Thread 723666841

>名誉などない!(You have no honor)
>お前は名誉の奴隷だ! (And you are a slave to it!)

what IT?

Better to be a slave than a free man.

>>723666841 (OP)
thr game was extremely mid (other than art style) but the ending was extremely kino.

>>723666841 (OP)
Do Samuraivirgins actually think this is deep writing?

>>723666841 (OP)
When Jin said the honor died at the beach, he was right.
Every single character, including him, had to be executed by the Shogun, except Taka.

>>723666841 (OP)
imagine how cool this would be if they were klingons

>>723666841 (OP)
killing unc was the right decision.

>Slavery is... LE BAD!!!
I always see this, but I never see any justification or argument for why. Is it just because of some sense of white guilt (even though it was actually the jews who were part of the trans-atlantic slave trade)?
Is debt slavery or forcing criminals to do labour really a morally bad thing?

Literally nothing wrong with having honor and dying by it until the end.

>>723669639
iirc there's a quest in Asscreed Odyssey where a dude considers setting his slave free after years of servitude but the slave asks you to help him renew his slave contract because being a slave is legit better than having to survive on his own

After the game Jin fled to Hokkaido where he lived out the rest of his life in a house on the coast, you can visit his grave and get his sword and mask

>>723669589
Killing him means you didn't understand the story at all. Jin doesn't care about honor, he cares about keeping his family and country safe regardless of what people think of him. If Shimura wants to sudoku himself for the shogun to redeem himself that's on him, but Jin outright would not harm his loved ones let alone care about Shimura's platitudes of "Honor". He stopped caring about that the instant he cut that general's head off in front of his men and gained the instakill buff. Prior to that he was still wishy-washy but was willing to assassinate or poison people, but once he chopped that head off and rallied the villagers he stopped caring.

>>723669795
Most people pre western enlightenment and liberalism never thought slavery was morally bad, only that you should never abuse a slave or treat them like an animal.
I guarantee you, if most people were given the choice of being a slave like in the ancient to medieval world without it being called slavery or the modern 9-5 living paycheck to paycheck, they would choose the former.

>>723669886
If he really loved his uncle he would honor his decision to die.

>>723669639
Yes both of those things are objectively bad you dumabss psudeo intellectual

>>723669886
Killing him also fucks Tsushima over because the Shogun also tasked Shimura with training the replacement samurai in anti mongol tactics, not just hunting down The Ghost.

Shame they decided not to continue Jin's journey and instead decided to create a lesbian power fantasy.

>>723670023
>It's bad because... IT JUST IS OKAY
See what I mean when I said no justification or argument?

>>723669886
I thought he dies at the start getting his throat slit, why is he still alive?

>>723669978
He doesn't care about the concept of honor. He doesn't believe in its existence nor care about it. Therefore he has no reason to care that Shimura cares about it. He hasn't cared about Shimura's opinion on honor since he poisoned the castle.

>>723669886
why are tripfags always retarded?

>>723666914
>Hmm, this frog must be talking about THAT guy...

>>723670083
Do you think you would actually want to be a slave? Fair enough if so, but that's some subhuman behavior

>>723670121
Where the fuck did you get that idea? The Mongols take him captive after the failure of the beach assault.

>>723670249
from watching the cinematic on youtube, he gets his throat slit

>>723670215
>t. Wagecuck

>>723669886
Correct.

>>723670319
Debt slavery is also bad, as i stated earlier, but you are clearly a suburbanite zoomer with a room temp iq, my bad for taking the bait

>>723666841 (OP)
>let us lose our nation and our people be genocided

"at least I have muh honor"

>>723670432
>Debt slavery is... LE BAD
Again, you keep proving my point that you have no actual arguments, only emotional appeals.

>clan saikai is forgotten but jin is remembered in yotei

uncle the cuck lost and was wrong.

>>723670317
Brother, you blind.
They did le animu "it's okay, I hit him with the back of my blade" shit. Look at how the blade curves.

>>723670023
>psudeo intellectual
College reject retard detected. Not sure why you dumb fag's are so sensitive about education.

>anon asks for sauce
>mfw giving it is helping him cum, making him gay

>>723666841 (OP)
How did they go from this to two lesbians dyking out?

>>723669639
Slavery or serfdom are no longer necessary in your home country when you have the industrial base to replace its labor. Keeping it is just pointless cruelty.

Consolefag: you have no exclusives!
PCchad: and you are slave to them

>>723669639
>forcing criminals to do labour
Unfair competition

>>723669886
Shame your assmongling isn't canon eh

>>723669639
I only like sex slavery.

>>723670934
two lesbians dyking out was also a side quest in tsushima retard

>>723670992
Did the devs actually give a canon ending to this? Last I saw they were all "we don't have a canon ending but in our heart of hearts we feel like Jin would spare him" noncommittal shit. Even the GoT easter egg in Yotei doesn't really give a definitive answer to this, just that Jin fucks off from Tsushima to Hokkaido.

>>723670568
Yotei is not canon, it's like bethesda fallouts.

>>723670804
you're the gay one since you proactively answered his call

>>723670940
I think the modern financial system where free people who can choose who and what they work at yet being unable to even afford a house is more cruel than being a peasant who had to give their crops to their lord but at least had their own land and worked half the year.
>>723670957
Might be a fair point but I am neither in favour of capitalism or socialism.

>>723667078
I really like how the khan never felt like a real "big bad". By the time you get to him you're so OP that he's no match at all, and then they hit you with that absolute kino fight against your uncle with such a perfect buildup.

>>723667428
Actually no, the interpretation of bushido and honor in the game is laughable. They were taking liberties to create a conflict and presenting that 'honor' to a rules of engagement reserved specifically for mutually agreeing parties like other honorable samurai.

>>723671671
It clearly based on popular moder view of samurai honor. It's not suppose to be realistic.

The sequel is such an unimaginable downgrade
>revenge bad
>all the targets are unrepentant pieces of garbage that have to die anyway
>your methods of killing them is barely a detriment to any third parties
>"Nooooo revenge is consuming you, you only bring death!"
It isn't even like you are doing anything slightly morally reprehensible as a murderous drifter, there is no actual internal conflict, killing the Yotei Six just makes the area a better place, even if the Samurai are just an extension of the shogun's power they still aren't nearly as destructive and violent as those serving Saito.

Would have bought a direct sequel to this game day 1 but they made something very off putting instead.

>>723670123
You are a literal retard.

>>723669639
>I always see this, but I never see any justification or argument for why.
Less tax paying people. Why would the government allow 1 slaver paying taxes of 10% off the labor of 100 slaves when the IRS could be the slaver instead and collect 20% from everyone else?

>>723666841 (OP)
The funniest bit about orientalising shit like this is that Japanese TL team struggled really hard to even render this crap into Moonspeak.
名誉 is not honor. There is no word for "honor" in Japanese/Chinese/Korean/Vietnamese. 名誉 means "renown", "notoriety", that sort of thing.
In the context of Western society, it is the "Your honor,..." used when talking to the judge, or "honor student". Not this mythical Western concept of being a very very good Christian dude and not doing things that Christianity and Western culture finds bad, going as far as to kill themselves if they slight it. Which, should be obvious when spelled out like this, is absurd to expect of a nonChristian, Sinitic society.

Captcha: NHKDP (NHK and LDP?).

>>723672986
>there is no actual internal conflict
This is my biggest issue with that game. The main character is some blacksmith's daughter, she wasn't raised to be a super honorable warrior with a strict code. She doesn't have to force herself to unlearn everything her father taught her about combat to survive.
Jin's story is compelling for that reason and many more. He gets to see the other perspective multiple times with Yuna when survival is all that matter, and if it wasn't for her he would be an honorable dead man instead of becoming the ghost.
The new game is just bullshit.

>>723673402
The definition of honour is relatively new to us too. It used to be that honour was about adhering to a code, like chivalry. Knights were initially just armed servants expected to excel at horsemanship and warfare. Later they were expected to act in ways appropriate for court that made their lords look good, leading to a romantic kind of chivalry. It's only in the modern day that we associate honour as synonymous with general morality.
I'm reminded though of a page from the Hagakure where a peasant accidentally disrespects a samurai, gets given his shortsword and runs when he's told to duel and die honourably for it. The samurai tracks him down (the peasant still had the sword) and kills his whole family for it, which the commentator calls regrettable because he wasn't given a second chance to duel. I don't think that kind of honour would fly with modern people.
>>723673660
Jin also has a personal issue with hiding since he feels guilt over his father's death. There's layers to him becoming the Ghost. GoT wasn't amazingly written but by today's standards it's great.

>>723667078
this. had to go through all that garbage but that ending will always be stuck inside my head