Thread 724008749

Give me your Sonic Hot Takes

Sonic Adventure 1 was the perfect transition to 3D for Sonic. It got everything right. Story, Tone, Characters, Writing, Gameplay, Music, Graphics.

SA2 ruined all of that by introducing majority of fans to an edgier game with worse everything and Shadow.

Rogue has great tits and I would like to suck on and then fuck them.

They should have made a game where you run left instead

Sonic was never good

Shadow is the best character and I literally never play as Sonic if Shadow is available.

Sonic has yet to regain the soul it had in the 2000s, the only media that comes close to that is that Blade of Courage manga

>>724008749 (OP)
The Sonic Omens hate was forced

the sonic games aren't that great gameplay wise and the main reason they're so popular is because sonic has one of best character designs ever

SA1 was perfect
https://youtu.be/dWbSg0VOSgg

>MUH BIG FISHING SECTIONS
were fun and comfy and only took 30 minutes to beat his story
>MUH AMY SECTIONS
aren't great I'll give you that. What else you got?
>UHHHHH
that's what I thought

>>724008749 (OP)
You're right about SA1 but SA2 isn't worse because it's edgy (it isn't) but because the gameplay is just generally a downgrade

Unleashed was fun but the werehog stages and medal hunting drag it down immensely
Colors was fun
Lost World isn't bad just really dry
Frontiers has a good formula going for it but that won't matter for Frontiers 2 because Sonic Team is the king of jank and Kishimoto's design will never work well for it

Let the directors of Shadow Gens take over, they worked on Unleashed and Gens and know how to make great levels. Kingdom Valley clears every single level made in the past 15 years.

>>724008749 (OP)
Sonic Heroes was good, the controls weren't too slippery you just need to get good, the PS2 version is trash, Team Rose was the only issue because nobody likes Big or Amy, Knuckles deserves his own game because he controlled like Breath of the Wild first, Sonic Heroes 2 is the game that Sonic Team needs to make next, no Sonic game is worth $60 they should embrace their AA space in gaming with according prices, Shadow the hedgehog should have been a GTA clone, the werehog should have been Knuckles, they should make a Chao Garden phone app

>>724009309
I don't want chao garden mobile shit to be honest
It's great when it's a secondary feature in a game though. Like crossworlds could have had it.

>>724009309
Sonic Heroes WAS good and wildly overhated, but a Chao Garden app wouldn't work imo because the fun of the Chao Garden was going back and forth from the fun stages in SA2 to the Garden and I'm scared Modern Sega would destroy it with micro transactions and ads

Twinkle Cart
https://youtu.be/2G1z2Yji3HE
Rumbling Hwy
https://youtu.be/_F5BR0CuK6w
Tidal Tempest Present
https://youtu.be/U2Qr9Bv6Rpw
And Diamonds in the Sky
https://youtu.be/JYw8_hSwgX0

Are the four best tracks in the series

Anyway my hot take is Sonic will never be cool like he was in the 90s/2000s again. Especially with how ironic and subversive everything has to be today.

>>724008749 (OP)
Heroes was based for trying to merge Classic and Adventure Sonic into one ultimate SOUL hodgepodge. Then Shadow 05 ruined it by going full edge and trying to go the Jak 2 route/cashgrabbing the trend of mature games at the time.

>>724008749 (OP)
Sonic's speed should be tuned to the stage and not the other way around, any attempt at an open world Sonic game will always fall flat because of this.

>>724009017
>the only media that comes close to that is that Blade of Courage manga
I actually started reading the Manga again a few days ago and I really think the same, this Yuki Imada really understands Sonic

A lot of the characters are 1 offs that only serve the story they appear in. Shadow gets worse in literally every appearance. Blaze was pointless in her own sequel and a completely different character in 06. Knuckles... Rogue has never really had a purpose in any story besides gassing up other pointless side characters.
Im not even a "sonics stupid friends" person but those stupid friends just get worse every time they join the adventures. Most of them had a totally fine purpose and were memorable to the point of being a boon to the series in their debut game.

>>724008749 (OP)
Everything beyond the 16bit era is irredeemable dogshit and the only people who still care about it are severely autistic, have extra chromosomes or both.

>>724009124
>aren't great I'll give you that
So you admit the game is not perfect. What a worthless post and a worthless person.

>>724010298
Extra based for the triangle jump, that move was kino and after shadow 05 it never came back.

>>724011046
>after shadow 05 it never came back
The parkour in Lost World kind of replicates it but sadly that was a half-baked mechanic that they just dropped and never iterated on again. Thankfully Spark 3 has a based as fuck wall run/wall jump.

>>724010778
I said not great, doesn't mean they weren't good
They were good
And good is still perfect

All the Sonic side media are ass

Sonic is at his best with a focus on vertical rather than horizontal level design.

>>724011491
Nah
The Archie comics are fun
The two old cartoons were great
Sonic Boom is funny

Sonic Lost World is the worst thing to ever happen to Modern Sonic. The game itself was fine, what it did to current Sonic is not

Mania actually kind of sucks.

>>724011779
I agree

This is the best Sonic model, official or fanmade.

>>724011368
What is perfect if not more than great?
How can something be perfect but not great?

>>724013015
You find out someday child

Sonic needs to be more vulnerable

>>724008749 (OP)
Sonic was always good and has never released a bad game.
Yes even 06 was good.

>>724013334
and wide-eyed

>>724013334
I love the BWOOOOOMMMM sound when he revealed this shitty redesign

>>724009053
I just played it recently and had a lot of fun with it. I don't know the entire backstory on the hate but from what I've read it seems extremely fucking retarded.

>>724013334
What are those stupid stubs supposed to be, wings? Did whoever make this somehow forget Sonic's a hedgehog?

>>724013918
Those are his arms, he's holding onto the backpack as he runs
The problem is the idiot removed his gloves so you can't see it that well

Post reboot archie was fine

>>724008749 (OP)
Sonic Mania is super fucking overrated and mostly the same levels with slight alterations and also the new levels are boring as fuck

>>724014172
rude.

>>724014363
I'm sorry

>>724008749 (OP)
The first part is definitely not a hot take, and given the first statement the second one is not surprising.

>>724008749 (OP)
I hate the shitty fixation of the series of shoving minigames that have nothing to do with sonic or how he plays.
>Hmmm we need something to test the player's skill at sonic to see if he should get the true ending...
>Let's shove a bunch of minigames that have nothing to do with the gameplay!

>>724009306
>Frontiers has a good formula going for it but that won't matter for Frontiers 2 because Sonic Team is the king of jank and Kishimoto's design will never work well for it
All they need to do is just make frontiers 1 again but more and bigger while not developing the game with switch 1 as the target platform. Make the game for the actual consoles and PC first and then try to backport it to the meme tablets instead.

Sonic 1 was my first game ever and I prefer 3D Sonic.

>>724014752
>make a game where every boss is fought as super sonic
>STILL find a way for the final boss to be something completely different

>>724009053
The tornado level sucked so did the big tree

Every game should force you to play as Amy for an extended portion. Either she has a jumpball or not, you're not seeing the credits until you've seen her fat pink ass jump around for over an hour.

>>724009306
>Frontiers has a good formula going for it
Busywork in an empty open world filled with janky combat encounters?

>>724008749 (OP)
I kinda didn't like when Sonic crapped in the force field.

>>724015760
>force you to play as Amy for an extended portion
Sure, best gameplay and levels in SA1 after all

The boost is the best thing to have happend to the franchise.

>>724014938
I'll add to this and say 3D sonic is better than 2D sonic

Sonic Advance 1 and 2 are better than Sonic Mania. Also Sonic Mania is an overrated Sonic romhack that adds nothing new to the formula and it was only shilled by Western journos because it was made by Western developers and because of nostalgiafags that haven't played any Sonic game that wasn't made for Sega console

>>724008749 (OP)
Heroes was the first bad sonic game and boost gameplay is crap.

>>724009054
>sonic has one of best character designs ever
Only if you're an autistic pedo furfag

>>724010679
You say that like Mega Drive and Game Gear era didn't had shitty Sonic games like Sonic Pinball and Sonic Labyrinth. Also all Sonic games after Sonic 1 were pretty much rehash but with flashier graphics. Sonic CD was the only good Sonic game after Sonic 1 since it was developed 100% in Japan and it was a passion project while 2, 3 and Sonic and Knuckles were cash grabs for the American audience.

>>724008749 (OP)
Jaleel White was a good choice for the 90s cartoons
Robotnik sounds cooler and more menacing than eggman
When gliding became a thing in smash, Knuckles should've been an additional sonic character, and it's bullshit he got assist trophies and mii'd
Classic and modern Amy each have their own charms
Metal Sonic should get more screentime
Tails Adventure on the gamegear is underrated
And I like ahadow enough, but why the fuck is he such a big deal? Not rhetorical, can someone give me their take on the matter?

>>724008749 (OP)
Superstars boss fights are fun, actually

The mech stages in SA2 are good. Better than Gamma.

>>724014938
Same but Sonic Chaos for me

>>724017098
Now THAT'S a hot take
Straight up ruined the game for me

Sonic should be funny. "Shonen Sonic" is a joke, but not in the good way.

>>724009053
thats the one with the bad girl panties? yeah that was pure cringe seeing people lose their shit about a joke

>>724017046
>Robotnik sounds cooler and more menacing than eggman
Yet his American redesign at the games is anything but menacing. And it's crap. Also they turned him into a retard at the cartoon.

Sonic CD is better than Sonic 2.
Sonic and Knuckles is actually fun alone.
SA1 is better than SA2.
The classic and modern divide actually makes sense because a character like shadow and a character like fang are just fundamentally too different in tone to work.
The deadly six should headline another Sonic game.

>>724017297
Apparently the fanbase say otherwise, seeing how they glorify even shitty Sonic games just because they're edgy and shonen-like. Also Sonic was always meant by the producers to be "cool and relatable" to appeal to teenage boys.

>>724008749 (OP)
sonic mania has dogshit level design full of mean spirited pranks designed to fuck over first time players like those cat mario levels that are designed to piss you off

>>724017297
Sonic has never been funny outside of westernshit cartoons.

>>724017180
Very much this.
points being based on how many lockon targets you have is bullshit though

>>724017563
Finally, someone said it!

>>724017380
Admittedly, I had a typo or two, but can you repeat that so it grammatically makes sense?

>>724017551
>seeing how they glorify even shitty Sonic games just because they're edgy and shonen-like
Isn't it funny how the edgy and shonen games are always the worst ones?

>>724017590
The

>>724017590
What part of "a blue hedgehog fighting an egg-shaped manchild with a theme park obsession, named after a Beatles song, and based on Teddy Roosevelt" suggests it shouldn't be funny?

>>724017769
Because I’m not laughing at it, faggot.

>>724017597
Why is that bullshit? You’d just spam the laser if it wasn’t.

>>724017834
And you're the only person on Earth?

>>724017661
They don't care as long as they sell. Take Shadow the Hedgehog for example. Speaking for edgy, I still hate Rare for listening to stupid game journos that complained about the original Conker for being "too cutesy" and "just another platformer" and instead they made an "adult" game with edgy, immature humor that aged poorly. And it sold poorly even at Xbox.

>>724017924
Gotta go fast. Fuck that buildup.

>>724017972
Remember when Sega delisted Shadow, 06, and Unleashed to try and improve the franchise's image?

The Sonic 1/CD method of getting to the special stages (have 50 rings at the goal) is much better than having to find the giant rings in the levels.

>>724017297
After getting into Archie I agree
The first 20 issues are nothing but Looney tunes Sonic making dumb jokes and slapstick and I enjoyed it far more than anything that followed after

>>724013334
He looks so vulnerable and ready for adventure :3

>>724018205
I never got why people vehemently hated that method
It even encourages you to get better at the stages and try for a no hit run and you're rewarded for it. That's what mastering Sonic stages is all about
But no, people only want giant rings hidden in easy places

>>724017947
I’m the only person who’s opinion matters.

>>724018382
At least you're honest.

>>724017661
Are they
The Wii U/Boom era of games didn't seem very edgy and shounen to me, and even Forces was toeing the line of being ironic with shit like having Sanic the meme in the game and writing Sonic himself as an emotionless quip machine. He's "locked up and tortured for months" then the next time you see him he's just "hey Zavok you look smelly". Contrasts heavily to something like how he gets locked up in SA2 and he's pacing and irritated.
More of a problem of Sonic games tending to be shit in general

>>724018467
Forces was serious as a heart attack, Anon.

>>724018239
nta, but #25, super sonic v hyper knuckles, and mecha sonic v mecha knuckles were the shit
That said, I did kinda appreciate the leisurely pace of the EARLY ones in their own way as well

Shadow the Hedgehog would be the best 'speed' based game in the franchise if it wasn't for chaos control.
He has infinite upward momentum that actually gets reset by speed pads, meaning you can top out at some insane speeds.
But it doesn't matter since chaos control is busted and an auto pilot.

>>724018553
The hell it was. Pontac was constantly adding stupid jokes to Forces’s script. Knuckles coming up with his dumbshit plan in five seconds was not in the Japanese script.

>>724016313
sonic mania was shilled because sonic team is run by pants-shitting retards who'd rather do anything than make sure the basic platforming works in their platformer games

>>724008749 (OP)
SA2 fucking gameplay nightmare, boring and frustrating ass shit. But i like new character's tho.

>>724017046
I don't think those are hot takes, they're just correct

>>724018560
You're right, I forgot how cool the Knuckles vs Sonic issues were

>>724011368
>It's perfect if you render the definition of "perfect" into something completely meaningless
And this is why no one respects Adventurefags.

>>724008749 (OP)
SA1 minus Big and fishing made a mini game for all the characters to get emblems or rare animals for Chao would have been perfect.
Also Super forms for everyone.
Also unlockable alt character skins for everyone, Sonic got Metal Sonic, Gamma should have got Mecha Sonic, Knuckles Mighty, Tails Ray, Amy Honey.

>>724019158
Whatever

>>724019091
For as out there as fandom requests get, and the current state of the IP, I figured I was an outlier, thanks Anon
>>724019101
They really were so cool as a kid, and I'd argue still hold up, part of the reason why I think Knuckles should be the next sonic character in smash, assuming another one gets made and assuming another sonic character ever gets added

>>724008749 (OP)
Sonic lost world is 3d perfected, having a button to run actually makes sense.

>>724017046
>why the fuck is he such a big deal? Not rhetorical, can someone give me their take on the matter?
Cooler and in depth character. Who cares about some glorified blue drifter?

>>724017046
>Why is he such a big deal
Simple. He's a Vegeta.
Vegeta-characters are always popular with teens and girls and boost the popularity of said media. Every time.
Want more sales? Add a Vegeta to your series. It has literally never failed

the 1st and 2nd game suck ass
the wii games are pretty cool
the best sonic games are on newgrounds

>>724008749 (OP)
3D sonic died with Heroes. No chao garden no soul.

>>724019672
I hated the gameplay of ShTH, but I do agree I like the character depth better, now that you put it that way
>>724019775
Yeah, "vegeta" characters are pretty endearing. I like vegeta way more than goku, although ultimately I think gohan was robbedpost cell saga
>>724019845
I loved the subtle depiction of lore, I hate how blatant and lack of subtleness modern games provide

>>724017046
>And I like ahadow enough, but why the fuck is he such a big deal? Not rhetorical, can someone give me their take on the matter?
"Dark rival of the main character" will always be one of the most popular character archetypes ever because a) they mirror the main character, who we're already supposed to like by virtue of them being the main character, and b) they're darker and edgier and therefore cooler. Story-wise, they're the perfect foils for protagonists to come into conflict with because they'll perfectly test the protagonist's abilities and own characterization, which is exactly what happened in Adventure 2. Vegeta is an easy comparison, but even Vegeta is merely one in a very long line of examples that dates back to antiquity.

>>724018739
The script was all Japanese. They could only change a few lines.

Ian Flynn is a terrible writer

>>724020470
I was a teenager in the late 90s/ 00s, the edgy factor isn't lost on me. I guess I don't see why he remains so popular for those reasons to this day. But I think the larger problem is ultimately how sega handles the IP (a surprise to nobody, I'm sure)

>>724020704
>I guess I don't see why he remains so popular for those reasons to this day.
Because the popularity of the archetype hasn't declined, and never will.

>>724020642
This ain't a hot take.

>>724008749 (OP)
Sonic Advance 2 is the only game in the series with a good implementation of the boost mechanic

>>724021001

The Rush games were better.

>>724009053
the gameplay sucked, but I only played the earlier demo so dont know if it got fixed

>>724021001
Agreed

>>724021001
I enjoyed advance 1 and 2 (the only ones I played), but wanted to rebuttal with >>724021067 this

Cybershell I know you're in this thread.

>>724008749 (OP)
sonic is in a better spot now than mario and i honestly cant believe it.

>>724021328
Nobody cares about that washed up loser
He'll probably troon out in a few years anyway, like ProtonJon

>>724021067
>>724021240
Semi-related but since is the hot take thread, I'll chime in with saying that the boost is good in Rush and Rush Adventure because you actually have to manage it properly with tricks and good meter management to do well. Sonic Team was the one that ruined it with Unleashed onwards with it basically being endless since the gauge fills with rings and they're everywhere. Also it's way less satisfying when there's no trick system to go alongside it.

>>724017436
>Sonic and Knuckles is actually fun alone.
You mean Chaotix? I don't think anyone really plays Sonic 3 co-op.

>>724020642
Again not a hot take, just true

It's practically unfathomable that Penders was so bad he makes Flynn look good by comparison

>>724018082
And then they fucked up the franchise again. Ironic. Later they even fucked up their good games at their "remasters".

>>724018790
Oh look, a Sonic Mania shill

>>724020642
How strong connections he has to still work as a Sonic writer and even been hired for the main games? Is he a Jew or something?

>>724021567
Generations 3DS would've gone from a decent side game to one of the best handheld entries if Boost was based on Tricks again; the fact that they use the Trick Rings in the stages but they just shuttle you in a direction is a huge wasted opportunity. Granted Gens 3DS would also need a better SA2 choice; not only is Radical Highway not a Sonic level, it's the lowpoint in terms of level design for both Sonics. Should've gone with Metal Harbor or Crazy Gadget.

>>724008749 (OP)
Mania Bosses sucks ass

>>724021067
That's what I thought in the past until I recently tried to replay Sonic Rush and realize how shitty was its level design and how messy were the low resolution 3d graphics.

Thank Christ, you guys are not part of Sonic Team holy shit

>>724008749 (OP)
I think sage should be shaped more like her dad

>>724022747
That's fucking nasty, holy shit

>>724017297
Game Sonic was never funny outside of some one liners in SA2. Cocky sure, but he was not a comedy character

>>724021350
What makes you say that?

>>724022747
Actually disgusting

>>724023097
just comparing the past few sonic games to mario.

>>724023234
that and nintendos general direction for games has been awful

>>724023234
I mean Mario Odyssey and Mario Wonder both blow Frontiers, Shadow Gens, and Superstars out of the water.
I get /v/ doesn't like those Mario games but pretending Sonic has had more quality games than Mario as of late is preposterous.
Now outside of the games sure, Sonic movies are way more enjoyable than Mario's slop

>>724023097
nta, but just the fact that Nintendo keeps making stupid decisions regarding not just Mario but their other games in general

>>724023430
I liked Superstars better than Wonder even with the godawful bosses.

>>724023573

Really?

>>724022320
He works for cheap and Xitter still likes him which gives Sega the positive word of mouth they are so desperate for.

>>724023430
Mario wonder is the same shit you have already played, it does nothing noteworthy it is just nsmb Wii but prettier, people are just waiting for the next big 3d Mario game, but Nintendo would rather charge people old games with lackluster AI up scaling at 70 fucking dollars

My hot take is I can't believe people are falling for the "SONIC GAMES ARE BACK!" meme
We go through this all the time
>Adventure 2 "SONIC IS BACK!"
>Heroes comes out
>Generations "SONIC IS BACK!"
>Lost World comes out
>Frontiers "SONIC IS BACK!"
Not until we see what the next mainline entry is will I even spare a cent of worry to 3D Sonic
>But we had good stuff in between like Dream Team, Shadow Gens
Just like how we had the Advance trilogy and Rush games during the dark ages. Means nothing.

>>724023430
I like shadow gens and frontiers better. didnt like odyssey at all and wonder was surprisingly disappointing and arguably worse than the new soup series

>>724023673
Also, Iizuka likes his writing. He said so. He feels Ian "gets the characters" or something.

>>724023665
Wonder is a fucking nothing game that relies solely on the spectacle of Wonder effects. The levels have absolutely nothing of substance to them without them, no substance in the level design, no substance in the platforming, nothing. I'd honestly go as far to say it felt less like a game and more like a Disneyland ride.

>>724023704
I love how you try to say this as an insult WHEN SONIC DID THE SAME THING WITH ORIGINS AND SHADOW GENS

It's really outside of the scope of this thread but regardless of personal opinion Mario games have consistently been more financially successful than Sonic games since at least the Dreamcast era.

At least Sonic used to be different with the series doing it's own thing, now it just copies Nintendo.

>>724023784
I get what you're saying, but I'm cautiously optimistic about it since hopefully sonic team will get more time to cook, but we have to wait and see

>>724023864

You're not wrong. But man, the second half of Superstars has some major dog shit level design, never mind the bosses.

Sonic Forces was fun. So was Frontiers.

The hate boner /v/ has for Mario Wonder feels so phoned in

>>724023959
>Twitter memes
Go back.

>>724023889
What? Sonic Origins was just a way for people to play the old games, and shadow gens does not even play the same compared to sonic gens tf? And Mario Wonder isn't a bad game, but it's just middling

Colors is a terrible game and I get irrationally angry when I see people praise it.
It’s the biggest bait and switch I’ve ever seen in a AAA game.
They billed it as a 3D game, the intro stages are 3D, and then you’re locked into horrible 2D platforming for 90% of the game.
It’s not a 3D Sonic game, it’s a badly made 2D game with weird physics and was falsely marketed.
I fucking hate Colors.
Why it got an HD port with better framerate instead of Unleashed will always make me incredibly angry.
The fact that Unleashed had the free Xbox performance boost means they absolutely knew what they were doing and instead chose to not give people what they wanted.

>>724024114
>I get irrationally angry when I see people praise it
kek, average Sonic autist

>>724024037
Sonic fans are so funny when they try to defend their middling series for doing the same shit they accuse others of

>>724024114
Same but with Forces, Colors is pretty fun enjoyable all around

>>724024114
Anon it's 2025
Colors was fun
No Lost World and Forces being bad doesn't somehow retroactively change that
Unleashed was mediocre yes we love the boost stages but 30% of the game being good does NOT make it an amazing game bro
Thought we got this outta our system in 2017

>>724024276
He's right though, you're comparing a collection with a standalone game, where the fuck is your logic?

>>724024276
Mario fags need to get a grip, not my fault, Nintendo is doing everything in their power to be shit.

>>724023957
Once I took off the daisy goggles I realized its just not that good. same with mkw

I do appreciate the daisy fan service though

>>724024352
Unleashedfags got real smug when Unleashed Recompiled came out, claiming that they "won" and everyone loves their game now and sees it as the "hidden gem it always was". And they're the ones with the biggest hateboner for Colors so that came back along with their smugness.

>>724024370
The logic is he threw out a baseless retarded accusation (yeah no I'm sure Mario used AI for their game or whatever the fuck he meant) so I threw it right back
If he had a problem he shouldn't have opened his mouth

>>724024603
You're an idiot, I'm talking about AI up-scaling for the graphics, also you said

>Sonic fans are so funny when they try to defend their middling series for doing the same shit they accuse others of

When has Sonic Team use AI in their games, because that would be news to me.

>>724008749 (OP)
Well, that’s pretty much my opinion. So I’ll add that no game since SA1 has gotten the tone right, and also Big’s stages were good.

>>724024832
When you tell me when Nintendo has used it I'll tell you when Sonic Team has used it
I'm all ears bud since you mentioned them using it first

>>724024901
Ok I looked it up, and they actually didn't have any AI up-scaling my fault, however what I said about over charging on the Mario galaxy collection and Mario Wonder not being that special is something I stand by with. But I'll wait to hear from you about Sonic Team using AI in their games

>>724025201
>I lied
Thank you

>>724025446
Your welcome? You still haven't refuted the other stuff I said and you didn't provide anything about Sonic Team using AI in their games

>>724008749 (OP)
i found sonic frontiers' pre-dlc finale interesting, and i'm curious to see any kids who grew up with it and managed to pass it without ragequitting and share their views of it

>>724025849
>grew up with it
Anon the game isn't even 3 years old yet

>>724026275
Frontiers is 100% going to be the SA2 for this era of kids though.

>>724026357
That's grim

>>724008749 (OP)
Roger Craig Smith's Sonic voice is fucking terrible.

>>724008749 (OP)
Sonic Adventure was not only a terrible transition for Sonic as a video game but as a character and he never ever recovered from it.

>>724026275
yeah i mean it in a couple of years but as >>724026357 said, it will definitely mark them i wonder if they will try some shmups because of itafter all i started playing hack n slash games because of the werehog, as slow and clunky as he was

>>724009124
>SA1 was perfect
Facial animations were shit, controls were wonky, fishing levels were shit, amy levels were shit, and angel island looks like pure fucking shit.

>>724027001
You're underaged

>>724027108
>no argument
Yeah, that's what I thought.

>>724009124
Fishing was not fun and broke the pacing of the game

Sonic Robo Blast 2 is a better 3D Sonic than any game made by Sega. The physics feels great and has nice exploration in a 3D space. It doesn’t take control out of your hands or force things with boost pads.

>>724029025
I can't play that game, for some reason it makes me really nauseous

>>724029025
Air acceleration is too janky and running up slopes never ever. Level design is great though

>>724008749 (OP)
SA and SA2 might as well be two different games

>>724013334
isn't that Shadow's job?

>>724029025
I agree, love that fucking game

>>724029025
The camera sucks a fat one.

>>724008749 (OP)
I feel the boost games limited a lot of the platforming potential sonic could have
I think lost world had a good idea with the parkour system to fix this but it was executed badly

>>724029025
Even if they don't want to make SRB2 official for legal or pride reasons Sonic Team should do a Mania and get the dev and the best modders to make an official game for them with their own not-Doom engine.
People have already been remaking classic zones and adventure stages with it so: do that as some sort of 35th anniversary Generations Part 2, that way they can churn out more as DLC if they want or leave it a one and done.

>>724008749 (OP)
I enjoy playing Sonic games

>>724008749 (OP)
sonic characters shouldn't speak. remove their ability to talk and it solves 90% of the problems that aren't gameplay related. notice how every sonic game where he talks has a lower review score than if he doesn't. all the stupid voice acting, story and lore drama will all be solved if they stop letting them speak. just bing bing wahoo like Mario

I liked 1 & 2. 3 was ok.
Level select made them better. I couldn't get past Marble Hill Zone.

But that's ok, as long as you have level select. It makes you appreciate seeing more.

Sonic had a theme, kind of a manufactured world. Like it was built. Had industry etc. And nature. It made because it's what could be. Some things nice, trying to give a feeling. Innocence, clean, fun, journey.

It wasn't about saying you're tough, it was about freeing animals from their confinement as bad things, to belonging in that beautiful world. Being nice, cute.
Ha, Robotnik may have made it or a lot of it. But nice things didn't enjoy being made to be dangerous/bad.

>>724030939
You seem to forget that the target audience is no longer people 18 and above. Kids don't leave reviews. They beg their parents for the next Sonic game and SEGA makes their money.

>>724031293
how do i unsubscribe from this blog

>>724031293
Some games shouldn't have level select. Because the best is the start too hard to see the rest. And the rest insufficient.

I saw Tiny Toon Adventures: Buster's hidden treasure on youtube after playing it decades prior as a rental, and it went from one of my favourite games I though would be amazing to spoilt, dull. I spoiled it by not being content I had played something great and it would go on so. Kept from getting there by my ability might have deprived what was after something. Like the devs reckoned, they can't get past here, we don't need to make the rest as good. And they were right. Kind of, should still make great stuff, but if it won't be seen it's less of a priority. I should have helped make how it continues. I knew how it was great, they may have been exhausted, putting all their effort into the start as to entice trying.

You don't need to see everything, just the start good up to where you can't go on.
Ongoing is good, but doesn't have to be the same game. Doesn't all have to be in one game.

Games are good like that. You can have variety. You can be whatever is needed to be the star and the hero. Different abilities, different moves, different world. It expressed in wonderful ways as something worth saving.

Us ongoing would be good, as long as we don't let a good ending of it ongoing be replaced with a spoil saying that good ongoing was bullshit. That's a lie. The inspiration was the truth.

>>724031919
stay clear from anything about opinions and "hot takes"

>>724031919
Be more than a fucking annoyance and appreciate it.
Commentary is at least confirmation it's seen.
Your actions and passion would appreciate similar if you'd tried, if you kept interest instead of getting it from educators.
Much has faith in you, don't let them down. Show off so they keep so, you keep so, and save a world even if it's just saying it's worth saving. A lot of ways to do that. one of them is doing it.

>>724032142
Unfuck yourself. You're spoiled instead of solution.
People here having their own opinion is what makes it interesting. Spam from some sanctioned parasite you're so pathetic you identify with isn't a credit to here or anywhere.
Passion preserves progress.

>>724032558
Ok Aspergers

>>724032558
just wonder why an anon would go to a hot takes thread and complain about hot takes

>>724032786
I was more talking about the nigga who just types weird idc about the takes, most of them in this thread are retarded

>>724032840
>most of them in this thread are retarded
yes a hot take
what are you complaining about?

>>724032786
It's not a hot take. It's common cowardice. The fall back state for anyone who destroys the dreams of others to rape what they made.

>>724032945
I'm just some of them are dumb that's all I know I'm not only one who thinks this, am I'm not allowed too lol?

>>724009124
i actually remember loving the amy segments, did people really not like them? big segments are absolutely terribad but i've gotten so autistically good at them i don't really mind them now. i probably play that game at least once a year it's one if my most beloved games

>>724009306
i'm a complete outlier, but i actually like the werehog beat 'em up segments more than the day stages. in the running stages i feel like i can't see anything as i'm running most of the time. i've been playing the pc port recently. the medal shit is absolutely egregious though, that is the worst thing about that game i think

>>724008749 (OP)
(modded) SRB2 is legitimately the best 3D Sonic game.

>>724009053
somewhat but those plane stages and final boss were deserved

>>724029025
idk the stages feel weird to move in and sonic is too floaty

>>724008749 (OP)
2D Sonic is boring

>>724009124
Sky Chase.
>b-but
Sky Chase FOUR TIMES.

>>724027558
Nahhh

>>724036141
>Move Sonic to the right and nothing can hit you
Enjoy your four minutes of living?

>>724008749 (OP)
I once saw a very autistic black speedrunner give the most level headed assesment as to why the perception of Sonic is so poor. Mostly because Sonic's gameplay changes so much that people all have different ideas as to what it is and what it should be, which leads to a lot of dissatisfacting because the very same fans of the series all expect different things.

I was never able to find the clip again, it was posted only once during an /agdq/ thread, however I still take these words to heart.

>>724036973
That ain't living

>>724037761
Makes sense

>>724037761
Yeah it's the irony of Sonic Team's design philosophy, they add all the changes and, failing anything that significant, gimmicks because their idea of Sonic is something that's always dynamic despite its fundamental premise.
If you evaluate the series that becomes a visibly defining trait even if not a good one, specific character playstyles for Adventure/'06, to the team mechanics of Heroes to hyperfocusing on speed with 2D and 3D Boost to PoV changes and Wisps, they clearly didn't want subsequent games to just feel like sequels to a staple formula.
Which dissuaded more people than it impressed.

>>724037950
Nuh huh

I like Sonic Rivals

I ALWAYS RACE TO WIN, KEEP RUNNING 'TILL THE END
I GOTTA MOVE AND STAY ONE STEP AHEAD

>>724043371
Based, that was my go to PSP game for a year

The hate for Shadow the Hedgehog was overblown, it's a decent game
Sonic 1 being a hit is a miracle, the whole game is mid as fuck except for starlight zone
Tails is a terrible sidekick for Sonic
06 story was good
The Werehog should've been simply a character action game mode for normal Sonic not a separate design alltogether
Unleashed and Colors were great games

Honey the Cat would be a good addition to the main Sonic cast

>>724044059
But there's already THREE cats in the cast!

>>724008749 (OP)
Well surely that is a "hot take" since SA2's tone is far superior. Just look at how many more people give a shit about Shadow and his plotline than do about Chaos, who is practically a non-character. You can think ol' Water Boy is cool (he is), but I pretty much guarantee you aren't moved by him as a participant in the story. Everything can be boiled down to "GOT ANOTHER EMERALD OOPS I MEAN CHAOS DOES." And the only, ONLY memorable thing is Gamma fucking dying. So... so much for "edgier themes being bad."

>>724045051
When you grow up you'll understand kid

>>724043982
>Tails is a terrible sidekick for Sonic
Elaborate on this terrible opinion

>>724045107
Sonic Adventure 2 was 24 years ago.

>>724008749 (OP)
There still hasn't been the perfect Sonic game ever made, and it will happen within our life time. I will be a proud old man when kids get to see it, and I get to tell them what Sonic is all about.

>>724045168
Sonic 1
8 bit

>>724009053
This makes me laugh. It's not even a surprising comment, it's just fucking true.

>>724009124
>SA1 was perfect
>Amy sections sucked COCKKKK

??????

>>724043982
>Sonic 1 being a hit is a miracle
It's really not when you look at what it was running up against in 1991. The smooth graphics and Sonic's high speeds and handling on slopes and shit was earthshattering, compared to blocky NES games and walking slowly on rudimentary tileset graphics.

>>724045168
What's wrong with Mania then?

Not mad, I'm just genuinely curious what you think needs to be improved with it to call it perfect? Unless it's "THERES TOO MANY RETRO ZONESSSSS WAAAA!!!" because that's disingenuous.

>>724018205
the problem is that you'd only get like 3 stages to play with super sonic

>>724045121
I refuse

>>724045306
Can you point out where I said they sucked?

Sonic Heroes hot take, We Can is the best team theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UtwdDjhA_4

I like Sonic Pinball and I liked Sonic 1 on Master System more than the one on Megadrive.

>>724008749 (OP)
i did not care for any of the new zones in sonic mania aside from studiopolis and the wild wild west level

>>724035097
Most people agree which is the 2D sell like shit compared to the 3D ones.

>>724045498
sure.

right here:

>>MUH AMY SECTIONS
>aren't great I'll give you that. What else you got?

Robo Blast 2 is the best unofficial sonic game. It's on the same level as the Adventure, if not even better with how fucking fast you can be in that game.
https://youtu.be/LXuaqliWyGM?t=10

>>724045662
>aside from studiopolis and the wild wild west level
Bro, that's like half of them

>>724045662
So all of them?

>>724008749 (OP)
Cool, you already stole my hot take, but yeah SA1 nailed perfectly what 3D Sonic is supposed to be and it's crazy how stupid and incompetent is Sega by degrading the formula each game afterwards ultimately dropping it after 06, now we're stuck with automated boost slop, running on long hallways for more than a decade.

>>724045767
So saying something "isn't great" equates to "it sucks" in your eyes
Got it

>>724046125
yes????

>>724046125
That's literally what it means lmao

I saw your reply the first time, no need to samefag

Tails Adventure should be retcon'd to taking place later in the timeline.

>>724046329
>/sthg/

>>724046329
Sonic 4 is stated to take place directly after Sonic 3 therefore this pic is false

The 2000s games weren't bad at all

i finally gave sa1 an honest shake recently (had only played through bits of it before) and i had to force myself to finish sonic's story, the rest i left halfway done

>>724046863
Not anymore as of Sonic Team's official Sonic Timeline.

https://sonic.sega.jp/SonicChannel/character/worldstory/index.html

Mania comes after 3&K followed by Superstars.

Sonic was never good.

>>724008749 (OP)
SA2 sucks

06 is an Adventure game in every way but name.
Adventure 1 holds up more than 2.
CD visuals are ugly.
The storybook games sucks but I wouldn't mind another go at it.
Zero Gravity is bad compared to Riders, the change of making tricks a time based jump command vs. Inputing stick movements was stupid. The game just feels less interactive.
IDW comics have done, and will continue to do so, irreparable damage to the games.
Cubot and Orbot need to go.

>>724047527
>Cubot and Orbot need to go.
you had me until this one.

>>724047527
>CD visuals are ugly
Actual bad taste WOW

>>724047527
>The storybook games sucks
Black Knight was good tf

>>724045345
not him but the one bad thing of mania is reused zones due to iizuka
mania should have been all new zones
it's honestly the only deserving criticism

Adventure has better controls than Generations.

sonic adventure 1 and 2 are the only good sonic games

sonic needs more combat and exploration and less of a focus on high speed platforming
spark 3 is a perfect illustration of how to execute it

>>724049128
>less of a focus on high speed platforming
That's literally Sonic's whole thing. It's his entire appeal.
Also the combat was the worst part of Spark 2 and 3 and the game was at its best when you could ignore it

>>724049128
This anon wins the thread
Not only is this take piping hot but it's also extremely retarded to say Sonic should stop being a platformer
This' on the same tier as VULNERABLE Sonic

>>724049287
>>724049468
hence hot takes
but i still think by itself and without stage-unique level elements platforming just feels shallow
meanwhile i think using characters' abilities like those in the advance series or heroes as tools for secret-finding and weapons against enemies, and "stylish action" always seemed like a type of gameplay that'd easily mesh with sonic's character
also i don't think platforming should be outright abandoned, i think it should play a part next to these other two elements