Thread 723760127

Do you think the game would've succeeded if it had white protagonists?

>>723760127 (OP)

From a gamers standpoint. And game journos would've given it 6/10. Instead of those faggy anti-racist" 10/10s.

>>723760127 (OP)
I would have at least tried it if they were white. I don't watch or play stuff with blacks or jeets on the cover though.

>>723760127 (OP)
Nah, the core concept was good, but the execution was lacking. The weapons and abilities are unbalanced. The variations are too little. The story was pretty meh aside from the incest vibes.

>>723760127 (OP)
No. Keep in mind that most of the time every game that's "woke" isn't shit because it's woke. It's woke because it's shit, and using social justice as a shield to deflect from criticism is a tried and true tactic.

>>723760127 (OP)
>look at our diverse cast of people who you can only interact with by killing them
>a black woman will keep annoying you and you're intended to murder her on sight
>noooo it's so woke

game is too ambitious. even a point and click with time shit is ambitious. somehow the stealth didnt carry anything decent from the former games even mechanically. they also cant into itemization so a roguelike was out of the question.

they did a patchwork of three different games which they couldnt even make a single of them. the multiplayer adds up another layer of excess ambition, plus it lagged pretty bad and was badly designed. either you make them storng but you mus make the gam eeasy, or you make them weak but even weak if the game is hard they can throw the thing. the concept itself is very difficult. they could have had fights like lock the villain bases and utilize the whole bas efor a multi shootout with aplayer withseveral lives too.

they took the most ambitious genre and added the most ambitious flavor there is, time shit, different branches etc. just ridiculous. also cartoony visual, many things that were just "there" and a lack of meaning overall

these games are turning into parodies of themselves, with no difficulty where you basically choose which cutscene you re going to play

dark messiah could get away with it because it had appealing fantasy, soundtrack, sourc ephysics, lots of breakable shit and good visual/colours from old school engine.

anyway its still pretty good game, but unrealized, and pretty good isnt enough to make it big no matter the skin colour of the hero.

i think replacing arkane director with a white guy would have increased the sales more instead. KEK

>>723762758
It doesn't matter how you maliciously interpret the story to fit your world view.
>no the game isn't woke because some of the black people die

>>723762529
plenty of games lose sales because of woke. this game mad etheir character decent looking for black characters so it didnt rpae ti as much as some bladur gate shit would

>>723762837
>too ambitious.
Not ambitious enough. It either needs to do something very clever with the time loop or give us some freedom about what we do. It's 100% linear with the loop mechanic only really being there to waste your time.

>>723760127 (OP)
The game wasn't actually that bad it just needed better execution.

>>723763072
but they cant. maybe even with infinite money and time they couldnt but they certainly dotn have infintie money and time. you cant make an amzing time baed story with on top imsim aand ingame time based changes to what happens ingame etc and a rogue like stealth etc its just insae they can barely make a game that sells well and its not like these french studios ar efilled with high intelligenc epeople who can uatistically tweak the gameplay, they r etoo based on feels they can barely make tight gameplay. ontop of mumtiplayer etc. the excess of ambition is exactly why much of it is half assed .

>>723760127 (OP)
no.
mooncrash was enough and that didn't sell

>>723763267
mooncrash is a dlc with probably barley any marketing and it was far from perfect still plenty of way to go

they dont have the balls to make an actua full fledged roguelike and they know it they re afraid which is why they keep tiptoeing around

devs dont actually want to make games it terrifies them they just like having ideas in their shower

>>723760127 (OP)
the concept of the game is interesting but it's a huge letdown once you figure out that it just wants you to figure out the right map sequence and then the games over. even without le nigger debuff it doesn't have much going for it.

>>723763267
>mooncrash
Mooncrash is a DLC for a game that is considered to be a commercial failure, what the fuck is that supposed to prove?

>>723763359
>it just wants you to figure out the right map sequence
You don't figure it out really, and that's part of the problem. It spoonfeeds you almost the whole thing because they rightfully presumed their average player couldn't handle even having to read a timeline of who is where when.

>>723763359
they could and should have introduced some randomness and enemies reacting to what youve done earlier during the day at some point for some reason but again game way too ambitious for what they know and can

>>723763487
and rightfully but they could havr emove dthat shit in hard mode and let people paly the actual fuckign game with detective shit a la point n click etc which would require work, its much easie to hide behind "players are dumb"

>>723760127 (OP)
It would have a chance. I don't know if it's any good

>>723760127 (OP)
I wanted to like it, I dig the 60's aesthetic if nothing else, but also if I don't have to see niggers I'd rather not.

>>723763359
Yeah, the pitch of it being just a really big Hitman styled map on a timer had a lot of potential. But then you realize there's only one or two spots to kill somebody, if you're lucky and it loses a lot of its shine. Couple that with its Dishonored style powers being super lack luster, and all of the weapons being fairly basic guns and you have an extremely okayish expierence.

>Dude this really easy and bad FPS is totes awesome dude
Why?
> Uuuuh... you repeat maps... over and over...
>REPEATING MAPS AND ABOUT 7 ORIGINAL GUNS IS KINO!!!1

This would be one of the shortest games I ever played if not for the repeating old areas gimmick -- why is this a gimmick? It's not even like backtracking because they're individualized fucking maps with constant load screens.

I'm convinced since Dishonored got as big as it did, Arkane fanboys just love pure garbo slop and Deathloop is proof of this -- I say this as an unironic Arx Fatalis fanboy, because Deathloop is literally just Dishonered but with ugly black people. (Oh wait isn't that Dishonored 2?)

I go from using stealth for 10 seconds to clear out a few enemies (because stealth is barely encouraged and then you can find broken shit powers like being able to become invisible, but then you can succeed at most of the game by doing the bare minimum), then go full FPS mode where enemies will just stand in place not doing anything sometimes -- it's worse designed than any Ubisoft game I've ever played.

>>723762837
>Too ambitious
Hell no. The invasion system is the closest the game comes to feeling ambitious

>>723763241
This post is such a disaster I can't even just call it ESL but you're clearly delusional if you think the deathloop mechanics being as simple as they were came as some fault of creatives rather than producers demanding the lowest common denominator that just wants to walk to objective markers

>>723760127 (OP)
It only having one actual solution to beating the game was a huge letdown. Would have been cool to have different alternate setups to killing all the visionaries in one week and seeing how everyone else finished their games compared to yours. Then there'd be more of a reason to replay it and go for different routes.

>>723763723
it can bt decently difficult the realm problem is all the stuff that allows you to easily bypass the whole game

the worst instance is the manor of the starting zone with the party. you going unde ror some shit i dont remember but you can basically skip the whole zone and if anything you re encouraged to do that the first time so why even bother with anything afterwards

its not like you ll unlock shit for the story, new branches, new informationyou can use of whatever.

im shitting a lot on the game but i really had fun playing it. its just that its terribly half assed and probably overly ambitious

>>723763762
i dont believe it im pretty sure arkane is the artsy studio blabla and have more freedom than the average studio

all their games ar elike that recently they say gameplay/difficulty is secondary becaus eits hard to make and they dont have the skills to do it, they r enot nerdy enough, so they say they prefer "choices" etc, but it becomes basically pickign a cutscene. its their philosophers its not managers. too many passes and lost information, arkane is a parody now

invisibilty plus a silent gun that has the little explosion effect was way too good of a combo that anything else was pointless. what it really needed was a demerit on using the same weapon and powers too many times in a row so you were forced to change it up
if fuckdaughter told the people how to counter you and then hunted you based on your setup, that could work out.

>>723760127 (OP)
i remember when all the gaming propagandist were saying it was the game of the decade lmao

>>723760127 (OP)
No. Honestly it wasn't black enough. It should've been much more over the top, full on blaxploitation, Black Dynamite style.

>>723763723
B-but you can play the same maps at different times of day! Isn't that amazing?

>>723764239
That would have been better, should have leaned into the 70's more than the 60's though.

>>723763351
>>723763393
but unlike deathloop, mooncrash was actually pretty good

>>723764239
That's exactly what it should have been.

>>723760127 (OP)
>Do you think the game would've succeeded if it had white protagonists?

It couldn't hurt.

>>723764557
>liked prey
>though mooncrash was great
>deathloop gets shilled repeatedly at a bunch of game events
>"seems kinda like mooncrash, maybe it'll be more of that"
>bland as hell
how'd they fuck up this hard

>>723765120
mooncrash tried to appeal to the same audience that liked prey
prey tried to be a system shock 3 and was aimed for that tiny immersive sim audience
deathloop was aimed for the broader audience and tried to appeal to every mouthbreathing retard that can afford to buy a game. they didn't care and it was no longer appealing to the people that would have actually wanted to play it

>>723760127 (OP)
No because the execution was flawed fundamentally. The concept of a timeloop with only one actual way to solve it sucks, white people wouldn't have changed it

>>723764239
It's not a blaxploitation movie. There is nothing about the blaxploitation genre in this game. In fact there is nothing about race in this game whatsoever.

It's like saying wow Ninja Gaiden was pretty good but it should have leaned more into the Greek Mythology.

>>723760127 (OP)
No, the gameplay loop is simply shit, just like gunplay, movement and such. Not even having cute anime girls instead of realistic humans would make it good.

>>723764239
I agree that would've been an improvement, still wouldn't have made it good though.

>>723765789
>It's not a blaxploitation movie. There is nothing about the blaxploitation genre in this game.
But it should have been.

>>723763267
mooncrash protags:
>indian guy
>black guy
>asian woman
>extremely ratfaced white woman
>mutated and deformed russian prisoner

>>723764239
That would have made it too obvious that every single character in this game acts like a 14 year old white girl with rich parents

>>723760127 (OP)
No idea but I liked it

>>723760127 (OP)
No. I liked the game actually, but its the same 4/5 levels over and over again. its cool the first few loops but gets stale pretty fast. I can see why it didn't do well. Having a white guy as the protag wouldn't change this

>>723760127 (OP)
Unironically the blaxploitation aesthetic and the characters are one of the better parts of the game
the real issue is that ever since the Arkane head resigned they haven't had decent level design
>>723762758
This too, the "antagonist" cast are all pretty interesting and your only way to interact with them is to setup elaborate scenes to kill them or get them out of the story, it doesn't have nearly the same depth as Dishonored where you can talk with some of them or there are complex circumstances allowing you to elimate them without killing them
tldr game is kinda just shit

>>723766587
mooncrash should have just been the deformed russian dude ala a Minerva's den expansion

>>723760127 (OP)
No, it would just be boring and indefensible, rather than being artificially bumped due to the bigotry of low expectations.