Thread 723870521

13 days for spreadsheet simulator kino, where we droppin' boys?

>>723870521 (OP)
it doesn't matter where, nothing will have content on launch

>>723870521 (OP)
siberia

I'm not giving these faggots a single cent

>>723870521 (OP)
I'M HITLER'S TOP GUY

>Have the game start at least one and a half centuries before it's possible to colonize the new world
why on god's earth did they do that

Nothing ever happens (for 500 years)

For me, it's Milan.

>>723870521 (OP)
Serbia, my beloved. Although it not being an underdog would feel weird.

>>723872404
So you can buy the 1444 DLC later on

>>723872412
>game punishes you for playing wide
>the ai is the exact same level of retarded

>>723872412
>Vic 3 tier of nothing ever happening
>Eu3/ck tier of bordergore
Mods will fix that? Right...?

>>723872615
Would you be able to play tall in EU5?

>>723872412
>Ottomans boxed in
>No Russia
>No GB
lmao what a load of shit.

>>723872412
Novgorod going through it.

I'm only playing countries that have actual content on launch, so shit like England. My meme runs can wait for the inevitable flood of DLC

>>723870521 (OP)
a medium-tier country that has at least SOME flavour

>>723870521 (OP)
Thüringen, as always

>>723874225
the entire game is about micro managing your pops and playing tall, little nigga
it gets to a point where you can focus which trade goods go into specific buildings to minmax your production output

>>723872412
Slightly concerning

>>723876775
Sounds like my cup of tea. My biggest complain about EU4 was that it really was map painter simulator, while Vic3 was very limited in how you could play it.

>>723870521 (OP)
Someone who can colonize so I can experiment with slavery

>>723870521 (OP)
There are only 3 correct countries to play as in these type of games:
>Italy, to rebuild the glory or Rome
>Poland, to rebuild the glory of the Commonwealth
>Greece, to rebuild the glory of ancient Greece
any other pick, is a bad pick.

>>723870521 (OP)
How's culture converting in this one? I want to play as Teutons and wipe poles off the face of this earth.

>>723876929
>clinges to the past
make your own history

I've been stung by paradox enough I'm happy to wait on a sale
but I'll probably load up Dali when I do get it

>>723877146
>the present is worse than the past, future looks bleak
nah ill think ill cling to the past, thank you.

>>723877062
>krauts still seething they have the worst war record on the planet
sounds like a you problem.

>>723870521 (OP)
I will wait 4 years for the features that should have been optimized on launch to be fixed

>>723877306
That's not an answer.

>>723876929
weird pole post

>>723876929
it's 1337 you LARPing psued, the polish commonwealth wasn't even a thing yet

>>723870521 (OP)
Next year when the byzaboo dlc drops. Because Paradox knows what their paypigs prefer.

>>723872412
What the fuck am I looking at

>>723872412
the amount of rebellions is concerning

>>723876929
>commonwealth
>glory

>>723870521 (OP)
I don't think my CPU is good enough to play this game

>>723872404
This just means i'm gonna weeb it up instead of doing my usual iberian or british isles stuff

>>723878089
even if he's wrong posting that nigger invalidates your point entirely

I will expand to these exact borders and just chill for the rest of the campaign. These were the comfiest borders.

>>723878221
You should be crucified for abandoning Syria.

>>723877190
>the present is worse than the past,
prove?

>>723872412
Wow. They didn't even script the rise of the ottomans.

>>723877379
yes it is.

>>723876929
I will play as Poland specifically not to redo the mistake of the Commonwealth, focusing on Bohemia and Hungary instead.

>>723872412
>>723872615 >>723872667 >>723875140 >>723875935 >>723876836 >>723877934 >>723877981
and that's a good thing, i'm tired of EU4 where by 1820 there are only 20 countries left

you haven't played the game

>>723878221
I'd rather leave Anatoliya to Turqs tbqh.

>>723878089
>>723878201
he isnt even wrong in the first place.
>obliterated the mongol golden horde
>obliterated the muslims
>stopped russia from invading europe 9000 times
>destroyed the swedish empire

only the greeks and Rome can boast like this, too.

>>723878112
should run better than eu4

>>723878805
you can't be serious

>>723878842
eu4 is single threaded. eu5 uses multiple threads.

>>723878803
Of these the only thing it actually did was play the role of roadblock to Russia

>>723878686
the only mistake the Commonwealth did was leave Vienna and give it back to the austrians.

>>723870521 (OP)
sweden or maybe holland

>>723878896
not really, no, russia didnt even exist for half of Polish history.

>>723878929
actually retarded

>>723879076
seethe

>>723878718
>I want bordergore because uhhhhh there's not enough small countries in the late game!
Based retard

>>723878803
>obliterated mongols
lol? they got obliterated at Liegnitz before mongols disintegrated due to internal issues
>muslims
ottomans were never really interested in poland until XVII century where they forced poles to yield moldavia, and tatars weren't an issue to begin with
>stopped russia
they attacked them during the biggest civil war in russian history only to fuck off with no benefit
>destroyed the swedish empire
KEEEEEEEEEEEEK

>>723872412
>golden horde explodes into a million pieces
>muscovy barely does anything
weird
did they fuck up economic and military snowballing or something?

>>723879228
>>723878803
>google it
>polaks really did all of that
what the fuck.

>>723878368
Antioch is right there brother.

>>723879149
In 1683 Poland was internally ruined with anarchic Sejm and magnates ruling their fiefdoms as separate countries, the last chance Poland had at fixing its internal problems was in 1525 and it was ruined by the shitty king. 30 years war presented another opportunity to cease entire Bohemia at once that another shitty king refused (by coincidence, the top 3 of the shittiest kings of Poland were all named Sigismund). You post an image of a great military victory that has not achieved a single positive thing for Poland, except strengthen Austria and Russia.

>>723879369
As a Polak I can say you this country is retarded. It swings every few years from "it's so over" to "we are so back" and it has done this for centuries by now

>>723878803
>>723879228
can somebody tell me how come polaks always won even though there were outnumbered so hard?

>>723879527
>acting like the deluge is a win
lmfao

>>723879527
>4 million poles die and sweden gains territory
>polish victory

>>723879527
are you brain damaged or just uninformed

>>723879747
>>723879756
>>723879776
>Polish victory
>Sweden is ruined, lost its empire status forever, never to come back
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>723879881
found the polish

>>723879881
>Commonwealth is ruined, lost its empire status forever, never to come back

>>723879936
>this victory doesnt count because i dont like it
thats not how it works, sweetie.
>>723879937
>sweden invades the commonwealth
>lose the entire swedish army to the last man
>both countries are ruined, lost their empire status
lol @ sweden.

>>723872412
>ottomans in stasis for 500 years
they didn't program the AI to expand in historical directions, did they...?

slavs are weird, they care more about their enemies suffering even if their own peoples suffering outweighs their enemies

>>723880228
they do?

>>723878789
Leaving the heartland to t*rks is worse than leaving palestine to the mohammedians.

>>723880204
It wasn't even a lot of effort for EU4. Give the AI permaclaims, historical rival modifiers in a region or higher weight for same culture land and they'd be antagonist and would fight until they blobbed out enough.
More recently even for shit like in Vic3 if the devs don't put it journal entries with forced unification, instant war declaration and other shit then nothing moves. There's something terribly wrong with the AIs in the last decade.

>>723880228
There's an old serbian joke that explains how slav brains operate
>A man finds a magic lamp in his village
>He rubs it and a genie pops out
>"Congratulations, you have found me, I will now grant you one wish, but there is a catch. Whatever you wish for, your neighbor will receive twice."
>The man thinks for a moment before speaking and finally he decides.
>"I want to lose one eye"

>>723880204
Why set the game 100 years earlier if you just want the same people to win again? The only problem is no one wins currently.

>>723880586
serbs arent people.

>>723872412
Release EU4 also had countries besides france and ottos terrified of expansion because of AE

Are we finally close enough to release that they won't completely fucking overhaul the game's mechanics before I get to play it?

If so, where can I learn how it works?

>>723870521 (OP)
probably wales

>>723872412
Is Golden Horde the "you're gonna get fucked" country of this game?

>>723880628
јeбeм ти мaтep

>>723881004
Delhi sultanate

>>723881102
...coming in the 2026 dharma DLC

>>723880586
only serbs are like that - extremely vicious and forever enraged at everybody around them.
same with russians, same shit from a different toilet.
slovaks, czechs, polaks, lithuanians, estonians, they arent like that.

>>723878803
the Commonwealth peaked when it was just beginning in the 16th and 17th centuries before the shitty noble rule system cannibalized itself. Most of the Commonwealth's great achievements like the Livonian campaign and the trouncing of Russia in 1610 and the Polish-Swedish war of 1610-1611 happened during this period with the only notable exception being Vienna in 1683. Poland's greatest mistake was having a republican government surrounded by powerful autocracies. The wins that Poland achieved could have been doubled or even tripled under a single ruling king or emperor. The PLC was like the Roman Republic except without an Empire to follow it up once the system began collapsing

>>723881164
It's there. Has the worst fucking borders in the game.

>>723880885
>If so, where can I learn how it works?
Dev diaries, gayass videos from "influencers" that are always one step away from wearing girly clothes and putting on makeup, playing the actual game when it comes out.

>>723881271
>lithuanians and estonians

>>723881324
I mean fighting and losing against Sweden didn't really bode too well for their chances against the emerging Russia and Prussia. Power levels went up like crazy in the 19th century.

>>723880328
Unless I'm mistaken Turks been occupying Anatolia for a long ass time and I'd rather move on. Plus moving to Anatolia means opening yourself to new confrontation on the east. I'd rather leave Turks dealing with it while I'm chilling by the Gallipoli.

>>723881271
>lithuanians, estonians
Went too far on the PIE chart, are you?

>>723878686
I would say this is Poland's historical fatal flaw. An over-obsession on competing with Russia for areas such as Ukraine and Belarus with no ethnic or religious ties to Poland and a total ignorance of the value of areas such as Czechia and Hungary which does have an ethnic tie in the case of the former and a religious tie in the case of the latter.

>>723878221
Isn't trade flow dynamic now? So who cares about the bosphorous? Just send all the trade into Madagascar or some shit.

>>723881426
By the beginning of the game Turks have been in Anatolia 260 years.

>>723881324
>The wins that Poland achieved could have been doubled or even tripled under a single ruling king or emperor. The PLC was like the Roman Republic except without an Empire to follow it up once the system began collapsing
yeah thats what you get for playing with democracy.
its either monarchy, or nothing.
>>723881407
>emerging Russia and Prussia. Power levels went up like crazy in the 19th century.
imo, their power levels only went up because sweden decided to attack and invade everybody in the world EXCEPT the fucking russians and prussians.

>>723881340
What's the worst that could happen?

>>723881426
>Turks been occupying Anatolia for a long ass time
It's only a thousand years bro

>>723881524
>>723881564
So which is it?

>>723881518
trade flows towards urban areas
and there's no area more urbanized in the 1300s than the bosphorus

>>723881407
I don't believe Poland and Sweden's differences could have been reconciled as the Nordic powers made it very clear that they wanted only Scandinavian states to control the Baltic and Poland stood in the way of that. The real mistake was Poland larping as a tolerant multi-cultural society and not going all the way and accepting an Orthodox Polish Tsar in Russia, permanently subduing at least one of Poland's threats.

>>723881602
It's thousand years now.

>>723881504
the russian schizo obession of wanting to expand west is at fault here.
the estonians, finns, everybody over there fucking seethes and fumes at the mere mention of russia and their schizo obession of WE MUST INVADE AND GO WEST.

>>723881615
It was fucked the moment Sweden turned protestant, and the Prussian parts of Poland did the same. I'm surprised they didn't kill each other even harder.

>>723881626
Well, regardless I'll need to look at the ethnic map. If there's anything worth salvaging maybe I'll go for it.

>>723878929
Habsburgs won by themselves. PLC just came in the end like Americans to France in WW1.

>>723881504
>such as Ukraine and Belarus with no ethnic or religious ties to Poland
There's ton of cultural and ethnic overlap there with Poland. It's just Ukranians we had tons of wars with so we pretend we don't have anything in common, and Belarus is probably the closest nation to Poland there is. The current governments though don't see eye to eye on anything.

Czechs seem kinda foreign to me. There are still ton of similarities, but they seem way more "western". Hungarians are chill, but they are foreign too. Great cuisine and architecture tho

>>723881702
I'm Russian who was born in USSR and I'm still to this day confused what's it with our leaders so eager on expanding. Just a really poor choice of doctrine that stuck?

>>723881720
There were still millions of Greeks living on the Aegean coast in the early 1900s. Too bad they got kicked out due to Megalis failing.

>>723881790
I've always wanted to try that one Polish dish that's meat soup served in a bowl made out of bread.

>>723881702
Ok? Yeah, Russia wants to go West, in places where Poland cannot contest them such as Ukraine and Belarus. Every country wants a sphere of influence. Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, all of these are historical Polish allies that Poland simply refuses to engage with outside of small historical anecdotes where Hungary or Romania bend over backwards for Poland and Poland does nothing in return. How many times do Poles need to be stabbed in the back by Ukrainians or give Russia the perfect excuse to invade by holding East Slavic territory before they realize that the East is probably no longer a good investment.

>>723881790
Poland's similarities with Ukraine and Belarus are practically only because of Poland's influence there while Poland's similarities with its southern neighbors are in spite of Poland's lack of influence there. Not to mention that Ukrainians and Russians fucking hate Poland and its only Belarusians that like Poland because half of them are Poles. At one point you should just stop bothering with countries that despise you and just deal with the ones that like you.

>>723881862
it's a fermented rye soup, only meat there is sausage you typically drop in

>>723881862
Żurek? It's pretty good. Although weirdly enough, I never ate it from bread. I just ate it in a standard bowl.

Where are you from anon?

Looking over the EU5 map, Hungary was an economic beast with gold everywhere and half the country is protected by impassible mountain ranges. What the fuck happened?

>>723881973
>Ukrainians and Russians fucking hate Poland
I mean that's just a historical vicious circle not some inherent problems with one another. Someone has to be the first to stop it, but alas.

>>723881702
the biggest issue of russia, their biggest problem, was always the inability to just *FUCK OFF*.
>we need a meme sphere of muh influence
>lets spend 500 years trying to do that, lets invade everybody every 5 minutes
>everybody fucking hates us because of it
>well, if everybody hates us, then lets invade them!
eternal circle of stupidity.

>>723881720
>If there's anything worth salvaging maybe I'll go for it.
I think there's like 2m or so Greeks in Anatolia at the start date, they showed it in some dev diary or whatever at some point. You definitely have enough reason to eat up the western and northern coasts.

>>723882056
I'm from Sweden. There are a few Polish shops I've been to, but I've never seen a Polish restaurant. It's probably somewhere if I look harder.

>>723870521 (OP)
Portugal

I can't wait to flood my colonies with bantu bucks

>>723878805
>>723878870
Well I guess maybe I could give it a try

>>723882167
The colonization is getting nerfed though.

>>723881881
its extremely funny russia is mentally still stuck in 1600, they are doing today what they were doing in 1600.

>>723882167
A bit early for that. So is Portugal just going to sit and jerk off for 150 years now

>>723882069
a mix of ottoman raids, austria fucking around and peasant revolts all around the country

>>723881973
I don't know if it's just because of that. When I hear Ukranians speak I can understand mostly what they are saying. I don't understand anything from Hungarian. Also Ukrainian cuisine is 70% the same as Polish one.

And yeah, Belarus actually has very big ethnic and cultural ties to Poland like you said. So I don't get what the problem is.

I think Poland issues historically is that it's basically a no man's land. It could easily be east slavic culturally, but it isn't cause it's catholic. And even though it's catholic, it's at the end of that world where going west feels very foreign too. Czechia feels similar, but I can tell they are different from times i've been there.

That leaves Poland in this weird state where it belongs nowhere really all that well. Kinda like Hungary in a way

>>723882323
That's an interesting perspective, anon.

>>723882161
That's cool. I've been to Sweden earlier this year in winter. Stockholm is really comfy city in the winter with the orange buildings everywhere covered in snow. Also it's funny to see how similar Warsaw old town was to Stockholm old town. Also I really liked these cinnamon rolls there and Max burgers are tasty too

>>723882323
>I think Poland issues historically is that it's basically a no man's land.
that has to be the dumbest fucking thing i ever heard.
>It could easily be east slavic culturally
nobody is interested in russian-mongol culture
>That leaves Poland in this weird state where it belongs nowhere
thats the 2nd dumbest thing i ever heard.

>>723882323
Magyar doens't sound like anything else. I wonder what Austria was thinking lording over them for so long?

>>723872412
Wow what a surprise. Setting it in 1337 BEFORE any of the massive historical events that shaped the next few centuries happened... LE PREVENTS ANYTHING FROM HAPPENING. Who could have seen this coming?

>>723882597
>thats the 2nd dumbest thing i ever heard.
That would be third. You forgot the second:
>nobody is interested in russian-mongol culture

>>723882495
>how similar Warsaw old town was to Stockholm old town

To be fair half of Stockholm's old town was taken from Warsaw.

>>723881881
Do you really need to be explained basic geography? Hungary and the Czechs are seperated by mountains while to the east of Poland is a flat plain that has little to no natural barriers. It is in the intrest of every country in the region to have a defensive buffer and why belarus and ukraine have almost always been frontier holdings.

>>723882623
austria had no other choice then to try and mix with other countries (it was small, low population, kind of a meme state).
creating the austro-hungarian """empire""", quite possibly the biggest self proclaimed meme state in the history of the world, was a cherry on top.
>it existed for 5 minutes
>collapsed up its own asshole
: (

>>723882597
>flat empty grassland that even the Germs left

>>723882597
Alright then, explain this.

Go west or north, you end up in Germanic lands. Where ethnicity and language is different from yours. And the region is historically dominated by Protestantism.

Go south, you have Catholicism and slovakia which is also slavic, but the further you go you have Hungary which is it's very own thing and even further you are in orthodox south slavic lands.

Go east, you have east slavic countries, which are similar ethnically and culturally, but the religion is orthodox, so you don't fit in there too.

Poland doesn't fit very neatly in any of these places

>>723882214
And Poland isn't? Poland is trying to rip Ukraine and Belarus away from Russia just as Russia is still trying to conquer them. At the end of the day most countries just act the way they always have in their own specific interests.
>>723882323
The problem is that Belarus' ties to Poland will always be inferior to its ties to Russia, based on the fact that they are Orthodox and speak an East Slavic tongue and Poles are Catholic and speak in the Latin alphabet. Poland may not be entirely similar to the Czechs or Slovaks but ultimately their interests overlap and its a no-brainer that these countries should be allies.
>>723882097
I wouldn't say so. Maybe with Russia it's a vicious circle but Poland and Ukraine genuinely cannot co-exist with one another without descending into conflict. This war was the prime moment for Poland and Ukraine to bury the hatchet and Ukraine practically refused Poland's overtures of peace. Difference is, is that you expect Russia to be hostile to Poland BECAUSE they are Poland's rival, but you don't expect Ukraine to be hostile because Ukraine is supposed to be its ally. Yet it is.

>>723882672
I really hope the black death resets everyone back to zero. It will make for a cool starting point where any nation has a chance to emerge.

I've got Eastern Europe fatigue

>>723877306
>poland shrank in size as a consequence of ww2
kek even when you dumb toilet cleaners "win" you still manage to lose

>>723882737
I'm well aware of the geographical distances. I'm just saying they are irrelevant in the 21st century in this specific context. And more often than not Poland's attempts to secure a defensive buffer in Ukraine (I mostly agree with this from a historical perspective such as in 1920 because of Russia's belligerence) have ended in Poland inadvertently getting itself caught in another partition. In the 21st century when even a tiny shithole like North Korea can build a bomb, I don't think this is relevant at all.

>>723882846
>And Poland isn't?
yup.
>Poland is trying to rip Ukraine and Belarus away from Russia
No, Ukraine and Belarus are trying to rip themselves from russia.
>NUH UH UKRAINE! YOU CANT DO THAT! YOU WILL BE THE ETERNAL RUSSIAN SLAVE!
>INVASION COMMENCING!

Lukashenko played Putin like a fucking fiddle in the Ukrainian war, he didnt even support russia with a fucking food truck in the last 4 years, he's waiting for a good moment to finally fuck off from Russia.

>>723882962
They're getting high from Olden Era.

>>723882918
XD

>>723883069
>Yup
Nope. Otherwise why is Poland supporting a country which has statues of people that massacred Poles like cattle?
>Ukraine wants to rip itself from Russia
Yeah, it needs foreign backing to do that.
>Lukashenko wants to fuck off from Russia
Are you a retard? Why in a million years would Lukashenko want to align with the West when the West literally tried to overthrow him in 2020?

>>723882962
tsmt

>>723883069
Lukashenko should impale every catholicuckold chomo priest in Belarus, seeing what that religion did to Poland's national psyche proves Orthodoxy is the only acceptable option for Slavs.

>>723882846
>Poland and Ukraine genuinely cannot co-exist with one another
I mean, isn't that because of history? Poles can't give up remembering the past instead of focusing on the future, not because they have a problem with one another at the moment.

>>723883198
>why are polaks supporting ukraine? they were supposed to be seething about ukraine forever! STOP SENDING THEM STUFF! please hate the hohols!
its called "bygones be bygones" and "we have a bigger problem".
>Why in a million years would Lukashenko want to align with the West
why wouldnt he?
poor belarus is a worthless meme state for the last 30 years.

>>723883260
They only picked orthodoxy because islam forbade drinking. It's pretty arbitrary, especially now.

>>723882069
Angevins went full imperialist, kicking Serbia and Bulgaria's backsides, making entire Balkans exhausted and ripe for taking. Later kings like Luxemburgians, Habsburgs, Jagiellons, Hunyadis were focused on attacking Bohemia and Austria, meaning the backdoors of Balkans were spread wide open. Then the last Jagiellon got KIA and the realm split when Hungary, Transylvania and Slavonia elected Ivan Zapolja (Ottoman plant) as their king and Slovakia, Croatia and some western Hungarians sided with Feridnand Habsburg. It took 2 centuries to undo the damage. Even today Hungary is split between Catholics (Habsburgs) and Protestants (Ottomans), and Bosnia and Herzegovina are still under Ottomans in some way.

>>723883370
I too form my worldview on the basis of le funni memes

>>723883261
>Poles can't give up remembering the past instead of focusing on the future
thats exactly what they are doing, focusing on the future.
>BUT REMEMBER THE PAST! REMEMBER HOHOLS KILLING POLAKS! DONT THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE! THINK ABOUT THE PAST! STOP HELPING HOHOLS! REMEMBER THE PAST!

>>723883097
The fuck is this

>>723883260
I take it you're not familiar with the role the church played in Romania. There's no "good" religion per se.

>>723883405
I wonder what the French were doing in eastern europe?

>Protestants (Ottomans)

Dare I ask?

>>723883449
I'm a little confused about the message here, anon.

>>723883261
This is a fundamental misreading of the current war. Poland has actually done everything in its power to help Ukraine and to bury the hatchet, its Ukraine that doesn't want to do one small thing in return and stop glorifying Bandera.
>>723883351
>Bygones be bygones
Thats the way Poland sees it, but not Ukraine evidently
>We have a bigger problem
You mean Ukraine has a bigger problem. There's a reason Russia only contested Ukraine's attempted accession to NATO and not Finland's or the Baltic's or Poland's.
>Why wouldn't he?
Because he wants to remain in power?
>Poor belarus is a worthless meme state
Yet it has as much geopolitical power as Poland so go figure.

modding tinto talks just dropped
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-85-22nd-of-october-modding.1864004/

>>723883521
>I wonder what the French were doing in eastern europe?

Allying with Ottomans?

>>723883460
bunch of modders got early access. its from the extended timeline guys.

My first playthrough will be with Muscovy, it's always comfy forming Russia, achieving Imperial borders and Vassalizing Bohemia, Hungary and the Balkans.

>>723883449
Poland is probably the only country that will tolerate literally being mocked by the poorest country in Europe regularly just because of their hatred of Russia.
America has literally thrown Ukraine around and shat on it as much as possible, and Ukraine still comes back to America begging for support. Poland asks for one tiny thing and suddenly Poland is an evil pro-Russian state. I wonder, when will Poles realize they are being mocked.

>>723872412
I saw a video that said the whole map is absolutely saturated with a thousand forts everywhere which I guess makes it so static.

>>723883521
Ottomans were sponsoring Protestantism in Hungary, Orthodoxy in Bosnia and Herzegovina. If you weren't Muslim, at least don't be Catholic because Catholic crusaded them several times and Protestants and Orthodox never even tried.

>>723883619
I used to love playing Muscovy before I took the formable pill, and realized how much more I could get done forming Russia with Riga, Livonia or any of the Scandinavians.

>>723878368
He is just playing Byzantines historically accurately.
Now all he needs to do is trick the crusaders into dying for byzantium and letting them all starve with no assistance or supply lines.

>>723883539
me too, russians expect polaks to both forget the past, and remember the past.
>dont help the hohols! remember the past!
>forget the past! focus on the future!
the poor russians cant make up their minds.

>>723878803
>destroyed the swedish empire
Come on now. It was Peter that buried the Swedish Empire.

>>723883547
>belarus has as much geopolitical power as Poland

>>723883672
>being mocked by the poorest country in Europe regularly
whoa, they are?

>>723870793
I'd argue that launch CK2, launch Stellaris and launch EUIV were more fun than whatever blob the games ended up being after 20 years of overpriced non tested DLC

>>723883985
Actually, probably more. At least Belarus can tell Russia to go fuck itself sometimes like you said. Poland can't shoot down drones coming into its own territory, can only tell the EU to eat shit and die over immigration but will ultimately do whatever the US wants.
>>723884052
Yep.

>>723884096
Mission trees are filthy endorphin dispensers that I can't get enough of.

>>723884134
>At least Belarus can tell Russia to go fuck itself
it didnt.
poor belarus shoved its head in the sand like an ostrich, and is praying a butthurt putin wont invade it.
but putin cant invade it anymore, lol, its a ruined state now, so belarus is just waiting for a moment to *FINALLY* fuck off from the planetary retard - russia.
>Poland can't shoot down drones coming into its own territory
and yet thats exactly what they did.
>can only tell the EU to eat shit and die over immigration
based polaks
>hohols are mocking da polaks
whoa, how?

Turd worlders trying to boast about their shitholes is so cringe

>>723884424
Speaking of the US, are there mechanics in place for the north american tribes yet or is that a DLC? It's my favorite region, so peaceful.

>>723884424
what proud fantastic awesome white ethnostate are you from?

>>723884343
>It didn't
>But here's how it did
Wow!
>And yet that's exactly what they did
Not all of them. even with NATO help. Imagine if Russia actually invaded you.
>How?
Probably something along the lines of accepting millions of piggy refugees and giving them millions in foreign aid only to be told to fuck off when you ask Ukraine to stop worshipping Bandera for 5 seconds.

>>723884096
You're right. CK2 ended up okay, but Stellaris and EU4 were ruined.

>>723881504
People are really underestimating the Lithuanian influence in the Commonwealth since it's easy to say "Senior/Junior Partner". Poland did politics with the West, Lithuania with the East. Following the Mongol collapse, Lithuanian tribals quickly expanded into the Ruthenian lands and proceeded to make the locals into serfs. Their petty dukes, later magnates, extremely powerful from all the land grabs and workers, would pick up fights with Russian princedoms (because that was all the politics they understood) and called Poland into endless eastern wars despite Poland getting eroded from the west. They were the ones who refused to give Cossacks rights and create a Triple-Nation Commonwealth because it'd hurt their bottom line. Sure, they got culturally polonized (and through them, the Belarus and Ukraine did) but all the Turk/Russian border shitshow is on Lithuanians.

>>723884561
>Probably something along the lines of accepting millions of piggy refugees and giving them millions in foreign aid only to be told to fuck off when you ask Ukraine to stop worshipping Bandera for 5 seconds.
did that come to you in a dream?

>>723884520
kek Americans dominate your little shithole, cry about it.

>>723881562
>Sultanate of Delhi
Well, the worst already happened.

>>723884561
>polaks cant shoot down drones
>here's how polaks shot down drones
wow!

>>723884776
You're in denial

>>723884610
Lithuanians sound pretty based desu.

>>723884941
do you really expect polaks to suddenly let ukraine be overrun with savage russian orks because of meme bandera?
its sad how russia is scraping the bottom of the barrel for propaganda just to cut ukraine from any foreign support.

>dlcfest
I'll just wait until they finish shitting out most of the DLCs then pirate it

>>723885465
Yes, the uneducated opinion of little brown kids on 4chin is of great interest to the Kreml and will sway the course of this war.

>>723883732
I really hope that kind of formable merry-go-round is gone in 5, always felt like cancer to me and I can't even formulate why

>>723877190
>my life sucks, I'll just give up forever
said every normalfag in the history of mankind
and you zoomers wonder how boomers ended up becoming the disgusting boomers you all hate

>>723885746
I like it, it's a way to get a different flavor for a nation depending on how it's formed.

>>723885747
The later you give up the worse you'll feel. In fact never start things you know you won't finish.

>>723885680
brainwashing normalfag babbies is how you brainwash a generation, retard

>>723885680
I'd rather believe this than you're a living breathing person that thinks like that. Get off the internet once in a while, man.

Why yes, I will play my first run as Byzantium 2.0 (Denmark)

>>723885465
You know you can assist Ukraine without being a total cuck about it, right?

>>723884561
>Imagine if Russia actually invaded you.
lmao come on now anonevich, russia isn't invading anything outside a steppe or caucasus nation for at least 10 years

>>723885908
So why are you helping Ukraine if they're Russia is not a threat? Has Ukraine done anything to particularly earn Poland's generosity?

>>723885853
>normal crab telling others to give up
the normalfag mentality in a nutshell. This is how boomers became boomers.

>>723882672
Bullshit.
Mods like MEIOU have been able to handle it in EUIV.
AI is just too shitty at the moment.

>>723885896
Why would that be Denmark
Byzantium 2.0 still looks like Byzantium

>>723885903
He's a pump cuck and lovin' it

>how i expected this thread to be
game discussion, shitting on paradox, explaining new mechanics
>how it actually is
POLSKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>723885997
I haven't done a proper mayo playthrough in a couple of years so it may or may not be better now, but mayo 3 AI consistently failed to form Russia or have strong Ottomans or even fucking spawn global trade without human intervention

>>723876005
>>723876346
Fuck that, I'll build my own empire out of an OPM. Every mechanic is a new mechanic to me.

>>723872412
>constant rebellions
>le bigge ukraina blobbing into instakill Golden Horde, somehow Russia never forms
>Ottos boxed in
>no United Kingdom
>horrible exclaves
At least France becomes unitary

>>723879527
>won

>>723886236
It's been a while since my last games.
I have witnessed in multiple occasions AI being extremely opportunistic and once some larger nation exhausts itself in a war with another major war that smaller neighbors gangrape the defeated nation.
And this has on occasion led to new major powers to emerge which certainly does not seem to happen in EUV.
In case of Ottomans I have seen them fail to expand eastwards as Karaman has been allied with powerful Mamelukes.

>>723872412
Damm they really nerfed Ottomen

>>723870521 (OP)
Netherlands and Hungary.

>>723886738
people don't realize just how much was lost to the swedes
almost all of our art and state records were shipped en masse to sweden, they burned land rights documents, killed the heirs of noble families to have them die out and destroyed everything that looked valuable and couldn't be brought back home
case and point - the eternal (((swede))) is worse than the black plague

>>723887286
It's funny since it, as well as random "X Country inherits somebody else" are the main thing the game needs to get right.

>>723870521 (OP)
Haven't played a EU game before, but I've played HOI, CK, and Stellaris. Would I enjoy this?

>>723887713
It's way more of an actual game compared to those waiting simulators. You're always doing something or creating future opportunities in EU.

>>723879527
>the deluge
>poles won

>>723887916
I mean their capital was burned to the ground and it took all of Europe to stop Sweden from razing the entire country to the ground. Didn't stop them from trying I suppose.

>>723888235
>crimean khanate

>>723870521 (OP)
Back in IV while I try to figure out where the fuck these rules CS.Rin asks about are located.

>>723872404
To nerf otto and austro blobs and make the 100y war more exciting.

>>723870521 (OP)
>Lithuania can choose between catholic, orthodox or pagan
It's time for the Autocephalous Patriarchate of Lithuania. The TRUE heirs of rome.

>>723872412
The EU games are the only Paradox games to trigger me on border gore
>CK, it's feudalism, borders *should* look like crap
>Victoria, borders in civilized areas can't really be changed much, in uncivilized area, it's colonialism, borders *should* look like crap
>HoI, 90% of the game is one big war with no actual border changes
It's only EU where you get really messy borders where/when you really shouldn't.

>>723888235
>be warsaw
>razed to the ground twice
>still nicer to live in than any western capital
funny how that works

>>723888523
What bullshit will Paradox pull out of their asses to save England from getting wiped in the first decade of the 100y war? France needs to be in complete shambles halfway through.

>>723888235
>WDS has games for the 30 years war
>Has a game for The Great Northern War
>nothing for this
I just want more northern European early modern kino.

>>723884608
I think my cutoff point for CK2 is Sword of Islam, anything after became berry retorted

What games are these? Europa Universalis or something?

>>723888920
march of the eagles 2

IS COLONY GOOD NOW!

>>723888557
Getting destroyed allows to rebuild it, but better.
My town got bombed to shit by the Nazi's and it sorta cleared the way for more modern layouts.

>>723889504
Humanity's all about that, really. Everything is replaced.

>>723888809
I liked everything before the vikings. The map expansion killed my ticks.

Haven't followed EU5 since it was announced. Is it looking good? I do know that its a lot more indepth and has actual pop mechanics now

>>723890659
It's indepth in all the boring shit nobody gives a shit about.

>>723881815
It's the mongol blood.

HAVE THEY FIXED 1440P SCALING YET

>>723884096
>try to "fix" pop system in stellaris
>make it worse every single time
why.

>>723878870
Do you think those words are magic? You do, the better question would be if you are aware that you think that.

>>723881504
Belarus is more culturally polish even now than Russian, Ukraine you can take whole

>>723890702
>he doesn't like cultural genocide and population growth
ngmi.

I will be in the Anbennar waiting room

>>723891273
>100k streetshitter subcultures
Sweden YES

>>723879527
deluge was total disaster for Poland, it never come back from it
t. Pole

>>723891398
post chin

>>723881324
it wouldn't be Poland then

>>723883593
>where the fuck is Anbennar
>they actually explain where the fuck it is
I appreciate that.

troonbennar

>>723891006
Its how swedes fix their pops irl

>>723879527
deluge was total disaster for Sweden, it never come back from it
t. Swede

>>723881702
its natural consequence of bordering steppe niggers and others
you want natural borders so you can chill(Russians never chill)

>>723891959
we must be better men my fellow swedes

>>723891959
deluge was a total disaster for everyone involved
yes, including russia, poland, sweden, denmark, transylwania

>>723892304
we wouldnt be swedish if we didnt try to sabotage everybody, including ourselves, 24/7.
>we still didnt give polaks back all that shit we stole from them in the deluge
*shrug*

>>723870521 (OP)
Nowhere until Johan fixes the godawful Sainthood and College of Cardinals mechanics.
Once he does that I might try Wurzburg.

>>723892548
>German in yugoslavia+bulgaria
Neat
>German in Namibia
No fucking way

america looking kinda weird

>>723892938
Show me Hank Hill.

>>723872412
Kek, look all the roaches seethe.

>>723892938
He looks kinda zesty.

>>723872412
The hell is going on in Russia?

>>723892938
a brass bull for anyone who came up with the idea of adding those faggot 3d portraits to EU5 instead of the usual art

>>723891596
I wonder what these “ambitions” are

Can I colonize the new world and genocide the natives?

>>723893550
Muscovites were contained before they could spread like a virus.

>>723893674
the columbian exchange will do that for you

>>723872412
apparently the AI can't deal with revolts and that knee caps them and paradox are working on a fix but I have no clue if they'll get that working by launch, they'll probably just end up railroading the AI to fake it till they come up with a solution

>>723894223
So it will be like invading the Timurids? Might be fun.

>>723872412
it all seems so futile

>>723894223
making rebellions spawn whole new countries instead of just an army is such a braindead idea given how incapable of maneuvering their armies during war the AI is

>>723894930
Wait if rebelions spawn new countries does that mean putting them down causes agressive expansion penalty?

>>723895154
probably not, they're just glorified reconquest wars

>>723895349
I wonder. Are there people who play EU4 and don't just quit if they lose territory?

>>723895653
I try to, but the AI is very keen on dogpiling losers

>>723895770
I've heard it can turn into a nightmare once imperialsm is unlocked and every AI in the entire game declares on you all at once.

So what's florry's deal? There's no way a human can be that fucking good, right? He must have turbo-autism or something.

>>723896035
over 20k hours in the game, mate
he's the CEO of high-functioning autism

>>723893590
They are trying to casualize it while at the same time adding Meiou mechanics Idk what their plan is. My first mod download will get rid of that useless window.

>>723896124
Not a bad idea, but it will be such a pain in the ass to update that mod with every new version over the next 14 years. I'll just have to get used to it.

>>723892938
No matter how shit the game will be the AtE mod will save it same as it did CK3.

>>723891179
Multithreading is in fact actual magic

>>723896697
>AtE
Woke trans slop.

>>723897251
Too bad, but I like it more than vanilla CK3 or even Elder Kings 2.

>>723889246
Its supposed to be better

>>723870521 (OP)
nowhere, I'm not playing until all eu4 achievements have been completed

>>723895653
The problem with EU4 and losing/winning is that it's pretty all or nothing, leading to the snowbally nature of the game. Unless your nation is big to handle it (i.e. ottomans or spain) and you pay them off or something, one war is pretty much all it takes to cripple your country as you will never recover from losing a shitton of land and paying max money on top of the debt mid war. You can see this in game with Muscovy either becoming mega russia or losing a single war to the ottomans, going 3000 into debt and never recovering.
I find it funny that the in game tooltips tell you one war isn't the end, they're right, its only the beginning of your collapse.

>>723884608
Stellaris was ruined so bad that you couldn't play the game normally unless your computer was a god machine due to the late game lag

>>723870521 (OP)
I've seen the timelapses and it's a mess. The mechanics don't simulate later ages properly.

>>723898683
AI is retarded and yes, losing a big war will stall your playthrough considerably, but you're just bad if you can never recover and continue growing.

>>723872412
Even without mission trees all they had to do is make the ai desire to be the hegemon of whatever region their capital is. So all the Turks would have a higher desire to conquer land in Anatolia. From there you could make it so they start desiring neighboring regions once they have 80%~ of their home region. Making them function at a basic level without mission trees seems so basic.

>>723898683
That's a problem for AI, you can typically recover from a loss pretty well.
I liked how Victoria 2 did it, having your core lands seized would give you Revanchism percentages that gave you considerable buffs which would help you and the AI in next conflicts.

>>723879881
>Sweden is ruined, lost its empire status forever, never to come back
That happened only with the great northern war

>>723896697
SHEEEEIT! They will make the teams abandon ck3

>>723899083
EU4 has revanchism as a mechanic as well, it's really strong on the lucky nations since at 100 revanchism they get -2 interest per annum on loans.
>>723898974
I agree, good players will just exploit dev, sell crownland and continue the infinite hyperwar to keep growing but I doubt that's most of the players who'll just quit out when they see they get dec'd on by the ottomans or something.

>>723899687
It's pretty context dependent I think. For example if you're trying some Karabakh->Armenia game and the Ottomans are incredibly successful and already beat the Mamluks and meanwhile you've barely gotten on your feet, an Ottoman dow can be game ending.
It's not so much about your progressing slowing down and more about theirs snowballing even harder.

>>723876929
I build the Eggman empire each time

>>723899020
Ottoman capital is in the Balkans, not Anatolia.

>>723876929
>>Poland, to rebuild the glory of the Commonwealth
Bro thought he could sneak that in without anyone noticing

>>723899269
They literally just released the new version.

>>723878718
>and that's a good thing, i'm tired of EU4 where by 1820 there are only 20 countries left
nobody plays until 1820 and also that's a good thing

>>723881504
If Poland doesn't compete those lands then they're automatically surrendered to Russia, so now Russia is stronger and Poland is weaker. Focusing more on Hungary would just replace Russia with Ottomans, except now there's an uncontested schizo retard breathing down your neck in the east.
The mistake was allowing the country to become proto-America and letting the 1% do whatever it wants.

boomp it

>>723872412
>paradrones are unironically defending this video

>>723906714
Relax bro.
Day 1 patch will fix it.
Trust Johan.

>>723908164
Jawohl, just like Steiners attack it will fix everything

>>723872412
>EU5 will suck on the release
>All Under Heaven will probably be underbaked and unoptimized. High chance it will kill CK3 in the long term
>HOI4 is getting barebones content
>Vic3 and Stellarrs are abandoned
Paradoxsisters, I don't feel so good...

>>723910652
Trust the plan.