Thread 723725540

downloading the 2002 mmo final fantasy 11 which I haven't played since 2005
what should I expect

it even had my old friends list saved, think any of them are around still?

I'd go back to asheron's call if I could
that was the goat mmo of the day

>>723725696
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUvcSts322I

they will be offline since forever. i havent logged into wow since wrath and only recently. last login was a decade ago.

>>723725540 (OP)
Some of them are probably dead.

what's crazy is FFXI still gets regular updates

>>723726371
and expansions

>>723726371
yeah its basically the same team as ffxiv now.

>>723725540 (OP)
Maybe one who is now on a different server and a different character, his old main will be one of the 5 other characters he bots in his multibox party.
Current FFXI is pretty grim.

>>723725540 (OP)
Well, you can expect a completely different game, which isn't necessarily a bad thing--it's much more approachable for the people looking to play solo while still requiring a party to do a lot of the endgame content
Your friends are probably all gone now, and there's a good chance your server got merged with another server
Speaking of which, your server is probably going to be a bit on the quieter side if it's not Asura or Bahamut, which can feel lonely, but it'll be nice if you just want to have a nostalgic adventure and revisit areas that may hold memories for you
I recommend looking for an NPC named "Linkshell Concierge" in the starting areas that will give you a list of recruiting Linkshells (these usually always have a "new players welcome" one)
Leveling is done mainly solo now with the use of Trusts, which are basically summonable NPCs that take the place of party members, you can collect different ones by doing quests or exchanging for them with login points
I'd say your first goal after getting familiar with the game again is to start the Rhapsodies of Vanadiel storyline (an expansion that ties all the stories together), as just starting it gives you some nice passive buffs
It's going to feel like an overwhelming experience, but just take it one step at a time and enjoy the ride
The game is still really beautiful in it's own way, even if it has changed

>>723727180
>Current FFXI is pretty grim.
WHY

>>723727273
>server is probably going to be a bit on the quieter side if it's not Asura or Bahamu
should I migrate my character

>>723725540 (OP)
Expect the game to look the same but feel very different, it's much faster in all regards. While the slow paced savor it mentality of 2005 isn't there any more it's been replaced with a literal fuckton of content, there is so much to do, so many avenues to pursue, and so much character building that it will overwhelm you.

Despite the appearance people are still open to talking and helping you, the community isn't as large as it once was but that bit remains.

>>723727525
You might not be able to at this time, both of those servers have become so popular they've been locked and do not allow new characters to be created there. It's not that big of a deal right now but if you stick around for a while it's worth looking in to.

>>723727525
I believe both servers are currently closed off from allowing new characters/transfers because of their surge in recent popularity
This can actually be a benefit to you, as quieter servers benefit from less competition for NMs and possibly more relaxed pricing (and as a bonus you don't have to deal with the flood of mercenary bot shouts)
I'd say stick with your current server for the time being, see if you can find a friendly or helpful Linkshell via the Concierge
Only consider moving to Asura once it's open if you can't find a group of people to play with and you want to eventually dive into the endgame side of things

>>723725540 (OP)
SOVL

>>723725540 (OP)
A pretty good time capsule with a lot more QoL than you remember like NPC parties(Trust summons), teleporters, and much more available information for stuff ingame than word of mouth and strategy guides. On the other hand, a great deal of the overworld will be dead player wise as well as most cities empty except the larger ones

If you're heading back to experience the story, you'll have a good time. For a real MMO feel, it'll probably leave you wanting until the very highest levels and endgame

i keep wanting to spin up a solo server but i hear the landsandboat thing isn't really optimized for it

>>723725806
what happened to the mmo he was making?

>>723727993
>>723728756
how hard is endgame to get into, I was a paladin

>>723730117
no idea probably gone with him

>>723730072
how much content does landsandboat even have? The wiki seems like it hasn't been updated in forever.

>>723730072
why not just play onliune

>>723725540 (OP)
thread theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bepVadmtkgk

>>723725540 (OP)
Play through the story you never finished. It's worth it.

>>723734367
goated music there was one I'd always fall asleep to with my ps2 on

>>723734059
i think the main game and first expac or two?

>>723734291
>sub fee
>have to dick around with playonline (the worst online game account system ever invented)
>i will be playing solo 99% of the time anyway, so again, why pay money for that

>>723725540 (OP)
>be me in 2003
>looking for a new MMO after falling off My First MMO (Everquest: Online Adventures for PS2, objectively trash)
>obsess over FFXI for months, perfectly crafting the void in my soul for this perfect japanese escapism
>Christmas rolls around and I get it for PC
>Know nothing about computer specs and hardware and gaming at the time was playing SC:BW on the old family computer
>Sit on this install screen for ten hours watching the update slowly tick up with the ALAYYYLEEEEUHHHHHHH music
>read the user manual multiple times while I wait, imagine how I'll make a galka or a tarutaru
>finally ready to go
>watch hype as fuck opening movie
>game crashes
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lhhrUuw2N8
>try everything my feeble young brain can think of to troubleshoot ("maybe intel graphics has a setting...")
>game WILL not load no matter what I do (guess you need a graphics card and more than 128mb of DDR200 ram )
>crash
>crash
>crash
>an entire weekend wasted troubleshooting + a significantly expensive christmas gift wasted
I was so fucking sad lmao. A year later I bought picrel and finally, blissfully, could play at an astounding 25 fps at 1280x1024 resolution.

>>723730810
If you're coming from 2005, it's going to be real rough--this applies to most jobs though, so don't feel bad
Generally, if you're not playing with a group of friends or Linkshell members who are willing to help take you through some endgame content to get gear, you're going to be stuck trying to do it solo or by shouting for help and doing it with random players (or by buying runs, but I don't know why you'd you do that)
If you're in less-than-ideal gear, especially as a tank, doing things with randoms who are expecting clean runs is going to be a rough time
As such, it's recommended that you level WHM if you're trying to get gear for your main job
WHM 's are always in high demand for content and don't require much in terms of gear to break into endgame, so it's a relatively easy way to get actual gear going

>>723734935
Weird story because it's extremely similar to my experience trying to play it back in 2004 and being unable to even get the opening movie to play, thinking my install had corrupted. And I was using a satellite internet connection, so it's not like i was quickly installing the game, I couldn't play it for months. I actually called support and they told me the same thing, i just didnt have the graphics card for it. I had no clue back then what that was or how to upgrade it. On a whim, i found a GeForce MX4000 at walmart, and thankfully that was a PCI card, which worked for my Dell, and I was finally able to play

>>723735223
Is it better to start a new character

>>723735823
I'd say that really depends on how far you made it into the game before and how much and what kind of gear you had
Like previously mentioned, leveling now-a-days is done with Trusts, and in the Rhapsodies zones, generally doesn't take THAT long to do--your roadblocks will be stopping to do your limit break quests
Starting fresh will give you a clean slate to work with which might help you ease back into the game a bit easier (and it's also nice if you're worried about forgetting the story side of things); but if you have some decent gear from before, like anything Relic related, or even some rare NM drops which may still see use nowadays, I'd advise sticking with your current character
https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/58104/the-divine-protector-pld-guide-2025
There's a handy fairly up-to-date guide for Paladin that will give you an idea of what to aim for/work towards

I thought I was a higher level and got further than I did

>>723736428
>>723737824

where do I start I'm so lost

>>723725540 (OP)
retail is dumb and boring. play on a private server that is set in 2006

horizonxi.com

>>723738017
what is your /playtime

>>723725540 (OP)
Thanks for the PTSD, anon.

>>723738017
Ah that's nostalgic, you were probably still leveling in Yuhtunga or Garlaige
But yeah, you don't have too much progress (which is wild to hear because that was weeks if not months of grinding back then) and most likely nothing worth losing aside from having to unlock Paladin again
It's up to you to decide what you want to do, but restarting would probably give you a much easier time refamiliarizing yourself and getting back into things
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/New_Player_Leveling_Guide
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Fantastic_EXPs_and_Where_to_Find_Them
Here's two nice guides that should be fairly up-to-date to help you start back out
Don't let all the information overwhelm you, just bookmark and skim through the first one for now and reference them on occasion when you feel stuck or lost

>>723739818
I think I maybe had a different playonline account originally

>>723739960
alright who's giving me a gold world pass

>>723738017
If you want to just play the story I'd pick a DD job (War, Mnk or Sam) and let a Trust do the tanking for you, Join the Apururu Unity Concord and use her for a healer trust since she is the best. you're going to want to look into Records of Eminence as soon as you can.

>>723725806
Better times unironically, Asheron call mechanics make wow look like a bitch, everything got so cuasualized and mobile gameized

>>723740429
how do i go about getting one of these

>>723725540 (OP)
expect over priced auction house items because the people who still play have a monopoly on items

>>723742294
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Gold_World_Pass

>>723739934
why you didn't enjoy playonline launcher?

How much did FF14 fall off that people are recommending FF11 over FF14? What happened?

>>723743679
the last expansion revolved entirely around a really annoying character that was universally hated across both the english and japanese versions of the game, and even moreso in english because the VA for that character is some nepo diversity hire tranny. despite the game making the most money out of anything for Square they just keep investing that money into more mobile gacha games that they close down after a year and don't put any of it back into the game. major content drought(s) and the response is "purease understandu deverappa are peepole too". i'm not a FFXIVfag but this is what i've gleaned from the threads i've seen while browsing the catalog.

>>723743679
games in it's mid expansion lull but certain stuff about the current one is pretty bad. Really though in my experience the two scenes are not that intertwined which is SE's fault entirely for not having a joint subscription model.

>>723743679
A big part of it is that XIV finally, fucking finally, gave XI a piece of proper crossover content so for many people it's the first time they've had any sort of look at anything XI related (and known it was from XI). I'd chalk most of the attention up to that because >>723744664 as he said the playerbases generally don't mingle.

If they ever fixed their subscription setup for XI you can bet the game would be flooded with new players.

>>723743679
XIV currently has an Alliance Raid that is XI themed and has run a couple cross-promotion discounts on an XI sub
Probably has helped spark some interest from people maybe at least looking to go through the story

>>723742410
Honestly most items are extremely cheap, the only time you have to put out real money is for high quality endgame items or anything related to ultimate weapons. Which to be fair, gives you an easy way to make money by selling said items to the people who want them.

Who is riding their Omega mount as payback because he's beating their ass in MH in parallel

>>723745297
not me I don't know how to get it

What server do I pick guys

>>723743679
I think there is a market for a good MMORPG with old-school MMORPG design philosophies, and FFXI classic would easily fit this.
but SE is full throttle on FFXIV mobile now so it's never happening

>>723734935
>an entire weekend wasted troubleshooting
welcome to PC gaming.

>>723747159
depends on how populated you want your server, and what languages you want them speaking. I used to play on carbuncle and it was JP/EN and with a minor FR group

>>723747159
Ideally ask someone here for a gold world pass to their server, so at least you know there's someone cool on that server. The two most populated servers are currently closed.

Odin is a close third in terms of population, try that one if you don't care.

>>723747610
what's a populated NA server

>>723748035
anyone got an odin world pass?

>>723748076
https://www.ffxiah.com/database

>>723748185
I know that there are a few anons that have posted about playing on Odin before but your best bet might be to check the XI general on uh... vr? vm? one of the sub boards I forget where. Just don't read too much of the thread, it's been partially hijacked by private server freaks.

well?

I procrastinated moving to Bahamut for too long fuk

>>723749405
it's over for you bro they haven't even hinted at when they'll unlock them

is gold pass needed, seems like a huge bonus

my old character from 2005 is long gone because I lost all the information to retrieve it so many years ago. Wish I could view my friends list again. I miss my bros Redfury, Karunungan and Zul. Still remember their names but not much else, I played a lot with them and was in their linkshell.

I made a new one in 2012 when I started playing again and still have its info but I haven't played it since like 2015 or 16 again, shit that was almost a decade ago now. Funny enough I tried logging on last year just to check it out again during a free trial period and all the friends I had from that era were offline and hadn't played in years too.

>>723726446
>>723726371
updates, yes, but they're not very large anymore, and no new expansions since seekers of aldouin over a decade ago.

>>723738017
I played it for years back then and even for me my highest level was like 69. Leveling up to 75 back then was HARD.

I had almost every job at lvl. 40-50 though, instead of just rushing a job to 75 I just played pretty much everything. I never really did end-game stuff until I played it again years later on a new character.

The nice thing about FFXI today is you can level up from 1-99 solo using the trust system, and after that there's still partying with other players for capacity points.

>>723749202
Elvaanussy

>>723727456
Cause it's all just middle-aged people who have been playing it since college in 2004.

>>723743679
XIV is like 90% trannies, genderqueers, and other shitheads who are so fucking gay and annoying you just never want to be near them and fuck if you have to talk to them.

It's unfortunate that the game hard filters people so often, because it's still the best MMO out there. You have to commit some time to getting used to the controls, configuration, interacting with the world and not jumping (lol) but it's well worth the investment. XIV trannies especially will seethe pretty hard when they see opinions that are "good" about XI because they're all still stuck in their first MMO honeymoon phase and feel threatened by anyone playing anything other than their game.

>>723752516
It's nice but no, not really, you'll get enough EXP bonus items without it.

see pc is superior

>>723753665
Every time I think about getting back into 11, I remind myself of the shit tier ui designed for a controller by Japs and a community that will ostracize you for not downloading a million mods like wow.

>>723754493
People use mods in 11?

what's the starting out new stuff they added?

>>723754551
Only a handful of "important" ones--namely GearSwap off the to pof my head which could be seen as essential for endgame with other people
SE implemented their own gear swap macro book years later, but it pales in comparison to how GearSwap can react and swap gear on the fly depending on what is being cast or what you're being hit with

>>723754493
Are you thinking of another game? because the XI ui is fairly clean and easy to navigate and the community certainly doesn't care what you do.

>>723725540 (OP)
I still hear the music... PlayOnline... XI... home...
I played 22 years ago anon... don't call me old :(

>>723755378
The nested aero-like rounded rectangles is definitely made in mind for PS2 controllers. There was a reason you could macro on PS2.

>>723754493
>Every time I think about getting back into 11, I remind myself of the shit tier ui designed for a controller by Japs
>>723753463
>and a community that will ostracize you for not downloading a million mods like wow.
Literally never happens and there's not a single situation in game where anyone could tell you don't have an addon installed.

>>723755871
it's time to come back anon

>>723755871
Why do PS2 games look so good

>>723756293
games were made by straight, male, passionate nips who worked 80 hour work weeks.

>>723755871
Man this was always my hidden spot back in the day where I'd go to chill
Not many people would ever go there
It was eerily quiet and I was always expecting some high level NM or monster to appear and fuck me up, but the scenery and ambience made it so relaxing

>>723725540 (OP)
TWO ffxi threads in one day? what is going on?
is xiv down or something?

>>723756293
passion, video games used to be made by people who wanted to create something beautiful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxxuMo_H6Y0

Someone tried to groom me on this game.

>>723756614
Reminder that more than half of these would only happen under specific conditions, some a lot more exact than others
More likely than not a lot never were seen by people, making it all the more special when you saw them

>>723756530
Because everyone whose ever played XI wants to get isekai'd into vana'diel and we're all trying to make it happen.

>>723756530
what was the other one

>>723749202
Lilisette or Iroha, tough choice.

>>723756267
I dont wanna ruin my old memories. Same reason I never played WoW classic despite having played vanilla WoW myself 2004-2005.
>>723756293
Limited resources breeds creative uses.
>>723756453
Same


I shamefully admit I also alpha and beta tested FFXIV in 2010... I dont think I have those screenshots due to a hard drive crash... but I definitely have my 1.0 screenshots...

>>723757006
you and me both frendo

>>723752790
>no new expansions since seekers of aldouin over a decade ago.
True, but this is because the other stuff is "add-ons". They literally decided that an expansion means new jobs and new jobs means expansion after people felt weird about the gameplay content of Chains. Voracious Resurgence is only 2 years old.

>>723756293
they couldn't just invoke reality 1:1 with photoscanned rock textures and 50 filters, they had to try to invoke some kind of an emotion from you

>>723757006
Diabolos spirits you away but it's to Dynamis and now you're fighting beastmen for an eternity.

>>723725540 (OP)
Just enjoy the story with trusts, there's no point in rushing to the endless grind endgame.

>>723757021
>>723745824

>>723757085
>I shamefully admit I also alpha and beta tested FFXIV in 2010
Even though I barely remember, I must have done so, too, since when I logged back in to FFXIV a few years ago, I noticed I had the legacy tattoo

I haven't played XI in a couple years and it's actually not even installed on my computer right now, but I still pay my monthly sub just because I love that XI exists and want to do my little part to help it continue existing.

>>723743679
The post MSQ for endwalker was piss and dawntrail has been shit. They have done nothing in the past 16 months to make it better.

>>723749202
aphmau or yve'noille

>>723756293
soul

>>723757410
>but I still pay my monthly sub just because I love that XI exists and want to do my little part to help it continue existing.
Based king, I /kneel. I considered doing that myself but I'm pretty poor off moneywise. I wonder how common that sentiment is seeing it posted here. It's also why I can't stand the idea of private servers.

>>723757531
Always loved sea

I remember taking a boat somewhere and someone fished up some creature that killed us all

>>723757531
*drops on you*

>>723757006
Imagine getting isekai'd to vana'diel and dying day 1 to a trash mob

>>723757531
>>723757579
I loved Sea but can you compare it to the first time you entered Sky? Before I walked out there, I had only seen one tiny picture of genbu's platform on allakhazam. It was amazing.

>>723757671
It's okay, homepoints exist.

>>723757671
Am I getting isekai'd into Vana'diel before my character existed in it? Or am I brought to the moment my character first existed in 2003?

No other game has had as much influence on my life than FFXI.

My dad bought it for me in Times Square toys r us when we went on a trip to NYC (I lived in PA about an hour away). I miss the era in which I could just walk into a video game store and look around and see something that was cool that I wanted and could just buy it based on that alone. I was so impressed by the massive box it came in, it came with the HDD and internet adapter thing so you could play it online.

The only FF game I played before XI was X, I was a Nintendo kid growing up so I didn't get exposed to the other FF games.

But that game truly changed me for the worse honestly. It became an addiction, it was like crack. It's all I wanted to do, play FFXI. I didn't have friends and the few I could have had I alienated, my entire social life was on FFXI, that's where my real friends were, the people I didn't even know who I played with every day. My grades in high school started cratering, I didn't give a shit I just played FFXI. My dad was too busy working his job all day and my mom didn't pay enough attention to care, so FFXI was my life.

I have such a deep nostalgia for it to this day, and many regrets. Eventually I was so addicted to the game I decided enough was enough and I /shout in Jeuno, gave away everything I could on my character and logged off without so much as saying bye to my friends, though by that point some of them had already quit the game too.

I still regret that, used to keep me up at night sometimes because in the years after I lost the notepad where I wrote down all the information for my login, character id, password, the credit card addresses and whatnot so I wouldn't be able to recover my character even if I wanted to. Years later I always wanted to just log on again and see what happened to my friends and if they still played, though I could see their names on FFXIAH years later and most of them stopped playing around the same time I did.

>>723757592
The past decade and some change of MMOs have convinced me we've overextended on quality of life. Because I also remember something like that from over two decades ago, like it happened only a couple years ago. I remember being a 40ish WHM, I remember the JP PLD who fished up Sea Horror was in mostly AF so he was higher level and /anon, I put up party invite after he started losing and we were able to take it down before it killed the low levels just trying to take a boat from Selbina to Mhaura. I never even saw that dude again but I hope he's having a good time.

>>723757705
my first time seeing hall of the gods was genuinely breathtaking
it isn't even impressive in retrospect, just a rad feeling
even after playing a lot, xi still had such a mystery to it that i really don't feel in any other game

I remember a couple years ago a new executive producer took over and clearly really loved the game and said they were gonna take a gap year to train devs and work on backend and then come out and do real content updates again. Not just recoloring Bahamut and calling it Chaos or something. Then like weeks later the higherups told him "lolno" and he had to take it back. Probably because the company was trying to railroad people onto Dawntrail. Fuck SE.

>>723758163
Quality of Life is the antithesis of fun

>>723758395
XI was one of the last gasps of Square before the merger happened and everything went to shit
SE has never made a good game in 20 something years

>>723758258
Hall of the gods was fantastic, it has a really good use of water, feels really mysterious.

>>723756614
I don't recognize this area, anyone know?

>>723759275
pashow S

>>723759275
>>723759462
Now that I think about it, that could be rare weather because every time I've visited the zone it's been rainy or cloudy.

>>723759462
>>723759791
Did I have to go there for the WoTG main story? My first boomer moment not instantly recognizing a place in game even though I played at least 9 year from 2003

>>723759909
It may depend on which nation you chose, I assume both sandy and bastok go there but windurst probably doesn't.

>>723757380
Also means you subbed at least 3 months I think.

>>723759791
It's always cloudy rainy in the present, but in the past it will clear up.

>>723760104
That pic has more soul than the entiriety of Dawntrail.

>>723757085
1.0 did a lot wrong, which is a shame because it could've shaped up to be XI 2.0
Even in the beta forums, people were making valid complaints that SE seemingly ignored to their doom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ufS7LaYVC8
The patching music/Ul'Dah's theme still remains such a nostalgic piece that I'm sad is gone now

>>723760265
1.0, despite copy pasted areas, still resonated XI a lot. It's just too bad they fucked up on the graphics/LoD and using some shitty engine whose name I forgot, that was obviously made for single player games, since you were stuck in menus just like XI if you had a shit connect or the server was crapping itself.

XI in the 2000s and then XIV in 2010-12... like tears in rain

>>723760431
same. I was around for Dalamud. Different times.

>>723760431
>>723760495
>>723760625
I liked XIV 1.0, for all its flaws, because I understood and embraced XI's flaws by that point as well. They did fuck up a lot, but there was a lot of soul in there too. I don't really know what I wish would've happened. I just wanted XI 2.0 with better graphics but it wasn't what the rest of the world wanted I guess.

>>723760431
There were a lot of valid complaints with 1.X and an insulting amount of them were ignored to make ""Fixes"" like adding jumping because WoW players needed to spam the button as a stim. Also entirely reworking the combat, then entirely reworking the combat, and then entirely reworking the combat. I actually liked 1.X, including things like the levequest limits, there just wasn't enough of it. It felt like a demo that came taped to a magazine with the whopping 2 dungeons and 1 hamlet defense.

>>723760495
I did not resonate XI whatsoever, most of the mechanics either went against the precedent XI set or were cheap chinese-made imitations of them. It was made by a team that at best read a review of FFXI that had been translated into latin.

>>723760625
Same, anon
Was a little sad because the server was so congested that my friends that were trying to make it in for the final few hours couldn't
What a send off though
The GM led raids to repel imperials from the city, monsters spawning and wrecking havoc in Ul'Dah, to the last desperate and utterly hopeless battle against the Imperials on the field until there was an eerie silence while the game went offline
And then the trailer drop
Genuinely kino presentation

>>723760431
I always remember how they handled farming Moogle EX for 1.18 or whatever it was at the time as having interesting ideas and no way to implement them well. You had to get past a bunch of level 90 treants who aggro to sound, which means you just toggle \ and go into walk mode, easy. Except the servers were both shit and in Japan so if you weren't on that fucking island you would sometimes get a lag spike and your character would stop, register where your client was when it recovers, and then run to get to that spot. So the first week of Moogle was a conga line of endgame prog people and every so often one or two dudes would get a lag spike and instantly die and need a raise. So many times you'd have to sit on boss portal for weakness to recover because so many people died to a slightly laggy night.

when are they remaking xi

>>723727273
glad they got rid of that cancerous leveling meta that existed when the game was still new. fuck that shit

>>723761118
soon

>>723761118
>upscale and remake a bunch of assets from FFXI like monsters and armor
>make an alliance raid where you can justify starting on a dozen zones or so
>show to the executives that you already have about 30% of your assets finished just from all the shit FFXIV cribbed
This is my cope. And it's also why I encourage XIV to take more things from XI, by all means, make justifying a remake even cheaper.

>>723761318
Oh? When was this posted?
I remember around some 7-8 years ago their were very adamant about remaking/remastering XI being an impossible task that the higher ups had no support for

It's weird how much I hate 14 now. I loved it for a long time, warts and all. I started during 1.0 because I was young and retarded and thought that it being really demanding on your system somehow made it a better game so when I saw a bunch of poorfags get filtered and get mad I wanted it. I feel like each expansion was 2 steps forward and two steps back for a long time, until Shadowbringers was only 1 step forward but still 2 steps back and since then it hasn't taken one step forward at all. I went from enthusiastically throwing thousands of hours of my life at that game to now actively looking down on anyone who has anything nice to say about it. 11 changed a lot over the years too, and it was always awkward which is how we have so many different fast travel systems mushed together when the game was disgned without one in the first place, but it still feels classic. The shift into the item level era was huge and made large chunks of the game as you work your way to that point really odd to play through, but none of these changes ever felt like a real betrayal. They were misguided, but they tried.

is this game easy to understand? i want to try an mmo but i dont want to get bullied :( last time i tried one i got ignored and everybody was already in groups it was so awkward in ffxviv

>>723761962
If you were too retarded for literal "Babies first MMO, now with even more woman friendly features" then you will not enjoy 11 and should probably just stick to phone games if we're being honest.

>>723762038
no need for name calling it was a genuine question.

>>723761962
This game is esoteric as hell, but it's also entirely soloable because it's 23 years old and nobody new can really get into endgame groups without some obscene autistic grind to not even catch up but at least not be totally left behind. If you want to play the stories and suck shit until you figure it out then you could, they give you strong NPCs to fight for you. But you will absolutely not be doing endgame.

>>723762112
It was a genuine answer. A big part of why 14's subscription numbers are at historic lows is that it has become more and more of a Fischer-Price toy. They talk about it in interviews.

>>723761962
It's both simple and complex. It's old so you'll need to learn the keybinds to do things, but many jobs are just target-ctrl+a and that's it until you weapon skill. Casters require a lot more knowledge of how the game works mechanically. That said, modern retail has trusts which will just carry you through everything.

>>723762231
you didnt need to call me a retard :((

>>723762231
>A big part of why 14's subscription numbers are at historic lows
anon who gets really hard when he lies on the internet

>>723761861
https://gamerescape.com/2025/07/04/we-asked-producer-yoji-fujito-11-questions-about-the-past-present-and-future-of-final-fantasy-xi/
July of this year. Even with the game up right now in popularity due to the FFXIV raids, the boost is only temporary and SE knows this.
they've made it clear over the last 10 years they don't want this game to be gone forever. They had the FFXI R mobile game but that development fell through in 2021.
If I had to guess, they have something planned and would maybe reveal it for the 25th anniversary in 2027.

>>723761118
>asking for a monkey pawn after seeing what happened to FF7 remake

I finished the post msq of shb. And there's just 0 chance this game hits any of the peaks that 14 does

>>723725540 (OP)
the greatest and most ambitious final fantasy game...

>>723761962
It's >>723762214, even people who have 40,000 hours in the game still need to look shit up on the wiki and still learn new things. It's easy to get started in but takes a lot to progress through, but the fun is that everyone is in the same boat of having to figure out how to understand it.

>>723762532
>If I had to guess, they have something planned and would maybe reveal it for the 25th anniversary in 2027
I wouldn't bet on it, for the 25th anniversary of ff9 a lot of people were expecting some announcement of a remaster/ remake and all SE announced was...some merch. That was it.

>>723762532
I don't know what their problem is, it still makes a profit, especially considering like 2 people work on maintaining it now. I guess we can't expect much from a company that even starves their golden goose.

>>723725540 (OP)
Played the story all the way through last year for the first time. Amazing game.

>>723762532
>>723762683
For the 20th anniversary FFXI got a website with interviews and that was it. For it's 21st anniversary it was put on maintenance mode.

The story goes that it was supposed to get a mobile game for the 20th anniversary, one that was teased years in advance, but that was cancelled so it got nothing.

Ballista is the only pvp in an MMO I really enjoyed. I'd show up to 60 cap whenever I could, since uncapped was an unbalanced mess when people started farming KClubs.

>>723762827
Are those screenshots from the mobile game? They look good.

>>723762480
anybody who can't see xiv is at its nadir is a cultist.

female ninja sexxo
female rdm sexxo

>>723762948
It was nexon though so it was never going to be actually good. If nothing else they farmed out the FFVII remake to cyberconnect at first until they ended that contract and did it in house, maybe the same will happen with XI. Clearly there's at least some level of interest to do so, but only at a mobile level is rough.

>>723762827
>https://automaton-media.com/en/news/square-enix-considered-ending-final-fantasy-11-in-2024-but-player-interest-was-high-enough-to-keep-it-alive-even-after-20-years/
>However, as the title’s 20th anniversary approached, the dev team received “a lot of support” from players requesting for FFXI to be continued in the long term. Above all, Fujito emphasizes, players were still logging in and playing the MMORPG. “We thought, if The Voracious Resurgence wrapped up and FFXI clearly started losing its momentum, then maybe we really should prepare to end it. But that didn’t happen. I took this as a sign that we should keep running the game.”

It's not officially in maintenance mode according to SE, as it still receives monthly updates and just had a mid-size update earlier this year implementing race changes, content revamping, and entirely new server infrastructure. After the FFXIV raid finishes, if the numbers start to drop off quick, is probably when they'll stop updating the game.

>>723762948
Now imagine: Nexon's plan was to turn it into a fucking card collecting battle game
Unironically don't understand how it even got to such a point and it really highlights how little involvement the team had (despite saying they were overseeing development)
Either the people overseeing it didn't actually give a shit or they actually didn't have much involvement like they said they did

>>723749202
There is only one real choice.
Although FFXI is filled to the brim with waifus. I think it has a higher percentage than any other game out there.

>>723743679
>What happened?

>>723763405
Now imagine: Nexon's plan was to turn it into a fucking card collecting battle game

I would still play it.

>>723763119
This, graphics aside it was never going to be good and we should be glad it never came to fruition.

>>723763595
It's just crazy to me how they had to have had some idea how a mobile XI MMO could work with their attempt with FFXI:Grandmasters
We never saw it globally, but it was an instance based open field game where you could engage mobs out in the fields (including rare NM spawns), which would start a more classic final fantasy fight against the mob that either your party members or other random players could join to fight and get experience/drops
The downside was the game was incredibly predatory with jobs and spells/skills being tired to armor and weapons (which is where the gacha element came into play)
Still, as a concept it was neat

>>723763912
I do have to wonder why there aren't more quality mobile games being created. Whether you like Genshin and similar titles or not they clearly show freemium games are very capable of attracting customers and you own a popular franchise ready to be used.

>>723762706
no you don't understand it's good business sense to spend billions of dollars developing gacha phone games that we just close down after a year anyway

>>723764251
developing quality mobile titles takes too much time and effort, it's better to just make shitty low effort cash grabs and shut them down in a year when they aren't an instant breakout success. we have no idea why our company financials suck btw.

>>723764775
Yeah SE do be retarded.

Well I have to say it's been a nice thread, thanks for all the nostalgia
If anyone is ever interested in trying retail or just revisiting the game, keep an eye out for the "Return Home" campaigns that happen every 3 or 4 months where you can login free for a few weeks
It's the best time to get help or even start playing with other new players

>>723761918
it's time to come back to 11

>>723725540 (OP)
Bittersweet victory since everything is much easier by this point in time thanks to QoL updates as well as the trust system compared to how ball bustingly hard it was in 2005 where even Valkrum Dunes would stop people in their place leveling up past level 10-12 til about 18ish.

>>723739104
>horizonxi.com
Holy fuck, still no Treasures of Aht Urgan?
Bleak

>>723766197
People should be supporting the actual game not private server trannyism anyways.

i thought everyone in XI got killed by the asteroid or something, how is it still getting regular updates/content

>>723739104
It's not set in 2006, it has a ton of non-era changes because the GM wants his favorite class strong and a bunch of others nerfed. Also the server is 2 years old and run by cliques.

>>723765998
It's still just as hard, just in different ways.

>>723757006
Painfully true.

>>723766325
Not going back to ilvl XI, I would go back to 75 cap pre Abyssea XI. That's all.

>>723767243
I've since forgiven them for Abyssea because they thought the game was going to die and they were going into maintenance mode.

>>723767357
They could have smartened the fuck up and just launched a vanilla 75 cap server. Guaranteed 5k subs right there.

>>723767558
No one would play it, we all love 75 cap XI but it's gone, forever, there is no bringing it back and there is no re-living it. Accept XI for what it is today and enjoy it.

>>723762590
?
The best action RPG combat system ever created?

This game is TOO beautiful. Half of my playtime has just been me standing there and going holy shit. I feel unworthy. Like it was only meant for 100 year old ascended monk eyes

i impulse bought it on sale on steam and played it for 15 min and didn't stick with it, mostly because i didn't have a controller back when i bought it. i wonder how easy it would be to recover my account with the cd-key and e-mail.

>>723768669
SOVL OVERLOAD

>>723725540 (OP)
When my family went shopping I always went to the videogame section and the box of this game would catch my eye everytime and I'd read through the back. I never bought and played the game, feels like I missed out.

>>723768397
Only if you have never played ARPGs

>>723767860
Obviously false given the amount of people(thousands) who play on slop private servers.

>>723769120
>I never bought and played the game, feels like I missed out
I have to be honest here and say yes you really did miss out.

>>723769412
They wouldn't pay a sub fee to play it, they primarily play on private servers because >>723766514. Private servers are not 1:1 either, all of them include multiple forms of "QoL" and a host of hilarious OC donut steel changes, these people are not interested in playing 75 cap XI, they are interested in stroking their ego. They couldn't cheat their way to 75 and give their friends free shit behind the scenes on retail.

>>723768669
I really need to get a camera addon and go on a victory lap once I'm caught up.

>>723769616
1000% wrong. 95% of those players absolutely would pay a sub fee. Old school MMORPGs attract a special kind of autism. You don't just play that type of game because it's free on private servers, that's not how that works.
In addition, anyone that's actually played FFXI private servers knows that even today, they are still missing 80% of content from Retail, and the content that is available is incredibly inaccurate.
SE supposedly hasn't kept snapshots of that era of the game, but the modern game is still based on those snapshots, and they could easily recreate it if they wanted, it's just clearly not determined to be profitable for them. Otherwise, they'd have done it.

>>723769038
should be on your square enix account with whatever email you used

>>723769959
You are delusional my friend, I love XI as much as anyone but I can plainly see that an official 75 cap server would die out in a week.

Private server players don't want to play retail.

>>723770064
yeah i checked but it says i have no ffxi/play account which is weird because it's the only e-mail i was using back when i bought the game, so it must be lost to the fuckass awful system they had back then and i didn't bother to write any of it down

>>723769616
They absolutely will pay a sub fee. Especially for a complete game unlike the incomplete jank of pservers.

>>723769959
>You don't just play that type of game because it's free on private servers, that's not how that works.
They play it for free on private servers because they are egotistical, this anon brought it up >>723766514 but it's less about enjoying XI and more about Ego for this crowd of people. Sure, you have the timmies and tommies that just want to try it out but the main players, the people who stick around for years at a time, are a special breed of autist. They want to esportsify the game, they want to min max it, they want to control it to stoke the fires of their ego. They aren't going to randomly help you finish your genkai or guide you through yuhtunga for fun, they want to rush to endgame, cheat for gil, and control everything.

This breed of person does not want to play retail. It's not localized within XI either, you see this with the WoW private server playerbase as well. The difference there is that WoW classic is popular because it's a themepark whereas FFXI "classic"is the fucking oregon trail. A proper 75 cap official server would fail because there simply would not be enough players to fulfill the requirements needed for the systems to work.

>>723770418
sorry, you're just wrong, and that's ok. every private server classic player would pay money easily over inconsistent, broken slop servers. just a fact, and anyone in the private server community knows

>>723770418
Because retail is 99 cap and nothing like 75 cap? Hello?

>>723770694
see, >>723770723 you're just wrong

>>723770723
>>723770728
Please return to your /vm/ thread and keep your autism there, this was a nice thread for comfyposting.

>>723725540 (OP)
based game but honestly play a private server, at least a few of them are more alive than the real game which is long abandoned, and pservers are usually free or at least have no subscription fee.

>>723770792
did you uninstall fantasyfisher yet? you wont be needing it anymore

>>723770773
They play it because it's free and because it's "broken", they don't care about authenticity. These servers are not authentic on purpose you know.

>>723769890
I look forward to your screenshot posting anon, I lost most of mine over the years.

>>723770936
having random ecelebs saved is very gay

i saw they offered a free trial on their own web store and it wouldn't take my square membership passowrd for no reason and it killed all my motivation to try to play retail, fixing shit like this should be #1 on their list of things to do to make people wanna play this game because holy shit having to juggle 30 different fucking accounts is retarded

>>723768551
Really loved how they handled the early part of CoP. The Promyvions are dark and empty and bleak, but then you beat all three and are immediately transported to Lufaise Meadows with that amazing soundtrack.

>>723771254
if i remember correctly at some point they have you make an extra account and that's what bungles the whole thing up for people, really though there's a guide you can follow (lmao) if you need help

>>723771360
Riverne is one of my favorite places, I wish there were more screenshots of it floating around.

>>723770430
well just start a new one it doesn't really change anything

>>723771360
I love all of CoP but I'll always remember our BLM casting thundaga at the same exact time that Tenzen did his insta-lose skillchain, and even though he got his ability off the thundaga still killed him, so we all spawned dead in al teaiu after the cutscene.
Promy music was great though. Doing the whole thing pre-guides and farming up all the helper items and everything was great.

>>723725540 (OP)
Would, if they got rid of PlayOnline and ported it to latest gen consoles

Thanks to this thread I'm going to do my monthly logging on to do my two aman troves, get fucked over by RNG, and then not play until the monthly reset again.

Asking $11.95 per month for a ps2 game should be a crime

>>723771846
epam ring bro trust me

>>723771936
when do I get spells as BLM, I'm just beating things to death with my stick

>>723771994
you have to buy scrolls and use them to learn spells, do so from a vendor because the auction house is overpriced

>>723771936
In XI you are level locked to learn a spell, and then you have to go to spell NPC or auction house to buy the scroll and actually learn it. You should be able to cast rock at level 1 and then you get some of the other basic elements through level 20, after which the class finally gets a little sophisticated.

>>723771994
You can also check the wiki and see which enemies drop spell scrolls as loot, learning the basic spells with >>723772128 is good at the start, later you'll play as other classes and can farm spell drops.

>>723727273
Really late on this, but they locked Asura and Bahamaut for new characters on retail to encourage people to spread out.

>>723725806
>>723730117
>>723732752
Ayurveda is good for your mind and soul, reject the Christ, saar.

Wow I never played this one, but remember reading about it in my ps2 magazines. And to think it's still going is crazy. I always wanted to try it, I didn't have a way to hook up online. Maybe I should all these years later

To this day Blue Mage and Puppetmaster remain the most engaging MMO classes I've played. With PUP I never got into the real autistic nitty gritty but I remember people who probably would have been serial killers if not for this game put up obscenely long articles on like allakhazam and killingifrit about how you can subtly control the puppet just by adding in a single several tens of million gil attachment and using a 60% chance water maneuver every 45 seconds or some shit.

>>723771936
I'd also recommend not to start the game with a magic class since soloing with magic at low levels isn't the best way to start the game
-Warrior
-Monk
-Thief
These 3 classes are more beginner friendly and Thief has the added bonus of increasing item drop chances.

>>723773101
RDM and WHM is fine since trusts will carry you all the way.. BLM I would not recommend as the job just isn't very good or wanted for over a decade now except for one very specific fight.

how do I manage my inventory? I'm 30/30 already

>>723773172
I'd recommend riding Thief all the way first since it means better and more item drops along the way that will fund other classes
Bard is an excellent class to unlock first and will hard carry most trust parties since you only need to spam 3 songs to win nearly all story content

>>723773385
If they're not sorted go into items by pressing square on a playstation controller or I think the - key on keyboard, clicking items, then going to auto sort. That should make sure everything stacks by itself. If it's stacked you can just toss garbage, which at low level will be most mob drops. Keep the crystals.

>>723725540 (OP)
this game has the worst gui of anything i've ever played

>>723773385
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Inventory_101

vendor shit you don't need, unlock /sack and /case asap

>>723773480
how do you change classes?

>>723773385
Go to town
Sell unwanted items
Gain a little Gil
Go back to farming monsters and leveling
Later on buy furniture for your house and store items you want to keep

>>723773648
You change classes by talking to the Moogle in your home

>>723773101
>>723773172
BLM is the fastest starter job to get you from 1 to 60 and Shadow Lord cleared, followed by RDM. BLM has little utility in post-99 content, so if you go that way, you’ll want to stop it at 50 to use as a Warp sub. RDM will pretty much carry you through the entire game, if you’re willing to sit down and learn how your buffs and debuffs work.

>>723773585
One of the few games that actively discourages using a mouse as well, it's a fascinating Japanese boomer design era. They said you either use a controller or you use a keyboard, and it should be full sized.

>>723773727
what the fugg is this am I going to die

>Rhapsodies gives a bunch of very useful goodies and bonuses for new players
>The story content is a complete sequence break for new players
Thanks I hate it.

>>723774056
soon friend, soon

>>723774056
That’s Atomos letting you know that shit is about to get real weird at some point.

>>723774056
I believe those teleport you to one of the expansions, it's been so long but avoid those until level 50 and you have a full Trust party
Good gear and leveling with that DLC but it will absolutely stop you if you access it too soon

>>723773727
To add on to what you're saying if you do your first real job as rdm for endgame you're basically required to give e-blowjobs in exchange for some omen boss kills.

But that won't be for quite a while.

>>723774550
chestmaxxing

>>723774550
Back in the day when this dumb shit came out people would do level grinding parties where the high levels would kill shit and the low levels getting boosted would be relegated to lockpicking duty for chests.

>>723774687
Wish I had some picking niggers

>>723772753
what the FUCK does this mean

>>723774980
>he doesn't know

>tfw haven't played in like 20 years
>used to farm Optical Hats for people on my BST/WHM
>made a ton of gil
>got into goldcrafting or whatever it's called
>started making scorpion harnesses
>made even more gil
>eventually got my MNK to the highest levels of endgame
>did Sea and Sky and all of that crap
>had the cool artifact gear
Fuck... I kind of want to go back but I'm not sure I'd be able to recover my character. I was on Alexander in the CLAIMED linkshell.

>>723775505
should be on your square account

>>723774980
>what the FUCK does this mean
These 2 classes had lots to unlock and a wide variety on how you could play the class based on the gear/skills you collected, with the right setup there were some OP combinations

Glad i've got myself a time machine for this purpose. The disintegration hardcap is annoying but 4 hours a day is better than none hours a day.

what's this shit

>>723776534
Basically free small benefits, that moogle shoes if you /rest for 2-3 seconds you'll get a 20% move speed buff for like 30 seconds.

>>723725806
Both are gone now :(

Decided to update my game for the first time in a couple months and use my exp rings to level up a little, thanks OP. Gameplay still really clicks after about level 60 when basically everyone can do cool stuff.

>>723776274
Saved

>>723776534
If you were on my server I'd drop by and give you some spending money

>>723777413
which one are you on

>played 2004-2010
>finished college
>started again in 2014
>played 4 or 5 months every year until 2021
>finished Almace, nearly finished Tizona
>farmed some Malignant pieces solo and haven't been back since
I'm getting the itch.

>>723777629
it's time to come back

I could never get into this game. The UI and controls are so ridiculously bad.

can you play this on steamdeck?

>>723779309
It would be incredibly akward

>>723779332
for you

What's the best class (job) overall

>>723781118
Bard, just stand back and buff your allies with 2 songs and debuff your enemies with 2 songs.

>>723781193
4 or 5 in retail.

>>723781118
In 2005? Red Mage
In 2025? Geomancer

>>723781295
I'm pretty sure it's 2 songs/spells for allies and enemies, just keep spamming the same 4 songs in order to keep them applied/refreshed.

>>723781360
bard can now apply up to 4 songs at a time to their party normally, a 5th with their 1hour. they also get a few ultimate weapon only songs

>>723781360
What >>723781456 said, also you can apply an unlimited amount of debuff songs it was balanced around originally it being hard to land more than 2 consistently but it's super easy now, admitedly as a consequence however on 1 sometimes 2 debuff songs are worth it.

>>723781456
>>723781548
Dang, so they made the lazy class even easier?
>>723781118 Definitely go Bard, let your party do all the work.
Go /NIN if you want to contribute some damage
Go /THF if you want to increase party item drop chance
Go /WHM if you want to assist with heals

>>723725806
I miss this guy

>>723781597
So two things it's actually far less lazy now simply because the jank way you have to get your other two songs for.

I'll try to make it simple but you have to use macros to snapshot that you can have 4 songs up instead of the two limit, this gives them shit potency and shit duration. You then have to recast them all in your real gear. So if you just have a melee party and don't have to do mage songs or other conditional songs for one person you're spending about a 3rd of your time singing. If you have to get mages about 1/2. It can also be tough to know what durations on songs you got on different people and if any one of them ever fully drop the song you have to do this no pun intended song and dance all over again.

Also until about 6 months ago I'd never tell someone to start bard. This is because you essentially required two ultimate weapons that require weeks at a time of work and several 100m of gil to obtain both. And people tend not to invite brd if they don't have these two.

However Square enix gave out this May a bonanza weapon kupon that allows even a level 1 to get the cchoice of a special weapon (it isn't an ultimate weapon but they are all unique, though some are uniquely bad). One is called miracle cheer and it allows relatively high song potency (a gjalla/luna will beat it) and it sets all song durations to 15minutes which is longer than any duration gear you can get in the game by a wide margain.

People been using that horn everywhere for near characters or dual boxes.

>>723726371
>regular updates
It gets one piece of new recycled content about every two years at this point, and they're very bare bones. The Limbus rebuilt released a few months ago was fucking embarrassing, despite giving us some new AF/relic+4 to grind.

>>723781118
BRD overall i guess, almost always a necessary slot in any party comp. Behind that is probably SCH or RDM, WHM is very close in that pool too. Though there's many more jobs below that are just as needed depending on content

Huge pain in the ass to get BRD up to par though unless you lucked into >>723781947 a few months ago, the others are much easier to get running and rewarding a long the way while brd is more like a long grind to get a huge increase in your utility

>>723781295
It annoys me to no end that BRD's song mechanic never got nerfed ever since the introduction of the Emp which allows additional songs. And the whole resinging exploit which allows you to resing your entire 4 songs but now with the other Relic equipped, so they're all fully boosted.

Meanwhile COR is still stuck playing RNG with only two rolls with a cooldown inbetween them, unless you get an XI.

>>723782094
Preaching to the choir here, I play both. I know both jobs struggles, hell I only picked up BRD because every nigga on Odin has a pocket COR and they don't want to bring too many.

>>723782094
Honestly the awful part is that its such a core part of the job now to have those 4 songs, along with 1, now 2 specific songs(that are also their own grind to get) though you can get 3 songs very easily and still perform well enough for basic content. A long with the annoyance of just having to do the stupid dummy rotation, and praying people stay where they need to/dont die as that fucks the entire thing up

I'm just fine only having to worry about 2 rolls, sometimes 3 but that's usually a hit to DPS to rotate in and CORs become a pretty solid DD over the yrs Even if its largely just cause of savage blade being busted

>>723782061
It's not luck, SE literally gave everyone that logged in a free Kupon for the weapon. I'm pretty sure you can even still login and get the kupon.

>>723782270
Naegling go brrr

>>723782270
They either need to nerf BRD and adjust Odyssey mob stats to compensate for it, or buff the fuck out of my COR. The fuck there's an 8-buff limit between songs & rolls yet you can't max it out without stacking extra BRDs or CORs is beyond me.

>>723782278
Unless they put it back in it was just for the year anniversary and for a limited time, can't get the kupon anymore so yeah you had to luck in by playing around that period of time to get your freebie. Anyone logging in now has to deal with their 3~4m 3 songs

>>723782316
Still waiting for the day they hard nerf magian TP bonus so i can have the biggest laugh

From what I remember as a Bard in the days when I played was as long as you hasted the party and blinded/slowed the enemy with your songs then everyone wanted you on the team, very short party wait time and you'd enter a area alone and people would message you to join.
Even better was joining invasions from the DLC and standing in a corner singing and getting max participation/points/exp for doing nothing, you could go /BRD and level any class for free.

>>723782331
There's a reason you bring both and it kind of gets into how degenerate of a design it is. BRD is additive buffs typically (aka raw ratings) while COR is multiplicative (raw %age). This isn't without exceptions on both sides but this is why they create a feedback loop that gets degenerate quick.

It's also why typically if you can only bring one and don't need cor's personal damage it's typically BRD just simply because at low buffs additive is better.

>>723782278
That reminds me, I really need to use mine. So the Bard weapon is the de facto way to go then.

>>723782458
>There's a reason you bring both
No one brings COR+BRD any content worth a damn outside of Sortie, and that's only because Bolter's Roll is mandatory for 8boss runs of that.

>>723782458
That's mainly just cause BRD gives haste, that was always its real draw, and now it has Honor march which is haste + everything else, the minuets were secondary and honestly the madrigals could be more important though that depends just what your total buffs are

>>723782581
>COR gives 'haste' in the sense of delay reduction
>the delay reduction also reduces your TP received per swing so no one ever uses it

>>723726371
yeah i have gone back and forth thinking they might shut it down but nah its japans first MMO console mmo and no pso is not an mmo but pso is also peak. But yeah also its a number FF game so they wanna keep it intact. I am actually surprised they haven't done a classic version of the game.

>>723782547
Only cause Gaol means you might want a COR for 2nd KI, segs still use both, sortie already mentioned, everything else which is now "trash" content favors both etc. everywhere you can fit both theres little that stops sam/chaos/HM/min/min/mad or some other DD combo of songs.

If anything GEOs in a tough spot since their debuff bubbles are randomly nerfed anywhere from 30% to 90% cause SE didnt think about how busted +geomancy would become until way later.

>>723782784
No idea what the thought was with that beyond "we need to give COR haste, but not!" literally only use i ever got out of it was buffing a 0 dmg enspell RDM since TP dont matter then.

>>723782954
I really hate how shafted GEO gets in any HTNM. There's no fucking point even bringing them over literally any other class that deals damage.

>>723781118
Dancer

>>723783045
Not always, the debuff bubbles are still potent and are their own effect so that can sometimes be worth it on its own and its buff bubbles are still pretty busted so thankfully it's still a solid bufer. The jobs kit outside of bubbles is really lacking though if its not a nuke setup though. Can be an okay melee DPS but it's as awkward as it is for blm/sch since their melee gear is limited to 1-2 options per slot.

>>723783260
And they'll be in half-Bunzis anyways just for -DT so they don't get one-shotted by any AoE/nuke while in melee range.

>>723725540 (OP)
is there a reason they haven't done a classic version of the game? Or is it not as wanted like classic wow was?

>>723783540
I think the two guys in the SE Office Sub-Level 4 have enough on their plate with the current version.

>>723783540
SE is not known for good business decisions. Hell had this game not done well several times over it'd have likely been shut down in 14's early years. Now they have basically no staff that know how this engine even works, out of the question to make a classic server.

>>723783540
Too much work to recreate classic XI. The earliest backups they confirmed having, dated back to late-WotG, which was already well after the Dynamis overhaul.

>>723725696
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPiBrIXCiQE
A lesser considered casualty of the death of the MMO genre is that millennials will not have this. There's no worlds to explore and call home anymore.

>>723783758
they couldn't just copy the private server?

You can't go back.
Not even for a second.

It's quite sad really.

>>723784157
Are you not aware how fucking inaccurate XI private servers are, or how frequently their zones will crash?

>>723784157
Private servers are only partially complete(at best) and they've been at it for over a decade. Depending on where your definition of classic XI is AU/WotG are still largely unplayable.

It'd be like copying a bad copy of the actual product

>>723784340
I remember for the longest time one of the Pservers had been miscalculating damage, leading to players taking less damage than they did on the official servers.
And everyone complained when they considered changing it, so, they just kept the easier setting.

I'm an oldfag whose first mmo was Star Wars Galaxies (rest in peace) and then vanilla wow. I always wanted to try FFXII but I hate having to look at guides constantly to even know what you're supposed to do (one of the reasons I despise retail wow).

Can I play the game and have fun with a minimal amount of handholding or is it one of these games where you need a second monitor open at all times to progress in the game?

>>723784398
To be fair, classic XI def was borderline worthless because of cratio and just much higher mob atk if my memories right. So if there was one thing to fix it'd be that.

But last i looked at private servers all the formulas were fucked but its been many years

>>723784450
You still need a wiki open. At least nowadays you can play XI windowed in an official capacity, or just use Windower like everyone sane does.

Back in the day, if someone in town or your LS didn't have the answer, you either needed a laptop handy to look shit up, or play on PS2 with a PC nearby.

>>723784527
I remember a big noob trap was that 2 VIT = 3 Def, when in actuality VIT was used in calculations way more extensively than people realised.

But this was back before people datamined and wiki'd everything, so people just relied on tea leaves and gut feeling.

>>723784617
You couldn't really data mine shit beyond item stats in XI anyways, which doesn't even apply to augments of modern XI which are all server-side dictated.

It took a good decade of dedicated autistic research to decipher the underlying math of the server, and even then most of it is about 90% correct.

>>723725696
AC2 was the only mmo that did music before FF14 and I have no idea how anyone else didn't do it inbetween
>players could /music 1-10 and beatbox
>instruments from monster loot
it was cool!

>>723784617
It was more that as soon as you went above EM the mob had a innate dmg boost over you and you had a penalty. So on stuff like say sky gods or kings, etc. Unless you skyrocketed your def with cocoon/minnes, you're getting smacked for only a bit less than the mnk over there riding counterstance, it was retarded

I kinda wanna go back and try to finish the story. This is me and my dragon when I played a couple of years ago

>>723784340
the best one is horizon but yeah its not exact it has buffs and changes highly recommend if you want OG experience

>>723784450
Fuck yeah basically on my online games were PSO/WC3/FF11/SWG then WOW and all the other mmos in between but basically stuck with wow. Played on Bria and was fun dueling people and the whole learning to become a Jedi was really fun.

>>723743679
i play them both

I can hear every image posted.

>>723784739
LOTRO had instruments and music.

>>723726371
>more adoulin garbage, with ilevels and other cancer taken from XIV
Imagine playing the dead version of XI, and thinking it's still alive.

I hate you zoomers finding out about XI, so much. also
>private server poorfag ESLs