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Anonymous No.723663059 [Report] >>723663183 >>723663521 >>723663602 >>723663796 >>723664652 >>723665446 >>723665502 >>723666036 >>723666468 >>723667023 >>723668754 >>723668764 >>723669524 >>723669860 >>723671347 >>723671696 >>723674109 >>723675467 >>723676139 >>723679654 >>723689649 >>723692826 >>723694650 >>723696592 >>723696876
How did you feel about the drastic shift in style from Jak I to II?
Anonymous No.723663183 [Report]
>>723663059 (OP)
Jak 2 did it really well.
Moose !!Tm8/4MnbTW4 No.723663225 [Report] >>723663306 >>723697371
Ruined the series. TPL was the best game in the series followed by 3 and Daxter. II is on par with TLF.
Anonymous No.723663306 [Report] >>723663520 >>723668184 >>723673193 >>723697190 >>723699194
>>723663225
>i hate when sequels do things different waaaaaaaa I want the same slop
Moose !!Tm8/4MnbTW4 No.723663520 [Report] >>723663758 >>723670225 >>723693897
>>723663306
I hate when sequels do different things worse than their predecessors, yes. The only thing Jak II did well was the guns.
Anonymous No.723663521 [Report]
>>723663059 (OP)
I never played Jak 1 so Jak 2 felt normal
Anonymous No.723663602 [Report]
>>723663059 (OP)
I really liked how the new environments looked.
Only played the PS3 remaster of Precursor Legacy, so maybe it had a bunch of new textures, but I thought it mostly looked like ass once you're past the first 2 levels.

Games not fun though, I'm afraid.
Anonymous No.723663758 [Report] >>723664034
>>723663520
The platforming, movement and mission design was also far better. Thank goodness for Jak 2.
Anonymous No.723663796 [Report] >>723663923
>>723663059 (OP)
I didn't play it exactly because J&D went from Crash spiritual successor to GTA clone (and it was an intentional change by ND)
Anonymous No.723663923 [Report] >>723663972
>>723663796
>I didn't play it
Then why post about it?
Anonymous No.723663972 [Report]
>>723663923
Because OP asked
Moose !!Tm8/4MnbTW4 No.723664034 [Report] >>723664704 >>723672703
>>723663758
>The platforming, movement and mission design was also far better.
Why are you lying? The platforming challenges were just fighting against either the camera in the case of the sewer chase or fairly linear paths with nothing interesting going on. Map design was significantly worse as a whole and had far less visual variety since it was all drab grey garbage that was occasionally filled with Dark Eco. Every single bike and car moved like it was on ice yet they loved making you do challenges where you have to be precise with it. Guards were psychic and unless you zoned out they tended to chase you forever.

It was everything wrong with a game at every moment when TPL showed they had a great game and system in place only to throw it all away for this boring, drab, depressing world with the fun sucked out of it.
Anonymous No.723664113 [Report]
The shift in tone was whatever, but the gameplay went to shit.
Anonymous No.723664374 [Report] >>723664469 >>723664619 >>723664817 >>723678451 >>723694368
>main selling point is jak has guns now
>by the way, the gunplay is worse than the rival platformer which came out last year
>and straight up awful compared to its sequel which comes out a few weeks later
What were they thinking?
Anonymous No.723664459 [Report] >>723665720
Novacanoo basically demolished these games in analysis
Anonymous No.723664469 [Report] >>723664673
>>723664374
Naughty Dog were always trendchasers, never trendsetters. It just so happens that gaming trends in 2001 were when gaming started to go mainstream and shitty.
Anonymous No.723664497 [Report] >>723664784
It was an improvement, Jak 1 was fun but it had no fucking clue what kind of tone it wanted to go for.
Anonymous No.723664619 [Report] >>723664686 >>723673550
>>723664374
>>by the way, the gunplay is worse than the rival platformer which came out last year
What kind of retard unironically thinks Ratchet and Clank gunplay is good let alone the first game? Is it just the quirky guns that doesnt actually do anything better than the gun youll be using most of the time but its just quirky FEELING enough that the retarfed 6 year old jumos in glee everytime its shot, and rhat same 6 year old grew up to be a retard who never ages because the internet pertually echoed ans fueled their nostalgic obsession with the pass, having no real self awareness of reflection because that requires presentness?
Anonymous No.723664652 [Report]
>>723663059 (OP)
I liked it but II is the reason the franchise got mogged by Sly and R&C
Anonymous No.723664673 [Report]
>>723664469
This is true, but they used to be excellent at chasing trends. CTR and J&D were better than the games they were imitating.
Anonymous No.723664686 [Report] >>723667023
>>723664619
Jak 2's guns feel like sneezes and are borderline melee weapons.
Anonymous No.723664704 [Report]
>>723664034
I can agree that the atmosphere, exploration, aesthetic, and general feel of the first game is exemplary.
Moose !!Tm8/4MnbTW4 No.723664784 [Report] >>723667568 >>723668459
>>723664497
>but it had no fucking clue what kind of tone it wanted to go for.
What? Its setting was futuristic technology mixed with nature and from that I recall the tone was generally a lighthearted adventure to stop the Dark Eco and some baddies from corrupting nature.
Anonymous No.723664817 [Report] >>723665158 >>723699137
>>723664374
I promise you the last thing on my mind when playing R&C 1 was the gunplay; Deadlocked however...
Anonymous No.723665006 [Report] >>723665590 >>723678310 >>723692561
Anonymous No.723665113 [Report] >>723670852
RAPE PRAXIS
Anonymous No.723665158 [Report] >>723665215
>>723664817
The point is that even R&C1's primitive combat was leagues ahead Jak II, and only got better with sequels while Jak regressed further.
Anonymous No.723665215 [Report]
>>723665158
>and only got better with sequels
no it didn't.
Anonymous No.723665314 [Report] >>723682091
>Instead of a love letter to Mario64 we are gonna make a watered down GTA clone for kids whose parents don't want to buy them the real thing
Anonymous No.723665414 [Report]
Anonymous No.723665446 [Report] >>723678634
>>723663059 (OP)
I liked it as a kid, and I still like it, but it was too drastic of a shift. Something like would have been laughed out of the market if it was released today.
Anonymous No.723665502 [Report]
>>723663059 (OP)
as a kid I thought it was weird but I ended up loving all 3 games
Anonymous No.723665590 [Report]
>>723665006
this scene gave me my first ever boner
Anonymous No.723665720 [Report] >>723665902 >>723666072 >>723694825
>>723664459
Not gonna lie, Mathewmatosis at home really cooked with this one.
Anonymous No.723665902 [Report] >>723665960 >>723666139 >>723673917
>>723665720
Maybe instead of just driving directly to the next mission you could actually explore the city and fuck around a bit, which was their intention.
It's not their fault you tried to make a career out of playing games and you have to force yourself to speedrun it.
Anonymous No.723665960 [Report]
>>723665902
Exploring an open world city has never been fun or interesting.
Anonymous No.723666036 [Report]
>>723663059 (OP)
Felt weird at first but spent hundreds of hours playing it and 3 over Jak 1.
Anonymous No.723666072 [Report]
>>723665720
Hes better than Matosis. I think theres only one Matosis video ive thought maybe good and its the God of War one. And he was mogged more thoroughly on that by Anderson.
Anonymous No.723666139 [Report] >>723666398 >>723666463
>>723665902
Instead of having to "fuck around" to find entertainment, maybe they could make shit to do in the city or make it impact missions in some interesting way. In other words, copy what made GTA III good.
Anonymous No.723666398 [Report] >>723666559
>>723666139
>make it impact missions in some interesting way
Like when the monsters attack the city and there's a fucking war between the guards, civilians, and metalheads? Or when there's a city-wide police lockdown and they send everyone to try to fucking kill you? Or when there's like 10 different things that permanently change parts of the city?
Just admit you didn't play it.
Anonymous No.723666463 [Report] >>723667457 >>723670495
>>723666139
You what would be incredible? If Naughty Dog went back to Jak II and just added in a enormous amount of content to make the city exponentially more interesting than it was originally. I'm talking about doing nothing to the main game but just adding a whole bunch of side shit for the player to do in the city.
Anonymous No.723666468 [Report]
>>723663059 (OP)
I was an edgy little shit, so as a kid any game that let you kill people and steal cars was automatically better in my books. Replaying it as an adult, I can see why they wanted to shift styles, but I think it was handled really poorly and given how few collectathon platformers we got after the PS2 era, I wish the Jak series had just stayed more as that.
Anonymous No.723666559 [Report]
>>723666398
I forgot about these. Great touches, too. I personally don't agree with the criticism of the city, since I thought it was still cool as shit, but still would have appreciated way more.
Anonymous No.723666631 [Report] >>723689649
It's basically the exact point when the whole industry transitioned from the cool old mentality to the shit one that's been plaguing us most visibly from 2007 and that feels like it's never going to end
Anonymous No.723667023 [Report] >>723667754 >>723674389
>>723663059 (OP)
as a kid i didn't really care.
now as an adult, in hindsight, i'm impressed that they managed to pull it off like that. no other series has done it before or since. jak 2 and jak X are my favourites.

>>723664686
that's because there's hardly any metalhead that you really need a gun for in jak 2. most of the time i just punched/twirled them out of the way, unless they were one of the 3 metalhead types that had guns themselves.
Anonymous No.723667108 [Report] >>723668795
IM GONNA!
Anonymous No.723667457 [Report]
>>723666463
that's be really cool.
but not while neil druckmann is still employed at naughty dog. he'd ruin it with LGBTQ shit that old games are thankfully spared from so long as they don't get remade.
Anonymous No.723667568 [Report]
>>723664784
it's lonng been confirmed that Jak and Daxter suffered from tweaking by sony to make it more palatable for the japanese market, which worked out for Crash but not the second time around. It was very stylistically confused and ended up gnot standing out. The shift in Jak II actually gave the series a future.
Anonymous No.723667754 [Report] >>723668459
>>723667023
>no other series has done it before or since
Warhammer to Warhammer 40K, Warcraft to Starcraft, Might and Magic, Drakengard/Nier, probably more just going off the top of my head.
Fantasy and Sci-Fi are surprisingly close bedfellows.
Anonymous No.723668143 [Report]
Jak II really is almost everything that went wrong with gaming in the early 2000's, it's just missing Limp Bizkit.
Anonymous No.723668159 [Report]
At least Jak got to retire with some dignity, Ratchet & Clank has become a shadow of its former self and is just lame safe Pixar crap now.
Anonymous No.723668184 [Report]
>>723663306
Different can be good but it can be bad too.
Anonymous No.723668459 [Report]
>>723664784
it's actually kinda weird how lighthearted of a tone the first game set, considering that humans/elves? are under threat as soon as they step foot outside of their small primitive settlements (or, as in the case of rock village, even the settlements themselves are constantly under attack). lurkers of all shapes and sizes were at war with humans/elves. this threatened-by-much-larger-enemy-faction-at-a-global-scale thing stays in the other games, lurkers just get replaced by metalheads (+ dark precursors).

>>723667754
cool, had no idea about those.
Anonymous No.723668754 [Report]
>>723663059 (OP)
It used to be my favorite in the trilogy and now it might be my least favorite.
Still a great game though
Anonymous No.723668764 [Report]
>>723663059 (OP)
its the best game in the trilogy
i will say that dark jak isn't very useful and can be past over for most of the game, unless you want to use the dark bomb.
Anonymous No.723668795 [Report]
>>723667108
CUM IN PRAXIS!
Anonymous No.723669338 [Report] >>723692653
Why did they go from Jak II, to Jak 3? It should be Jak III. Going from Roman numeral to normal number feels very inconsistent.
Anonymous No.723669349 [Report] >>723669645
How did Krew get so fat?

How did he even have sex?
Anonymous No.723669524 [Report] >>723697371
>>723663059 (OP)
shit game, the open world is piss poor but they still make you drive all the way across it just to start the actual missions. Then the missions are completely generic and uninteresting.

Jak 3 is a little more interesting but neither are as good as the original which is a really solid entry in the collectathon genre
Anonymous No.723669645 [Report]
>>723669349
food
money
Anonymous No.723669860 [Report]
>>723663059 (OP)
At the time I thought it was cool. Looking back now though I think it was pretty lame of them to chase a trend (gta 3) and make a knock off ratchet and clank game. The first game is the only one I really like now
Anonymous No.723670225 [Report]
>>723663520
>The only thing Jak II did well was the guns.
Despite Precursor Legacy only having one (1) power-up that lets you shoot a projectile, it still gives you the ability to aim and shoot in first-person; this feature was removed in Jak II, the game with guns in it.
Anonymous No.723670495 [Report] >>723692359
>>723666463
wow you mean like little challenges to get orbs?
Anonymous No.723670616 [Report] >>723697371
Jak 3 > Jak 2 > Jak X > Jak 1
Anonymous No.723670852 [Report]
>>723665113
>
Anonymous No.723670903 [Report]
Ashelin sex
Anonymous No.723670982 [Report] >>723671165 >>723671687 >>723672356 >>723672765 >>723673212 >>723673343 >>723674012 >>723678203 >>723692686
Choose
Anonymous No.723671165 [Report]
>>723670982
Maia
Anonymous No.723671347 [Report]
>>723663059 (OP)
>wao cool
Anonymous No.723671619 [Report]
Kill all gachamonkeys.
Anonymous No.723671687 [Report]
>>723670982
ashelin
Anonymous No.723671696 [Report]
>>723663059 (OP)

Thought it was sick. They changed a generic and boring as fuck platformer into a very unique, interesting, and cool genre mix game with a lot more personality and style when it comes to basically everything. Gameplay, art style, writing, world, atmosphere, etc, etc. Shame about Jak 3 being such a rushed mess. It could've been an amazing trilogy if Naughty Dog hadn't been so obsessed with publishing Uncharted 1 as fast as possible. J3 should've gotten full 2 years long development time just like the first two games desu. Jak X was sick tho
Anonymous No.723672356 [Report] >>723673145 >>723673730
>>723670982
They should've gone with the original concept art design for Ashelin desu. Tomboys are always superior to bimbos
Anonymous No.723672703 [Report] >>723672912
>>723664034
>Every single bike and car moved like it was on ice yet they loved making you do challenges where you have to be precise with it
Almost like...that's part of the challenge.
Anonymous No.723672765 [Report] >>723673896
>>723670982
absolutely Maia hands down, I think she was the one to condition me into loving both evil women and dark elves
Moose !!Tm8/4MnbTW4 No.723672912 [Report] >>723673272 >>723674510
>>723672703
Which aren't fun in the slightest. Neither are the races where you have to be in 1st for the eggs. The vehicles all control like absolute ass yet are treated like they aren't and your opponents all rubberband so even if you have control over them you just get a middle finger from the person you are racing against anyway.
Anonymous No.723673145 [Report]
>>723672356
i don't like white girls with cornrows either but this looks like the hawaiian punch guy's hat
Anonymous No.723673193 [Report] >>723673489
>>723663306
When something different is just copying what's popular, yes.
In saying that copying what's popular is the only thing Naughty Dog have ever done
Anonymous No.723673212 [Report]
>>723670982
Anonymous No.723673272 [Report]
>>723672912
skill issue
Anonymous No.723673343 [Report] >>723689649
>>723670982
keira but only from jak 1
Anonymous No.723673489 [Report] >>723699232
>>723673193

But Jack 2 wasn't just a 1:1 copy of what's popular. It was a unique and artistic mix of 3 different genres. You don't have a lot of games about elves fighting for freedom in a sci-fi world where gameplay is a mix of open world sandbox, action platformer, and third person shooter
Anonymous No.723673550 [Report]
>>723664619
>gunplay bad because I don't like the gimmick guns
Weird take considering Ratchet has an equivalent of each garbage gun in Jak 2. Also the aiming isn't total aids
Anonymous No.723673730 [Report]
>>723672356
luckily for me i like bimbos
Anonymous No.723673896 [Report] >>723673990
>>723672765
sauce?
Anonymous No.723673917 [Report]
>>723665902
There's nothing to explore or fuck around with
Anonymous No.723673990 [Report]
>>723673896
R34 it mate. There is like 20 pictures max of Maia.
Anonymous No.723674012 [Report]
>>723670982
Anonymous No.723674109 [Report]
>>723663059 (OP)
it was kino
Anonymous No.723674389 [Report]
>>723667023
Other than one particular level, you can handily beat R&C wrench only. Not needing guns isn't an argument
Anonymous No.723674510 [Report]
>>723672912
The challenge is fun.
Anonymous No.723675247 [Report]
The first Jak game is more timeless because of it's well polished smaller scope. Jak II tried to do many new things and take the series in a new direction, but since it was trying so many new things each thing individually lacks polish. It was exciting when it came out because you could feel the bigger scope and it seemed like such a big deal! But now looking back I think the original game holds up the best and it what I'd recommend to any newcomer who wants to check out the series.
Anonymous No.723675467 [Report]
>>723663059 (OP)
I'M GONNA KILL PRAXIS!
Anonymous No.723675702 [Report] >>723676205 >>723677832
It was a barely competent trend chasing sequel.
>the guns all feel like shit
>the rifle is a pea shooter, the shotgun has a range of "might as well just hit him
>ammo spawning is a fucking joke, often forcing you to use a single gun, like how the final boss only spawns rifle ammo
>the GTA car jacking is lame, the map is too confined and narrow to ever be fun to drive in
>the vehicles handle like shit and are made of tin foil, so you have to avoid other vehicles on the top level to not blow up every two minutes
>on the ground level, there are guards every six feet and getting rid of them is a hassle
>this means that you have to mash R2 to stay in between the levels in order to drive unimpeded for any length of time, which sucks and forces you to listen to the whooshing sound effect constantly
>the missions themselves are often boring, and they are so stingy with checkpoints that failure can cost you 10+ minutes
>let's not forget the hoverboard, since Naughty Dog had to copy literally every popular game
The city was also ugly, but that was a stylistic choice.
Anonymous No.723676139 [Report]
>>723663059 (OP)
Jak and Daxter was always directionless, from the beginning.
Anonymous No.723676205 [Report] >>723678049
>>723675702
>the guns feel like shit
Someone was too stupid to figure out how to dashjump spin-fire.
Anonymous No.723677832 [Report]
>>723675702
Although I think Jak II is overall better than you're giving it credit for, all your points about how many things they were trying to do and how none of them got enough polish to be great are true. If Naughty Dog had focused on fewer things and made them better the game would have been better overall.
Anonymous No.723678049 [Report] >>723682247
>>723676205
All the weapons were ment to be in Jak 2 were extensions of his melee. Its odd as shit people are complaining about wanting 1st person and cover shooting when that is not the intention of the game design.
Anonymous No.723678053 [Report] >>723678135 >>723686107
Childhood is arguing about which is the better Jak game.
Adulthood is realizing Sly was the superior franchise all along.
Anonymous No.723678135 [Report]
>>723678053
It's ratchet and clank sly is the worse
Anonymous No.723678203 [Report]
>>723670982
Keira is the only correct choice as she is the only one who still has her hymen and isn't a blown out whore
Anonymous No.723678310 [Report]
>>723665006
The fact that you can see her underwear peaking out of her pants did something to me as a kid.
Anonymous No.723678451 [Report]
>>723664374
>MY game is better than YO-
I enjoyed both.
>-ACK!!!
Anonymous No.723678630 [Report]
I loved the first game to death.
Second game, I saw a commercial for it and I didn't think anything of it. Same with Jak 2.
Years later I replayed the trilogy and loved 1, begrudgingly respected 2 for making me mad enough to beat it and went through III without any real feelings, though I grew to love Daxter in the second game and the twist in 3 vindicated his character.
Daxter is also Mar, Jak is from the future, Daxter and Keira are from the past.
Anonymous No.723678634 [Report]
>>723665446
today's market is 100x gayer and dumber, why would you value its opinion
Anonymous No.723678805 [Report]
I never played the first but I wanted to get 2 because of the gameplay.
I thought it was odd that they had such a switch up but at the same time it didn't seem out of the ordinary. Other games had simillar kind of "maturity" and/or "edgy" jump. There's probably a better example but for whatever reason OoT -> MM comes to mind, but that's a gen before.

The cars and guns were fun, I really liked that game.
Anonymous No.723678976 [Report] >>723679428
Did a single person even play this game? I didn't even know it existed until many years after it released.
Anonymous No.723679428 [Report]
>>723678976
A friend let me borrow the PSP version one time. Didn't think it was anything special. Kind of a disappointing way to end the series.
Anonymous No.723679654 [Report] >>723680779 >>723682247
>>723663059 (OP)
I try to never talk about jak 2 because 90% of the time I encounter mouth breathing retards who can't comprehend how it improved on every aspect and ditched the mundane collectathon format it had in exchange for tighter and more focused linear levels. They will always default to it being copying GTA with the cars and guns, forgetting that they control COMPLETELY different from GTA.

Jak 1 isn't even that great of a game. Boring mini games, platforming that only gets good near the end. I've accepted I'm just surrounded by retards.
Anonymous No.723680779 [Report]
>>723679654
>Jak 1 isn't even that great of a game. Boring mini games, platforming that only gets good near the end. I've accepted I'm just surrounded by retards.
I have no idea why you say this, as if Jak 2 didnt make the minigames arguably even worse. Or as if Jak 2 significantly improved on the platforming, when theres arguably less of it because it has to share time with the numerous other amount of filler gameplay added and the increased focus on combat.

Or how much time is wasted going from mission to mission for how short they are or how quickly they add new ideas just to abandon it.

Seriously. All of this and I didnt even have to mention GTA once.

Tell me why I should think the game is good despite this? I have no biases. I have no narratives. I can both say that Jak 1 and 2 were flawed undercooked games that never really developed as the games went on. EVEN within their own game.

I wanted to believe they were different or special in some way because how rare adventure platformers were and how much I think games like Ratchet and Clank shit the bed moving off from platforming and adventure to a more action and action and oh, jump while you action; gameplay.
Anonymous No.723680814 [Report]
Faggots are the ones who talk shit about any of the games. Real gamers accept the changes and appreciate ND for not trying to recreate something damn near perfect. No way they could make a sequel that'd live up to what the fans of TPL really wanted. Expectations and business strategies changed so it'd just ruin what TPL already established. Jak II let's TPL keep its glory while also moving the characters into a new setting where they can thrive in a new way. Jak being broken but turned hero again by the end was a good, logical way to make the game. They essentially did what R&C did with the finding the Lombaxes shit but earlier. ND and Insomniac really used each other and it's pretty funny but also lazy. Jak 3 could've, would've, and should've been the expected masterpiece but of course Uncharted was already coming about and no doubt the studio wanted to just wrap that shit up, as retarded as that was. I am glad the series wasn't completely raped like R&C at least.
Anonymous No.723681840 [Report]
bum so he can respond
Anonymous No.723682091 [Report]
>>723665314
that was me and i loved jak ii and iii
Anonymous No.723682247 [Report] >>723682847
>>723678049
If they're only useful as melee weapons then what's the point?
>>723679654
>they control COMPLETELY different from GTA
It would be an improvement if they didn't
Anonymous No.723682735 [Report]
boomp
Anonymous No.723682847 [Report]
>>723682247
I think the point from the devs at the time were to find a way to integrate weapons into Jaks kit which Jak 2 did well (Jak3 turning it more into a TPS with auto weapons that killed things for you). Jak 2 tried to do many things and I feel it succeeded for the most part; the movement and combat was very refined and played good.
Anonymous No.723683692 [Report]
Jak 2 shit hah!
Anonymous No.723684341 [Report]
All the Jaks are amazing and I want Jak 3 to finish on OpenGOAL before I died.
Anonymous No.723686107 [Report]
>>723678053
The first 3 Sly games are well done and have a genuinely good storyline continuing through all three, which sets it apart from practically all other video game series. A great trilogy of games, shame everything else with Sly is terrible.
Anonymous No.723687572 [Report]
The racing missions were awful
Anonymous No.723689649 [Report] >>723690783 >>723692748
>>723663059 (OP)
I preferred 1, but 2 is also a good game (aside from all of the monotonous driving from A to B; seriously, just a single quick-travel point in the center of each district would have been a godsend) and gets an unreasonable amount of hate from retarded zoomies who have probably never played it

>>723666631
>the era of eternal cawadoody
have any of them improved in any meaningful way from the experience of hardcore MW2?

>>723673343
this
I remember her becoming a bitch in the subsequent games
Anonymous No.723690783 [Report]
>>723689649
The traveling is all to prepare you for the race with Errol. That race is probably one of the closest times I've come to breaking a controller. Every couple playthroughs I get lucky and her fucks himself up, same for in the big race.
Anonymous No.723691190 [Report] >>723694609
>723680779
so nobody has a counter argument to this honest engagement of criticism without mentioning gta?

since i did my due diligence now im wondering if somebody can even write something have as long as to why the game is good, i would love to be convinced im itching for a 2000s platformer playthrough
Anonymous No.723691324 [Report] >>723692578
dark jak was fun. i loved running around fighting cops
Anonymous No.723692359 [Report]
>>723670495
No, like going into building, custom NPCs, gangs, racing, some kind of economy, civic structures, etc.
Anonymous No.723692403 [Report]
I played 2 before 1 so it didn't hit me much
Anonymous No.723692561 [Report]
>>723665006
KEIRA OWES ME SEX
Anonymous No.723692578 [Report]
>>723691324
I completely forgot about them ripping off the devil trigger too. I liked the game well enough, but it is among the most creatively bankrupt games I've ever seen.
Anonymous No.723692653 [Report]
>>723669338
Its ok they'll make jak IIII for the psV
Anonymous No.723692686 [Report]
>>723670982
It's either Keira or Maia but it's an impossible choice to make
Anonymous No.723692748 [Report]
>>723689649
>I remember her becoming a bitch in the subsequent games
She took almost no convincing to believe the arrogant officer working for the despotic ruler over two people she had known since childhood. Good dick must do strange things to a woman.
Anonymous No.723692826 [Report]
>>723663059 (OP)
I liked the first one more, but II is also great. They tried to mimic the GTA experience, but while I found it fun as a teen it has aged quite badly.
The one a didn't like at all was the third one.
Anonymous No.723693127 [Report] >>723693852
>want to replay Jak 2
>Remember THAT section
Anonymous No.723693728 [Report] >>723693965
Wasn't there some kind of Jak/Daxer Ratchet/Clank crossover at some point?
Anonymous No.723693852 [Report]
>>723693127
the daxter rocket mission
Anonymous No.723693897 [Report]
>>723663520
>The only thing Jak II did well was the guns.
bro you had only 4 guns, and the last one felt like it was near the end of the game. Realistically you played through the game with 2 of them.
Anonymous No.723693965 [Report] >>723694279 >>723694325
>>723693728
Oh yeah, that happened.
Anonymous No.723694056 [Report]
I liked Jak 2 a lot, other than the pointless amount of time you spend going between mission locations.

Jak X was good too. Still surprised they gave it the full ingame cutscene treatment for a combat racer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOCbIlm9PHY
Anonymous No.723694279 [Report]
>>723693965
7th Gen was a truly terrible era for video games, but still better than it is right now.
Anonymous No.723694325 [Report] >>723694372
>>723693965
Did no one on their entire creative team point out how fucking terrible Sly looks in this? At least the rest of them mostly look on model, other than Ratchet becoming half-Asian.
Anonymous No.723694368 [Report]
>>723664374
I've played both series, have the same amount of nostalgia for both, and I think Ratchet & Clank is just boring compared to Jak & Daxter. The first J&D is a better collectathon and platformer. R&C feels way less smooth to me, and a lot of the guns feel useless compared to the actually good ones so unlocking them just feels like a pointless grind. Jak 2 has a smaller selection of all useful guns. Red is good for groups of weak enemies, blue for DPS and going HAM, and the peacemaker is fucking great. Yellow is the all-around weapon that feels worse when you suck but great when you git gud as it has the best combo moves and range. Jak 2 still has great platforming, hoverboard sections, races, and great vehicle mechanics. You can either zip around in the small cars or knock small cars out of the sky with a big one, and hopping between the two layers makes for a fun way to race through the city choosing whether to deal with cars or pedestrians and terrain obstacles. Jak 3 flubbed most of the story threads from Jak 2, but does deliver on expanded gameplay. Overall great series that stands head and shoulders above R&C.
Anonymous No.723694372 [Report]
>>723694325
They all look terrible, it was a shitty wagglan game that Sony commissioned to try and siphon some Wii money.
Anonymous No.723694609 [Report]
>>723691190
Dumbass faggot bitch.
Anonymous No.723694650 [Report]
>>723663059 (OP)
I liked it. I'm not a fan of Jack 1.
Anonymous No.723694825 [Report]
>>723665720
What an insufferable faggot
Anonymous No.723695612 [Report] >>723695858
Why did somebody tell me that Jak and Daxter is the best adventure game of the 6th gen?
Anonymous No.723695858 [Report] >>723696118
>>723695612
Why indeed, it wasn't even true at the time.
Anonymous No.723696118 [Report] >>723696620
>>723695858
What game was then? Hard Mode: No Zelda.
Anonymous No.723696592 [Report]
>>723663059 (OP)
Said it in past threads, but I loved Jak 1's world more. As a kid, I was hoping we'd get to see more of it. This demo trailer still gives me goosebumps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xufjHYipgsU
I was seven when the first game out, so it's wild to me that, years later, I'd read up on what made ND shift Jak 2 so radically, and one of the reason was that kids who were the same age as me at the time said Jak 1 would be better for their younger brothers.
Anonymous No.723696620 [Report] >>723696667 >>723696786
>>723696118
The easiest answer is that it isn't an adventure game. The real answer is a little more complicated, based on what exactly you mean by adventure game. As far as gameplay goes, Mario Sunshine and R&C had better controls, R&C had more varied environments and a greater sense of adventure, as did games like God of War. I would grant that it feels the most like playing a cartoon, but it falls short of the previous gen's Mega Man Legends and Sheep Raider.
Anonymous No.723696667 [Report] >>723696795
>>723696620
>and Sheep Raider.
Dont know what kind of insult this is but the classic Tomb Raider series is a Top 3 adventure game of all time.
Anonymous No.723696786 [Report] >>723697068
>>723696620
>R&C had more varied environments and a greater sense of adventure, as did games like God of War.
God of War I can kind of understand, much more the modern games than the classic games imo, as the later classic games leaned more and more action and cinematics and abandoned puzzles and platforming (not that there really was much anyway) But Ratchet and Clank? Doesn't Jak and Daxter still have more platforming than R&C? Unless by "adventure" you dont mean braving the enviroment and navigating problems it throws at you. But instead simply the aesthetics of adventure where you can be doing nothing adventurous at all, but aslong as youre traveling a grand distance from destination to destination with some combat inbetween, then youre "adventure"?
Anonymous No.723696795 [Report]
>>723696667
Hidden gem of the late PS1 era.
Anonymous No.723696876 [Report]
>>723663059 (OP)
It was good game, but man, was it obvious that Naughty Dog was scrambling to copy GTA3.
Anonymous No.723697068 [Report] >>723697163
>>723696786
A grander sense of "what's next" and of actually going on a quest. Don't get me wrong, I adore the first Jak game, but I don't think it does anything the best.
Anonymous No.723697163 [Report] >>723697373
>>723697068
>but I don't think it does anything the best.
I dont disagree there which is why im sympathetic to Jak 2 fans. The game should have built on its foundation, but maybe they simply felt it didnt have enough foundation to build on anyway so they gimmicked it up

>A grander sense of "what's next" and of actually going on a quest.

Would you say the sequels accomplish that then? Atleast more than Ratchet and Clank?
Anonymous No.723697190 [Report]
>>723663306
>change is always good
Childish mentality
Anonymous No.723697371 [Report]
>>723663225
>>723669524
>>723670616
Its interesting to see that 3 is held to higher regard than I thought. I would have expected it to be widely considered the worst game with the increased minigame bloat, the increased vehicle focus with even weirder handling, and the clearly half assed potential of the eco abilities like the time one.
Anonymous No.723697373 [Report] >>723697464
>>723697163
The sequels to Ratchet? Yeah, probably. Insomniac slowly turned it into a TPS with jumping, but they did a good job with scale and they kept planet themes from getting stale. The Jak series, not so much. Even people who like Jak II admit that it is derivative as fuck, and I don't think it does anything special with the futuristic city. Jak 3 is just Mad Max but less Australian.
Anonymous No.723697464 [Report] >>723697773
>>723697373
>and they kept planet themes from getting stale.
I'm curious. Maybe I played a different game. But what do you mean mechanically speaking. Like different level design? Different navigational/movement challenges? Or what. Im a bit confused, do you mean studf that one weird gravity gimmick level in 2? Oh my god im remembering how weird that level is because I remember nothing specific about it, but also remember it taking me a while for some reason when im pretty sure the actual gameplay doesnt change or get more challenging, you just have to hit stuff at the top of a tower or something.
Anonymous No.723697773 [Report] >>723697996
>>723697464
I'm talking about the worlds themselves. If you just want gameplay gimmicks though, Ratchet still has Jak beat because of the gadgets, not to mention the infrequent Clank sections, the space battles, or the 2D segments of Up Your Arsenal.
Anonymous No.723697996 [Report] >>723698296 >>723699058
>>723697773
>Ratchet still has Jak beat because of the gadgets
Gadget Interaction with the enviroment is very miniscule. And most of it is platforming anyway...which is not strongly emphasized in the series.
Anonymous No.723698296 [Report] >>723699058
>>723697996
It's more than nothing. Maybe you finally should elaborate on what exactly you mean by adventure, I am no closer to understanding what the fuck you're actually wanting. It isn't controls, it isn't environmental design, it isn't gameplay, I'm starting to run out of examples of things games actually do.
Anonymous No.723699058 [Report]
>>723697996
>>723698296
At this point I just miss having three amazing action-adventure-platforming series on the same system. It's so absurd now to see people splitting hairs over which 9/10 was better when we're bombarded with non-stop 3/10 cinematic slop full of gun-toting women and gayniggers FROM THE SAME STUDIOS.
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>>723664817
You want to fuck that spider monkey?
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>>723663306
It feels like a missed opportunity that they took a hard left turn with the guns and hovercars and the enclosed city instead of iterating even more on the Eco powerups, movement and the vibrant and diversely colorful pseudo-open world. Making it appear almost seamless was a real achievement back then, and it kind of sucks that they basically threw that away entirely in favor of a mostly different game with an entirely different tone. I still liked Jak II and III, but I always wished we got a real continuation of Precursor Legacy instead of a huge copout. Ironically, The Lost Frontier was a little bit of a return to form, at least in that regard.
Anonymous No.723699232 [Report]
>>723673489
>You don't have a lot of games about elves fighting for freedom in a sci-fi world where gameplay is a mix of open world sandbox, action platformer, and third person shooter
Nobody tell him