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What's your favorite game about how the Christian God is real and all powerful and that he has a plan for everyone, even the smallest creature, even the most vile creature, and that no matter how lost you may think you are, you are always on the path exactly where the Christian God intended and you will arrive at your fate precisely when you mean to?
Mine is Return of the King for gamecube
Anonymous No.723951489 [Report] >>723961979 >>723965547 >>723969369
>>723951363 (OP)
Anonymous No.723953535 [Report]
Predestination is wack.
Anonymous No.723954832 [Report] >>723954976 >>723957164 >>723958516 >>723964337 >>723965153 >>723972684 >>723975713
>>723951363 (OP)
so for some people God just has a plan to torture them in Hell for all eternity and free will doesn't exist? cool
Anonymous No.723954908 [Report]
>>723951363 (OP)
Deltarune.
Anonymous No.723954918 [Report]
dibs on gandalf
Anonymous No.723954929 [Report] >>723955052 >>723955719
>>723951363 (OP)
You either are ignorant about Christianity and free will or you are purposefully misrepresenting it.
I think it's the latter.
Anonymous No.723954976 [Report] >>723955014
>>723954832
somehow in LotR both free will exist and also the Christian God has a plan for everyone and everything
Anonymous No.723955014 [Report] >>723955052 >>723955315
>>723954976
>Christian God has a plan for everyone and everything
nah I think Iluvatar just winged it with Gollum
Anonymous No.723955052 [Report] >>723955231 >>723955315
>>723954929
one of the major themes in lotr is meeting one's fate and how everything is God's plan, but some guy on /his/ claims they have free will and that God has a bunch of plans for if Bilbo had killed Golum or something
>>723955014
>lucks out Bilbo didn't kill golum
>fuck it, the gross gremlin will destroy the ring and save the world by accident
Anonymous No.723955062 [Report] >>723955323
>>723951363 (OP)
Catholics arent Christian, OP
Anonymous No.723955161 [Report] >>723955241 >>723955432 >>723958682
the abrahamic religions appear much dumber when you realise free will doesn’t exist
Anonymous No.723955163 [Report]
Play Rain World and learn about the cruel and inevitable karmic furnace wheel of Samsara and our inevitable yet unfathomably long ascension beyond it. Your hope will not save you.
Anonymous No.723955231 [Report] >>723955323
>>723955052
>everything is God's plan
if everything was God's plan then Iluvatar wouldn't have to interfere directly like he did with Numentor, literally using his hax powers to kill Al-Pharazon's army, sink Numenor and btfo flat middle-earthers
Anonymous No.723955241 [Report] >>723955357
>>723955161
If God is all-powerful, then he has the ability to avert his gaze and not know what the future will be, thus creating true free will.
Anonymous No.723955310 [Report]
>>723951363 (OP)
gOD, funDIE!
Anonymous No.723955315 [Report] >>723955358
>>723955014
>>723955052
I thought the point was that when Gollum got the ring back on the edge he was so focused on the ring and holding it to look at it that he didn’t even pay attention to being on the edge and lost his balance footing when slightly leaning back from holding the ring directly up. I thought he that made the most sense thematically but apparently Tolkien said that a god helped blow Gollum down
Anonymous No.723955318 [Report]
>>723951363 (OP)
AND MY AXE
Anonymous No.723955323 [Report] >>723955432 >>723958674 >>723958680
>>723955062
Catholics are the only Christians
>>723955231
then why is Tolkein so obsessed with fate in LotR? a lot of shit just happens by coincidence. because pippin is a retard gandalf gets killed and comes back as gandalf the white, merry and pippin get captured and then meet the tree dudes and then convince the tree dudes to fuck up the white wizard and then due to their experience with the tree dudes they lead a raid in the shire to to liberate it from the white wizard
Anonymous No.723955334 [Report] >>723955435 >>723957164
>>723951363 (OP)
>Christian god
Not a unique thing. Rabbi Yeshua "the Christ" (anointed one) was a Hebrew who worshiped Hebrew gods. By the time he was born they trimmed their pantheon down to one god, Yahweh. Herald of storms and lighter of forges. Yeshua never claimed to be Yahweh made flesh, only a "child" of Yahweh, aka a Hebrew.

To contribute: Actraiser
Anonymous No.723955338 [Report] >>723956941 >>723957067 >>723957345 >>723957596 >>723957613 >>723957798
>>723951363 (OP)
Imagine believing in god, when children die of cancer and other more painful things. Where was the great "plan" of care and love for them, retard?
No one is looking out for us. You are just afraid of the truth.
Anonymous No.723955357 [Report] >>723955482 >>723955559
>>723955241
averting his gaze means he is no longer all powerful
Anonymous No.723955358 [Report]
>>723955315
God planned for Bilbo to spare Golum just so God himself could push Golum into lava to destroy the ring
Anonymous No.723955376 [Report] >>723956903
>>723951363 (OP)
>for gamecube
>F1 Help
Anonymous No.723955432 [Report]
>>723955161
>in most religions human's soul is his immortal part which contains his essence in personality
>we now know that you can affect arts of human's brain to turn off or enhance certain parts of their personality
>damage the brain and a kind and loving person will become easily irritable

>>723955323
that's how it is sometimes, it wouldn't be fun if the Brotherhood just sneaked through Moria without accident

also LotR is influenced by myths and myths are often about fate, prophecies and so on
Anonymous No.723955435 [Report] >>723955959 >>723957885
>>723955334
I feel sorry for you because you have let your /pol/ antisemitism twist your mind so badly that you cannot see the truth in front of you of your eyes. I just said the prayer that you might find Christ and gain eternal life anon.
Anonymous No.723955482 [Report]
>>723955357
how>
Anonymous No.723955559 [Report] >>723955682
>>723955357
That’s where you’re wrong. God can do all things, if you don’t understand that is because God is beyond human comprehension.
Anonymous No.723955589 [Report] >>723955772
>>723951363 (OP)
>hmmm let me see...
>an autistic lowcow groomed by online retards and feds into raping his own elderly mother... NOW THAT'S A SCRIPT!
Anonymous No.723955682 [Report] >>723964163
>>723955559
God is a being you only worship out of fear, you surrender your agency to a being who does not care about you in the slightest out of the misplaced belief that you are an important cog in his machine. Be appalled by the absurdity of reason.
Anonymous No.723955719 [Report]
>>723954929
tell that to a calvinist
Anonymous No.723955772 [Report]
>>723955589
>20 years old, now to remove all the hair from anon's head
>just the top of his head though, he can keep the side hair, also his balls and asscrack can stay hairy, in fact his ass can have more hair, ears too
Anonymous No.723955796 [Report] >>723956147
>God is a being you only worship out of fear, you surrender your agency to a being who does not care about you in the slightest out of the misplaced belief that you are an important cog in his machine. Be appalled by the absurdity of reason.
Anonymous No.723955881 [Report] >>723955945
>>723951363 (OP)
Christc*ck golem thread, do engage and point and laugh.
Anonymous No.723955945 [Report]
>>723955881
>t. zoomer too young to play return of the king on gamecube
Anonymous No.723955959 [Report]
>>723955435
>You understand a well-documented history and this makes you a bad person

I said a prayer to the man in the moon that you'll stop playing make-believe with the desert gods of a tribe you don't even belong to. For fuck's sake, you retards carry around the Tanakh as your "holy book" and then you get mad when we point out your entire faith comes from ancient mystics that made sacrifices to the stars (read Leviticus, it's not a minor thing). Your hyper ignorance of your own faith isn't a shield to protect you from reality.
Anonymous No.723956056 [Report]
>>723951363 (OP)
I hate the demiurge and all of his willing slaves.
Anonymous No.723956083 [Report]
>>723951363 (OP)
I'm playing Akuji, it has the devil in it so that makes it almost Christian, I mean if the devil is real (baron samedi) then God has to be real
Anonymous No.723956147 [Report] >>723956297 >>723959301
>>723955796
You only worship God because he is stronger than you, because it is behaviour of the weak to fold to the strong if they see no other way of surviving. That is why you worship him, not because he loves you but because you don't want to displease the higher power. It is akin to a battered wife saying her husband is loving just because he decides not hit too hard on a good day, sin is just a foolish cope to explain how God's unprovoked transgressions against us is somehow our fault

Mankind will never be freed from the yolk of this insanity unless we unite and kill God.
Anonymous No.723956292 [Report] >>723956376
>>723951363 (OP)
pretty sure tolkien wasn't a calvinist
Anonymous No.723956297 [Report] >>723956413
>>723956147
>sin is just a foolish cope to explain how God's unprovoked transgressions against us is somehow our fault
Anonymous No.723956376 [Report]
>>723956292
one of the themes in LotR is meeting your fate and the LotR's version of God's plan
Anonymous No.723956413 [Report] >>723956534
>>723956297
Consensual sex is a sin? Do you not see the ridiculousness of what you are saying? Break free! Come unbound from the chains of delusion! God is our enemy, not an absentee father to crave affection from.
Anonymous No.723956534 [Report] >>723956659
>>723956413
sin is bad and always leads to bad things, just look at our modern world for proof of that. You wanna sin? You can? It will lead to hell, a hell of your own making
Anonymous No.723956567 [Report]
>>723951363 (OP)
new kind of bait, never seen this one before
Anonymous No.723956585 [Report]
The only god is Lord Moloch, the insane demon god who hates everything good and wants to corrupt and consume the entire cosmos out of sheer unadulterated spite.
Anonymous No.723956659 [Report] >>723956803 >>723957158 >>723962426
>>723956534
Sin is a delusion created by fools to justify why God unleashes evil upon us. There is no greater hell than living in a world where everyone is subject to the cruel whims of an uncaring higher power that only sees you as a cog at best or a plaything at worst.

To denounce sin is to denounce human nature, it is to denounce yourself. You will never be free of "sin" because its a delusional shackle placed upon us by fools leading fools.
Anonymous No.723956662 [Report] >>723956721 >>723956940 >>723957856
what was the plan here
Anonymous No.723956721 [Report]
>>723956662
teaching people not to make fun of baldoids or a bear will eat you
Anonymous No.723956803 [Report] >>723956956
>>723956659
Just forget about God for a second, only use logic, you think there are no consequences to do all those things you want? Fuck anyone you want you get stds, eat anything you want you get fat, kill anyone you want you get chaos. Seems to me like the entity to warns us against this stuff actually has our best interest at heart and the ones encouraging it mean to destroy us
Anonymous No.723956853 [Report] >>723956942
Anonymous No.723956903 [Report]
>>723955376
>his wavebird doesn't have an f1 button
Anonymous No.723956940 [Report]
>>723956662
42 children???? Was he mocked by an entire schoolyear?
Anonymous No.723956941 [Report]
>>723955338
I once thought like this. And then I discovered hallucinogens
God is real, life is a stage, and in the end all will be OK
Anonymous No.723956942 [Report]
>>723956853
Anonymous No.723956956 [Report]
>>723956803
Sex is a natural desire
Eating is a natural desire
Killing is a natural part of life

The moderation with which we handle these has nothing to do with the teachings of God or else we literally wouldn't be here. God did not teach you these "morals", your fellow man did. You are attributing to God what God has never done anyone ever.
Anonymous No.723957067 [Report] >>723957103 >>723958296
>>723955338
You are inventing a God who would not allow children to die of cancer and other more painful things. Read the Bible to learn the true God. He has a plan. Also, you must keep in mind that satan works very hard to destroy God's creations and efforts.
Anonymous No.723957103 [Report]
>>723957067
>He has a plan
TRUST THE PLAN. TWO MORE WEEKS
Anonymous No.723957158 [Report] >>723957212
>>723956659
>Sin is a delusion created by fools to justify why God unleashes evil upon us

Yes, the truth is that Lord Moloch hates us all and wants us to suffer for His amusement.
Anonymous No.723957164 [Report] >>723958141 >>723958596 >>723960743
>>723951363 (OP)
>Mine is Return of the King for gamecube
Fuck you. That's stupid... It's Two Towers for the PS2.

>>723954832
>hell for all eternity
The "eternity" part is a mistranslation. The "torture" part is never stated in the Bible. God doesn't put people in Hell, people choose to go there by rejecting God. God is the source of all good in the universe, so by rejecting God you're choosing to go a place away from all goodness, i.e. Hell.
>free will doesn't exist
I disagree with OP on this, I think it does.
>>723955334
>By the time he was born they trimmed their pantheon down to one god, Yahweh. Herald of storms and lighter of forges
This has always been extremely flimsy speculation that atheists have pushed very hard because they want it to be an easy "gotcha".
But the proof doesn't exist, just possible circumstancial evidence that may merely be a different name for the same thing.

https://jimmyakin.com/2018/11/god-under-another-name.html

There is no proof for the existence of God, and there's also no proof that God isn't real, nor is there any conclusive proof that God was originally a different figure from a different pantheon.

It's all a matter of belief.
Anonymous No.723957191 [Report]
Predestination is Calvanist and I don't approve.
Anonymous No.723957212 [Report]
>>723957158
ONE MORE GOD REJECTED
Anonymous No.723957345 [Report] >>723957393 >>723960786
>>723955338
>when children die of cancer and other more painful things. Where was the great "plan" of care and love for them, retard?
If we're working under the assumption Christianity is right, that also means eternal Heaven is right. So there's your care and love.

A few years of chemo is a blip compared to an eternity of happiness.

Also let's bear in mind we have a world with free will, as a result people have the option to make bad choices. For example, choosing to spend their time shitposting instead of curing cancer.
We could have Heaven on Earth already if people would just make good choices with their free will. We could cure every disease and make life totally pain free.
But people choose not to.
Anonymous No.723957393 [Report] >>723957442 >>723957445 >>723957820 >>723957935
>>723957345
Why doesn't God kill all people as soon as they're born? They get to go to eternal Heaven after all.
Anonymous No.723957442 [Report] >>723957540
>>723957393
What would be the point of that? Nta
Anonymous No.723957445 [Report]
>>723957393
god works in mysterious ways
Anonymous No.723957540 [Report] >>723957786 >>723957820
>>723957442
What's the point of allowing children, and babies, to die from external circumstances?
What's the point of making people who are mentally deficient and thus incapable of making proper reasonable choices?
What's the point in being alive right now if heaven exists?
Anonymous No.723957596 [Report] >>723957687 >>723957959
>>723955338
The problem of evil is one of the most anmateur and debated philosophical and theological questions in religious history. There are hundreds of texts and arguments for you to find your answer to that question, but there are hundreds of texts because really there is no one answer. That is the entire point of it all anon. Faith. The whole point is faith. Without faith there is no God. With God there is no faith. Faith IS the point
Anonymous No.723957613 [Report] >>723958486 >>723959278
>>723955338
Most pain on this earth that atheists blame God for in their non-nelief is actually caused by other humans. Cancer wasn't a thing until Rockefeller started putting petroleum products in food and pharmaceuticals. Go to your grocery store and try to find some secondary product (aka not raw) that isn't full of fake bullshit. Then realize they do that to your water, your air, your entertainment, everything is fucked with on the microscopic level just to get you unhealthy and squeeze as much money they can out of you in treating your "symptoms" they cause.
But no, keep blaming God thinking that our sun, the source of all life, is killing people.
Anonymous No.723957687 [Report]
>>723957596
Nah the point is fear, all deities exist as a way of explaining the absurdity and unknowns of the world. Gods only exist to give reasons behind these mysteries and to allay our fears
Anonymous No.723957783 [Report]
I get confused about a lot of theological discussion but I know that all sin has done for me is be a pure detriment to my life. I realize that more and more as I age so I continue to go church and I trust what they tell me, I am not smart enough to understand the reasons behind the things like the mysteries but I know that everything God wants from me betters my life. I hope to continue to be a better person than I was yesterday even if I still make mistakes
Anonymous No.723957786 [Report] >>723958339
>>723957540
We are here to be tested. I see this all as God's dream. We do the same exact thing in our dreams, we test ourselves and discard fragments we find detrimental to our daily lives in to the realm of nightmares where the monsters born out of discarded fragments reside in. I have tested entities I find in lucid dreams and find them oddly conscious. This is a microcosm of our reality which is the dream of the god-head, be useful and overcome the adversities thrown your way or be discarded in the realm of God's nightmares where the monsters reside, in hell
Anonymous No.723957798 [Report]
>>723955338
>when children die of cancer and other more painful things. Where was the great "plan" of care and love for them, retard?

It makes Lord Moloch laugh.
Anonymous No.723957814 [Report]
>>723951363 (OP)
>that he has a plan for everyone, even the smallest creature, even the most vile creature, and that no matter how lost you may think you are, you are always on the path exactly where the (((God))) intended and you will arrive at your fate precisely when you mean to?
Thats sounds like tzeentch, not christian god.
Anonymous No.723957820 [Report] >>723958339
>>723957393
Interesting question. Book of Job's answer is basically "you can't possibly understand the reasoning behind a completely all powerful being who created the entire Universe".
Which in itself should be considered a reasonable explanation. Really try and imagine putting yourselves in the shoes of a galaxy brain, you can't. Nobody can think on that level.

But if I was to guess, I would say life on Earth is a test of humans' love for God.
The entire Bible has that structure the whole way through, from the Garden of Eden through to the crucifixion of Jesus:

>1: God presents humans with the opportunity to choose him and be rewarded in the long term, or choose something else for a short-term reward (the forbidden fruit, idols of Baal, Bathsheba, a scapegoat for Barabbas, etc)
>2: Humans almost always choose something other than God eventually
>3: Bad things happen due to the rejection of God
>4: Next generation of humans. Go back to step 1

Then eventually with Jesus, you get a spin on this pattern, in the other direction:
>1: God manifests himself in real life as a human who can feel pain. He gives himself the symbolic choice between painfully sacrificing himself for humanity, or short-term reward.
>2: He chooses to painfully die to demonstrate his love for humanity.

If you were in God's shoes, and you wanted to create companions for yourself, you already have angels, but they are not very good companions because they're basically robotic extensions of yourself. They have no free will, just the Praise God routine.

But if you create humans, give them free will, and let them choose between you and something else, and they choose you? Then you've got a companion who meaningfully loves you (abstractly).
>>723957540
The "external circumstances" could be mitigated if humanity wanted to. If we had all used our free will from day 0 to make life better, we could have already cured every disease and stopped every preventable death.
Anonymous No.723957856 [Report] >>723958642
>>723956662
I can't find this anywhere even looking through the index. Anything mentioning bethel is situated in juge and genesis.

More wojaktrash spreading lies I take it.
Anonymous No.723957885 [Report]
>>723955435
>reddity passive aggressive tone
The hell awaits you.
Anonymous No.723957935 [Report] >>723957979 >>723958429
>>723957393
If life is so awful, why don't YOU kill yourself? It's always been an option
Life must actually be alright if you're still here posting
Anonymous No.723957959 [Report]
>>723957596
yes yes, its so amateurishly stupid that its been debated for thousands of years because the answer is obvious. or perhaps all the debate is there is because there is no proper answer to it, just "trust the plan" worded in various ways.
Anonymous No.723957979 [Report]
>>723957935
Because Lord Moloch wants us alive to suffer.
Anonymous No.723958036 [Report] >>723958092
>he fell for the jewish babble
lol lmao even is your name even of your kin
Anonymous No.723958092 [Report] >>723958194
>>723958036
hello kike bot
Anonymous No.723958135 [Report]
>>723951363 (OP)
Persona 5
Anonymous No.723958141 [Report] >>723958474 >>723960140
>>723957164
>the proof doesn't exist,
I mean Hebrew history is pretty well documented. Archeologists have been examining Mesopotamia since archeology was a thing.

We have the entire Canaanite pantheon well-recorded (where the Hebrews adopted their gods) and Yahweh has always been among them. El, or El-ohim, was his father (fuck, the word Israel literally translates to "Exalts in El"). The entire thing in the Bible with the golden calf (Exodus 32) were the followers of Ba'al Hadad, a very popular bull headed god back then, who hadn't yet converted to Yahwehism.

Ashera, Moloch, Dagon, Shapash. All Yahweh's contemporaries, all worshiped by the Hebrew-adjacent tribes at some point in between 2000 BC and 400 BC. One rabbi cult leader who claimed to be magic didn't suddenly re-write history. Nor did he ever claim once to change the nature of YHWH in any way, he was a devout follower his entire life. Believe whatever you want, but reality stays the same.

>there's also no proof that God isn't real
There's an infinite lack of proof for infinite stupid things that might exist. That is a pointless statement.
>You can't prove there isn't an invisible purple dragon jerking off right behind you at all times, so therefore, it must be real. I accept your concession.
That's how fucking retarded you are.
Anonymous No.723958194 [Report] >>723958356 >>723958532
>>723958092
you're the one who worships jewish gods, jewish faith, and jewish people
Anonymous No.723958296 [Report]
>>723957067
How do you know which one is the good guy?
Anonymous No.723958339 [Report] >>723958474 >>723959254
>>723957786
This nigga is quoting Elder Scrolls lore.

>>723957820
This doesn't work because the nature of the test relies on us literally not knowing jackshit and deciding to go along with God just because. The entirety of the story Eden is about two naive trusting people doing something that had no way of knowing would curse them at the suggestion of a being they had no reason not to trust nor did they have the ability to think better of it.

The crucifixion of Jesus was not an act of matyrdom it was a death sentence carried out for political reasons that was overly embellished for the sake of religious power, there was no sensible way you can call this a test because nothing was ever being tested beyond whether or not you thought this one prophet of many was as important as his followers claimed he was.

This applies to many more stories in the bible because the nature of the tests is so heavily abstract that the only way to pass is to have near delusional levels of faith in God for no other reason than just because. The entire concept of "God works in mysterious ways" isn't because he's a galaxy brain its because its the only way to explain any obvious retardation or inconsistancies.
Anonymous No.723958356 [Report] >>723958418
>>723958194
But Jews hate Christians specifically because Christians are God's (Sol Invictus) Chosen peoples. Cope.
Anonymous No.723958418 [Report]
>>723958356
jews love christians because christians worship israel. ben shapiro is telling you good goyim to go back to church.
Anonymous No.723958429 [Report] >>723959254
>>723957935
Life's pretty cool. The odds of me existing at all are lower than the odds of winning the Powerball lottery twice in one week. I'm going to do cool shit that releases dopamine in my ape body until it doesn't work anymore and then I'm out.

If the ghost world is so amazing, why aren't you there right now? Oh, you're a taking a test made by an invisible man to see if you're worthy of his flying castle? How's it going? Have you stopped enjoying your brief existence long enough to abide by his ridiculous rules? I'm guessing if you're here, you failed miserably. So why do you still pretend he's your friend?
Anonymous No.723958451 [Report] >>723958694
>>723951363 (OP)
christianity is evil (and so is judaism and islam)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CMXXzSD-mo
Anonymous No.723958474 [Report]
>>723958141
>>723958339
Your arrogance will be your undoing. Your love of flesh will be your destruction. Your pride in self will be your downfall. You think you are so wise, yet your knowledge is all worldly. You utterly lack the ability to see beyond the what is seen. You are a prisoner of the world.
Anonymous No.723958486 [Report]
>>723957613
>humans deserve cancer
>I have to believe this or else my religion falls apart
Dude, of your religion requires you to LARP constantly and say things that aren’t true and that no one with a brain believes, then maybe it’s time for you to move on to something else.
Anonymous No.723958516 [Report] >>723963576 >>723967316
>>723954832
You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? Will the thing molded say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this”? Or does not the potter have authority over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? And what if God, wanting to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath having been prepared for destruction, and in order that He might make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory— even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles?
— Romans 9:19-24
Anonymous No.723958532 [Report] >>723958669 >>723958681 >>723958690 >>723959001
>>723958194
do you know why jews were expelled out of every country in europe throughout the middle ages? it was because of christianity. there is a reason they shill psyops with bots all over twitter and pol, you are just cattle
Anonymous No.723958596 [Report] >>723959601
>>723957164
Hell is eternal.

And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to reproach and everlasting contempt.
— Daniel 12:2

And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
— Revelation 20:10

Free will does not exist.

Then God said to him in the dream, “Indeed, I know that in the integrity of your heart you have done this, and I also held you back from sinning against Me; therefore I did not let you touch her.
— Genesis 20:6

And Yahweh said to Moses, “When you go to return to Egypt, see to it that all the miraculous wonders which I have put in your hand, that you do them before Pharaoh; but as for Me, I will harden his heart with strength so that he will not let the people go.
— Exodus 4:21
Anonymous No.723958642 [Report] >>723963480
>>723957856
retard
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Kings%202&version=NIV
Muslim No.723958645 [Report] >>723958796 >>723962196
>>723951363 (OP)
Why does predestination buck break unbelievers so hard, yet they'd willingly believe Schrodinger's Cat and other heckin science theories with ease?
Anonymous No.723958669 [Report]
>>723958532
got christ golem
use their names make them your money lenders replaced most of you already
Anonymous No.723958674 [Report]
>>723955323
>why is Tolkein so obsessed with fate in LotR?
Germanic pagan influence
Anonymous No.723958680 [Report]
>>723955323
Now these things, brothers, I have applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to go beyond what is written, so that no one of you will become puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
— 1 Corinthians 4:6

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not of works, so that no one may boast.
— Ephesians 2:8-9
Anonymous No.723958681 [Report]
>>723958532
why did christians kill and forcibly convert european pagans but at worst just made the jews relocate?
Anonymous No.723958682 [Report]
>>723955161
All religions are pretty much retarded.
Some form of Eco-Animism probably makes the most sense in reality (We would not be alive without Earth and the Sun and the Earth can very much fucking kill all of us) but no religion is really just that.
Daoism is the religion with the most interesting ideas, but a fuckload of them are turbo retardation and it really gets to the point what is the difference between religion and philosophy?
Anonymous No.723958690 [Report]
>>723958532
>only by adopting Judaism, second edition can you resist Judaism, first edition
Seems a bit like swallowing the cat to catch the bird, no?
Anonymous No.723958694 [Report] >>723959946
>>723958451
nonsense book written by a female british journalist
Anonymous No.723958796 [Report] >>723959282
>>723958645
your prophet got assfucked by jeets lmao
Anonymous No.723958804 [Report]
>>723951363 (OP)
kys calvanist retard.
Anonymous No.723958864 [Report]
This thread reeks of /x/ and /his/
Anonymous No.723958903 [Report]
god intended me to jack off to cartoons
Anonymous No.723959001 [Report] >>723959124 >>723959260
>>723958532
European pagans would have killed them and fixed the problem once and for all.
Anonymous No.723959061 [Report]
God intended for me to be a comfy NEET playing vidya. Thanks bro.
Anonymous No.723959093 [Report] >>723959217
God intended for me to rape my younger sister, thanks man!
Anonymous No.723959124 [Report]
>>723959001
It’s more likely that either or both Germanic pagans or Roman pagans would have enslaved them. It would be better if the Germanic pagans got their hands on them because they usually forcibly converted slaves to paganism.
Anonymous No.723959217 [Report]
>>723959093
God only approves of wholesome sibling lovemaking.
Anonymous No.723959223 [Report]
Christianity is the biggest psyop in human history. The Bible reads like a schizo shitpost about an abusive dad who hates his kids but throws a hissy fit whenever they break his 'rules'.
Anonymous No.723959254 [Report] >>723959853 >>723960458
>>723958339
>This doesn't work because the nature of the test relies on us literally not knowing jackshit and deciding to go along with God just because
The nature of the test is actually fairly reasonable:
>the religion has holy texts available that tell you the way to go and the right things to do
>the right things to do usually benefit you and everyone around you in the long run, so it's reasonable to follow them (e.g. don't steal, don't murder, don't fuck other people's wives, don't lie, be good to other people and treat them as you want to be treated)

>The crucifixion of Jesus was not an act of matyrdom it was a death sentence carried out for political reasons
As portrayed in the Bible, which is still the only (collection of) source (s) we have that directly addresses the event, it is shown as an act of martyrdom willingly entered into, with Jesus choosing not to flee the city, and choosing not to address the accusations against him or even admit to them (e.g. Pilate trying to let Jesus off the hook), which led to his death.
>there was no sensible way you can call this a test because nothing was ever being tested
The test in that instance was God demonstrating to humanity that he could endure pain for the sake of demonstrating His love for others.

>The entirety of the story Eden is about two naive trusting people doing something that had no way of knowing would curse them
I think them being "naive" is a common assumption but not actually specifically stated in the text. God very clearly told them that death would occur if they chose the forbidden fruit.
>>723958429
>ridiculous rules
They're generally pretty reasonable, as seen above. You can live a very good and fulfilling life while following the Ten Commandments.
Anonymous No.723959260 [Report] >>723959336 >>723959462 >>723959894 >>723962632
>>723959001
pagans were uncivilized violent niggers who got raped. nigger slaves think the same thing about america if only they killed all witie and took over. pagan larpers are so retarded. white people almost ruled the entire world under a civilized monarchy, we built the most timeless beautiful cities throughout europe. pagans did nothing but rape and steal
Anonymous No.723959278 [Report]
>>723957613
You are a fucking retard.
Muslim No.723959282 [Report] >>723960554
>>723958796
>this bait again
Is that all you got?
/pol/, sharty, or jeet raiders intentionally mixing a real event involving a visit with Jinn, with a fake incident with supposed group of Zutt (middle eastern jeet-stock gypsies). The supposed links are the "drawing a line in the sand" and the verb "ركب" which in its context means to ride with or accompany.

Search results for the real event can be traced far back to the 90s: https://binbaz.org.sa/audios/730/04-%D9%85%D9%86-%D9%82%D9%88%D9%84%D9%87-%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B0-%D8%B5%D8%B1%D9%81%D9%86%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%83-%D9%86%D9%81%D8%B1%D8%A7-%D9%85%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D9%86-%D9%8A%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%85%D8%B9%D9%88%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86-1

Meanwhile search results for the fake event with the Zutt only appear from 2023 onwards. The focus on Zutt is because they are pre-Islamic jeets so the sad cretin OP is trying to find any kind of "own" against the Arabs/Muslims.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zu%E1%B9%AD%E1%B9%AD

Try harder, you're not convincing anybody.
Anonymous No.723959301 [Report]
>>723956147
yoke, anon. Not yolk like a fucking chicken's egg.
Anonymous No.723959336 [Report]
>>723959260
We owe far more to the Romans and the Greeks then we do to some crucified Jew.
Anonymous No.723959462 [Report] >>723959775
>>723959260
>pagans were uncivilized violent niggers
uh huh pagans just suck so bad that you stole like half their culture and infused it into Christianity
Shit, most christians call the fucking god of Israel either Odin (God) or Jupiter (Deus), and you call your bad afterlife Hell (Germanic: Hel)
Anonymous No.723959601 [Report] >>723959941
>>723958596
Yeah, that's the King James version, a medieval translation and as I said, results from a mistranslation.
The KJV makes multiple other errors and changes, like removing the part about overthrowing bad kings, because King James didn't approve of the language.

There are multiple parts in the Bible even in the KJV itself that make the KJV's contradiction clear, for example the original Greek says "eons" (ages) denoting a clear start and end time, and being thrown into the lake is described as "the second death", which does not imply immortality.
>Free will does not exist
Temporary halt of free will =/= there is never any free will ever.
If anything, those passages imply that under normal circumstances, Pharaoh *would* be free to choose whatever he wanted rather than what God wanted.
Anonymous No.723959775 [Report]
>>723959462
It's more likely that with Orphism; Europe was close to it's own monotheistic renaissance and other groups saw it as an opportunity to consolidate Europe into Asian spheres of influence.
Anonymous No.723959853 [Report] >>723960964 >>723961987
>>723959254
>the religion has holy texts available that tell you the way to go and the right things to do
The bible did not exist before it's earliest chapters were drafted in Rome, before then you had other religious texts and the words of prophets such as Yeshua(Jesus for you romantics).
> (e.g. don't steal, don't murder, don't fuck other people's wives, don't lie, be good to other people and treat them as you want to be treated)
Nothing to do with Holy doctrines, these are memes that have been passed down and learned from experience through out the ages. Wild animals also adhere to these natural memes.
>which is still the only (collection of) source (s)
No, there are other sources of the event such as from Tacitus, a roman historian. The bible is obviously going to be inherently biased.
>The test in that instance was God demonstrating to humanity that he could endure pain for the sake of demonstrating His love for others
This by definition is not a test unless you're saying God is testing himself and making us witnesses to it.
> God very clearly told them that death would occur if they chose the forbidden fruit.
God told them to not eat the fruit but never why, the Snake, whom they had no reason not to trust or be wary of told them to do because lol lmao. Adam and Eve could not know any better and did not have the ability to judge whether or not to trust the Snake because they had no idea of the concept of lying or malicious intent.
Anonymous No.723959894 [Report]
>>723959260
>pagans were uncivilized
which is why it took christianity 1600 years to rebuild rome lol

also all the good stuff in christianity was stolen from paganism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5kHKjuUhrw

christians were the violent niggers that destroyed everything and embraced ignorance that persists til today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNxxg_1baX4
Anonymous No.723959941 [Report]
>>723959601
this post is just classic cope shit by people who are uncomfortable with what the bible says.
1. the KJV bible didnt remove anything from the actual biblical canon, it just omitted marginal notes from earlier manuscripts.
2. the greek word aiṓn was used to refer to both eternal and finite things. you can only definitely claim hell was meant to be finite if you think god and everlasting life in paradise were definitely meant to be finite as well.
Anonymous No.723959946 [Report] >>723961981
>>723958694
if it's nonsense, why didn't the christians preserve any of the homeric epics?
how did they forget how to make concrete?
why did medicine go backwards for a thousand years?
Anonymous No.723960140 [Report] >>723960995 >>723961908
>>723958141
>Archeologists have been examining Mesopotamia since archeology was a thing
Of course. Doesn't prove your point though.

>(fuck, the word Israel literally translates to "Exalts in El")
As my link stated, names for things change all the time:

>Spanish-speaking Christians refer to God as Dios
>Polish-speaking Christians refer to God as Bog (inb4 bogandoff memes)
>German-speaking Christians refer to God as Gott
>Arabic-speaking Christians refer to God as Allah
>Finnish-speaking Christians refer to God as Jumala
>Hungarian-speaking Christians refer to God as Isten

Yet they are all referring to the same deity when they say this.

>The entire thing in the Bible with the golden calf (Exodus 32) were the followers of Ba'al Hadad, a very popular bull headed god back then
>Ashera, Moloch, Dagon, Shapash. All Yahweh's contemporaries, all worshiped by the Hebrew-adjacent tribes at some point in between 2000 BC and 400 BC.
Sorry anon but no shit. Any Christian is fully familiar with the existence of other gods being worshipped contemporaneously with YHWH at the time of the Bible's writing.

But to take "other gods were worshipped at the same time as God" and say "therefore God is actually just a different god under another name" is a MASSIVE logical leap.

Atheists who want an easy gotcha to an unsolved question.
>You can't prove there isn't an invisible purple dragon jerking off right behind you at all times therefore it must be real.
Strawman. At no point have I claimed there is proof God is real, I literally said the exact opposite:
"There is no proof for the existence of God, and there's also no proof that God isn't real".

I choose to believe in God because my ancestors for time immemorial have passed down that belief based on oral and written history that is thousands of years old, which may be completely made up or may be true, but I think it's worth believing that it is true.
Anonymous No.723960435 [Report]
im not a kike so why worship one
Anonymous No.723960458 [Report] >>723961630
>>723959254
>the will of the creator of the universe
>...fairly reasonable
>...usually benefits
>...in the long run

So the omnipotent ruler of everything and the source of all truth, more or less does OK with his instructions? That's reassuring. I'm glad a deity is trying pretty hard to impart wisdom to me through the ramblings of illiterate ancient hobos. Think how lost we'd be without that.
Anonymous No.723960468 [Report]
>>723951363 (OP)
>for gamecube
Blasphemy! It's a ps2 title!
Anonymous No.723960529 [Report] >>723960704
>>723951363 (OP)
God wants me to be addicted to porn?
Anonymous No.723960554 [Report]
>>723959282
>fake incident
So you're claiming a hadith with the highest rank of legitimacy is lying? That's grounds for apostasy.
Anonymous No.723960704 [Report] >>723960741
>>723960529
Yes so that he can punish you in the fires of hell for his amusement
Anonymous No.723960741 [Report]
>>723960704
Which god?
Anonymous No.723960743 [Report]
>>723957164
>The "eternity" part is a mistranslation. The "torture" part is never stated in the Bible. God doesn't put people in Hell, people choose to go there by rejecting God. God is the source of all good in the universe, so by rejecting God you're choosing to go a place away from all goodness,
There is no reading of the Torah or Bible that supports this. You're essentially conflating biblical canon with parts of Dante's Inferno.
If we're going by the original Jewish intention then "hell" is Gehenna, an actual physical place that they exiled people to.
>There's no PROOF god doesn't exist!
That's because the claim is unfalsifiable.
Anonymous No.723960786 [Report]
>>723957345
>It's morally ok for me to torture you if I pamper you afterwards
Christians are such utter psychopaths. Stay away from me and my family.
Anonymous No.723960964 [Report] >>723961196 >>723961747
>>723959853
>The bible did not exist before it's earliest chapters were drafted in Rome, before then you had other religious texts
Yes, the Ten Commandments were set out in the Hebrew texts far earlier, of course.
It's also said in Romans that "the law is written on the human heart", in other words people tend to have an innate sense of morals that lets them know the right thing to do, even if they haven't had exposure to Christianity, Islam, Judaism or one of the many, many offshoots.
So it's fair to expect people to act morally, which is the primary aspect of the "test" God puts before people.
>Nothing to do with Holy doctrines, these are memes that have been passed down and learned from experience through out the ages. Wild animals also adhere to these natural memes
See what I said above. If we're operating under the assumption Christianity is real for the sake of the argument, you can say it's something God has given humanity innately. If not, then there's no point to this argument.
Either way, your original argument was "not knowing jackshit". But if we innately know the right thing to do, then it's a fair test of us to expect us to do what we know is right.
>No, there are other sources of the event such as from Tacitus, a roman historian
I know, that's why I said "directly referenced", but you cut that out of my post.
Tacitus indirectly referenced the event, and does not go into further detail. It just says that Jesus was executed by Pilate, and does not say anything about martyrdom or lack thereof.
>This by definition is not a test unless you're saying God is testing himself and making us witnesses to it
Witnesses to the example, yes. I never said that it specifically was a test of humanity, I said it was switching around the usual order of the Bible by God doing the test on himself.
>God told them to not eat the fruit but never why
"You will die" seems like a reason to me.
Anonymous No.723960995 [Report] >>723961981 >>723962203
>>723960140
>I believe this entirely because my parents and their parents believed it
What an idiotic way to go through life
If you'd been born in India you'd be a devout Hindi
You're just abdicating all responsibility for your own beliefs and actions.
Anonymous No.723961196 [Report] >>723961981
>>723960964
>So it's fair to expect people to act morally, which is the primary aspect of the "test" God puts before people.
No it isn't.
Good deeds very explicitly do not get you into heaven.
A person that fucked babies to death 24/7 but repents and accepts jesus goes to heaven.
A person that did nothing but sacrifice their body and mind to feed the starving and assuage the sick that doesn't recognize Jesus as lord gets tortured forever in hell.
Anonymous No.723961278 [Report] >>723961378 >>723961603
Too many atheists are just butthurt about becoming disillusioned with the faith of their birth and decide that it's better to try to do away with faith as a fuck you to their paren- I mean "conservative christians" instead of searching for deeper meaning in the vast repository of human thought regarding the nature of existence. But no, the girl who does psychedelics and has tent orgies at burning man once said she vibes with some of those things so they automatically think they're too good for that too.
Anonymous No.723961279 [Report] >>723961401
>>723951363 (OP)
Lord of the Rings was written by an African.
Anonymous No.723961378 [Report] >>723961861
>>723961278
Curious - why is it that you think atheism is some kind of petulant illusion than the result of or a step in the search for meaning?
Can you truly not imagine any reason to go on without a god?
I find that sad.
Anonymous No.723961401 [Report] >>723961569
>>723961279
HIS NAME IS J.R.R. TOLKITENGE
Anonymous No.723961525 [Report]
>he worships a jew
of all the religions christcucks are the most cucked
Anonymous No.723961569 [Report]
>>723961401
Yes. He literally was born in Africa. African man wrote the greatest wypipo literary epic.
Anonymous No.723961603 [Report] >>723961861
>>723961278
>no one could ever have a substantive critique of my religion
>they must just be mad at their parents
In attempting to critique the shallowness of atheism, you yourself make shallow jabs and call it a day, without seeing the irony. Sad!
Anonymous No.723961630 [Report] >>723961863 >>723961902
>>723960458
>more or less does OK with his instructions
Let's look at them:
>be nice to other people
>I created the universe and (You), so worship me and not gods you made up yourselves, and be respectful
>have a break on Sundays
>be nice to the parents who raised you
>don't murder, don't fuck other people's wives, don't steal, don't tell lies about people, don't want other people's stuff, because these things cause trouble

Does that seem reasonable to you? Anything particularly unfair there?

>...usually benefits...in the long run
Ultimately everyone who follows gets eternal benefit in Heaven.
When I said "usually" I'm referring to on Earth solely. Through the Bible usually people who devoutly followed God would get rewarded, with exceptions like Job, which was a test - as mentioned earlier.

>I'm glad a deity is trying pretty hard to impart wisdom to me through the ramblings of illiterate ancient hobos
Imagine for a second you're a creator deity and want to create living companions with free will.
But if you just tell them "I'm an all powerful God, here I am, do this thing and you will definitely get good stuff" they'll obviously do it to the letter.
It's the uncertainty that makes it a worthwhile test.
Anonymous No.723961690 [Report]
Sharty posters are fucking weird, man.
Hyper-religious TERFs that somehow don't understand the basics of the religion they use to condemn everyone.
Anonymous No.723961747 [Report] >>723961987 >>723962607
>>723960964
>Yes, the Ten Commandments were set out in the Hebrew texts far earlier, of course.
So why isn't Judaism the corret religion? Or do we have to go back further to even older religions like in Mesopotamia?
>It's also said in Romans that "the law is written on the human heart"
This can't be true because then what's the point of writing it down to begin with if everybody already knows them innately?
>which is the primary aspect of the "test" God puts before people.
But then you have a stories about God punishing a man because he refused to impregnate his dead brother's wife or God punishing the world for daring to build the tower of babel both of which had nothing to do with going against morality
>your original argument was "not knowing jackshit". But if we innately know the right thing to do, then it's a fair test of us to expect us to do what we know is right.
Yes, because the "tests" boil down to whether or not you believe in God, not whether or not you believe in morality. The only time there was ever a moral test is the story of Abraham and Isaac because he had to go against God's order in order to suceed.
>I know, that's why I said "directly referenced", but you cut that out of my post.
I didn't, Tacitus' account directly references the event and even gives greater context about the roman view towards christians and jews individually. "Further Detail" and "Direct Reference" are two different things
>by God doing the test on himself.
Why would God need to test himself? That raises so many questions
>"You will die"
God did not say "You will die" only that it was "forbidden" and then you also have to acknowledge their inability to reasonably judge the snake and what was told to them
Anonymous No.723961861 [Report] >>723962351
>>723961378
Agnostics go on without a clear feeling about a god or immaterial existence and I'm fine with them. Atheists have a clear stance that god or any other kind of immaterial existence don't exist and that's what I find sad. The atheists' faith that there is nothing beyond the material is just as limiting as a christian who sees their faith as completely exceptional and without question.

>>723961603
>no one
I said "too many," retard. Of course there are substantive critiques, and many have established careers and renown for doing so. However, the predominant body of atheists aren't moral philosophers or academics, just like the predominant body of christians aren't theologians and have likely never cracked a bible unless directed to a passage in church.
Anonymous No.723961863 [Report] >>723963256
>>723961630
>Does that seem reasonable to you? Anything particularly unfair there?
Shit man, Odin also says all of that stuff (besides the part about worshipping only the god of Israel or else you go to Hell) in Havamal, and you think he’s either not real or a demon, so gods commandments are at best on the same level of shit humans can come up with
Anonymous No.723961902 [Report] >>723963256
>>723961630
>Everyone who follows the ten commandments goes to heaven and there's nothing unreasonable in there
First: that's simply wrong and your understanding of what it takes to reach heaven in the bible is poor
Second: demanding sole worship is pretty unreasonable.

>Imagine you have a child and you don't want them to touch the stove. You don't just tell them not to or show them it's hot, you have two random strangers write a parable analogous to hot stoves in a different language!
Sounds like a shit parent to me.
Anonymous No.723961908 [Report] >>723963256
>>723960140
>god god god god
That's your primary issue. There has never been a deity named "god" in any religion. Fuck, it wasn't even a word in the English language until like the 6th century, it comes either from the Germanic "gott" or the Norse "gud", roughly meaning a deity such as the Saxons' Woden and Thor, although it can mean "to invoke" or "one who invokes".

When the Bible was translated out of Hebrew to Greek they replaced Elohim/YHWH (both were used) with Theos (Greek word for a god, e.g. Zeus, Poseidon, Ares), then Latin changed it to Deus, and subsequent translations kept the generic deity name.

Playing a 1500 year game of telephone with wonky mistranslations from scholars who never collaborated with each other doesn't exactly lend itself toward an accurate product. You could always learn ancient Hebrew and read the Tanakh as it was meant to be read, goyim.
Anonymous No.723961979 [Report]
>>723951363 (OP)
Loved this game enough to emulate it earlier this year, it absolutely holds up.
>>723951489
kek based
Anonymous No.723961981 [Report] >>723962351 >>723962423 >>723962429
>>723961196
>A person that fucked babies to death 24/7 but repents and accepts jesus goes to heaven
What's the alternative? Do anything wrong and you get no more chances ever, even if you completely changed as a person and totally regret everything you did? Bear in mind, "accepting Jesus" has to include being a good person too and "repenting" for your actions means trying to make up for them.

No potential for forgiveness would be pretty poor game design.
>gets tortured forever in hell
This view is not supported by most translations of the Bible that accurately translate the original Hebrew and Greek.
>>723959946
>why didn't the christians preserve any of the homeric epics?
Because Germanic barbarians were invading Christian Rome in waves and burning shit down, it was pretty hard to keep track of every scrap of decay-prone parchment.
>how did they forget how to make concrete?
They didn't. The Romans had access to specific volcanic ash which just naturally improved their concrete.
>why did medicine go backwards for a thousand years
Myth. It went back in some ways and advanced in others.
>>723960995
>If you'd been born in India you'd be a devout Hindi
Yeah there's a good chance. Or maybe I would be one of the many Indian converts to Christianity. Who knows?
>I believe this entirely because
That's a strawman. My ancestors are the reason I have the opportunity to believe that they may have been right, but I choose to believe in Christianity because it gives hope for something more after the 80-odd years most of us will get on this Earth.
Anonymous No.723961987 [Report]
>>723961747
>>723959853
Regarding morals being engraved on the heart, you'd have to be retarded to think genuine moral disagreement doesn't exist.
Your premises are all bad from the start. You don't understand the religion you espouse.
Anonymous No.723962196 [Report]
>>723958645
There's plenty of us who are skeptical of both, ye zuttbroken third worlder
Anonymous No.723962203 [Report]
>>723960995
>If you'd been born in India you'd be a devout Hindi
but I wasn't
thank you God
Anonymous No.723962247 [Report] >>723962287
>>723951363 (OP)
>LOTR deity
>nice
Ha!
Anonymous No.723962287 [Report] >>723962542
>>723962247
>t. golum
Anonymous No.723962351 [Report] >>723962886 >>723962914 >>723962956 >>723964381
>>723961861
>Agnostics vs Atheists
Quick vocab lesson:
A- means without
Gnostic means knowledge
Theist means belief in God.

There are Agnostic Atheists and Gnostic Atheists. The former makes no concrete claim but lacks belief, the latter makes a concrete claim. An Agnostic Atheist does not necessarily believe in anything supernatural.
A gnostic atheist is wrong, but not because they disbelieve or their view is "limiting," but because god's existence is by definition unfalsifiable. Knowledge of god's existence or non-existence can't exist.
You're just being a fag that wants ghosts to exist or some equally stupid shit.
>>723961981
>What's the alternative?
Completely irrelevant to the point. Your entire argument was predicated on the idea that following the commandments is the test and gets you to heaven. That is explicitly incorrect.
Anonymous No.723962413 [Report]
>>723951363 (OP)
Holy moly, OP, BASED!!!!
Anonymous No.723962423 [Report] >>723964381
>>723961981
>use your telepathy to "accept" a ghost you never met that you can't see nor hear or else PAIN FOREVER, FUCK YOU
>What's the alternative?
Telling people who try to scare you with terroristic ghost threats to fuck off and to keep their creepy stories inside their own diseased brains where it belongs.

2/3 of planet Earth doesn't know or couldn't give a fuck about the magic rabbi. So your god of love and tolerance is, by default, hyper-fire-torturing at least 10 billion ghosts (much more if prehistoric hunter gatherers count) in a magic volcano. Is that a good person? Do you just accept his abuse out of fear? How do you rationalize that?
Anonymous No.723962426 [Report]
>>723956659
Sin is a concept of astronomy and astrology.
Anonymous No.723962429 [Report] >>723964381
>>723961981
>That's a strawman
No it isn't, I didn't mention any arguments you made or didn't make. Look up terms before using them.
>I change my answer, I believe Christianity because I fear death and it promises goodies
At least you're being more honest now, but that's pretty pathetic.
Anonymous No.723962542 [Report]
>>723962287
>allowed Melkor to cause chaos
>nice
suuure
Can't have heroes without villains, eh?
Anonymous No.723962568 [Report] >>723962606
Souls are real but have no mass so when you die your soul gets spun out into space by the movement of the earth
The earth leaves a trail of space ghosts
Anonymous No.723962606 [Report]
>>723962568
The Earth is weighing down our souls, ZEIG ZEON
Anonymous No.723962607 [Report] >>723962685 >>723962794 >>723963002 >>723963597
>>723961747
>So why isn't Judaism the corret?
Judaism says that there would be a Messiah. Christianity claims that it is the successor to Judaism and that Christ is the Messiah. For the most part, the beliefs are not mutually exclusive.
>what's the point of writing it down with if everybody already knows them innately?
You could say the same about the rules page on 4chan. Everyone has a general idea of the right way to behave on an imageboard, but we still have rules for reference.
>But then you have a stories about God punishing a man because he refused to impregnate his dead brother's wife
When the creator of the whole universe speaks directly to you telling you to have sex and give a widow the kids she wants, isn't it pretty fucking dumb to say no?
>or God punishing the world for daring to build the tower of babel
Their intention was to rebel against God.
>and even gives greater context about the roman view towards christians and jews
Anon you're drifting.
The original argument was whether Jesus was a martyr or a political scapegoat. Tacitus offers no detail on whether Jesus was a political scapegoat.
>tests whether you believe in God
See Revelations.
>God did not say "You will die" only that it was "forbidden"
And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
So yeah, pretty direct instruction.
>their inability to reasonably judge the snake and what was told to them
I disagree that they lacked capability for judgement. I think that's a distinct thing from "knowledge of good and evil". As in, they would not have firsthand experience of evil, because they had not done anything evil before or had anything evil done to them.
But they should still be able to listen to their creator telling them not to eat the thing that will kill them.
Anonymous No.723962632 [Report]
>>723959260
Do you even know what civilization means, you historically selective hypocrite?
Anonymous No.723962672 [Report]
I had this game, odd.
Anonymous No.723962685 [Report]
>>723962607
>isn't it pretty fucking dumb to say no?
No, because the actual Creator wouldn't need to, and because one can say no.
Anonymous No.723962794 [Report]
>>723962607
>But they should still be able to listen to their creator telling them not to eat the thing that will kill them.
>telling uncomprehending to comprehend
Brainlet take, the Apple would never be there if it wasn't meant to be eaten. It's a trap.
Anonymous No.723962886 [Report]
>>723962351
What is it called when you know gods are the fantasies of superstitious retards that value ancient mysticism and muh feelings over reason and intellect?
Anonymous No.723962914 [Report] >>723963178
>>723962351
>Knowledge of god's existence or non-existence can't exist.
0/10
Anonymous No.723962956 [Report] >>723963178 >>723963265
>>723962351
>There are Agnostic Atheists and Gnostic Atheists
Yeah and those are shortened to Agnostics and Atheists in any non-academic discussion, mainly because of the cultural implications of atheism as a movement in the internet age. Most """Agnostic Atheists""" wouldn't identify with the label of atheist, as they don't care to adopt that cultural perception or identity. You just expanded the language without changing anything regarding the meaning. "Agnostic Theist" and "Gnostic Theist" are both just collapsed into theist as well, and rightfully so. You admitting atheists are wrong compared to agnostics agrees with my point but you call me a fag anyways because you want to sit on a throne of semantics.
Anonymous No.723963002 [Report]
>>723962607
>Why write the rules down if they're engraved on the heart
>The same reason 4chan has a rules page
Nigger
Forgetting that the premise is obviously bullshit because people can't agree on the moral status of things like assisted suicide, the rules of 4chan are not said to be engraved on the heart.
Terrible response 0/10 try much harder.
>A widow
Read your holy book please, she is not a widow.
Anonymous No.723963178 [Report] >>723963265 >>723963440 >>723963739
>>723962914
Do tell me how God's existence is falsifiable

>>723962956
>Yeah and...
No. Wrong.
YOU call atheists agnostics because it helps you mentally shunt away the concept of atheism as unreasonable.
I am an agnostic atheist. I haven't expanded or changed a goddamned thing - you haven't been exposed to real argumentation in this field.
You're a retarded faggot.
Anonymous No.723963256 [Report] >>723963390
>>723961863
That's not answering the question anon.
My question was "is this an unreasonable test of morals", and your response is "it's the kind of moral test humans would come up with themselves".
>>723961902
>First: that's simply wrong and your understanding of what it takes to reach heaven in the bible is poor
Matthew 19:
And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”
>demanding sole worship is pretty unreasonable
If you are working under the assumption God is real for the purposes of this argument about whether it's fair, then we are assuming God is the sole creator of the universe.
In that case, why would it be unfair for the creator of the universe to be recognised as so by His creations?
>>Imagine you have a child
We're not children though, we're adults, and the moral tests posed to us are ones that human adults should be fully capable of understanding and choosing correctly.
>>723961908
>Fuck, it wasn't even a word in the English language until like the 6th century, it comes either from the Germanic "gott" or the Norse "gud"
The point once again goes right over your head.
I said "names for things change all the time".
Your response: BUT THE NAME CHANGED!
>Playing a 1500 year game of telephone with wonky mistranslations from scholars who never collaborated with each other doesn't exactly lend itself toward an accurate product
Fully agree. But the most important moral principles put forward in the Bible and Hebrew texts are still pretty clear through all variants and potential mistranslations.
If we had a Bible that was perfectly preserved for thousands of years it would be suspiciously accurate, people would believe in God solely because they had a constant evidence of a miracle before them. There would be much less meaning to free will.
Anonymous No.723963265 [Report]
>>723962956
>>723963178
>You're not using the language right!
>Says the asshole conflating all atheism with teenage internet rationalism
Anonymous No.723963390 [Report] >>723964501
>>723963256
>If we first assume god is real and all good and all powerful
Why the fuck would we do that? Are you stupid?
>Matthews says good works go to heaven!
Ephesians 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast

This is a central tenet of Christianity. Being good does not get you into heaven. Only belief in Jesus does that.
You do not understand your own religion.
Anonymous No.723963440 [Report] >>723963635
>>723963178
My brother I am acknowledging the difference between the two, I am most certainly not calling all atheists agnostics. I am calling "agnostic atheists" agnostics because if you called yourself an agnostic atheist to anyone other than your discord/lesswrong buttbuddies they would be confused. New Atheism has forever established the term atheism as being linked with gnostic atheism and fedora tipping, and usually agnostics either don't want to be associated with that or would be offended being called an atheist as opposed to "I just don't care" but I suppose you're too retarded to understand that.
Anonymous No.723963480 [Report]
>>723958642
I checked again and it's not mentioned in the index, then went through all kings and found the one. What a shitty book.
Yeah I'm not cheating by using the internet, I have this thin toilet paper "holy" tome right there in my hands. Printed in Germany in 95.
Anonymous No.723963576 [Report]
>>723958516
>some people are just gods piss jugs
would be based if I wasn't one of them
Anonymous No.723963597 [Report] >>723964105
>>723962607
>Judaism says that there would be a Messiah
The Jewish Messiah is definitvely not Jesus.
>You could say the same about the rules page on 4chan.
The rules of 4chan exist for 4chan, they do not apply to anywhere else, No other imageboard or internet forum has rules against Pony posting or Avatarfagging nor is this something you'd expect a normal newfag to inherently know
>When the creator of the whole universe speaks directly to you telling you to have sex and give a widow the kids she wants, isn't it pretty fucking dumb to say no?
Then its not a moral test, or even a test period its literally just about somebody displeasing God and being punished for it.
>Their intention was to rebel against God.
See? It's not a moral punishment there is no test other than obeying God.
>The original argument was whether Jesus was a martyr or a political scapegoat.
Multiple Accounts literally state he was put to death and by whom and give greater reasonings as to why. Tactitus' account tells you about how the Roman's viewed christians very bluntly
>pretty direct instruction.
Read the Jewish text and I concede
>I disagree that they lacked capability for judgement
They did, they literally only gained the capacity and ability to properly judge after eating the fruit. The implication being that modern sensibilities such as nudity and morality came from the two of them eating the fruit. And then to cap it all off the Snake ended up being correct, Adam and Eve were punished only because they went against God.
Anonymous No.723963635 [Report] >>723964047
>>723963440
>I am acknowledging the difference
And then going a hundred miles too far by saying agnostic atheists identify as agnostics. You're just wrong, not just semantically but socially. You think the agnostic part involves some corner of belief or some new age baggage when really it's a technicality.
>Yes, I do and will conflate all atheism with teenage internet rationalism
Cool, you don't live in reality.
Anonymous No.723963739 [Report] >>723963827
>>723963178
>Do tell me how God's existence is falsifiable
It felt like making it so, making your ages long discussion about it existing possible.
Some people are antithetical to all religion and vice versa, because your faith is a sin.
It is so for the same reasons that theism and atheism has always coexisted without contradiction - third wheels don't belong by good.
Anonymous No.723963827 [Report] >>723963920
>>723963739
Cool word salad
Try again, schizo
Anonymous No.723963920 [Report] >>723964090
>>723963827
Try reading. Third wheels don't belong, a deity won't be where it has no place, because it never intended and won't. Self-falsification.
Anonymous No.723964047 [Report] >>723964189 >>723964289
>>723963635
>You think the agnostic part involves some corner of belief or some new age baggage
Never have I once implied that, you're projecting really hard here man. Agnostics are "without knowledge," right? So why would someone who earnestly believes in ghosts or something New Age-y like the law of attraction be agnostic? They immediately fall under the blanket of ""spiritual"" and most of them will identify as such. You're such a fucking hardass about being one of the "true agnostics" that you don't even see that I'm agreeing with you and have been the whole time. Stupid faggot.
Anonymous No.723964079 [Report]
All this metaphysical shitflinging is pointless due to your deficits compared to ancestors of your faith.

Moses parted the seas, Jesus could walk on water, Samson collapsed an entire temple with brute strength. Until one of you can replicate those feats you're about on par with /x/ schizos, crystal healing arthoes, and whoever the fuck keeps funding research into string theory.
Anonymous No.723964090 [Report] >>723964905
>>723963920
Anon words have meanings by consensus.
You don't get to just rearrange definitions on the fly.
Try again, this time after looking up the word "falsifiable."

Let's see if you can pull out of this tailspin.
Anonymous No.723964105 [Report] >>723964775
>>723963597
>The Jewish Messiah is definitvely not Jesus.
shalom
Anonymous No.723964163 [Report] >>723964416
>>723955682
True, I don't like thinking about that shit but it dosent mean the lord is not loving
Anonymous No.723964189 [Report] >>723964517
>>723964047
>I'm agreeing with you!
You aren't, and that you think you are tells me you're not even processing my posts.
When you grow up a little and talk to people outside your Internet circle you'll understand why you were being ridiculous
Anonymous No.723964207 [Report]
This thread reads like lore discussion about a game whose developer definitely didn't give a fuck about lore consistency
Anonymous No.723964289 [Report] >>723964517
>>723964047
>Anyone that doesn't claim to know for sure if god exists is an agnostic not an atheist
>BUT NOT IF THEY BELIEVE IN GHOSTS
you are very confused.
Anonymous No.723964337 [Report]
>>723954832
Calvinists believe this unironically.
Anonymous No.723964381 [Report] >>723964478
>>723962351
>Your entire argument was predicated on the idea that following the commandments is the test and gets you to heaven. That is explicitly incorrect

Matthew 6:14
For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Matthew 5
Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


So where's the problem with this? Can you elaborate? If you were God, would you make it so that people could never be forgiven and only got 1 chance in life?

>>723962423
>or else PAIN FOREVER, FUCK YOU
It's been said multiple times in the thread that PAIN FOREVER is a mistranslation which is not borne out by the original Greek and Hebrew versions of the Bible, and most modern translations either.
If people choose to reject God, Heaven and eternal life, then they get "the second death", as in permanent destruction. Eternal punishment refers to being dead eternally, not being eternally in pain.
>2/3 of planet Earth doesn't know or couldn't give a fuck about the magic rabbi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_world Nearly every country on Earth has a major presence of Christianity. Nearly nobody has never heard of Jesus, maybe the Sentinelese I guess.
And as said previously, being a good person is the #1 thing for avoiding the "second death".
>>723962429
>No it isn't, I didn't mention any arguments you made or didn't make
You put words in a quote I never made: "entirely because my parents did". That's a strawman.
>I change my answer
No answers have been changed. The original wording was "but I think it's worth believing that it is true."

Anyway anons, got to go do life stuff now, it's been fun.
Anonymous No.723964416 [Report]
>>723964163
Do you love ants? There's your answer.
Anonymous No.723964478 [Report]
>>723964381
>Can you elaborate
I literally posted ephisians
If you're not going to bother reading my posts I'm not going to put in effort, I'm just going to call you a poser and a retard that doesn't understand his own religion.
Anonymous No.723964501 [Report] >>723964735
Looks like I had another reply open in this window, so I'll finish this and leave the discussion at that.
>>723963390
>If we first assume god is real and all good and all powerful
>Why the fuck would we do that? Are you stupid?
Strawman again.
What I actually said was "If you are working under the assumption God is real for the purposes of this argument about whether it's fair, then we are assuming God is the sole creator of the universe."

You are choosing to engage in a discussion where you claim that God, as portrayed by Christianity, is unfair - regardless of whether any of us believe He exists. Correct?

In that case, **as portrayed by Christianity,** God is the sole creator of the universe; therefore, **as portrayed by Christianity**, it's reasonable to expect that he is worshipped as the sole creator of the universe.

Is that a reasonable statement?
Anonymous No.723964517 [Report] >>723964857
>>723964189
I refuse to believe yyou're doing anything other than trolling at this point, in which case, you got me. I hope you enjoyed the little back and forth. If you are somehow truly serious, I really hope that your firm stance on agnostic atheism is something you can integrate into being a functional adult once you leave high school.

>>723964289
Belief in ghosts is belief in the supernatural. Belief in the supernatural is a claim to some kind of knowledge of the immaterial, even if unsubstantiated. That automatically disqualifies you from agnosticism. It's really not hard to grasp and that's the last I'll speak of the matter.
Anonymous No.723964735 [Report]
>>723964501
No, anon, when part of the argument is the validity of expecting people to believe in the commandments to follow them then you can't just assume the conclusion. That's pretty basic shit.
Your characterization of the argument is incorrect.
Not that you were reading our posts anyways
Thought you said you had life stuff to do? Didn't pan out?
Anonymous No.723964775 [Report] >>723966282
>>723964105
What if the jews and Christians are just as wrong about their beliefs as the Buddhists or classical Pagans are about theirs?
What if you were indoctinated into the wrong faith? Legitimately how would you know?
Anonymous No.723964857 [Report] >>723965383
>>723964517
>Belief in ghosts is belief in the supernatural. Belief in the supernatural is a claim to some kind of knowledge of the immaterial, even if unsubstantiated. That automatically disqualifies you from agnosticism. It's really not hard to grasp and that's the last I'll speak of the matter.
Belief is not a claim of knowledge.
You are acting retarded.
Stop that.
Anonymous No.723964905 [Report] >>723965006 >>723965135
>>723964090
Consensus of any kind is irrelevant, much like are any agreements between any people have no bearing on disagreements of others.
Words have meaning by abstract linguistical design, which is in places engineered by capable mortals (and not at all a consensus that grew over) or by esoteric items.
One can rearrange any words in any way correctly compliant to their meaning and beyond, because that's the whole point of linguistical complexity, a point you've missed.

And by this same mistake you won't grasp how deity can be self-falsifying, because you understand some simple logic, and not any other.

It is self-falsifying because its nature, ungraspable explicitly to you, has already self-excluded on levels so fundamental, it has never existed.
There is no place for actors that do not belong. There is no overarching existence that subordinates anything. It has removed itself, it never was, this absence is an ethical auto-disproof by design.
Assumptions of mortals that an X can only be, or only not be have place only where they do.
Anonymous No.723965006 [Report] >>723965389
>>723964905
>Consensus (on the meaning of words in a language) is irrelevant
Neat!

Chair coughing split as twelve knocker incendiary hygiene god explode ursa bagingo!
Anonymous No.723965135 [Report]
>>723964905
Haha oh wow
I was joking about the schizo remark
Hi guy
Take your meds, you're even less coherent than usual.
Anonymous No.723965153 [Report] >>723965319 >>723965570
>>723954832
Consciousness is awareness of one's own desires
Free will is the ability to reflect on and reject desires
Free will has nothing to do with predestination
Anonymous No.723965319 [Report]
>>723965153
>Free Will totally exists if I redefine it to be something else entirely
Neat
Anonymous No.723965383 [Report] >>723965532
>>723964857
Belief is acknowledgement or confidence in the truth or existence of something. When it comes to the immaterial which is not "truly knowable" through falsification, belief is the only way "knowledge" (gnosis, understanding) that can be expressed. Again with the semantics, give it up.
Anonymous No.723965389 [Report] >>723965591
>>723965006
Words have meanings because a language is a self-contained, self-referential system.
It is not self-contained because a consensus makes it so.
A consensus comes about because a self-referential system, existing in space and time of its aging evolution from primitively emotional to complexly emotional, until abstractions become removed from initial aesthetics to the language's eventual detriment and devolution, - such as people like you, and most others incapable of creating new words and concepts, - insists on itself.
Anonymous No.723965532 [Report] >>723966053
>>723965383
Anon are we really doing this
You're really doubling down on "belief is knowledge?" After my very first post explained the difference between a gnostic and agnostic (thing)?

You're just a stubborn dipshit, anon. Pull your head out of your ass.
Anonymous No.723965547 [Report]
>>723951489
fpbp
OP eternally Megidolaon'd
Anonymous No.723965570 [Report]
>>723965153
>Free will has nothing to do with predestination
He'll reject such an intricacy. Otherwise he'll have to consider that some destinies are chosen.
Anonymous No.723965591 [Report] >>723965741
>>723965389
Anonymous No.723965741 [Report] >>723966021
>>723965591
If you can only put square pegs in square holes, why do you bother with any sort of discussion about Christian mythos?
Anonymous No.723966021 [Report] >>723966928
>>723965741
Anon I mean this with every ounce of love and compassion in my heart
Yours is not the Christian mythos. Assuming you are manlyburger, and I don't know anyone else with this kind of obviously scattered thoughts when writing, yours is a homebrewed religion of sacred geometry and mental time travel with only vague and superficial connections to Christianity. It is utterly incoherent to anyone that isn't you.

Because you have a mental disorder that causes disorganized thoughts and delusions that you need to treat.
Anonymous No.723966053 [Report] >>723966329
>>723965532
I think you're autistically obsessed with a rigid epistemological definition of knowledge and need to stop being so out of touch. I have ceded that belief is not an epistemological knowledge and yet you continue to engage with me as if I have claimed so. Holy shit dude.
Anonymous No.723966282 [Report] >>723972750
>>723964775
Why would Jesus die on the cross for our sins if he was not the son of god?
Anonymous No.723966329 [Report] >>723966552
>>723966053
>I have ceded that belief is not an epistemological knowledge
Anon you literally just posted and doubled down on "all belief in ghosts is gnostic."
That's the opposite of what you say you "ceded."
You are very confused.
>Y-you're obsessed with a rigid definition of knowledge!
It's the definition that applies to gnostic/agnostic belief you fuck.
t. Actually read and argued epistemology and moral philosophy
Anonymous No.723966552 [Report] >>723967226
>>723966329
>"all belief in ghosts is gnostic."
>t. Actually read and argued epistemology and moral philosophy
Well then you must have been really bad at it because you fabricated that "quote" to present a misinterpretation and I refuse to accept you're engaging in anything other than bad faith.
Anonymous No.723966928 [Report] >>723967226
>>723966021
That's the joke here, the point is easy to grasp. You simply suck at tackling actual concepts behind your own myths, or comprehending concepts behind words they represent, for that matter.

I'm not Christian. And Christianity, much like any other faith on Earth or anywhere else is NOT fundamental. Only a minor few takes are fundamental.
You just happen to exist, as does your chosen flavor of meaning and escapism.

I'll put it so that even you can, hypothetically, understand - your attempts at judging any X as falsifiable or non-falsifiable are useless at the core because you do not understand it at all, like a painting that tries to predict the next brush from an artist it cannot see.
It's great that you are so assured in your meagre rationality (actually irrationality), but the brush moves when it feels like, and only where it must. In other cases, the brush doesn't exist by its own will.
Anonymous No.723967226 [Report] >>723968673
>>723966552
>I didn't say that so you're bad at philosophy!
You did and I'm not

>>723966928
Meds.
Anonymous No.723967316 [Report]
>>723958516
Praise King Jesus! Forever and ever!
Anonymous No.723968673 [Report] >>723969608
>>723967226
>You did
Let me actually quote.
>When it comes to the immaterial which is not "truly knowable" through falsification, belief is the only way "knowledge" (gnosis, understanding) can be expressed
I am outright stating here that belief is not knowledge, in any true sense of the word. The immaterial is truly philosophically unknowable because it is unfalsifiable. Belief is the closest we come to expressing knowledge without actually having "true knowledge," as in the kind of knowledge you're autistically focused on in a propositional sense. Schizos claim to have "knowledge" that the CIA is constantly surveilling them, and to them, that is their very true lived reality and nobody can convince them otherwise. People that believe in ghosts found their belief on 'a' knowledge, whether founded in anecdotal experience or a strong intuition or some other thing that makes them "feel sure" in their belief. It's why Christians say "I know God is up there protecting me." Are you going to say 'nuh-uhhh, you can't use the word know in place of belief because I say so'? You probably would.

In the absence of the possibility of propositional knowledge when it comes to the immaterial, one must then understand agnosticism as a position in relation to belief or faith. And expressing belief or faith in anything immaterial is thus placing one outside of the impartiality of agnosticism and entering the camp of the spiritual, theist, or supersitious.

This is why I sincerely hope that your position of Agnostic Atheism is something you can integrate into a healthy adult life, because it forgoes any application outside of discussion of philosophical theory. That doesn't correlate with a practical framework for navigating the human experience.
Anonymous No.723969369 [Report]
>>723951489
lmao
Anonymous No.723969608 [Report] >>723971059
>>723968673
>The immaterial is truly philosophically unknowable because it is unfalsifiable
Those that believe in ghosts would say they're not immaterial or unfalsifiable.
>Belief is the closest we have to expressing knowledge
This is babble. Belief and knowledge are two discrete things. If someone agrees that something is unfalsifiable then they have an agnostic belief by definition.
You're conflating definitions and usages, you can't do that.
>In the absence of the possibility of propositional knowledge when it comes to the immaterial, one must then understand agnosticism as a position in relation to belief or faith.
Again: this is nonsense. If one accepts that knowledge regarding a belief is impossible that belief is agnostic. Full stop.

As for your last bit about integration I have to assume you're projecting some need for an outside code to drive your actions onto me. My disbelief in any gods has no bearing on my behavior beyond not feeling required by an outside force to obey written commandments. I tend to not believe that humans are truly capable of an objective and completely coherent morality, that it's a feeling not a rational thought, but would be best described as a humanist.
Anonymous No.723971059 [Report] >>723972590
>>723969608
This is where we'll come to an impasse because I'm of the belief that peoples' faith, belief, or knowledge claims directly inform their practical lived framework, and maintaining cognitive dissonance for the sake of philosophical wankery is not only highly autistic behavior but rejecting the inescapable relationship between lived religion with its philosophical or theological underpinnings.
Anonymous No.723971434 [Report] >>723971916
What's God's mysterious plan for Harlequin babies?
Anonymous No.723971916 [Report] >>723972057
>>723971434
Atleast those can survive with intense care, no such luck with anencephalics
Anonymous No.723972057 [Report]
>>723971916
>with intense care
cringe hecking sciencerino and medicerino instead of based thouths and prayers?
Anonymous No.723972590 [Report]
>>723971059
All that to poorly say "your beliefs are part of you?"
Do better.
Anonymous No.723972625 [Report]
>>723951363 (OP)
You got Narnia and LotR mixed up, OP. They were friends, but they had very different approaches to how they write their fiction.
Anonymous No.723972684 [Report] >>723972771
>>723954832
No.
He has a good plan for all of us, but with our free will we can deviate from said plan by sinning.
Anonymous No.723972750 [Report]
>>723966282
There's no proof that ever happened historically, the only records we have about Jesus come from over 60 years after he would have supposedly died. So when you read the Bible, remember that it's all taken from thease texts.
But there is such a crucial issue.
We have no evidence from Jesus' life, if he even existed, no real cross in a museum, or records of his life from Roman times.
There is litterally no proof this guy even existed, like Achilles, or King Arthur.
Anonymous No.723972771 [Report]
>>723972684
>God has a plan but we can somehow interfere with this plan by just existing
Anonymous No.723974696 [Report]
>>723951363 (OP)
Played this earlier this month.
Anonymous No.723975218 [Report]
>>723951363 (OP)
The Longing.
Anonymous No.723975713 [Report]
>>723954832
Eternal torment is solely on your hands