Thread 723633528

>update to the latest OS
>not a single compatibility issues

That was painless. Why is /v/ afraid to upgrade? What game could you possibly have trouble with?

OP sucks cocks
MS engineer himself says to not upgrade
https://youtu.be/C44iCr6czAo

>>723633528 (OP)
Beetle Crazy Cup kept crashing me on W11 while it works on Linux.

I don't support Pajeet spyware.

>update to the latest OS
>not a single compatibility issues
The reason why there's (usually) no compatibility issues is because Windows 11 and Windows 10 aren't fundamentally that different. Windows 11 doesn't change that much (other than adding spyware of course.)

>Why is /v/ afraid to upgrade?
Because there's no reason to upgrade. Everything works for now and probably will keep working for some time.

>>723633528 (OP)
At this point I already have to fuck with windows as much as with linux just to excise various AI shit and telemetry out of it, so what's the point?
What's worse, microshit shows no signs of stopping with their aggressive attempts to control MY machine, it gets worse with each new OS version. May I remind you, that they have a wet dream about running a walled garden ecosystem just like Apple, with a whitelist of signed software that the user is allowed to run and shit, which is the main reason why it wants the TPM chip. Anyone with some self-respect will have to stop using that shit eventually, and now is good enough time.

>>723633528 (OP)
I hate 11. last week it failed an update and bricked my ethernet and wifi drivers so I had to reinstall the os. it also constantly tries to stop me from downloading things and turns back on settings I turn off. not to mention the insane amount of bloat and spyware. I'm going back to 10 I don't care anymore

>>723633528 (OP)
/v/ is full of tech illiterate zoomers and zalphas nowdays

>>723633528 (OP)
I find it pretty funny it offered to upgrade my piece of shit potato laptop to 11. I figured there was no way in hell that thing would be able to handle it but apparently it's all set to go, according to Windows anyway. I didn't do it, the harddrive is tiny as fuck and windows 10 takes up more then half of it I can only imagine how much worse 11 is space wise.

SAAR WHY ARE YOU NOT DID THE UPGRADEFUL? ARE YOU THE BABBY DUCK SAAR? YOU MUST REDEEM THE UPGRADEFUL SARR YOU NEED THE SECURITY OR I WILL SEND MANY MAIL WARES AND PUT RAKSHASA CURSE UPON THE CENTRAL PROCESSFUL UNIT

>>723633528 (OP)
/v/ is full of poorfags, that's literally it, they can't run it, anything else is cope since 10 was as shit
>muh telemetry
Just remove it faggot

>>723636663
>racism outside of /b/

>>723636076
https://youtu.be/poEo0GrQTtQ

>>723633528 (OP)
sure

>>723636610
Windows 11 IoT is more optimized

>>723633528 (OP)
Hi Bill. Fuck you.

>>723633528 (OP)
idk but any time i think of biting the bullet i come to work and boot up my company thinkpad with 11 on it and never stop thinking about how much of a piece of shit the thing is, 10 will stay 10 for now.

>>723633528 (OP)
Hell saar. Please redeem your monthly license of Microsoft 365, bloody bastard!

I have 2 laptops. One with W10 and one with W11. At standby doing nothing my W10 laptop has 200 processes running while the W11 one has over 2000 running.

>>723636710
Isn't there "compatibility options" you can set for the EXE file?

I was concerned I might have given myself a virus or something because everytime I start up 11 I get three command prompts that open then immediately close. So I did a clean installation and nope, it just flashes some command prompts sometimes. I can't remember if 10 did this to me too, probably.

I tried linux, bros. I really did.
I guess it's win10LTSC for me

>>723636459
Linux doesn't play anything with kernel level anticheat. That's almost all multiplayer games and literally all modern racing games besides Forza. It's unusable for serious gaming.

>refuse the update
>absolutely no problem

why is /v/ so afraid of the internet?
one, you're never going to catch a virus unless you do something stupid
two, nobody is interested in your loli porn

>>723637204
>xhe doesnt know

>>723637150
Good thing I'm not interested in installing rootkits on my machine nor playing normalcattle games that require rootkits to work. What's the next argument, yearly sportsball games not being supported?

>>723637150
Easy Anticheat works.
Aslo:
>kernel level anticheat
>serious gaming
kek

>>723637150
Every time I used Linux, I always felt crippled.
There were games I straight up couldn't play, things would just shit the bed from time to time, and I couldn't use most of the programs I need for work i.e. Adobe products.

Linux still has a long way to go if it wants to be a serious personal OS for the common man.

>>723633528 (OP)
Kys shill
Show it running Nijuuei

>>723636745
Powered by Copilot

I was told that Linux Mint is shit and that I should use a different one. People told me Mint is months behind other versions of Linux or something.

>>723633528 (OP)
You are the product now

>>723637608
2 second google
windows users really are retarded huh

>>723637726
gomenasorry i clicked the wrong tab

Yeah, Windows 11 is just Windows 10 but way worse. Linux has been running fine for me, all my games work. I'm a happy camper.

>>723637703
You gotta just figure it out really and try some of them until you find one you like the most. Every time you ask you're gonna get a different answer.

I got screen tearing when scrolling in Firefox on linux

>>723637805
>t. tgirl

Win 11 upgrade wasn't painless but it was quick and straight-forward, from experience.
>Win11 debloat script, including right click context menu fix
>Winaero tweaker
>Explorerpatcher
>Disable rounded corners

Thankfully it was an upgrade and I keep my local account, none of that Microsoft account bullshit.
I still need to fix folders in explorer not remembering my fucking sorting preference though, sometimes I go to my downloaded pictures, or videos or something, and it just forgets.

>>723637703
It's not shit, it just has an update model that's not really good for how quickly game-related software develops today. You want something with rolling release model.

>>723633528 (OP)
I don't like gambling with my OS everytime some jeet decide to push some random security update to keep his job

Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance no longer seems to work on Windows 11. Which sucks. I miss my robots.

I only really play old games. Do PS2 and PS3 emulators work on Linux?

>>723637956
no

>>723637956
yes

>>723637862
>>t. tgirl
Ok, retard.

>>723637956
depends on what you consider as "working".

>>723633937
I'm so tired of these AI promoting niggers. It's such a shitty goddamn technology and utterly fucking worthless.

>>723633528 (OP)
I'm spending $2000 on a new AMD pc just so I can install Linux and tell Microsoft to go fuck itself for the next 5 years minimum.
Shill=failed. Go die

>>723633528 (OP)
>Microsoft confirms the Windows 11 October 2025 mandatory security update accidentally breaks some localhost connections, which can prevent users from debugging or testing apps, websites, and tools locally.

>Microsoft stated that it's rolling out an emergency patch that rolls back the faulty code.

>While Microsoft has only acknowledged one issue, we're seeing reports of other problems:

>- A bug that blocks installation of the mandatory security update due to different Windows Update errors.
>- If the patch does install, it can prevent the Preview pane in File Explorer from working. you'll see a false security alert when you try to view documents, such as a PDF.

>These issues affect Windows 11 25H2, Windows 11 24H2, but Windows 10 is not affected

I wonder why I've not upgraded to your shit OS yet

>>723638159
>on a new AMD pc
HELLO POORFAG HOURS

>>723638207
learn how to bait, you fag.

>>723636076
What spyware? After 10 years sure you have solid evidence of that right?

>>723638207
Nigger can you read? It's for Linux specifically. I don't want shitty Nvidia proprietary drivers anymore so I can full trust my OS.
Wait a second, you're OP shilling and seething. I see. Continue sucking cocks.

>windows wante me to upgrade but my TPM chip came turned off for some godforniggering reason
>in order to upgrade I need to go into bios and turn it on
>this will cause a system wipe
>I have have to organize and backup all my shit
>I can now upgrade to 11
>I have have to reinstall everything and reorganize everything
>im sure nothing else will go wrong while doing all of this

I used a debloat thing for W11 and now I feel paranoid it installed malware to steal my bank details.

>>723637894
>Thankfully it was an upgrade and I keep my local account
Why wouldn't be? Even on the latest 11 25H2 you can make local accounts, stop believing media bullshit.

>>723638494
kek

>>723638494
Monitor your system processes and use chat gpt to describe to you all of them you dont recognize if you are that paranoid

>>723638595
>and use chat gpt to describe to you all of them
lol

>>723638476
Everything you posted is wrong
>Anime poster
That explains it

>>723638110
Too bad, because big tech faggots dumped literal tens if not hundreds billions of dollars into it and now they NEED you and everyone else to find some use for it in your daily life, or else they're going to have really, really unpleasant conversations with their investors, and with sums of money like these, heads will roll.

>>723633528 (OP)
Fuck you, shill.

>>723638638
Yes! AI is good saar

>>723638319
There's a stupid option that takes screenshots every minute, which is disabled by default

upgraded to windows 11
images/video's on both 4chan and dicksword took ages to load in or didn't even play at all
rolled back to windows 10 and everything is lightning quick again

>>723638476
>this will cause a system wipe
the fuck are you talking about

>>723638639
explain what part is wrong

>>723638476
>>this will cause a system wipe
What? Why?
If you have this ridiculous idea in your head, buy another HDD, clone you OS and try updooting the backup

>>723638595
>get the AI owned by billionaire lizards to take a look at your pc to see if the new windows brought to you by india is ok
we live in the shittiest version of cyberpunk holy shit can nvidia start installing giant neon ads and shit on the side of skyscrapers written in japanese what the fuck is this

>>723638917
t.
4GB of ram

>>723638871
You mean the Insider Development Builds that clearly state that they are going to do so because that isn't even present on the final consumer and enterprise builds. C'mon go look it up.

>Windows 11 is great if you remove all the bloat and use third party tools
Imagine if we accepted this shit in other industries
>this car is great if you just remove the 7 extra wheels, the sugar from the gas tank and pay some romanian guy to hotwire it for you

>>723633528 (OP)
>That was painless.
no it wasn't it put my start menu in the center of my taskbar. digging through settings to correct it was annoying

>>723633528 (OP)
Linux users are insecure and feel threatened that people will actually enjoy using Windows 11 and never move to Linux.
That's why they spam linux threads every day on /v/ and fake information.

>>723633528 (OP)
This shit may actually force me to put up with Linux desktop slop. I don't want this AI scam bullshit anywhere near my computing experience.

>>723639113
32 in fact, on a 6 months old machine
memory usage is even a bit higher after the rollback, yet everyhing is back to running smoothly again

>>723637507
I felt like this when I tried 11 ltsc after Linux. Basic functions like middle click to close stuff in taskbar required hacks.

>>723639284
Right-clicking once is the end of the world

>>723633528 (OP)
So why is Microsoft like the only big operating system?

>>723639456
>So why is Microsoft like the only big operating system?
for consumers
they just made it retard proof

>>723638673
Cool. Let the heads roll then. Corpo faggots need to realize at some point that they can't maintain long term relevancy by only investing in short term gain.

>>723638957
First you don't need to enable the TPM neither Secure Boot to install 11
The TPM store only bitlocker encryption keys so only when you disable or erase it to default settings you lose the means of decrypting your drive unless you have your recovery key saved elsewhere, wich is mandatory when you first encrypt a drive. SO if its turned off initially nothing happens when you turn it on.
Also you should have backups at all times regardless.
Also you use the same language to upgrade it will keep everything, files and programs, only when you try to upgrade using a different language it won't let you keep tour installed programs.
There you go dumb anime poster.

Nvidia driver issues still not fixed on Windows 11 or 10 or Linux guess im selling my 5080 for a 9070xt

Cope to all the /v/ and /pol/ fags who got memed on RTX (including me)

>>723639059
Hey dumbfuck the AI isnt nefarious, it will tell you exactly what the system processes are.
You aren't asking it how to solve the jewish question or where to invest your life savings, it's streamlined information you could find with more effort googling.

Or just suffer in paranoia like a retard, I dont give a fuck

>>723639639
What driver issue? Using 11 and never had a single issue with nvidia at all

This entire thread boils down
>i had a problem with 11
>uh well, works on my machine, you must be poor or stupid

>>723639639
raytracing works fine on AMD, pathtracing is fucked tho

I find it so hilarious how windows is essentially the same operating system underneath, they just keep adding unnecessary shit fluff on top of it to LOOK like it's an upgrade. When I'm looking for the system properties menu, I had to stare at this stupid fucking page for a whole minute before I saw the advanced button. And lo and behold, there's the fucking menu I know and love all the way from windows 95/98. Who is this for?? Normies no longer use desktops. Workers and gamers do; both of which know what the fuck they're doing.

If the only real feature your upgrade brings is continued security fixes, stop changing the fucking UI. Stop messing with how shit is categorized and located if you're not going to fundamentally change them. So many fucking hoops. I'd much rather just upgrade to a Windows 10 v2 with shit under the hood fixed than this constant normie slop nobody wants.

>>723638319
You're not being subtle, Microshill.

Windows 10 LTSC exists, so I'm good until 2032.

>>723639456
It's the only real consumer friendly OS, so without a real alternative for most people they got a ton of leverage.

>>723638207
>shitvidia drivers on a linux build
shiggy

>>723639886
I accept your concession

>>723633528 (OP)

Why are you faggots so adamant about what operating system someone else is using? You're obviously a shill. I've never once gave a fuck about people still on Windows 7. Not. Once. Fucking. Ever. So why are you? You know why? Because you're a shill. Who the fuck is so concerned about a billion dollar corporation selling shit?

>>723637150
>serious gaming
>fotm multiplayer GAAS trash

You reek of underage.

>>723639456
Why is Chrome the only big browser? Monopolies are a crazy thing.

>>723639712
Nontstop driver issues. DXGI_Hung, D3D_Lost, VK_DEVICE_REMOVED, Fatal Error, GPU Stopped Processing Commands. This is just on Windows. On Linux its even more unusable.

>>723639795
My steam deck works better than this shit.

>>723639935
>it's the OS that was installed by default because bill gates made deals with OEMs
ftfy
there's nothing particularly more consumer friendly with windows than say bazzite.

I'm pretty comfy on CachyOS. Overall as someone who's used only windows machines my Entire life learning linux only took me a couple months. only use like two terminal commands and the rest is mostly GUI Stuff. all games through proton or lutris and the emulators and game engines I use work with no issues. all AMD setup tho I hope the driver situation improves for nvidia bros. A warning tho I did have to tinker quite a bit with settings at the start but only ever the one time for anyone interested in making the switch.

>>723633937
We're trusting MS employees now?

>>723640019
So true anon. In fact, why discuss anything ever? Why even bother trying to have a conversation when we can just introspect and think all by ourselves with no interruption or challenge?

>>723636745
I won't use Pajeetware

>>723640146
Sound more like your gpu is fucking broken or your psu isn't giving the proper power it needs

>>723638476
my mobo also has tpm but it shipped disabled. i guess the factory settings defaulted to having it disabled until Microsoft started paying money to make sure they have the TPM module enabled by default.
apparently Linuxfags REALLY fucking hate TPM because their distros were being blocked by the TPM originally? lmao that's what you get when every autistic nerd can make their own super special distro and put it on the Internets, there's no way to track all of them.
meanwhile i still haven't enabled my TPM module even though I know what it is since i'm just keep chilling on Win10 for a year. all the benchmarks always said you lose in-game performance on Win11

>>723640193
Nice try, faggot. Your OP post isn't asking for conversation, it's a load of bullshit trying to imply no one is having issues with their shiny new OS. Conversation would be

>How's the switch to Windows 11 coming, anons?

Disingenuous cunt.

>inb4 but I'm not OP!

>>723633528 (OP)
If it's not broke don't update it with the latest spyware

>>723640174
Cachy interests me but I feel like if I wanted to tinker I'd just install Arch and go full hog.
I think for my first Linux OS I'm gonna try Zorin. Bazzite looks cool too but it's a bit too handholdy

>>723640287
>Linuxfags REALLY fucking hate TPM
tpm is a microsoft product, they control the keys, the only way it's a somewhat workable product these days is because they were sued out of their ass.

>>723640234
its 1200w unit. it can pass stress tests like furmark but it cant actually do anything that matters without software issues.

Theres something just called "search (7)" in my processes and its using 500mb of ram. Dunno what its doing.

>>723640174
i have nvidia and its not even that bad maybe if youre trying wayland still but i heard its better but have not tried it myself recently

>>723640370
>Bazzite looks cool too but it's a bit too handholdy
you can also go for regular fedora, it's what bazzite is based on. i wouldn't go for zorin but you do you.

>>723640234
Nah Nvidia drivers are just shit on Windows & Linux. This isn't some groundbreaking new discovery. This is 8+ months old news bro and its STILL relevant today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXoUsdSAnA

>>723640287
>their distros were being blocked by the TPM originally
What in the flying fuck are you talking about?
>>723640415
Any software and OS can use the TPM as they like you mouthbreather retard, linux has always been able to use luks/dmcrypt with the TPM too.

>>723640495
windows purposely always wastes at least 6 GB or ram at all times

>>723640174
>learning linux only took me a couple months
nah fuck that

>>723640547
>Any software and OS can use the TPM as they like
no they can't lmao. you need to ok your distro with microsoft, and pay some money iirc. plenty of distros like arch don't do this because fuck microsoft

>>723639456
They were the only ones back in the day who realized people don't like using terminals. Linux is just barely starting to kind of figure this out, some 50 years later. Apple is more concerned with being a fashion statement than an actual OS.

>windows 11 made with rufus, debloated, winaero'd
or
>windows 10 LTSC
make your choice.

>>723640189
If you're using Windows that's the implicit assumption.

>>723640541
Why not? I saw a demo and zorin looks good.
Though fedora+KDE is also an option, since I'm somewhat used to it due to the steam deck

>>723640751
it's a new player. it's corporate funded with a paid edition.
fedora is backed by redhat but it's partially managed by the community and it's been around for a long time.

>>723640583
It's not that bad anon I only really use the terminal to install and update. on KDE shit is just windows but you can molest it a bit more freely.

>>723640668
You're a literal retard, you're thinking of the Secure Boot signed files not the TPM (wich only stores keys), and even on the secure boot case anyone can install your own keys to boot any file and linux has been able to do so for more than a decade.

>>723639456
>Be consumer friendly
>Most people pick it
>Developers who want to make things for people see most people on it and make software for it
>New people want an OS, sees it has the most software made for it and use it
>Developers see most people use it and make software for it
>More software means more people
>More people means more software
>Windows forever

>>723636710
did you even watch the video?

>>723640817
Yeah I get that. Linux community is all about FOSS so a centralized company is a turn off to most.
But that's one of the things that makes me want to use it. One company with a vision of what the OS should be that isnt Microsoft/Mac is pretty much what I want. Relying on random coders on github is cool and all but it invites more problems than it's worth imo

>>723640831
i'm indeed thinking of secure boot, but both these systems are made to go hand in hand.

>>723639814
If you dig hard enough you can find Windows 3.1 context menus. They can't make something completely new because it would break too many things. I agree though. Pick a menu style and just stick with it. Nobody cares that the UI doesn't look "new" with a new update. If you want to impress normies just change the wallpaper with each Windows version. That's enough for them to think the whole thing is shiny and new.

What's the over under on half the people who got windows 11 bitching they have to upgrade to 12 when it inevitably hits?

>>723636710
That was broken on wine too due how it works. But SA is not the only game that got borked by w11 and 10.

>>723637145
Linux is still only 3% of steams user base for a reason.

>>723641050
Yes and linux has been able to use it without any issue, just enroll your own keys.

>>723641018
the problem about corporate distros is that their interests don't align with yours
to take an example, ubuntu rotated hard into snaps, but regular users dgaf about snaps, the reason they're pushing snaps so hard isn't for you and me, but for enterprises and servers where they make most of their money.

>>723641109
Zero. 12 will be the good version where they go back to 7 aesthetics and remove all the AI spyware and debloat the install to 1 gig that uses 200mb of ram and runs lightning fast. Trust the plan bros!!

>>723641109
Just poorfags or retards. I upgraded to 11 in 2021 using a 4670k, never had any issue for 3 years or more until I upgraded my rig

>>723641253
>>723639312
they are literally adding more??

>>723640830
>on KDE shit is just windows but you can molest it a bit more freely.
lol based

>>723633528 (OP)
>Could topple microsoft overnight if they felt like it
>"Nah, we aren't aiming for this to be a desktop distro."
What is Gabens problem?

>>723641396
SteamOS is just arch you dumb cunt.

>>723633528 (OP)
>lower FPS
>mandatory microsoft account
>taskbar ads
>recall and other kinds of spyware
>DRM ((((TPM))) and (((secure boot))), which enable (((virtualization-based security))) (security from (You) , the user))
>stuttering thanks to TPM
it's shit. piss off and die

>>723641182
It's hard to suck more than Microsoft though. If it really does suck massive cock I can always uninstall the OS and use another one.
Eventually I'll probably end up on Arch anyway. I intend to try it out with an old computer at some point.

id move to 7 if i could

>>723641547
>mandatory microsoft account
Why mumbling retards keep parroting this? It still works on 25H2 and even in the insider preview builds wich supposedly "blocked" it but you can still do it.

its because its a degusting bloated mess

>>723641603
dude fedora is backed by redhat, they were bought by IBM for 34 billion dollars, you're not going to find a bigger sponsor on linux other than valve.

windows is all sorts of fucked when the new rog xbox ally runs slower on windows than steamos/bazzite on day one

think about it.

operating system that has zero support for handheld is running better than the trillion dollar company os with all their source code available to them

>>723641687
>expecting people to violate the EULA
wow, I thought you corporate shills were all about respecting the law and intellectual property rights?

>>723641632
same. thing was xp perfected

>>723641687
/v/ is full of underage faggot kids who regurgitates everything ecelebs and twitter says even when it isn't true

>>723641351
Yeah it looks like they want people to use it like people use AI on smartphones. Essentially talking to your computer rather than typing. Media made it seem like this was the future of computing when we were kids, but most media didn't account for the hellcape of capitalism behind the veil.

>>723641754
and whats even more embarassing is that the rog xbox was touted as having better software and co-developed experience. instead they just slapped generic windows 11 25h2 bugs and all.

>>723641724
I'll take your word for it that it's good, fedora+KDE was on my radar anyway.
I need to do more research on various distros, but I may land on fedora.

>>723641783
>can't search for a fucking file
>xp perfected

>>723641762
Show me where in the eula it says you can't use the built-in tools to make local accounts, I will wait.

>>723641842
And that's how Trump got elected

Never upgrading, OP is a paid jeet shill or retarded zoomertranny. Turn off the feature update and move on with your life.

>>723633528 (OP)
Good morning sars.

>>723633937
>calls TPMs a "security chip"
>then TPMs are DRM with secret immutable factory-burned encryption keys that keep them secret from you and make your computer betray you, along with secure boot (corpos use it to stop you from loading unapproved drivers and software, which bypass their copy protection checks)

>>723641948
Group policy doesnt work on Home editions

>>723641897
i know people coming from windows don't really know what redhat is, but on linux they have their hands in everything. systemd, linux, gtk, gnome... basically the entire linux desktop stack has redhat contributors and maintainers.

>>723636745
>disabling USB keyboard and mouse input
How do you even do anything at that point?

>install OpenSUSE Tumbleweed
>update to the latest OS
>not a single compatibility issues
That was painless. Why is /v/ afraid to install? What game could you possibly have trouble with? that isn't online MP slop made by lazy insecure devs

>>723637150
>online slop
>serious gaming

>>723642168
You don't

>>723642269
Flight Sim 2024 works?

Really should go to linux since all I do is emulate and play single player stuff on steam but I accept the fact that im retarded and will fuck it up.

>>723642329
God I hope that image is AI generated otherwise how horrifying

>>723642665
racist

>>723641473
Its arch backed by a large corporation, which is the only way linux has a chance anymore.

>>723636745
So this is the power of India's smartest huh.

>>723642795
>windows less popular than ever while linux is picking up popularity almost daily
are you high? or do you just say what you want to believe?

>>723642795
blame people for not wanting to pay for their OS development.

>>723638110
And then there's this tech-illiterate digitard.

>still using 7
>still using 10

>>723642665
>I want meritocracy
>No not like this!!!

>>723642913
Yeah, absolutely massive gains my dude. Only 2000+ more months at the current pace.

>>723642913
linux has been growing for a while as evidenced by the steam stats, gaming on linux is bigger than mac these days.

>>723643024
How did you get that picture of me

>>723643091
haha suck it penguins

>>723643073
>meritocracy is when some random nigger across the planet pays his local university 10 cents to get a piece of paper and flies over to your country to work at 1 dollar per hour

>>723636710
Rockstar already gave you superior versions that work fine on win11

>>723643091
at this point all it would take is for Microsoft to dare make windows subscription based

>>723641687
>but you can still do it.
By either running Chris Titus' script from terminal or making the regedit entries yourself. In a normal technical sense you can't make local accounts anymore.

>>723643271
Honestly they should. I have problem with it as it doesn't affect me.

How long until we get an actual SteamOS that is meant to be used as a desktop OS as well? I'm tired of using hobbyist shit that breaks any time you update something, I just want something backed by an actual company that has an incentive to make something usable.

>>723637150
>fortnite
>serious gaming

>>723637956
PCSX2 runs without issues, you can just download the appimage. I even used the same config folder between Linux and Windows as I was migrating so all the settings and saves were shared
dunno abut PS3

>>723643364
ya if they want the largest market share decline ever seen sure im shocked and disappointed people put up with this shit from car manufacturers

>>723643414
Never. Steam themselves said they aren't interested.

>>723633528 (OP)
It forces me to make an online account. I just want to use my OS bro.

>>723643271
Linux shouldn't have to hope the competition blows its own feet off to win the race. It should instead focus on being such a strong OS that it doesn't matter what the competition does.

>>723643414
see >>723641473

>>723643557
steamos is a preconfigured arch and the difference between both of these is a very big one for new users.

>>723643091
It doesn't need to be 100% market share though to impact

>>723640668
you can use your own keys, automated with something like sbctl
t. did this when trying the BF6 beta (which was lame and gay)

>>723643546
90 percent of the complaints are about compatibility which is only fucked cause people wont make software for it until it has a larger userbase the problem is people not moving over there is not a single piece of windows software that cant be ported to linux if it ever shifted just enough you would see photoshop and most other software move over in a month

>>723643660
No but its definitely not where some people in this thread will try to make you believe it is.

>>723643713
i mean those are just the steam stats, regular desktop is like 6% iirc without counting chromebooks.
keep in mind gaming on linux is a relatively recent thing with proton and dxvk making the whole thing much better.
the reason why the adaption rate is so low is simply because windows comes pre installed and people are too lazy to change, if they are even aware linux is an option.

>>723643701
I agree actually, which is why I think linuxs best move is to appeal to gamers and court them over first. But the issue is most gamers are tech illiterate and don't want to have to google which version of linux to use. SteamOS is the perfect solution, its right there, owned by the biggest PC gaming storefront. But Valve doesn't want to invest in it and shill it.
If there a 1 button "click here to upgrade your windows build to steamOS" button that copied your data over like browsers do, linux would be like 50%+ overnight. But that would take a ton of work to make a tool like that.

>>723644013
>Upgrade to Steam OS
>All your steam games work
>But your niche non-steam game software doesn't
>But your photo editing software doesn't
>But your video editing software doesn't
>But your music editing software doesn't
>But your writing/document editing software doesn't
>But your banking software doesn't
>But your networking/conference call software doesn't
>But your niche work required software built specifically for windows doesn't

>>723644013
It doesn't matter if games get a 100% compatibility, you are still using linux to do everything.
Not even high tech admins want to use the linux GUI, they just Terminal everything and then let it inside a box where no one can touch it.

>>723644312
Its not perfect, but its the only solution I can see. Otherwise you sit in and infinite "chicken and egg" scenario where the companies never move over, so the consumers never do, so the companies never move over, etc etc.

>>723644374
>the linux GUI
there are like 40 of them take your pick

>>723638319
>there are unironic MS shills who think telemetry somehow doesnt exist
Lol

>>723644507
They all suck ass, that's why nobody wants to use it at a high level, only ones I've ever seen shill for it are redditors and /g/

>>723637150
Linux can run as of now 99% of the entire PC gaming library and emulate every retro console + switch 1

>>723643557
Arch is absolutely not what I'm asking for

>>723643473
>Steam themselves
Who is she?

>>723644642
Have you considered the possibility that the reason leet admins don't use it is because they are leet admins and don't need it?

>>723644642
spoken like someone who has not actually tried any linux should be a thing everyone personalizes to their own liking

>>723641396
>SteamOS releases for desktop
>"yaaaaay!!... uh..."
>people realize they have to install an operating system now
>people realize that Valve didn't test on their particular system configuration so it won't be as hyper-optimized as on Steam Deck
>almost everyone willing to install a Linux distribution already did so before SteamOS had a desktop version
>the only people who grab SteamOS are the ones who mistakenly believed they were too dumb for Linux until it had a Steam logo on it
Waste of time.
If you're waiting for SteamOS then you should just install either Windows 11 or Linux Mint instead.

>>723644776
Exactly, that's why all of those linux machines never have a GUI and it's just a terminal and if they ever want to interact with it, you have a web console that you access from Windows or Mac, nobody boots up their linux machine to remote into a linux server.

>>723644467
I think the solution is not just the Steam OS switch, but also simplifying the ability to dual boot. Which is even harder but it's the only way to get normies on board. Imagine a Steam OS frontend that launches whenever you turn on your computer, it can run MOST things people will use daily just fine (all games, ""gamer"" related stuff like discord or streaming software, a web browser, maybe PDF software or some other common things) then when you need a specific windows thing you can restart and easily on boot go back into windows. All facilitated with an "upgrade now" button on Steam.

>>723645083
Yeah that would also probably be good.

>>723644794
You can also personalize Windows if you want if you install the required programs to do so. Linux is the same, you need plugins to change a lot of things and even in some cases those plugins are preloaded into the OS, but you still need them.

>>723644312
What the fuck are you using for everything to break? Absolute shit if it did.

Just use Mint you retards. I did a few weeks ago and it works almost the exact same as windows. The only issue I personally had was drivers not downloading because I had to disable secure boot in BIOS which is a literal button switch from PC launch and that was it.
Everything just works. Steam has proton so you don't even need to install it separately. Some games run even better than on windows because the lack of bloat and I'm using nvidia, the shittier option (from AMD)

>>723644794
NTA but I've used desktop distros multiple times, in fact, I use it for various server applications just fine. Every DE sucks ass for the most part, at least compared to Windows. There's no good reason that the DEs should be so far behind in usability at this point - I think it's just a symptom of developer resources being so scarce and spread between so many different projects + lack of demand from the average user. When the mindset of every linux user/developer is "why not just use the command line for that?", it's easy to see why it will never truly become user-friendly. The CLI is not an intuitive interface, it's essentially like needing to learn a language to use something that we've been using for decades that just werks. It's not worth the investment.

Reminder that this also works for people who already downgraded to Windows 11.

>>723633528 (OP)
>not a single compatibility issues

Dishonest argument. Compatibility is not why people hate Win 11. People hate Win 11 because:
>it spies on the user more than any OS ever
>it gives the user less control over his system than any OS ever
>it's extremely awkward to use
>it has absolutely no benefits to the user
>Microsoft uses their monopoly to force people to downgrade to it from superior Windows versions

Microsoft is a pure evil company and every employee and shareholder of Microsoft is harmful to the universe and deserves immediate and preferably painful death.

>>723645205
>you can customize windows
ya if you want a constant wrestling match with Microsoft every time they install even the slightest update all so you can try to force an operating system to do something it was not designed to do
meanwhile most linux DE's come with this built in

>>723638538
It's just the out of box experience (OOBE) that forces a Microsoft account on initial account creation, but it's still a bullshit step that shouldn't exist, and a concern if you're unfamiliar with the upgrade process into Windows 11.

>>723644312
The vile freelancer who needs to use his home entertainment device for work.

>>723645405
>Moving goalposts
Heh...

>>723633528 (OP)
I upgraded to kubuntu

>>723645456
no one moved goal posts customizing windows is something you canty do cause they dont want you to customize it if you use windows you accept the OS is not yours

>>723645547
>Moving goalposts
>Lying
Getting desperate now.

>>723645372
>it spies on the user more than any OS ever
Nobody gives a shit about petabytes of your hentai
>it gives the user less control over his system than any OS ever
Nobody who uses windows gives a shit about tinkering with their os, those who do were already on linux decade ago
>it's extremely awkward to use
It is literally same shit as 10
>it has absolutely no benefits to the user
It has the biggest one, shit just works without tinkering by double clicking .exe
>Microsoft uses their monopoly to force people to downgrade to it from superior Windows versions
Superior versions of windows are supported till 2034

>>723643024
>turn off secure boot
>thanks to bitlocker your computer is now bricked until you turn it back on
>keys are encrypted by the TPM so you can't just extract them to boot up your hard drive on another computer or even linux or mac
nger microcuck shill

>>723645610
again no o-ne is moving goal posts windows is not customizable even according to its own EULA

>>723645456
you said windows just werks. why does it break every update?
>>723645823
>want to use computer
>requires microsoft account and internet to log in
>TPM and secure boot DRM
it's shit

>>723645823
>PLEAAAAASE redeem my spyware saar only criminals want to hide you dont need privacy bro just click the exe saar it just works forget about those old games you dont need those saar just download windows 11 saar its exactly the same

What multiplayer games are even worth playing right now?
Dota2, dbd, scpsl works in linux everything else is kinda shit.

>>723644312
>But your niche non-steam game software doesn't
They do
>But your photo editing software doesn't
krita+Gimp
>But your video editing software doesn't
OBS+Kdenlive
>But your music editing software doesn't
I don't edit music
>But your writing/document editing software doesn't
Kate
>But your banking software doesn't
I only do banking on phone
>But your networking/conference call software doesn't
>But your niche work required software built specifically for windows doesn't
I'm a forklift operator

>>723646089
iracing doesn't let you play online but wheel support is kinda shit on linux anyways so i dualboot for that

>>723645967
Literally none of this is true. I don't have tpm enabled, i don't even have microsoft account and my pc works fine running pretty much 24/7.

>>723642338
ProtonDB has entries from 3 weeks ago. Looks like unsupported on Deck, specifically, per Steam. no familiarity with Flight Sim 2024, but it appears to be an update to the 2020 version - hence, no separate entry.

>>723633528 (OP)
>Why is /v/ afraid to upgrade?
They force you to use a Microsoft account. You basically have to give up your privacy in order to use Windows 11, which is a terrible thing to considering what is coming.

>>723645823
Literally this >>723646061
"but n-n-n-body cares about your porn CHUD" is such a retarded tranny argument made by zoomers.

>>723633528 (OP)
spyware, restrictions, zero privacy, ads everywhere, it's also an AI-powered bloated clusterfuck developed by Indians - since Bill left the company, it's been downhill ever since.
Also it's incompatible with New Vegas, so ...

>>723644312
If you need a pc for creative graphical video musical production so much you would own already a dedicated MacOS macchine unironically.

>>723646240
>he violated the EULA
you're a very bad goy. don't worry, though, we'll eventually patch any holes up and you won't be able to skip our account verification anymore, just like in android and iOS, where any unapproved software is verboten thanks to Play Integrity and Notarization

>>723645345
You're gonna run into problems with newer games if you're using LTSC/IOT editions. They are not designed to be updated as frequently with the latest software updates. Just FYI

>>723646097
Audacity works for music editing and is used by amateurs to professionals. It's easy to understand. I wouldn't be surprised if FL studio worked, haven't checked tho.

>>723646737
>he says when W7 autists can run the latest games just fine
nger
your company is unabashedly putrid evil
I will not downgrade
I will not accept lowered FPS
I will not enable the TPM and secure boot DRM
I will not accept microstutters
I will not sign up for a microsoft account
my computing will remain independent and far away from the cloud

>>723644312
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imnf8yd01fM

>>723646914
Ok but your meltdown doesn't change my facts

>>723646675
Do you seriously think locking down internet won't affect linux somehow when it is coming top down from government entities in the first place? Wild west of internet is getting tamed and nobody can stop it, linux will bend the knee like everybody else. Freetards are too servile to include proprietary codecs in linux for fuck's sake.

>>723647050
thats why you need to switch retard. Stop giving them power.

>>723646737
Well that is not a problem right now and probably won't be for years.
It has all the same runtimes as standard editions if you convert using this method.
And it's not like you're stuck on W10 IoT LTSC, if you need to you just upgrade to W11 Iot LTSC, which is slightly less shit than standard versions.

>>723647050
there shouldn't be proprietary codecs to begin with

>>723647015
all games work fine on W10 iot ltsc
you're wrong and a faggot

>>723633528 (OP)
>cannot move taskbar anymore
>cannot turn off dynamic task length based on name
>all this AI crap no one ever uses
>recommended section in start menu is a react native app that can spike the CPU usage every time you open it
>Even turned off in either pro or home it will still remain there empty with a note that you can turn it on in the settings
>25H2 makes it even harder for local accounts to be created
It pissed me off already that I couldn't pick the on which display notifications where shown but they literally doubled down with the taskbar. they remove features, make things worse while adding shit no one needs.

>>723647371
Stop being a poor turd worlder
You'll survive

>>723637956
PCSX2 works perfectly. Haven't tested the others

>>723643024
Why do they go through these difficult lengths to keep on using an inferior OS when they could use that effort to finally make the switch?

>>723633528 (OP)
>not a single
>issues
ESL go away

>by an Asus wifi card
>install it, works out of the box in linux
>boot up windows
>doesn't fucking work, have to share internet from my laptop through cable to download the drivers
I was pretty surprised

>>723636745
You don't need keyboard and mouse on Windows 11. Just tell Copilot what to do and it does. And if it doesn't then just ask that guy whos staring at your screen remotely all the time.

>>723647359
False

>>723647014
>jeetahar
Reminder winboat or whatever the fuck it's called is literally a VM that doesn't support GPU passthrough

>>723646737
oh no, not the quadruple A titles

>>723646914
Why are LTSC IOT schizos so unhinged?

>>723647969
If you are at least willing to concede that Microsoft is evil, the rest of the arguments cleanly flow through there.
If you aren't willing to concede that Microsoft is evil, you're a lost cause anyway

>>723647940
moving the goalpost already?

>>723647969
big overlap with white nationalists/right wing terrorists that are trying to push a narrative

>linux
>1 of 73 matches

>>723647550
I can assure you that my rig is miles better than yours but this doesnt change the fact that windows 11 is garbage full of jeet and AI coding.

>>723647785
Name one (1) just ONE game.

>>723648272
you will never be an anime girl

>>723633528 (OP)
what browser are you guys using? chrome removed ublock and i need something new.

>>723648715
firefox since it still supports ublock

>>723648715
Brave. It just werks.

>>723648435
hogwarts legacy and dead island 2 https://www.reddit.com/r/windowsinsiders/comments/1f35qxn/games_not_starting_in_ltsc_iot_24h2_261001457/

>>723637956
I'd like to know this. Staying on 10 unless emulating works.

>>723646097
>Gimp
You cant seriously be acting like that shit is usable, let alone a replacement for anything else

>>723648715
Ublock is gone but you can use "Ublock Origin Lite" which just doesn't have some of the extra features

>>723633528 (OP)
There aren't compatibility issues but they downgraded shit and removed features in the UI for no reason.

>>723649074
What's wrong with gimp? I'm not trying to be argumentative but I was pretty sure everyone agreed that it was just photoshop and illustrator without some of the extra features

>>723649024
uh oh
ltsc trannies arent gonna like this

>>723649074
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you've never used GIMP and your entire knowledge of it is based on the "can't draw a circle" meme.

>>723649041
>staying on 10
There's a horde of crawlers looking for vulnerabilities. You'll get got soon enough.

>>723649024
>trash

>>723649253
>anyone I don't like is a tranny
tranny brain

>>723633528 (OP)
>"just use linux!"
>"games just work on steam now!"
bull fucking shit
all those "compatible" ratings on protondb are lies
if you look at reports they're all
>works but only with this obscure fork and also you have to install some extra gay shit that was only maintained at the time the review was written but now that you try it you have 10 conflicts and now your mouse doesn't work anymore
as soon as you trannies make it so I don't have to spend one night a week troubleshooting your shit code to do simple tasks I'll use linux again
otherwise Windows is the better experience even with the dirty jeets touching it

>>723649280
nta but I wouldn't even force my enemies to use GIMP, fucking trash software

>>723648715
Brave

>>723649326
You seem like somewhat of an expert of moving goal posts. You must be wrong a lot.

>>723648715
firefox since it's default on my OS and just werks

>>723649360
explain

>>723648715
Firefox, I was on waterfox but it was all fucky on videos with lag and screentearing and sometimes 0 sound

>>723649328
>anyone I don't like is a tranny
no but you just outed yourself as one

>>723649332
Yep. This sort of shit is why Linux will never take off unfortunately. Lying to people isn't going to get them to use your shitty hobbyist OS

>>723649460
Inb4 ALL THE BUTTONS ARE IN DIFFERENT SPOTS!!!!

>>723649460
Not even evil people deserve the evil that is GIIMP

>>723645083
>>723645165
no, that sounds horrifying
>just restart your PC to get access to the other 70% of programs you use
nobody would do this. the only people to whom this sounds at all bearable are the existing 0.1% of dual boot users who believe they "need" linux for some reason even though they are putting up with windows any way.

>>723649591
elaborate

>>723649490
not downgrading to w11. cope microjeet

>>723649631
The idea is you get them into Steam OS by assuring them their windows partition is safe and they still have all their programs. Then once inside Steam OS 90% of users will realize all they ever use is perfectly viable in Linux so they just end up never booting into Windows, maybe eventually deleting that partition entirely.

>>723649798
im on loonix my guy

>Stayed on 7 for years after support ended until 10 was unfucked enough to be viable
>Will now stay on 10 until either 11 gets unfucked or 12 releases
Name ONE (1) thing wrong with this plan.

>>723649024
Faggot Redditers (you) don't know that in order to play games you need to install runtimes.
The original comment was about converting to IoT, which would include the runtimes from a standard Windows installation.
You only need to manually install them if you clean install IoT, and even then it's not like it's hard to run an executable you downloaded from Microsoft.
You are legit retarded.

>>723633528 (OP)
Already left Windows for a few weeks now.
Now I'm enjoying the games I used to play but this time on cachyos.
If only Nvidia fix their directx12 performance issue on linux

>>723649074
It's ok for making memes. Also worked when I made my spray for TF2 that changed when you went close to it.

>>723649964
11iggers will have their feelings hurt

>>723650110
cope ltsc tranny. you're just shifting the goalposts

>>723647969
>hasn't refuted a single claim
congrats on acknowledging that >>723646914 is right

>>723640174
Any point on using cachyOS if I'm not playing the latest slop?

>>723649024
I played hogwarts legacy on ltsc when it just came out.

>>723650404
you don't need to use cachyos fullstop. steam uses its own runtime so no matter the underlying distro it's not going to matter for gaming. the only thing relevant is the drivers so avoid mint for gaming.

>>723650404
when i tried cachyOS it got random boot failures then booted fine the next attempt so i disposed of it

>>723650404
it's generally the fastest in games because of the kernel
comes with all the gaming shit you need
pretty much retard proof

>>723637956
Yeah, I have tried stuff like PCSX2, RPCS3 and Ryujinx on Linux and performance is the same as on Windows

You should be fine

For me what's annoying is having to deal with certain PC games, like I found one where if the game is too deep in directories it doesn't boot

What kinda retarded issue is that?

>>723650547
I never care about drivers since I only play games that are multiple years old in the first place, if I don't mind being behind the mainstream driver shit, does mint have any issue?

>>723642168
unless you have some remote desktop software set up on it, probably nothing

>>723649964
1) nothing wrong with me
2) nothing wrong with me
3) nothing wrong with me
4) nothing wrong with me

>>723650753
mint uses old drivers and is generally poorly maintained, for example its compositor muffin is still based on mutter 2020 and doesn't include shit like hdr that have been upstreamed for a while.
it's a good system for browsing and having a windows 7 like UI, but if you want a modern system stay the fuck away from mint.

>>723650753
No, it's rock-solid thanks to being point release. With arch-based distros, something can break with every update, on Mint you only get security updates until the next major release, with only kernel and GPU drivers getting optional updates in-between.

>>723637063
Compatibility modes rarely do shit.

>>723651170
Thanks, any point in getting any security software after installing Mint?

>>723649964
uhhh... you might get hacked

>>723633528 (OP)
>don't install any updates ever
>everything functions the exact same
so why do we need these updates again? why does "end of support" matter when it functionally doesn't change a single thing.

> win10 on my gaming PC
> win11 on work laptop
Not a fan of Windows 11, honestly.
Lately been thinking about switching my gaming rig to CachyOS.
Since I’ve got a Steam Deck, I already know all the games I care about work fine on SteamOS anyway — so Linux on desktop doesn’t sound like a bad idea at all.

>>723642168
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS/2_port

>>723651363
You have to be a complete fucking retard to get hacked. Like 80 years old dementia patient retarded

>>723651368
but anon, you'll miss the latest copilot updates

>>723651281
You can enable firewall, firewall functionality itself is a part of kernel and there's a GUI tool available from start menu to manage it. No idea about antiviruses, I stopped using them on windows long before migrating.

everyone complaining about windows is just a third world poorfag with a shit computer
that's literally all

>>723651368
>install fantasy life
>refuses to work because graphics driver is too old
ffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
>why does "end of support" matter when it functionally doesn't change a single thing.
because new apis are forced down your thr- I mean implemented to help developers, and old operating systems are deliberately made obsol- I mean discontinued
JUST FUCKING INSTALL WINDOWS 11 AND ENABLE YOUR TPM AND SECURE BOOT YOU FUCKING BAD GOY

this goes to show how most "pc master race gamers" are just brownoids pirating shit on their school welfare laptops

>>723649968
didn't read

>>723650475
it doesn't run on ltsc

>>723652537
TLDR;
you gay nigga

>>723652619
Of course it does, IoT LTSC is just 21H2.

>>723652819
that's a negative ghost rider

>>723649971
nVidia really hates Linux, huh?

>>723648715
I use Firefox just because I've been using it for decades. Helps that Bypass Paywall and Ublock work fine, although for some reason it disabled all my extensions a couple of weeks ago. Lose hundreds of tabs but ehh

How do I install mpv on windows 10? Alternatively, what is a basic functional out-of-the-box media player (anime and video watching) client?

>>723652638
I may be gay but miss me with your sexual frustration melty against redditors

>>723652939
>Source: My dick

>>723649024
>windows 11
not my problem

>>723653028
is vlc not good for you?
i guess it isn't basic maybe

>>723653028
Just use potplayer. It uses mpv as a backend and its 100x easier

>>723653058
You got blown out with facts so you're only response is to hyperfixate on being called a Reddit faggot. (You literally linked Reddit)

>buy a computer that isn't 5+ years old
>everything runs flawlessly on the latest windows version
that was easy

>>723633528 (OP)
No reason to upgrade except if you need HDR support, and I still don't have a monitor that supports that because I'm a waitfag waiting for a close to ideal OLED.

>>723653083
not his either

>>723636745
>security update bricks your pc
But saar you need to redeem the security update. You don't want to get hacked saar?

>>723653073
there there

>>723633528 (OP)
Windows 10 is still supported to 2032

>>723653243
What were those facts again?

>>723652939
retarded faggot kys now

>>723640189
>Use windows
>"YOU ARE TRUSTING WINDOWS EMPLOYEES "
>don't use windows
>"YOU ARE TRUSTING WINDOWS EMPLOYEES "
Absolute state of /g/

>>723646737
The games I play work, that's all that matters to me.

>>723642072
Preach choom, preach.

>>723653098
whatever works, i'm not terribly picky
>>723653195
ill look into it, thanks

>>723641473
didn't they switch to gentoo?

>>723653456
The ones you said you didn't read...?

>>723653749
ChromeOS is gentoo. SteamOS moved to Arch.

why is there a massive resource spike every time I hit the start menu button

>>723654604
because the windows ui is electron based, you're essentially running a browser under the hood.

>>723654604
I hope you won't look what happens to the CPU usage and frequency when you move your mouse.

>>723637150
idk quake 3 and unreal tournament 2004 work fine on my machine

>>723641948
>paid jeet shill or retarded zoomertranny
imagine calling someone retarded or jeet while using windows

>>723654604
Because you're poor. It's cured by not being poor.

>>723653483
A Macro$haft employee said not to run Windows. Since I don't trust Micro$hart employees, I run Windows out of defiance.

>>723651363
can you describe a "hacking" scenario that would be averted by upgrading to win11 as opposed to staying on win10?

>>723655648
Example for you while you used windows 7
It had enormous security holes that would allow elevated remote code execution via arbitrary code in web pages.
Windows 10 will probably have same issues soon if not already.
Does not mean 11 will not have them.
Use linux

>>723653270
Thank you for your contributions in failing to reduce e-waste by 2050.

>>723647014
>face that eat cow poo and shit
holy fucking jeetsposting, you could literary avoid it by just writing
USE WINAPPS adn link github

>>723655803
>Example for you while you used windows 7
yes, windows 7. we're talking about windows 10 vs 11.

>>723636745
bros... not like this...

Not switching to linux until CSP works perfectly. Krita is gay shit recommended by people who don't draw and GIMP is controlled opposition to make OSS look bad.

Rise of the Ronin.

The removal of the flip screen hotkey has been a disaster for me at work

>>723656193
>Krita is gay shit recommended by people who don't draw
that's accurate because linux is what most AIfags use, that's why gimp is good enough for them too

>>723653461
no u

>>723653494
nobody asked

>>723653920
Yeah, there were no facts to read - so where are the fabled facts you were referring to - I mean besides my posts, that is.

>>723637204
three, nothing wrong with me

>>723656175
can't you delay it like on win10?

>>723633528 (OP)
Windows 11 broke videos. Like 25% of the stuff I have is like it's dyed in red paint. Fucking had to spend hours researching and there's no official fix, so fuck me I guess.

>>723657720
Nigger, do you really need me to download this slop and show you that it runs on 21H2 with the proper runtime libraries installed?

>>723636745
windows = mc^2 + AI - mouse - keyboard sir
please redeem the future

Why can't I move my god damn task bar? That's like in every version of Windows except this one

>>723658212
they made it huge for some reason too like 3 times the size of the one i usually use

>>723636076
10 already had spyware. 7-8 got spyware added in a patch

>>723636745
did microsoft absorb durgasoft?

>>723658107
If you want to try and change the fact that many games have issues with LTSC, knock yourself out. It's not going to change anyone's mind unless they prefer narratives over facts.

>>723658418
11 one has spyware that worms itself onto your motherboard.

>>723658702
If you have a modern motherboard it's already spying on you

>>723633528 (OP)
>not a single compatibility issues
SAAR, I HAVE POSTED AS YOU TOLD ME
SAAR, DO THE NEEDFUL

I haven't had any real problems with 11. Don't get me wrong, I didn't want to upgrade from 10 to 11, but my new computer came with 11. If I had my way I'd still be on 7.

>>723658212
Because user freedom is considered the devil in modern UI design

>>723658776
Not an argument. No fucking shit spyware exists, that's not an excuse to accept even more of it.

>>723658685
Gamers don't have issues with LTSC, it is functionally identical to Enterprise.
They have issues with missing runtime libraries that need to be installed.
That's it, don't be stupid.

>>723633528 (OP)
>just got an extra year of security updates
>I will switch to ltsc after that

>>723633528 (OP)
Windows 11 was the most painful transition I've ever. Mind you, I've only used Microsoft OS's, but the transitions from XP to Vista, 7, and 10 felt a shit ton better than what I had to deal with. Like asking a normal casualfag to go into their bios to figure out TMP/Secureboot is highly optimistic of Microsoft.

>>723658991
Patently false

>>723659143
Forgot about 8. But to be fair, even Microsoft forgot about 8.

>>723658842
I understand being too intimidated to build your own PC, but buying a pre-built and using it out of the box with a hard drive that you didn't wipe and setup yourself sounds insane.

>>723658859
The solution is to stop buying modern hardware components and find old components that are known to have been made before the world went mad.

>>723659143
If someone doesn't already have secureboot on or TPM, they're not upgrading to 11

I miss XP....

>>723640189
Congrats, this is unironically the dumbest post I've seen online in about 5 years. Don't try to cope and say you are baiting

>>723659930
nta but i sure as hell wouldn't trust a microsoft employee.

>>723659592
The computer it replaces was custom built but I needed a computer right now. I later replaced the drive with a better one that was twice as good but I stuck to 11 since I had not had any issues with it and 10's impending death was close. We felt the same way about 10 as we do now about 11 and I'd rather not have to deal with the issues sticking to 10 would have. Any headaches 11 was going to give me would just be the same shit I've survived already with 10.

>>723633528 (OP)
>give up even more of your freedom
>to play some gaymes
zoomers are truly doomed

>>723659193
Okay prove it fag.
Reddit anecdotals from tech illiterate retards is not proof.

>>723660040
if trusting a microsoft employee is a negative then trusting thousands of them by installing windows is thousands of times worse

>>723660176
That's why you install Linux

>>723633528 (OP)
I don't have any issues either. I think my PC is just powerful enough to brute force any of the issues I'm supposed to be having.

>>723637150
>literally all modern racing games
they only modern racing game word playing is a playstation exclusive

>>723660164
Burden of proof is on you that they work

>>723642168
Once after a GPU driver update in Windows 7 the USB root hub got fucked up and I had to buy a PS/2 mouse and fix it in the registry.

>>723642168
it's a litmus test to force people to use copilot for interfacing the os.
if someone never used it before, this is the (hypothetically) first chance to capture the user's voice.
updates forcing "features" back into place, but conveniently crashing fundamental hid peripherals _and_ really pushing the ai envelope....

gets a person thinking

>>723660324
>Developers can poorly optimize their code because they can justt ell people to get better hardware
One day there wont be hardware upgrades, and nobody these days knows how to optimize code like before when there was hardware limitations. We're fucked then

>>723661159
I never said it was a good thing. I'm just giving my anecdote. I even went in looking for issues. Between the poorly optimized games and the poorly optimized OS, I couldn't tell any difference from just using windows 10.

So what could happen if in dotn upgrade? What is actually affected? Win Updates or also Defender Updates?

>>723661432
you get no updates and down the line games might require shit you can't have so they won't work

>>723660485
A burden of proof is only required when refuting a thesis based on established facts, not established hearsay.

>>723637150
>i need muliplayer games
i hate zoomers so fucking much, i tolerated DIAL UP INTERNET in bumfuck nowhere in IL and torrented by the kb

>>723644664
speaking in switch 1, what's the most reliable emu to use (windows)?
it's been almost 10 years, and i would like to try it out, but from what i understand, both emu's are kill....

>>723633528 (OP)
>recent W11 upgrade shat the bed and had to be partially rolled back
yeah no thanks

>>723661846
For all the "I need to play multiplayer games!" sentiment out there, the vast majority of players make no attempt to actually communicate with the other players in any meaningful way. If old games had advanced enough AI, they'd be indistinguishable from how people engage with multiplayer today.

Actually, even bots from back in the day would talk shit or say random things to give the illusion of playing real people.

>>723640146
If that happens on both OS you might have a hardware issue, I've literally never had a problem on an Nvidia card using latest drivers all the time.
I'm beginning to think all the posts one sees are used error retards.

>>723633528 (OP)
Nice try Microsoft

Not updating to bloated spyware

>>723633528 (OP)
The OS update itself isn't what should worry you. What should worry you are all the individual software updates that start rolling out on individual apps that could brick them due to the app devs not knowing W11 enough.

>>723633528 (OP)
im staying on windows 10

>>723642665
It isnt. Canadian universities (much like much like our housing market) only exists to benefit rich chinks and jeets. The system is working as designed.

>>723661556
So how competent are haxxors to exploit this? I weighing my options ehre.

>>723662404
>old games had advanced enough AI
nigger we had oblivion tier scripts. They were shit, but the gameplay and in-game cutscenes made up for that. Not to mention THE GAMEPLAY

>vast majority of players make no attempt to actually communicate with the other players in any meaningful way
that's because we either had splitscreen or we did backseat couch gaming. Imagine tolerating groomercord as a viable communication. At least teamspeak and skype solved some of it.........but it was shit

most of the games were single player due TO the dial up internet

Realistically how long can you stay on w10 before it becomes unsafe and programs start losing support. Since steam cut support for w7 a while back
I wanted to wait until w12 but that seems so far off still

>>723661432
>>723662776
Get Extended Security Updates. Check /g/ for full instructions. There's literally no reason not to, and it's free.

>>723663362
a year or 2 probably

>>723663412
my computer keeps saying oops something went wrong when i tried that free update shit and with the ltsc update it bricks at 20% so i can do fuck all about it

>>723663049
I think you're misunderstanding something here.

>>723663424
realistically, indefinably unless the following reasons
- nvidia HASN'T CHANGED CUDA since 00s
- directx11 as an api is still usable


the only real problem is the constant WEB AND CHROME BLOAT, espescially when talking about storefronts and transactions. Nobody is mentioning this. Nobody is talking about the google web bloat and security ecosystem. EVEN ELECTRON WON'T SAVE YOU

remember:
STEAM ABANDONED WIN7 BECAUSE OF CHROME AND MANIFEST V2

so which antichrist is worse? microsoft? google? or visa/mastercard?

everyone keeps throwing the term "antichrist", i'm starting to thing its marketing really

>>723663918
the anon was asking about it being unsafe to use as a pc i presume for web browsing buying stuff etc

>>723633528 (OP)
Win10 works just fine for me, why would I update?

>>723633528 (OP)
good morning sir there might not be a single issues but I will still not redeem the windows 11 you benchod bastard bitch

>>723637894
Lol at all this pointless bullshit. Just block telemetry and use start11.

>it does nothing therefor you should install it!
how about no? how about you just stop patching and shut the fuck up and fuck off faggot loser

i love the microsoft, cause he makes my life convenient and i don't use troonix
I love TPM
I love secureboot
I love bitwarden

>>723663918
It's funny that if they thought anyone would believe it they would still use that slogan, but it's so bald faced what they are doing it'd seem dystopian and Orwellian if they used it now, like having a Ministry of Truth or the like.

>>723633528 (OP)
I wasn't able to because Win11 is demanding I go into the BIOS or something and change a bunch of shit, which I have no idea how to do.

>>723663049
>communicate with the other players
Why would I? I only want to play with my friends

>>723659057
based fellow extra update year enjoyer

>>723662574
How much does hiro get paid for windows advertising?

>>723633528 (OP)
>bricks your ssd after an update
how do you respond without sounding mad

>>723661823
Okay so where is your proof then?

>>723665474
i-i'll just get an new ssd and insta...
>can't use keyboard to navigate through bios

>>723665587
Proof is stored in the balls.

>>723665687
i don't think it affects the bios

>>723665993
see
>>723636745

>>723666161
bios isn't windows recovery environment
you can boot off a flash drive still

>>723662151
Sudachi and Ryubing imo. Yuzu fork and Ryujinx fork, respectively. Sudachi is ogre though, so finding a download link might be difficult. Eden is the newest one but in my experience it barely fucking functions. Only good for games that don't run on older emus.

>>723665916
>no proof
QED

>>723668541
also u

>>723664978
I wouldn't bother anyways, just play it safe with whatever you are on now, unless you want to jump through those hoops just to fight jeets trying to figure out how to wring money from windows users now that they control microsoft in a retarded back and forth forever.

>>723638673
the gov will just bail them out and the taxpayers will take the hit.

Will Windows Defender stop working?
What happens if we don't get updates to Windows 10?

>>723654803
Please tell me you're joking. I can't tell.

>>723670514
Maybe. The whole "electron is le web browser in y our [software]" really did spread around unironically for a while without people actually understanding it

>>723668541
>>723668893
>Present proof against my no proof otherwise my no proof becomes proof against your no proof.
Interesting conversation, but can you lads just kiss and make up already?

>>723670271
Hello, alphoomer. This is an 18+ website. Kindly fuck off.

>>723633528 (OP)
N

>>723670271
>Will Windows Defender stop working?
No, but it will stop getting updates, which makes it less and less effective as time goes on.
>What happens if we don't get updates to Windows 10?
Nothing really, it will still work, same as always.

>>723670756
MSTeams uses Edge components. Edge is also impossible to uninstall from W11.

I upgraded last week.
I haaaate the dynamic sizing of the taskbar more than anything else. It's such a minor nuisance that's pissed me off so much. Something's always moving around in my peripheral vision, it's so distracting.
Can't change it, don't want third party apps to fix it.
Who even decides on this stuff anymore? I refuse to believe this was an active decision that people thought properly about.

do I NEED 11 If everything still just werks on Windows 10? the only game coming out that I care about is Death Stranding 2

>>723663362
>Realistically how long can you stay on w10 before it becomes unsafe and programs start losing support.
At least 5

>>723671959
>don't want third party apps to fix it.
just move on and install StartAllBack already.

>>723671608
yeah but it doesn't really mean anything in practical terms

>>723671996
>coming out
>Kojima Stranding Dos: Las Mierdas de Mexico
You're a fucking idiot.

>>723672691
it's not out on PC yet friend

Good evening Saar!

>>723672083
>StartAllBack
is it actually good or is it a resource hog like start11?

>>723633528 (OP)
IDK my Windows 11 has been trying to run an update since the 14-15th(?) of October and it just keeps failing over and over.
>Something went wrong.
>You don't need to worry.
>Reverting changes.
Then it loops like that. Every day nowAt this point I don't know if I can ever get another update (which was the only reason to upgrade in the first place...)

I was using Windows 11 since shortly after it came out. I've used software such as NTLite to take out the telemetry and bloat.
At the end of the day, I don't like Microsoft and the direction they're taking Windows. The push for AI plus more invasive spyware practices was the last straw for me.
I'm on Linux now, CatchyOS, an Arch fork. My main game, Black Desert runs better than it on Windows. Linux isn't for everybody, but there are good alternatives to Windows if you're willing to try.

>>723674271
I don't notice any lag from it. Feels like a stock UI.

2070 Super
Ryzen 3600
16 GB

Works on my machine.
>intrusive AI features
All disabled in group policy.

Nice melty Loonitards

>microsoft keeps telling me to upgrade
>but won't let me because it says my cpu isn't good enough or something
>they keep telling me to upgrade when it knows I can't
retarded company

>consolewarfagging/flagrant-fanboyism is on every thread in some form or capacity, even on pc gaming threads now
I hate nu/v/ i hate nu/v/ i hate nu/v/

>>723633528 (OP)
Might want to check again on that "zero issues" claim, Randeep

>>723675842
You can thank the 2% of the population for being as obnoxious as they can be.

>>723633528 (OP)
Do people say W11 has compatibility issues? From my experience it's really just "being a super shitty OS" issues.

I hit my old computer which used to run Windows 10 with "systemd-analyze has-tpm2" and it returned that there is no firmware or driver for it on the system. ASRock kinda short changing me by not including TPM2, there's only a TPM2 header somewhere on the board and you'd have to buy a separate chip for it.
So it turns out I could have never updateted to Windows 11 on that PC, if it was still running Windows 10.

I'm still using it to play some games so it's not shit enough that it has to end up on an e-waste pile quite yet.

>>723676173
Steam users are not a realistic metric of hardcore gamers.

>>723676173
Anon, you're consolewarring. You are exactly what I was talking about. You are part of the problem.
Do the quality of this site a favor, and round yourself up with all tendies, snoys, xbots, etc, and consider mass suicide.

>>723675678
I think you can force it with massgrave, but you can also just extended your w10 support if you are doing that.

I got a new SSD to back up all my porn but I've been to lazy to do so. After I back up my porn I'll update to Win11.
>but it doesn't erase shit
Major updates still have the chance to update wrong and fuck your system up homie.

>>723676305
>noooo stop noticing

>>723676608
?????
I dualboot Windows 11 with Arch Linux and alternate between each other where useful, dipshit. I'm not a flagrant fanboy -- unlike you.

>>723641632
I mean, you can always dual boot and use w11/12 just to game

>>723637894
>disable rounded edges

get a load of this faggot

>>723676734
>12

>>723676724
>Dualbooting arch linux

if u aint using ubuntu that means u gotta disable secure boot and thats a no go lmao

You must listening to Brahmin aryan men sirs. Windows 10 is not goodful OS.

>>723676724
>I dualboot
one day you will understand why this is not a good idea.

>>723677024
You can boot arch with secure boot (not the installer, though). You would just have to set it up yourself, as usual with Arch.

>>723633528 (OP)
I’d rather wait for Windows 12

>>723677024
You can set up your own secure boot keys with pretty much any distro now. Been this way for years desu

>>723663412
>There's literally no reason not to,
What if I don't want to connect to a sketchy russian server to activate my windows?

>>723675842
>know what you're dealing with coming in
This one's on you, pal. You're free to leave at any moment

>>723677613
idk the eurobros on reddit gave me a script to flag my install for the extended year

>>723633528 (OP)
So why did they skip Windows 9, anyway? "Bad number" in some culture or some bullshit?

Euro girls have sex with Indian men every day