Thread 723654659

When the man who made Aeriths theme speaks, you sit down and you listen

You really don't get much of AI for music, everything comes out very generic and with low quality. If I told AI to put more notes on a single music sheet and play it in an instrument I don't have, and he sent me back a high quality file of it, then it would be bonkers. But unfortunately there's no model for that yet

is someone's shitty take on the internet going to stop the biggest shareholders in the world from incestuously laundering their fictional money through each other to make the value of said fictional money go higher

>>723654659 (OP)
The industry will replace every man like this with an AI. And you will buy the content.

>>723654825
I mean Nobuo probably knows what AI shit Squeenix is tinkering with behind the scenes

He's not wrong
You never hear game devs praising AI tools, it always comes from management looking to fire people to cut costs

>>723654768
>real art is when you put in the work
humanity didn't care when they got thousands of tailors and seamstress out of business because they kept inventing cheaper and cheaper mass production machines to make textiles faster and easier.

you don't need ai if you just steal the music form western artist

>>723654659 (OP)
Udio is pretty damn impressive already. I say this as a musician and composer (not even remotely as good as Uematsu of course). I can only imagine how insane this tech could get in the future.

>>723654825
yeah it seems to me that the big players all trained on complete songs rather than (for example) individual instrument midi tracks.

>>723654659 (OP)
Generative AI art is incredibly degenerate for society. It should be illegal to produce those products for such purposes.

>>723654825
>You really don't get much of AI in general, everything comes out very generic and with low quality
ftfy

>>723655213
Calm your pimples.

>>723654959
The only use case I could think of is generating placeholder voice lines, letting the devs test lipsync tools and mix environmental audio in a way that won't overshadow the dialogues. And with placeholders they can readily edit the parts that don't work well.

is it true that zoomers and alphoomers are incapable of functioning without asking AI everything?

>>723655213
Good morning saar!

>>723654659 (OP)
For me, the use of AI is a red flag as it shows that the dev/publisher is either too cheap, or too lazy to hire actual artists and musicians for the game
And if said artists and musicians are using AI as well, then to me its a sign that they are too lazy to do actual work
Well that and everything AI makes is by its very nature generic, since it requires previous works as samples to make something, and by taking a bunch of different things one ends up with a generic mush

>>723655470
Most music people make is generic, especially videogame music. There are the rare experimental composers or composers with their own unique style but the majority is generic background noise, this tier of composer is almost definitely going to get replaced by AI sooner or later.
>too lazy to do actual work
Results are what matter, not effort. If I put my soul into digging and filling a hole in my backyard, is anyone going to care?

>>723654659 (OP)
Pretty sure anyone with a creative bone in their body believes this.
Anyone can pretend that AI is going to make you great at something, but remove the tool and what are you left with...

This is how you know AI will win. Everyone takes the path of least resistance.

>>723655063
Tailor made suits are better than mass produced ones .

>>723655896
If someone is willing to cheapen out on music, then he is willing to cheapen out on other things as well
And I doubt that a video game made by people who are willing to cheapen out is gonna be good

>>723655390
I want AI that does uv unwrapping and retopo cause I think it's boring

>>723655213
He has used AI in his work. Just not generative AI as the article emphasized

>>723656125
depends on scale, WI might make a indie game feel like a AA game, but AAA games definitively needs a real musician

>>723655896
>If I put my soul into digging and filling a hole in my backyard, is anyone going to care?
depends on why you're digging it and what you're filling it with
either way assuming you're going out of your way to show it to someone and not just waiting for someone to look at your backyard if you didn't put your heart into it it'll likely show in the results
this hypothetical is kind of stupid

>>723654659 (OP)
i don't think that's one of his better tracks

>>723655201
that's precisely what ai does

>>723655986
>but remove the tool and what are you left with...
What a stupid argument. Videogames as a medium can't even exist without the modern high tech tool that we call a "computer."
>>723656125
Videogame development is a business, they are constantly trying to minimize costs in any way they can. "Willing to cheap out" is a given.

>>723656314
it is great and melancholic. name 10 tracks better

>>723655213
I'm in my 30s and I have not only refused to get a smartphone the moment they became a trend, but I will reject AI anything in my path.

>>723656636
You phrased this very strangely. What you're saying is you weren't an early smartphone adopter, but you own one now?

>>723655213
Chuds see you as ESL

>>723656821
since refused*

>>723656105
And the majority of the whole world doesnt care because the other one is cheaper.
Same with mass produced food, furniture, shoes, toys, and whatever household knickknacks. They don't care about whatever skill or "soul" they're missing out on by buying a cheap mass produced table from ikea instead of paying a talented carpenter to work hard on creating a custom made table.

>>723654768
>AI in creativity is for the people who have no skill, no work, no effort, no ethic.

>They just want to push a button.

>>723655434
That's what COVID lockdowns were about. Neuter their sensibilities, and then offer a halfbaked solution.

It's just another step in domesticating the gentiles.

>>723657680
As long as you don't expect money or acclaim for your lack of effort, fine.

>>723654768
Truth hurts. But then again lets be honest

Zoomers are fucking troglodyte niggers so they have no idea what the fuck he's even talking about

>>723657834
>That's what COVID lockdowns were about.
Covid was not a big deal, didn't lasted for long, there's been wars that lasted longer and were more impactful on the youth.

Zoomers are just lazy retards and their parents are human waste.

AI is literally dysgenic and will unironically create an idiocracy situation. That alone should be enough reason to be scrambling to destroy it.

LLMs have peaked and the companies behind it are desperate to convince you otherwise. From here, any model at any scale can only get worse as they aggregate, and muddle information from various sources of contaminated data.
Disproportionate number of fingers/toes in images? Only going to get worse. Boring melodies in generated songs with awkward lyrics? Only going to get worse.

For every professional who managed to incorporate AI into his workflow there's a hundred adult babies using it as "Alexa, play Baby Shark"

trannies seething ITT

>>723654659 (OP)
I will use this opportunity to say that I always disliked Final Fantasy's music.
Except the Chocobo theme.

>>723655896
>Results are what matter, not effort.
You
are
destroying
humanity.

>>723656082
The true downside to this option isn't the path or even the outcome... it's the investment.
>Game = $80
>"I'm not getting enough profit! MAKE THE NEXT GAME WITH AI MUSIC!"
>Next Game = $80
>"Ah, there we go! Fuck my consumers! Fuck my employees!"

It's obvious that this will be better in the future, and the human creative process is the same, only more advanced. You don't invent new things, you compile from what you've already seen. And the idea that you have to work harder is stupid. You might as well haul water from a well instead of having a pipeline.

AI is for the kind of soulless automaton who uses the phrase "I create content" in a real conversation.

>>723658529
Cursor, Engines, ChatGPT have done an incredible damage to every single aspect of human life it's actually unreal. I remembering the calculator being prohibited in the early years of my Uni day in certain classes, they literally forced you to do the math and the code yourself.

If you ever wonder why games are dogshit it's not only because of Engines, it's because people can't code anymore. Engines already streamlined every game so everything feels and plays the same (even worse if it's some turbo dogshit mobile workflow like godot or unity) but now we also have illiterate coders importing shitty code to the streamlined engine, it's fucking unreal.

Nuke the datacenters and india already, i fucking hate India so much it's unreal. I hate everyone and everything. Acquire wealth and fuck society

webm not related but it's funny

>>723658312
>Covid was not a big deal, didn't lasted for long, there's been wars that lasted longer and were more impactful on the youth.
Are you kidding me? They plunged the whole world into two years of full go psyop along with hyper inflation that hasn't corrected, while training zoomers to wear a mask, along with a bio weapon culling the weak, then injected turbo cancer into the gullible. The normalfags that regreated it "totally" forgot about it once they realize the mistake they did. I still see some kids still to this day wearing a mask. I was at cvs a week ago and I saw a pregnant woman getting a booster along with a line of mothers and kids, blessing their kids autism. I would say around a 1/8 of the people I knew are dead, all died in the last five years. Now think what its gonna be like in another five years?

>>723658846
You grow your own food, right?

>>723659201
Be glad you are american brother man bill, you wouldn't last a single day in the jungle.

>>723654659 (OP)
He’s right, you know.

>>723659172
if you hate everything so much then maybe you should try killing yourself

I have never used chat GPT.
I have only ever used that chinese generative AI thing that was popular last year or 2023, I can't even remember, but it lost its luster pretty fast and I got bored typing in shitty prompts to make shitty webms to shitpost with and I don't do it anymore.

AI plays virtually 0 role in my life whatsoever and I'm fine with it that way. I even ignore those shitty AI google search results and just look at the links below that are actually relevant.

>>723659232
Yes.

>>723659292
Sorry i meant to say everything and everyone that's related to companies and the government, mainly the education system. It's just a bunch of actual psychopaths or sociopaths w/e i don't know the difference, hey alexa what's the difference i have no fucking clue and i can't use a deectionaree

>>723659381
AI google thing has SOME value at least, because google itself is pure dogshit these days (by design).

>>723654659 (OP)
>harship is what makes the creative process rewardibg
this has never been a thing in music, it's the total opposite
or he has never experienced real hardship

>>723659050
I'm going to create your posts with AI, in the future. I don't need you.

I just want to know why boomers believe suffering builds character. Where did it come from. Why did these assholes think they suffered.

>>723659484
Jazz was created by the struggle of an entire race and it's unironically the best genre ever created. It's like classical + energy + racism and struggles n shieet. Mumble wording is not a real genre

>>723659554
That's exactly why they have no character, they never suffered

>>723659554
That's pretty self-explanatory. If you never face tough situations, how can you possibly gain experience on dealing with tough situations?
Someone who lived a sheltered life with no hardship will be a little bitch that folds under pressure every time, simply because he never learned what to do.

>>723659201
>We've created decades of terrible government management and spending!
>People are getting angry with us and our companies!
>What do you we do!?
>I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!
>We'll blame a tame disease!
>COVID is to blame!
Blame Canada!

In the past, nostalgia was a word with negative connotations, it was a person that was stuck living in the past and reminiscing about the things they once knew that are no longer, it was seen as pejorative.
Now honestly, the future is bleak. The way that things are going now society is only going to get more and more dumb. People aren't learning to think for themselves anymore, they want some AI bot shit to solve everything for them so they don't have to research or think or read.

Kids are literally communicating with AI chatbots to replace having real friendships and real experiences. We are fucking done, nothing ever gets better things will continue to get worse and there's never EVER any going back to the way things were even just a decade ago. Those times are gone.

>>723659672
Jazz sucks

t. Jazz musician

>>723654659 (OP)
I would shit on this guy any day of the week.

>>723654768
Elon Must destroyed

>>723659672
If it's so great, why is it the easiest for AI to generate?

>>723659554
Because it does. Just look at all the shit made today by people who had everything handed to them.

>>723659771
For free?

>>723659672
blues is better

>>723659381
>AI plays virtually 0 role in my life whatsoever
The problem is that you are ignorant.
AI is in your motherfucking car, now.
"I don't own a car!"
It's in your subway and railway system even more.
>and I'm fine with it that way
You're in for a world of hurt.

>>723659554
He's not talking about suffering, he's talking about actually having the willpower to do things

>>723659769
What's a good genre then?

>>723654659 (OP)
I'll wait until the man who made the kingdom of zeal theme speaks.

>>723659554
I don't know but it's just one more reason as to why boomers need to die out ASAP

>>723656491
Vidya development is a business, yes, just like movie production
But unless said movies and vidya aren't made with at least some passion behind it by the creatives in charge, then more often than not said vidya will end up bad
Its a creative medium as well as a business venture, and publishers lessening focus on said creativity is why AAA gaming is doing so badly

>>723659882
Of course, anon. It will be very painful for us "luddites" in just two more weeks.

>>723659484
You're completely wrong. Music is birthed from hardship. People will do ANYTHING to distract themselves from pain or reward themselves to celebrate. They'll "play" music with ANYTHING. Tap their feet, clap their hands, sing... and people LOVE others when it sounds nice.

>>723654659 (OP)
Ok, boomer

>>723654659 (OP)
>>723654768
based. this is how a real, normal (heterosexual) man thinks. the challenge and personal growth is the reward. this is what it means to be better men, not simping over a coal burner

>>723659554
He isn’t suggesting that artists suffer for the sake of suffering, just that they actually go to the effort of making art instead of asking something or someone to make it for them.

>>723654659 (OP)
he look incel

>>723654659 (OP)
AI being useful for music is something only midwits believe. If you can already write music then it doesn't help, and if you can't it still won't write you better music than what those who can would write. It's like how midwits believe aim is most important in pro CS etc.

>>723659771
calm down, Jeet. Not everything has to involve shit.

There is no such thing as an "AI artist"

When you proompt, you are the commissioner, not the artist.

>>723660103
>the challenge and personal growth is the reward
The fact that the end result will be better is also a pretty good argument for just handworking your shit.

Uematsu is a plagiarist who stole a large portion of his work from prog rock artists. Ultimately what is the difference between what he did and what AI is doing?

https://youtu.be/AGGpBXd7ToA
https://youtu.be/vKNZqM0d-xo

>>723657451
And? What's your point?
You wanna spend your time and money on mass-produces slop games or something worth playing?

>>723660364
>The fact that the end result will be better is also a pretty good argument for just handworking your shit.
That's the most important thing, Slop is flopping left and right

>>723660407
>>723660439
You know you made a good point when you got people making retarded copes like this. If its so easy why havent you done it? Watch as they say something completely retarded again.

>>723654825
>everything comes out very generic and with low quality
Just like everything AI generated

>>723656105
Sounds like people are just too poor.
Those with money have 1 of a kind objects. I still have my gold plated Wii and Wii controllers.
The poor can like slop, but doesn't make it gold.
Paid a composer to make a genuine birthday girl song for my daughter and the only people who ever listened to it were the people invited to her birthday.
Stay poor, think poor, buy AI or Ikea. Whatever argument needed to make yourself feel better.

>>723654768
>>723654659 (OP)
I understand his point, art can't just be rolled on a slot machine and published immediately. That said, I do believe AI prompters do create art, they use their visions to produce work that fits their vision. If the genned output is ill suited or doesn't work you regen or refine your prompt. Also AI doesn't just make thr whole song, maybe I want AI to write a bassline for the melody I composed. Maybe I want AI to draw some tween frames when feeding it the keyframes I made. Idk, I find "AI BAD!" is kind of caveman-ish. Like you can use fire for constructive helpful purposes, it doesn't JUST burn down forests and enrich tech billionaires. Run you machine locally. You can finetune and uncensor to your heart's content when you're in control.

>>723659927
classical

he prefers to just plagiarize everything from what ever rock he happens to listen to at the moment

>>723660858
>Want good things?
>Then buy good things.
>This is so easy, I cannot comprehend you people.
We call this thinking process "infantile."

>>723660494
the point is, this "think of the poor artists/they poured their soul into their work/we must support them" shit never actually mattered and didn't persuade the populace back then.

>>723660889
Let's grant you all that "ethical" argument as being correct.
Let's grant you all that. "You're right!"
Let's grant you that "using AI creates more products."

...what benefit?
Who is benefitting?
Do you have any idea what "resources" are?
Do you have any idea what "skills" are?

Your ideology is absolutely crippling to YOU and EVERYONE AROUND YOU.
You are not omnipotent.

>>723660889
99% of people who use AI are not like you and just want the AI to do everything. What you are doing takes thought and intelligence, things these jeets lack.

>>723660025
>People will do ANYTHING to distract themselves from pain
So what you're really saying is that hardship lowers your standards for entertainment. Anything is fine as long as it distracts you from the pain. Meanwhile, a healthy, happy, high functioning person has higher standards and the negro clapping his hands going "OH LAWDY" is not interesting.

>>723660889
>That said, I do believe AI prompters do create art, they use their visions to produce work that fits their vision.
I don’t believe this because they aren’t directly translating their vision into a visual medium on their own. Using only AI tools to generate an image ultimately leaves the final product at the mercy of however the AI wants to render and compose the image no matter how specific the prompt is or how coherent and legible the final product is.
I think prompter is already a very suitable word, and that they aren’t artists. They’re more like supervisors or engineers than artists.

>>723654768
are you a bot. Im not the op and I didnt post it. Did you scan the article and bump the thread up

>>723654659 (OP)
I only sit down and listen to obese black women

why is it so hard for people who use AI to just admit its slop. When i use AI to make shit to coom to, i know its dogshit, im not going to spend hours pretending its some work of art.

Niggas be like "AI is just a tool"

>>723661362
>Meanwhile, a healthy, happy, high functioning person has higher standards
And when he wants music, does he ask AI or does he go to a concert?

>negro clapping his hands going "OH LAWDY"
And when HE wants music, does he ask AI or does he fo to a concert?

What's the difference, here?
Do you see it? Do you see the difference between "quality" and "low quality?"

Let's try medicine!
Does the healthy-wealthy-happy man who wants a cure pay his resources for a doctor or does he seek HEROIN?
Does the defunct-dumb-distraught man who wants a cure pay his no-resources for a doctor or does he murder anyone in a frenzy for HEROIN?
>AI won't kill you, Anon.
Its creators certainly will.
And, eventually, it will, too.

>>723660439
uematsu composed/recorded the equivalent of 80 albums at least. also there is concept in music of playing standards and transposing music into new keys or on new instruments or into next genres. I shouldn’t have to explain the difference to you between that and using AI or even sampling music. if I took the time I could take every single song you like and find someone that did it first 100 years ago

>>723655213
>>723655896
>>723658690
SAAAAAR

>>723654768
I've tried to learn to draw. I spent months trying to learn. I never improved.

Now Stable Diffusion gives me unlimited porn of Krystal from Starfox on demand.

I think it's amazing how whenever someone talks about AI their examples are all about grand things. No, you fucking idiot. No one expects you to, nor should you ever, use AI on big important aspects of anything.
Use it to take busywork out of unimportant things, like putting foliage on trees. That's where it'll shine.
No one is taking the time to learn about the thing they supposedly hate so much, and how it can genuinely be useful. They just jump to the worst case scenario and blindly hate it.
Sheep. The lot of them. And they lose respect from me for it.

>>723661030
where do u suppose that rock came from?

>>723661845
How are you trying to learn? Nigga just master shapes and lighting and you'll already be able to make something visually appealing

>>723660889
It literally can’t be art because it isn’t self expression just like finishing a puzzle isn’t creating art. you’re just assembling pieces that were already created by a computer literally tracing someone else’s already existing art. the icing on the cake is that ai art also looks and sounds like shit

>>723654659 (OP)
Cant wait for the shoe to drop and all the ai dorks get locked out of their models because the mouse gets sick of Woody from Toy Story reading mein kampf on tik tok.

>>723654659 (OP)
He's not wrong but he will die and get replaced by troglodytes using ai and you can't do anything about it (except blowing up google hq in minecraft).

>>723661995
https://youtu.be/khfT4PqBKHY

>>723654659 (OP)
beyond based

>>723661909
>Use it to take busywork out of unimportant things, like putting foliage on trees. That's where it'll shine.
Thats not what 99% of these people do. They are using it for EVERYTHING, from start to finish. They don't want to put any effort in anything. Go look at rule34 for instance, pretty much all the AI art there, is people using the same god damn model so everyone ai looks the same. There is no experimenting or trying to be unique. Its just generic blandness. AI is not going to push us to new height, its just gonna bury us in garbage because quality works are rare for a reason. And the average joe does not have a clue what is good.

>>723661845
Do you think you've improved for this new software?
Have you paid anyone to use this new software?
Is your mother's life improved because you masturbate regularly to Krystal from Starfox after paying (or not paying) to use "Stable Diffusion" AI prompts?
Do your children have more respect for you, now, thanks to AI?
Does President Clibustrumbamden value your vote now, thanks to AI?

>>723654659 (OP)
There is a whole series of videos on youtube about how hacks like him just copy and tweak popular music. Wrestling does it to for theme songs.

>>723659882
My car is from the 2010s, it's an older CRV.
I don't take public transport.
AI literally plays no role in my life, I don't even use AI on my phone or any other device.

I don't use social media.
I've never had a twitter account or made a post on there.
I had a facebook over a decade ago which I never used, uploaded a few pictures in the late 2000s but never used it for anything and deleted it over a decade ago.
Never had an instagram or tiktok nor ever will. There's other social media that I've also never used.
I'm literally stuck in the past. I'm almost 40 years old and I'm still living as I was a decade or more ago.

The only social media I ever had was a myspace back in high school which I actually used a lot and uploaded a lot of stuff to, AIM too before that to keep in touch with friends after I moved.

I don't plan on AI ever having anything to do with my life and I like it that way.

>erm this piece of work isn't actually good because uh...you didn't work hard!
imagine being this retarded

Yoko Shimomura is better. That being said, both have wasted their talent/lives working for a dogshit company that repays their creativity and hard work with treachery and sloth.

He won’t use it because it sucks

The music it makes is dogshit, the guy can write a whole operetta, he doesn’t need dogshit stolen tunes

>>723654768
but I did put in the work through prompting

>>723661909
>should
And here is where humanity will scream at you.
I predict that "AI" voting will genuinely be a thing in western culture before I die.
The United States of America will have NEW "Electoral Votes" to help select its President, and it will include "AI Sources" and every state will shift.

>>723662174
Did he steal it

>>723662304
>he doesn't need dogshit stolen tunes
anon, I...

>>723662241
post the series atleast retard

Why does the AI discussion animate v so much

>>723662241
that is how all music works you absolute retard. People today and even 200 years ago used mozart and beethovens music to build upon. God you guys are so fucking stupid.

>>723662259
You must realize that (You) do not encapsulate 9 billion people on Planet Earth. If you think your active avoidance of using AI is preventing AI from impacting your life in Boston, MA, you truly are ignorant.

The very fact you are using "the Internet" to make posts on a web-forum PROVES that "Artificial Intelligence" software programming has more control of your life than you realize. If you want my respect, flee now. I wish I would flee, myself...

Chatgpt is just a smarter and more modular Google, I don't know why people bring it up in the case of using AI for art, which is just slop

>>723662076
After fucking around with slop generation for a bit I've come to the conclusion that the discussion about whether AI art is stealing or creating something new is entirely incorrect. What it actually is, is counterfeiting. It's the digital equivalent of that sonic obama harry potter backpack.

>>723662271
By the same token:
>erm this piece of work isn't actually good because uh... I say so
Can you tell if I'm speaking about an artist or an AI program?
Do you think that stance actually occurs?

creativity isn't tied to the tools you use or how much effort you put in. it's about ideas having room to grow and evolve in accordance to evocative qualities that you protect from arbitrary introspection that makes it come off as forced. if you can do this while avoiding hardships, you are simply being rational. going from film to digital didn't kill cinema. going from 2d to 3d didn't kill animation. why? because the tools don't define the work, it's the vision and ambition behind the person using them. If you have a concept and you immediately execute it, it doesn't matter how. the drive is an artistic one, and anyone saying otherwise is merely virtue signalling.

>>723654659 (OP)
Headline thread and pretty much no bait, I'm impressed /v/

>>723662536
Tell me: does "Tetris" use stolen music?
If you hear "Korobeiniki," are you stealing music? Who are you stealing from? What's your punishment?
Is it deserved?

>>723654768
Based beyond belief.

>>723662839
>going from 2d to 3d didn't kill animation
Yes it did >_> CGI killed the 2D animation industry

>>723662697
I've been using 4chan for almost 20 years now, life really hasn't changed much for me. I don't really travel and am basically a NEET.
I'm not going to change, at this point I'm incapable of it.
I can successfully live in my own bubble and continue on as long as the things I have done for decades are still possible to do, posting on 4chan, watching youtube, watching tv shows and movies, playing vidya and the other hobbies I have.

The world is changing but I'm not, I guess I'll be left behind in the dustbin and forgotten but I'm OK with that.

AI is so great that it needs to be constantly forced in people's faces to justify the investment.

>>723662839
yes my friend. If you commission a piece from an artist then you made it because you're the ideas guy

>>723662770
that’s true but I also think that’s a draw for a lot of people using it. they’re saying “draw some futa porn in the style of uno makoto” or “make a sad folk song in the style of Dylan” without actually saying it, but that’s what they’re getting. it’s even more frustrating that what you get is incredibly bland and repetitive and in the case of porn doesn’t even fucking work half the time

>>723662174
>>723660439
> ChatGPT, compose a loopable videogame track based on emerson, lake and palmer.

> Yes Uematsu.

>>723654768
Kind of ironic to say something like that, when his music is only popular/highly regarded because of the games they are in.

Without the work of everyone else which he contributed ZERO effort into, his music would not receive a single ounce of praise.

Absolute L opinion/take from someone who doesn't understand technology and thinks his fame is his own doing. (It's not)

>>723660889
>You can finetune and uncensor to your heart's content when you're in control.
You're never in control, you're just tard wrangling RNG out of a limited dataset and praying your glorified automated photoshop webUI manages to shit out something close to what you envision in your head.

>>723654659 (OP)
-Quote from a massive plagiarist

>>723654659 (OP)
I don't really care what people becoming adults in the 70s - 90s have to say about hardship.

>>723654659 (OP)
>guy who grew up without AI says he didn't use AI
*slow clap*

>>723661331
clothes are a necessity, and even then you still have a tailored suit for work and important events
Video games are a pass-time and hobby with stiff competition

>>723654768
He's actually right

>>723663320
>Without the work of everyone else which he contributed ZERO effort into, his music would not receive a single ounce of praise.
This is a completely retarded argument because he would be a completely different person in that example. You are dumb.

>>723662839
your first line is correct but that doesn’t mean that sampling songs or using ai to commission art makes you an artist. you are also misunderstanding what a hardship is when it comes to art. being unable to draw something because you suck at it and then spending 1000 hours failing to finally have the skill to draw what you originally wanted to was the hardship. there is literally no growth in any field without failure/experimentation

>>723663320
>when his music is only popular/highly regarded because of the ______ they're in
Did you just speak about John Williams?
Michael Jackson?
Do you think Christmas Carols, sung in December, are top-class musical pieces?

>>723661845
Post your drawings, unless you're a lazy and retarded nigger you can learn how to draw, even I did

>>723662839
>because the tools don't define the work
the people using this tool are absolutely using it to define the work, they lack everything necessary for being creative and rely on the AI doing all the hard lifting, its not a tool anymore.

>>723663320
maybe he composed the song to fit the game and not the other way around unless you are saying he’s only famous because he’s popular

>Uematsu thread
lol
Final Fantasy 6 Dancing Mad = The Burning Sword Of Capua by Triumvirat
Final Fantasy 6 Dancing Mad = Toccata And Fugue by Bach
Final Fantasy 6 Dancing Mad = Tarkus by Emerson, Lake, & Palmer
Final Fantasy 6 Dancing Mad = Miracle Sleeper by Dream Theater
Final Fantasy 7 One Winged Angel = The Rite Of Spring by Stravinsky
Final Fantasy 7 Boss (guitar) = Jailbait by Motörhead
Final Fantasy 7 Boss (guitar) = School's Out by Alice Cooper
Final Fantasy 7 Boss (keys) = Foreplay by Boston
Final Fantasy 7 Battle theme = Blue Rondo à La Turk by Dave Brubeck
Final Fantasy Series Main Theme = Let My Love Open The Door by Pete Townshend
Final Fantasy Series Main Theme = Neverending Story's The Auryn
Final Fantasy 4 Airship Theme = Neverending Story's Happy Flight
Final Fantasy 5 Spreading Grand Wings = Neverending Story's Happy Flight
Final Fantasy 9 Airship Theme = Neverending Story's Happy Flight
Final Fantasy 5 Prologue = Neverending Story's Moonchild
Final Fantasy 7 Anxious Heart = Spacelab by Kraftwerk
Final Fantasy 7 Turks Theme = Neverending Story's Swamps Of Sadness
Final Fantasy 6 Boss = Journey From Mariabronn by Kansas
Final Fantasy 6 Locke Theme = Back To The Future's Main Theme
Final Fantasy 6 Shadow Theme = The Virginian by Percy Faith
Final Fantasy 7 Shinra Theme = Red by King Crimson
Final Fantasy 7 Shinra Theme = The Running Man's Main Theme
Final Fantasy 4 Melody Of Lute = Prelude No. 1 by Bach
Final Fantasy 7 Electric De Chocobo = Wipe Out by Surfaris
Final Fantasy 8 Dollet Demo = The Rock by Hans Zimmer
The overworld to Zeal Kingdom in Chrono Trigger = Ohmu by Joe Hisaishi

>>723661845
Wow, entire months? Brutal. :|

>>723654768
But isnt that how final fantasy was made? Sakaguchi came up with the idea and had others make it. He was like "hey uematsu, wanna compose some progrock shit for my videogame?" and he did.
Everyone involved did a great job, but sakaguchi leaving and final fantasy immediately turning to shit is kinda proof that you need a idea guy.

>>723661331
Despite what you might think, not everything is about persuading the majority populace. The majority populace is not comprised of artists, so if you had any genuine interest in understanding the nature of good art, you would check that faggy ratioing mentality at the door and get a clue.

So many people, ITT, fail to see the next step in this process.
The step everyone is so loud about;
>NOW BUY IT
>GIVE ME YOUR MONEY AND ATTENTION AND BUY MY ART
>IT COSTS YOU, YOU'VE SEEN IT, NOW PAY ME
>I SWEAR I'LL SHOOT YOU WITH MY GUN IF YOU SAY NO
That's what people get mad about.
Failure to comply.

>>723663616
>>723663637
>>723663770
The exact quote is "They're the people who tell writers, "I'll give you the idea, then you write it, and we'll split the profits."

So, exactly what he did with the video games his music is known from.

Not a stupid argument at all. It's 100% factual and an oxymoron statement. Someone showed him the game/storyboard/setting and then he wrote the music. That's literally no different.
If you can't understand that, you truly are retarded

>>723662668
You’re talking to somebody that shitposts about how devs all need to make their own engines despite knowing nothing about computer science himself.

>was this one sequence of notes put to paper once before??? PLAGIARISM
What causes this mental illness

I'm against AI because I have to use it nearly every day

>>723663716
The Anon you're speaking to honestly believe that if he brings his car to a detailing shop in Vancouver, the shiny car he receives after two days is the result of HIS work.

If he hires a maid to vacuum his house, the clean house is thanks to HIS work.

>>723663971
>Someone showed him the game/storyboard/setting and then he wrote the music. That's literally no different.
except he knows how to make music, play instruments an excerta. People use AI to make art dont know how to draw. Stupid faggot.

>>723663970
I AM SILLY

>>723663884
the same artists who praised stupid shit like random inkblots on canvas sold for millions?

>>723663971
are you saying him being contracted to make music for a game that was already developed is equivalent to him asking ai to make him something? I find you’re having a hard time articulating your thoughts

>>723664127
You are very silly, yes.

>>723654768
Brutally accurate.

>>723662271
I remember reading some article forever ago about how the latest Katy Perry single has like 100 layered tracks and an incredible amount of slavish work put into it on the production side and all I could think was "And this is the result? What a waste of effort."

>>723664063
retards thinking that listening to music is knowing about music when they’ve never even learned to play an instrument

>>723664063
An extremely advanced case of Dunning-Krueger and a terrible personality.

>>723663836
Do you realize that, in just those six games you mentioned, Nobuo Uematsu completed MORE than 500 musical tracks?

Do you think if I play G#, I'm stealing from "Aerosmith?"

You know, all those new slop videos made me realise that we are actually about to be shrouded in a total illusion where all is fake and you have to doubt everything.
And it's just going to get worse.

>>723664281
>more is always better

>>723664345
I’m probably logging off for good sometime in the next decade.

>>723663836
>Triumvirat
hehehe i get it because it's a rat
it's a play on words
Triumvirate and rat
get it?
A rat on the Triumvirate? A Triumvirat? It's funny xD!

I don't think chuds see the irony in getting behind big corporate CEO's to own the libtards

>>723664312
Oh please, that isn't even the start of how much he plagiarized. Almost everything. Not even an exaggeration. Uematsu is a massive fraud

>>723660889
SAAAAAR

>>723654659 (OP)
>listen to the same faggot who ruined FF7
only double digit iq retards would do this

>>723654659 (OP)
>>723654768
Jesus Christ, finally a based Jap with the right take on AI. Absolutely kino. That quote is based beyond belief.

>>723664401
I'll miss you bro...

>>723664456
if you think that’s plagiarism bro I have some sad news to tell you about the Beatles….

>>723664487
Can’t ask for a better endorsement than one from a guy who killed somebody in the workplace and molested his sister.

>>723654659 (OP)
Tarkus was his best album

>>723662663
It's a (relatively) new topic that hasn't been discussed to death yet (it's getting there, though).

>>723664583
You too bro. If AI manages to stay on the internet and not infect shortwave radio, you’ll catch me on a BBS over there.

It's not even a hardship thing. I think most people forget that just actually sitting down and spending time engaging in the act of making something is enjoyable in itself.

>>723664456
I wouldnt say he's a fraud. He got good taste in music and him making 8bit versions of prog-rock songs as a soundtrack to a fantasy rpg was kinda genius. That was the time when western rpg would still use beep boop renaissance fair music.

That being said, his point about idea guys being lazy fucks is retarded because he owes all his success to the biggest idea guy out there - sakaguchi.
Sakaguchi hired everyone to do exactly what he wanted and create final fantasy. Game was coded by nasir, music was done by uematsu, writing was done by Nojima, etc. And sakaguchi was paying them for it (we'll split the profits).

>>723664669
I think it’s more that AI apologists never actually had any interest in making art. They just want to be seen as artists.
Which is understandable to an extent. We all want recognition for one thing or another. It’s just not wise to let that override common sense or tact.

>>723664345
When chatgpt first took off someone posted a xitter cap on here where someone had been using it to shitpost on /v/. That's when the sun began to set for me.

>>723654659 (OP)
He also copied a track from the Running Man movie with Schwarzenegger.

>>723656636
okay but you can stop asking us for our phones then? it's fucking annoying

>>723664703
Sakaguchi going to those lengths to make his idea a reality precludes him from being a mere ideas guy. Producers and directors are hardly ideas guys.

>>723663836
Forget "Artificial" Intelligence, this nigga used OTHER PEOPLE'S intelligence. (which is technically worse)

>>723663836
>Final Fantasy 8 Dollet Demo = The Rock by Hans Zimmer
This is the only complaint with any weight to it, and The Landing turned out to be a better piece anyway.
>The overworld to Zeal Kingdom in Chrono Trigger = Ohmu by Joe Hisaishi
That's Mitsuda.

Anyway, arguing that you can't be critical of AI prompters because some of your work is too similar to other work reeks of desperation to justify putting in no effort whatsoever.

>>723662770
Machine Learning is basically taking what already exists and training a model based on it. So no matter what, AI art will always be derivative of something else and never truly unique.

>>723664703
>I wouldnt say he's a fraud.
He is. Tarkus, Running Man and all the other shit. It's more than just 'muh inspired xD'.

>>723664138
No, the other kind. AI doesn't know the difference in quality between that kind of art and any other regardless. The misguided majority is insisting upon the generic while claiming everything and everybody else literally doesn't matter, and you're endorsing that attitude for some bizarre reason.

Tommy Tallarico is the true king.
Sit down, grampa.

>>723664669
The fact that making art/music is fun is precisely why it's so hard to make money doing it. Too many people out there who are begging to do this as a job. For free, even. I actually talked to someone who worked on a videogame OST and he never got paid for it for some reason. Either because they ended up going with someone else or the game wasn't getting released or something.

>>723656105
So AI will simply make a product more accessible while those with the means and desire can still have their superior product? what's the issue here?

>>723664964
But I’m already sitting down…

>>723664754
I get the mindset but in the sphere of AI I don't think that recognition would ever be possible. Whatever you prompt can easily be replicated and prompted by other users so it's like how can you be recognized for something that other people can make easily? Not to mention things like data scraping and whatnot. That's why there's no real "AI artists" out there.

>>723663876
He was also a director and writer on many of these games though, not purely an idea man

>>723664905
uematsu goto bed, you've been exposed

Its kinda funny how ai had all the artists scrambling.
90% of spic hentai artists on twitter these days just overpaint ai generated hentai and write "plap plap plap" over it and call it a day.
At the end of the day real art will still be created by people passionate about it - but commercial art motivated by greed or desperation (which is the driving force behind all these latinx stinker patreon grifters) will become automated, simply by virtue of it making sense in a time/money equation.
Wont be different for videogaems either.

>>723664703
>Sakaguchi hired everyone to do exactly what he wanted and create final fantasy.
No, Sakaguchi gave some vague orders to everyone else much like an AI prompter, if there's somebody who owes something to someone it's him, not the people who actually sat down and did shit like Umeatsu
>writing was done by Nojima, etc
You absolute fucking clown, FF1 was a team effort by Terada, Kawazu and Ishii each contributing their own things from the basic plot, quest scenarios and cinematic parts, Kawazu wrote most quests in the game, Ishii was the one who came up with the idea for the iconic bridge cutscene, the general time travel plot point and so on, Nojima only came around with FF7.

>>723663970
>That's what people get mad about.
name 1. Western artists are poorfucks, they literally beg for patreon dollars

>>723660494
You are a genuine retard

>>723665036
Sit down more!

>>723654768
People who use AI should be honest, you aren't an artist or a musician, you are basically asking for what you want to be commissioned, asking AI to do something is no different than asking an artist to draw something for you.

>>723660439
He also got some beef in the late 80s because he copied parts of Yellow Magic Orchestra tracks.
But like Miyazaki is the le hecking wholesome japanese man beloved by millenial losers

>>723665052
We’re in complete agreement.

If you genuinely enjoy AI music than you re probably an ape in shape of a man.
At best i see a use for AI to add some backup instruments to a composed song but an entire song made using AI losses its purpose and cheapens the existence of music alone.
And no the existence of shit music made for masses does not mean you listening to something even worse justifies it if anything you admit you are worse then a normie.

He is atleast right in the way that "idea guys" are generally without actual talent.
I look at all this ai slop online and the first thing i ask myself is "Do people really like this shit?" - cause most of it is fucking terrible - the style is just some random mainstream bullshit like sakimichan/hoyoverse/ghibli and the characters have the most bland expressions and there are obvious errors left and right - errors someone could easily fix with just some inpainting or by running the AI machine more than once - but those people simply don't bother - they see a flawed mediocre output and think its great. They are not only too lazy to learn how to write or draw - they are also too lazy to press the Ai button more than once or twice. They are not only talentless hacks they also got no eye for beauty or talent whatsover.

>>723664969
It's really an awful industry and it kinda sucks. Anyone that ever advocates for "Art for exposure" should be kicked in the teeth, really.

>>723654825
>You really don't get much of AI for music, everything comes out very generic and with low quality.
Just like the E33 soundtrack.

>>723665067
When sakaguchi was still writing final fantasy games it was FF1 which has so little dialogue it fits on a napkin.

>>723665185
AI is producing better ambient black metal than real musicians.

Also it's pvre trve war against humans.

>>723660889
cringe
>>723663373
based and btfo

>>723665071
>reeks of desperation to justify putting in no effort whatsoever
Thanks for confirming.

>>723665243
he wrote ff9

why is it that /v/ whines about niggers all the time but then is obsessed with AI tools that are designed to freeload and steal from other people

>>723665278
I think that might say more about ambient black metal as a genre than it does about musicians.

>>723665190
If you know what you are doing ai art is really good. That's why most of the big new art guys on twitter don't disclose their shit is ai art and lazy retards posting their crap ai art gives them plausible deniability.
If its someone from latin america or south east asia you can be almost certain he's overpainting ai art these days. It's just how it is.

>>723665368
Because lots of retards post here.

>>723654659 (OP)
Well he co-wrote "Someday The Dream Will End" which is my favourite FF track so I guess I'll listen.

>>723665361
FF9 was most likely ghost written since the gooch was busy sinking square with his shit-ass cgi movie at the same time.

>>723665371
imho using AI for Black Metal is pretty based

>>723662839
CGI slop made animation and special effects considerably worse and those are still things that are being carefully and meticulously crafted rather than algorithm slot machine garbage

You're a retard

This is the reality

-AI wasn't able to replace Artists becuase it legit looks like dogshit. AI actually brought more people into drawing for some odd reason, people value actual art over slop to the point where Companies refuse to hire artists with AI like shart.

-Cursor , ChatGPT and Module are 300% more cancerous and are the reason why Video games are shit.

Turns out you can't beat the Nib, but you can beat the coder.

>>723654768
what people fail to realize is without the work the result will hold no value. it becomes something cheap and unfulfilling.

“I wish I could make exactly what I want with the push of a button” is a monkey paw

>>723654659 (OP)
>I have the resources to whip up some composition in the morning and have it recorded by a full orchestra by lunch and I would never use generative AI
yeah no shit

>>723665561
Joe Schmoe has had access to DAWs, synths and drum machines for like 40 years, anon.

>>723665185
modern pop music is so overproduced it might as well be ai generated. That's generally a reason why ai can do some things (hollywood slop style cgi, artstation style concept art, muzak, generic "epic" music) really well - because these things were already streamlined to the maximum point of generic.

>greatest composer of all time who universally used computers to create his work complains about newer tool others could use to create enjoyment
Artists are all self-serving narcissists. Removing them from positions of influence is the greatest thing to happen to mankind.

>>723665561
Midi
>dun have keyboard
Computer, frootyloops
>dun have computer
Grab a triangle
>dun have instruments
Grab a stick bitch and fuck yourself with it

AI = no buy
AI = Worthless and subhuman

>>723665561
You don't need a full orchestra though. That's the thing about all this AI shit, computers and synthesizers and shit already "democratized" art to the degree that anyone can make high quality work with commercially available or even free equipment and programs, many have.

>>723665726
Are you not posting on a board that is ostensibly about appreciating interactive art right now?

>>723654659 (OP)
>>723654768
based and true.
thankfully I got still my physical non-AI games while zoomer will have to suffer their soulless digital AI-slop.

>>723659484
most artists put out their best albums when they're up and coming or only recently found success. usually they go to shit once they stop going hungry.

>>723654768
completely correct
but artists simply can't ever accept that the people with money really don't care that much about the work and there's nothing you can do to make them care more about it

>>723665726
Yeah Art is the expression of the soul, a sharing of sentiment and it makes us Human.

your butthurt post for example is art to me, cause i can literally taste your tears all the way from across the net, from China to India i can TASTE the BUTTBLASTED inside of you.

STEM and Other sciences are exact, AI is going to actually murder those sectors and jobs, if AI is more precise than a coder or a meteorologist? then why the fuck do we need them in first place?
Funny how that works huh

Notice how /v/ only talks about AI in the creative entertainment genre. Theres AI being used to reply to this very thread and you're clapping to it

>>723654659 (OP)
>>723654768
He's right but studios are going to force it regardless in order to save money and there's nothing he can do to stop it

>>723665867
A lot of us can. Being an artist doesn’t mean you have to stick your head in the sand.

>>723665726
>>greatest composer of all time
But this isn't a Kenji Ito thread?

>>723654768
>fundamentally doesn't understand thing
>complains about it loudly
Yep it's an artist.

>>723665882
>>STEM and Other sciences are exact, AI is going to actually murder those sectors and jobs, if AI is more precise than a coder or a meteorologist? then why the fuck do we need them in first place?
>Funny how that works huh
this is normal for technology jumps... since the the first homo sapiens

>>723665963
Elaborate.

>>723665808
It looks more like zoomers are going to be the ones making the slop for gen alpha.

>>723665991
>this is normal for technology jumps... since the the first homo sapiens
So why are people obsessing so much with art? Art by it's mere definition is irreplaceable by a machine. Coders, Teachers, Researchers, Engineers, those guys and their sectors are about to get fucked 10x harder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPsOt6fLDFY

>>723656105
Perfect analogy. Bourgeoise complaining about the filthy masses being able to have something they do without their permission.

>>723664345
>That MGS2 Colonel speech where he mentions how things are endlessly preserved in all its triteness.
And that was back in early 2k, AI flooded the net with so much trash its insane.

>>723665991
how long until AI gets that accurate that you don't need the same humans checking it and helping it work. Right now I wouldn't trust AI to do literally any of these things as good as a human working without it.

>>723665882
>f AI is more precise than a coder or a meteorologist?
It's not.
Moreover, AI needs both to keep growing because it's incapable of actual thought and independent self improvement, it needs data created by humans to "learn" anything
>inb4 m..muh AGI will fix it in the next two weeks when we finally create it, trust the plan!
uh-hu, sure thing
>>723666214
>So why are people obsessing so much with art?
Because our society is in the hand of a caste called CEOs, and since CEOs are unironically the IRL equivalent of prompters who relegate everything to somebody else without actually putting in the work the first people that will suffer from the generative AI scam are...you guessed right, the creatives, which also includes coders, teachers, researchers etc., your mistake was thinking that creatives are just "artists" as in people who draw shit or make music.
EVERYONE that isn't strictly associated with some sort of physical labor or doesn't sit behind the CEO desk is getting fucked over in the near future, this is the issue, and the hardest part isn't even that, it will be trying to rebuild from the ashes when everything crashes down.

>>723665991
The difference is that I, as a consumer (I am artfully illiterate), will not be paying for AIslop ever.

>>723662839
all of the greatest games of all time were made by people working under harsh technical constraints. these people were pioneers who had unending passion to overcome whatever obstacles they had to to make their visions real

you think, even in a perfect world where AI does literally everything you want, you are going to just type in a prompt and “make” anything with any lasting impact that literally anyone, including yourself, actually gives a fuck about? that’s not happening

AI is integrated into so many things, its hard not to deal with it.
Its only going to get worse to, the AI bubble is enormous, larger than anything before it, if that shit pops the already shit economy will be even worse.

>>723666594
the large language model they use for this current AI doesn't seem like it's possible to reach AGI, I mean how would that work even, they seem to believe just pumping more power into it will get their eventually but how does that make sense

>>723665726
>Artists are all self-serving narcissists
i find this incredibly ironic as the AI fags here are desperately trying to pretend they are somehow better. You are just as smug.

>>723666761
>if
Ah, an optimist.

>>723666530
I'm a tax accountant and use AI heavily for reviewing and editing. The firm I work at started pushing AI use from the beginning of this year and I've seen some improvement in the output but it's still a long way from being usable to provide answers without needing input from somebody who knows what they're doing. It's always funny being sent work to review from a junior who clearly just asked Copilot for the answer since at a surface level the answer will sound reasonable but it doesn't hold up to any scrutiny at all. I have no doubt though that within a couple of years that AI will start replacing people within my field.

>>723666794
its a scam and they are just trying to pump up stock prices by scaring people

>>723660439
All human progress is derivative. That's why laws agains the right to copy are the most offensively destructive things ever created.

>>723654768
Yep.

Funniest part is I know a few big online artists personally, A LOT of them are using ai these days, they just keep up a public facade of shitting on ai, because that's what their audience wants to hear.

>>723666594
>EVERYONE that isn't strictly associated with some sort of physical labor or doesn't sit behind the CEO desk is getting fucked over in the near future, this is the issue, and the hardest part isn't even that, it will be trying to rebuild from the ashes when everything crashes down.

Good. Maybe the new generation will actually learn how to not be a little bitch unlike zoomtards who eat as much slop as possible. you gonna carry that stone like the greeks n shiet son

>>723667026
proof

>>723654659 (OP)
I will
And he can eat shit

>>723654768
Dumb nigger faggot
God he's so fucking dumb it's unreal

>>723667063
Nigga you ever seen a booru these days? It's full of models with anime faces

>>723660439
>>723663836
Kek, boomers are such gigantic hypocrites

>>723667154
You sound like a very smart and reasonable guy.

Took a minute to generate. If touched up properly none of you could tell this is ai and would probably defend whoever posted it as "no ai used" tooth and nail.
Truth is - ai is only going to become more advanced and corporations will absolutely use this, they would be stupid not to.
The work of the individual artist drawing kratos' wrinkly foreskin for sony is just busywork that ai can probably do faster and more efficient.

>>723667172
this is not proof, people have always drawn anime and shit, post real proof you buffoon

>>723666794
It's not possible, it's just marketing hype to make as many suckers fall into the pyramid scheme before the lights go out.
The worst part of it all is that even if it were physically possible it would be the single biggest cataclysm for economy as a whole because AGI, at least the idea of it that these frauds are selling, would put well over half of humanity out of work which means a complete collapse of our societal model at a global scale since these corporation sure as hell won't accept getting taxed to kingdom come in order to enable the inevitable necessity of shifting to UBI after spending trillions of money to just fire people and (allegedly) make more money by refusing to pay workers.
It's an enormous scam and even putting aside existential and philosophical considerations about art and the inherent value of work it's incredibly sad that so many people lack the foresight and basic intelligence to see it.

>>723662076
All AI art has self expression merely from having the output selected; ignoring all the actual work beyond 'pressing a button' as the retards pretend.
On the other side, people making art for profit are not expressing themselves at all. Their 'art' is garbage and increasingly exploited for offensive propaganda which is why then need to be gotten rid of.

>>723667281
>if this looked different you would think differently about it
Dude, no way.

>Post my art on booru (took 3 hours)
>+35
>post sloppa on sloppa booru (took 30 minutes)
>+110
I'm not going to reject AI, but I'm not going to fully move over to it either. I still want to make my own art for my game, even if only partially.
AI is better than me at a lot of things, so I lean heavily on it for AI assistance when I'm making art for my game, since it's a hell of a lot better at coloring/rendering and proportions than I am.
I think that's the sweet spot for it where you don't give up too much creative control but you increase the quality of your own work.
So you basically treat it like another artist that works alongside you, instead of having it do everything since that only results in sloppa.
>>723667026
Also this, I notice people using AI on their work all the time now. I think the top post on e621 today is literally AI art painted over jej. But it's kinda scummy to do so without a disclaimer.

>>723667474
Yes, Ai will never be used for propaganda

>>723662663
90% of /v/ is industry shills here to spam their garbage. They are the bottom of the barrel employees that will be the first replaced.

>>723667476
Talking in terms of 30 minutes of fixing it up in csp here. This would beat the several hours it would take to fully paint an image like this.
Corporations dont care about artistic integrity, if you can generate something and use it with minor corrections, it beats a artist fucking around for several hours or days on something.

>>723666530
It's gonna be real funny when the yuge corpos start using their current AI to train their new super AI and it comes out all fucked from errors in the prior AI that were completely ignored for the sake of trillions of dollars in market value.

>>723667329
It's like bloodborne you need to prompt a million AI porn pictures to gain SEN and then you'll be able to see how everything is either a AI trace or it was drawn using a 3D pig disgusting reference.
Booru is basically dead.

>>723654768
Been knowing, but based.

>>723665561
2025 A.D.
"I want to listen to music!"
"I know; I'll listen to music on YouTube, and it will be a musical track from 40 years ago!"

We used to pay for albums from musical artists, you know?
People
ARE NOT
buying
music
anymore
.

So many people praising AI as "just a tool" and "I could make a profit" are completely, totally naive.

>>723667594
>Also this, I notice people using AI on their work all the time now. I think the top post on e621 today is literally AI art painted over jej. But it's kinda scummy to do so without a disclaimer.
Most of the big artists are desperate latinx who are eager to stab each other in the back where possible. It's all desperation because having a semi popular patreon where you slightly overpaint ai slop beats working in the banana or cocaine factory all day.
The most legit artists are the ones doing it as a hobby/passion thing and dont do commissions or patreons. Every artist driven by financial reasons is already using ai because time is money.

>>723667594
Maybe you art is shit? Black Souls, Citadel, both games are shitty, jank, full of horrible toddler art but the soul is there, look , look at the fucking nigger cat, it's SOUL

>>723663002
Computers killed animation because children no longer train dexterity on their obtuse hieroglyph language. Early CG had massive drops in animation quality but things have since moved to improved drawing tablets to where the problem is mostly in lazy coloring/shading; which is exactly something AI would improve.

>>723667641
so you have no proof, just conspiracy

>>723667594
>Also this, I notice people using AI on their work all the time now. I think the top post on e621 today is literally AI art painted over jej. But it's kinda scummy to do so without a disclaimer.
They get away with it because people still think ai is 6 fingers and airbrushed over-rendered look and most people who publically post ai art as ai art are comically bad at prompting. ai slop overpainters will literally have an army of rabid underage third worlders defending their shit too. "Nooo its not ai assisted because he said soo".
There's a few "big guys" from latin america that literally dont even bother fixing the mistakes the slop ai made anymore. Lots of warped backgrounds these days.

>>723667870
not this guy, but I can literally tell what loras a lot of the trending artists use. If you know, you know.

>>723666214
>Art by it's mere definition is irreplaceable by a machine
Times are changing bro.

>>723664914
>AI art is like real art
This, so much this.

>>723668087
It's slop, who cares about fixing it, it's only worth it if you are a fucking fetishist fag that needs the cum to be specifically on the anime girl eye or something. Nobody cares about slop, not even the slop consumers.

its not even the hardship issue, generated art sucks ass, only small frontal lobe jeets and other thirdies would be impressed. algorythms should be used for computing solutions, not to create tons of dataspam no one truly cares for

>>723654768
He's right.

>>723667187
I didn't listen to most of this source material before playing FF specifically because I'm not a boomer. Being born in ignorance doesn't mean I consent to being stealthed on by AI.

>>723668451
So why the song and dance about how much they hate ai art, when theyre obviously overpainting ai art?
Clearly they care enough for plausible deniability.

>>723668664
99% of all good digital artists are drawing over AI images

>>723661845
youre just too stupid

>>723665882
AI is not exact, it's fucking madlibs randomizer. It's absolutely for art foremost and exact computation a distant dream. I don't know how stupid you have to be to equate 'a machine did it' to 'factually absolute' because you had a calculator once.

>>723654768
He's 100% correct, fucking based.

>>723668768
I wouldn't say 99% of them, but 99% of latin american and 80% of south east asian ones for sure. Basically everyone who got a patreon or does commissions.

>>723667281
you have no skill and time to fix everything wrong in there, nor the work ethics, just like my man uematsu said. coulda shoulda wooda. how about you do it?

>>723666017
Good prompts require a breadth of knowledge of artistic techniques, lighting, styles, fashion, composition, in multiple languages as the ai is trained on tags from multiple languages. For example many retards use 'bokeh' in their prompt because it is a photographic term, but bokeh means vacant stare so this will always ruin an image.
Then there is the technical component of even getting it to run.
And further artistic component to actually selecting from the output, adjusting and editing.
It's not 'give me a picture of a dog please, presses button'.

>>723665124
>People who use AI should be honest
There in lies the cyclical tragedy, people using AI do so because they can't be honest with the reason for their present lack of skill or perpetual lack of motivation and introspection. i.e. their personality.
The very crux of all they do or don't is tied to why they are how they are, things they've neglected, obsessed over, grown comfortable with or repulsed by, and trying to inspect or tinker with that is as psychologically painful to the ego as corrective surgery to the body.

It's like talking to a drug addict about how the drugs are a cope for personal issues they could resolve and have less financial and medical concerns from doing so, but they're using drugs precisely to ignore said things, so they're inherently not going to hear you out about either the drug problem or the personal problems or both.
In fact they're likely to file you as a personal problem and double down after that talk.

>>723669069
low IQ third worlder take, unable to think laterally.
The point is that corporations are absolutely gonna use generative ai and have artists fix whatever looks off, which will drastically cut down on time spent on asset generation. It's not even a question of if but only a question of when.
Also 90% of patreon grifters with half an ounce of artistic talent are already doing this. Because if you could draw it you might as well have it generated and just fix the most glaring mistakes.

>>723666530
Never

>>723669134
This breadth of knowledge you describe could be attained in a single afternoon.
I don’t doubt that he already knew these things before saying this, also. I certainly already knew this and agree with him.

>>723666969
Plausible deniability is not a valid legal defense.

>>723668801
>"Art is the expression of the soul" is a perspective that sees art as a deep and often spiritual communication of a person's inner self, emotions, and experiences. This idea suggests that artists use various mediums like painting, music, or writing to translate their subconscious, thoughts, and feelings into tangible forms, allowing for emotional healing, self-awareness, and a powerful connection with others. This perspective highlights art as a reflection of the human experience that transcends words.

>Research by institutions like Goldman Sachs and the World Economic Forum confirms that specific jobs with routine or predictable tasks are most vulnerable to automation
>Junior roles in areas like programming, law, and journalism are at high risk, as AI can automate initial research, drafting, and analysis.

Thanks AI you truly are my greatest ally. bye bye lawyers and programmers

>>723669339
>journalism are at high risk
this doesnt even make sense, real journalism requires someone going out into the field and collecting information, its not a desk jocky job.

>>723669330
it is if you're either rich, a woman or brown

>>723654768
ai jeets seething

>>723659201
Vaccines don’t cause autism

>>723666969
God I hope so. I've been doing my own taxes since 2007 when I was legally able to get a job at 16. Your job was obsolete and only for those lacking in intelligence. AI should be able to do it if a trained monkey can do it.

>>723669339
Using AI as your lawyer sounds hilariously retarded

>You see your honor. My client isn't X, he's Y.

>>723669260
so you dont have teh skill nor the time? yes or no?

>>723654768
notice how the ai fags here cant even refute this but instead just attack nobou. Ad hominem is all they have.

>>723669339
>just leave public informing and legal tasks to the AI bro
thanks WEF

>>723669565
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkmfZPt-gaw

>>723669448
i think it's talking about fake journalism like IGN and click bait articles , shit's already automatized we are simply getting rid of the soifag

>>723669260
Whole point is that AI allows getting rid of the corporation.

>>723669565
AI replacing judges and juries would go a long way to unfucking the bias of law.

>>723669738
It doesn't. Ai will get rid of 90% of professional artists. It will be like any industry that goes through a automation process. You will need a few highly trained analog artists to fix the output and look over the results, but most of the actual laborious texture drawing, etc will be done fully automated. Some will probably also resort to having their entire promo art pipeline largely automated too.

>>723669738
AI just gives them more power you retarded mongoloid

>>723669926
>crime cannot exist if there are no humans

>>723663876
Thats an interesting point, but I think Sakaguchi contributed more than enough in terms of writing and direction to make him more than just an idea guy. Especially by the time you get to final fantasy 6; that had so many really inspired scenes. It pushed the limits of what that genre could accomplish, narratively.

>>723669940
>Ai will get rid of 90% of professional artists
i.e. the corporation

>>723654768
His point is kinda retarded. He composed the music for final fantasy because sakaguchi told him to.
What is even his point? Sakaguchi should've composed the music himself? He can't he isnt a musician, so he hired Uematsu to compose the music.

>>723669738
It's the complete opposite but sure
>M...MY COMFY UI THO
OS generative AI is a joke that can't even do porn right and literally every single AI hosting site is already censored to shit with with purges getting worse every single day to the point even places like Civitaiarchives are getting hit with mass deletion.
AI exists purely to further corporations' control over every single facet of life even more, the simple fact that corporations are now allowed to infringe copyright and steal is a huge red flag to anyone with a brain, but you clearly aren't the case.

>>723669134
>prompting takes skill because i had to follow instructions on a github page and learn some keywords
is this nigger for real?

>>723670042
The corporation are the suits in the boardroom, not whatever artslave they have drawing wrinkles on some foreskin texture.
I always forget I'm probably arguing with underage third worlders here who've never seen an office from the inside or actual chatbots.

>>723670142
Unfortunately.

>>723669926
Given that it just makes shit up from time to time it absolutely wouldn't. You can already make chatgpt agree with crazy shit with clever wording.

>>723669940
>Ai will get rid of 90% of professional artists
CGI did that already. What's the last 2D animated film you've seen? The Disney move with the black princess? Most artists are freelancer hobbyists now. AI has increased the interest in art, art is 100% safe

>>723669134
>Good prompts require a breadth of knowledge of artistic techniques, lighting, styles, fashion, composition, in multiple languages as the ai is trained on tags from multiple languages

>>723669612
What's there to refute? The whole point of using a computer is you don't need to have the skill as long as you computer has it. I don't need to memorize all of world history, it's all on Wikipedia. I don't need to learn how to play Stairway to Heaven, I have the mp3

>>723669926
Yeah, let's just hope the AI doesn't have any bias. Or that the ones who control it do.

>>723669448
"AI - Discern the highest-profiting headlines created from yesterday, then create another headline using those words and publicize it now."
You've just created every journalist, today.
Sorry, every "HONEST" journalist.
Other journalists tend to simply lie to you.

>>723670204
>You can already make chatgpt agree with crazy shit with clever wording.
That also works with real judges.

https://www.vienna.at/acquittals-for-all-defendants-in-trial-over-sexual-offenses-against-twelve-year-old/9698768

>>723663836
You can say this and it does apply to every other great jap vidya composer. Koji Kondo lifted so much shit from old jazz records. I do think there is a skill required to take a song from an opera, or a rock album, or a jazz record and rearrange it in a way that makes it fitting for a game's scene, loop perfectly without becoming grating and not incur a serious copyright lawsuit. Sometimes I do think Arranger is a more apt term for these guys than composer

>>723670281
Hehe haha.

>>723670242
CGI movies are more expensive and labor intensive than 2D ones these days. That's why so much of CGI gets outsourced to india, because the amount of manpower needed is not affordable if you'd use first worlders only.

>>723670124
>can't even do porn right
Literally just jerked off to an AI Hijiri Rei set that I literally just generated in Comfy UI while watching Puniru wa Kawaii Slime. It's fun, get over it
t. nta

>>723670269
I like how your post is exactly what nobuo said. You just want to push a button. You don't understand why the work is important. Because that is where the creative process really comes from.

>>723654768
AI users are the same as vidya journalists

>>723670039
Sakaguchi was literally the idea guy on FF6, he just nudged all the writers in the right directions, but he didnt actually do any of the heavy writing himself.

>>723661987
nta, but what if I already know how to do the shapes? What then

>>723670110
Uematsu was paid for his work. People recognized Uematsu's work as valuable.

Do you pay for AI?

>>723670457
>You just want to push a button
Did you send this message via pigeon or did you just click the button to send it? I don't NEED the skill if my computer has it. Just like you don't need any way to contact me without a computer. I don't see you asking for my address just in case you need to send physical mail, you don't NEED to, we have this computer between us and it does the work for us

>>723670269
and this is why AI is actually shit; it can't help you, you're too fucking stupid, even with the best models and all the tutorials in the world you'd still make repulsive garbage

>>723670457
>You don't understand why the work is important.
The work is important because you get a feel for whatever subject matter you're dealing with. That's also why you get tons of failed artists who fell for the "grindset" meme, because they mistakingly believed suffering is all that it takes to make art. You need to understand what you're doing, just suffering without intellectualizing the process will also only lead to dogshit. Just look at /ic/, these guys still suck at art and "grind" at it for 20 years now, because they think suffering is a shortcut to actually understanding what you're doing.
Suffering and hard work dont automatically make for good art. It's suffering that is well targeted and cleverly done that makes good art.

>>723654768
The absolute greatest goat of all time, one day he too will return to the planet. BUT UNTIL THEN
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bWA635zt9nM&list=RDbWA635zt9nM&start_radio=1&pp=ygUQZmY4IG92ZXJ0dXJlIG9zdKAHAQ%3D%3D

>>723670643
Ai isnt free either. It consumes electricity. It's just cheaper than a real artist.

>>723670643
notice how money is the only thing these people care about
these are the same people who would pay 20 million dollars for a fart on a canvas
they don't give a shit about the quality of the art itself

>>723670653
>you're wrong because... you're stupid!!
AI would have a better argument than this

>>723670647
You seem to be struggling to understand what is being said here. Its not about you needing the skill, its about why the skill is important and what it does. The knowledge you possess helps your craft.

>>723670567
Practice bitch

>>723670668
Honestly you said it way better then i
>>723670647
read >>723670668 way better then what i wrote >>723670806

>>723670678
I was listening to ff8 soundtrack recently and never played the game unfortunately. Surprised by how unbelievably good the soundtrack really is. Movin, that battle theme, compression of time, man with the machine gun, balamb fish, that succession of witches one
Truly astonishing. 7 and 8 are truly masterpiece osts.

>>723670806
>its about why the skill is important and what it does
Sure it's important. That's why it's nice that computers have that skill now. Training pigeons was also important at some point but now computers send our mail

>error debugging with emojis in it
>code push with the prompt still in it
>issue reports of things caused by functions that don't even exist in the codebase
>HR sends me an email to remind me that they've purchased a claude team plan for the entire company
lads i'm gonna quit my job without a two weeks notice

>>723670947
>That's why it's nice that computers have that skill now
Ai does not explain its thought process.... Again you do not even know what we are talking about.

>>723670269
And when you're denied your button press?
We call that "crying" and you are a "child."

Do you think humanity would improve if you gave everyone 3 wishes? They could wish, three times, for ANYTHING.
Do you think that's good?
What if every person had to EARN those wishes? Is that better?

Do you have ANY idea what "value" is?

>>723670880
That's not relevant to this conversation. Computers don't calculate or memorize the way we do and they don't do art the way we do. They don't need to, they're computers

>>723670908
My nigga
You should play it too
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SaceNUyChKg&list=RDSaceNUyChKg&start_radio=1&pp=ygUOZmY4IGJyZWV6eSBvc3SgBwE%3D

>>723670189
If they actually unleashed a completely unbiased AI on a huge company and told it to maximize profits, I'm pretty sure one of the first things it would do is cut the C-suite's exorbiant payouts.

>>723671127
It is you dumbass, because we are talking about creativity. If i ask an AI to make a story about say the battle of the bulge with zero knowledge myself, i am not going to know if its even remotely accurate. Thats the problem here, you mindlessly creating witihout an actual understanding. Its no different then a monkey typing.

>>723669134
>Good prompts require a breadth of knowledge of artistic techniques,

>>723671052
I understand perfectly well. You're talking about the process because you believe that the process MUST be important to the result. You're repeating to me over and over again that computers can't train pigeons. What I'm telling you is they don't need to, they can get better results their way. You're not listening

>>723669134
I can't fucking breath this is the greatest most retarded shit I've read in a month. Do faggot on here really believe this shit?

>>723671127
if you're using something like illustrious it works pretty much exactly like human artists do.
All of art is just pattern recognition, style loras are just like someone who studied the style of some artist intensely, etc.
The question is just do you want automated artslop or do you want handcrafted.
Most western artists on twitter got a shit work ethic and shit aesthetics, so ai art beats them.
Different story with asian artists.
If you look at artists doing commissions on twitter most of them are brazillian teenagers who take 200 commissions and then fake a mental illness and run with the money.

>>723671057
>And when you're denied your button press?
Yeah bro if electricity goes down you can't use a computer so let's never ever use a computer just in case. Makes sense
>EARN
What did you do to earn the ability to send me this message? Do you think it's good that you're just allowed to send messages like this without training pigeons manually

>>723660889
>maybe I want AI to write a bassline for the melody I composed
Is this actually a thing? Last time I messed with stuff like Suno you didn't have any control on the output besides typing in a prompt, which is my biggest issue with AI music since it gives you a full song. At least with images you can do a lot with touchups, kitbashing, img2img, manual drawing, etc. for the generation. With music I didn't see any level of control like getting stems, fine-tuning the mix, adjusting the key, etc.

>>723671245
>You're talking about the process because you believe that the process
Because it is... Have you seen prompters and the stupid shit they include that actively hurts their work?

>>723671209
>If they actually unleashed a completely unbiased AI on a huge company and told it to maximize profits, I'm pretty sure one of the first things it would do is cut the C-suite's exorbiant payouts.
They won't, because the c-suite are calling the shots about who gets axed.

>>723671245
holy shit dude you are retarded. If they get better results where is all the AI made games and shit?

>>723671212
So your argument is that AI can't learn things? It can learn things in fact. Be more specific, what knowledge is it impossible for AI to obtain

>>723659554
>zoomer can't understand the concept of gaining experience

>>723671326
Yes lol

>>723667817
There's a pretty thin line between soul and shitty art that makes you pass over a game from just how it looks.
People finding my art SOUL certainly sounds nice, but I also don't want to gamble years of effort on a game project if I think I can make something better if I compromise.
It's still a gamble of course, but I think I have better odds doing it this way, and development being faster doesn't hurt either.
But I think it also depends on your genre/setting/style, like you say Black Souls would definitely lose something important if the dev used AI assisted art on it.
Also I just really, really don't want to have one of those games that gets stuck with 0 reviews because it has bad art. You'd be surprised how many there are if you look at new releases on steam.

>>723671245
>What I'm telling you is they don't need to, they can get better results their way.
There is a reason why schools always have you explain your work. This is just wrong....

>>723671410
No it's not. Whether I use pigeons or 4chan, I deliver my message to you. How I did it is not important, what's important is you got to read it.
>but art is... le magic
No it's not, you're just clueless. Same result can be reached in many ways.

>>723671410
>Because it is... Have you seen prompters and the stupid shit they include that actively hurts their work?
Funniest part is how most prompting guides are also active sabotage.
I just generate ai art for my own enjoyment (because Im not gonna find a artist who is going to draw a femboy link in a miniskirt getting assfucked by ganon in the gba lttp booklet artstyle) but I kinda had to lean by trial and error what works and what doesn't and that most prompting guides are full of shit.

>>723671350
>All of art is just pattern recognition
It literally isn't, but I don't expect the umpteenth case of a brokeass coomer who want to stick it to patreon porn artists to know anything about art

>>723671478
>AI isn't perfect yet so... it can't ever be good!!
That argument huh. Not even worth engaging with

>>723671583
You retard, If i make a shitty prompt the AI is going to make a shitty product. How the fuck are you in a thread arguing about AI without knowing how it works?

>>723671542
I'd say "just hire a real artist" but chances are you'd just hire someone overpainting ai art if you're going for some random english speaking artist on twitter, so whatever. lol

>>723671559
Because schools job is to TEACH you, dumbass. Their job isn't to get results. If all schools wanted was results they wouldn't give a shit what you did to get them.

>>723671656
Lol holy fuck you absolute stupid faggot. That is not even remotely implied. Jeet defense force really coming out now huh?

>>723671479
AI can’t make anything new. It’s just a prediction model trying to guess the output you want based on some dataset. That’s part of the reason why everything it produces is so disposable.

>>723671350
>The question is just do you want automated artslop or do you want handcrafted.
Why is that an either or? If I want to draw I draw, if I want to prompt I prompt. Just like I can buy cookies or make them myself. I see no reason to seethe at pre-made cookies, they're nice when you're lazy

>>723671717
If all anon is looking for is to jerk off, AI is more than adequate.

heated discussion

>>723654659 (OP)
>>723654768
Idea guys...
How do we prove him wrong?

>>723671726
And why is the knowledge they are trying to teach you. Lets have you debunk your own argument. Because thats what the answer you will give me will do.

>>723671643
>It literally isn't
It literally is you retarded turd worlder. That's why you even know how many fingers a hand has, pattern recognition. Pattern recognition is why you know how things look like, pattern recognition is why you can tell disney from anime from the simpsons.
Pattern recognition is the main factor in what makes art work.
If you are ignorant to this basic fact of perception it doesnt matter if you're some aislop prompter, digital or analog artist - your art is probably dogshit.

the people who hate AI are the same ones who think communism can work in reality and niggers, jeets and other shitskins are compatible with civilized society
they are completely disconnected with the real world

>>723671041
where do you work and what is this?

>>723654659 (OP)
Soken is better.

>>723671858
You genuinely don’t know the meaning of the English word “art” if you think it can just be boiled down to pattern recognition.

>>723671365
It's amazing you're noting that artists, music, corporations, tax accountants, pigeon-mail, rocketship mechanical engineering, nuclear physics, chopping sugar cane, and posting on 4chan on Sunday is all
just-the-same-as
open source "AI."

As if the very idea you CAN use an "AI" program INHERENTLY PROVES you've earned it.
As if the very idea you CAN vote in a political election INHERENTLY PROVES you've earned it.

More than that; NO ONE ELSE is more valuable than you. You can task an AI program to draw a square, therefore you've earned $5 million. Why hasn't your bank account been granted $5 million, yet? This poor timing has earned you the ability to task Poliz A.I. to forcibly take that money, now. You've earned it because they didn't give it. Proof you've earned it; it's their fault.
You continue to prove that quote true, over and over again; you haven't earned anything. You don't want to DO anything. And you feel justified.

>>723671829
Ask chat gpt

>>723671479
At no point is anything i am talking about what the AI can learn. Stay on topic and try not moving the goalpost. The argument is why the creative process is important and what it teaches you.

>>723654659 (OP)
Music generative AI unironically sounds better than the music currently made by zoomers.
So no loss to me.
AI is making my life better.
Everyone's complains are so mundane they aren't worth thinking about.

>>723654659 (OP)
I feel ashamed... I am sorry, Uematsu-sama.

>>723654768
Uematsu-sama, I kneel

>>723670189
>>723671209
>>723671415
It's almost like there's bias.
We aren't in "post-scarcity."
AI is controlled. It's controlled with bias.

>>723671956
The english word "art" comes from latin ars for skill and craft. It's about practicality. We're not talking your vague brown people definition of the term here.
Pattern recognition is the source of all arts and crafts, that's why cultures with superior pattern recognition skills excell at engineering as well as art.
Again I am reminded I'm on here talking to sub 80 IQ latinx and chatbots.

>>723671726
The 6 purposes of schooling as per its original advocate:
1 - teach unquestioning compliance by forcing children to agree with things which are visibly false
2 - conform all children, smart with the stupid
3 - prohibit learning more than required
4 - ridicule and ostracize undesirables so their peers see them this way to keep them from breeding
5 - categorize everyone
6 - select custodians to take over this

Teaching is more of a side effect smoke screen than anything schooling is about.

>>723671858
>Retard who never took a pencil in hand and sat on his ass thinks artists memorize patterns rather than learning functions
>Retard thinks artists autistically memorize hundreds of thousands of premade poses rather than knowing how the human body works
The funniest fucking thing is that your logic means artists literally cannot come up with anything new or original because supposedly they just learn patterns that magically sprouted on their own from *somewhere*, you're such a fucking clown anon

>>723672145
I’m an Anglo-Saxon. Truly smart people generally don’t feel the need to bring up IQ this often, I’ve noticed.
Your grasp of semantics is seriously so poor that I’m not entirely convinced you’re a real person.

>>723671876
>the people who hate AI
>think jeets are compatible with civilized society

>>723671920
>where do you work
nowhere now LMAO

>>723671661
"Ramifications" don't exist in your human world.
Everything is perfect. There are no downsides. Your want for something is, apparently, completely justified. Everyone's wants are completely justified. Nothing can go wrong. There are infinite resources. Humans.

>>723672261
How would you ever learn how the human body moves if you cannot percieve it?
You cannot "learn" art by reading a book, you need to look at the real thing or else your art will be uncanny.
The most important underlying factor of art is pattern recognition. Anyone ignorant of that fact is probably a really bad artist doing merc_wip crab bucket shit over at /ic/.

>>723670269
False analogy. Looking up facts on Wikipedia is a tool for accessing information, not for replacing understanding meaning Accessing or consuming something is not the same as performing or creating it. Using a computer is not a substitute for real human skill

>>723672145
Cambridge sez:
>the making of objects, images, music, etc. that are beautiful or that express feelings
and
>an activity through which people express particular ideas
I’m well aware that art comes from the Latin “ars” because I, too, completed the fourth grade. No definition of art has anything to do with it being merely the application of pattern recognition, and Prince Adam over here >>723672261 is on the money.
You are much dumber than you think you are.

>>723671717
Definitely considered it, and it's what the best choice is if you can do it. But artists are pretty damn expensive if you want a lot of decent art, I'm not sure I would make back what I would spend on art, it's pretty risky.
Ideally you'd have someone willing to revshare with you, but I'm not that lucky.
And even then you end up compromising the vision of your game to fit your artist friend's vision too, so it's a different trade-off.

>>723654659 (OP)
Man who doesn't need AI says he will not use AI.
Woaw!

>>723672335
Hahaha holy shit you madlad
Godspeed on the job hunt.

AI won

>>723672538
By all means, please never ever apply pattern recognition, never use reference. You should basically create things that are entirely autistic and not based on anything in particular.
Any time you do studies or use reference, please remember this gay little internet fight and do NOT apply pattern recognition, you shouldnt memorize anything ever, it wouldnt be artistic, now would it?

>>723672472
At this point I'm absolutely certain you don't know what patterns actually are.
You're given anatomy classes in art school precisely because you can't possibly work through patterns when it comes to things like the human body, nevermind the creation of actual patterns themselves which again, by your logic would be impossible because if art is supposedly 100% patterns or even just 80% the number of possible patterns must be finite (and rather small) for an artist to even exist and learn them.

>>723672106
Starting to think that the AI bubble bursting in a big way is the best outcome for mankind.

Ai is asbestos of the soul and pushed by aphantasic techbros upset they were born to late to own slaves who do all the work for them with no pay and are trying the next best option. If you use AI in any capacity you are not a man you are lesser, you are a beast of the field and failed your forefathers.

>>723672792
holy shit you are retarded

>>723672689
I think the autism might be coming from inside the house, anon. Your poor command of the English language and even poorer grasp of basic logic is something to behold.

>>723672261
Pattern recognition in artists is what we call "talent". It's someone who effortlessly can paint water ripples on a pond after having seen a few ponds.
The less gifted ones will have to grind it out. But superior pattern recognition is the source of all gifted artists.
Also your argument is a really stupid fallacy because you act like pattern recognition skills and transferable skills are mutually exclusive.

>>723672792
You do not know what pattern recognition is you bozo. lmao

>>723672964
>Pattern recognition in artists is what we call "talent".
There is alot of motor skills involved with drawing, so this is just wrong

>>723673056
Refer to this part you illiterate imbecile.
>>723672964
> Also your argument is a really stupid fallacy because you act like pattern recognition skills and transferable skills are mutually exclusive.

Generative AI simply isn't profitable. The bubble will burst and it simply won't be affordable anymore.

>>723673270
two more weeks until the bubble bursts, lads.

Reminder you are arguing with phone posters. They don't even have a computer so of course they aren't creating anything with AI. May as well argue with the homeless about whether burgers are sandwiches.

>>723672689
>You should basically create things that are entirely autistic and not based on anything in particular.
Putting your buzzwords aside, you CAN create things that are not based on anything in particular, that's creativity, the ability to come up with new and original things, using something as a reference is not necessarily working on a pattern either, the major reason why generative AI struggles so much with certain specific things like complex joints is precisely because it can only repeat patterns and has no actual understanding of things like range of motions, which cannot be boiled down to patterns.
>>723672964
Talent is literally just grinding.
>you act like pattern recognition skills and transferable skills are mutually exclusive.
No, that's something you took out of your ass.

>>723672261
Show me a piece of art that isn't just a remix of different previously existing ideas, motifs and themes. You'd be hard pressed to find that even when it comes to abstract art.

Does using the matter replicator on the Enterprise make you a chef?

>>723673270
Art is not about profit kike.

>>723673379
>Talent is literally just grinding
No, that would be skill.

Isn't there a way you can put data into an image that fucks with AI?

>>723673410
Erm, it actually takes backbreaking effort to read menus. You don’t even use replicators, so you wouldn’t know. And you’re a 65IQ swarthoid. I’m smart.

>>723654659 (OP)
>"and never will"
Because he's not getting work anymore.
Masashi Hamauzu has been Squares lead composer for decades.

>>723673379
>you CAN create things that are not based on anything in particular, that's creativity,
Can you let the class see an example?

>>723673410
If you specifically tell it what to create, sample the output and adjust it to taste repeatedly; yes, that's exactly what it makes you. No 'creating the universe first'.

>>723673468
And when you're skilled enough people think you're talented, who gives a shit if you weren't some 3-year old virtuoso.

>>723673410
You've earned that.

>>723673405
What retarded fucking argument is this?
Do you think something like Michelangelo's Pietà is just a repetition of a preternatural pattern (which one) that exists in the hyperuranium outside of time and space or something?
>>723673487
Data poisoning is a thing, yes.

>>723673565
Do you not know that Uematsu went freelance in 2004? He's still doing work, just not as much.

>>723673620
You're moving goal posts. Most people also can't tell ai art from real art. This isnt an argument.
Skill comes from honing a craft, talent is your base level of proficiency in any given subject.

>>723654659 (OP)
Nobuo Uematsu is now India's most hated composer

>>723673721
>Michelangelo's Pietà
Do you think Michelangelo materialized the pieta from nothing? He had people sit model for his artwork and scultpures and did countless studies.
This is the opposite of the argument you think you're making. It's two humanoid figures chiseled from marble in a realistic style.

>>723673596
What was this based on, anon?
Pray tell which animal, plant, mineral or whatever they copied to create this.

>>723673928
>He had people sit model for his artwork and scultpures and did countless studies.
So you really do not know what patterns are.

>>723654659 (OP)
>>723654768
Unfathomably based Uematsu has the AI pajeets in a shit flinging tizzy with this TRVKE.

>>723673721
> Michelangelo was the first person to ever created a sculpture of Mary and Jesus
Wat

>>723659554
>putting effort to learning a skill is suffering
Zoomer 101

>>723673724
didnt he make some tracks on the ff7 remake as well

>>723674232
Bleak, isn’t it

>>723654768
Unequivocally giga based.

The new onions generation just wants to be spoonfed. Lurk more. Do the work.

you can smell the pajeet rage in this thread from the catalog

>>723674307
Dude lurking is hecking ableist
Where’s the wiki?? That I’ve never contributed to and never will

>>723662839
Spoken like a true non-artist. The best work was work that was iterated and redrafted allowing it to be thought through. Back to the future went through 44 redrafts, star wars went for 5, lotr movies were being redrafted during the middle of filming to get closer to tolkiens stories. Valve iterated on Team fortress 2 for nine whole fuckings years iterating and experimenting with the mercs and the fps genre.
Drawing is the active of redoing and doing something to get to a goal that will most likely be different towards the end but still have the idea from your head and having something immediately execute it is not being rational whatsoever but rather being a lazy shit.
First draft is how we got the retarded new star wars movies, lazy fucking shit slop like concord, and oh wait, AI garbage everywhere as its built on first drafts and iterations.
It's only rational to retards who never gave a fuck about making something remotely good in the first place.

This whole argument on AI art just stems from misplaced value and that thinking that "art = good" and therefore that the title of artist is something with merit that needs to be earned or gatekept. Art has no value, all it requires is intention. A toddler drawing with crayons on the wall is an artist making art, so who gives a shit if some AI slopper calls himself an artist? All that matters is the end result's quality. The issue is more about the flood of subpar results, which I suppose means that quality isn't the only factor but also originality/novelty, all of which are subjective but clearly there's a divide on what's "good" or even "good enough." These moral and philosophical debates of it are a waste of time and clearly get nowhere for convincing either side.

>>723673410
I make my own pizza.
I am not enfuriated by pizzerias or frozen pizza existing. If either of those were cheaper options I would happily use them.

>>723674464
the problem isnt that ai slopper is calling himself an artist, its just that they completely dishonest about what they are doing, if an ai slopper just admit its slop i wouldnt care but no, they act with the same better than thou attitude you get from a regular artist. And then they go out of their way to insult people for putting in time and effort at a skill.

>>723674464
You really couldn’t be more off base. This is simply a case of English words having specific meanings. Prompting isn’t artistry, and AI-generated outputs aren’t works of art.
It would be much more accurate to call these outputs products.
This doesn’t come from a desire to portray art as exclusively highbrow and decry prompting as exclusively lowbrow. They are just completely different things.

There are two sides. People who want to create art and people who want to be paid for art. One of these is a moral position and one is not.

>>723674680
Is someone who cooks a frozen pizza a chef? Is the pizzeria customer?

>>723674827
There is nothing immoral about being paid for your labor. Are you a nigger?

>>723674846
This is nonsensical semantics. You are implying that the art doesn't matter, it's the personal esteem of claiming to be the creator that is paramount. To you the result and benefit of it to others is meaningless compared to your self interest.

>>723674956
It’s really not. Those are simple questions that you seem very reluctant to answer.

>>723674893
It's wanting to be paid for labor you are actively preventing people from doing for themselves.

>almost 500 replies
How is this so controversial? It's such an obvious statement it doesn't need discussing.

>>723674956
I'd argue that the performance and labor involved does have some impact on how artistic something is, otherwise concerts would have no meaning when you can listen to the album at home.

>>723674846
we should get rid of frozen pizzas
support real pizza artists :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

>>723654768
>>723654659 (OP)

He is absolutely right. Art is cultural expression and communication through skill. Making art is hard work; There is always more to learn, more to improve and it´s a constant struggle against failure and frustration even for the most talented artists. It´s a process by which they give shape to something that existed only on their minds. So, understandably, any artist worth it´s salt would want the result to be as close to their vision as they could possibly make it.

From an artist point of view there is no reason to use AI, generative AI is a tool for the lazy and the unskilled... for suits and other people that only care about the business aspects of cultural industries and can only think in therms of costs and productivity. No doubt the industry will push for such tools, it is inevitable, but i believe it is also inevitable that artists would resist their use, band together and keep making their own stuff. Yes, they´ll probably make one game for every 10 games made with generative AI but that one game is going to have far more soul in it.

Way i see it, when it comes to art individuality is irreplaceable. A specific artist or team will achieve singular results. That´s how it´s always been and Nobu here is proof of that. You can almost always recognize his signature work and 25 years later SE hasn´t been able to replace him.

>>723654768
Why do the Japanese have such a way with words?

AI pajeets keep taking massive Ls, I'm surprised they haven't mass roped yet with how they behave like trannies.

>>723674997
Who's preventing people from doing AI art? People bitching on twitter doesn't stop me from generating stuff.

>>723674253
Sure, freelance doesn't mean you can't work for your old employer, just that you aren't in-house.

>>723675108
That’s not a position I hold about AI-generated art myself. I really couldn’t care less what kinds of media people consume or appreciate. I just don’t consider promptbros artists because I understand what words mean.
You seem somewhat mad.

>>723674464
>subpar results
Who sets par? You?

>>723675241
>because I understand what words mean.
do you?
in the past artists were considered basic workers, the same as the people building roads and digging ditches

>>723675013
There are some profoundly lazy, retarded and self-aggrandizing posters on /v/.

>>723654659 (OP)
He seems to be talking from a personal perspective as a creator, not in the context of what actually works on a free market with superhuman AI tools. Your personal story of hardship is secondary to the consumer's and publisher's desire for quick and good enough. Many old composers would have spat at Uematsu's feet for being a modern electric fraud. And so it goes

>>723675013
Self-awareness is at an all time low, and insecurity an all time high.
Imagine around a billion dominoes lined up, it takes the slightest tremor to set off the build up.

Real women do their laundry by hand at the river. Back in my time we got arthritis from all that scrubbing and we liked it plus we made friends at the laundry trip not like today when we can't make friends in any way.

>>723675013
There are people who genuinely believe that amateurs using AI to generate images, film and music
does not reduce want
from professionals.

In fact, those same people would even argue their productions are equally earned, equally (and generally MORE) valuable, and that using AI will not alter market-pricing or critical standards for daily consumption of art.

>>723675330
It's in the eye of the beholder, but there's enough people who feel the same that boorus implement an AI toggle now. Though personally it's not so much the quality than the volume, I can only skim over so much shitty and lazy porn.

>>723675454
>Your personal story of hardship is secondary to the consumer's
Speak for yourself, if AI is involved in the creation of a product I'm not buying.

>>723675373
Yes. It’s my native language, and I’m an English teacher.
I’m not sure how the social status of artists has anything to do with anything I’ve said in this reply chain.

>>723675013
AIpajeets are like trannies, it's not enough for them to be delusional, they need EVERYBODY ELSE to buy into their delusions, or they feel suicidal.

>>723654659 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K1QF9NAwx4

Jackie Gleason had a melody in his head and hummed it to the orchestra because he didn't know how to write music, but some fucking slant eye says that's not allowed. He can go fuck his pan-faced mother.

>>723675454
>good enough
Fuck that mentality, look at the state of media the past decade+ that's been "good enough" to release. Then year after year the bar for "good enough" just keeps getting lowered, companies need to be pushing for the best possible product. If all AI's gonna do is continue that trend quality's just gonna keep spiraling down faster.

I await your replies written by hand in my mailbox, don't you dare think merely pushing buttons can transmit the creativity of your thoughts.

AIbros are going to kill the internet lol
>good!
Yeah yeah what the fuck ever

>>723667172
That's not proof faggot

>>723675756
pigeon or bust

>>723675464
this post made me seethe just because I knew people in real life who genuinely spouted shit like this

>>723675756
>>723675464
someone's having a melty

>>723675458
Ain’t that the truth.

>>723654768
Based uematsu

>>723675992
i don't think 2 posts are enough to constitute a meltie.

>>723668451
>fucking fetishist fag that needs the cum to be specifically on the anime girl eye or something
Correct, this very important but a fag like you probably wouldn't understand

Honest question, do commissioners consider the art they pay for their own art? Like do they go "hey check out this pic I made of my OC?"

i just like drawing, it's fun

>>723676539
post proof that you're having fun
you have 5 seconds

>>723676753
i had fun making that

>>723676539
NOOOO STOP THIS IS LITERALLY RAPE

>>723675571
You will buy the sloppa sooner or later and you will be happy. I'm not saying human made stuff will go away entirely but it's going to be a bit like buying a $100 chair from Ikea vs spending $1,000 on a seat by a ~human artisan~, only this time it's way harder to know if there's AI involvement behind the scenes because the threshold to using this tech is way lower and the threshold for fraud detection is way higher when everything is in bits instead of atoms. Love it or hate it.

>>723675738
"Good enough" has been the ruling mentality in all industry since the dawn of civilization. Today is the worst AI will ever be. 2 years ago we had DALLE shit and retarded looking Will Smith eating spaghetti. Look at the latest LLM or Sora or Veo. Where will we be 5 years from now? God knows

>>723676458
No, we don’t. That would be insane.

>>723676848
>You will buy the sloppa sooner or later and you will be happy.
Speak for yourself.

>>723654768
One day AI will make stuff so good nobody will be able to tell. You tards will seethe eternally. Its inevitable.

>>723654768
pretty sure this is banned by the Geneva convention

>>723675187
>main argument is how they'll keep getting more convincing and you won't be able to tell it's not the real thing (everyone can anyway)
>try to spread their mental illness everywhere and force themselves into spaces they're not welcome
>screech and piss themselves if ever forced to disclose they use AI like with steam's policy
They really are nu-trannies.

>>723677123
What’s your favorite video game?

>>723676848
Improving quality of models means jack shit when the person choosing the output is the guy who okayed the new Saints Row

>>723655434
Yes, I deal with this at work in tech.
It's taken 2 years of chatgpt for everyone to casually have slipped into absolute dependence.

It started out just using it to keep them right, now they rely on it to string a sentence together. They can't express themselves in their own words anymore.

And nobody sees the problem at all, they defend its use as essential, for those who have trouble writing, the idea that I would caution against its constant use is insane to the other bosses, who also all rely on it.

Solar flare can't come soon enough, I'm tired of this gay industry.

>>723675108
Cool non-sequitur. Reminds me every time that jeets are illogical seethers

>>723677564
The conclusion I've come to is that I need to stop being mad about it and start finding it funny instead.
Others are tricking themselves into reliance on a gay tool that one day could disappear.

Instead of being butthurt, watching them sleepwalk into a situation, I should instead be laughing and finding a way to turn this knowledge to my advantage.

>>723677698
That’s the spirit!