Thread 723969590

which is the best RTS ever made?

Kohan II: Kings of War

>>723969590 (OP)
SupCom:FA

Me, I am the best RTS

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Dune II

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probably primitive wars

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aoe2

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Age of Empires 3 > Age of Empires 2

>>723969590 (OP)
Dawn of War 1

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Star wars galactic battlegrounds

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Brood War duh, not even close. Modern pc gaming started here.

>>723969590 (OP)
>Last SC2 Expansion/DLC
Like 10 years ago.
>Last Warcaft 3 Expansion/DLC
The dogshit remaster everyone hates.
>The last AoE2 Expansion/DLC
This week.

It seems like the undisputed champion is AoE2, as its development is still continuing. The multiplayer scene is also thriving with multiple RED BVLL and other tournaments.

Single player: Starcraft 1/BW
Multiplayer: AOE2

>>723970459
>settlers and anno not rts
well that is the core conflict it's a very limited genre

I'd say homeworld is my favorite then, very beautiful game too bad it's dead lately.

>>723970459
I don't understand the red star thing, does that mean that it should only played with mods or tho check the mods?

>Mogs you're path
"But it's toxic"
Git gud

>>723970459
Battlezone 2 as Dark Reign 2 isnt in that pic.
And BZ2 is better than BZ1

>>723970459
The bullying against Planetary Annihilation is ridiculous.

>>723971896
it has nothing to do with which is better. AOE 2 campaign sucks ass in comparison with w3 and sc2/sc

>>723969590 (OP)
coh

>>723971896
This. If they were going to include SC then it should have been the first. Nobody like SC2.

>>723969590 (OP)
those aren't Red Alert 2

>>723978894
>Nobody like SC2.

except more ppl than sc1

Has there ever been a more soulful credits roll?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyteXAa8zYo

>>723977589
>BRAP
Yeah I can see why people think it's toxic

>>723977589
Supremely mid because Supreme Commander exists.

>>723982498
>SupCom "players"

>>723969590 (OP)
brood war

>>723977589
BAR is so good, it might be on the top 3 RTS i've ever played
What I find hilarious is that makes people seethe so much because it's just so good and so accessible on many levels the only thing that can make people not enjoy it is not bein gud or being contrarians

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AoE2 and it's not close
for me, randomly generated maps are a requirement

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AOEII, no debate

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Wacraft 3 was so incredible. Its hard to believe nowadays that games like that were made at some point. It was everything, it was video games themselves.

AOE II

>>723982498
I very recently played through the original supcom campaign and the forged alliance campaign and god damn the gameplay felt like shit after playing BAR

>>723969590 (OP)
Homeworld

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Did AOE2 fix thier shitty op chink unit yet?

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Between those 3? Age of Empires 2 by a lot
Also AoE4 is really good

Total Annihilation

My father only plays AoE2. He usually plays campaigns and uses cheats he found on the internet

>>723984632
There was also some sort of argentinan politician that streamed himself playing AoE 2 DE but I don't remember who

>>723969590 (OP)
Warcraft 3's custom maps are the best RTSes ever made, and it's not even close. The actual base game is just okay.

>>723969968
This

>>723988301
>the actual base game is just okay
You should blow yourself up with a propane canister and asphyxiate on blood and ash of your burnt oesophagus for ten to fifteen hours before dying alone

>>723983928
It definitely has the best controls of any RTS game, and it runs on mostly everything until you play those 45 minutes long 8v8 matches where there's 20,000 units on the screen.

>>723988301
>Warcraft 3's custom maps are the best RTSes ever made
This

>>723969968
only correct answer, Blizzard drones don't need to apply

>>723983864
brood war is literally the blueprint. still unmatched in tight macro, micro skill ceiling, and actual tactical depth. no gimmicks, just pure mechanical brutality. every win feels earned, every loss teaches you something. anyone who’s touched iCCup knows the grind. RTS perfection.

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Starcraft 2 is shit and Blizzard shat all over WC3 with their "reforged".
AoE does nothing and wins.

>>723970459
this chart is garbage and I'm obligated to complain about it every time it's reposted. the arrangement is completely nonsensical and the connections between games are schizo and arbitrary.

>>724000394
>The chart contrarian schizo posts again
>Accuses others of being schizo
>The chart is logical and simple to understand to anyone else but him

>>723982498
>console rts

>>723970459
shit list, as are all \v\ lists

>>723969590 (OP)
i woulda said starcraft 1 but in hindsight i hate blizzard now so fuck 'em, AoE2 baybyyyyy!!!

>>724001540
there's nothing logical about it. the arrangement of games is basically completely arbitrary with no organization based on gameplay or even theme. just the fact that it recommends warcraft 1 instead of warcraft 2 should tell you immediately how retarded it is. I seriously doubt the retard who made the chart even played half of the games on it.

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>>724001540
This chart is dogshit and it always has been
It says nothing about the games, it's just complete dogshit

>>724001540
Not him, but I also find the chart confusing as seen here >>723976063

>>723969590 (OP)
For competitiveness and balance? Starcraft
Funwise? AoE2
Fuck WC3. Never liked that piece of shit

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starcraft 1 beats all three of these but between the three probably aoe2

>>724003039
>>724002030
>>724002130
>When confronted, the schizo replies posing as other people
>This comes from the fact that he's an autistic retard schizo, and cannot read a basic chart

>>724006706
I bet you're the one who made it since everyone else can see it's useless

Age of Mythology

>>724001934
OWar, one of the hidden goats.

>>724005657
this

>>723969590 (OP)
BFME2
Mainstream RTS games and their sweaty playerbase literally killed the genre.

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WC3 but only for the custom games. RTS as a genre is dead because sweats make it unfun to play online. Much like fighting games and arena/extraction shooters. They can't keep a community alive so the genre ends up dying.

I keep trying to play RTS's ever since i was young but I just lack the executive function to manage my base, and an army, and upgrades without falling completely behind and getting my ass kicked before im even ready to deal with threats

I have found that HOMM3 seems to scratch some of the itch though i still need to figure out my priorities

>>723970459
>recommending SC2 under any circumstances
>calling RA2 surreal
>skipping AoE to go straight to AoE2

???

>>723970459
Where is the real GOD of RTS games aka LEGO Battles?

>>723969590 (OP)
AOE2 clears easy

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Blizzard has literally never made a good game, so AoE2.

>>723979198
Koreans aren't people.

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I like the hero gameplay of wc3 and think it is perfect. But I recognize aoe2 as the superior RTS game. It's hard to even classify wc3 as an RTS game at high level gameplay because you're basically just micro'ing 3 heroes the whole time

>>724015065
koreans went back to sc1

>>723984145
It is kind of ridiculous looking back at how good Warcraft 3 was. Maybe the best single player content of any RTS? And then on top of that one of the most extensive level editors that allowed for the most creative custom levels.

Feels like we might never see anything like it again.

>>723971896
AoE2 definitely deserves recognition for its longevity. It feels like that's do to how inexpensive making new factions for it is though, since they'll all mostly the same.

AoE2's original content is entirely competent and worth playing, but it doesn't seem to particularly excel at anything. I'd recommend the base game to anyone, but I think you can skip the DLC unless there's a faction you particularly want to play multiplayer with.

>>724014728
nah aoe 2 campaigns are mediocre

For single player campaign I like Starcraft 2 Wings of Liberty.

For online I like Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne custom maps.

>>724013192
It seems like if RTSes want to be financially successful these days they do need to appeal to a wider audience of players like you. Any thoughts on what an RTS could do to make it easier for you to manage?

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Age of mythology

>>724016237
AoE 2 campaing slander won't be tolerated in this thread, you have been warned

>>723971753
Literally the downfall of RTS into gookclicking

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I miss wc3 so fucking much

>>724017879
play azeroth reborn

>>724016217
>I'd recommend the base game to anyone, but I think you can skip the DLC unless there's a faction you particularly want to play multiplayer with.
I would semi-disagree. Dawn of the Dukes was easily the best single player content the game has ever received, with the Poles campaign in particular being the absolute pinnacle of design.
However, Dawn of the Dukes (along with Lords of the West and Dynasties of India) just come with the game for free now, so you don’t need to buy anything.
However, the second and third best single player content releases are the two Chronicles DLCs, which I would also recommend to anyone even if Alexander is filtering people rn.

>>724018291
>However, Dawn of the Dukes (along with Lords of the West and Dynasties of India) just come with the game for free now, so you don’t need to buy anything.

That's good to hear, and in that case there's no reason not to get them.

Maybe I need to check out the Poles campaign you mentioned, I played AoE2 a long time ago and don't remember if I had played through those campaigns or not.

>>724016217
>Feels like we might never see anything like it again.
We won't because now any company that makes a game like that claims the rights to all the user created content. This kills the custom game community, because anyone with enough talent to create a great custom game is better off just making a new game themselves.

>>723970583
Tell that to World's Edge lmao

>>724018506
>Maybe I need to check out the Poles campaign you mentioned
You definitely should, though the Lithuanian and Bohemian campaigns are also excellent. They also tell a sort of overarching narrative, so I’d recommend starting with Lithuania and then either going to the Poles (chronological order) or the Bohemians (difficulty order) afterwards.

>>724018616
Tell that to anyone. AoE3 is free and people still don’t play it. It gets the same amount of players as AoM and unlike AoM the player numbers never spiked after DLC releases.

>>724017798
gookclicking is a boogeyman bro
People hate it but it literally never left the Starcraft sphere, no rts dev has ever truly embraced it.
There are people who are annoyed that a game asks for any micro at all, that's a different story though.

>>724018878
Nah pretty sure both had spikes, but AoM only had a couple dlc so far. AoE3 has consistently surpassed Retold numbers since always despite being recently abandoned, i though it was weird WE would rather develop AoM until i checked again just now and realized Retold had a higher peak than AoE3 ever did, guess that's what they're going after.

>>724016217
>>724018554
>Feels like we might never see anything like it again.
>We won't because now any company that makes a game like that claims the rights to all the user created content.
That didn't stop the auto chess guys, they left dota the moment any scent of potential was there, but also too soon to realize it would never be that big.

I'd argue the problem is the cynical and distraction fueled age we live in, kids and teens nowadays can just move on to consume other things instead of spending the weeks or months needed to learn and make something, games were too few back then so making content was another way of engaging with the game and also solved the problem of not enough games, no one thought of making money from every single thing so i doubt that's the main thing stopping people nowadays. Although on that note, the ease of making games today does contribute to that point.

>>723969590 (OP)
the one with handcannoneers (which deserve a buff btw)

What is dune she him thinking?

Is this miss normal mythology behavior?

>>724018208
it's not the same without my bros also mostly talking about custom maps

>>724021292
just go turks

>>724022046
nah, i go bohemians.

>>723969590 (OP)
I like Brood War

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>SC2
Never fucking ever you zoomnigger

>>724019131
>gookclicking is a boogeyman bro
It's a bunch of retards coping, think of all the RTS that require 240 APM to be good at them, Broodwar and............................. Broodwar.

Can anyone beat him?

>>723969590 (OP)
Esports killed the genre. Sweatfests are not fun

>>724023543
A tourney is fun to watch, not play, and only if the meta is constantly evolving like Broodwar.

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Warcraft 3

Starcraft and Age fags may think constantly clicking "train worker" for an entire match makes it more difficult (it hardly does it's just distracting), but nobody could convince themselves it makes a match more fun.

>>723969590 (OP)
Sc2 shouldnt be on this list, because brood war mogs it

>>724024594
spittin facts

I don't give a fuck if it was kusoge, Wings of Liberty was the most fun I've had with an RTS ever

>>723969590 (OP)
>no Westwood

Fuck outta here.