Thread 723675896

Why did the series go downhill after 3?

>>723675896 (OP)
it was decline from the start

>Why did the series go downhill after 3?
*2

5 is better than 3

>>723675896 (OP)
4 was also good. It was basically just 3 but in the mountains.
>>723676157
2 is the worst in the series. Enjoy your infinitely respawning checkpoints of niggers and your malaria chores.

>>723676457
>Terrible pacing
>Even more boring gameplay loop
>Retards believing it would be le conservative murder sim
>Less interesting environment

2 = 3 > 5 > 1 >>>> 4 > 6

Every Far Cry game has been the same since 3.

>>723675896 (OP)
Because they just made 3 over and over again, thinking a new charismatic villain each time would salvage it
All the bells and whistles of 4-6 don't change the fact that the core gameplay is identical to 3, they just increased the map sizes to bloat the game so you eventually get fucking sick of the gameplay loop

>>723677423
Still better than 2.

honestery, they shoudlnt kill their characters.

People like Vaas, so they sohuld have kept Vaas. they sohudl have found a way to get some kindof of far cry unvierse, without the caveats of universe types of medias. mad it blend without effort, witout some cringe avengers shit. just osme one hardcor erealistic line that leads form places to another, some criminal organizaiton, maybe linked to the government wahtever, mercaenaries dfoing dirty work in general.

maybe they sohuld have one title that gos full memes like blood dragon or the shit where u have a crocodile pet, and one more serious, with less stuff on the UI, less farming or upgrades etc, more holywood movie action shit, survival maybe with higher difficulty and much better storytelling, maybe more violent and grim.

Otherwise they end up contaminating the main title with their meme shit or zillion side quests and its just meh. maybe open world secitosn sohuldnt be the whole game either, bmaybe you have blong break with several regular shit then u come back for a while. sometimes the game need smore rythm

also they should ditch the formuaism of colourful villain (maybe too much) always coming back once in a while to say osme bullshit. they need it irregular with longer cut where its more regular shit a bit like far cry 2

for the gameplay im not sure ubisoft has the IQ in their devs to do it. gameplay requires being pretty nerdy and pretty smart their devs seem to be mid+ these days. the gunplay has been somewhat unsatisfying sicne about the second game

>>723676657
becaus eit had a lot of respawning same shit doesnt mean it was the worst. it had a good ambiance and less colourfull clowns, it wa smore about axctually surviving on your own in the grass compared to farming shit and you could avoid camps u dont have to clear infinitely

>>723678038
>>723678124
You speak in "Halo is a pretty cool guy"

>>723678124
You literally can't fucking avoid them. There is a checkpoint on the main roads I had to clear about 5 times before I dropped that piece of shit game. Every time you travel from one side of the map to the other, you have to clear this fucking checkpoint. You can't drive around because the forest is so dense with logs and you can't drive through because they light you up with guns and rockets. It was so fucking tedious and horrible game design.

>>723675896 (OP)
It might have been inevitable.
They were still doing a lot of exploring on what they wanted their games to be in mechanical terms.
Look at the drastic shift from 2, to 3.
3 was an enshittification of the mechanics compared to 2, instead of a proper refinement.
They got into the ubisoft lookout tower meme as well, and began relying on repetitive and easy-to-throw-together bases too much.
Their STORY writing held up fairly well as they kept trying to make things fun and make characters interesting like >>723677423 said, neglecting the rest.

>>723678585
Name a single thing 2 did better than 3.

>>723675896 (OP)
Its the same with Asscreed lol
>design good game
>it gets great reviews
>recycle and repackage the same gameplay for 20+ games and they should logically get good reviews too, right?
>right...?
Its llike they legitamately dont know how to game design like its a rubix cube puzzle to them to make a good game and they think if they did it once they never have to do it again. Its really a dull as fuck shooter with 3/10 stealth elements and obnoxious collecting it only workedd in 3 and blood dragon ubisoft is dumb as fuck. They even got caught in far cry primal REUSING THE SAME MAP and few people seem to notice theyve also been reusing the same first person view model animations since 3 as well. The amount of recycled shit is INSANE and no one says anything I feel like the only person noticing the same animations being reused in the first person hands no one ever brings that up.

>>723678882
Gunplay, survival aspects, companions.
later games got better with the companions than 3 as well, but 2 had a good grit to it.
3 was just too casual; it felt limited and rushed in many areas there.
Like the lack of companions... even though that DID fit perfectly into the story.

>>723675896 (OP)
It didn't. I'd say 4 and 5 are perfectly good games even though they don't reinvent beyond what 3 did. 6 is kind of a slog and so was new dawn.

>>723675896 (OP)
I never liked the series, to begin with. Same with that hackerman series. Always thought it was unbelievably boring and generally meh. Division or whatever, i think it was called.

>>723676657
I hate the endless forts and stuff you have to clear out in the far cry games.

>>723679081
>Gunplay
The guns feel the same if not better in 3
>Survival aspects
Yeah, I love needing constant medicine for some gay disease I have to stop and find constantly
>Companions
You talk about enshittification yet you think the companion system is good game design? Why do you think the game should play itself?

>>723679194
At least with forts you just have to clear them once. Those god damned checkpoints in 2 will respawn fucking forever and you can't avoid them. Worst game design ever.

>>723675896 (OP)
I could be completely wrong, but the impression I got is that fc3 basically lucked out with a talented team that gave a shit, and wasn't stricken with overbearing publishers or management. Possibly they just expected the game to be another cash-cow slop title, so there wasn't much intervention.

There seemed to be an odd amount of creative decisions that were really risky but genuinely paid off. Like the skrillex flamethrower pot field was aptly hilarious back then. Keep in mind that the marijuana debate was still full swing in America and was still illegal everywhere. The very Alice in Wonderland quotes were an interesting decision and a bit cringe, but I enjoyed it. The lost letters were a pretty neat addition that made the world feel more alive. There were so many decisions that felt like they were designed just to be fun instead of artificially inflating the runtime of the game.

iirc Vaas was basically completely unplanned. he was originally a va that they liked so much that they completely rewrote the story around him.

>>723679221
Ohhhhh you didn't PLAY Far Cry 2.
Just fucking say you only played 3 and maybe 5 next time, retard.

>>723679325
I did play it, you nigger. Just not for very long because it was annoying trash.

>>723679407
Ah so it was more like:
>"wuh, this game is a CHALLENGE?"
>"WDYM I ACTUALLY GET INJURED!"
>"WHY CANT I JUST MAGICALLY HEAL FROM A BUTTON?!!!!"
>"this game SUCKS I need some casual slop"
>goes off crying for a refund

3 just werks, you drop on an island like in FC1 and run around killing tigers and shit

FC3 had better plot/characters/skill tree. FC4 had better setting and gameplay.

I loved the shitty helicopter thing, the Shangri-La missions, the mountain hopping platforming, etc.

Crazy that there are almost no games set in the Himalaya despite it being CRAZY beautiful and cool

>>723679549
>Challenge
>Respawning checkpoint on main road you're required to clear out every time you want to pass through
There's a difference between a challenge and garbage game design. Far cry 2 falls into the latter.

>>723679857
>dude I cried and bitched out RIGHT away so I totally know how far cry 2 plays
look we get that you are a fucking retard no need to double down.
2 was too hard, you needed casual slop, but 5 must have broken the illusion by making it mysteriously "too easy"
so you probably played on SUPER easy difficulties so that having companions ACTUALLY made the game "play itself"

You aren't just a retarded casual
You are a PICKY retarded casual.

>>723679549
Don't forget because the stealth system in 2 is decently realistic they had to make the a.i retarded in 3 because people assume crouching makes you invisible so it came as a shock that the player could be seen just crouching standing in the open. 3 fixes that.

>>723679857
Actually filtered. Protip: 90% of checkpoints can be avoided if you go offroad.

>>723679981
>Pretends to be hard and a true gamer
>Relies on companions to play the game for you
You didn't beat the game

>>723680018
he probably expects to be handheld in basic navigation so doing anything but blindly rushing along the roads never occurred to him.
>>723680076
Oh look he's throwing a tantrum now
You REALLY don't know how the games play lmao

>>723680018
Yeah bro, it's so easy to avoid the checkpoint on the main road in the forest with giant logs fucking everywhere. You can't even blow through it because they will snipe you with rockets. You're from the same vein as soulsfags. You equate taking punishment from horrible devs as being challenged when the systems just aren't fucking good or fair. You wear your own masochism as a badge of honor and act like you're so much better than everyone else because you were willing to take more punishment during your free time. It's really quite pathetic.

>>723680282
>baby MAD
>make BIG BOOMBOOM post

>>723680164
You can't drive through the forest because there are logs fucking everywhere. If you need companions to help you kill enemies then you aren't as hard as you're pretending to be.

>>723680282
Only a single checkpoint in the game has a dude armed with an RPG, so you're just lying as we all know.

>>723680316
>Cant rebut main argument
>Better pretend like he's a baby for 5 posts

>>723680363
>drive
Holy shit.
This idiot is so stupid he didn't even think of WALKING AROUND and ambushing LMAO
>"dude why can't I just retard rush thru da checkpoint they just blast my car with rockets"
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAAH

>>723680420
no he encountered that ONE checkpoint, threw a tantrum, and quit, per >>723679407

>>723680430
>baby MAD
>baby pretend things that make him MAD didn't happen

>>723680420
Uh huh, I'm sure that's true. Let me guess, it's the one in the forest you have to drive through 20 times that I'm bitching about.

>>723679601
>Crazy that there are almost no games set in the Himalaya despite it being CRAZY beautiful and cool
That is pretty odd. The only other games that come to mind are Tomb Raider II and Uncharted 2.

>>723680489
It is not.

>>723680431
Yeah, it's so fun to have to get out and ambush guys every single time you want to go from one side of the map to the other. Great fucking game design.
>>723680485
You zoomers are pathetic. Your go to argument is calling the other person mad, as if that's even an insult.

>>723680489
You didn't drive through it 20 times.
You tried to retard ram through, died, threw a tantrum, and quit.
Remember?
Get your story straight, idiot.

All because you couldn't rub two braincells together and remember you had LEGS

>>723680551
>WAH BABY MAD BLAME ZOOMZOOM
>ME WANT BRAINLESS RUSH EVERYWHERE THINKING HARD
ooh he is REALLY making a big stinky now, folks.

>>723680527
Then you're the liar, not me.

This meltdown is great to read.

>>723680602
Why do you keep pretending to be some kind of expert about a game you say you dropped right away?

>>723675896 (OP)
they're all the same game with slightly different graphics
i didn't even finish 4 because it felt like i played it already

>>723676457
the technology in 5 brings it down to a 5/10 at best

>>723678882
map. buddy system. physics. weapon degradation. healing animations.

>>723680601
You think I didn't clear it the first several times I went through and got fed up that the guys were respawning every fucking time so then decided to ram it, you fucking moron? It's not fun to have to clear the same checkpoint repeatedly when you're just passing through. That's called bad game design. Imagine saying shit like "baby made a big stinky" and thinking your opinion deserves respect.

>>723680790
Yes, I do think that.
I think you didn't even try to play 5 because you don't even know how companion systems work.
You cried about not being able to drive through it again and again until WE brought up the idea of just ambushing them.
ONLY then did it enter into your bullshit.

You NEVER talked about how annoying it was to repeatedly clear the checkpoint.
You talked about it like it was impossible to get through because you couldn't drive through it.

>>723675896 (OP)
5 > 3 > 4 > all else shits the bed.

As for DLC though.. 4 > 5 > 3.

I can tell the baby is rereading his meltdowns about that checkpoint and trying to come up with a new lie.

I hate that the games are so formulaic. Ever since the success of 3, every Far Cry game HAS to have this le crazy villain main antagonist.

>>723681039
I liked 6's DLC but the base game was so ass
>dude help this non binary creatura or some shit

>>723681018
>You talked about it like it was impossible to get through because you couldn't drive through it.
No I didn't, you moron. Why would I mention respawning if I wasn't killing them in the first place, dipshit?

>>723681274
I was interested in what they did for 6's DLC but jbase game just looked dooky.

>>723681325
>"dude I kept talking about retard rushing and dying to rpgs"
>"uh, that meant I WAS killing them, not THEM killing me, btw"

yeah no you are completely retarded.

>>723682895
Show a single time I was bitching that it was too hard to do. It's not hard but it's a hassle when it's required to do every single time you want to move from one area to another. I've been consistent in my complaint that it's because of the infinite respawning and not the difficulty.

>>723683520
see
>>723679221
>>723679407
>>723679857
>>723680363
>>723680551
>>723680790

>>723683913
Not one of those was complaining about the game's difficulty, you stupid nigger. It's about the tedium. If you need to pad your playtime by respawning enemies all the time then I'm not wasting my time playing you. Respect my time or I'll find another game. Doing the same checkpoint for the 20th time is not fucking fun.

>>723684248
>WAH ITS TOO HARD
>no that doesn't mean its HARD
nobody gives a fuck beyond laughing at your meltdown
>r-respe-respect my time!
you encountered a challenge and coped over it being too hard compared to mindlessly rushing through everything

>>723675896 (OP)
because each of them were the same fucking thing so if you didn't really like that then you view them as worse despite them being the SAME GAME

>>723686348
It's not a challenge, though. It's easy enough to do. The problem is that it's required when all you want to do is go from one place to another. Doing it once or twice would be fine but every single time you want to go from one area to another? It's so fucking boring and time wasting. From my first post it was always about the fact they respawn indefinitely.

>Far Cry 2 is le hard
just use the sniper rifle like a normal person with an LMG for when you have to go loud

>>723686958
No one is saying it's hard, you dumb niggers. It's tedious. You feel like you're doing chores, not playing a game.

>>723675896 (OP)
They should bring back the monsters in the games. It's laughable only the first game had them and then all the other games just had humans as enemies

>>723676157
Based jackal

>>723678903
For honor had recycled asscreed kill animations

>>723687776
The first one was made by Crytek
They signed with EA after Far Cry and made Crysis, which was the spiritual successor to their Far Cry. Ubisoft's Far Cry actually began with Far Cry 2

>>723675896 (OP)
Wasn't there a lot of shit surrounding the game back in the day about the first group of baddies being (black) pirates and it somehow glorifying racism or something by killing strictly black enemies in the first part of the game. Even though it kinda makes sense of them being faux-Somalian Pirates. I think the series kinda died at FarCry3 for me as well. Although the original premise of the series was weird asf with mutated super soldier abominations and adrenaline packs.
I also like the strange mysticism surrounding this game, about ancient warriors and the potential call back to the super soldier serum in the first game.

>>723687776
I wonder if far cry 1 is still canon. It is weird that the series goes from crazy scientist wanting to create mutant monster to shithole gang leaders and dictators.

>>723691279
In FarCry3 wasn't there hints and lore bits about the Japanese secret bases trying to create a super soldier serum?

>>723681039
That speedrunning through viet cong dlc 5 has is great

>>723676916
>>Retards believing it would be le conservative murder sim
The only people I've seen calling it a "conservative murder sim" are conservatives themselves. Go be a fat, whiny faggot somewhere else, pablo.

>>723686858
>It's not a challenge, though. It's easy enough to do
>I just to bitch and moan about how unfair it is
>and how its bad design
>and only after I get shit on for melting down about how hard it is does it suddenly become easy
>I hate enemies respawning dude its boring
so you hate far cry 3 for respawning enemy patrols, huh?

>>723676457
It's about the same level, if not slightly worse

>>723689604
You're thinking of the second game which was set in Africa. It was both FC2 and Resident Evil 5 that made people upset because you were killing niggers and enforcing the stereotype of all nogs being mud hut shitflinging pirates.

IIRC it was drummed up during the genocide of White South African farmers.

>>723675896 (OP)
Because every subsequent game was just 3 but worse. I tried 5 and the story was painfully bad.

>>723676157
Far Cry 2 apologists must go.

I liked Far Cry Primal more than 4.

>>723691725
blood dragon was bretty gud

>>723678124
It's just that the bad far outweighed the good. I actually loved the setting and the fire physics were amazing. The game overall is just a horrible slog though.

>>723677168
Fuck off
4 has much better gameplay than 5

>>723675896 (OP)
Because 3 sold well so they decided to continue doing 3 over and over and over and over and over again

5's Vietnam dlc was better than the main game

>>723691532
The literal cover of the game is Joseph and his family portrayed like the Last Supper and the entire premise is him forming a stereotypical hyperconservative christian doomsday cult full of redneck hicks a la Westboro Baptist Church

>>723675896 (OP)
If you look at it objectively, 4 > all
It's just an improvement of 3 in every way besides the protag, thank the retarded fans for that

>>723692704
They should just gave up and make a Rambo and apocalypse now inspired Vietnam game from the get go. I'm tired of the wacky characters from 5 and sworr to never play any far cry game beyond that. Even far cry 4 is stupid, the main bad guy doesn't even want to kill you.

>>723693107
4 explicitly makes fun of 3's protag, the CIA agent from 3 calls him a trust fund SoCal college douche and says he liked working with Ajay more

>>723677423
6 is so shit and almost nothing like 3. It had this weird level shit and ammo type shit and most enemies became bullet sponges. Also they went even more cartoony with the "supremo" bs. Not to mention how retardedly woke the game was. I remember I played the game with a friend and we accidentally got the US ending and we joked the entire playthrough it was the canon ending

>>723694591
Did anyone even play 6? It was shilled here for a couple months before release but after it came out I saw literally nothing about it, I still don't know anything about the game other than that Gus Fring is the villain

>>723675896 (OP)
Blood Dragon was kino
All the good stuff from a Far Cry game condensed into just a few hours.

>>723694874
>No, doc, I swore an oath to my special lady
>"Your... Wife?"
>No, Lady Liberty. She told me that winners... Don't use drugs
Absolutely based and beyond kino

>>723675896 (OP)
>>723676457
red pill:

3 = 4 = 5 > 1 >> 2