extract. Get downed and thrown out and watch the doors close on me

is this game ue5?

>>723535635
>have you tried eradicating your race for the good of humanity
how would you benefit from there being no white people, diego?

>>723521563 (OP)
I do not like extraction shooters and I especially despise PVP extraction shooters.

The premise is cool, it runs extremely well and feels fun

Why could this not have been a singleplayer game honestly

>>723533293
>If they pivoted because the Looter shooter wasn't fun: Yes
yeah, they said this is the reason why they pivoted.
throwing PVP into the mix was a good decision, it means with these huge bosses they made like the queen require coordinating with people who can turn on each other at any time and that sort of tensions cool and it also means you actually have to fucking talk to people in a multiplayer video game.
also since you have to coordinate with random teams or solos to fight these huge boss arcs it also means you will be fighting the bosses with people who don't have min maxed meta gear specifically to kill bosses which will keep them all difficult. you won't get shit like an mmo raid where people get kicked out for not having the right ilevel and you hand pick the best team to steam roll it making the bosses get drastically easier over time to just farm drops from.
seeing a group of 20 dudes take down a raid boss in wow is whatever, but seeing a group of 20 solos who all banded together to take down the queen like you would see in the previous tests is 1000% times fucking cooler.

This menu reminds me a lot of freelancer

will the age of fomo and friendslop ever end

>>723535074
I've only played solo so far and yeah, I think it's great. I don't think it puts solos against teams, as I've yet to see a single team after playing all day.

>>723535964
The friendslop era IS over, we've devolved into acquaintance garbage.

>>723536007
wait... what's the difference?

>>723536049
It's like friendslop, but it's not even fun WITH friends. Hence, acquaintance garbage.

>>723536103
Anon stop inventing new terms if you don't have a phd

>>723535542
this is the reason I've dropped GZW, but it was even worse there. you would get camped going in and out of missions.

>>723535964
anon, yours solos lobbies?

this should have been a sp game
runs extremely well tho

>>723529520
it doesn't work in mmorpgs because mmorpgs are inherently dogshit pvp games

>>723532821
i assume you just shot the body the entire time instead of shooting their weakpoints which are the rotors

>>723536630
Ya got me.

>>723529520
Yeah this should have been a pve thing with buddies

>>723524556
post more panda butt

>>723526238
Does buying headphones and a monitor these days require you to prove how many twitch subscribers you have or something?

>>723535829
We need the GaaS money saar please understand saar
(And so, game dies a year later and a new GaaS is planned )

Does anybody know what to do with the canisters inside the harvester?

>>723537016
I guess? Shame though this and the finals are the only UE5 games than run this well

how'd your first round go?
>decide to go naked
>run around looting cars for a bit
>run into some guy
>we hop at each other in peace
>go down to a lower area and lose half my health trying to melee a spider
>start up the elevator
>the guy from before comes and shoots the bot that starts flying around
>i go in and wait for him to get in before I start the descent
oddly peaceful. might be because it's the noob map

Where can I see something that tells me what Arc Raiders was supposed to be before becoming Tarkov?

Game is visually really aesthetic

>>723537236
Right? It looks cool, the whole machines took over isn't new but the designs are neat

>>723537078
In the last test it was something like
>canisters on the floor or in the little cubbies you have to pry open on the second floor
>press the button in the center
>canister holders will come out of the floor for you to put the canisters in
>lights on the wall glow and you shoot them all within the time limit
>unequip your shield for the electrical pulse but run out of the harvester when the fire comes up
>something something
>press the button in the center and containers come out full of fat high tier loot

>>723537236
Noclip is doing an entire documentary on why the game took so long to make and why it changed genres, that will come out after the game is released. The production value is crazy.

>>723537380
Is there ever gonna be a pve only mode coming? Separate from pvpe shit

About to give it a go, I don't really like extraction games but I do quite enjoy 3rd person games. This developer makes a point to mention that they like to support Linux users and ensure their games always work on Proton so that is a huge plus to me.

>>723521563 (OP)
No, because I don't play multiplayer fps with how many hacks are about these days. Region-lock china and we can talk.

WHY IS EVERYTHING SO FUCKING LOOOOOOOUD

Well. I'm sold on it. I will check out The Finals while I wait for the game actually launch. How is it doing? Any cursed decisions besides typical dei/woke complaints? Is the player base hyper skilled at it, so much so that new players just get stomped with no chance at a win?

>>723537519
fine
performance issues on the latest map
yes extremely because fps

>>723537554
fair enough. Thanks. I'll give it a roll.

>>723537409
Play solo and when you see someone press Q and select the "want to team up?" emote or just use voice chat if you're not an autist.

>>723537743
The people i've come across all shoot on sight, not a single second to emote at all

>>723537762
>>723535372
The duality of man

>>723537843
I think it's a Brazil thing; because real life Brazil is a free fire zone, the ones that game trying to cooperate

Why can't I be a cool robot dude like that one NPC? The player models fucking suck.

Is Forever Winter still total shit to play?

>>723537905
Nah i'm EU
>>723537843
I might change the region and see how it's going

>>723535372
this was US btw

>>723535746
Yeah, the asian chick is the only passable one.

>>723538220
went with bald old man but the suits are all super feminine

>>723521563 (OP)
DOA.

>>723537357
Oh shit, all I could figure was that the canisters needed to go in the chambers, but didn't notice a button or lights. They kept spitting them back out at us so it seemed like we were missing something. Thanks for the info.

Idk but it's super fun

why is this the only dev who can make UE5 run great?

>>723537102
how the fuck do you agree to peace in a pvp game
whenever i try to act non aggressively i get shot in the face

>>723525159
Hunt is not the same game it was in 2019. Hell, it's not the same game it was in 2023. What a fucking embarrassing example.

>>723537951
Yes, floaty, weird AI, visually beautiful though

>>723538390
What AI did you use for this?

>>723538459
I say
>friendly
and if they don't respond with their mic or the don't shoot voice line I light them up

>>723538676
I used a WAN Gui from Pinokio

>>723521563 (OP)
The movement/combat/bots/sound/graphics are all top notch and the game has great aesthetics.

But it being ANOTHER pvevp looter extractor is just boring. I did four games. In two of them I had two great teams and we wiped the floor on the other players. In the other two, we got obliterated without even firing back. It just isn't engaging at all.

Its sad because this game is clearly got fantastic PvE potential and its ruined by forced PvP.

>>723538390
Damn, Ben Shapiro is in this game?

>>723538942
they shouldnt have pivoted away from pve to what its now
yet they did

>>723525103
>>723525159
HD2 is mostly a console game. Daily has 100k players and on major updates 300k.

What a shit example to try and prove a point you posted the ONE pve game that is killing it.

>>723538878
arrigato, anon-san

>>723538993
Devs love killing their own products

Where do you get mechanical components? I love my sexy revolver but I can't repair the damn thing

>>723539231
I think when you hover over materials, it has "can be found in", right? You can match that with the tags for landmarks on your map, i.e. mechanical items at mechanical locations, medical at medical, you get the idea.

If the game had some butt ugly aliens named glupshitto it'd just be a starwars game set on one of the shithole planets.
thats all nasapunk actually means
starwars without the aliens

>Drones are a serious threat
>Fantastic design and combat features with wounding
>Slapped this into a forced PvP game
The self sabotage is sad. This sort of PvE talent is rare and they're wasting it on an extraction shooter.

>>723539593
>thats all nasapunk actually means
>starwars without the aliens

>>723537743
can you actually join a squad together that way? or just follow each other around?

also how do I see player names / track friendlies? I only see 'interacted with' player names on the profile and its everyone who was in the last match

>could've been third-person shooter Monster Hunter but with fuck-huge robots

Never forget what they took from you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuftkDxjGT4

>>723539647
I think they should make separate modes for pvpve and pure pve
Like default outings are during calm moments on the planet and so tensions are low and only heckin nice chungus raiders go on surface
And then you can choose to go out during storms/other events where things are tense so shoot on sight is the default

>>723539647
Pretty sad since the cutscenes really look like their singleplayer game idea was a lot more fleshed out than the game we're getting now

>>723535829
>Why could this not have been a singleplayer game honestly
Nexon said "Turn this game into an extraction shooter, because we say so."
and then they did

>>723539859
>Nexon
Fuck nexon and all alike jesus christ

>>723535657
Day 1 gamepass, gauranteed. F2P Within 2 months. EOS within 1.5 years.

>>723539689
I'm right.

>>723539939
nah its star trek

>>723538820
what voice line?
you can public voice line?

>>723537236
It started out as some sort of co-op looter shooter. Deep into development Nexon demanded they turn it into a pvp extraction shooter after playtesters were saying it wasn't fun or engaging.

>>723535372
it really just depends, i played the beta the had last and a 4 stack let me tag along with them and we even picked up two more people on the way, we then ran into two people who decided they wer going to take on six people so we all just melted them

uninstalled already

>>723539647
The PvE portion of the game was almost entirely finished, including all the plot and quests and etc. They did several round of playtesting and asian markets hated it, so Nexon hung an axe over the project and demanded the primary mode become extraction shooter.

So Embark created the most generic extraction shooter possible with the content they already had.

>>723539806
WHY CANT WE HAVE THIS?
WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THIS?
WHY CANT WE HAVE THIS?
WHY DID THEY TAKE THIS FROM US?
WHY CANT WE HAVE THIS?
WHY DO WE HAVE SHITTY EXTRACTION SHOOTER???? WHY ??? WHY NOT THIS?

WHY NOT THIS??? WHY NOT THIS?

>>723540081
>asian markets hated it
of fucking course
all they play is gacha bing bing shit god damnit

this game couldve been a fresh new game but nooooo lets turn it into a mtx extraction shit shooter

hopefully this shit dies within 3 weeks

>>723540012
>>723540081
I was about to complain about pvpers in pve games, but if this has to do with asia, this runs deeper than I thought.

>>723539806
What the fuck? This looks sick, why couldn't we have had this game

>have to wait for items to slowly appear after spending 15 seconds to crack open a container
Why

>>723540170
jej

>>723540081
>They did several round of playtesting and asian markets hated it
Alright so because the koreans and chinks didn't like it now it's gonna double fail even faster. Great. Fucking swedes can't do anything right.

>>723540221
dayz

I played it a bit with friends and had a strange liminal kind of fun, extraction shooters feel like an inside joke I just don't get but still make me intrigued.
Maybe it's the lack of a proper start and end of match you normally have in a typical pvp game, things are just there happening.

>>723540170
the age of extraction shooters is long gone too

If you go on their discord or reddit it's literally filled with mid to late stage toxic positivity. Where it's almost denying reality before a game fucking dies.

>>723540395
i hope it crashes

>>723521563 (OP)
Its hard to actually get into the game since looting is currently pointless with all the higher tier crafting being locked

>>723540263
>Fucking swedes can't do anything right.
Nexon is majority owner of Embark studios, so they have a large say in the direction they go with their games.
Arc Raiders will be a famous example of Nexon destroying something made with a western market in mind, to try and appeal to their asian market focus.

It just won't work.

>>723540513
This game is already fucking cooked man. You have a mouthbreather who most likely isn't actually playing the game at all and never will telling someone that tarkov is dying because of the fucking pve mode. As if the game isn't practically dying due to a myriad of other issues and fuck ups

>>723540606
christ almight discord was a mistake

>>723540527
just sell everything you find and buy 500 frag grenades then spam them at people in game

>Wallhacks and aimbots are already on the loose
Great

>>723540687
just like the finals, Embark(Nexon)'s other flop!

>>723540627
This game is fucking done for. Dead. This shit right here is a fucking problem that has already turned into an uncurable disease. Also just got muted for calling the guy a fucking dumbass.

I hate Nexon so much it's unreal.

>>723539829
pvp players will always bitch so much louder than any pve player some of them are still seething about tarkov now having a pve mode even though it's a dlc addon

>>723540306
it never really existed in the first place it was just everyone trying to cash in before tarkov actually came out

i was thinking about buying this game but after playing for two hours i realized that every moron praising this game on youtube is a paid shill
game is shallow as fuck

>>723540809
Is this your schizophrenia sir?

>>723541012
No, I got muted for calling the guy a fucking dumbass several times that guys a retard

>>723539806
>monster hunter
It was a pve hero shooter before.

>>723540606
pvp niggas are funny because they just refuse to admit they they just want to run over people who aren't as good as them

>>723540843
Only gacha money keeps them afloat

>>723541150
The problem is retards like him are literally the dumbasses who had meltdowns over pve in the tarkov subreddit. Meaning we are witnessing a transplant of literal retardation from one community to the other.

>>723530181
This is actually good unlike arc raiders.

>>723521563 (OP)
The guns are absolute SHIT and the UI is soulless. I tried so hard to like this game since I love The Finals

>>723540606
The marek guy he's responding to either didn't play this play test or the last one. Arcs have been buffed the fuck up and are a lot more deadlier than last time.

>>723541225
the finals was good but every single update since beta has been a nerf in some way and everything feels neutered, the devs cater exclusively to the biggest crybabies
arc will probably be even more autistic and no-fun-allowed if the discord is any indication

>>723541358
who should they listen to instead? this threads filled with cry babies having a temper tantrum wanting it to be a carebear pve game.

>>723539806
this could have been the new payday. stealth or loud vs increasingly lethal bots.

>>723541483
Spotted the crybaby pvper with a megaphone.

>>723540298
I think it's a great concept. Obviously everyone knows that not every player is in the same server, but it gives the impression of jumping in and out of a persistent world if you suspend disbelief. You're right that there's no "winner". You're doing everything either for the fun of fighting or the grind, the genre more MMO than FPS in that regard.

The genre is inherently flawed though. The whole necessity of wipes in other games shows how unsolved the genre is, if it even can be solved. But I'm interested to see if how this game's attempt works out.

>>723535895
Except that is not how it will go down. People will either try to queue in the same map with 2-3 teams coordinated with outside comms or kill everyone on the map and then engage the boss. Nobody will ever trust randos to do big bosses on the spot.

>>723540009
the emote wheel has some useful ones like don't shoot and team up

If I want to play some shitty gook extraction game I'll just stick with Dark and Darker

>>723541937
is the emote wheel proximity always?

>>723539806
Funny how Hunt did the same thing but it actually worked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TLSJ0I8BrE

Played the server slam and it's the most generic extraction shooter I've seen. Can't believe Marathon actually has a chance.

>>723542039
wait i'm thinking of the ping wheel
theres an emote wheel?

>>723542062
>Can't believe Marathon actually has a chance.
All of Bungie's management do not play video games. Marathon was designed in a board room filled with execs using spreadsheets and market analytics.

Marathon has much of a chance to live as an aborted fetus.

>>723542072
G if you're on PC.

>spawn
>loot some useless shit
>get killed by some random with better useless shit on him
Yeah I can't see this being fun. I'd rather play Arma mods instead.

>>723542326
>better useless shit on him
You got outplayed, go cry about it on their discord like all the other faggots.

>>723542281
gentleman and a scholar

>>723538459
i had no weapon out and walked straight at him in the open. it's pretty obvious when you aren't trying to attack someone if you're making 0 tactical choices

Wow, this game is underwhelming. Excluding Tarkov, what's the best extraction shooter on the market? Arena Breakout?

literally the best thing about this game is runs gud and looks gud for it's performance cost. scales up and down hardware really well. this might get popular by virtue of performance alone

Just played a bit. Got bored after a while.
What kind of person does one have to be to enjoy extraction shooters?

>>723542937
marathon

>>723543149
loot goblins

>>723542062
>Can't believe Marathon actually has a chance.
It won't. It's going to flop as well.
Face it anons, Tarkov might be broken as fuck duct-taped together slavjank on the best of days but BSG are the only ones in the space who actually seem to have a clue what makes for an engrossing experience.

>>723543451
Explain to me why the scavs keep removing the SKS rear sight? Isn't it the only thing keeping the gas tube on?

>>723543451
I think Tarkov is a like a WoW situation. It's not that it's good or engrossing, it's just the first to really bring the genre into the spotlight combined with years of sunken cost.

>>723521563 (OP)
This game is GOTY is a surefire pleb/scrub filter

>>723543451
Enemies in arc raiders are actually fun to fight though.

>>723543149
A man
I'm glad your bottom surgery went well though!

>>723543149
I definitely don't love the genre but I was loving this one today.

>>723543451
I saw Tarkov is coming to steam, is it even worth it at this stage? Will I just be raped and gaped by the vets?

>spawn in right outside bio dome things in swamp
>we're immediately being hounded by wasps and multiple of us run out of ammo
>I die because I try to melee a fireball thinking its the explody kind
>get picked up
>we down a drone and get more ammo
>use arc cores to reup shields
>find a blue weapon in a crate
>find a hatch key in a random pry open box
>running towards extract and almost get gunned down
>swap to hatch exit and barely escape with the enemy squad on our ass
I'm having FUN

>>723543694
Damn bro you're that insecure no one likes your game huh?

>>723543738
Its definitely got that polish, which all things considered I really appreciate them for going for.
Maybe I'll get my friend to play with me but I don't find myself playing this solo anytime soon.

>>723543825
That's just hope everyone on /v/ talks. If I don't like you you're either brown and or a tranny.

>>723543543
doesn't it retain at the front of the block?
>>723543570
good in terms of lighting or performance? no, but the gunplay, map design, auxillary systems like the hideout and quests are all done from pretty well to absolutely amazing
>inb4 someone whines about a given quest
Basically any quest that isn't a bolt-action quest is at worst a bit tedious but the vast majority force you into situations that you wouldn't bother with otherwise which stops everyone from going murderhobo visiting the same three locations. Compare that to Hunt/ABI/Delta Force where everyone does the exact same shit every raid and it's night and day
>>723543749
there's most likely going to be a second wind of a shittonne of timmies coming in with 1.0 and filling up lobbies, you should be fine anon. at worst you can always just try the PvE mode and see if you like it, move back to PvP if you find yourself bored fighting bots

>>723543873
I hope you grow up eventually. At least for your parent's sake.

Can someone QRD me on how to play this fucking game?
The matches take up to 30 minutes but my inventory is full of random green/blue junk within ten minutes and I already have finished my mission/quest/whatever, does that mean it's already fine and safe to leave despite barely having done anything?

>>723543889
That's a fair point, I'll probably check it out when it drops.

>>723543992
You go in, either get loot or complete whatever mission you have, then get out. You don't just sit there for the whole 30 minutes.

if you're knocked out in the elevator room do you get extracted?
i managed so team up with a random but they got downed in the elevator room while i was pushing the button to extract and i was hoping they were ok

>>723544094
Yes, everyone in the elevator as long as they're not full dead, gets extracted

>>723544141
awesome thanks

>>723543182
im a 3k hour tarkov loot goblin and arc raiders sucks ass. half the fun of being a loot goblin is looting, the other half is market pvp.

auction houses/markets are an essential ingredient of extraction shooters (since they are basically mmos). every extraction shooter without one has failed.

>>723543451
>what makes for an engrossing experience.
player driven economy. it allows freedom of any playstyle to sustain itself without being forced to waste time playing the game in a way they dont want to. as much as i wanted to like cycle frontier, being forced to drop into a match because im missing a crafting material while sitting on 5 million credits was fucking dumb. arc raiders is making the same mistake.

can you revive downed randoms not in your squad?

>>723521563 (OP)
>>723527298
this shit is so generic, I didnt even know this game released

>>723543149
Gamblers and the unemployed

>>723544204
I want them to make it more mmo like. I want to be able to drop in to speranza and go to an auction house where I can hear prox chat guys screaming "SELLING PURPLE GIZMOS 1000 CREDITS" all day long.
An extraction shooter that adds the fun of seeing the guy who ganked you in wildy selling your shit right infront of you 10 minutes later would be amazing.

>>723544204
how hard is it to get into something like tarkov where i'm up against people with 3k hours

>>723544378
Wasn't there some super shitty extraction shooter or day z game mod that had an open hub where you could hawk wares? I vaguely remember this from a General Sam video years ago.

>>723532537
No it wouldn't. And player numbers would also shrink much faster with only PvE.

Everyone was talking about this shit so I caved.
>download demo
>just sign this or you can't play :^)
>fine
>now make an account
>uninstalled
Yeah, fuck that. If I buy shit on steam, I won't be making your 3rd party account.

>>723544443
will take you 3k hours

>>723522065
Boss Baby bros, our response?

>>723544451
i think it was this one...?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM7n25GZDkE

>>723521563 (OP)
>extraction shooter
>3rd person
only if you're cattle you can enjoy this

>>723544474
anon you can't connect to our servers if you don't make an account in our game... I'm sorry this happened to you but our hands are tied.

>>723544585
That was it yeah, that should be more of a thing.

I tried really hard to like this game. I love The Finals and PvP with proximity chat, but man is this just not it.
> All the guns feel absolutely awful
>robots are bullet sponges
>The UI is extremely soulless
>Needs team size matchmaking
>Decrease the invincibility window when down. It is ridiculous to win a fight then watch them crawl and extract not being able to do anything.
>Most deployables are useless. Has a smoke grenade helped anyone ever? They're so small and short.
>Looting feels pointless with no market
> All the characters and designs are hideous and ridiculous, but thats an Embark staple so I'm willing to look past it

>>723544742
Funny how other games let me connect with the steam account.

>>723544814
they actually just use your steam account details to make an account on their end
embark for some reason doesn't do this and it acts as a massive barrier of entry

>>723544474
all they were asking for was a username, just like any other online game. they didnt ask for an email, or password, you didnt have to open a web browser.

>>723544814
It's an investor thing, that's all. They need numbers on their platforms
I agree it's retarded though, since they can break/go down/lock your account for no reason at any time and steal your money

Hope you enjoy it bros, I simply cannot stand pvp in extraction shooters. I vastly prefer Helldivers 2, and just bought the forever winter to see how it plays out.

>>723521563 (OP)
one of the worst games I have ever played.

>>723537519
The major issue with the finals is mainly the busted SBMM and the main mode being too obtuse.

>>723540081
>Nexon
That fucking explains EVERYTHING

>>723539806
>Eight men going up against a pack of drones
This is tragic. This looks amazing.

>>723537519
>How is it doing?
Hanging there, somehow
>Any cursed decisions besides typical dei/woke complaints?
Retarded balancing and still not fixing the spawn logic on tournament modes
>Is the player base hyper skilled at it, so much so that new players just get stomped with no chance at a win?
If you play mostly quick trash modes, not really.

>>723544792
>robots are bullet sponges
You don't know shit about the game and this just proves it.

>>723521563 (OP)
>Spent 15 minutes looking for random garbage inside of containers
>Run to exit
>Kill two dudes near the exit
>Another dude appears and kills me when I'm about to leave

I feel like this game is gonna be all about camping the exits and I don't like that

Its like a Turban shaped pile of shit has been placed on the heads of all The Finals fans.
The third world dev team clearly drew inspiration from their times throwing rocks at alibaba drones

>>723546097
nta but any robot enemy past wasps or similar has reinforced rotors that still take a retarded ammount of bullets to down

>>723546149
>NOOO DON'T PLAY EFFICIENTLY
lmao cry more

>>723546179
>Its like a Turban shaped pile of shit has been placed on the heads of all The Finals fans.
The Finals is a turban shaped pile of shit. I expect no less from Embark

>>723546182
No you can do that if you want, the problem is that that's the efficient way to play

Why do they keep toting crafting as a big marketing point when at best you'll make a bandage or power cell.

>>723543149
Genuinely its for people who want to ruin others experiences.

This is no different from any other type of PvP game. When you kill a player, you're taking their joy to give yourself some. Extraction shooters take this to the ultimate extreme which is not only do I get to kill you knowing I won, but I also get all your shit and cause maximum pain to you.

>>723546181
Use heavy ammo, you know, the ammo type meant for taking down robots. You can one tap most parts with the anvil.
Also the bot with armored rotors are only armored in the front.

>>723544792
They're robots. They also have weak points that mess them up badly. Taking out an engine for examples fucks them.

>another fake "extraction" game

>literally just another battle royale game except you pick up trash

>>723546297
extraction shooters just seem like the ultimate chore. You go to point A, grab whatever you need to do your quest and then try to fuck off before someone decides to rape you for lulz

>>723546364
Tarkov is still, literally, like no joke, the only real extraction shooter on the market.

>>723546275
you can craft all the weapons, ammo and armor in the game. plus all the other shit like grenades, zip lines and grappling hooks.

So, what's the catch

What's the money making trick

>>723545039
forever winter is extremely underrated, i've been hooked to it for 2 months

The worst part is that loot is boring

do we keep anything from this playtest?

>>723546391
Chore for those who want some sort of engaging PvE content. Joy for those who want to camp extraction points and head shot someone and take all their stuff.

Personally I think anyone who likes shit like this or games like Conan/Dune where you lost everything on death should be put in mental asylums but I guess purgatory playing these god awful games is good enough.

>>723546538
i've been wanting to get it, but for a while the steam reviews have been concerning. what's up with it?

>>723546602
just some shitty backpack

>>723546391
>>723546615
these are friendsloppa games. When you work in a squad it's a lot more fun

Game is pretty fun. Character designs are just ugly as all fuck. Would have been horrific if it was just pve.

>>723546480
Do you mean for monetization? It's just like their other game The Finals where they sell cosmetics, but this time the game has a 40 buy in.

>>723521563 (OP)
>extraction shooter
>third person
lel, sign of shit game
>lmao lets peak around corners with my overshoulder camera drone
kek also holy the style of this game sucks ass, reminds me of starfield

>>723546642
you have to ignore any steam reviews mentioning the water system, it has been fixed for almost an year. the game gets a significant patch every month, last one being the addition of tunnels connecting every location.

The shooting is fun and the movement is decent but I don't really like this "extraction shooter" genre much like I don't enjoy BRs. Too much downtime and time commitment for no respawns. I can see why it'd be popular with streamers since you spend 80% of it doing nothing

>>723546673
No friend games can be anything this is purely sadism

new weapon idea:

A taser-like one shot weapon, if it hits one of the lower level drones it should momentarily work for you but it'll be slower.

>>723546724
3rd person completely kills any tension in the game, I played 6 hours and felt nothing.

>>723546480
The Finals, even with it's issues, is probably the most free game you can play. Nothing that changes or increases gameplay is tied to real money and they make their money from (incredibly overpriced) skins (some of which you can't even buy with premium currency either, only straight cash).

Arc not only copies the skin shop but it's also a buy in game where the admission is 40 bucks just to play. The betas also had that Helldivers 2 battlepass thing going on but idk how they'll manage that.

raped 3 dumb idiots and extracted like a god

>>723546959
w-what did those 3 dumb idiots look like
was there a leaper

>>723546923
>$40 + skin shop + battlepass

My biggest issues
>shield system, meaning 1v3 is basically impossible unless you heavily outgear.
It takes too long to heal up and recoup even with a shield recharger plus everyone takes a bit too many shots to realistically do a 1v3. Game feels like you have no "comeback" potential if someone gets the jump and isn't super far
>Free loadouts have no cooldown
Might be unpopular but I think its super lame that people can essentially nonstop run these loadouts, get loot, and have no downsides. They won't win PVP fights, barely have enough ammo for PVE, but I did 3 of these in a row and it was a breeze and I really do wonder why would I ever need to actually bring REAL shit in outside of a quest that tasks me to kill a large ARC unit but I doubt they will have quests solo players can't do.
>Loot is boring
Its futuristic but man the loot is just actual uninteresting junk. In Tarkov its semi-relatable because its modern times and many post-apoc stories obviously set you up for how bartering works, the type of goods at people want etc and it feels nice to build up loot in that game.
>Third Person
This is my #1 complaint but its not changing so non-issue cause atleast the others might get tweaked.

>>723547136
nta but the battle passes are free. you just do missions to get a currency to buy the battle passes and you keep them forever so you don't have to rush them.
also a 40 dollar pay wall to keep out browns is good.

>10 hour thread about a woke game with /v/ genuinely discussing it for nearly 400 posts
I don't even give a shit about this game and I won't play it, but this thread shows me that actually vidya playing /v/ is still alive and well, just hidden amidst the piles of shit

>>723547348
>pays $40 dollars for DEIslop to keep out the browns
good one retard

>Picking Nexon as your publisher
I can't imagine being this stupid, its quite an accomplishment.

>>723544896
It literally asked if I have an account made with embark account if not I would have to make one.

>>723547556
He might be retarded, but not for that point. Having a pricetag on a game by default keeps out most cheaters. Also most of south america and russia.

>>723547707
they made one automatically for me
i literally had to do nothing

is this culling?
how do i turn it off?
view distance didnt affect anything

What's the progression?
Because the biggest drive for tarkov is actually the base building, not the fighting, all the looting and crafting and questing and fighting is actually all in service of building a better hideout and a bigger secure container.

decent haul this time
>Ferro IV

>>723547969
turn on this on in graphics and repost another webm

>valuable item
>its a mixtape
so there ARE items of "intrinsic" value, even if they're trying to make you think a cassette tape is value in a barren wasteland like this

>>723546394
>Tarkov is still, literally, like no joke, the only real extraction shooter on the market.
It's because these retarded devs think they're going to make a big casual extraction shooter like a Fortnite to Tarkov's PUBG.

They all fail to realise the best thing about Tarkov is the tension and atmosphere it produces, games like ARC raiders removes all that.

I've never playing extraction slop before, I'm basically just griefing every round and it's been fun so far.

>>723548680
they did make it. will it be the face of the genre? no. This is some wannabe star wars EL but its got enough EL to be 'one' of them.

I'd say its a good start for them

>>723547192
>Free loadouts have no cooldown
The free loadouts just let you do solo runs to try and scab some loot, but the rattler sucks especially without attachments plus you barely get any ammo and you have no side arm so you aren't going to be killing anything besides a couple of very basic enemies.
The free loadout isn't going to be good outside of the early game where you're to poor to be able to craft basic kits. You're not going to be able to really use them on the higher difficulty maps and you'll get your asshole ripped open whenever you go to buried city.
I see no problem in a guy jumping in solo matches basically defenseless and all he can realistic loot is outskirts sites like apartments for a trash like a spring.

>>723548930
Just use your mic and team-up with other poor people, imagine talking like if the game should play the game for you

>sniper doesn't one shot to the head
aaaand dropped. Add the 3rd person peeking so there's no point in actually pushing this game is fucked.

>>723549007
First person shooters are joyless.

>>723549007
>Sniper
no scope, its just a slug shotgun.

>>723548857
>they made it
no they didn't, this game will be dead in a year like every other extraction shooter that isn't Tarkov or Chinese Tarkov

>shoot anything
>3rd partied and 4th partied and 5th partied and 6th partied and...

cant refund this shit hard enough who the fuck enjoys this

>>723548857
This game won't last 1 month, it offers nothing to anyone. It isn't as good as Tarkov for sadist and it isn't good for PvE because there is no PvE mode.

>>723548032
Hideout in this aswell, not as cool though. You can craft stuff without mobile game timers too

>>723548584
All trinkets are just valuable stuff to sell, rubbery duckys are like 1k

>>723522065
no wonder TF2 went extinct. room temperature IQ players were all that was left

>>723548930
>I see no problem in a guy jumping in solo matches basically defenseless
My issues primarily is how many people in a lobby are going to do this, since this feels like its going to attract a mostly casual audience. If I risk shit with an actual loadout, but half the lobby is just free loadout it feels annoying. Its just free loadout vs free loadout on parts of the map, and if I kill any of them its not like I get useful shit

>>723549035
explain the joy of two players sitting at opposite corners with no way of getting shot waiting for something to happen

>>723549247
doesn't matter, a gun with one shot should kill if it's a headshot. The best moments in Tarkov and Hunt are when you clutch because despite those games having gear there's an underlying skill based mechanic that can win you the fight. There's no such mechanic in Arc. Land as many shots as you want if they have more healing items they win.

>Asian with British accent sells you guns
>a negroid sells you gadgets
>some brown androgynous monstrosity sells you keys
>a dyke sells you junk
ARC raiders would have to be the greatest game ever created for me to ignore this level of DEI, the character creation might be the most abhorrent shit I've ever seen.

>>723549567
>killing loot pinatas that looted the map for you with no armour or weapons is a bad thing
Just git gud

>the real dice
vs
>not real dice

>>723549716
There is no real DICE.

>play 5 game of duos
>ran into a trio every game
not looking good

>>723549716
>gay DICE vs turbo gay DICE

>>723549716
why do people still play pubg
its kinda shit

>>723549668
>pinatas
Full of shitty candy, the average person fills up with junk and leaves based on my squad fills. We go to the nearest big spot and people already want out.

plus its not like you have a ton of options to get around super fast, especially since it fills players in constantly till like 15 minutes left.

>>723549576
>You know, in tarkov...
The great old comparison, leave milsimmy stuff out of scifi robot shooters

>>723549814
There's some tournament going on right now.

>>723549787
No duo queue, per usual. If you solo, its always solos. If you trio, always trio. If you duo, you are in the trio queue

where do I find mechanical components

>>723549757
Embark was founded by ex-dice ceo though?
And I'm sure the core is more or less the same. I mean arc raiders reminds me of battlefront 2 and it's not a coincidence.

>>723549827
>leave rewarding good aim out of my game
ok? enjoy it's 1 month lifespan i guess

>>723549948
did you forget there are shields in this game, anon.

>Remove everything
>Go into mission
>Loot 1-3 immediate small areas
>Extract
>No bots, no players, no risk
God extraction shooters are stupid.

>>723550073
>"BRUH I GOT A USED CONDOM AND 2 STAPLES WITH NO RISK, I BROKE THE SYSTEM ONG FR FR!!!"

Escape from duckov > ARC raiders

>>723550159
>Design a flawed game idea
>Its bad
WHOOOAAAAAA

>>723522065
they shamed him for being correct, dont see why this gets a pass for its wokey boring ass artstyle when concord didnt even get to live a week for it enjoy your lesbian raiding gang

>>723549716
even Nvidia is promoting Arc Raiders too over BF6, everyone knows they're the real DICE now.

>>723550073
>make game
>people like you "outsmarting" the developers by playing said game

>>723550073
That's like buying a lot of potions in a JRPG. Useful but you'll have to have a real fight eventually and those potions will only help you so much

>>723550275
Yeah na, not buying it. Just enjoyed breaking it instantly.

1. Its woke
2. Its extraction garbage

>>723550275
Yeah na, not buying it. Just enjoyed breaking it instantly.
1. Its woke
2. Its extraction garbage

>>723550405
>JRPG
Another niche genre thats garbage

>>723550438
>breaking it
anon, that's one of the many ways to play the game.

>Yeah, I broke the game
>literally plays the game

>>723550492
>Huuuurrrrr thats just playing the game!
Yeah, a shit game, made badly. You lost a sale stay mad.

>>723550174
>chinese clone vs original IP

>>723550174
Those chinks made 2 mirrion dollars with their game

Why does my character has a feminine voice?

>>723550073
>the game is not fun if I play in a specific way that circumvents the majority of the game
maybe do something instead of farming

>>723551667
>Here is my version of monopoly! By the way if you press this button you win so dont do it
>presses button
>Dude maybe do something other than press the button!?
Lol. Retard.

>>723551021
>original IP
They ripped off generic extraction shooters and slapped retro futurism on top of it you retard.

>>723551736
>winning the game is the point of it
no, its having fun, go wash

>>723549634
Nobody cares about that shit except /pol/cels.

>>723521563 (OP)
Something with "body type" has no right to rip the speccy logo off

>>723521563 (OP)
Man, this game seems aight but why the fuck is it third person? NIggas be just cornerpeeking 24/7.

Something with "body type" has no right to rip the speccy logo off

Anyone wanna do the night raid in 10mins

>>723543570
That's not wow situation though. Wow was "MMO but for normies and women"

>>723551667
>circumvents
this is 100% expected, you can do this in any extraction looter.
>he loots
>he extracts
nothing of this is controversial

>>723552173
>extraction looter
curiously this doesnt exist, the term is extraction shooter
and no he does not shoot

>>723551792
Nobody cares about this game but blueskycels. Its just ugly and stupid. The mutual interest is just indicative that you have more in common with them than you are willing to admit. I'm leaving this gay retard thread now, good bye.

>>723552264
nice thumbnail jackass

>>723550174
isnt duckov a singleplayer isometric game?

Why do all these Tarkov copies never realize the most important part of an extraction shooter happens outside the game?

The hideout, the progression, the inventory management, the questing. That’s what gives all the trash loot meaning. The stuff that happens outside the map is what makes looting actually feel worth it.

If you’re just fighting for loot to get more gear to fight for more loot, it’s pointless. You might as well go back to Fortnite or COD, and most people do.

The drive to upgrade your hideout is what makes you want better gear, so you can bring back better loot. It’s not some two-step loop like these copies think. The loot isn’t for the combat, the combat’s for the loot, and the loot’s for the hideout. That’s what keeps it all going.

>never played an extraction shooter
>was considering buying this due to the massive shilling
>playtest fucking sucks but i can see the appeal of the genre
>boughed escape of duckov instead

>>723552676
why not just tarkov, are you perchance shilling

>>723552712
not that anon but duckov is singleplayer. he probably doesnt want to deal with people. he should probably have bought quasimorph instead. duckov looks like shit

>>723552596
Retard there is a whole progression system with your base and things called expeditions. Its like 90 percent disabled in this demo.

>>723552596
False, people played dark and darker and thought it was great and it has no hideout, you do level your character though which was something tarkov did poorly and arc raiders does have a level system too
Part of the fun is just min maxing your gear I thought that was fun in DnD, too have so much agi your barbarian could just run around and solo everything

>>723552871
The fact that they don't demo is because they KNOW it's shallow.

>>723552795
has quasimorph gotten better? i remember it getting an update that made it suck to play

>>723542062
>Can't believe Marathon actually has a chance.
everyone is loving it and it cracked 187, possibly going over 200k today. all the streamers dropped marathon within one day.

>>723552879
what made it suck to play?
i'm having fun replacing all my limbs with robotic parts and cybernitic implants

>>723552896
It was in TT2 retard. Its why people enjoyed it more than this demo.

>>723521563 (OP)
I saw it calls itself pvpve now and didn't bother getting the play test.

PvPvE shooters never ever ever EVER work. Players are simply too aggressive and retarded for the PvE and social elements to make any difference at all. You're just making a bad pvp shooter with extra steps.

Besides which if anyone actually wanted to play that kind of boring and stressful and unfulfilling experience Hunt The Showdown is right there.

>>723553096
You can defend it all you want, but it's shit and you know it too deep down.

This game makes you work too hard to extract
>be last person on team
>just a pistol and a small smg
>two drones and a crawling one protecting the last extract
>they're covering all over it

>>723522130
You could make early pvp instantly cause death and people will still shoot to kill on sight. SOS learned this lesson the hard way.

is this gun worth running at all

>>723521563 (OP)
It's just a boring game mode to me

>>723543992
for some unexplainable reason (they're swedish) they cut down the progression for this test to the bare minimum, so 90% of shit you collect is completely useless beyond selling it to buy shit in shops or recycling it for lower-tier mats
get what you need and go and kill people, or reverse order

>>723553150
carry a heavy ammo weapon next time

>>723542062
>Can't believe Marathon actually has a chance.
Nah it doesn't unless it's a complete revamp.

>>723552596
It's almost the same thing that happens to MonHun clones and even MonHun itself now. They strip out the stuff you do between hunts or in hunts that isn't just beelining to the quest target.

>>723544792
>Has a smoke grenade helped anyone ever?
me, just now

>>723547556
>t. brown

>>723548465
whats the difference between rarity and tier

>>723553135
Yeah a game missing 90 percent of its content is shallow. Who would have thought?

>>723552795
Duckov looked like a silly take on Tarkov, which had me intrigued
I keep meaning to play Quasimorph ever since Sseth shilled it but it keeps getting pushed back which seems to have been a wise choice as it's apparently more polished now

>3rd person without disabling god mode camera
Why the fuck do these games not do what SCUM did with 3rd person? Player models are disabled until your character models' eyes can physically see the other player models. Would solve corner peaking and all that ridiculousness.

why is this game generating hype? it seems super shallow

>>723529468
feels like there's a lot of multiplayer games picking odd gamemodes and suffering for it

>>723521563 (OP)
This game is just camping and abusing the 3rd person camera, bonus points for turning down the graphics all the way and cranking the brightness up.

>>723553663
paid shills, unironically

>>723553523
I'm assuming you mean different tier weapons? they're upgraded, I guess it makes them stronger.

rarity can apply to value or usefulness

>>723548465
some weapons are just more rare than others.
tiers gives the weapon more quality of life or handling, but they never do more damage so just stuff like faster reload speed.

>having a good time
>played a few matches
>queue for squad fill again
>get a squad of two dudes who are just calling me a nigger off the bat for no reason
>try to communicate with them about enemies I see or offer shield recharge
>they tell me to shut up and call me a nigger again
>I get downed in a team fight
>they call me a nigger and refuse to res me
>lose all my shit
Yeah
And now I suddenly have 0 interest in the game

>>723554634
filtered, nigger.

>>723554634
If you want to force people to like you then you should apply as a discord moderator, nigger.

>>723554793
>>723554892
Anti-social retards like you are an actual blight

>>723554634
goty

its a third person shooter that plays worse than the division so why would i buy it?

>>723521563 (OP)
I love this game but the cowardly rats who camp extraction instead of playing the game just ruin the experience for me. if they fix that somehow I'll definitely buy it

>>723555451
>but the cowardly rats who camp

that is the fatal flaw of extraction shooters and it will never be fixed.

tried it, feels alright and killing players is fun as theyre too occupied fighting the drones. sadly much like the finals servers are shitty although it wont be as detrimental because theres so much downtime in this type of game. promising but i dont think i will buy.
maybe ill just look up singleplayer extraction shooters instead? duckov and zero sievert looks cool but i prefer first person.

>>723554634
>they call me a nigger and refuse to res me

>>723555492
>as theyre too occupied fighting the drones

i love how the drone takes like 60 bullets to kill and its stun shot goes through cover

I feel like when things get heated, there should be more of a reason to collaborate with other players.

> <10mins left
>show up to lift at the same time
>you literally can extract together, it doesn't have to be "us or them"
nothing really encourages this

>>723555557
>nothing really encourages this

at least in CoD DMZ you could send out a group invite.

alright yeah fuck this
i made some nice shit and lost it all
extraction shooters arent for me

>>723555479
hunt fixed it
come home white man

>>723555528
>i love how the drone takes like 60 bullets to kill
did you struggle playing dead space?

>>723555557
mmm nyo
*headshots you*

>>723555692
stop shilling your dead game

There needs to be raider vision or something to ping corner humpers with so they can't hold an angle like they're married to it.

>>723555893
>so they can't hold an angle like they're married to it.

this is why i won't be playing anymore. third-person + high-stakes PVP = dogshit. its why pubg has a specific bracket for 3pv disabled.

>>723555528
wasp is pretty easy in my experience even with kettle. just shoot 2 propellers and theyll die instantly.
if its the big guy with rockets yeah just run. i learned my lesson once.

>>723555821
never
game is underrated and more /v/irgins need to try it

>>723521563 (OP)
I like

>>723555893
use your grenades

How's the destruction in this relative to Finals? Being yet-another extraction shooter isn't enough to make it try it unless it's just as dynamic as Finals is.

>>723556072
There is no destruction.

>>723556036
the problem with hunt is that its one of those games that requires you to study years of updates and game mechanic quirks to get. its like playing Tf2 for the first time right now.

>>723556072
>destruction
lol...

>>723556119
I am baffled. They are the absolute king in the industry when it comes to networked destruction and many genres would benefit from it.

>>723527298
They should do it like Last of Us multiplayer did it, though people are too fucking retarded for it so they'd probably go and complain about it and then they'd patch it and everyone would be a bullet sponge again. Can't have shit bc of retards, man.

>>723556183
>Last of Us multiplayer

that sounds like of of those multiplayers that has an insane cult following like Metal Gear Online

>>723555557
It's called proximity voice chat, nigga.

>>723556036
It was fun, then they removed quick swap. Hasn't been the same since.

>>723555692
fixed it how?

>>723556283
I still have no fucking clue why they didn't just recycle its multiplayer + add some new shit for TLOU2.

>>723556173
It would be cool to see the robots crash through stuff but there must be some reason they didn't include it when they obviously know how to do it.
>>723556283
MGO and Last of us multiplayer were both surprisingly very good. I miss that multiplayer mode for asscreed too. Dead space 2s multiplayer was fun at the start.

Speaking of TLOU, I hate the faggy ass movement in Arc Raiders, reminds me of Noughty Dawg's slop.

>>723556569
>I hate the faggy ass movement in Arc Raiders

thats just what full body mocap looks like

>>723556283
>Last of Us multiplayer
This is the only only-on-console multiplayer that I had time invested into.

do enemies have random hp? some drones i can kill with 1 magazine, some other same drone takes 3. why?

>>723556789
maybe accuracy and weak spots? I always try to aim for the light.

>>723556789
it seems like you have to aim for the weakpoints to do any real damage.

another body for the pile

>>723521563 (OP)
>do tutorial
>enter mission
>sidequest of loot 3 containers
>loot them
>shoot down a drone. Its a bit tougher than any tutorial drone, I have to dodge its powerful shot a lot
>carefully go around map looking for signs of people
>see a loot zone and decide to go hit it up
>door is opened
>loot first trashcan, hear gunfire down the hall.
>quickly cancel thinking some rat is about to wreck me
>its a man shooting a robot in the next room or he missed me
>i magdump into him, he dies
>kill the robots and loot him
>full inventory, time to gtfo of here
>go to hatch
>sorry you need a key
>AN ELEVATOR HAS CLOSED
>look for other exits on map
>have to backtrack to the area I was kinda in before
>get spotted by 2 drones. One looks heavy as fuck and fires rockets. The other a stun dart that hits hard as fuck
>try to run away
>aggro more drones as they alarm and make noise
>get fucking raped by drones

This shit sucks
I hate tarkov, hunt was okay but not really my game.

>>723556828
Is the weakpoint the light or are you supposed to aim for the fans

>>723556995
>>get spotted by 2 drones
try avoiding this

>>723556995
This shit is just a BR disguised as an extraction shooter.

>>723557074
the drones seem to pick and choose what cover they can see through.

>>723557074
5 of them were on me when I died. I tried juking and crouching in some metal containers but they dont give a fuck

>>723557095
Yeah, that's literally every Tarkov clone, only tarkov itself is a real extraction shooter since despite it's reputation, fighting isn't the "focus" of Tarkov, or more specifically, they don't "force engagements" through map designs and extraction limitations.

>>723521563 (OP)
This shit is uglier than Concord.

>>723553097
Whats worse however is a working 3 to 16 man coop game existed and they canned it for another generic extraction shooter.

Could had been another Helldivers instead its another Frontier

>>723557049
honestly not sure, you could maybe check by shooting those areas in the shooting range.

>down two players
>knocking them out is a dedicated action taking seconds
why

>>723557238
you keep saying that and it still hasn't made any sense. you also never even played concord.

>Get killed by an exfil camper
>Check profile
>Ukrainian
not even surprised

>>723557379
shoot them

>>723557238
it's extremely ugly, but that's a gross exaggeration
concord came from the pits of hell with how life denyingly ugly it was

>>723557259
Give it a year and they'll start adding casual side-modes like they did with Finals.

Why did they make robots into bullet sponges? To balance the 4man party fags dps?
Why not have drone swarms of 30 robots patrolling but a few bullets actually takes them down?

Why did they make it an extraction shooter?
This might have been more fun in jolly co-operation mode

DMZ still the best. the perfect amount of casual and tryhard

>>723557535
parties are 3 people max. They're bullet sponges because the only guns available in the test are very weak. 30 robot swarms would tank performance in a big map game like this. It's an extraction shooter because the game would be boring as shit if it was just some pve co-op looter.

>>723554634
>join a random squad
>only one guy is coming through on mic
>other guy ends up fiddling around with his settings to allow toggle
>nothing
>static
>"--nigger."
"Yeah *that* one worked."
>we have fun fucking about for more sessions

>>723557337
>>723557049
same amount of bullets, shooting fans just makes it feel like it'll take longer. Plus it'll cause the drone to fly erratically

>>723557337
>>723557931
I noticed its actually 4 per wing, so its "quicker" but you'll probably miss just as much making it 5/5

>>723556789
I think their hp is segmented
so taking out two rotors by only landing shots on them will be faster than if some of your shots go to rotors 3 and 4
I also think you will take down rotors faster if all your shots go through the same armor plate on each rotor (you can see them breaking)
being grounded kills them, main body hp is 100% separate, you can see them smoking and flaming if they took a lot of main body dmg

>>723549634
cringe
>>723551792
based

>>723557146
they can hear you

>>723556995
the map tell you when they close and which ones need keys
sounds like a you problem

>>723521563 (OP)
I can't believe I almost fell for the hype...
Tried watching some sloptubers earlier this week to check the gameplay, but all of their talking points sounded strangely similar, claiming IT'S THE NEXT BIG THING and what not, then I noticed some of them casually mentioning how they're partnered with Embark, which explained my suspicions. Strike #1

The next thing I couldn't ignore was how the guns mirror themselves when shoulder swapping. Like literally magically mirrors with all the asymmetric parts. WTF? I'm not even full on autistic, just slightly on the spectrum, but this is fucked up. So that was strike #2.

Still, I decided to check this server test because I was kinda bored yesterday. And it's trash. I kinda liked the movement and the atmosphere and the performance is nice, but that's it. Even if I could ignore the mirroring guns part, they feel like shit and impactless.
The initial PVE gameplay trailer looked cool though :(

>>723557416
Vibe check with grenades whenever possible, that's what I do in Tarkov, always keep a grenade handy to toss into the common hiding spots and see whether anything hops or flops out