Thread 723631041

I see people still talk about Ico and Shadow of the Colossus these days but nobody ever mentions The Last Guardian. Was it a bad video game? Does it not have any connections with his other 2 games?

>>723631041 (OP)
>Does it not have any connections with his other 2 games?
Ico and SotC are related?

>>723631041 (OP)
>Was it a bad video game?
Not at all, if anything it mogs Ico.
>Does it not have any connections with his other 2 games?
Like every other Ueda game there's a shared universe but no direct connection.

>>723631041 (OP)
It was too late for the party, when the Sony audience changed dramatically from the PS2 days, and they didn't port it anywhere

>>723631041 (OP)
It's pretty good if you liked Ico.
I think people were let down that it was basically Ico 2 instead of SotC 2, and also all the hype building around it's long dev time inevitably led to disappointment.

>>723631041 (OP)
It's a good game and I like it a lot. Performance issues.

>>723631123
lol n00b

>>723631041 (OP)
SotCfags hate it because it's not a flashy action game.
Fake Icofags hate it because you don't get any gamer cred for pretending to like it.
Real Icofags are the only ones who like it and we're a dying breed

>>723631041 (OP)
Anon you have to understand this game took 10 years to come out.
A lot of people were hyped but a ton more had already moved on.

>>723631041 (OP)
the last guardian is unironically the best game ever made, but it simply asks something of the player that 99% of players are not capable of giving or willing to give nowadays. INCLUDING me when I first played it. and it's not just something like "patience". when last guardian released, I thought I understood ueda, but it I didn't. at the time it felt like a 6/10 to me. it wasn't until I replayed it again a couple years later with a different mindset that I started to understand it. and a couple of weeks ago I loaded it up again because I wanted to find inspiration for my own art in it and its sheer beauty caused a lump in my throat.
pretty much anything I say about what the game asks of the player will sound like I'm trying to handwave away a broken system or something, but truly you just gotta be willing and 100% buy into the idea that trico is a real animal. if you spam commands at him he'll get overwhelmed, if he doesn't see you when you give a command then he doesn't know what to do, basically you gotta see him as more than just an "AI companion for solving puzzles". there's a reason why you can pull out spears from him and clean his feathers of blood even though this has zero actual ramifications. but beyond that, you also have to be willing to sometimes just stop and observe him to truly get it. like, the last time I loaded up last guardian it was as I said in search of inspiration, but since I'm learning 3D modeling and drawing I was also going into the game again with an interest in just looking at everything in insane detail and just stand still and observe. that goes for trico too. like near the start of the game there's this part where he sets loose a bunch of trash sitting at the edge of a cliff, and he navigates it carefully. you typically run ahead in this situation as you have to lead him, so you might not even see how carefully he navigates that part of you're just looking to progress and play the game like "just a game".

also I just want to say how fucking much I hate it that I can't prevent my ps5 from trying to update the game (which locks into 30fps) unless I literally take it off the internet completely. even if I cancel the download of the update once, it'll just attempt to do it again and again, and worst of all, you have to completely reinstall the game if it succeeds in updating.

>>723632729
You vill own NOTHING
WE know what's best for you

>>723631241
>painting from 1913 perfectly fits as a phone background
neat

I NEED MORE STORY KINO

also I want to add that anyone whose first impulse when they saw the new game was "omg what's the shadow of the colossus connection!?!?" is a massive retard who doesn't care about ueda games and is just a pop culture obsessed subhuman

>>723631041 (OP)
the last guardian was excellent. both it and gravity rush 2 were the swansongs of sony's more diverse creative output.

>>723632729
whats wrong with the update?

>>723633243
read my post. it locks the game to 30fps. the unpatched game has unlocked frame rate.

>>723631041 (OP)
>Was it a bad video game?
Yes.

his new mech game is actually SotC2 in the future.

>>723632426
> trico is a real animal. if you spam commands at him he'll get overwhelmed, if he doesn't see you when you give a command then he doesn't know what to do,
Is this true? I remember journalists trashing the game because the creature didnt respond to commands.

>>723631959
bsd

>>723634646
yes it is true.
literally in the same way that yorda was too scared to jump down a ledge with ico far from her, but when ico gets close she finds the courage to jump because she feels safer.

>>723631041 (OP)
Project Robot when...

>>723631041 (OP)
1. It's good but not as good.
2. Horrible framerate on PS4
3. The concept is weird.

>>723634734
Thats pretty cute

>>723634938
It's a cute ass game.

>>723634646
Button mashing commands will fuck up his AI and make him confused which consequently meant that 90% of gamers got filtered
Luckily they thought of that so if you scold him it resets the AI
https://youtu.be/KppmOzZKusg?si=DcC_ajlaFw6uEQke

>>723631959
Harsh, still I played through Ico like three times, SotC four times and The Last Guardian five or six times, I can't remember, I wanted to see how many times that choker pendant would change.
I really love The Last Guardian, there is some sort of nostalgia too it that not many games can re-produce.

>>723631041 (OP)
If I remember they spent a lot of years developing this game, so the people when came out lost the initial hype , and when finally came out everyone was expecting something more

>>723631041 (OP)
It's possibly my favorite game of all time, or at the very least top ten. I rate it higher than SotC by a pretty large margin.
I used to take care of animals so I never saw Trico's stubbornness (or bad programming, if you're feeling cynical) that bad. It reminded me of working with animals, who rarely listen to you at first, but with patience, can be taught to work with you. And the ending was perfect. It's rare, especially these days, to find games so perfectly paced, with a solid beginning, middle, and end. I felt like TLA was solid throughout. Not that either Ico or SotC had that problem' Ueda games are good all around in that regard.

But yeah, as others have said, it's not perfect, and it has some pretty dumb performance issues. It still stuck with me MUCH more than any other game in the past ten or even twenty years.

>>72363104
It is a good game with a lot of flaws.
Runs poorly on the PS4, and has anti-soul giant controller prompts, which you can't turn off.
Not as pretty as ICO despite being on massively more powerful hardware and huge dev time.
Game feels like it had troubled development and just got ultimatum rushed out the door.
Still good just not as good as the first two.

>>723631041 (OP)
I just thought the ending was cheap. I wouldn't recommend a movie about a kid and his dog companion if the ending is just the kid having to watch his dog get mauled by pitbulls. Like what the fuck were they thinking. You can fuck right off with your shock value ending.

>>723632426
>>723634646
Agreed.

>is this true?
Mostly. I don't know if it was intentional or by accident, but they did manage to program Trico in such a way that he behaves really closely to a real animal. He's stubborn, he's easily distracted, he's not obligated to respond to you directly, and for anyone who has neither raised a kid nor properly trained an animal, these characteristics are incredibly frustrating. He's not designed like a video game creature, or a distinct mechanic at the player's complete control. But if you're willing to engage with Trico AS IF he's a real animal, his behavior, or lack thereof, makes much more sense. He gets better over time, as you build a bond with him, and this is represented both by his AI and the mechanics that open up. And if you give him time to "think" about what you want, and don't get too upset at his "mistakes", he becomes much more consistent.

I love Trico. Ending the game gave me the same feeling as saying goodbye to some of the animals I've worked with in real life. It was surreal to experience that kind of feeling with something I know is not real. Very few games have had that effect on me.

>>723635625
That's not the ending of the game.

>game came out 8 years ago
>people still haven't figured out how trico works

>>723635625
>ending is just the kid having to watch his dog get mauled by pitbulls
Oh hell no. I dont wanna play this anymore.

>>723636283
literally no other game will ever have ai as complex as trico. not even because it's hard to do, as it'll no doubt become easier in the future, but game designers simply don't care to do it or even know this a thing one could do because they lack the sensibilities for it

>>723636521
It's not. The ending is actually rather sweet. Well, more bittersweet, but it's not a bad ending. Game is well worth a play.

>>723632426
I can't play this game because I KNOW Trico will die.

>>723636918
he doesn't, and ueda was never about cheap gotchas like that to begin with

what is this thing anyway. Looks like a giant rat.

>>723631041 (OP)
It is a great comfy game but it runs at 15 fps at 480p resolution

>>723636283
Bullshit. How the fuck can a game still be unsolved after 8 years?

>>723636994
>Ueda was never about cheap gotchas like that
Motherfucking AGRO?

>>723637075
>Agro
Didn't die.

>>723636918
All pets die anon.

This game was underrated.

>>723637075
he's chilling

>>723635871
>>723636665
Yes it is lol. The dog gets mauled and you just have to watch him being torn apart. It's a shock value shitty ending and I don't care if the dog was pregnant and his puppies survived. It's still a cheap shock value ending.

>>723637120
It doesn't have to be that way.

>>723637057
>Bullshit. How the fuck can a game still be unsolved after 8 years?
tlg revolves around having to navigate an unreliable companion through a huge castle while the game shits itself due to an insane amount of ai and graphical calculations it has to do because of it, it's more that people just didn't want to bother

>>723637393
unironically why come here and shitpost

>>723631041 (OP)
i didnt have any issues with it. i only did 1 playthru

I'm sure I'd love it but it released long after I switched from consoles to PC. I'll never be able to justify buying a console in order to play an exclusive or two so it's likely I'll never play it until I can pick up a PS4 for like 50 bucks or something. I'm also worried it would run like shit.

>>723636918
>>723637708
>you WILL watch your beloved dog get gangr*ped
>b-but there's a post-credit scene!

>>723638125
Sensitive little bitch

>>723637557
Ico and SotC ran like shit on the PS2 as well.
Back then people gladly accepted performance drops if it meant a game would have new and innovative mechanics.

>>723638269
>Ico and SotC ran like shit on the PS2 as well.
They didn't run nearly as bad and they also looked amazing.
TLG ran like fucking garbage on PS4 and looked it too. Very very different situations.

>>723638658
TLG is the best looking game of its generation

>>723631041 (OP)
Can this guy make a good game?
>ico runs 240p
>sotc runs 15 fps

>>723639157
hahahahahh

>>723639493
I wonder if his next game will shit the bed, performance wise, as well.

>>723631041 (OP)
>Was it a bad video game
The opposite, one of the best ever made. All of the love it's getting in my thread fills my heart, for years nobody had a kind thing to say about this masterpiece, hopefully the tide is turning. It'll be a huge boon for the game once it's emulatable and the sony-mandated tutorial popups are modded out.

>>723636918
thanks for spoiling the game cunt

>>723640593
trico doesn't die.

>>723639493
He's not a programmer, so no, he can't make a game at all. He can ask others to make a game for him and hope they do a good job but that's all he can do.

Aggro was a girl!?

>>723636918
Skill issue.

Yup, its kino.
https://youtu.be/36M-NwEFSOc?si=HGlGiYaJRJvFCRLv

>>723641170
Why are you posting my wife

>>723640823
t. doesn't know just how many roles he took on during the development of ico