Thread 723751405

Why cant a team of 10 nerdy friends make amazing games anymore?

This is all it took to make the greatest skateboarding games of all time.

The new Skate. has a 180 person team and a 9 figure budget and is unplayable.

What the fuck happened?

>>723751405 (OP)
They're called indies now, corporate projects don't accommodate that team structure anymore, preferring a more economically minded revolving door of cheap labor

>>723751802
>economically minded
>all these games flop and lose tens of millions

>>723751895
doesn't matter if one big hit makes a billion dollars, which is what they're aiming for
for the investors, it's essentially gambling
they put money into 10 projects, 9 fail with minimal (for them anyway) losses and one makes it all back and more
it's an extremely soulless way to approach an artistic medium

>>723752091
Xbox is about to pull out of the hardware game and EA got bought by Arabs. This Jew strategy isnt working.

>>723752168
I didn't say it worked well, I said that it's what people who only interact with the world through excel spreadsheets think has the best risk/reward ratio

>>723752168
>>723751895
What >>723752091 said, but also remember these are massive corporations with other revenue streams than game sales. If you can get 500 million dollars from BlackRock, DNC and other interests, then your 100 million dollar product failing still makes you 400 million dollars even if not a single person buys a copy.

That goes especially for corporations that have subscription services making them money, that's a continuous revenue stream that's unrelated to any product failing so they can afford to fail over and over and over again.

>>723752168
>EA got bought by Arabs.
>selling for the largest amount for a video game company is actually LEL BAD

>>723751405 (OP)
They do but these are either indies or total conversion mods.

>>723751405 (OP)
Funding. A small team like that still costs millions of dollars, and there's not a ton of appetite to fund that.

>>723752726
>If you can get 500 million dollars from BlackRock, DNC
That's not how that works at all
The other revenue streams are usually merchandising deals and the like, which are very significant and usually overshadow actual game sales
The political posturing is to get investors on board (this is literally the whole point of DEI and ESG, to help funds, like blackrock, pick stocks) but these guys expect a return on their investment, they don't give out shit for free
Government grants are a whole different beast and usually have some significant conditions attached

>>723753085
They bought FIFA, EA itself is a dead corpse

>>723753480
>FIFA
EA doesn't even own the right anymore and the EA Sports FC sold bellow expectations.

>>723753480
EA dont have FIFA license anymore

>>723751405 (OP)
Because they're paid to make mobileslop.

>>723753457
Merchandising and other product deals are a good thing to bring up. But like you said government grants are a thing and on top of that even investment firms have shown they're willing to take loses again and again, either making it up elsewhere or believing the politics are worth the loss.

>>723753085
>>723752168
The goal of literally every company is to be bought by a bigger company

>>723753480
the only thing that carries weight is the license

Eileen shaving

>>723753305
>>723751802
>indies

Name 5 on the last 5 years

>>723751405 (OP)
You think they... you know...?

>>723751405 (OP)
>>723751636
This is problematic
A 10 people dev team need 5 middle managers AND 5 community managers
Also they all have to be women or trans women
And they need outsource half of their job to Indians, they NEED jobs, as first world country citizen, we owe them jobs

>>723751405 (OP)
beacuse of jews

>>723754805
Sleep? Probably not.

>>723754931
Its this simple, not sure why the goyim so violently reject reality.

The same group of rats is behind 99.9% of the problems in modern society. You have to be in aggressive denial to not see it.

>>723751405 (OP)
widespread spiritual sedation

You know every guy in that room ended up daydreaming about the cute girl holding the bouquet of flowers. Locked in a room together for months on end, hours and hours every day.

>>723754783
Silksong
Signalis
Lunacid
ZeroRanger
Blue Revolver

>>723755332
Being around women in the workplace makes you despise them no matter how hot they are, but maybe Japan is different

A team of one nigga made Stardew Valley and it's better than any life/farming sim released in the last 20 years. Not that that's a high bar, granted, but the amount of content from release, nevermind the post-release, was crazy and set a new standard for independent devs that really nobody has surpassed as of yet.
I know what you mean though. I didn't own an Xbox growing up, nor have I ever even played the original Halo, only ever played co-op/multiplayer on Halo 3 with my best friend on his machine, but those behind the scenes development documentaries with the original Bungie as they were in full production of Halo 2 are for me the vidya equivalent of The Lord of the Rings film Appendices. There was something magical about those guys, how they approached development, the genuine frustration they felt when something wasn't working, the childlike glee when they were experiencing their work when it was functioning as designed. Amazing stuff.
>The enemy has to be fun to shoot at, as well as be shot at

>>723755478
Only white guys and Japanese can make great games.

>>723751405 (OP)
Game engines.
I mean this seriously, I'm not saying that game engines are bad but they killed the need for cooperation. Before game engines was openly avaliable and good enough, you needed to write your own libraries, cross platform support, tooling, sound system and so on.

Want to make a game? You _needed_ to know people, you needed these people to help and as a result everything was a collaborative effort.
Today? 10 people in the past who'd have settled on a single project and worked together, are all now wanting to make their own game. They can't get help because "why should I work on your game idea when I could work on my game idea" and other similar lines of thinking. Because it's possible to create your own game on your own, the collaborative nature of it is gone.

Especially in the communities. The indie dev culture is very individualistic and never actually producing anything as a result of free engines for ages. Game engines made everyone individualistic.

>>723755478
>the childlike glee when they were experiencing their work when it was functioning as designed.
That's the easiest way to tell when the team is invested in the game and not the product, they should be jumping in their chairs and cheering.

examine the assets in a psx game. they can be impressive, artists squeezing everything they can out of the composition to make atmospheric coherent scenes with the barest level of complexity but beyond those high level considerations, the individual game assets by themselves are very simple. a decent artist with a bit of pixel art know how can crank those assets out very fast. filling out scenes goes from a monstrous industrial task incomprehensible to a single individual to something traceable that can be accomplished in a relatable time frame.

>just a bunch of white dudes and their token black guy
perfection

>asian nerds and a couple bitches
what you need more

>>723756501
Back then the black guy would be one of the most competent staff members on payroll too.

>>723753085
Alice Asylum WHEN

>>723751405 (OP)
Because that requires money and teamwork now, game development studios were part of other electronic entertainment divisions back then. Now they're their own entity with thin margins.

>>723756023
It's this. Fetishistic worship of the "solo dev" like in >>723755478 certainly doesn't help. The irony is that even that guy actually did have some outside support but no one ever wants to talk about that because it detracts from the solo dev myth worship. Truly great works always have had more than one contributor, even if (or perhaps especially if) there's only one name on the cover.

>>723751405 (OP)
>Team Silent
>2 women, who likely never shut the fuck up

I heard Kenshi was done by a few ultra rich kids.

>>723751405 (OP)
A certain tribe demanded every group include women and minorities