Thread 723610996

This game is fucking awesome. Probably even better than CT.

Why did you all lie to me for so many years?

>CT:
Snappy pacing and does a good job of immersing the player in the story as it's happening.
>CC
Slow paced and nearly half the plot happens before the game even begins, with it being told to the player later via text dump instead of shown to them firsthand.

The combat ruins it for me, same with the cast, they tried to do too much and none of it was needed.

I'm convinced some of you fetishize unpopular games, you see them as "alternative" hidden gems and you idolize them. The same way posters on /tv/ become completely infatuated with ugly/mid actresses, like Maisie Williams from Game of Thrones.

>omg I'm doing the universe such a favor by liking this shitty game, I can literally see beyond 2 decade old popular opinion!!!!!!

>>723610996 (OP)
>Probably even better than CT.
hmmm... nyo

>>723610996 (OP)
Jrpgs are actually a complicated subject, despite being very popular, so it can be difficult to judge a game by somebody else's experience. I've always been a fan of Cross, even though my first playthrough was a bit confusing and disappointing in a couple ways.

>>723610996 (OP)
>Chrono Cross better than anything
Thanks for showing all of /v/ that you have shit taste, but no one asked.

Trigger lovers are still butthurt about the twist to this day. Having played this first I was able to enjoy the kino without being upset that my heckin comfort characters died.

>>723610996 (OP)
CC is great as a tech demo of the PS1's hardware being pushed to the absolute limit. The problem is they didn't have a good story to tell and the characters have the depth of a funkopop. Magus got cucked out of his life's purpose and CT's happy ending is subverted in the most crass way imaginable.

the battle music is pure dogshit

>>723610996 (OP)
It's always been GOATed.

>>723614086
Name a better video game OST than Chrono Cross.

>>723610996 (OP)
it's fucking dogshit

>>723614087
Most people grow out of their nihilism phase. CC was never going to age well. Same thing with most anime produced in that time period. Probably also why gurm won't finish his books.

>>723610996 (OP)
i think its kinda cute how this keeps happening

>>723614230
Better video game OST?
What happened to you saying "this game is fucking awesome?"
Guess you concede it's not a good game and only the OST is good.
Yes Chrono Cross has a decent sountrack, and that soundtrack is completely ruined by the DOGSHIT game attached to it.
That said, Chrono Cross doesn't even have the best video game OST on PS1.
Chrono Cross doesn't even have the best PS1 JRPG OST (Tales of Phantasia or even FF7 mog the shit out of it)
Chrono Cross belongs in the bargain bin where I got tricked into paying 5 bucks for it in 2002 before throwing it in the trash.

>>723614345
You can't just call something nihilism because you don't like it.

>>723614192
This. Worst main battle theme in a jrpg. Most of the content consists of character recruitment where most of the characters don't have any development. Combat is glacial. Too many steps back from CT. Valkyrie Profile, Suikoden, and the Saga Frontier games are better large party roster jrpgs from the same period.

>>723614516
I don't think Chrono Trigger is bad, but it kind of loses the plot halfway through the game.

>>723614746
It has the best first half of any ps1 rpg, then it shits itself in its attempts at tying itself back into chrono trigger.

>>723614917
>It has the best first half of any ps1 rpg
How? Because you've only played that one RPG?
Chrono Cross absolutely fails to hold the player's attention. Boring nothing burger plot and characters.

>>723614682
I never thought it was bad until other people started saying it, so as far as I'm concerned it's like people who say mint reminds them of eating toothpaste.
It's definitely not as cool as the FF games, it's kinda funky and surreal. Feverish.

>>723615124
Nah, it has a very strong beginning. Arni is beautiful and charming, and there's so many secrets/optional stuff to find there right at the start that a lot of people probably don't even know about all of it. The NPCs have multiple lines of dialogue, you can literally pursue sidequests in the first minutes of being in Arni.

>>723610996 (OP)
It stinks. It's got 50 playable characters with no personality on any of them, a retarded combat system with no depth and there are like 2 enemies in the entire game that could even conceivably kill you, and the story is insanely slow paced and nothing happens. 99% of the plot is just people telling you about things that happened off screen.

>>723614230
>Name a better video game OST than Chrono Cross.
Hurricane is F tier dogshit and it's the song you hear by far the most in the game. The rest of the OST is largely good but hurricane alone disqualifies it from being anywhere near the #1 spot.

>>723615270
The problem is you said "it has the BEST first half of ANY PS1 rpg"
Do you care to retract that statement, or is your taste in storytelling just that horrible?

>>723615270
>The starting location is beautiful and there's side stuff you can do right out of the gate.
Yeah, I do know a better RPG that fits that on PS1

>>723610996 (OP)
The original new bad old good? Perhaps.

>>723613218
>how dare these people have first hand opinions instead of a pre-chewed youtuber hivemind consensus
faggot

>>723615826
I like how this only applies if you prefer Trigger despite the fact that YouTubers are on both sides.

>>723610996 (OP)
>Why did you all lie to me for so many years?
It carried that rep for years because CT fans rightfully despised it. On its own though it's a fantastic JRPG.

>>723615936
>On its own though it's a fantastic JRPG.
ehhh

as a kid I was too stupid to understand the combat system with the % and the colored bars... I didn't end up playing it that far because of that

>>723610996 (OP)
Some retards truly think is too complicated, other than that, the game is perfect.

>>723610996 (OP)
The plot is a clusterfuck(due to plans by Belthasar extending all the back to the Dinosaur ages that are pretty much "tell, but didn't show") that sends you off in two different directions depending on whether you want to save Kid or not and the game itself keeps giving you all sorts of characters that you barely even use because it tries to be like Suikoden but doesn't have the rows of characters the Suikoden games often use.

>>723615289
You just described Suikoden 2.

It's the perfect game to cap off the weird late 90s experimentation of games. The sheer balls to center your schizo story on one character and then giving the player the option to tell her to fuck off multiple times and ignore her for the rest of the game is nothing but genius.

>pre-rendered meme
Miss me with that shit

>>723616684
Yes, and?

>>723615601
Legend of Mana is an interesting mess which is infinitely better than a boring mess like Chrono Cross.

>>723610996 (OP)
I have had fun with Chrono Cross. Played it multiple times. It's faults are rather obvious. Battle system is not nearly as punchy. The battle theme is fucking terrible (the rest of the OST is amazing however). The final stretch of the game is fucking trassssssh (fetch quest between two worlds).

You can still have fun with a game and enjoy it but have complaints about it. I hope you have fun, anon.

>>723613218
What are you talking about? I think Outpost 2 and Deadlock 2 Shrine Wars are the best strategy games along with hidden gems like Birthright - The Gorgon's Alliance.

>>723610996 (OP)
Lucca a cute!!!!

>>723618015
Didn't save her from Dalton though.

>>723618015
She is canonically ugly and not attractive at all as is evident by Crono having had plenty of opportunities to hit that for like a decade of being friends with her yet he was never once interested in her romantically or sexually.

Love this little fella

Anon, how old are you?
If you have some experience in life you should have already realized that opinions do differ.
And never trust the opinions on this website in particular.

>>723610996 (OP)
But Nadia's bell will never be heard again...

>>723610996 (OP)
What the hell is that pink thing?

I really do love Chrono Cross but it has a lot of issues. Most of the party members suck, this is a huge issue post body swap because you have a horrible party for such a long time.

The plot is convoluted at best, nonsensical at worst. It's really intriguing till the end when it info dumps on you, I also really hate the ending. I hate the live action stuff.

>>723618753
Looks like some sort of dog

>>723618885
Well that's just no good, I can't fuck that.

>>723614230
>Name a better video game OST than Chrono Cross.
Most of the tracks sound like the titanic theme song because of mitsuda's obsession with that atrocious irish folk whistle instrument.

Also the battle theme is one of the worst in the genre.

>>723614187
>the characters have the depth of a funkopop
And the localization director Richard Honeywood gave them all terrible meme accents.

>>723619931
>OY, bruv aw YOU taykin' tha PISS widdat nickin' me fohckin' Materia nonsense again, Yuffie?
>I'll fuck ya up, swear on me mum, innit?

CT combat aged like wine
CC combat aged liked milk
CC deserves recognition for the stuff they added and tried, but it didn't age well at all.

>>723614917
I don't know, I know Wild ARMs 1 is a very simple game in terms of mechanics, but I feel like Wild ARMs is one of those games that feel very good from start to finish including optional content

>>723610996 (OP)
Can someone explain me how this game ruins CT's story?

>>723622683
I wouldn't say it "ruined CT" in any way because you can just ignore Chrono Cross' existence.
I would say however that Chrono Cross added NOTHING beneficial to what could have been a great "Chrono" series of future games considering how brilliant CT was and how much there was to build off the lore of CT.
CC was so bad that it cut that potential future off dead in its tracks and it never recovered.

TL;DR: CC didn't "ruin" CT, but it just didn't help in any way.

>>723615124
Nah the premis is incredibly strong and the mystery stays strong throughout the first half while moving you through diverse and interesting scenarios and constantly raising the stakes. The game's delivery of side content also to be commended. Like the other anon says as soon as finish the introductory dream sequence you already get to do side content and it's content that gives you access to playable characters. It's at the midpoint where the story loses its steam, you start having to retread content and the game becomes obsessed with rewriting CT's ending substitute its own.

>>723622891
What does this mean then? >>723614087

The Xbox version for Radical Dreamers actually has a game-breaking bug that was never fixed to this day, and I'd find that hilarious if it wasn't so fucking pathetic. You'd be better off probably emulating the original version and getting better performance.

I personally tested the "fix" for the bug and the game constantly crashed each time, and dozens of people have left poor reviews complaining about it. It's also disappointing because I was enjoying the game desu up until that point.

>>723610996 (OP)
Chrono Break never ever

>>723614516
Chrono Cross is in no way, shape, or form better than FFIX, and I would die on that hill every day of the week. Your image honestly comes off as obvious rage-bait and I'm simply falling for it, even if you made it in earnest, most people would believe you made it because it would get obvious (You's)

Giving Masato Kato full reign over the story was a gigantic mistake. In Trigger, he was counterbalanced by an entire team of actual legends. Both Cross and the Shevat segment of Xenogears have exactly the same style of meandering, esoteric, overwritten pseud writing that is completely insufferable.

>>723623380
That's just one idiot's opinion who thinks that people only dislike the atrocious Chrono Cross because a character died, when in reality people disliked it because it's a piece of dogshit game that brought the quality of any potential "Chrono" series down to trash levels, and killed any future it had for being so ass.

>>723623872
who died?

>>723623892
I think Schala (Magus' sister)?
Can't remember right it's been a long LONG time since I played that piece of shit, but honestly who gives a shit.
A character death is not the reason Chrono Cross sucks ass.

>>723610996 (OP)
the only good thing about this game was it's soundtrack, everything else was shit

>>723623892
Robo gets introduced with his serial number so only CT diehards know who it is and then dies a textbox later. It was pretty funny.

>>723615601
>mfw fucked myself with no water slots on the map

>>723610996 (OP)
Having Chrono in the name was the problem.

>>723624078
Would have sucked no matter what the title was.
Was not a good game.
Simple as.

>>723624026
what the actual fuck, that sounds spiteful
>>723623953
nyoooo, dogshit game

>>723610996 (OP)
It was like whoever created it wanted it to have little connection to Chrono Trigger, but then the higher ups ordered him to make more connections so he shat all over the cast from CT and made some abrupt convoluted plot dumps in the latter half.

It's still a pretty good jrpg but that's not a high bar.

>>723615270
>>723623132
>Nah
>strong
Nah you're a samefagging delusional nostalgia tard.

>>723610996 (OP)
This game is only good due to kid and harle, and the most is nice
Everything other than that sucks.

>>723613218
Not OP but have you ever considered that people actually have different tastes than you?

I really hate the divide the internet created between Trigger and Cross fans. I borrowed CT on the SNES from a classmate in elementary school and bought CC on release in middle school. They are both great companion pieces and engaging individual games. I didn't realize "Trigger fans hate Cross" was the general consensus until the days of gaming forums but even back then it wasn't as exaggerated.

>>723624268
Yeah, man. Here's the scene: https://youtu.be/mdb9NvT9eR8?si=jycKmde_cROEkG8Y&t=260. idk why they did this it doesn't really add anything to that plot.

As far as I can remember only Robo and Lucca dies in Cross. The game makes sure to give you a tl;dr explanation that the ghost kids you see aren't actually the CC cast every time you see them, It's just some wacky metaphor for dead timelines or some shit.