Thread 723701801

Is VTMB2 the worst sequel of all time? It isn't just a bad game, it opposes everything that made the original good.

overwatch 2

VTMB is one of my favourite games and i'll be pirating VMTB2 day one just to see for myself how true your claim is.

>>723701801 (OP)
yep

Captcha:N1GgRe

>>723701801 (OP)
>it opposes everything that made the original good
Which was?

>>723701905
>VTMB is one of my favourite games
It's my favorite game, bar none.
I'll be buying NG4 and relying on /v/ to feed me VtMB"2" cringe webms and screenshots.

>>723701801 (OP)
Never played vtmb. I always thought that it was just a dumb coomer game but without qt anime girls
What have I been missing out?

Another thread?

>>723701986
>What have I been missing out?
Deus Ex with big titty vampire bitches.

>>723701935
Sexy
Good quests
Funny
Offensive
Focus on thinking rather than combat

>>723701986
Dues ex with vampires and (intentionally) funny

>>723701986
Bloodlines is much, much, much more a "Hey millennials! Remember these films from your childhood?" game than it is a coomer game. It's overflowing with pop culture references.

>>723702110
It references exactly zero films millennials watched as children.

>>723701801 (OP)
One of these days I'll play this game. I missed lot of the golden age PC games due to being a poorfaggot kid at the time.

>>723701986
>some of the best writing you can find in vidya
>its actually funny when it wants to be
>its also a pretty good horror game when it wants to
>dialogue options that actually matter

Fuck, now i want to replay it.

>>723702180
It's all references to 80s and 90s films. Those are films millennial watches as children.

>>723702237
>dialogue options that actually matter
They actually don't, but the game creates a good illusion to fool you into thinking they do.

>>723702237
I recommend it.
I went to the trouble of making a controller config so I could play on the TV, and it makes the combat actually fun.
Can't believe it took me 20 years to learn there's a special melee lunge attack if you attack while holding the back direction.

>>723701986
Really entertaining RPG with fun characters and a creepy world that makes you want to explore every facet of it. Supernatural monsters and secret societies are real, and now you are the latest lucky inductee into the vile shithole that is the World of Darkness.

>>723702294
>Fuck up Vivi's quests
>Tell her
>Won't talk to you anymore
>Won't give you a lapdance
Seems pretty meaningful to me

>>723702735
She doesn't actually give you a lapdance in the vanilla. That's something the mods changed.

>>723701986
if you are into vampires or vampires lore this is a must even for people not into videogames

>>723701935
>Which was?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIEIqrxfmHo

>>723702820
>Fuck up Jeanette's dialogues
>Don't get to fuck her
Pretty meaningful to me.

>>723701801 (OP)
it's not out until tomorrow. I try to avoid any hype or hate trains and just watch no-commentary livestreams before I buy and always set a steam refund timer.

>>723703081
Hate trains are ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e_RAsns1o8
What they took from you.

>>723703172
better than hype trains, but I saw how trannies reacted to hogwarts legacy and realized they're gay too.

>>723702309
I'm playing melee right now and didn't know that

>>723702735
If you're an asshole to Lacroix you don't get the downtown apartment.

>>723703432
Fox or Falco?

>>723703392
I'm not a tranny and I don't want to give subhuman companies the benefit of the doubt.

>>723703624
I never knew you could get a downtown apartment
I guess I never lick boot

>>723701986
Good question. I genuinely don't know if someone would still enjoy Bloodlines if they played it for the first time now. It's got pretty sharp writing, great voice acting and great atmosphere, plus a setting that does a lot of the heavy lifting. But the actual gameplay? Well, despite what people here tell you, it's nothing like Deus Ex for the most part.

>>723702734
Do you sell guns

>>723703718
>I genuinely don't know if someone would still enjoy Bloodlines if they played it for the first time now.
What a bizarre and worthless statement.
Everyone has to play it for a first time. What does it being right now have to do with it?

>>723703718
I'm playing it first time now and loving it. The combat is bad but so far it's less than 10% of the game and it's not horrible

>>723703718
My first playthrough was last month. I finished it and immediately started another playthrough. I beat the game 4 times.

It's gonna be great

>>723703718
>it's nothing like Deus Ex for the most part
It's extremely similar to Deus Ex in gameplay, actually.

Going to play VTMB1 for the first time. What are good classes for a new player? I like the look of of them all really, minus Gangrel and Bruja. Tremere appeals to me the most as I like playing mages but the others look appealing too in their own ways.

anon have you ever played a patch or a mod (probably not a mod) where the first time you exit santa monica apartment there's a scene with mercurio crawling up his stairs and jeanette standing nearby and crying? i think i had this scene the first time i played it a long time ago but ever since i've never seen jeanette there, what the fuck was that? i can't find shit about it

>>723704002
Tremere are fun. You also get the best hangout.
Nossies are also cool if only because of the various reactions people have upon seeing your ugly, Masquerade-breaching mug.
Malkavians are wacky as fuck, but the issue with them is they are reading ahead in the script and will spoil the game for you.

>>723704002
If the concept of Malkavian sounds at all interesting to you, the best way to experience it is on a first run because of what >>723704132 incorrectly indentifies as spoilers.
Most players aren't well-read enough to actually catch the spoilers as they're happening.
The reason Malkavian is best as a first playthrough instead of a followup is because:
>lightbulb moment > clap when I saw le reference

>>723704002
Noferatu are better for repeat playthroughs since it's much smoother when you already know what you're doing.
Malks are in a unique situation that you can only ever experience once since you can do them for a first playthrough and get to muddle through the joys and the predictions of the madness network in real time or you could do it on another playthrough so you can better understand what is being communicated instead.
Tremere start off slow until you get enough points to upgrade blood magic a few times, then it's laughably ez. They also get a unique questline which is very comfy.
Brujah and gangrel are fighty bois, not a huge amount of unique stuff compared to the last 3 which is a running theme for the rest of the clans.
I do not remember a damn thing about the Ventrue.
Toreador are ok.

>>723704132
>Malkavians are wacky as fuck, but the issue with them is they are reading ahead in the script and will spoil the game for you.
This has always been the most braindead take, since you have no idea what those things are.
It's repeated by idiots ad nauseum.

>>723704002
tremere are based

>>723704223
>>723704212
>>723704205
>>723704132
Malk are the least "safe" choice because you run the risk of making a mistake based on the altered dialogue. By definition, this makes them the most interesting choice for narrative.

>>723704132
>>723704205
>>723704212
>>723704225
Tremere it is the bros. I think I'll do another playthrough at some point for Nosferatu and Malk.

>>723704223
this
did the malk on my first run without knowing shit about vtm, all i got was bits and pieces and no idea wtf is going on, absolute kino and definitely the best choice for the first run i'd say

>>723704491
fair enough, enjoy the game

>>723704491
whatever you do, don't choose toreador
they are the worst clan in the game by, worse than gangrel by a far margin who are already an ocean away from the other clans.

Personally, I'd say go Malk, but just... don't go do Toreador. You'll burn yourself out on the game.

>>723704783
Toreador have a deadly combo of Celerity + Auspect. Give them a good gun and they will Matrix their way through every encounter.

>>723704783
What's wrong with Toreador?
gameplay-wise you just go for a firearms build with Celeraity, and you mediocre FPS game with Bullet time

If you're wondering why there's no one in this thread calling 2 an incoming cult classic, the resident shill is going insane falseflagging in the other thread

>>723705115
it's nice that he's sperging out somewhere else and we can actually talk about the game

It's unwise to call any game a cult classic until you've actually played it.

>>723705150
To be fair, I did enjoy mocking the idiocy of BL2 story.
But still, Bloodlines IP deserved better.

>>723704132
>Masquerade-breaching mug
I played the game for the first time a couple months ago (went Brujah) and the masquerade system seems silly. The game makes such a big deal out of it (I assume it's a game over if you run out of masks) but there isn't even any opportunity to do violations. I think I got one violation from making Heather a ghoul and then about 10 redemptions from doing quests
The only way I could ever break the masquerade would be to go on killing sprees in the middle of town I guess

>>723705223
The problem is that the only genuinely good VTM story is Swansong. Bloodlines 1 and 2 both have idiot plots that revolve around every single character being a gullible moron. They try to orient themselves around a mystery that a toddler could solve. Swansong's "The British are coming" plotline has actual intrigue, actual stakes.

>>723705289
To be fair, Bloodlines 1 is deliberately designed to be "baby's first VtM game" and as such it excels. It helps that the story doesn't take itself very seriously. It's exactly the kind of beer and pretzels plot that you'll come up with if you wish to introduce the newcomers into the setting.

>>723705289
>Swansong
is that the visual novel game?

I didn't cry, but I felt something. There's an almost anime-inspired quality to some of the storytelling. When you think about it, Fabien can protect Phyre from the sun for a few seconds because his soul shines brighter than the sun. He is everything good and sincere that kindred are capable of being wrapped into a discombobulated package.

>other thread 404s
>right back to this dogshit
Yeah

>>723705610
No, it's the other one. Whatever this genre is called.

>>723705610
no, the adventure game

>>723705657
A real return to form into a cult classic. A genre defining moment.

>>723705657
>Good and sincere that kindred can become

what the fuck is thing? Vampires in WoD are cursed parasites. The only good ones are those that throw themselves into the sun the daybreak after they are embraced,

>>723705657
The game sucks shit, fuck off with trying to praise these retarded characters.

>>723705232
it is a bit of a letdown same as humanity, though it's supposed to be the most important thing in the vtm setting
shame it still not fixed/enhanced by patches like wesp instead of adding in cut garbage like coffee shops

>>723705817
Humanity at least has a gameplay effect as it drops, from what I understand the masks only matter once you break your last one

>>723705776
Nah, the high humanity vampires are a thing. Aisling Sturbridge for instance is a very nice vampire, to the point she makes other Tremere uncomfortable. Granted, she's not that old for a vampire, but still.
Also, for such an ancient vampire, Cristoff Romuald is really nice - granted his humanity is being feueled by his love for his nun waifu, but he's a nice chap.

>>723705801
I posted that webm in a new thread and got banned for intentional spoilers kek
I didn't even realize it's the ending and revealing the big evil culprit or something

>>723705929
if you break a couple the hunters with torches spawn sometimes but not much else i think

>>723705801
is it x1,25 speed or something?
animations are like from sfm pootis shit or smth

>>723706027
Yeah it looks more normal if you play it at 0.5x speed. It's still shit, you can see the characters snap from one animation into the next like it's a $300 indie game, and the heads bobble with each word

>>723705956
Cristoff is a bit odd since he wasn't a Vampire for that long and then went into Tohpor for 600 years, so he kinda misses out on a lot of time to lose his humanity

>>723705929
Well, further Masquerade breaches cause more hunters to spawn and eventually Camarilla scourge starts showing up.
Also, you get so many fucking Humanity points, your PC is able to achieve Golconda several times over.

>>723705956
The rules for Requiem are all over the place considering you lower in generation as you level up.

>>723706027
>is it x1,25 speed or something
Oh look the shill said the thing.
https://files.catbox.moe/aky76o.mp4

>>723705801
>The *noun* is gone! Your *nouns* are gone!
>Garry's Mod character models proceed to clip into each other
>Mark of the Outsider from Dishonored disappears from lesbian's hand
kin... dred, I don't think this is it

>>723705657
A Ret4rn To Form indeed

>>723706158
It never was nor will it ever be. It is just another shitty cash grab this will be forgotten.

>>723706121
same as the Kuei-jin

>>723706158
Honestly, I have no idea how Phyre survived those 400 years without being dusted in the process, because holy fuck, he's such a guileable idiot.

>Is VTMB2 the worst sequel of all time?
No, by far.
There's defintely a Resident Evil that deserves that title more.
Not to mention Parasite Eve 3. Chrono Cross. Final Fantasy XVI. Yakuza 7. The Saints Row series. Dragon Age 2, Inquisition and Veilguard. Mass Effect 2, 3 and Andromeda (the perfect double trifecta of cascading disapointing sequels)...

>>723703743
No but for a limited time only you can buy some expensive nachos and get a free promotional gift.

>>723705801
Can anyone who watched the whole leak tell me where the fuck these characters are? Are they... on a roof? On a dam? What am I looking at?

>>723701801 (OP)
Do you think VTMB2 will work on my PC? Intel Core 2 Duo Win Vista Sapphire Radeon card

>>723706257
Its an idiot plot, a plot written by idiots that can only occur because all of the characters are like the writers.

>>723706284
on top of a high-rise building.

>>723702047
You have never played it

>>723706316
nah, these new games won't even bother to boot up on pc that are below minimal specs
they just autodetect your gpu isn't in the list and a dialogue window pops up saying you to fuck off

I had this mod when I first played the game back around 2010 that made the female toreador look like VV - by the end of the game she wasn't quite Bloodrayne but with the leather armor, katana and bullpup with maxed out Celerity, Presence, and Auspex might as well have been.

I think it went down with planet vampire years ago and I lost the harddrive that had it and every time I see these threads I feel the urge to go around as not Bloodrayne and kill everything again. But I just can't.

>>723706420
*telling

>>723701801 (OP)
thus my sins do pour out before me, for i have spilt my wickedness upon thy innocent bosom

I don't get how Fabian is still hanging around in Phyres head after getting diablerized.
Only incredibly strong, like 6th and lower generation vamps or particularly old ones actually hold onto anything after getting the death suck. Majority of vampires are just totally destroyed.
But Fabian is explicitly a younger and lower generation vampire compared to Phyre.

>>723706454
>Bloodrayne
Damn that's a blast right into the nostalgia
Gonna go replay those games

>>723706336
I'm playing it again rn

>>723706284
They're at the top of the Millenium Tower.

>>723706506
Higher generation.
Also, don't get me started on Fabien. This entire plot only works because everybody keeps forgetting about using the abilities they have in their possession.

>>723706510
I just miss it. Another issue I have is I can't remember which version of the unofficial patch or plus patch whatever it's called I played with back then. I'm assuming I might have just played with unofficial but I always find everything has been switched up location wise for me. Like last time I tried playing this the spooky mansion was actually able to do damage to me and I didn't like that since the joke was nothing in there was dangerous actually.

>>723706506
Because the story is shit written by retards. Any time you think of something dumb in this game remember that fact.

>>723706646
Anon, the door in the kitchen specifically opens when the player character takes damage (from the pots and pans flying at you)

>>723706506
In a better story with better characters it could work. I don't mind diablere, the act of eating another vampires soul, being an inconsistent mystical thing.

>>723706646
No, the mansion was always able to harm you, but the damage was so negligable it wasn't worth a bother, unless you deliberately allowed yourself to be squished by an elevator.

>>723706506
There is no correlation between generation and surviving in the head of your Diablerist. Ever since the originally optional rule was introduced in DSotBH and then became basically the norm, it's been about willpower.
It's just that the most well known examples in the narrative of the game are very low generation vampires that got a get out of jail free card (Mithras and Saulot).

Has there been a Chronicles of Darkness game yet?
Everything seems to be (Old) World of Darkness.

>>723706875
No. I don't think WW cared enough about video games back then.

>>723706910
>2011 onwards is "back then"

time... where did it go?

>>723706961
Forward, anon. Always forward.
While we were left behind.

>>723706875
Nope not even any of the cancelled projects like the CCP MMO were NWoD/CoD it always OWoD.

>>723702734
That's pretty awesome!

>>723706276
>Mass Effect 2 and 3
Anon they never made any sequels to Mass Effect, they simply couldn't follow up on the promise of having interconnected games where your choices effect the next game in major ways. Shame Bioware stopped making games altogether.

>>723707031
Shame. demon:the descent detective/adventure game could go reasonably stiff.

>>723702047
>Focus on thinking rather than combat
Where in VTMB do you need to think about anything?
It might aswell be a visual novel, the gameplay is ass

>>723702047
>Good quests
Yeah the amazing Asp Hole quest that breaks 80% of the time even with fan patches.

>>723707087
I could stand to live in your Marauder reality bubble.

>>723707150
>Where in VTMB do you need to think about anything?
I caught myself thinking a lot about VV's assets.

>>723707192
why use AI for this?

>>723707207
works on my machine

>>723701801 (OP)
Is VTMB2 out already?
I mean i have no doubt it's going to be incredibly janky and there's no chance i'm going to buy it, but why are people already making judgement calls before they had a chance to pirate and play it?

>>723707150
leglock feeding is all i need from gameplay tbqh

>>723707364
two more days

>>723707364
People got physical copies early and, because it's the thing to do, some posted their whole playthrough online.

>>723707364
Because we've all seen the gameplay. And so far we are only judging the story - that is completely retarded.

>>723701801 (OP)
I'm going to watch Kindred :The Embraced instead.

>>723707405
1 day and 5 hours actually

I'm not buying that shit.

>>723707449
that won't take long

>>723707472
>no weapon equipped

>>723707449
shame it got cancelled, it had the right vibe i think
and a fucking banger theme too

>>723707518
wrong
my dick is equiped in my right hand slot as we speak

>>723706316
Check out "can i run it" on gookle.

>>723707569
>doesn't even know the UI of the game he is pretending to like

>>723701801 (OP)
Impregnate

>>723707568
The lead actor died in a car crash, so I can see why the Network chose to cancel it

>>723707568
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjMYULNqvi0

>>723707694
>>723707449
Vampire kino is so rare

>>723707364
Because we know who made it.

>>723708004
Just finished a rewatch of Forever Knight, loved that so much back in the 90s. Can't think of any others.

>>723707261
I don't understand the question and I won't respond to it

>>723708152
It will probably not appeal to chuds because it has a gay vampire in it, but I think the recent adaption of Anne Rice's 'Interview with the Vampire' is very good

>>723702047
>VTMB
>offensive
taking potshots at republicans was more acceptable then than it is now

>>723708263
>Anne Rice
Twilight for 50 year old cat ladies instead of teenagers

>>723707518
I never caught that.

>>723708263
The original is superior.
Also, fuck you guys, Queen of the Damned was kino.

>>723708312
kek, very true. Still enjoyable in it's own way

Remember planescape torment 2? Yeah me neither

>>723708263
Is VTM not loosely based on this?

>>723708312
how so? it mostly has the same lore as vtm

>>723708429
There is no Planescape Torment 2.
Torment: Tides of Numenera is a "spiritual sequel" that doesn't even happen in the same setting. Also, while disappointing, I do think it had some redeeming qualities and moments. Your mileage may vary, I guess.

>>723708519
>loosely based
Dude, the book essentially reads like a VtM tabletop session.

I am surprised that nobody have yet released the remastered version of CQM with the new AI voices, because the AI is all the rage.
Because one downside of CQM is that even though the new VAs are trying, I can tell this guy voicing Andrei isn't Steve Blum.

>>723701935
good writing
good facial animations
having tabletop style character sheet building
being an rpg

>>723708263
>Black Louis

Nah. I'll stick with the books and movie.

>>723708519
VtM funnels a lot of varied sources (from folklore to Necroscope). Anne Rice certainly was a *huge* influence on V1 and cast a shadow on the game line, Toreador can attest to that, but also that idea of vampires as main characters crushed by the passing of time and the struggle for their humanity. But it wasn't the only influence, by far.

>the chinese room writes another god awful slopfest

god never saw that coming

>>723701986
story and world are amazing but the combat sucks ass. Even a million mods can't help the combat not being complete shit .

>>723708740
I'm more bothered by the character assassination of Claudia, and the time frame change that breaks too much in the world and character building.
They should have made their own storyline in the Chronicles of Vampires setting at that point.

First time players here.

Do i have to go out of my way to explore every place and talk to every single NPC to find sidequests or will the game naturally push me torwards them?
I dont want to read any guides, but i also dont want to find out later that i missed most of the game because i didnt find the right NPCs to talk to.

>>723708574
Tides of nu men kek

>>723708934
>Do i have to go out of my way to explore every place and talk to every single NPC to find sidequests or will the game naturally push me torwards them
Both, actually. Some sidequests are cleverly hidden and easily missable. Some are right in your face.

>>723701801 (OP)
And which is what? Game on release was bugged as fuck and borderline broken. Also ending sucked.

>>723708934
You'll have to explore on your own, which the game encourages you to do anyway. Some main quests will lead you to characters who have further quests for you to do, but you can't always count on that.

>>723704002
ventrue, make sure fortitude, guns and perception is maxed at mid game, not hard to do. invest in perception first so you can find hidden stuff then level whatever you want for flavor and extra stuff

>>723708181
For the love of Cain MOOORE

>>723708934
You won't be able to see /everything/ the game has to offer in one playthrough anyway.
Just explore as your heart dictates, have fun. Come back to it later with another clan to experiment if you think it was worth it.

I still need to do my yearly October replay. Not sure on what clan and ending to aim for this time. Always love Tremere + Strauss, and anything Toreador or Malkavian. Never play Nosferatu or Brujah for obvious reasons.

>>723708263
interview has the weakest story desu
the thing is you see, louis is a whiny faggot and misunderstood lestat completely
actual kino starts in lestat stories, and is actually where vtm lore stems from, i.e blood generations, origin of vampires, diablerie etc

*Cough*
Homeworld 3
*Wheeze*
The veilguard
*Wretch*

>>723709079
>Also ending sucked.
Fuck you, the ending was great, because it was a punchline to a great joke the game set up at the start.
Also, that Lacuna Coil drop in the credit.

>>723701858
its just the same shit with a different monetization model

>>723708181
I can tell this was trained on Margot Robbie. The LLM probably "thinks" it is Harley Quinn.

>>723708934
you will not see everything the first time through, the game was designed that way

>>723709171
>actual kino starts in lestat stories
that's why I'm looking forward to the new season as it's adapting the lestat stuff

>>723709171
Always found part of what makes the first two books interesting is that both Lestat and Louis are lying. Lestat openly so. Louis in more discrete ways. And it's interesting to try and confront the two versions of the story.

>>723709141
do a vampire terminator venture run. there's something fun about tossing on fortitude with at the end, being completey invincible and just walking around hosing everyone with your uzi. i find because venture only has to rely on fortitude for combat defense it opens you up to a lot more flavor skills. after literally 20 years of vtmb i think venture is my favorite clan now

>>723705657
See you vampire cowboy.

>>723708934
>hold my hand please I don't know what to do
just play it and relax jesus

>>723709141
Gangrel Mage

>>723709415
i'm such a nigger calling "ventrue" "venture" that many times

>>723709210
The best joke ending is when you ask that you want to see dancing wolf again. The main quest made me realize that I wasted my time for nothing and I feel like shit.

>>723709479
I would ventrue to say that mixing up two letters isn't that big a deal

Vampire is 75% about sexy goth chicks, if you don't have sexy goth bitches, what u even doing?

>>723709494
I actually went with the Camarilla ending the first time around and was satisfied.
Because that's the one ending where you fuck over everybody - LaCroix, Ming Xiao, Jack, the Anarchs, the Sabbat, you name it.

>>723705657
from now on if a game has either:
1-voice in your head
2-ticking time bomb plot

I'm skipping it, fuck hack writers!

>>723709781
If the game has a voiced protagonist AND a character creation menu, I skip it.

Except Mass Effect 1 because that shit is so cash

>>723709650
I remember that one post where it was
>how to design a setting
>your fetish
>your power fantasy
It really is that simple. Goth girls and Domination loss for me.

>>723709171
Based

>>723709881
Whoa that’s crazy for me it was killing randos with protean and listening to Animal I Have Become on repeat no wonder the first game tickled my prostate

I play for her

>>723708519
VTM has mages and vampires and different clans have magic power.

Anne Rich vampires are just normal vampires.

>>723701801 (OP)
Is VTMB2 as bad as /v/ makes it up to be or is it an okay sequel? Is it worth playing at least once?

>>723708263
you must either be a groid or a jew to shill this over the original Tom Cruise kino

>>723710094
Where have all of the sexy voice actresses gone? DeLisle, Strong, Futterman, Summer, Delaney… We live in the era of ASMR, but none of them top the greats…

>>723701801 (OP)
>it opposes everything that made the original good.
If that it's the starting point, then you have other candidates like thief 4, homeworld 3, baldur's gate 3 and deus ex 2.

>>723710050
Kino

>>723701801 (OP)
Why they thought they would succeed in hijacking a beloved IP's sequel, we will never know .Fuck Paradox for causing all of this.

>>723701801 (OP)
how do you know? it's not even out yet

>>723710172
you haven't read the books then
high gen vampires in ann rice lore are literally gods
psychic powers, levitation, telekenesis, you name it

>>723710259
You would better spend your time watching someone else play it since you yourself will never be immersed in this game.

>>723710308
You forgot about Fallout 3.

>>723710412
True but without 3 there never would have been NV, so… Machiavelli, eat your heart out, I guess.

>>723710050
Protean is so cool, I wish I could turn into a giant wolf.

>>723708263
is this where they made Claudia ugly?

>>723710308
Common misunderstanding. Thi4f is not a sequel to anything, despite the odd (even) number in the title.

>>723710380
Gen has nothing to do with it. Age is strength, not gen. And its not a clan thing.

>>723710462
We might have gotten Van Buren which could've been even better. Because Troika was literally one signature away from getting the IP rights.

>>723710545
It's both gen and age, with gen trumping age at some point since it allows you to get beyond level 5 stats.

>>723710545
It’s both A and B. Living longer means more time to get experience and raise attributes, abilities, and disciplines. Lower generation means more blood points and more dots to allocate XP into, which means more power. A short-lived 6th gen will be weaker than a long-loved 10th gen who has been proactive in their unlife, but the 6th gen will always have more potential than the 10th gen.

>>723710571
I am not going to pretend fighting an AI supercomputer in outer space would be more appropriate for Fallout’s setting than New Vegas, no matter which studio developed Van Buren.

>>723710475
I zozzled

>>723706316
It ran on a frickin P4 upon release. Of course, it'll run!

>>723710545
clans are purely a tabletop contrivance
and no age is not everything, the blood gets weaker with every embrace and there's a ton of diablerie in the books with young vampires gaining power of old vampires

>>723703624
There are other apartments?

>>723701801 (OP)
Is it available to play now? How do you know it's that bad?

>>723710889
If you are respectful to LaCroix he lets you live in the apartment complex in Downtown where one of the Anarch’s ghouls lives, NOT the fancy apartments nearby. Living there saves you a shit ton of travel time so you can more easily stay up to date on the news and current events.

>>723710889
Yeah. Tremere and Nosferatu get different apartments.
Because Tremere and Nosferatu really like to keep tabs on their own.

>>723710881
>clans are purely a tabletop contrivance
A weird statement. By that token so are age and generation. We're all arguing on tabletop norms here.

>>723710982
reviews, watching gameplay available online, the things the devs have said about the game

>>723711038
i was comparing ann rice lore and vtm
what i meant is, a lot of vampire abilities here and there are the same but they bundled in clans and defined for tabletop sake

>>723706318
I guess the BL2 story would've worked to an extent if Phyre was some new, greenhorn fledgeling that doesn't know how Jyhad works. But Phyre is supposed to be a 400-year old legend, yet he bumbles his way through the story like a dumbass.
Can you imagine Smiling Jack being this retarded? At this point you are supposed to be a player, not getting played.

>>723711184
Why did you earnestly reply to bait? Are you a retarded?

>>723711308
I'm compelled by my flaws

>>723711462
It is the blood of Caine that drives us.

>>723711504
Farewell, vampire.

>>723706027
Pedo-coded animation style.
It was initially just supposed to be quirky and childlike, but since most pedos are mentally still children who also consume children's cartoons they co-opted that style to everything.

>>723701801 (OP)
Therese is superior and I'm tired of pretending she isn't

>>723711639
She won’t fuck you.

>>723711732
Not with this attitude.

>>723711639
Therese in a Jeanette cosplay is best, you just need the mod

>>723711779
She dead fish’d when having playtime with her pop-pop and blew his brains out as he came in her ass.

>>723711639
This.

>>723709171
Having read the main trilogy, I think Interview and Lestat are just propaganda heavily biased in favor of each author. They're lying through their fangs on every page. Queen of the Damned shows them both in a more neutral light, and plays them both accurately. Louis is painfully boring, and Lestat is eccentric and foolish.

It has to be this way, because Lestat is so fucking 180'd on Lestat's character that it feels like Anne Rice was retconning him.

>>723711825
anon that's literally the worst of both worlds

>game about vampires
>arguably *the* most sexually charged creatures in modern mythology
>all of their origins in literature stem from sexual metaphor
>I know, let's make them all look like androgynous ugly butch dykes!

>>723701801 (OP)
Dawn of War 2. Then Dawn of War 3. Possibly Dawn of War 4.

I know you faggots read all the reviews and looked at all the gameplay leaks. Is it at least fun for 3 hours to run around shooting Tremere magic? If so, I will pirate it

If you don't mind being ugly, nosferatu truly is the best comfy clan with cool powers and a sense of camaraderie

>>723712121
bro you're salubri???

>>723712102
nah i stopped caring about the sequel once the first news started to come out, i'm only here to shitpost about the original game

>>723709210
>Lacuna Coil
are you gay?

>>723701801 (OP)
>Is VTMB2 the worst sequel of all time?
I don't know because the game isn't out yet, OP.

>>723712102
Not really. The combat gets repetitive very quickly and you only have like 4 abilities that never get any better.

>>723701801 (OP)
I don't know about the worst of all time. Fallout 76 was pretty bad.

>>723712074
Vampires literally cannot fuck. VTM vampires are corpses that have to use magical powers to pretend to breathe.

>>723712248
What is your problem with Lacuna Coil?

>>723712102
Gameplay is ass. Half of the game you play as Fabien, who got no powers and no gameplay to speak off, in a walking sim.

Even in the half of the game you actually got gameplay, the combat is very clunky, you can only use 4 powers with cooldown, there are only 4 boring copy pasted enemies, and it's as far as possible from being a cool power fantasy. Also the enemies levels with you so the combat keeps being a slog whatever you do.

Pirate it if you want, but don't expect anything fun

>>723712364
>VTM vampires are corpses that have to use magical powers to pretend to breathe.
they can use those same powers to pretend to fuck too

>>723712340
>and you only have like 4 abilities that never get any better
Uh
Did they forget to make it an RPG?

>>723711993
for sure, i think lestat even outright says in the beginning that the whole purpose of his book is to get back at louis
the louis's perspective though i like to imagine that comes mostly from his autism and inability to read thoughts more so than malice

>>723712364
>Vampires literally cannot fuck.
What are you talking about? Fucking is like all they do. What the hell else happens when the screen goes black?

>>723712364
>Vampires literally cannot fuck.
Not only is this somewhat incorrect, it's not even the point anon was making. Vampires look as alluring as possible to seduce and manipulate others. It's a tool for them just like their strength, their speed, their powers and their immortality. Of course, the Nosferatu in particular are an exception to this, but even they have a bit of an obsession with beauty (as in they like to turn especially vain people as a twisted form of righteousness). The vampire in itself can't ever be separated from its sexual origins, otherwise it wouldn't be a vampire. It's like trying to tell a story about ghosts but the ghosts aren't dead.

>>723712497
I'll wait for the overhaul mod

>>723712398
>Half of the game you play as Fabien, who got no powers and no gameplay to speak off, in a walking sim.
kek

>>723712364
>vampires literally cannot fuck.
They only need to spend one bloodpoint to get an erection. The problem is that their bodies don't produce any fluids anymore so a vampire pussy gets wet with blood and a vampire cock cums blood.

Also the euphoria from biting someone is better than fucking.

>>723701801 (OP)
I find it funny how quickly the shill threads stopped as soon as the reviews went up.

>>723712398
Are there any other examples of a dev taking a sequel and blatantly cutting out shit because they did not wanna make a sequel? And I don't mean "hurr durr the sequel is worse" shit, I mean the dev literally saying nope we're making a walking sim instead

>>723712729
There's a bit of a misunderstanding here. Vampires use their vitae to kickstart their "dead" organs again. They do produce (relatively) normal fluids during that time. Think about how many parts of their body simply wouldn't work otherwise, for example their eyeballs and their mouths.

>>723712074
yeah imagine an ugly vampire haha

>>723712924
Nosferatu was about vampirism in a different meaning: disease, plague, and social decay. They also didn't have the rights to Dracula, so they had to change things a lot. Murnau was also heavily into grotesque expressionism. Orlok is literally supposed to look like vermin.

>>723712837
Dunno if it counts but Thief 3 and Deus Ex Invisible War were complete shit because they had to be on the XBOX.

>>723712517
I think the most interesting thing about it is how it's one of those rare cases where a narrator in a fictional setting is being dishonest, and the author isn't telling you. A good example of show, don't tell, and it was nice.
I think Louis's issue is that he had no frame of reference for anything, including (especially including) Lestat's behavior, because Lestat didn't want to explain shit to Louis about vampirism, or how to be one other than the very basic rules. This left Louis to become a pariah in vampire society (what little there was) because of his lack of knowledge about the rules. Then we found out the source of said society (which is even funnier). Lestat was just a weird gay man with (Oedipus) mommy issues. Armand was a weird gay kid with daddy issues. Louis was just a stick in the mud, but maybe a lolicon. Claudia was an interesting character. I wish I hadn't stopped at Queen, because I want to see how much more batshit insane this series gets as it went on.

>>723713156
And fun fact, the classic "vampires are killed by sunlight" weakness actually comes from Nosferatu.
Murnau realized he has no idea how to kill off Orlok, so he pulled something out of his ass at the last second.
>sunlight? sure, that works.

>>723712924
Where did this thing that all supernatural creatures must have pointy ears come from? Seriously, even on normal vampires made from humans you can notice that shit in many adaptations.

>>723713403
It's not an asspull. Light stands in opposition to Orlok because light in german expressionism stands for order and goodness. Orlok is a metaphor for everything that people perceived as disgusting at the time, Murnau explicitly stated that Orlok is a homosexual and therefore fears the pure love of a woman in the film.
>>723713451
Like I said, he was supposed to look like literal vermin. You're supposed to associate him with rats.

>>723701935
Some of the best characters, character creation, and role playing, and atmosphere, ever done in a video game. There's very few games I can think of that has done it better.

>>723713451
>Where did this thing that all supernatural creatures must have pointy ears come from?
It's just a trope that has existed for a long time that is recognisable that something is supernatural for anyone not familiar with the content. Same thing now with pointy hats and broomsticks for witches

>>723701801 (OP)
Samefags
>>>/vr/12114016

>>723708181
>>723709240
>>723710094
She a male?

>>723713718
Tropes have an origin. In the case of witches it's because tall pointy hats are reminiscent of Judenhüte, which were the hats that jews were forced to wear so you can recognize them. Over time, tall pointy hats in general became associated with frauds, strangers and eventually witchcraft. The broomsticks stem from old folk traditions and fertility rituals, and their mundane use as a common household tool made it look even more magical when it's used to fly.

The origins of stuff like this is often much more interesting than people might think.

>>723713956
We can only hope

>>723701801 (OP)
There are worse sequels to various games.
However VTMB2 is in the top worst ones.

Seriously I think anything World of Darkness-related is just plain cursed and the only games they lucked out on was the OG Bloodlines and VTM: Redemption.

VTBM2 is an atrocity, Werewolf The Apocalypse: Earthblood is nothing like what it was supposed to be, the Wraith games are a miss (especially the one that requires oculus)...can't they fucking just give us a classic RPG where you have a team like in VTM:Redemption?

This is also why I don't trust anyone when at one point someone will try to make an Exalted video game.

>>723713380
it gets pretty insane yes, in the very next book after queen in fact, body theft through astral projection lol
i dropped it at the sixth book i think, the one about armand, stories got kinda boring and repetitive

>>723706506
>I don't get how Fabian is still hanging around in Phyres head after getting diablerized.
Safia was trying to resurrect Gideon to put his soul into Phyre's body. The Gardener is a weird fucked up version of Gideon. By having Phyre diablerize him, Gideon would be back. That's the whole point of the ritual carvings all over the body. It's to trap a soul inside. But Campbell caught wind of the mysterious box (shades of LaCroix), and decided he needed to open it. Except he compells Fabien to open it. Fabien, who is not feeling very well, goes schizo and decides that what he should do is cut himself and bleed all over Phyre's face. Which causes Phyre to wake up, kill him, diablerize him, and then murder Campbell.

>>723714389
>i dropped it at the sixth book i think, the one about armand, stories got kinda boring and repetitive
yeah that's the problem with book series that are longer than a trilogy I find. It gets boring

>>723714335
It's tough because Bloodlines 2 does have a much better story than the first game. If we're judging it based on the plot, on voice acting, on general writing quality, it's a lot better. If we're judging it on gameplay in isolation it's also a lot better. But it's not quite as cohesive. It feels thin. There are major sections of the game where you're practically speedrunning through these environments that were clearly originally intended for so much more. The church, for example, shows up in a single quest, yet it's so obviously meant for more.

>>723714542
>on voice acting, on general writing quality, it's a lot better
Nobody believes this, not even the shills themselves.

THPS5 still exists as far as fucking terrible sequels to a series go.

>>723714542
>voice acting
definitely a wrong point to make there shill, not many games can top vtmb VA

>>723714441
This sounds retarded

>>723701801 (OP)
Janny deleted the shill thread last night, are they finally cracking down on the shill

So there's an ingame letter from C. Beckett, whom I assume is this character.
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Cuthbert_Beckett

>>723716846
Yes, and? Is there a question? Becket is a recurring character since 2nd Edition V:TM

>>723716846
I really don't like them wanking the Player character so much

>>723714636
>>723714932
VTMB's voice acting is a mixed bag. Part of the problem is that the writing quality in general takes a huge dive after a certain point.

>>723717279
>VTMB's voice acting is a mixed bag.
It's really not, but that's okay, you're just being a retarded shill trying to downplay the catastrophe that is VtMB2.

>>723716846
>nomad
>them them they they
Stupid fucking troglodytes, even here tcr couldn't go a bit above the minimum and write he/she pronouns everyone would use. At least the mitsoda version planned to allow you that choice.

>>723706336
You have never played it

>>723717505
well they fired mitsoda because apparently he isn't woke enough for the modern left

>>723717505
Hes so ugly

>>723717630
Isn't he gay

>>723706316
Kek

Has the new damsel model been shown at all?

>>723717469
>It's really not
The voice acting in Chinatown is a cartoonish trash fire.

>>723717895
NOOOO THE KATANA CHICK DIDN'T CALL ME ONI SAN

>>723717895
Ah I see, you're just a retarded faggot then, not a shill. My bad.

Bloodlines 2 shill you lost, give up

>>723717818
what the fuck are those glasses bro

>>723717834
Here you go bro
https://litter.catbox.moe/d4frzm6xd0vhzp4p.mp4

>>723717895
Because they hired Chinese and Japanese actors instead of just getting John Galt to do a funny Accent most of the time

>>723710475
I did kek.

But the dude could have put a diamond up his ass, very unlikely but he could.

>>723717834
Yes. But she really only has a cameo role in the game. I was hoping for something more substantial. A lot of aspects of the game are like this. Characters turn up for 1-2 scenes and are never seen again.
https://youtu.be/asQTmtFwL84?si=xoYed_BE9wZv4rFE&t=41725
Interestingly, the location where you go to talk to the anarchs and Damsel takes a shot at you is recycled from the Hardsuit 2019 Slugg mission.

>>723701905
don't even waste your time on it

>>723718042
Middle aged black woman glasses.

>the shill found out about the comfy VTMB thread and already ruined it

Is this going to be like Dragons Dogma 2 and we will never be able to talk about the original game again?

>>723718073
big... ola...
eeeugh

>>723718138
>Interestingly, the location where you go to talk to the anarchs and Damsel takes a shot at you is recycled from the Hardsuit 2019 Slugg mission.
I will say that the environmental design across the game is absolutely fucking incredible.

>>723718206
The shill will be gone by the end of month

>>723718206
He did all the way back here >>723705657

I'd just like to mention that when the shill was falseflagging in the other thread, he completely ignored any mentions of him being Polish so I assume he's a bit embarassed he accidentally posted a Polish filename one time

>>723718363
And they'll be replaced by a shcizo posting steam charts and the same 5 webms over and over, every single thread.

>>723705657
TCR really jerks themselves off...

>>723718301
get those peepers checked dog, it looks like shit.

this is the average vampire player

>>723718557
Would

>>723718557
would embrace

>>723718570
lyl

>>723701801 (OP)
Sequel by different devs doesn't count.

>>723717243
I have a feeling TCR wanted make Phyre the coolest shit since the sliced bread. But it doesn't land, because Phyre is such a doofus. It comes off more as shilling than anything.
My BL1 fledging was million times cooler than Phyre, no matter how hard TCR is wanking him.

>>723705657
put this quote on a steam page, I feel euphoric already

>>723718817
>I have a feeling TCR wanted make Phyre the coolest shit since the sliced bread.
should have gone with a better name then

>>723718439
As a fellow Polish VtM enthusiast, I apologise for the shill. He's an outlier and shall be dealt with.

>>723718570
You may not like it, but this is what peak vampire performance looks like.

>>723718817
They absolutely did. Phyre's one of the writer's personal OC.

>>723718817
Your fledgling went from being spooked by a ghost to killing a Chinky demon and committing one of the largest terrorist attacks in Los Angeles single-handedly. You became a badass. B2 expects you to think Phyre is a badass out the gate, but then breaks immersion by making such a badass not solve the story in 5 minutes.

>>723717243
It feels hollow because all of the Nomad's reputation was created offscreen with the player not doing anything to earn it. Both "Nomad" and "Phyre" are names the character came up with offscreen again with no input from the player. It's like someone telling me their fanfic character is really awesome and how I should play as them. It doesn't work.

>>723718513
Nah, the environments are really nice.

>>723718439
Polish filename? You mean the youtube video screenshot I posted where Outstar was giving a presentation in Poland about VTMB2 and comparing it to BioShock and Dishonored?

>>723719204
>purple

>>723718817
Bet a lot of the writer staff started out as fanfic writers in 2000s. Those can't help themselves, but make supporting cast slobber over MC at every turn.

>>723719204
go back to cleaning English toilets, jan

>>723719106
And then you actually get to play as him and turns out he can't put his money where his mouth is. So, he's PHYSICALLY strong, but every dumb Gangrel shovelhead can rip people in two, this doesn't make you cool. I expect my 400-year-old vampire to be a skilled Jyhad player and a mastermind that plays every faction like puppets. In other words, I expect them to be like the Courier in New Vegas, just in case somebody tells me it's impossible to pull off in a videogame.
And Phyre is a total moron that can't solve a problem that's in front of him.

25 hours to go until the Steam score tanks because they didn't fucking fix the performance issues the dumb fucks.

>>723719294
I don't know what the fuck Outstar is, Polack

>>723719204
>I want a contrasting color scheme and striking lighting
>but fill it with anti-soul gas and make everything look as plastic as possible

>>723719439
It's a UE5 game right?
Performance will always suck

>>723718439
Can confirm, I was the Anon who shill replied to, filename was polish, another anon called him out right in the next post and the guy never acknowledged that kek

>>723719439
Every single new game has people crying about performance now so I just assume they're kids on a laptop whining they don't get as much performance as the streamer they watched. I don't know what else explains it. I don't play many AAA games so idk

>>723719757
Was it this screenshot? I can't keep track of what I post and don't post.

>>723719736
Still Wakes the Deep performed really well. 60fps consoles. Demanding on PC, but with no stuttering issues. VTMB2 has SIGNIFICANT performance issues on consoles in both performance and quality modes. I heard PC has issues but they're possibly more managable. It's not STALKER 2 levels of bad, but it's so strange to see.

>>723719204
Everything on screen reminds me of that gay game that's kinda like Skyrim that came out with the gay skeleton on the cover. I forgot the name.
Also, what happened to the cool UI ?! Where's the blood meter and all that??

>>723720042
Avowed?

>>723720042
avowed?

>>723719876
>I don't play many AAA games so idk
then why weigh in at all if you don't actually know what you're talking about

>>723720078
Yes.
>>723720085
No.

>>723719876
Every new game uses Indians that think more triangles equals a better game and compression is bad because their 100,000 triangle sandwich will look like shit when that happens.

>>723720042
>cool UI
it's 2025, we only have diamond shapes and flat white here. Everything else isn't Best Practice(tm) trust me I have a very real and expensive degree in User Experience(tm)

>>723720042
>>723720078
Tainted Grail Fall of Avalon. A game where you have King Arthur's soul trapped in your head. Sound familiar?

>>723719907
Yes that's the one. There was a dumb post about Bioshock being the biggest influence of its generation or something and that VTMB2 will be just like that.

Outstar claims that the ending choices are influenced by the sidequests you do. So it's infuriating to see literally every online walkthrough do ZERO FUCKING SIDEQUESTS.

/v/ros I failed my frenzy check.
I'm going into a Bloodlines 2 frenzy.
I *need* to play Bloodlines 2!

>>723720471
apparently the sidequests are universally fucking awful

>>723701858
Stadium is unironically good though

>>723720471
the sidequests are apparently fetch quests so i'm not surprised nobody bothers
anyway i already know i'd get the everyone dies ending because i sure as fuck am not embracing a hunter leader

So, let me get this staight. You can roll the Lasombra Phyre. The game actually acknowleges that they used to be a part of Sabbat.
And in the end, Phyre cannot rejoin the Sabbat because reasons.
Explain yourself, game.

>they made an rpg where your ending is locked by how much optional content you do
Did we learn NOTHING from Ass Reject 2’s Suicide Mission??

>>723718439
Are you the autist who kept arguing with random anons for hours after I went to sleep? Tsk. Tsk. What a naughty boy.

>>723720613
A lot of the sidequests are literally being a delivery guy or scrubbing supernatural graffiti on buildings. Totally something an elder vampire would be doing

>>723720562
>>723720613
I don't quite get that complaint. Terminator: Resistance had sidequests where they were all "go fetch a thing for me" quests and I assume everyone did those. It's possible the game suffers from Mafia 3-style sidequest overload where there's too many of them spread across the story, but I feel like a game where you play a superpowered vampire giving you a quest like "Go kill this target and try not to be spotted" is an opportunity for fun, not a chore. I guess I need to see how these sidequests actually play out to get a feel for if they're bad or not.

>>723720832
I think the issue is compared to the original Bloodlines, the sidequests are rather dry and lack character

>>723720042
>what happened to the cool UI ?!
Phones and web UI/UX since around 2010. Everyone goes for super minimalist shit following phone trends and readability at a glance. Most current professionals in that field studied in the universities at that time, soaked up all those principles, did a couple webapp projects and then got hired into gamedev. None of them can draw or actual artists btw
Source: graphic design degree in 2011 after years of academic arts

>>723720804
>A lot of the sidequests are literally being a delivery guy or scrubbing supernatural graffiti on buildings. Totally something an elder vampire would be doing
The game seems inspired by Mirror's Edge, so "please go deliver a package" is exactly the sort of quest that I'd enjoy. Dunno about graffiti, though.

What's interesting to me is that it feels like they took sidequests and made them main quests. For example, Tolly sends you to investigate Onda, Silky, and one of the other characters. This is a main story quest during a Fabien flashback. That's the sort of thing you'd expect to be an optional quest chain. It's like they shunted all the conventional sidequests into the critical path.

Rock Paper Shotgun (shadow of its former self, but still) dropped its review.
This, is the real killer for me:
> A cursory attempt to yank the story off the rails by picking every antisocial, confrontational dialogue option resulted in the plot following the exact same trajectory, with somewhat snippier interactions with the cast and a few new lines of incidental dialogue based on clan choice.
We'll see tomorrow, but I'm bracing for impact.

>>723720946
I thought it was because it’s easier to use the defaults/presets provided by a game engine, who’d a thunk?

>>723720913
not enough character for you?

>>723720658
There's the obvious shill, who is probably laughing while he keeps posting trailer screenshots, and he always says VTMB2 is very "anime" for some reason. And there's this autist who's so deep into anti-shilling he's goes back into being detrimental because he attacks everyone. Say were you a little sarcastic? The anti-shill doesn't understand humor (because of autism), he'll believe you are being literal and attack you. Hell, you don't even need to do anything, the idiot can't read half the posts he's replying you if you're praising the first game he'll delude himself into thinking you're praising the second game. He's a mentally ill schizoid that has been shitting up the threads as much as the shill has. Two sides of the same coin really.

>>723721019
The inability to NOT work for the camarilla is a major problem. The original had this problem, too, but it feels more overt here because you're an elder and frankly the excuses for you putting up with this shit are so much thinner.

>>723703718
I enjoyed VTMB the most when I started out by using the console to max my skill points. I want to see all the fun dialogue options, not worry about the dogshit combat. I genuinely recommend people play it that way.

>>723718439
Are you "anti-shill"?

>>723721078
Oddly, they have an equivalent of the Pisha quest (sorta) in that you can send the goth chick to Lou where she will probably end up dead, or warn her off. A heavily softballed version, though.

>>723704364
>reading Malk dialogue
>his schizo babble makes it impossible to tell if I'm insulting someone or just being quirky
Thankfully it never really matters since any situation where not being an asshole would matter is laughably unfinished like the Giovanni mansion

>>723721228
Yeah, especially since your Phyre can be an Assamite or a FUCKING LASOMBRA. There is no reason for them to even work for the Camarilla.
They really haven't throught this story through.

>>723721298
Isn't Pisha's sidequest collecting random magical junk for her and she gives you useful magic items in return

>>723721078
The game doesn't even have any other supernatural entities.
No ghosts, werewolves, gargoyles or literally anything. It's actually baffling how long it took them to shit out this linear turd with next to no content or replayability.

>>723721228
In the first game there are three solid reasons to work with the Camarilla regardless of you wanting to go Anarch/Sabbat/Autarcky:
1) LaCroix needs you to die without him directly holding the knife and will dominate you into going into seemingly safe but actually incredibly dangerous settings to do so
2) Damsel wants a man on the inside to have relevant and immediate high-level information about what the Cammies are plotting so the Anarchs can prepare and respond
3) Jack knows the Sabbat will want that sarcophagus, so the best way to keep tabs on it is to let LaCroix have it since he can’t open it without the key

Three reasonable answers for why youre stuck working for the Camarilla.

>>723721554
i feel bad for the non left wingers who live there :(

>>723721204
>There's the obvious shill, who is probably laughing while he keeps posting trailer screenshots, and he always says VTMB2 is very "anime" for some reason
It's a game where you fight a Toreador with a sword in a nightclub surrounded by entranced patrons as electronic beats backed by female sighs play over a lighting scheme I could only describe as "sissy hypno".

So it's a little bit anime, I guess.

>>723705610
more a disco-ish crpg
>>723705289
>>723705441
Swansong is independently decent but I think as far a holistic experience Bloodlines 1 handles it the best. The story is basically an extremely elaborate prank that all the actors had basically hope of understanding before it happened. It was silly at times but LaCroix was acting believably like a gullible moron clinging onto his only hope after he got set up for failure by the Camarilla

>>723721004
>>723720832
>Terminator
>Mirrors Edge
good gameplay
>VtMB"2"
shit gameplay

That's why the side quests in the above rock, and in the latter - suck.

>>723721431
getting into the hospital is a sidequest by itself and it's far from boring

>>723721019
It's actually a surprisingly positive review overall, and they emphasize that the story was compelling enough to carry the whole package.

I guess if they can patch the sidequests to maybe reduce the number of make them feel less like busywork that would definitely help.

>>723721405
I know Lasombra went to work for the Camarilla recently in v5. Something stupid because the Sabbat no longer exists, right? Why would Lasombra Phyre be so willing to cooperate with the Camarilla if more likely than not he should've been with the Sabbat a hundred years ago.

>>723704002
Toreador have the easiest time on first play through. Celerity is op and auspex buffs perception which buffs firearms. You can spend the rest of your xp focusing on meeting the minimums for books locks hacking persuasion etc. Good for maxing the available content in one play through. Go for Nos or Malk (or whatever) on a later replay.

>>723721839
That's the thing. VTMB2's gameplay is generally quite good. The movement is good. The jumping and climbing is good. The abilities are good. The punching is good. It just feels like it spreads itself too thin.

>>723722037
lol

>>723721839
Terminator had significant gameplay issues originally. They released a huge patch that completely rebalanced it and redid the AI and also changed the colour grading to look more like Salvation.

>>723721546
>The game doesn't even have any other supernatural entities.
>No ghosts, werewolves, gargoyles or literally anything
is that a V5 thing I wonder

>>723722037
>The movement is good. The jumping and climbing is good. The abilities are good. The punching is good.
All of these look floaty and weightless, so no, not really good.

>>723722178
>game made in one year in 2004 has better area, enemy, character, build, gameplay variety than a game made 20 years later
many such cases

>>723722178
No they're in V5, game is just shit. W:tA even has a v5 version and Swansong had Garou in it. Even in v5 the game still has mages, wraiths, mummies, demons, the whole thing just no PC splat books

>>723712094
Dawn of War 2 was a great game. Very different from 1, and poor as a sequel, but still a great game. 3 was ass. Go watch some dev interviews about 4, they seem like they know what they're doing and are all in on making a proper sequel to DoW1.

>>723722178
There's a werewolf in Swansong, which is v5.

>>723721905
Definitely, but then most every positive they attach to the game come with caveats, and I'm very wary that they enjoyed Still Wakes the Deep, while I found perfectly uninteresting /as a game/.
Still, the point they raise is alarming to me. Could forgive a lot for varied interactions.
Granted I know of two people thatahave finished the game, and one got a boss the other didn't, so maybe the game is being too subtle and consequences come later than sooner, so many didn't notice.
Again, we'll see tomorrow. Last day of waiting.

>>723721989
>Why would Lasombra Phyre be so willing to cooperate with the Camarilla if more likely than not he should've been with the Sabbat a hundred years ago.
That's an excellent question. Because if the story made any sense, the Sabbat Lasombra elder waking up from the torpor would be such gifted horse gift for Safia, she would most likely reconsider her priorities.
And I am being generous and won't ask an obvious question as to why the Sabbat, that apprently hides under every rock in Seattle never managed to awaken this powerful Lasombra Elder?

>>723721989
>why does Phyre so willingly cooperate with the Camarilla
Bad writing + Fabien
>something stupid like the Sabbat no longer exists
That and they also had a disagreement in leadership with the Tzimisce who for some reason stayed Sabbat-ish but they're just an independent bad guy clan like the Giovan- excuse me, the "Hecata"

>>723722227
How they look is irrelevant compared to how they feel, which is great.

wait this shit is actually releasing
how bad is it

>>723722037
No, it looks amateurish and basic. I can see unreal blueprints and other premade solutions in every other action. Shit feels and looks floaty, no real weight to it, cut corners everywhere, magnetized animations, hueg hitboxes etc. Garbage

>>723722291
Shame W5 lore sucks

>>723721905
>>723722338
The side quests are just fundamentally uninteresting, there's no actual unique gameplay behind them unlike the first game having a lot of different interesting scenarios like missing persons cases or the mafia problem

>>723706067
>the heads bobble
saar...

>>723722431
So far, the story is a complete fucking nonsense that only works if you don't ask any questions.

>>723722459
Vampire 5 lore sucks too, sad thing is Mage is next on the chopping block

>>723722431
A complete trashphyre

>>723722507
Even a simple breaking, entering, and vandalism quest at least explains the story of Caine in the lore of the world. It does SOMETHING narratively.

>>723701986
despite its shortcomings, voluntarily sabotaging by valve, activision stopping fleshed-out development mid-game, the best rpg of all time. Even better than the developers' former games like fallout.

>>723702047
at least they kept the 'offensive' part lol

>>723722431
If your expectations and interest are at minimum you won't get mad at it, but most likely be bored in <10 hours.

>>723722573
Paradox will sell the IP before WW gets to Mage

>>723722178
>you now remember all the anon cope about wolves at the park meaning a werewolf mission
Probably going to be DLC any sort of non-vampire interaction as it'd have to be independent of the story. Shit like Werewolves, Ghosts/Wraiths, Mages. the PC should somewhat be a match for a Garou so it would make sense

>>723721989
/Some/ Lasombra did. The extent of which is left to the appreciation of the players. The edition has been very noncommital on some aspect, this being one.
The Lasombra defection was a plot point in a Chicago by Night V5 scenario. The deal can be altered significantly from one campaign to another. So far the edition hasn't decied on a definitive version.

There are ways to accomodate mostly every clan to the Bloodlines 2 set up, I would say, the question being; were they put in use? (Sorry Salubri anon, that ne will remain a dfficult sale, whatever happens.)

Hey, Paradox-san, is Stellaris still borked after 4.0?

>>723722391
the fuck are you talking about? the "feel" is an input-response thing, do you play games blindfolded?

>>723722930
>boot up the game
>BOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW

>>723722741
>>723722431
>>723722552
Basically, story-wise it beats the original game like a red-headed stepchild. But gameplay-wise? Like, the combat also beats the original like a red-headed stepchild. But outside the combat, things get messier.

It's been ages since I recorded some gameplay. What's a good lightweight solution nowadays? I just want decent output that isn't a resource hog or bloatware.

I always open VTMB2 threads only to post
HOOOLY HYPE BROTHERS

>>723722890
>Paradox sell the IP any time soon BEFORE the DLC comes out
>W5 came out 2023
I think they have one more terrible book left in them before they look to sell of WW to someone that'll also misunderstand the IP like Wizards

>>723722573
The peopple working on these books now are some of the most insane woke minded people I've seen, Mage is going to get hit hard.

>>723722930
you've posted couple of version of this in recent threads, use another set of bait pics pls

>>723723092
also depends on who they sell the IP to

>>723722960
Lasombra were also more like the leaders behind the Sabbat than active Sabbat members so it's probably not nearly as big of a deal as an active crazy Sabbat guy

>>723722930
russian proofs memes are my favourite memes and I literally don't even know why

>>723722642
it was good for its time but take off the nostalgia goggles

>>723723146
>that post on /wodg/ about their rendition of a M5 release
>everyone is a Marauder
>traditions and spheres are the same thing
>nephandi don't exist anymore
It was so retarded I could believe it

>>723723047
Basically this! But only if you are retard autist without brain

>>723720140
>>723720210
I liked Tainted Grail.

>>723723146
WoD is just a cursed IP at this point man.
The whole homosexual program thing.
Beast being a abuser apologist/empowerment game only to find out the lead writer touches kids.
Whatever the fuck is going on with the 30 VN's released every month

>>723723149
hmm

>>723723047
>Basically, story-wise it beats the original game like a red-headed stepchild.
I will fucking stab you.

>>723723284
Same. Arthur is a big guy

>>723723157
Who would even be interested in buying the actual wod IP in a sell-off?
Activision wouldn't be interested in it, I don't see Valve buying it, what's left?
Embracer? EA? Ubi? I doubt Onyx Path will be able to buy it but even then I have my doubts it'll be any good if they do

>>723723261
I would have thought Mage is too much of a power fantasy for the current batch of WW writers

>>723723356
My money's on CDPR.

>>723723442
They are do or die with Witcher 4 rn.

>>723723285
>30 vn's released every month
Choice of Games have a budget of like 5 dollars and it shows, the other VN that have production value behind them are relatively rare but they usually have mediocre writing. Cursed IP indeed

>>723723442
Not this this discussion again.

>>723706875
A quick glance of Chronicles lore and in my opinion what the fuck this is so shitty and gay and a straight up worse setting. The Age of Sigmar of WoD.

>>723723356
I could see Embracer or at least Asmodai part of Embracer seeing some interest in it as for other company im really not sure Microsoft might want it if only to rerelease VtMB again in some shitty remake

>>723721245
Naw I was the guy who brought up the Polish thing last thread. The supposed anti-shill was the one who angrily called me a samefag because I was supposedly the same one he'd been arguing with for hours. Most obvious falseflagging

>>723723442
>CDPR buying an IP to work on after they bled talent and while they work on two games at the same time (CP2 and W4)
Interesting idea but I would hope CDPR learned a few lessons from the CP release to not spread themselves like that

>>723723047
>story
>combat
are already down the drain, read your shill book faggot and adapt

>>723723578
Demon is cool but it brings down the rest of the setting by adding a nebulous super baddy.

So when's the we're never getting anything ever again are we

>>723723436
Even Hunter was a power fantasy and look how that turned out, the only splat I see being done justice in v5 is Wraith with half of wraith being just sad ghosts ghosting

>>723723318
The original game doesn't have a very good plot. People just like the characters. You're gonna see this as a strong consensus from tomorrow. That the story 2 tells is a better, more interesting story.

>>723723578
Vigil and Requiem were decently popular, Chronicles working as a low power more horror-skewed line was a decent idea I think

>>723723738
Bro bloodlines 1 is a mystery story. The characters ARE the plot.

>>723723716
Best you can pray for is indies, VN sloppa, and an occasional VR title that's actually entirely decent but it's VR so unplayable for most anons

>>723723436
I might be a minority these days but: to me, the "it" of Mage is that it's a game about belief. It's a game about defining the beliefs of your character, taking them to the absurd if needed, and then living with the consequences.
Trouble right now is that people, regardless of their own beliefs, can't stand alterity anymore. Can't fathom trying to get into the mindset of someone perfectly different, especially when it contradicts them.
Add to that the - for lack of a better description - performative, market-based use of language that posits saying something is making it happen in some ways we're suffering from right now, and you have a recipe for disaster.
Can't have Mage be what it's supposed to be bout in current times. The game will be torn to pieces by all sides of the debate.

>>723723723
The original Hunter: The Reckoning wasn't a Power Fantasy at all, rules-wise, since the Imbued wern't really that m,such more powerful than baseline humans and only got a bit better than monsters at level 5 which players only got to at the end of the game

>>723723932
you could probably just make that

>>723723932
What the fuck are you talking about?
you mean for Bloodlines 1, where that already exists and the menu theme is just Angel with some more guitar.
Or do you mean for Bloodlines 2 which isn't even out yet and can't be modded as a result?

>>723718557
I've been watching her channel for years, she is like if Styxhexenhammer666 was female and not a lolcow.
She worships Satan as her supreme God, but she is all around a pagan

>>723724005
>getting a supernatural call and sort of some super powers to hunt dangerous and unpredictable monsters isn't a power fantasy
It's not one of those insane power fantasies like Mages but I think Hunter matched the appeal of something like Monster Hunter quite well

>>723724045
i thought that was a man ngl

>>723701801 (OP)
It's not out yet. Reviews are all over the place. It's almost certainly not a worthy sequel, but the worst of all time? Doubtful.

>>723723738
>see this as a strong consensus from tomorrow
>story 2 tells is a better, more interesting story
Are you multitasking? Focus on your main job, please.

>>723723738
My fear , From Still Wakes the Deep, is that TCR doesn't understand the medium.
So, yes, we may end up with a better story... writen for another, linear medium, and basically ignoring all that makes video game storytelling unique and worthwhile.

>>723723996
The "it" for mage is turning a 1986 cadillac into a private portal to your pleasure palace and blowing the heads smooth off anyone trying to get in to stop the paradox from frying your shit if a normie ever beheld the majesty of the pump plaza.

How do i get a job shilling games on 4chan?
Show me the way and i'll buy your game

>>723710462
New Vegas is borderline identical to 3 in more ways than not even if you're not being especially reductive and is less like the first two games than 3 is in several areas, like its almost total absence of random encounters (with what few there are often being limited to the same handful of spots) and the effect this has on how you navigate the world. The idea that New Vegas is notably closer to the first two in ethos or quality than 3 is, to an extent where it would be worth it and 3 would simultaneously be "one of the worst sequels of all time," doesn't have much basis other than that enough people (many of whom probably haven't played any Fallout games at all) have parroted those sentiments before.

>>723710571
Van Buren was being ruthlessly shat on during development by the same kinds of people who hate Fallout 3 for comparable reasons to the point that you can still find (very old) forum posts of Josh Sawyer arguing with them online about its right to exist and justifying its design decisions veering in a different direction. Nobody who isn't content with the direction the franchise has gone in would've been appeased by it being released in 3's place, not least because the overwhelming majority of people with that stance wouldn't be aware of Fallout at all if not for 3 introducing them to it.

>>723724367
you can't

>>723723738
>You're gonna see this as a strong consensus from tomorrow
where? at a pdox shill staff meeting?

>>723724262
most of the game lines to match up decently with some odd ones out, like Changeling

>>723724384
Someone clearly can

Even if its just dishonored with vampires i'll still check it out. I liked dishonored.
Im not paying for it though.

>>723723932
>https://youtu.be/4e_RAsns1o8
Bloodlines 2 actually has it's own main theme (which is obviously a play on the old bl theme), done by Schaffer, but they didn't use it at all

>>723724438
Yeah, if only it was "just dishonored", they couldn't manage to do even that

>>723724450
HAD it's own theme.
Then they threw out all the music Schaffer did for their in-house composer which with what we've heard so far is such a monumental fuck up that it's almost divine in origin.

>>723707150
>It might aswell be a visual novel, the gameplay is ass
It isn't. The gameplay is, at worst, serviceable. It can be downright fun depending on the build. I'm tired of seeing this meme, which I assume is mostly spread by people who haven't played it

>>723724315
I did forewarn.

>>723724367
They'll never tell, shills are scared to loose their job. Regular anons itt are way better at arguing and insults, can easily replace them.

>>723702734
cool pic anon

>>723702294
Well, you can lock yourself out of endings hours before they happen, depending on your choices

>>723723738
Execution matters more than the concept.

>>723724620
>activate Celery
>pummel enemies with a katana
I had fun

>>723704002
toreador or ventrue, invest in persuasion and seduction (in lesser measure, for fun)
since it's your first playthrough perception can be useful

>>723718883
kek that gif
>watch the movie at my local theatre with a homie
>scene in the gif happens
>friend goes "wtf was that"
>i reply; "He came"
>both laugh like maniac while middle aged women in the theatre weep

>>723703718
>Well, despite what people here tell you, it's nothing like Deus Ex for the most part.
Its combat is leaps and bounds better than Deus Ex 1

>>723724257
>the devs that did Machine for Pigs don't understand the medium
Say it ain't so

Redemption was better

>>723705657
the original game would make fun of this crappy writing

>>723724821
>Celery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad8XLwuYxpk

>>723724526
>they couldn't manage to do even that
People around here seem to have a weird misconception of just how hard it is to do what Arkane does when at its best. Very few studio in the history of the medium could pull it off.

>>723705801

The aesthetic feels like a weird mixture of DmC and Pathologic 2 ran through a 480p filter and with AI dialogue and mobile game animations

>>723724620
I'm assuming it's an exaggeration from the fact that non-combat builds have a rough fucking time during the combat heavy sections because, lets be honest here, the fights suck ass when you don't have any relevant stats or cool powers to help.
Meanwhile running through the game as a braindead brujah or gangrel ripping shit up is great because that's what you're good at that.

>>723724889
Redemption is repetitive as fuck and all its best qualities are overshadowed by the huge stretches of seemingly endless dungeons and awful balance

worst part is not being able to make your own vampire waifu character desu

>>723724438
>>723724526
>dishonored but movement genuinely has no purpose because there's nothing on rooftops
>dishonored but with no level design
>dishonored but abilities don't combo into each other in cool and player-defined ways
Sad
>>723724567
they had to hire Schaffer back near the end

>>723724438
Not even close, at most you get combining 2-3 combat abilities in a closed off square arena room. Levels aren't connected at all, go in one animation locked loading door to the other, everything is in a vacuum. They also decided to restrict the ability usage, so each ability gets 1 use before you need to drink blood.

>>723705801
>gets bitten in the neck
>this doesn't affect his neck's mobility at all

>>723701801 (OP)
Highly unlikely, but it's getting there.

Steam preload is up. BTW, once the game files are out someone should save them because you never know what cut content could be lurking in the release build that gets removed later.

>>723725003
I switched to guns in the last level as a Brujah because I got annoyed waiting for my health to come back from meleeing everything, and it was absolutely fine with the 2 skill books I read

>>723710889
>that couch
you can tell she's from Russia

>>723725003
True, but the game does warn you multiple times, through both gameplay and dialogue, that you have to put points into combat stats

>>723724992
Apt, I actually did somewhat wonder if they were inspired by Pathologic 2

>>723725004
But I did like the characters. Christoff especially. He's such an adorable autist about his Anezka, even Etrius has an aunerysm.

>>723701801 (OP)
>>723725086
I think blood 2 still holds this title.

>>723725091
>switch to guns
Man that sounds like an awful idea, gunplay is torture without maximum investment

>>723725216
Meh it was mostly fine
Especially against the final boss who does fly bys so you can hit him with shit stats

>>723725216
That's why the Toreador are the best clan.
They have both the diplomacy skills that'll carry you through the early part and the gunfu skills that'll carry you through the latter part.

>>723724373
Don't forget the top tier classic Bethesda writing in 3. And then 4, of course.

>>723725316
>diplomacy skills that'll carry you through the early part
Can you even diplomacy around having to fight the blood elemental in the gallery?

>>723725152
Which is where all the good qualities of the game are. I'm pretty sure it's what keeps people playing until the end. It should've leaned more into that instead of being an ARPG dungeon crawler

>>723714441
>>723715770
Anon was mostly faithfully recounting spoilers until he got to the "Fabien went schizo" part.
Fabien understands Campbell is going to kill him after the box is opened, so he deliberately wakes Phyre from torpor by feeding him blood (because, of all the things TCR got wrong about VTM lore, they at least got this part right). It's pre-emptive revenge, not schizophrenia.

so wait does Phyre actually punches and kicks people or does he only use that gay-ass hand gesture thing non-stop?

>>723725383
no

>>723725383
No, and you have blood buff and a knife given to you by Jeanette so it’s not a hard fight. Why are social niggers so scared of using blood buff??

>>723724885
I haven't played Machine for Pigs, so I'll take your word for it.
Still Wakes the Deep, I did, and review wise it's even supposed to be better. So it's fairly worrying.

>Fallout 3 schizo is here
Kino thread

>>723725468
They fear what they are

>>723724836
I love it too. Such a tense scene and then it hits you with "wueghhh" David Lynch combo and just ends kek

>>723725436
depends in your clan's choice, which seems to impact what you're punching attack is.

>>723725436
Different combat animations for each clan.

>>723724992
>Pathologic 2
Oh shit, I see it now

>>723718206
>she doesn't know about that Judy posters ( forgot the actual name)
vtmb threads have been cancer ever since that anon spammed the black trans anarch image in every thread for 4-5 years now, don't know why it stopped with Vtmb 2 though

Someone give me the qrd on Lasombra and the mudslime terrorist clan

>>723725814
The Spanish Navy to the English Army, the Catholic Church to the Protestant State, the Reconquista to BREXIT, Lasombra uses spooky shadows to kill people and value strength and order above all else.

Assmites hid in a cave and converted to Islam when it was convenient and poison people to death. Had a civil war but unfortunately some of them lived.

>>723711297
A lot of modern writers seem incapable of writing someone who has more life experience than a 30-year old. It's honestly baffling that they chose to make it so hard for themselves, instead of just having a newly embraced protagonist. Imagine these guys writing Andrei or Grout

>>723725994
Oh so literally the Templars and Assassins from AssCreed

>>723724406
On Steam, Reddit, and /v/.

>>723708934
Just play it. I only have one essential tip.
Lacroix is a slimy jew. There's gold in that coffin and he's hiding it from you.

>>723724406
no, everywhere with bots

Would this be a good game to get my wife who is into vampires fucking and likes more casual games? Looks like it's been sanitized for a normie audience. I don't think she's autistic enough to play the first one.

>>723726429
the CYOA visual novel would probably be better for that

>>723726429
Good choice if you want her to divorce you

>>723726429
if she reads actual fantasy books and not only smut garbage, there is a chance.

>>723726523
It's fine, I made her up for (you)s anyway.

>>723724889
>>723725004
Redemption is the kind of game that could use a remake, imagine it done in BG3 style.

>>723727034
It's probably in rights limbo otherwise I could see Paradigm/WW doing that since they have reference redemption a decent amount in V5 publications

>>723703172
you cannot post on 4chan if you're underaged dude, read the rules

>>723709881
>Domination loss
What's that? Starting as a dom and then gradually having your authority usurped by your bratty switch-sub?