Thread 723552012

>worst map
>worst and most unmemorable new Pokemon
>worst balance
>worst progression
>retards still call it the best because WAOH TWO MAPS!!!

>>723552012 (OP)
two maps was so based. I wish more pokemon games had more maps. I wish ruby and sapphire had kanto and johto on top of what it had

>>723552116
I don't care about quality or pacing, I just want more KAHNTENT!!!!
Fuck off zoomer

>>723552268
GS had more content, or were you not there every day of the week?

>>723552268
compared to future games (and past games for that matter...) g/s quality was through the fucking roof
pokemon has always been so lazily made, year in, year out. but this was the one time they really seemed to make the best game they could

red and green were the buggiest pieces of trash, and modern games like s/v were so poorly made they ran at 5 frames a second.

g/s is one of the only nicely polished, professionally made games mainline pokemon has ever had. basically every other entry just comes across like rushed out of the door half-baked trash

>>723552012 (OP)
>TWO MAPS!!!
Yes. No other Pokemon game has had this much effort put into it.
Every other point you made is just factually incorrect.
Our games will forever be considered the best, long after we have all died from old age. Keep seething, your threads are pure entertainment to the Johtochad.

>>723553157
Scarlet Violet had three maps

>>723552268
You say that when modern Pokemon games have horrible quality, bad pacing, and have no content on top of it.

>>723552012 (OP)
Sorry OP, /v/ is GSC territory, you are not welcome here. Go back to shitposting on /vp/

>>723552012 (OP)
At least wait until your last thread is gone from the archive before making the same one

>>723552012 (OP)
Cope

>>723552012 (OP)
>they can't even keep their shitposts to /vp/ anymore

>>723552268
The quality and pacing in Gold&Silver is perfectly fine, what the fuck are you even complaining about lmao

>>723553192
and they were below shit

>>worst map
>>worst and most unmemorable new Pokemon
>>worst balance
>>worst progression
>>retards still call it the best because WAOH TWO MAPS!!!

>>723552012 (OP)
This is now a Johto SOVL thread

I, too, get all my opinions from e-celebs. Heil Merrick!

>>723552012 (OP)
its good because i was a retarded 8 year old when i played it

>best music
>best atmosphere
>best waifu gymleaders
>16 badges
>gatekeeps zoomoids
You had to be there

>>723552012 (OP)
And the retards were right. Good for them.

>>723553810
It was good because it had SOVL

>>723552116
whenever i replay G/S/C i never bother with kanto. it wasn't that fun. was a letdown as a kid also

>>723553563
>>723553829
>>723553909
Take me back bros

>le level curve!!! I can't get MURKROW until Kanto!!!!!!!!! why isn't this designed like a sovlless nu-generation game????
I'm sorry you'll never know what a true childhood was like, zoomer

>>723553965
>was a letdown as a kid also
This is how we know you weren't there. Not a single kid was disappointed with Kanto in GSC in the early 2000s

>>723553909
>>723553973

In retrospect, did the soul REALLY die here?

>>723554245
yes

>>723554245
A lot of Nintendo IPs took hit to their SOVL during the cubie flop era of Nintendo.

>>723554245
>first dexcut
>no 'gotta catch em all' slogan
>6 games across two consoles needed to actually complete the dex
Yes

>>723553909
>>723553973
>>723554221

>>723554245
The Gen 3/4 era have their own soul that's distinct from Gen 1/2. It may not be equivalent, but it's sovl nonetheless.

Gen 3 is the best gen.

>>723554245
The generational mechanic of giving every pokemon an ability was peak soul. Problem was they also added all that nature shit which is just min-max cancer. Besides IV/DV's which are hidden (unless you go through the hassle of calculating it) no one wants to catch something and blatantly see it's fucking garbage, ex: SpA+ nature Makuhita.

>>723554485
>the OP turns out to be a Hoennkek with an inferiority complex
Every time

>>723552012 (OP)
>>723554245
>>723554485

Pokémon was supposed to be an experience, made for people with imagination. It's not supposed to be metagamed and memorized and quantified.
I only played gen 1-3, but I could already see the series losing its direction by gen 3.

>>723554915
proof?

>>723554992
>It's not supposed to be metagamed and memorized and quantified
Fucking this. I hate how every single discussion of when this franchise was good now revolves entirely around compfags. I don't care about the competitive scene, I just play the games.

>>723555073
I played, Red, Yellow, Emerald, HeartGold, White, and White 2 and liked them all. Gonna play Platinum next year I think

>>723554447
this anon gets it
Gen 3/4 were Tajiri stepping away from the series, so it went from being a single autistic auteur's unified vision, but as much as I'll dunk on Masuda, him, Morimoto and Kawachimaru wanted those games to be as good as possible. R/S were hamstrung by the GBA losing direct connectivity with older GBs (no idea what happened with DiaPer though kek) but they were still very solid bases of games that went on to become 2/3 of the best games in the series and the region + creature design was still THERE. compare that to the Switch (or even the 3DS) games where designs are all over the place in quality, mostly shite, and the maps are completely forgettable slop with no cool dungeons or other side content

>>723554416
here a bigger version

>>723554245
This was the peak

>>723552012 (OP)
Wasn't part of the gimmick era that started in gen 6, therefore it cannot be the worst. It is impossible

>>723552012 (OP)
Every single one of your bullet points is factually incorrect.

>>723554245
gen 3 was the peak of pokemon soul
>mirage island
>regis sidequests
>all the absurd event gated shit like latias/latios
>getting jirachi from pikachu TV or whatever it was
>pokemon colosseum

>>723554245
Pokemon's SOVL didn't really die until Gen VI, but gens III and IV have their own distinct SOVL as does gen V. Gen II is still peak SOVL regardless.

Gen 3 had
>best artstyle
>most soulful
>best new Pokemon designs
>best sprites
>best map
>fucking running shoes
>double battles
>Battle Frontier
Easily the best gen

>>723554245
>didn't add day night out of sheer incompetency
>please buy a shitton of games and two consoles if you ever want to complete the dex

>>723557532
Gen 3 had a similar jump in quality from Gen 2, but it was on all-new hardware so it was to be expected

>>723553965
I loved it as a kid. What really let me down as a kid was when I played ruby/sapphire and the game just fucking ended instead of getting to see what happened to johto and kanto after a timeskip the way gen 2 let you see what happened to kanto after a timeskip. I just assumed that's what they were going to do from now on and I basically gave up on pokemon after that.

Especially because ruby/sapphire were such a letdown in terms of what it had for you to do. The elite four had pokemon in the mid 40s, it felt like the game had barely begun and it was already over. Meanwhile g/s taught you to expect the level curve to keep going the whole way

r/s really did disappoint me badly at the time, I felt betrayed. But these days in retrospect it looks pretty fucking good compared to the trash gamefreak put out after it. It just so happened to come out right after the best pokemon games so expectations were just higher

>>723554245
there's way less soul in it than gsc, but way more soul in it than all the games after it

HGSS were better, but nostalgia is strong for GSC. My brother and I uses to breed a full team for each of us whenever we were starting new playthroughs and battling each other instead of being restricted by the games‘ shitty availabilities.

>>723553157
This shitty meme I made five years ago when I was a /vp/ newfag is still being posted, kek

>>723554174
i'm 37. i got them on release day. kanto was over in two seconds since the world was so small. they should have fleshed out johto instead.

>>723554174
Literally the only part of Kanto I was disappointed in as a kid was the scaled-back Viridian Forest, which wasn't nearly enough to put a damper on the overall "holy shit" impression I had of being able to revisit the region. Everything else was explained in a way that didn't bother me as a kid back then, like the Cinnabar volcano explosion getting rid of a lot of the city. I just thought "Oh yeah that makes sense".

>>723559674
if you're 37 you were way too old for pokemon already by the time gsc came out

>>723557532
The graphics, sprites, and designs were shit thoughbeit and the map had too much water

>>723560786
First time I went fishing as a 4 year old I got scared of the nibble and threw the rod in the water. Then grandpa forgot to use brakes so boat ramp went rolling down the hill and he chased after it. Bill Dance sort of day

>>723560726
They were a massive improvement over 2 and especially 1.

Zoomies and alphoomies want to judge shit by their standards of today, simply cannot understand the feeling of adventure and awe of GSC

>>723561569
I've noticed this is a trend with younger generations in general, where they can't understand something being novel in its own era. Like how the Beatles were a massive shakeup in the music scene in the 60s, if you try to tell them that they just say their music sounds old and boring. Like they cannot conceive of something having been produced in a different era with different cultural expectations and technological limitations being received as novel.

>>723561569
GSC was a disappointment even back then, RSE was the return to form

>>723562020
no one said this however

>>723562020
>RSE was the return to form
to what form? red/blue? do you even understand the meaning of the buzzwords you're typing?

Can't you faggots fuck off back to your containment board to lash out at each other there like the rabid animals you are?

>>723560381
12 is way too old?

>>723552012 (OP)
it's still the most feature rich version of pokemon TO DATE so eat my asshole.

>>723556713
Best Gym Leaders in the series by far
>b-but le kanto mons
They weren't 'Kanto mons' back then. They were just Pokemon.

>>723562020
>return to form
>When there were only 2 entries in the franchise prior
Wat

>>723562020
>t. zoomer
Kids back in the day were blown away by how much Gold/Silver added, colour, day/night, tons of new Pokemon, entire new regions.

>>723562674
Desu I genuinely couldn't believe how much content they managed to put on a fucking gameboy game back then.

>>723562674
The new pokemon were ugly babyfied garbage. They were dogshit compared to the original 151.

Ruby and Sapphire was also the first time people were disappointed by Pokemon graphics-wise. I remember posts comparing it to Megaman Battle Network and lamenting the map and overworld sprites didn't look like that.

>>723562639
>They weren't 'Kanto mons' back then. They were just Pokemon
This. Gen wars didn't exist until defensive babbies got butthurt about missing Pokemania and wanted to pretend their experience was just as magical.

>>723562020
>even back then
This revisionism will never work, zoomie
Those of us that were there remember when Pokemania was still running high, until Gen 3 happened

>>723562848
Ruby/Sapphire graphics shitstomped Gold/Silver. Gen 2 was genuinely ugly

>>723554245
That started the decline but the sovl wasn't truly gone until Gen 6

>>723554245
eh, I give gen 3 a pass, it's not too bad despite having to follow the incredible high that was gen 2. I liked the music, I like double battles, i like that they added more weather based modifiers, and I liked some new mons.

>>723562918
I was born in 95, stop larping. I even replayed them in early 2000s after Sapphire and Red was a blast to go back to while Silver was a boring ass slog with just weird and ugly pokemon. There's a reason that Gold/Silver mons have been forgotten from history, they were uniquely toddler-catering dogshit designs compared to both Gen 1 and Gen 3.

>>723562818
>babyfied garbage
You didn't play it on release, you have played newer ones and don't like the updated designs, which is fair. The designs in Gold/Silver are still the more pointy, old style.

>>723562924
Gen 2 looks good, RSE is literally the worst looking of the 2D games. The only thing people ever do to defend it is "b-b-but the reflections in the puddles!!!"

Gen 2 has the best designs in the series by far.

>>723552012 (OP)
Typical zoomer brainrot.
You just know he wasn't there when this was released.

>>723556713
>>723562639
Gens 1 & 2 had the best cast of characters by far. All memorable. All with perfect designs. And you could really feel their personalities shine through in the dialogue.
Take me back bros.

>>723563068
I played Pearl for a few hours before dropping it. Gen 3 was the last gen I beat. I played each pokemon around launch

Gen 3 had best artstyle, most soul, best map, running shoes, best new mons, weather effects, double battles, battle frontier, hideouts, etc. It was like a much better and more polished version of Red while Silver/Gold felt like C-team knockoff garbage

>>723563048
>I was born in 95
So you were 5 when GSC were out, far too young to even understand the games at all, let alone be 'disappointed' by anything in them.
Hoennkeks will really lie this blatantly and then wonder why they are the most hated fanbase after borts.

>>723556713
>>723562639
Gen 2 and 3 Sugimori style is perfect

>>723563223
Gen 3 designs were C team knockoffs. Looked nothing like Pokemon and 90% forgettable garbage.

>>723563223
>Gen 3 had best artstyle
lmao what crack are you smoking, gen 3 is where everything went wrong design wise

>>723563419
>>723563523
Gen 2 was uniquely uglg babyfied garbage

>gen
>gen
>gen
>gen
"le generation" theory has been a disaster for Pokemon discussion

I started with red and blue in 1998 and so far as I'm concerned all of the first 5 generations have sovl in their own ways. Gen 6 is the first generation I never beat, the jump to 3D was like antisoul and made the games worse to boot. Sun and Moon at least felt kind of like they actually tried but didn't manage to succeed (also holy fuck FUCK that long-ass intro tutorial God damn) so I give them a little more credit than what came before or after though.

>>723552012 (OP)
>worst map
>worst and most unmemorable new Pokemon
>worst balance
>worst progression
Why are you posting Gen3 facts with a Gen2 picture?

>>723563608
Yet Tyranitar mogs all of Gen 3's Digimon and actually looks like a Pokemon and is more popular...

>>723563608
Fake quote/translated wrong, here is what he actually said:
>"I see. Most Pokemon in Gold & Silver were of the cute variety, but this time…”
>Sugimori: Our priority with Pokemon has always been to create an even split of ‘cute’ and ‘cool’. But at that time, the breeding mechanic was a heavily advertised new feature in Gold & Silver, and so there were many ‘baby’ Pokemon created to showcase this. So even with the many ‘cool’ designs of those games, we felt that the audience would misinterpret this as an imbalance. So for Ruby and Sapphire, we had to ensure that this notion of imbalance did not reoccur, and we ended up making a lot of cool new designs.
>”When you were designing Pokemon around the time of Gold & Silver, where you now taking merchandising into consideration, and did this ultimately cause any constraints for the new designs?”
>Sugimori: “Rather than constraints, I’d say we were careful about a lot of things. Like we’d say ‘this Pokemon is cuter/stronger, so it should act like this’. However this time we didn’t really dwell on this too much.”

>>723563608
Blaziken was literally designed to be so ugly you would box it. Sadly they decided to keep the fursuit Digimon design principles going forward despite this.

>>723563728
thanks for this
i knew those images had to be propaganda BS because why would they shit on a game they were still selling, it makes no sense

>>723563608
Gen 2 wins, sorry anon. Just picked random Pokemon here.
>gen 1 golem lmao

>>723564115
The darker colors they chose for Gen II sprites make them pop so good, damn.

>>723562924
Ruby/Sapphire basically looked like Gen2 with more colors and some extra effects here and there. Way too few changes for a generation bump at that time.

>>723562468
>can you go back to discuss videogames somewhere else? we're discussing ecelebs here

>>723562468
Unfortunately /v/ is the only place us oldgen fans can discuss RBY and GSC in any meaningful way.
There is a nugen discord that keeps watch over /vp/ 24/7 and they derail any sovl/nostalgia threads out of spit and jealousy.

>>723564270
It was a massive difference, just GBC to GBA was huge.

>>723563728
Gen 2 was forgettable baby garbage

>>723564765
>A Xitter poll is proof that Gen 3 is the best
I've got about 50 instances of Gen 2/HGSS winning. Do you really want to play this game?
Gen 3 was the first massive disappointment in Pokemon and also the first real dexcut, arguably worse than SwSh

>>723564765
Oh wow that's a fucking horrible opinion on the starters. It goes 1 >>> 2 >>>>>>>>> 3

>>723564765
>retarded twitter post
>Gen 2 was forgettable baby garbage
This is what Hoennbabbies actually believe

>>723564765
You lost

>>723559710
https://youtu.be/gfHRgZvHOls?si=S9-jCIEc1PUvQjsZ&t=52
can we get back to mocking goldfags for having the shit intro
it also looks way better and on real hardware

>>723552012 (OP)
Instead of always introducing a shitload of new Pokemon with each new game, they should have instead had one new area with like 80 or something new Pokemon but also have the previous game area as an explorable area.

>>723554245
No, emerald ended up being a genuinely good soulful game. RS was the point where gamefreak incompetence was finally revealed to us all though

>>723552012 (OP)
I got this for Christmas the year it came out. Was amazing. Wont have a word said against it miltank is evil

>>723565634
I always thought that Lugia was releasing a wave of DARKNESS through the skies in its title screen

>>723563326
I remember being confused when I got to Kanto. Like why the fuck would I want to retread the same shit I already played? It was pathetic, it almost felt like an apology for making Johto so shit

>>723565889
thats cute lol

Gen2 best designs. Cyndaquil, typhlosion, houndoom, girafarig, umbreon, espion, snubull, lugia, the legendary dogs. Literally no other gen compares as far as iconic designs go, I could name almost the entire roster and most off the mons have endured in popularity.

>>723552012 (OP)
I haven't played a Pokemon game since ruby.

>>723564115
another game's colors washed out with anti-soul gas... sad!

>>723552268
Zoomers hate Gen 1 & 2 though. They only like new thing. You see, new thing is the greatest thing of all time. Old thing is obviously clunky and dated and aged like milk. But new thing is the best ever, dare I say it fucks and is the GOAT fr, because we truly live in the best of all times.

>>723552012 (OP)
>Sinnoh and onwards exist, so false.
>Sinnoh and onwards exist, so false.
>If you grind in any Pokemon game, you're a fag
>Same as any other Pokemon game
>More content is LE BAD

Once again, OP is a faggot, parroting opinions he's learned from Jewtubers.

>>723562576
I played it when I was 5 and it felt tailored to my cognitive capability

Red/Blue = Demon's Souls
Gold/Silver = Dark Souls
Ruby/Sapphire = Dark Souls 2
Diamond/Pearl = Dark Souls 3

>>723552012 (OP)
>>worst map
How so?
>>worst and most unmemorable new Pokemon
All the iconic pokemon designs come from gen 1+2
>>worst balance
Who cares, the game is fun
>>worst progression
Dont act like the sequels have any better progression
>>retards still call it the best because WAOH TWO MAPS!!!
People are calling it the best because Gen 2 was a technical marvel that can run on the original gameboy. Gen 2 was the last time where Pokemon were innovating as a vidya franchise

>>723564328
I've seen no problems with gen 1. Gen 2 is when all the autists come out.

>>723563728
>google it
>only source is /vp/
kek.

>>723556713
>3/4 annoying crybaby bitches
>soul
nah

>>723563728
I'll trust the translation from lavacutcontent over your AIslop hallucination, thanks.

>>723572896
>I don't believe a real translation
>but I do believe a literally who on xitter

>first 10 posts are the same shit again
Getting more repetitive than Poketubers ngl

>>723573007
>"""real""" translation is from a /vp/edo using ChatGPT
No. Yesterday you fags were using the same translator to defend "gotta catch em all".

>>723552268
>Kanto
>Zoomers
Holy shit are boomers really this delusional? Shit is literally turning 30 next year.

>>723573007
>literally who
now i know you're a zoomer faggot

>>723566918
>typedo
>snubbull
>fucking girafarig
hahahahahaha no

>>723552012 (OP)
No lies found
Overrated slop and these threads are always the same

>>723555029
the proof is >>723563608
You probably werent around for it, or maybe you were too young. The second generation of pokemon games was marketed largely as "more pokemon for your pokemon", an extension to the pokemon wave. Gen 3 was marketed heavily, and this carries through to today among its fanbase, as the "better" version of pokemon. Team Magma and Aqua are "better" than team rocket. Groudon is "better" than cleffa. Gen 3 starters are "better" to Gen 2 and Gen 1 starters. Gen 3 exists in opposition to pokemon, intent on replacing it with a superior alternative. This drips through every level of the games marketing, and even seeps into its design. When rebuilding the pokemon engine, redefining pokemon stats for the addition of special defense, adding and removing a variety of moves both from learnsets and from the game entirely, and reworking how pokemon are coded to add for the addition of genders and shiny chances, should generation 2 have bothered adding the ability to trade pokemon forward from gen 1, let alone the immense struggle of trade backs? Of course, pokemon is pokemon. But should pokemon from the original pokemon series be allowed to be imported into gen 3? Of course not, they are inferior to gen 3.

>>723572185
4chan: GSC
Reddit: RSE

4chan: Dark Souls II
Reddit: Dark Souls III

4chan: Dragon Ball Super
Reddit: Hunter x Hunter

>>723574254
>4chan: Dragon Ball Super
>Reddit: Hunter x Hunter
for me its yyh

>>723574254
No one actually likes gsc

>>723555506
Put B2W2 up somewhere in LUDO, DP down into bottom of Blegh anf you have a factually accurate tier list.

>>723574412
>post numbers
oh no
no no no no
ahahahah

Anyone here played Pokemon Gold '97?
I think it is a pretty good romhack. Basically trying to recreate the "original beta" game based the assets leaked from the Spaceworld '97 demo ROM

>>723574412
fucking kek
gen 2 threads are 99% shitposting so i'm not surprised

>>723552012 (OP)
Gen 1 was always better.

>>723555506
>colosseum
>XD
>no stadium
wtf anon. Playing Red on my TV felt cool as fuck

>>723554245
pokemon soul died with gen 6 and 3D
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0rmV70idlR4

>>723575940
did you actually play stadium, like beating gym leader castle and all the cups without spamming psychic with mewtwo and alakazam?

>>723576673
I believe I did as a kid, yeah, but I might have used Mewtwo. Mostly me and my brother played a shit ton of the minigames

What's the best Pokemon game that isn't a Pokemon game? I want to play a creature collector but they're all Pokemon-lite and that's boring.

>>723577158
that's boring but still way more than what most kids did

>>723552012 (OP)
Go fuck yourself, Joe

>>723577271
castlevania aria of sorrow

>>723577361
3 > 4 > 5 > 1 > 7 > 9 > 6 > 8 >>>>>>>> 2

>>723552012 (OP)
Special mention to Stadium 2 for being such a perfect companion to gen 2 and for being much more of a complete experience compared to Stadium 1.

People shitting on gen 2 are retarded zoomers that grew up with gen 6~9.

>>723577834
>that grew up
they didn't, they're still inmature

>>723562020
FRLG was the return to form, actually.
:^)

>>723552116
there's nothing to do in kanto, even in the remakes

>>723574412
Could the guy admitting to falseflagging be falseflagging??? ...nah

>>723577361
>>723577543
5>=4>3>>2>1>>7>6>>9>>>>8
diamond and pearl are fucking shit but get bailed out by HGSS and Platinum

>>723552012 (OP)
Imagine getting filtered this hard by the caves.

>>723577834
They're normalfags who grew up with gen 1 and zillennials who started with gen 3-4. Gen 2 is the middle child no one cares to remember.

>>723553192
3? Ok so last time I checked there were only 8 gyms... Do you get when we sah maps we mean region with 8 gyms and shit, don't you, faggot?

Idf Johto was bad at any of these things the newer games need to improve a LOT to become Shit tier.

Ah you had 3 gyms with lower levels cause you had the option to take them in any order and they fucked up in that.

Smal mistake. The new games have the ENTIRE THING WRONG. There is nothing close to whitney's miltank in any game gen 6 onwards.

Who cares if they didn't power crept everything.
They should have maintained that power budget on mons till today. You are praising crap.

And even then if it's too old for you Heart Gold Soul Silver are great.

I still prefer gen 5 despite some of the flaws but
The best games in the franchise are OBJECTIVELY

HGSS and BW2 they never even got close to half the quality AND content AND fun AND design AND character and everything these 2 had.

>>723578849
shitney's miltank is hard if you forget fury cutter exists, the machop trade, that geodude exists, that x items exist, what setting up is etc.

the hardest main game fight is undeniably brock in yellow. ultra necrozma in usum also requires some semblance of strategy.

>>723577361
2 > 5 > 1 > 3 > 4 > 6 > 9
never played 7 or 8

>>723552268
Zoomers hate gen 1 and 2 though. Most zoomers started with gen 4.

>>723580231
I'm a zoomer (98)
My first game was Leaf Green, and then Ruby, and then Crystal.
Gen 2 is still my favorite to this day

>>723552952
I'd argue gen 5 was the highest point.

>>723580461
We get it, you're a contrarian and nobody in your class liked you.

>>723580751
nah, I had plenty of friends with whom I played Pokémon. We even organized some small tournaments. But eventually, some of us moved on. I know two of them are still playing Pokémon to this day. One of them even sent me a message for the first time in years, back when the Switch 2 came out. It was just him trying to scalp me. I just blocked him and bought a new one for the MSRP at a local store

>>723554584
Didn't Iwata have to swoop in and personally fix gen2?

>>723581109
No one cares about how you liked the game that came before when everyone is playing the current gen game.

>op is actually a GSChad and is pretending to hate it so next time someone genuinely hates those games anons will think it's this thread's OP
machiavellian, i kneel fellow GSChad

>>723582017
see >>723574412

>>723574412
Dead internet theory.

>>723552012 (OP)
Reminder that GSC hate is likely manufactured by a handful of Poketuber e-celebs on behalf of Game Freak so that they have an excuse to never have to remake the best games in the series, bcause they know a new remake would not live up to GSC and HGSS's legacy and would be the final straw for oldgen fans to never buy a new Pokemon game ever again.

>>723583156
falseflag post

>>723552012 (OP)
>>worst map

>>723583341
Legendaries appearing in the middle of a hallway route was when they went over the line. Gen 5 was a mistake.

>>723583156
>>723583341
>>723583453
samefag

>>723583341
Yawnfag found the thread boys!

>>723583156
trvke

I recently replayed g/s and honestly I don't know where people are coming from with worst map because I much prefer johto to both gen 3 water routes and gen 4 mt coronet stuff

>>723583156
This is one of the most schizo things I've ever seen but there's some truth to it.

Pokemon gameplay content on Youtube a decade ago was fucking atrocious and mind-numbingly stupid. It was mostly lets plays, randomizers and top 10 lists. People only put HGSS at the top only because it had following Pokemon. When battling and challenge runs got popular, Johto was seen in a different light.

>>723584072
There was more of a focus on filling out the dex. But I'm gonna be real, I don't know anyone who cared about that shit. You make a team of 6, beat the champion, call it a day. Back in the day we just collected cards.

>>723553256
>halo 3 instead of halo 2
shit list

>>723561295
I feel like there was a valuable lesson in there for you but idk what is was

>>723562639
I think people forgot these leaders also had different typings than Kanto to fill in for the remaining types that weren't used yet.

>>723587723
No one forgot, they just had shit teams and hated using their region's Pokemon.

claude status?

>>723552012 (OP)
Why do zoomers hate gen 2 so much?

>>723589717
sour grapes

>>723589717
because they can't accept the fact that is when the franchise peak and they were not there to live it.

>>723583156
I'm almost inclined to believe this, considering so many other companies want you to forget the good things ever happened (and if they did, it was actually always shit), so it's easier to ram the infinite dogshit down your throat. The biggest problem, though, is that e-celebs are also very frequently, faggy enough to just do it for free.

>>723590462
You're delusional if you think ecelebs care about changing the minds of faggots here of all places. They have their own public platform to do that. Channels with only a few thousand subscribers have a bigger reach than /v/ or /vp/ do.

>>723589717
They're Unovafags lashing out because everyone hated their gen.

>>723589717
Half of these are gen 1 fags doebeit

Why do we even have these threads? Has one single person's mind been changed from any of this discussion ever?
You're not going to convince me that GSC aren't boring as fuck just like I'm not going to convince you I'm not some youtube drone. This specific argument of calling someone the youtube zoomer has been going on for 5 years.

>>723592221
it's the same schizos parroting the same talking points about day night cycle and how everyone totally cared about backwards compatibility and you so had to be there tm in the first 20 posts

MUSIC, guys, why has no one talked about the music??? G/S was the musical peak of the series in addition to everything else it has going for it.
Just absolutely beautiful compositions, maxing the fuck out of that little dingy GBC speaker.

>>723592815
So true sister
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1Ndgt8Nwrtw

>>723592221
>You're not going to convince me that GSC aren't boring as fuck just like I'm not going to convince you I'm not some youtube drone
while you're right in that we'll never convince each other, what else do you want to do? discuss the new game?

>>723592941
lol
but in case anyone thinks you're serious --
https://youtu.be/rWwyIee0GwE?si=UNY-DGiLywB_d29e
honestly prefer the non-remastered version, just so incredibly pretty

even the starting town track
https://youtu.be/2y9qGM17SpM?si=uWylSzkA03PcP_Yz
just pretty, and with a surprising amount of emotional depth

>>723592941
unironically starting to grow on me
>heavily dissonant because of the transcendant power of dragons
>the little tinkling polyrythm section sounding like the random patterns raindrops make dripping off of the roof, maybe like water dripping off of stalactites

>>723552012 (OP)
>TWO MAPS!!!

>>723554245
Best champ.

>>723557532
>>best artstyle
Gen 3 is where Pokemon really started to fall behind in terms of graphics. GSC look great for GBC games, but RSE are fairly mid as far as GBA goes.

>>723594135
>starting to grow on me
aka cope
it's just like how toiletgatr is "starting to grow" on /vp/edos

>>723564115
>Gen 2 has better colors
>Gen 3 killed fat pikachu
Really was anti-soul

>>723552012 (OP)
You will never get me to dislike gen2, vile TPCi shill.

>>723595757
grow up

>>723595854
Kys soulless shill

>>723595903
grow up manchild

>>723552012 (OP)
The worst thing about gen 2 by far is that my crystal cartridge doesn't work anymore because the battery failed

>>723552012 (OP)
The only people who like gen 2 are 37 years old and live in their mom's basement scalping Charizard cards on Twitch

>>723596053
I'm actually 33 years old and live in my dad's basement, checkmate retard

>>723591719
I mean they do it for rage clicks.

>>723596053
33 and i live in my own apartment with mortgage paid off, my fav gen is 5 but i see what TPCi shills are doing, getting paid to slander gen2 because pokémon actively refuses to live up to that standard ever again, so i am here to ruin their parade.
>>723595903
You start faggot, do a flip.

>>723596229
Meant for>>723595975

>>723582017
you might be onto something

>>723552012 (OP)
>i posted it again
just proving once again that these games are simply the best pokemon games ever created

>>723596229
You make a living scalping cards on Whatnot? Grow the fuck up and let the kids play with them nigger.

>>723596507
I'm not letting any kid in my path play pokémon, holy fuck.

>game intended for kids from 6-8
>being played by overweight 30 year old virgins
>developers are constantly harassed to add more "sexy anthros" for the overweight transfurs
>children characters in the game are immediately turned into fetish material
>3 million view videos explaining why the gameplay is bad from an adult-man perspective

>>723596668
Plan B is slander huh.

>>723596668
Pokemanchildren should dilate and kill themselves already. This series died with gen 1 after Pokemania.

>>723596668
It's basically political grifting but more retarded. Post ragebait about something stupid and watch the millions of views come in from unemployed crusty 30 year olds with the EQ of 10 year olds.

>worst map
What's wrong with the map? Even without Kanto, it's fine.

>>723554245
Has anyone talked about POKEMON BOX before?

>>723554915
>DP
Double penetration?

I fucking love Gen 2 bros

>>723597930
damn elm was retarded

>>723599442
He was just canonically huffing glue

>>723597930
It's soulmaxed

>>723565263
>sales argument
I guess McDonalds serves the best food.

>>723566918
Blaziken>Typedo
Sceptile>Meganium although I like both
Manectric>Houndoom
Absol>Umbreon
Gardevoir>Girafarig & Espeon
Spheal>Snubbull
Fug>Lugia
Regis>dogs

>>723572334
>All the iconic pokemon designs come from gen 1+2
Blaziken, Gardevoir, Lucario, Garchomp and Greninja are all iconic mons introduced after Gen 2.

>>723552012 (OP)
Just want to remind everyone that this sharty bait thread was posted yesterday and they had to remake it because it didn't get the amount of replies they wanted.
>>723529570

>>723593440
>what else do you want to do? discuss the new game?
Yes

>>723580186
Based Snoot poster with the good taste.

>>723602073
That's not sales? It's game rankings

>>723596668
So just because the games are made for kids means they should be shit?

>>723602701
I meant to say game reviews aren’t trustworthy.

>>723552012 (OP)
>worst map
Eh, it's on par with Kanto. And there are far worse maps, like Hoenn with its whole eastern half flooded. Plus if maps are your selling point, then 2 is better than 1.

>worst and most unmemorable new Pokemon
Yes, unmemorable Pokemon like Typhlosion, Totodile, Feraligatr, Bayleef, Crobat, Steelix, Slowking, Sudowoodo, Wobuffet, Azumarill, motherfucking SCIZOR, Heracross, Smeargle, Miltank, Espeon, Umbreon, Kingdra, Gligar, Skarmory, Houndoom, Sneasel, Blissey, Suicune, Tyranitar, Ho-Oh, and Lugia. And those are just the standouts.

>worst balance
No. That would be gen 1 with Psychic type. Gen 2 was a strict improvement.

>worst progression
Only good point

>>723552012 (OP)
It's a programming masterpiece if you compare what it could do with the 8 bit gameboy to what pokemon is doing now with the switch.

>>723602490
It's either a guy summoning the johto schizo or the johto guy samefagging himself, similar to how barneyfag would post "bait" for himself then reply to it. You can see he started dumping his folder here >>723553157 shortly after the thread began. He spergs about gen 2 and gen 5 on /vp/ for hours on end and lately on /v/ as well.
I hate how half the threads are filled with the same few fags carrying an autistic agenda across threads nowadays. We really really need thread IDs to at least make it slightly harder to samefag.

>>723603409
It's not just one guy, there's coordinated groups of shitposters who dedicate their lives to shitting up Pokemon discussion on the vidya boards. They got exposed on /vp/ years ago and then they moved to the sharty. The sharty even had a wiki article on how to troll /vp/ before that got shut down.

>>723580650
>triple battles
>actually challenging gym leaders
>soulful 2.5d graphics and artstyle that still hold up today
>actually forcing you to make a team with the new dex instead of stubbornly picking your favorites from prev gens
hard to argue against even for a gen 3 lover like me

I love this game

>>723603409
>>723603651
I post in these threads sometimes and I'm not part of any of those shitposting groups. What I truly find sad is how adults well into their 30s seethe about games they are not the target audience for anymore. Also the faggots who post like they're ragebaiting on Twitter instead trying to have a discussion are just pathetic.

>>723603409
These threads are created by the same few Johto schizos to samefag for the first few posts. It's always the same images with the same exact thoughts.

>>723562924
Emeralds animations look worse than crystal's animations, let that sink in.

https://youtu.be/JC3uTUvzo0E

>>723553157
Johtochads always winning with their superior artstyle, music, and locales.

>>723603374
Gen 2 has fucking horrible balance. The most viable strategy is Leftovers and Rest spam while Snorlax is basically a requirement on every team. This leads to every match being an unfun stall hell. Gen 1 is unbalanced but way more fun to play.

>>723553157
>>723604687
samefag

>>723554245
The settings weren't as good and the art in my opinion didn't look as soulful. Having no day/night was really just a mistake. It made the world feel more legitimate in G/S. Honestly May wasn't great either. Steve was based. R/S had more mysterious elements in it which was cool.

>>723604826
How do I make my bait less obvious?

>>723604826
crackhead

>>723578061
kanto is just pokemon. you talk to trainers and battle them, same as in johto, same as in every other game

this criticism has always been nonsensical. it's not like no-one is in kanto and there are no patches of grass and no trainers. maybe then I'd understand it, but that's not reality

>>723583156
I do think that inside gamefreak they feel kind of mad that gsc exists because it really does make everything they've made since look like shit. it's existence proof that they could make good pokemon games if they felt like it, and they're probably resentful that they have to be compared to that standard

>>723605212
>it really does make everything they've made since look like shit
Is that why they sidelined Legends Johto for Kalos for ZA?

>>723604918
>Honestly May wasn't great either.
Shes fucking dogshit. The ultimate driving goal of the gen 3 rival is to reach lilycove mall from littleroot town and go shopping, and then return home and retire. She does not care about pokemon beyond their ability to be taught HMs required to traverse hoenn. You last fight her shortly after getting your 6th badge and she never fully evolves her starter.

>>723552012 (OP)
It actually is one of the most balanced games in the series when it comes to relative monster strength in the singleplayer campaign

>>723605367
bait

>>723554245
I like a lot of things about gen 3 but they really, REALLY fucked up the looks in that gen. Mainly the colors. Everything got standardized around the GBA's fuckawful unlit screen so every sprite was a washed out mess designed to be viewed in the dark.
Look at this shit. Even Hoenn Pokemon look better in Gen 2 style.

You know, once upon a time people actually liked multiple generations of Pokemon.

>>723605454
Gen 2 Beautifly looks unnaturally dark and saturated. Nosepass's gen 3 pose is just weird.

>>723605454
and lest we forget this fucking tragedy

>>723552012 (OP)
>>723553563
>day/night cycle
Unfff.... SOVL....

>>723605450
when every mon is shit no mon is shit

there are special cases like unown but those are outliers

>Pokefags still continue to attack Gen 2 because it's still generally beloved in the fanbase and it pisses them off that it doesn't adhere to their personal requisites for what a Pokemon game should be
>this autistic raging continues to happen whenever Game Freak use a Johto Mon in a new game and gives it a new evo or mega
Just a typical day I guess.

>>723604729
Gen 2 is only stall hell by smogon rules that ban any counterplay to stall, and keep snorlax in OU when by any metric it should be moved to ubers. Stadium format (3x3 between) was more typical of actual pvp, and the problem of stat bloat could be easily solved if the baseline level for pvp was level 30 or even 50 instead of level 100. (Level 10 makes dragon rage the meta)

>>723605950
>implying any of the people spamming genwar threads here are actual Pokemon fans

>>723605367
>>723605943
The balance got better as the games progressed. Gen 2 was still when most movesets were horrible and most of the new "good" mons got their good moves too late in the game. Like Heracross is stuck using Normal moves until it gets Reversal at 44. Espeon doesn't get Confusion with the gift Eevee so you're stuck with Tackle and Swift until 36. Meanwhile the same old mons like Fearow and Kadabra are good throughout.

>>723554245
Even as a young child, I could feel myself enjoying it significantly less than the first two gens. I've come to appreciate Emerald a significant amount as the years went by, but all the Hoenn games have weak endgames, a huge amount of shitmons, and a large amount of slow frail mixed attackers for some reason. Too much water lives rent free in the fanbase's heads because it's true, regardless on if it makes sense thematically.

>>723606246
I wonder how much of that data is skewed by cross-gen evos. Gen 3 was basically a soft reset and a standalone dex with a few gen 2 babies. But gen 4 is notorious for having a shitton of them.

>>723553909
luv me little adventurers

>>723554992
A cold hard truth I've stuck to is not giving a shit about numbers. Though even still, I'll still check natures, just because a nature that hurts your offense never feels good. Otherwise the less you worry about IVs and EVs the better. I genuinely don't get why "hardcore nuzlocke" is a thing outside of people forcing themselves to play Pokemon so many times that they need to find weird and obtuse ways to enjoy playing the same games 400 times.

>>723552012 (OP)
Woah. Two maps.

>>723553157
The fight with Red alone is enough to make it the best Pokemon game.

>>723556713
Jasmine's design is so fucking funny to me. Whether it's the old
We or newer art, there's a strange amount of emphasis on her waist and hips. Even here, the dress is see through enough to see her silhouette under it.

>>723606595
>>723606675
>>723606749
samefag

>>723552012 (OP)
>I get my wrong opinions from youtubers

>>723552268
Leagues better than gen 1.

>>723606779
N-no...

>>723553157
Famitsu sisters... how do we counter this...? Do we call him a snoy or eric? Is deen behind this post?!

>>723553192
>paid dlc

>>723606461
Cross Gen evos definitely help, but Gen 4 is also the point where the games start to move towards Pokemon being a bit more min-maxed. Starraptor vs. any of the other starter birds is enough to show this. Also Gen 3 and 4 continued to have baby Pokemon, but nowhere near as many as 2, which still does pretty well in comparison.

>>723607071
crystal be like

>>723606213
The point is that on average the mons that actually fights each other during the singleplayer campaign are closer in strength to each other in strength than how it is in later gens. Strong spammable STABs are a rarity for most types. A Heracross spamming Strength with its very high base attack is gonna do just fine.

>>723554349
Nah, you still had access to all 386 via hacking. Gen 8 still holds the shame of not having access to all.

>>723607131
Not how it works, yawny.

>>723607137
>The point is that on average the mons that actually fights each other during the singleplayer campaign are closer in strength to each other in strength than how it is in later gens
not really? Levels barely increase from Ecruteak to Pryce, the game is a faceroll even by Pokemon standards. Any pokemon spamming anything will do fine because they're 5-10 levels higher than the opponent.

goated
>g1
>g2
>g3 and g1 remakes

I grew up and stopped playing pokemon so I don’t fucking care
>everything else

>>723607213
yawnie loves gen 2, sharty

>be fat retard
>hate GODto
many such cases

>>723607257
It's considered an act of insanity to talk about yourself in the third person.

>>723607319
meds

>>723607257
>dat damage control
Kalos and Galar are still not good.

get a life pokeniggers

>>723606959
I am confuse

>>723607228
Level curve is its own thing, I'm moreso talking about the strength of the pokemon species themselves.

coughing baby vs. coughing baby is a more balanced matchup than hydrogen bomb vs. coughing baby.

gsc is way better than hgss

>>723603374
>Eh, it's on par with Kanto
Jonto is more linear than Kanto. If you go to Nugget Bridge before Misty you can instead go to Vermillion to do the SS Anne quest and grab the HM early before heading back, then later when you clear Rock Tunnel you are free to tackle the remaining areas in almost any order with the map having lots of shortcuts to make heading back to previous locations easy, and the map even loops around back to Pallet town so you can quickly get back to Viridian for the 8th gym badge incase you missed fly.

Johto on the other hand is simply choosing to go left or right with no relevant looping paths and one shortcut back to that one town next to New Bark so you can get to the league faster.

Don't even get me started on how fucking awful gen 2's dungeons are. The difference between Viridian Forrest/Mt. Moon and Union Cave/Ilex Forrest is like night and day. Don't even want to mention the travesty known as gen 2's Victory Road.

>No. That would be gen 1 with Psychic type. Gen 2 was a strict improvement.
Normal and Psychic types still rape and gape everything in their path in a regular playthrough of GSC with Kadabra still being regarded as one of the best mons to use. There is also the repurchasable elemental punches that pass the 60 BP coverage bench mark. If you mean competitive then you're a retard because Gen 2 has one of the most aids metas.

>>723605989
>Gen 2 is only stall hell by smogon rules that ban any counterplay
Outside of universal bans nothing that stops stall is hit. GF themselves nerfed both of Snorlax's biggest counterplay, evasion and OHKO moves, and is why he is so strong.

>Stadium format (3x3 between) was more typical of actual pvp,
Yes, and Snorlax was still the defacto best mon there too. Literally has several official tournament wins and you can even find old jap forum posts bitching about him.

>>723607971
mt. mortar was the biggest disappointment in any pokemon game

>>723607882
HGSS is dragged down hard by the gen 4 engine. I can't stand how slow and laggy everything is

>>723608118
Gen 4/HGSS just copied gen 2's engine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFkCu4c2XVw

>go to a town
>skip the gym for no reason
>come back to it later
>every Pokemon game is now "nonlinear"

>>723608184
>gen 1 and 3 are the fastest
And that's how the good games do it.

>>723608184
I don't really care about how long it takes to kill a level 200 blissey which never happens in-game. I care about the tiny pauses every time you open or close a menu, enter or leave a building, encounter a pokemon, pick a move, watch an animation play, interact with anything, etc.
Even walking into and out of towns has a tiny stutter iirc, maybe that was gen 5

>>723608356
>tiny pauses
That happens in every Pokemon game
The point of the video is the slow HP scrolling is from gen 2, not just gen 4

>>723608418
it's literally gen 4 apologist propaganda. the engine is fucking SLOW as fuck retard. in practice you will spend more time watching health bars drain than every other pokemon game put together. dipshit inbred retard

>>723605950
Feraligatr is a joke Pokemon that’s not even as popular as its baby form. Every other Water starter is more popular than it besides Quaquaval.

>>723554485
Gen 5.

>>723608492
>it's gen 4 propaganda because gen 2 had the same bug and is slower
Take your meds faggot

>>723608497
it's not even a good jokemon like mega starmie, it's just retarded

>>723608632
>this 4bab copium video proves i'm right!
retard. gen 4 engine is shit. hgss is shit. it's not up for debate you fucking gay boy

>>723608497
Totodile line looks good in its own games, got ruined in Gen 3, and never recovered. It's been downhill from there. Many such cases, especially when they moved to full 3D and all the flying types got fucked up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE-BfsFgZVM
Why was gen 2 built like diarrhea dogshit?

>>723608838
now imagine playing a battle with a friend like that with fucking softboiled and rest and double leftovers proc every turn

>>723552012 (OP)
you're right

discard the opinion of kids younger than me
i was calling best buy weekly asking if they had the release date for "pocket monsters" yet
i was just into it earlier, and i deem gen 2 and 8 as the worst generations

>>723608838
This is an intentional effect though. The game caps at a super low level so by the time the HP bar is slow you're already fighting the champion and it feels epic to see the bar slowly chip away, like oh shit they have so much HP.

>>723608975
Yeah, so intentional they accidentally made the gen 1 HP bars fast beforehand.

>>723608224
>play open world game
>only go to places the main story tells me to go
>main story never tells me to explore
>every open world game is now "linear"

>>723609038
Yeah, which proves they intentionally changed it

>>723609219
Kek
What's more likely is they implemented it differently during gen 2's fucked up development cycle

>>723607971
>Ignores almost every point to sperg about Gen 2 being non-linear, but not non-linear enough
Gen 1's map and progression were a confusing mess, having to catch arbitrary numbers of mons and find random ass aides and NPCs to progress the story/map.

>>723552012 (OP)
>>worst map
>>worst and most unmemorable new Pokemon
>>worst balance
>>worst progression
BW
Litrally how can anyone say these things about any other pokemon game when bw exist?

>>723609339
Gen 1 did it way better. The towns were interconnected much better and the gym leader levels scaled up instead of remaining the same.
>catch arbitrary numbers of mons and find random ass aides and NPCs to progress the story/map.
The only thing that tripped me up back then was the Saffron guards. Otherwise none of those are required to progress. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to make you explore and talk to NPCs, don't you advocate for that in gen 2?

>>723609219
Hi Yawnie

>>723609519
It's 100% Paldea
>Litrally
Oh you're ESL

>>723609714
>ESL can't tell tell difference between mystype and spelling mistake
Pottery

>>723609768
>mystype
Please take an ESL class

>>723609768
masterful bait or actual retard? i can't tell lol

>>723609768
>tell tell difference
>mystype
Unova schizos are brown? "Color" me surprised!

>>723552268
>Zoomer
How the fuck is gold/silver zoomer? you braindead nigger. Those retards were barely out of their mothers cunts

>>723609891
I stopped after Yellow because it was obvious it turned into corporate consoomer slop. Anything after gen 1 is Zoomer shit for all I care.

>>723606779
No way fag. I am the lolichad in chief.