Thread 723719123

>battle brothers
>starts using anvil and hammer tactics
>game becomes much easier and safer
How often does real war tactics work in games?

>>723719123 (OP)
>How often does real war tactics work in games?
The hammer and anvil one works great in TW: Wahammer however other IRL tactics are just pointless because of how the game mass works and well, spells and monsters being present

I always end up with javelin/axe throwers who have spear wallers to their left and right plus some archers in the back. Front line always has shields. Left and right margin spear wallers each have a doggo in inventory.

>>723719123 (OP)
>anvil and hammer tactics
But the game has no cavalry at least not for the player

Doesn't sound very efficient to spend half the game trying to maneuver around the enemy when you can just use billhooks to attack over your guys.

>>723719973
Just get a small group of heavy hitters to sweep through from one side to the other while the rest keep holding the line

>>723719123 (OP)
You can't hammer and anvil in this game since you will always be outnumbered. You will need to tie the enemies down with your tank bros and then bunker bust the rest with your dps bros (polearm and ranged)

>>723720193
that's called flanking

>>723719123 (OP)
Hammer and anvil in BB is a valid strategy post flanking, at which point the game is won and the enemy is in a morale rout for a while. In other words, it's not really a strategy in BB as it has no application.

>>723720336
Yes
>The hammer and anvil is a military tactic involving the use of two primary forces, one to pin down an enemy, and the other to smash or defeat the opponent with an encirclement maneuver. It may involve a frontal assault by one part of the force, playing a slower-moving or more static role. The second phase involves a more mobile force that maneuvers around the enemy and attacks from behind or the flank to deliver a decisive blow

>>723720090
There is almost never a situation where it is a viable strategy, unless you somehow engage 50+ enemies with an allied noble army counting 30 or so.

>>723720619
well desu anon I'd say the other anon and I through about it in a much more narrow sense, talking about flanking as its own separate tactic because yes, flanking is the bread and butter of early and mid-game, later on its usually a morale breaking strategy depending on the enemies

>>723720620
Nope. That's a pretty good strategy that works even if you are outnumbered. Just make all bros into battleforged 2H/polearm hybrids and you'll win 95% of the engagements easily.

>>723719773
Btw what can i improve on this? The axe/javelin throwers all have quick hands btw so when they run out of ammo or the enemy manages to get past spear wall they switch between 2h and shield. The idea is to spread as many injuries with javelins/throwing axes/arrows so when an enemy is injured a different enemy is the target. I managed to win against 1 crisis with this in permadeath medium difficulity but thats the best i got one time, the rest i end up dead or beggar.

guys what's the most noob friendly setup in BB? I never know how I should equip my bros and how many of them
are two guys with billhooks enough or should I have more of them? Are 3 archers enough?

>>723720884
>flank the enemy when you are outnumbered

>>723720760
Since you are flanking you'll also be breaking their morale. Have the best tanks tank 3-4 enemies each while your attacking squad goes killing the less populated side of the front line to free more of your front line to help out on the offensive

>>723721038
Outnumbered but never outgunned. It literally doesnt matter when most of your bros are terrifying berserk + killing frenzy 2H powerhouses.

>>723721038
4 attackers, 4 off tanks, 4 walls
your walls tank 3-4 enemies, off tank, 1-2 for quite a long time
that is on average 20 enemies stuck

>>723721072
Good luck with greenskins.

>>723720884
The thing is that you're outnumbered most of the time and you can't move to the back line of a group of enemies that are 2-3x your number. By You can zerk/frenzy with anything more capable than a fat neutral fatigue wise, but morale routing is the optimal way to fight all living enemies. There's some outlying situations, sure. If you look at ops pic, the entire ranged group of enemy raiders completely detached, while they've got the breaking morale status and the one guy in melee is fleeing. What is shown here is simple flanking which is of course the bread and butter of engaging a group of raiders attacking a caravan. Also for some clarification, this is a peasant militia background run and judging by the equipment it's in what is considered early mid-game.

>>723721527
>If you look at ops pic,
Pretty sure that's a random screenshot from Google images/steam page and isn't particularly relevant to what he's talking about.

>>723721072
That works with raiders, but lets look at everything else:
>greenskins CC you via shamans, nets and their favored terrain - swamps and forests
>nobles have standard bearers and depending on world scaling, knights and backliners for days to bog you down in the middle
>orcs destroy your positioning via warriors, berserkers can chain one shot behind a shield with their flail
>barbarians are the closest to raiders, but a squad with lots of chosen and unholds is no joke strategy wise
Double-stack of fearsome overwhelm gunners and/or a mix with throwers, with fearsome frenzy zerker quickhand 2H bros and tanks/2H hammer to hold the flank instead of initiating flanking is almost always the go-to choice. Late game you prioritize holding positioning, killing away and breaking morale.

>>723720972
>Are 3 archers enough?
3 too many

>>723721848
that is why you put your tankiest bros in one side while the attacking ones go sweeping the line

>>723721718
Well, given the context of the post, I think it's relevant because it is, besides manhunters, the only background that can field more than 12 of your own bros and to flank, get behind and then "hammer and anvil" requires enough numbers to hold the enemy tied down in the middle, so I thought its relevant pointing out that picrel shows 1/4(15 instead of 12) more bros than the maximum allowed number for all other backgrounds except one.

>>723722092
>player bros with T2 weapons and armor, brigands all have T1 weapons and armor
Dude he just broke through the line with brute force even without the dogshit caravan guards help. There's nothing more to the screenshot. Stop overanalyzing it.

>>723722043
Honestly everyone needs to be tanky, both the 2H frontliners(BF) and the flank holders/tanks on the flank. This is why your entire frontline early game should optimally be bros that are getting leveled while holding shields.

>>723719123 (OP)
>weak side - strong side
Works on most strategy game, have the weak side buy time while your strong side crushes the enemy's weak side. They are kinda similar I guess

Battle Brothers was such a good game. They nailed the gameplay, the look of the game, the sounds. And then those faggots abandoned the game. The game feels unfinished and the DLC sucks.
I wish they would have just kept working on the game adding more enemies, more unique quirks, more types of injuries and most importantly made the end-game scenario better. The game ends with a wet fart.

I wish they had a system similar to Shadow of Mordor where you would have enemy captains with unique personalities who stick around as enemies. When the orcs or undead invade they should be lead by unique NPCs with names and unique strategies.
Instead they spawn in some enemies and when a certain amount of enemies is dead you get a win. It's so insanely anticlimactic. It feels like the game is ramping up and you are only seeing the start of the invasion and then it ends.

>>723722336
Sorry anon, it's just my BB autismo. I simply know the difference in early game difficulty between this background and some other as this one can handle losing bros, so I went by that.

>>723722428
I really was disappointed in the game once I figured out that the solution to most of the enemies in the game is to just armor maxx fat neutral melee bros and 2H them.

I always get filtered by orc evasion.

>>723719773
>>723720952
Fine, ill improve it by myself next time i open BB.

>>723722469
It's the classic dev route of those who make a succesful game.
>spend years on the project
>it received incredibly well
>add some stuff to it
>feel tired of working on one thing and then start working on other games
>"we're making Menace now"
>if it flops they'll try to rudder back to BB
to be fair they did add a free, albeit small update recently

>>723722773
What was the update?

>>723722595
>evasion

>>723722773
menace's enemy ai seemed pretty bad

>>723722469
>>723722773
How does BB feel abandoned? You guys are just whining entitled pricks who want devs to make a game with infinite content.

>>723722961
Tranny defense force arrived
>REEE NO DEV CAN DO ANYTHING WRONG EVER
Even a mentally ill looney troon should be able to see that all the effort was put into the early game and the game has nothing to show for the mid and end game.

>>723722961
they are making infinite money with it, so why shouldn't they

>>723723139
>the game has nothing to show for the mid and end game
You say that when the game has 4 different crisis each with unique contracts, end game camps for each faction, several legendary locations for legendary weapons/armors. You are just retarded.

>>723719123 (OP)
>try this
>anvil gets 1 in a million crit beheaded
>hammer misses 99% of attacks
I'm literally too unlucky to play this game.

>>723720952
You want to maximize the number of fights before the first crisis. I always pick Noble Wars as the first one. Challenging, but incredibly lucrative as far as the eye can see on the map and the enemies have to work according to the same rules your own bros work on(ie movement and abilities). For throwers you want to farm out the Barbarians for their javelins and axes(axes are better against armored opponents). They need the bag perk and quickhands, on top of throwing mastery and duelist as mandatory. For defensive perks I always pick quick feet and nimble. That's 6 perks I consider mandatory in all my playthrough for my throwers, so now you have 5 more to go with. I also pick student because I don't want to tempo my backliners, but I want to tempo the crisis tempo. It also allows me to get to the upper rows of perks quicker without going defensive. I go with tempo only for disposable bros that I know exist only to take damage and keep my long-term bros safe. This is how I found throwers to work best for me:
>Student, bag, quickhands, throwing mastery, killing frenzy, berserk, duelist, footwork and nimble. This leaves you three additional perks at level 11 to add.
>Barbarian javelins and axes in the bag, with a bow and quiver equipped
>Dog is also equipped
>Have a throwing weapon + net equipped
This is the finalized look of my standard thrower. They never disappoint and carry the early and early to mid mid-game damage wise.

For me it's dagger bro.

>>723722860
Two new locations with new enemies for those locations exclusively and a named 2H flail(Censor flail) that is honestly really good.

>>723723660
why not 2 dagger bros with an axe bro

this game balance is shit literally all weapons other than hammers and polearms are uselss

LAZY: THE GAME

>>723722925
Menace feels un-BBish and Overhype has a lot of fans specifically due to BB. I suspect a lot of people will be disappointed, although I think Menace has great potential. The AI will be tweaked as the game goes on with DLCs I assume. I just don't like the whole squad-based system. I very much like the approach to the overworld however as it is much bigger. The only thing I wanted from BB's worlds was for them to be bigger, basically more of the same.

>>723722961
It feels abandoned because it could've been iterated much more on. The legends and reforged mods are one prime example, not to mention that going to BB 2 directly instead of coming up with Menace would've been a much better, financially more sound and when it comes to the fans, better received title. The world map can be bigger, there can be more locations, challenges, factions, noble houses or even interconnected maps in the new title. What they absolutely must keep is the bro-building, approach to art and sound and graphics.

>>723723798
This is wrong

Just keep dismissing bros and have 3 or 4 godbros with a bunch of 9 lives meat shield beggars. difficulty balancing is this game is pretty bad

>>723724127
no it's not, try using your fucking sword or axe against armored opponents

>>723723480
Tranny cope
>reeee, actually it's high effort because you fight the same guys copypasted 100 times and then you get a ''u win bro XD'' victory card
The devs are big Xcom fans. Just look at how Xcom ends for reference of what an end-game should be.

>>723724264
I don't know what to tell you anon, but that is precisely what makes it balanced. You use hammers and maces, but primarily hammers against armored opponents. This is what gives these specs more importance and relevance. Maces do have the stun effect in addition, yes, this is why aren't as hard hitting on armor as hammers. This is part of the balance anon.

>>723724139
I will try this now

>>723724264
>>723724410
And to add to this, my most commonly created 2H frontliner is a 2H Axe, berserk frenzy quickhands fearsome bro. These guys will fearsome the everloving shit out of armored opponents, lower their MDEF and then open them up for finishing or cause them all to break when backed up by a handgonner. A one-handed axe and sword naturally can't do shit to an orc warrior. On a side note, 1H duelist axes have the highest damage potential.

>>723719241
Why would you play the faggot version of total war? Are you some kind of faggot??

>Playing vanilla BB
Shiggy diggy

>>723724646
>Are you some kind of faggot??
Does it count even if he destroys Sigvald and Azazel

>>723719123 (OP)
>no cute females
Why are you guys so gay?

>>723724791
Wait until you see their next game and the women in it

>>723724053
>it's abandoned because it could have more content
wow.. what a non-argument. There will always be one person who can say same for every game in existence.

>they should have went for BB2 instead of menace
Maybe you should just grow up instead of complaining that the devs don't churn out sequel slop asap just for you.

>>723724919
>>723723909
Menace aka the un-BBing, which will lead to >>723722773
I honestly don't know why they can't read the fucking room

I like Menace.
>EA instead of release
I hate Menace.

I wish more starting scenarios had self inserts/king chess piece to be protected

>>723725000
>wow.. what a non-argument.
It's not a non-argument, the potential of BB is huge and a lot of it was left untapped. Remember that they make a living and would make a lot more money off this title, so this is a situation where I'm expecting everyone involved to get what is good for them.
>Maybe you should just grow up instead of complaining that the devs don't churn out sequel slop asap just for you.
>says sequel slop while I listed tons of improvements the first game could've made, added a 2 to it and it would've been received gloriously well
It's called liking a product a lot, buying everything it has to offer and wanting to see it get better and better as time goes on.

>>723725268
Menace looks like ass, everything is so small

>>723725000
And also, shame on you for wasting the triple digits with such a post anon.

>>723725268
Nowadays I see EA as devs testing the waters for public interest to gauge how much more they will work on a game without breaking the bank

>>723725480
That's what it precisely is, along with cutting testing costs for themselves. They used to have to do all the testing internally, now they let their "fans" do the testing.

>>723725351
If you're truly looking for the good of the devs then you should've realized that menace has much more potential to reach the mainstream audience than BB. Pretty sure you are just greedy for more.

>>723719241
The issue with total war is that literally none of their games has any tactic that is surpassed by
>big infantry line to hold
>a bunch of missile guys behind them
>If there's artillery, even better.

>>723719123 (OP)
This game would be a LOT more popular with better art, I put if off for years because of it

>>723725464
>ad hominem over nothing
you dont need to seethe, childm

>>723725601
>Pretty sure you are just greedy for more.
That's not the definition of greedy. It would've been greedy if I wanted them to make updates for free, instead of me wanting to give them money for a game and franchise that can be improved in 100 different ways, some of which have been showcased by legends and reforged.
>If you're truly looking for the good of the devs then you should've realized that menace has much more potential to reach the mainstream audience than BB.
It is exactly this pursuit of the "mainstream audience" that leads to the downfall of many great developer studios. You can't see it, but my post is looking after them in the general sense too. When you make a game for everyone, you make a game for no one. This is especially true given the track record of the gaming industry in the last half a decade.

>>723725657
>>big infantry line to hold
>>a bunch of missile guys behind them
>>If there's artillery, even better.

anon, that's how formations looked like IRL too

>>723725772
>doesn't know how to properly use ad hominem
kek

Battle Brothers is WAY too grindy to get to the endgame. 80-100 days, fuck that it should have been 65 days

how the fuck am I supposed to survive the early game? Just have a bunch of spearmen?

I really loved my Battle Brothers run that I don't want to start any other to respect my fellas and my journey.
Didn't like much the fantasy element tho, I would have prefered only humans fights

>>723725946
Formations were a lot more complex than "singular big line of spearmen with archers behind"

>>723725953
>resorts to shaming the poster without attacking the argument
>not ad hominem
yea ok

Yep. It's expert tim-ACK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG9TdeMP7UM

>>723726217
Well checkerboard is better than lines in TW too

>>723725891
>When you make a game for everyone, you make a game for no one
Mainstream audience meaning the XCOM audience in this case. You are clearly blowing things out of proportion with such platitudes.

>>723726102
Pick easy fights and do easy jobs. Maximize profit, minimize losses.
Getting spears is a pretty good way to survive early game. Having a bunch of badly equipped enemies just walk in your spear walls is free damage.

>>723726102
It's all about recruiting cheap bros, getting shields and spears and then getting raider armors. It can be difficult and run-ending. You must get used to the notion of losing these cheap fodder bros. This is why you go for the super cheap ones, so the replenishment will cost you less than a javelin. This is why I also prefer the poachers background because you get 3 ranged bros that can javelin/bow down the enemies, with high accuracy against enemies that are close. Once you have 2-3 raider armors and helmets, don't be scared to take on small noble caravans with 7 enemies or so because their armor will set you up for good.

>>723726102
Early pitchforks are very strong. You generally want to use trash bros as meat shield with spears. Download the mod that let you see the stats because bros gacha is awful.

>>723726237
it was meant as humor, not as an attack, now we might see the humor behind it differently or text might not have conveyed the intention, but yeah it wasn't an attack as I replied to the argument in a post above

>>723719123 (OP)
how do you hammer there is no mounts in bb

>>723726735
Yea you forgot the /s, anonymous !

Are single handed swords and axes worth it? Is it better to just go spears - hammers/polearms?

>>723719123 (OP)
>listen to me, patrick
>we need a barbarian theme
>no need to go all out, alright
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0eZXhXbC8A

>>723726428
They're trying to capture the X-Com audience while straying away from the audience they've already captured? The squad-system is as anti what-the-X-Com-audience-wants as it can be and the biggest overlap X-Com has with BB is the individualization of the characters you utilize. But all of this is besides the original point I made and that is that BB has huge potential that was left untouched, which could've expanded on the audience it attracts too, while making a lot of money and further building brand recognition.

>>723726830
At times whenn your bros are good enough, swords can add to a tanks tankyness for example.
>Is it better to just go spears - hammers/polearms?
I assume you don't mean on a singular bro, because I find having different 2handers is better, there isn't much need or want for a 2Handed bro to have a spear as backup.

>>723725657
heavy cavalry charge into infantry line
light cavalry into artillery
you lose, dumb faggot

>>723725740
But it has great art. It's just the busts approach that turns people off. In the original pitch everyone looked like dwarfs.

>>723726324
Well that depends on the game.

For Atilla, which I honestly think is the best historical game outside of Shogun, I have beat armies 4x my size with some Lanciarii & Sagitarii

>>723727115
>heavy cavalry charge into infantry line
wish it worked well in WH3 because heavy cav is fucking shit in it, it's used pretty much just to attack artillery and shooters

>>723727004
Obviously it isn't a 1:1 copy of xcom but a hybrid of XCOM and JA with their own mix to it. Both these franchises are huge among TBS fans and menace will be spreading like wildfire once it is finished. Only time will tell if it was a gamble worth taking but I'm pretty confident on menace being a great game. It sure has the bones for it (unless they leave the game unfinished for another game again in your own words).

>>723722961
NTA
I was very early adopter and the early game was more on simulation aspect that get changed into what we have, devs eventually just did minimum to have their promises fulfilled and said that its over
then they needed some cash and produced more more DLC(every time it was ''its over'' but then it was ''we need cash'')
then they got gov money from their gov connections and Menace was created that is less sandbox(no free roam) and more instanced

>>723727221
>heavy cav is fucking shit in it
I disagree, if you want useless cavalry look at shogun 2.

>>723727240
Well yes, I'm definitely hoping they stick to it with updates for years after release because Menace does have huge potential too, particularly the overworld in the setting.

>>723727004
Menace's problem is it's neither BB or XCOM, but some weird amalgam of various design choices from both.

>>723727308
>then they got gov money from their gov
>Hamburg
this explains the character options they've shown lol
>from medieval fantasy mercenary band of rough men to pajeeta redeemer major, saar, yes saar.

>>723720972
Spears and shields early on, later on switch to axes from spears and specialize into that. 2H swords are great for lategame damage bros. Ranged is really bad for most part because they are useless against some really common enemy types. The only consistently good ranged is a thrower. Having a thrower or two has really strong damage output but overall to survive you want to have a shield/armored guy frontline with polearm backrow. Usually the bros will good rolls will be front line and the ones with shitty rolls will be backline, unless you just want to have a meatshield that's dedicated to eating shit and dying.

>>723727129
>>723725740
The art is what I like the most about it, just feels like there could've been more of it.

>>723726102
get 6 units with shields with 200-300 gold armor for 4-5 of them. that will give you 50 armor with translates to surviving 2-4 hits. should be enough to get through battles.
the other 1-2 bros should use any range weapon you come with if any and put the best talented bros with these weapons in the backline.
armor is everything in the early game and how you get ahead of the difficulty curve, weapons, shield and hats you get for free. prioritize spears since they give you bonus to accuracy and everyone is pretty shit at hitting anything
build a strong front line first, back lines in the early game is better reserved for bros you're training or for under equipped bros
farmers are the best early game recruits since they come with absurd hp, beggars are ok for fodder and rolling talents. don't even bother examining them, you're to want 6 units asap since that is the minimum difficulty the game is balanced for
build alliance with villages near each other that all have good buildings

>>723722469
>>723722773
This game is probably the best money I've ever spent in my life on an actual video game, they even released a small DLC this year for free when they didn't need to at all. What the fuck are you faggots even talking about, it's like you WANT games to be live service dogshit. The game was released 8 years ago and you still want updates. I don't often talk about entitlement, but holy fucking shit. These are some of the most brown-hands-typed-this posts I've seen on this board in a long time and this board is infested with shiteating jeets nowadays.

>>723728005
I just wish the DLC wasn't comparatively pricey, but then again you really don't need it for a good while.

>>723727559
i mean, this is on their steam page
they do not hide it

>>723725946
nope, missile units were deployed before or inside big infantry and for good reason

>>723728005
>and you still want updates
No, I want a BB 2 that doesn't leave as much potential unwasted.
> These are some of the most brown-hands-typed-this posts I've seen on this board in a long time and this board is infested with shiteating jeets nowadays.
That's funny considering Major Pajeeta saar, yes saar is presented in Menace KEK can't make this shit reply up

>>723728607
You literally type like a subhuman, you're not going to trick anyone.

>>723728005
>>723722773
Hit a nerve there by calling out the most likely outcome, did I anon? Funny you talk about Indians when there's an Indian or some other form of brownoid character shown in Menace itself, while BB is entirely based on medieval Europe LMAO
>Lance Corporal Renu Rewa

>>723728658
>>723728904
>here is your MENACE the game saar
>if you don't like Renu Rawa you're brown saar

>>723728904
>while BB is entirely based on medieval Europe
yeah especially the south

>>723729025
Which is fought in a religious war considered a crisis, while mercenaries are gonna be mercenaries and work for anyone they choose? Yes, sounds good.

>>723727221
Yeah they don't have enough mass
Bull centaurs charging into a line looks good, regular cav only looks good against grobulins and ungors
But if you scale cav mass up monsters become shit and infantry becomes worse
Tricky

The strategy is just don't get shit brothers, brother.
>>723722043
No the sides need to be able to hit many surrounding targets at once, the middle is for holding. Imagine two round swing with a 100-130 axe on 6 orc warriors in a single turn, that's "strategy" (it made all of them enter fleeing mode, including the warlord).

>there are people with lvl 20+ bros
By the time my roster is around 11 I'm already pretty much retiring the run, I don't like godbros taking on 5+ dudes by himself

>>723729709
based old swordmaster with a lightning sword, thematic kino

>>723719123 (OP)
>a tactic reliant on momentum
>in a turn-based game that doesn't even remotely account for momentum
Huh?

>>723729910
Honestly the game continues scaling on the world map until roughly the second crisis starts/is unfolding/ends and the camps up to day 267, so there's a lot you can do after level 11. Besides that, no single build is going to be good against everything. My barbarian, noble and orc destroyers get bogged down by massive goblin camps in the swamps that rolled 2 shamans.

>>723729910
Can you even kill the krakken? It's only possible with godbros if I recall.

>>723719241
There's plenty of effective strats that are deeper than just basic hammer and anvil
Gunline chevrons are kino if you're playing Empire, Kislev or Cathay, and even if you don't take the entire chevron thing there's micro-strats like how to react to melee units reaching your gun line that are still useful

>>723730146
You need one god roll lone wolf bro battle forged fat neutral bro with a goblin amulet. Frankly it is very tiresome to do any of the beast shit.

Shame TW games don't have functional AI anymore in good old Rome and Medieval times

>>723730308
>plenty of strats
>posts two

xD

>>723729025
looks like sicily or hispaniola

What are some of the must-have mods for BB?

>>723731383
Battle Sisters

>>723730641
I'm just going to start dumping my whole folder because my 'tism has been challenged

>>723731383
Legends mod

>>723730641
sneed

>>723732483
>Legends mod
>adds women
No thank you.

>>723731383

>>723732619
so toggle them off, it's one button press

>>723719123 (OP)
I wish trading was more profitable

>>723732680
>so toggle them off
If the mod is okay with adding women into BB then it only goes to reason that it would also be adding other silly out-of-place stuff.

>>723733041
>t. filtered by new enemies

>>723733171
Still not trying your fanfiction mod.

>>723732775
Based ork enjoyer

>dagger bros
>needs an absurd amount of fatigue to be useful
Not very rogue

>>723733853
Any nimble build is trash in BB. All it takes is one sneeze from a orc young / berserker / warrior and the dagger bro will fold into two.

>>723719123 (OP)
i love tactics games but i hate these graphics so ive never tried this game
is it worth it?

>>723732413
inefficent, you can use IRL formations for roleplay but they don't do much
>>723732594
checkerbox variant

btw checkerboard doesn't work well anymore either, AI just dabs on your infantry block and bolts it for the backline

>>723734534
if you genuinely love tactics games then yes the game is very fun
its a game that rewards you quite well for paying attention to its mechanics and experimenting with what does/doesn't work
difficulty is good too if you like playing hard modes
the game's also got some nice mods

many people complain about the art design, some continue to get filterd by it never touch the game, while others like the game but still hate the artstyle and at best tolerate it, others come to like it
best to just pirate it, play for a couple hrs and see what you think

>>723734534
It does have Oblivion-tier level scaling, which is a big turn off for me. I don't really care about the difficulty, I just want the world to be believable.

>>723735938
>>723734534
The art might be putting you off at the start, but the game play will hook you and you'll learn to appreciate the art direction after a while. Give it a try anon.

>>723719123 (OP)
Faggots have to make parallels to real life strategies to tell us that he started flanking his enemies, which is something like 99.9% of all players who played enough of this game end up naturally doing since it works.

>>723727129
Everyone complaints about that, but actual ARMOR looks fucking gorgeous.

>>723719773
I do the same but mix in 1 or 2 gigachads with a big two hander to hit multiple mobs alread engaged to spears

>>723734534
its pretty good
the art style will grow on you

>>723739923
how does this even work

>>723719241
Have you tried gloomhaven? Looking for another tactics game. Finished even othercide. King Arthur is on my list as well, but I'm hesitant.

>>723738290
Isn't it a sandbox game? Finishing fell seal. It's ugly, but the mechanics are solid, albeit basic. It's clear that the devs suck at coding.

I genuinely don't get sick of this song, when I heard it for the first time I knew I was hooked
When BB hits right, it hits so good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh553q5IdpE

>>723740285
Too bad the village music is so annoying

>>723740285
The noble houses fight soundtrack hits all the right notes for me, especially since I always select it as the first crisis. The barbarian fight soundtrack is amazing too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWY8rYPuftY

>>723740192
yeah, pretty much
you walk around looking for enemies to kill and loot, places to plunder and take contracts from local authorities(so you get paid extra for killing and looting), you can do a little trade and hunting for rare items and roll gacha for new recruits
combat is the main strength of this game, the global part is mediocre at best but combat is really good

>>723734570
>>723734670
Take a closer look at the vamp coast one, the checkerbox works for this because it's using monster cav and zombie chaff tarpits with depth guard nested in them as the front of the box
The chaff tarpit plus nested elite infantry thing also works great with chaos marauders and aspiring champions, it all comes down to animations, depth guard and aspiring champions have animations that take them forward and back a bit meaning they'll actually hit the enemy when they're nested in chaff. If you did this with, say, chosen, it would be less effective because the chosen's animations don't take them forward as much, they can't hit the enemy through their allies

>>723734570
Also I've done the tercio in game as Cathay and it works amazingly against enemies that don't have big spell nukes

>>723740861
I fucking hate his drawings

>>723742839
why?

>>723742908
>yo, lemme axe you a ques-ACK
>quickhands to reach 2H axe
>lands a hit on the first guy's company

>>723740192
It's a sandbox, but it has endgame crises that you need to be prepared for, high-risk areas far from civilization that require a strong group to clear, and a fairly clear progression path of goals for your bros to complete on the way

>>723742908
because they are full of innacurate bullshit, this one has few of the most egregious examples
>third guy on the left has some weird face-mask helmet that didn't exist
>that "hauberk" of the guy left to him that looks like a metal wifebeater

>>723727221
Not quite cavalry but I think charge strats work just fine, you just have to micro them a bit

>>723743450
Khazrak is the most boring furry LL and I wanna behead him

>>723728005
Tranny pedophile having a meltdown
>YOU LE WANT UPDATES 8 YEARS LATER!!!?!?!?!?!
No, I wanted them to finish the game 8 years ago and not leave an unfinished game that is fun for the first 5 hours and then you might as well uninstall it
Kill yourself.

>>723743541
I picked him for his starting position (I HATE MEN) and quite frankly they all play the exact same after turn 35 anyway after you confederate every other Beastmen LL

>>723724053
It feels abandoned because it is abandoned. All the content is front loaded and zero effort was put into late game missions or anything to do at all. The start of the game, everything, shows passion and then it just ends and you are left in an empty meaningless box with random enemy spawns while the devs go work on a new game.

>>723722961
God forbid you make paid dlc

>>723744102
The DLC makes the game worse. They should pay you to install it.
>what if we add enemies that put all your troops to sleep from across the map with no chance to miss or needing line of sight that bypasses literally anything
>and then they can just hit you from across the map with 100% hit chance while you are still asleep and can't do anything
>and if you hit them they teleport to safety
>so the only way to defeat them is to go into combat naked with 10 dogs, and then after you win you have to go through the tedious task of equipping all the armor back
here is your DLC, you fucking retard. Oh and here is a DLC all about fucking arabs who use guns and explosives, fuck you.

>>723743759
Taurox plays different

>>723744484
>Having this much trouble with alps
Unironically, actually, genuinely filtered
Literally just net them in place

>>723722595
reminder that orcs have dicks the size of tree trunks and they rape infants to death

>>723744889
>just be a gay retard and dilate your neovagina, sars

>>723744484
use nets you stupid faggot

>>723745000
But do they have any bad character traits?

>>723745084
t. ranny
How would you know nets stop teleportation without looking up guides?

>>723745206
by reading the item you illiterate cretin

>>723745330
Tranny hallucinating, now seeing text in item descriptions telling they/them that nets stop teleportation. They/them thinks this is even an argument as if any normal player would install the DLC and then go read net descriptions to check if nets have new rules for new enemies.

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