Thread 723747886

Is input reading ever good design?

>>723747886 (OP)
well, kinda, its the only way for enemies to know what you're doing. but there needs to be a delay to account for realistic reaction times. usually thats just a flat number, but you could incorporate various factors like distance, anything obscuring line of sight, orientation etc. to make it even more realistic. most devs dont which is why it can feel cheaty

>>723748227
fpbp

>>723749235
Seething fromshill

>>723747886 (OP)
It makes an already basic bitch combat system even more basic because now in additional to the general uselessness of most attacks, now you have to add in how easy it is for an input reading AI to counter.

"input reading" is a fake complaint for people to dumb to stop doing shit they get punished for

>>723747886 (OP)
I feel like it can actually be good and add to a fight, making it feel more dynamic, but Elden Ring doesn't do it very well, which ends up doing the opposite and making the game feel much more repetitive and "gamey"

>>723748227
>I will now read your browser history...AH?"?? My god.. *pukes* *dies*

hourly from seetheware thread

I mean yeah? A lot of fights in a lot of games don't function if the AI doesn't know what you're doing.
What you posted is doing it in a way that's utterly retarded though, don't get me wrong. That's not the fault of the concept at all though.

>same prepatch webm every fucking day
Fuck off, Chang. ER scene is long dead. Seethe about something more relevant next time.

>>723749916
This

For years people acknowledged that fighting games using input reading for the enemy AI was cheap and lazy design. I swear if FROM could somehow have rubberbanding in their games their retarded fans would defend it too.

>>723749916
>to dumb

>>723747886 (OP)
>enemies should be dumb and blind and not able to react to my action choices

>>723749235
AWW WITTLE ELDEY WELDEY IS BIG MAD!

>>723753563
input reading is a shorthand for input reading with zero delay
obviously all games with enemies use input reading, but they use good design to make it not feel like input reading. games that dont do this are bad

>>723753698
Most of the time you're locking on to enemies before attacking them. Blind firing with spells rarely happens outside of boss fights and ADS with a bow only happens for surprise attacks. There is no difference between instant input reading and normal input reading in Souls.

>>723754195
>There is no difference between instant input reading and normal input reading in Souls.
Yeah there is, one is instant the other is not dumbass

>>723755175
There is no difference in how it looks like retard, if you lock on to an enemy and shoot your bow it doesn't matter how fast the input is read, the enemy will dodge the same way.

>>723755447
Yeah except instantly, dumbass

>>723756014
>detect arrow fired
>dodge in 1 second
VS
>detect arrow within 5 metres
>dodge it instantly

How does the gameplay change?

Input reading general when?