Thread 723533113

Choose your fighter, anon, say why you picked said fighter.

None of that shit.

>>723533113 (OP)
Homecoming because the soundtrack has One More Soul to the Call.

>>723533262
homecoming is the worst game by far

>>723533113 (OP)
Homecoming because I like playing it. Cool soundtrack and atmosphere. And the boss fights were pretty cool (especially Scarlet).

>no hammerin' harry mason
Pass.

Was Origins the PSP one with the trucker and a Not-Pyramid Head?

>>723533113 (OP)
All western SH slop sucks
Only SH that matter are the OG 1-4, everything else is bullshit
PT gets a pass though

>>723533520
PT is garbage only tolerated by morons who speak in internet buzzwords like 'slop'

>>723533210
Pick one

>>723533616
It literally started it's own genre and had a ton of clones made of it

Eileen shaving

>>723533624
ok
f is easily the best out of the new games

>>723533429
That's the one.
I mostly remember how the lead really had no reason to stay in Silent Hill (what was his name? Travis?) and how he could keep an infinite amount of TVs in his inventory to throw at enemies.

Shattered Memories = Origins > Downpour > Homecoming

Shattered Memories is a cool idea with some interesting mechanics in how it reads what the player does, but ultimately isn't that much fun to play. Still, it's not outright broken or frustrating. Similarly, Origins actually has some decent puzzles and environmental design, but the story is pointless and the item durability mechanics are tedious. Decent game, but pretty flawed at times.

Downpour is buggy, looks really ugly, feels awful to play, and the story is aggressively mediocre. I did like some aspects of exploring the world as well as some of the themes they tried, but it falls flat on its face super quickly.

Homecoming is just bad. The only positives I can come up include the music (which is just alright compared to other games) and the boss design. Otherwise, the combat is exhausting with how strict it is as well as the constant enemy arenas, the story actually shits itself and trips over its own desperate attempt for a twist (multiple endings make little to no sense and feel like they just wanted to get fans to point at the cool thing they recognize). The puzzles were generally ass, and even had a few that could outright softlock you. And overall it just felt like the devs didn't know what they wanted to do. Cult horror? Psychological twists? Pyramid Head? Just throw it in, fans of Silent Hill liked that stuff, right?

If I had to replay one, I'd go for Shattered Memories. At least it was interesting in what it did and it's short enough that it doesn't grate on my nerves.

>>723533646
What genre? Corridor horror?
I don't get what is it that Kojima supposedly "innovated" there.

Origins is alright, I guess.
Homecoming is shit. No redeeming qualities other than smooth gameplay. No issues there at least.
Shattered memories is fun shit.
Downpour is shit but I prefer it over Homecoming because I like the characters and story, kind of. A slog to play though.

Cheryl Showering.

>>723533210
This

SH ended at 4, it's not really a debate. I get people have nostalgia for some of these but they just aren't good games.

Reminder that you can not skip cutscenes in Downpour.

>>723533113 (OP)
Homecoming>>>>>>>>>Origins>>>>>> absolute stinky garbage>>>>>Downpour>>>>diarhea vomit and piss>>>>>>>>>>>Shattered memories

Fuck shattered memories, running away from ONE enemy type the entire game and it's not even scary at ALL. disgusting.
At least Homecoming had scares and cool monsters and decent locations and graphics for its time. The only think that sucked was the story.
Origins was "okay" but just copying shit from SH1 and 2 and nothing original.

I just started playing 3 after playing 1 and 2 for the last 2 Octobers. So far this has been very interesting. Throws you right into the monsters compared to 2 and there are much more, crazier designs.
As well, the game is fucking insane so far with how it's just throwing me from place to place. I'm currently in the building connected to the construction site and have only been playing for a total of 2 hours I think.

>>723533113 (OP)
Shattered Memories because it has Major Kusanagi singing the image songs.

It also innovates rather than iterates on Team Silent games which is a plus. If it was just a bog standard remake it would just be the "soullless Wii remake" of the PSX original.

>>723533646
Actually Amnesia invented the normalfag bait genre

>>723534693
Yeah SH3 is actually one of the best SH games, MUCH scarier than SH2 and even scarier than SH1. Sure the story is nothing amazing but good enough.
It's still a great horror game, while SH2 is mega overrated. And SH1 is too clunky gameplay wise and has dated graphics, maybe the remake will finally fix those 2 major issues. Enjoy 3 anon

>>723534705
How does it innovate? There was no reason it needed to be an SH title beside easily changeable character names. Take them out and it's a half baked thriller.

>>723534687
Best post in the thread. Shattered Memories isn't even a Silent Hill game. Miss me with that Amnesia running away bullshit.

>>723534804
Go fight the final boss of SH3 and come back to me about "clunky".

>>723534804
>>723534871
The first boss of 3 was ridiculously easy lol

>>723533113 (OP)
Your roster has been updated, anon.

>>723534693
I always go back and forth on whether I like 2 or 3 more and one point in 3's favor was always the pacing.

>>723534804
>And SH1 is too clunky gameplay wise and has dated graphics, maybe the remake will finally fix those 2 major issues
Opinion discarded.

>>723534804
I've always wondered how relevant SH3 is if you haven't played SH1 since it relies on it quite a bit.

Shit Gets Frosty would have been tolerable without the awful chase scenes.

>>723535081
This is me
>>723534693
And having played 1 but it being 2 years ago, there has been barely any story so far aside from the detective, Claudia showing up to laugh, and then the guy with glasses talking about Harry keeping her birth a secret. Wondering where it'll go

>>723533113 (OP)
Origins is easily the best out of the American SH games. The others ones are all ass

>>723535081
well you're missing out the tear jerker very early on

>>723535013
3 is shorter and tighter, makes replays easier compared to 2. I try to replay 2 yearly but sometimes I just can't deal with the Maria escort section and give up.
>>723535081
Very, Harry's death is meaningless without the gut punch he was the last protagonist. People forget now but media up until its release really tried to hide the fact that it was a sequel after SH2 made it seem like the games would be loosely connected.

>>723534815
Does a horror game necessarily need combat? What about combat makes it unique to Silent Hill? With the chase sequences, there is at least some level of tension that is inescapable. Do you really need to hit enemies with a rusty pipe *that* badly?

The game's psychoanalytic gimmick works fairly accurately, and psychological horror is usually a facet of Silent Hill to some degree, whether its experienced by the player or NPCs for story related reasons.

Much like SH2, it uses complex grief but in an entirely different direction. Both use unreliable narrators and their resolution ends in confrontation, but framed entirely in different ways. Rather than using the town to have James confront his issues, the entire game of SH is the counseling session itself, creating a consistent ludo narrative harmony.

>>723535014
Go replay SH1 now, TODAY and come back and tell me it's fluid , not clunky and looks great.
Retarded faggot. Stop relying on your memories from 10-20 years ago

>>723533113 (OP)
Shattered Memories is the only good western silent hill.

>>723535568
>Go replay SH1 now, TODAY and come back and tell me it's fluid , not clunky and looks great.
It would be much more relevant to go play it and compare it to Resident Evils at the time. Dynamic camera alone elevates SH1 so much it's not even funny.

>>723533113 (OP)
Oh, cool. I was just looking for a SH thread.
I'm about to start 4. Why don't people talk about it like every other entrant in the series? I've not played any and it's the only one I know nothing about

>>723535568
Nigger I played it two years ago just fine. Sorry you're gay and stupid and niggerlicious and love sucking corporate cock for remakes

>>723535447
Somebody really needs to put together a patch for those fucking shadows man. They have been driving me insane on my last few replays of sh3

>>723533113 (OP)
I choose the inexplicable Diablo clone they made for Vita, play it in Attack position, and end my turn.

Because it's funny that they made it.

>>723535623
Back half is pretty egregious in design.

>>723535623
because sh4 was both part of the decline, but still relevant to core games

>>723535720
>book of memories
I wish I could make myself forget about that piece of shit.

>>723535712
Is that now how it was on PS2? I remember 2 on PC having pretty funky shadows but when I looked up footage they were like that.

>>723535505
>Does a horror game necessarily need combat?
No, but prior SH games have alwyas made it a point to have it and even then SM isn't the first game to do this. Clock Tower predates SH and has no true combat system for example.
>The game's psychoanalytic gimmick works fairly accurately, and psychological horror is usually a facet of Silent Hill to some degree, whether its experienced by the player or NPCs for story related reasons.
Have to disagree, I find the system too limited to really feel meaningful. You have three really shitty routes and one perfect route, feels especially egregious considering how easy triggers for the shitty routes are. Looking at a poster in game shouldn't mean my Harry is now an irredeemable piece of shit.

>>723535568
It plays just like OG SH2 retard
It's fine

>>723535809
Nope PS2 version has proper soft shadows, that harsh shadow on Heather's shoulder in your webm isn't supposed to look like that. Not a big deal really but yeah it's been bugging me lately.

>>723535623
Oh you'll know the part where things go downhill

>>723535568
It's fluid , not clunky and looks great.

Harry is not a member of STARS, understanding his very real momentum is the core aspect of SH1 challenge. The original game's art direction is also still the best in the series

>>723535969
Damn I thought the fix from Steam006 was supposed to fix the soft shadows. What a shame.

>>723535447
honestly, best way to play sh3 is still to just emulate the ps2 version

>>723535998
Lil bro comments on the art direction and posts a webm that modified the graphics so extremely that the original art direction is obfuscated

Run the game in software mode lil nigga

>>723536054
Absolutely not, PC is the best way to play SH2, 3 and even 4 since GOG patched SH4 with missing content earlier this year.

>>723533113 (OP)
Shattered Memories
I like playing with my wii

Downpour > Homecoming > Origins >>>>>>>> shattered memories (running simulator)

>>723533113 (OP)
Shattered Memories is probably my favorite of the western Silent Hill because it feels it had proper development time unlike the rest of the developed western Silent Hill games. Also the original ideas for Origins, Homecoming and Downpour were wack.
>Origins was originally to be a dark comedy like the scrubs and would play RE4 clone
>Homecoming was meant to be the first game of a trilogy being Silent Hill: Avengers edition and Laura was planned to be the shitty love interest until they discarded that
>Downpour had Murphy as Patrick Bateman type character

>>723535623
Good luck, I really love 4. Dont listen to fags who complain about it recycling areas or going downhill or whatever. The game has a very very solid momentum.

Just remember that you ARE Henry and YOU are responsible for everything that happens to the supporting characters you encounter. I had this attitude when I played and it made the game very very exciting to me the whole way through. I think it's the best "action horror" game of all time (vs games like RE4, RE5, Dead Space etc)

>>723535568
I played it like a year ago. Tank controls are kinda "clunky" until you get used to them. This takes maybe an hour or two, after which everything becomes a non-issue.
It's also the best SH game out of 1-4.

>>723533520
>>723534493
4 is garbage, always was, always will be.

>>723536125
Strong art direction triumphs over graphically fidelity.

>>723535881
I agree to the second point. I never really thought SH needed combat, since the main draws to me were the exploration, story, and puzzle elements (and that is usually what is discussed in retrospective discussions). So, for me, combat just felt like they were aping Resident Evil for the sake of players used to having that feature in horror games. It's present across the series, yeah, but it always felt extraneous to me.

Some of the psychological measures were superficial, but it worked in my case because I got the drunk dad ending and IRL my dad was a drunk, so I was impressed. The fact that it was because I did find myself looking at beer bottles and the whisky bottle was disappointing to learn, yeah. If they had more time to create a sophisticated system, there would probably be less of a disconnect or rejection by the player.

>>723536125
The people who say this shit are always zoomers who didn't know devs wanted higher resolutions and framerates for their games and the PC versions a lot of these games got back in the day were able to achieve that.

>>723536214
This man gets it

>>723533113 (OP)
Infinite TV carrier
vs
Wannabe soldier boy
vs
dude with a cellphone
vs
Convict
I pick Origins man.

>>723535568
Controls are better than other tank control games for having the ability to strafe alone
Auto aim is reliable enough to not make controls a problem to begin with
Art direction did not age at all
You are a stupid motherfucker that should kill yourself

>>723533113 (OP)
Homecoming, cause it's the only one I've played of the bunch.

Harry Hammerin

>>723533113 (OP)
Post 4 all SH games are just treated like movie tie-ins, just totally worthless

>>723536429
They WANTED higher resolutions yes
But they WORKED AROUND LIMITATIONS especially when they were limited to locked down platforms like the PS1.

You fuckjng idiot. If you are team silent circa 1997-1999 and you're making SH1, do you just design all of the art and assets as you saw them in your mind's first draft? Hoping "oh one day I hope there will be some magical way for PS1 games to be upscaled to ultra high 4k res and see our TRUE vision"? Or do you WORK AROUND THE LIMITATIONS AND ADJUST THE AESTHETIC, ART, ASSETS TO SUIT THE HARDWARE YOU ARE **LOCKED** DOWN ON??? THEY HAD NO OTHER OPTION!

You dumb motherfucker. If there was ANY game that you should be playing at original res and with CRT filter on its silent hill 1. Fuck it play RE123 however you want but SH1 had genius art and tech people behind it who THOUGHT HARD ABOUT THIS STUFF.

>>723533113 (OP)
I really like Homecoming's songs, so I guess that one.

>>723536173
>and even 4 since GOG patched SH4 with missing content earlier this year
>play on GOG version of 4
>tab out for any reason
>entire PC freezes
>can't open task manager
>have to hold down power button
Just emulate 4 or pirate a retail copy and patch it yourself. GOG refuses to address this issue and it's been happening for years

>>723536125
>>723536429
>>723536638
It is just insane to me how you retards see no issue with Option #1 in this webm. The pitch black darkness replaced by a neutral grey tone, the gritty shaky texture of the chain fencing replaced by smeary pngs, the blurry dreamlike human silhouette of Harry - who moves like a real person but whose exact features you can't make out - replaced by a comical Minecraft model and cutscenes where you can obviously tell the characters aren't even moving their lips when they speak.

This shit is UNACCEPTABLE and you DIDN'T REALLY PLAY SH1 UNLESS IT WAS AT THE ORIGINAL SETTINGS. Running this game at higher than native res, without dithering, without some kind of scanlines ABSOLUTELY BUTCHERS the intended presentation. It isn't supposed to look like Minecraft Silent Hill 2 it's supposed to look like a fucking NIGHTMARE.

>>723533113 (OP)
>Origins sucks the least if you ignore the story
>Homecoming
>Shattered Memories has respectable highs but the ice world shit FUCKING sucks
>Downpour would outright be the best game here if it wasn't the most broken piece of shit out of them

Origins, I guess.

>>723533113 (OP)
All of them have pros & cons.
Origins while having a shit story more or less has classic survival horror gameplay that's hard to come by so if you liked the previous games I'd recommend playing it even if it's not for the story.
Shattered Memories is a walking sim it's hard to compare it to anything in the series.
Downpour has the most potential combining mechanics from all three outsourced games but completely failing because of budget imo and bizzare choices. I like that they got rid of Yamaoka yeah I know blashphamous but the outsource devs shouldn't even bother copying the og games and make something of their own which they tried here with a lot fault and still looking at the older sh gams.
Homecoming has an interesting hook with a rival cult but it all falls apart when they expand. the game' way too linear as well. the twist worked on me because it was my first sh game.

>>723537029
???
The other options look like pixelated bullshit unc

>>723533113 (OP)
silent hill is so overrated. Sh2 voice acting is shit and the remake is uglified and bloated beyond belief

>>723537029
I agree that the clean high res rendering is not the best but ruining it with filters to the point you can't even recognize the chain fence is also bad

>>723538062
SH1 is great. SH3 is good. SH2 is alright. The rest are the rest.

>>723538080
you don't see things clearly in a real nightmare until you get up close to them

if anyone wants a ""fix"" for origins shadows for PPSSPP here:
https://buzzheavier.com/ointo0y0cmdp
i removed the shadow with 3DMigoto though you need to use DX11 and 64bit version of PPSSPP.

>>723536916
works on my machine

>>723538256
not true at all, unless you're afraid of going blind and that's what you're dreaming about

>>723533646
>It literally started it's own genre
It didn't do anything that Outlast didn't already slap together a year before. The presentation was just way better.

>>723534260
the camera.

>>723533113 (OP)
Does anyone have a guide or some tips on how to emulate SH3? I just pulled my PS2 out of storage and SH3's disc got water damaged somehow.

>>723538937
PC version retard

bloober is shit

SH2R >>>>> SH2

>>723534126
>Shattered Memories = Origins > Downpour > Homecoming
/thread

>>723534804
3 is the worst Team Silent game. Itt's just 4 hours of boring corridors filled with monsters. You're actually retarded if you think it's better than 1,2 and 4.

>>723535623
4 is kino. Ignore the retards who got filtered by the "backtracking". It's my favorite SH after 2

>>723533113 (OP)
Origins is the weakest of the bunch but it was a PSP game so whatever.
Homecoming was never properly finished but I liked what I played, the schizo ending is one of the best in the series.
Shattered Memories is kino
Downpour has some good moments, I liked exploring the town.

>>723535568
SH1 plays better than 3

When you guys replay the games what difficulty is it on?

>>723540776
1 on hard
2+3 on normal because strafing from corner to corner taking hunting rifle potshots at bosses for literally 15 minutes straight on hard mode is genuinely poor design

>>723540776
What are SH3's extreme difficulties like?
Does everything just oneshot you or what

>>723533113 (OP)
Among these four?
Zero and Homecoming easily, both are great horror games with their flaws (breakable weapons in 0 and janky combat in Homecoming).
Downpour was okay, pretty fun for a single playthrough.
The abominationt that is SM should be erased from existence.

>>723534126
>decent puzzles
I am still laffin
The shrink gimmick gets old pretty fast (oooh, look, mosters have booba now!)
You never feel threatened in normal world, since the game establishes its rules in a very clear way early on - you know that mosters appear only in nightmare sequences and daytime sections become shitty walking sim.
Nightmare sequences are glorified subway surfers, taking away any chance at being spooked solely by atmosphere and fear of uknown and soon the only emotion you feel is sheer fucking frustration because you got memed into playing this trash.
also
>r*ddit spacing
That explains a lot.

>>723533113 (OP)
Shattered Memories (wii edition) was comfy, want to replay it on dolphin someday soon. A much better walkingsim than it was a horror game, really nice atmosphere, art direction, music and story/setting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysFtih1oXRA

>>723542423
I liked that Kaufmann is your avant-garde therapist lol

>>723542701
On my playthrough, Kaufmann deduced that I was a virgin loser for even coming to therapy in the first place he was totally right

>>723533113 (OP)
Shattered Memories elevates SH1 and 3 for me because it shows how behaviorally & psychologically damaging growing up without a loving parent can be for a child. Cheryl's story feels uncomfortably realistic. I felt so bad for her. And although Harry doesn't make it out of SH3 alive he at least got to raise his daughter Heather through her formative teenage years so that she can walk away at the end of SH3 a confident young woman.

>>723534126
fpbp

>>723542309
>>r*ddit spacing
you're very stupid

>>723534776
stfu retard

>>723533298
everything would be better than the shitshow that was F

>>723539204
trvke

>>723543415
>actually samefagging to defend your shit taste
oof

>>723533113 (OP)
Shattered Memories was kino

>>723534126
If origins did more with Travis being a schizo serial killer I think it would have been giga kino

>>723533113 (OP)
i was planning to play the entire franchise for the first time this october but shattered memories was so boring it force me to stop.