Thread 724019138

Unpopular Opinion: The DoA girls looked better back when they had the "doll" look (up to Dimensions on 3DS), it's like a nice mix of realistic and anime, also the outfits weren't trying so hard to look "sexy" (the ones of the gacha game are specially shitty at looking sexy).

More unpopular opinon: 3D faux anime artstyles look like dogshit, this is not just limited to old DOA but Stellar Blade, Tekken and the modern FFVII remakes too. Gook sameface is ugly

I hear that opinion quite often. Is it just a vocal minority? It's a nice style, but I prefer how DoA1 and DoA5 look less uncanny to me, and they're easier to take seriously as a bonus. 2 on DC felt real accounting for hardware limitations as well, which makes 3/U/4 the outliers.

>>724019138 (OP)
I've been saying that in DOA threads for years. The thing is, DOA threads are the same two guys spamming the same DOA5/6 images over and over. And then a couple people responding to it. So basically, no one cares. DOA is a dead franchise.

Also, the reason the older DOA stuff looked better was more about character animations and personality. Modern DOA, all the classic characters just look like variations of Helena. Not just their face but their movements and personality. Likely because they keep aging up the girls instead of keeping them their original age. Characters like Kasumi are canonically christmas cakes now. And that used to be what made Helena unique. Now all the pre Rose girls are that age. When even Kasumi is just "Helena with a cuter voice" you know the series fucked up.

>>724020850
>The thing is, DOA threads are the same two guys spamming the same DOA5/6 images over and over. And then a couple people responding to it. So basically, no one cares.

i click on thread about DOA, and close the thread because of this. it happens all the time

>>724019138 (OP)
2-4 going for a more artistic stylized appearance still looks appealing to this day.
i personally prefer the look of 2-4 over the later games, realism is not appealing to me

>>724020850
>Modern DOA, all the classic characters just look like variations of Helena. Not just their face but their movements and personality.
This is what killed it for me. How did it get this bad?

>>724019138 (OP)
I miss this look. I want it back

>>724019138 (OP)
i think a lot of people prefer that look still, actually

>>724022163
I can only theorize. But I expect they leaned too hard into the "they're no longer teenagers, they're 21-25 year olds." And so gave every single one of them that look and personality. Except Hitomi who they turned into derped Barbie.

>>724019138 (OP)
>Unpopular Opinion
but its a fact not an Opinion

>>724019138 (OP)
People who complained about how ridiculous the jiggle physics are...they just can't be saved.

>>724022483
it's funny that hitomi used to be THE DOA girl for a while there. at least from what i remember. i've never seen a character's popularity drop so quickly after her redesign. especially for earlier, her face looked very uncanny for pre-release DOA5.

>>724019138 (OP)
The real unpopular opinion is liking all the doa games.
>>724022483
Hitomi and Helena had the roughest transition to the new art style but I still like them

What's sad is, modern technology could have just made the girls look like their actual anime designs. They could have been cel shaded or use something like Dragon Quest/Genshin, which are still 3D models but look hand drawn. Instead, they went even harder on 3D models. To the point they actually look more generic and "doll" like than the old PS/Dreamcast models did.

It gets even more suspicious because all the new characters they add look cuter and better models. But the models for the characters from DOA4 and earlier are the ones that look bad.

>>724020850
>all the classic characters just look like variations of Helena
Helena is one of the most distinct characters. If you said Kasumi or Marie Rose, I'd at least see where you're coming from, but this just sounds retarded.
>but their movements and personality
This is only true of Xtreme because it's Xtreme.
>Characters like Kasumi are canonically christmas cakes now
She's 19, retard.

>>724019138 (OP)
dont care, wheres marie rose

>>724023241
This really used to get me unbeareably horny back in the day and now I barely get a wiggle from it.

>>724019138 (OP)
post more examples of this doll look

>>724023241
>Helena is one of the most distinct characters.
She was in the old games. She was the MILF character with the stoic/ara expressions. But since DOA5, most of the classic girls have that. Especially Kasumi. Gone is her look of moe hesitation. Now she just has a perpetual determined/smug MILF look. And she looks 25-32 years old. Basically, like Helena.

the gacha's flushed skin texturing looks godawful, mostly due to its low resolution
kinda just looks like dirt

>>724023670
You have brain damage.

>>724024219
he's got a point, most of the girls in 5 look much older and KT/TN aged them all up anyway to appease modern sensibilities

Popular Opinion: The DoA girls looked better back when they had pubes.

>>724019138 (OP)
Deus Ex MD > HR

>>724024608
They had pubes???

>>724024219
And you have no counter argument. Literally look at the picture. Even if she's not canonically a christmas cake, they made her look like one. Not just the older looking face but her mannerisms and personality and even her voice change.

Kasumi was one of THE biggest moe characters in Japan for like 15 years. Literally had the voice of Kinomoto Sakura and endless merchandise of her looking cute. Then DOA5 comes out, they change her voice actress, make her look older, and 3/4 the Japanese fans dropped the series. Hmm...I wonder what happened...

>>724024598
They still all look like babyfaced dolls with ridiculously perfect complexions. If you think that's old-looking even for 19, you've never seen a human before.
>but their skin looks like flesh and blood instead of porcelain
And?

>>724023241
>DOA image spamming nigger has shit opinion

top kek

>>724020216
God I wish I was the liquid in that test-tube.

>>724024868
you're being disingenuous and unfair to that anon, actually address what he said instead of straw manning >>724024830

>>724024868
>They still all look like babyfaced dolls with ridiculously perfect complexions.
Uh...not in DOA5 and later. They look like slutty 30 year old porn actresses. And their 3D models look terrible. Especially the skin. Which someone already mentioned in this thread earlier.

>>724025028
Everything in that post is an accurate response to both, but since you're desperate for a (You), I'll add more.

>>724024830
>they change her voice actress
You absolute retard, they changed her CV in DoA3, who is still the CV to this day.
>make her look older
Retard.
>3/4 the Japanese fans dropped the series
Which is why it's dead in the west and 90% of its profit comes from Japan now, obviously.

>>724025208
>You absolute retard, they changed her CV in DoA3
Which a lot of fans complained about. As well as the XBOX exclusivity. The series started to lose sales then. But it lost even more with DOA5.
>Retard.
I'll take that as a concession. I'm glad you agree she does look older.
>Which is why it's dead in the west and 90% of its profit comes from Japan now, obviously.
It's a fraction of what it used to be in Japan as well. It's being kept alive by a handful of whales who feed it's gatcha system. One of which is a westerner who spams DOA threads on /v/ almost daily.

>>724025206
>They look like slutty 30 year old porn actresses
So where are the blemishes, lip lines, crows feet, furrowed brows, cheek and eye bags, or obviously caked on makeup to ineffectually hide these features? Oh wait, they don't exist, samefagging retard.

>>724025572
>The series started to lose sales then.
It's the best-selling game in the whole series.
>It's being kept alive by a handful of whales who feed it's gatcha system
And a fighting game franchise being propped up by people who whale for cute girls rather than the gameplay directly correlates with the girls not being cute anymore. Right...

they were also not all generic asians back then as they are now.

>>724025208
>Which is why it's dead in the west and 90% of its profit comes from Japan now
The majority of profits from DOA have always been the merchandise. Not the games themselves. And Kasumi was far and away their golden goose. But interest in her has completely crashed. Marie Rose and Honoka are the ones that bring in merchandise sales for them now.

And this just proves that the design change for Kasumi was a failure. They could have had huge sales for the new girls AND Kasumi. But they screwed their model. And now sales for figurines and posters for Marie/Honoka are cooling, because the games are no longer keeping interest going.

>>724025842
>It's the best-selling game in the whole series.
With the majority of sales being in the west. And by your own previous comment, western interest in DOA has died. So Japan is having to keep it alive. So which is it? The series is doing just fine or it's struggling?

I love Kasumi!

I've masturbated to vanilla DOA2 more than any other video game.

>>724026003
>>724026117
Jesus, looks like you killed that anon with facts & logic.

>>724026003
>Marie Rose and Honoka are the ones that bring in merchandise sales for them now.
>Two of the smallest girls are now the most popular
They really have changed their target demo.

the longer i've been looking at them the more I respect 5 for being a really great visual evolution
depending on the context either can look better
but i still like the earlier style a lot too as it's own thing

i just wish they didn't take the gacha pill with doax and expanded on the actual gameplay of waveracer

I like the stylized realism look, but I think VV Prism went a little too far with it

>ITT boomers complain about change and yell at clouds for moving with the times
The "doll" look was fine for the 90s and early 2000s but its outdated by modern standards. TN would have to pivot eventually and their choices was to go full anime or semi-realistic.

>>724019138 (OP)
No, I don't disagree with you. Especially since their tits were bigger back then as well. Stylization wins over realism in this case.

>>724031040
bait

>>724031040
They're a minority amongst DOA fans

>>724026961
Me too!

>>724031040
>The "doll" look was fine for the 90s and early 2000s but its outdated by modern standards.
The problem is, the new DOA style is just the modern day version of the doll look.
>TN would have to pivot eventually and their choices was to go full anime or semi-realistic.
Yes, they should have gone full anime. And not this terrible semi realistic look that ages about as well as plastic surgery.

>>724031279
Boomers are a minority in most places in the world, so no surprises there.

>>724031193
Just look at any fighting game in the past decade and you'll see the same pattern.

>>724019138 (OP)
No

DOA5+ is still better

>>724029150
No they didn't

Kasumi is fucking boring

Marie Rose and Honoka had flair

>>724019138 (OP)
I'd be fine with both options if the girls weren't aged up.

>>724031474
DOA pushed the boundaries of character models, to only pine for ye olde days is boomer nostalgia goggles shitposting bait.

Helena looks majestic from her debut even to the shit game that is 6 and is basically a sex goddess in X3 and Venus Vacation.

>>724031506
Kasumi was boring since DOA1 and 2. But she was still the most popular girl by far. And competed with girls like Mai and Chun Li for merchandise sales. Until they changed her design in DOA5.

>>724031601
>And competed with girls like Mai and Chun Li for merchandise sales
No she didn't, you're fucking delusional if you thought otherwise

Welp, the DOA spammer found the thread. And now it's just going to be defense of the new style and endless posting of images from DOA5/6. With no actual discussion.

>>724019138 (OP)
Absolutely agreed. I've been saying this for years. The change to a more realistic look was awful for the vast majority of girls. The only one I think could possibly be considered an upgrade is Helena but mostly only with the thick version of her for porn. The actual game model is whatever. I'll take DOA3 girls any day of the week. Peak classic anime style hotties. There is nothing hotter than DOA3 Christie in her default outfit with those titties bouncing all over the place.

>>724031413
the op is a boomer shitposter who spawned when itagaki died and is shitposting across doa threads with his shit tier drivel and bait
if i had 4chin pass i'd spam his threads with venus vacation screenshots

>>724031680
I actually keep track of merchandise sales. Kasumi figures were some of the most bought new. And then highest priced for used. Some of them that originally sold for $90 would sell for $500-$1000 used. Because people were that obsessed with her. But no one wants to but her new figurines. They just want the old ones from before DOA5.

https://myfigurecollection.net/entry/2548

>>724031883
Even if oatmeal cookie's expiry wasn't recent, there are always boomer shitposting on DOA threads about how everything was better before 5.

>>724031689
he gets oddly defensive doesn't he
quick to jump in and defend his gacha girls if not posting about the gacha slop

>>724031903
For every Kasumi merchandise sale there are tons more Chun-li and even Mai Shiranui sold

You're delusional

>>724032002
no there isn't
this faggot is new

>>724019138 (OP)
TRVKE. Realism does not belong in video games.
We must RETVRN to perfect dollwives.

>>724032159
Proof? Use the site I just linked you to. Mai figurines sell around the same as Kasumi. Chun Li ones are not as popular as you think. Chun Li has a huge cultural impact. But not as much merchandise sales as the other two.

5 was peak
I have a close up of Momiji somewhere, on my old computer I think, and she literally looks perfect there

>>724030757
VV Prism is AIslop, the DOA5 models were simply too good but had outdated textures.

They made them more than a decade ago and they've repurposed them for X3, changed them a bit for DOA6 and improved them for VV.

Then in VV Prism they look like aliens, even Honoka wasn't spared.

>>724032239
Nuh uh, I was here when they release the trailer for 5 and there were already anons complaining about how it looks even back then.

>>724032239
>this faggot is new
I was complaining about the remodel as far back as DOA5. The daily spammer can attest to that. I've ruined many of his threads pointing out this exact thing.

>>724019138 (OP)
Agreed
>>724019980
Go jerk off to the ghost of antifa bitch then you fucking stupid faggot

>>724019138 (OP)
Based, I kneel. They peaked with 4 and Xtreme 2.
The new Penus Vacation girls look like whatever non-sexy disposable generic AI gookslop, and true, their outfits are too tryhard so they don't look sexy either.

>>724019138 (OP)
agreed. i had all the doa games on the xbox, so it could partially be bias/nostalgia. was never a doa fan, but always liked the girls and it was early horny material for me.

>>724019138 (OP)
i've been playing dimensions for the first time. some stuff like the camera feels like proto-5 jank but the story is cool.
the way they play videos in 3D looks like dogshit though, they project the 2D video onto some slightly protruding triangle shape to try to simulate depth. looks way worse than just playing the video in 2D,
since most of the cutscenes are 20fps whether or not you use 3D i'm trying to watch them all in 3D but it's annoying to have to turn it on and off a lot.
the 3D in battles looks really good, though i'd almost always rather play at 60fps.

>>724025015
This but the liquid slime from the uncut DOA2 intro instead.

>>724020216
God I wish I had a Kasumi clones factory in my garage too

>>724025015
>>724034080
Slime bros!

I liked most of the doa5 redesigns, except for hitomi and helena.

>>724020850
>the same two guys spamming the same DOA5/6 images over and over
it hasn't been like that for years. any doa thread now is nothing but gachaniggers posting their shitty oc characters.

>>724025015
>>724034080
I've always wonder what it'd feel like to fuck Alpha-152. Would she feel like jello? Would she have body heat?

>>724019138 (OP)

RIP

>>724035936
sexo

>>724037515

That was the Dreamcast version of Dead or Alive 2 that got the cover story in that issue. At the time, the DOA2 for the Dreamcast was one of the best looking fighting games for the system. Pretty close to the NAOMI arcade game.

https://youtu.be/KtjHFZlw-AQ

>>724037965
i remember when console ports were just scaled down arcade conversions
then the very next gen they started being on par graphically, sometimes even exceeding
was mindblowing

>>724038294
>i remember when console ports were just scaled down arcade conversions
>then the very next gen they started being on par graphically, sometimes even exceeding
>was mindblowing

The Dreamcast was the first home console to archive 'close' or 'better than' home ports of 3D arcade games. Dead or Alive 2 was originally created for the Sega NAOMI arcade board, which essentially was a Dreamcast but with more RAM and faster disc drive for less loading. The Dreamcast home port looked amazing for a 2000 home console release. If you look close enough, the textures look like they are a little more compressed on the Dreamcast. The cut scenes only run at 30fps as opposed to the arcades 60fps cut scenes. But it is pretty close. I thing the DC port looks more vibrant than the PS2 port.

Yeah, the old style was similar looking. But infinitely better than the new rebooted style. Which has its own sameface syndrome.

>>724021682
>uploaded 15 years ago
wtf I didn't even know it had a 1080p version, instantly hard after just cumming 30 minutes ago

After DOA4 it was all downhill

>>724040973
Ok boomer.

>>724041371
>gachafag
lol

>>724041397
I've been here from when we had lobbies on /v/ during the heyday of 5. Not my fault the only thing keeping DOA relevant is the gacha game.

>>724019138 (OP)
Nah, i like the more realistic look of DOA5. Tina is my favorite snowbunny!

DoA peaked with Marie Rose.

Popular opinion: The DoAs look better without their clothes on. Less clothes and less fighting, that's the perfect DoA.

>>724023202
cel shading was something devs did to get around polygon limitations. DoA's entire thing was being as realistic as possible. 2 had full cloth/soft body physics, on Dreamcast. the Xbox remake went so far as to have modelled nails and eyelashes and fabric stitching patterns.

>>724031040
DoA 3 looks better than the majority of modern games, in terms of character models
you could drop those models into a modern game and it would be an improvement

>>724042398
Sure thing, grandpa. Let's get you to bed now.

>>724042465
tell us more about your love for Deborah Wilson, Brayden

>>724042273
>DoA's entire thing was being as realistic as possible.
Having lots of details is not the same as being "as realistic as possible." A Miyazaki film will go overboard on character movement and environmental details. But still keep the anime style and go crazy with other cartoonish things. DOA was the same. They'd spend tons of time on clothing or jiggle physics. But still kept the anime look and tropes, at a time when they could have changed the characters to look "realistic." Cookie Monster didn't want that. And after he left, the new people who took over went for the shitty quazi realism we have now. Which is the worst of both worlds.

>>724042581
Is this "Deborah Wilson" here in this room right now? And gramps, Brayden passed away 8 years ago.

>>724042687
that isn't how you use that meme, retard.

>>724042824
Dementia and hallucinations aren't memes, anon.

>>724042645
>realism is when ugly
okay dumbarse

>>724042875
did an old man piss in your cheerios or something? they seem to be the only thing you think about

>>724042895
>greentext that is nowhere near what he said
>calling him a dumbass

>>724042937
You might not have noticed but this thread is filled with old men complaining about the good ol' days of DOA pre-5. Including (You) apparently.

>>724043119
it's exactly what he said. He said the characters got more realistic, and conflated that with less appealing. work on your reading comprehension. DoA was never "anime". It was always intended to be as realistic as the hardware could handle, that's why they went to the effort of modelling individual hairs and the fibres in a character's iris. the most 'anime' it ever got was in the hyper-perfection of the designs, where they have impossibly perfect physiques and facial symmetry. It's meant to be realism+; like how someone wishes people looked like, rather than cartoonery.

>>724043356
>uhh DoA 4 is crusty boomer shit fr fr :skull:
Think Rope™

>>724043437
Sure 4 was good (for its time) but you're viewing it through nostalgia goggles if you think it was peak.

>>724043382
>DoA was never "anime".
It was. And it still is even in the redesign. They've just switched the tropes. Imagine looking at a character like Honoka or Marie Rose and saying "yeah, that's realistic."
>It was always intended to be as realistic as the hardware could handle
They can make it realistic now. But are choosing not to. Same as something like FF7 Remake.
>that's why they went to the effort of modelling individual hairs and the fibres in a character's iris.
This doesn't make something "not anime." Again, you can find anime examples where they go super obsessive in drawing the eyes or hair detailed. Even more detailed than a real person.
>the most 'anime' it ever got was in the hyper-perfection of the designs, where they have impossibly perfect physiques and facial symmetry.
Games trying to go for "realism" do this as well. Imagine being this stupid and then calling other people stupid.

>>724042398
5 or 6 year old me would have given anything to play a doa game with the graphics on the right.

>>724043382
>he most 'anime' it ever got was in the hyper-perfection of the designs, where they have impossibly perfect physiques and facial symmetry.
This just in. Mass Effect, Marvel Rivals, Bugs Bunny and literally 99% of all media are anime. Because they follow symmetry and beauty standards.

>>724043382
How do people say this when Hayabusa can launch someone 30 feet into the air to Izuna drop them on their heads?

>>724042398
The biggest thing holding modern games back is actually character movement. And games like DOA3 (even 2) have better character movement than modern games. Because they created unique character animations. Many modern games keep reusing animations from like 12 years ago. So many games look amazing, but then the characters move like they're from GTA4.

>>724040973
This

Patty. That is all.

>>724044190
When someone is making a dumb argument. I get what he was trying to say. But he won't admit he argued it poorly.

>>724043712
Funny thing is, it's arguably the worst game in the series on a competitive level despite having the highest-profile scene.

>>724044190

>>724044217
Have you seen Bayman's animations? He still uses the same janky moves from 1996, it's as bad as the fucking hellsweep. Do you know how mocap works? If not, we can't have a meaningful discussion.

>>724044845
Do you think Aragorn II, son of Arathorn II and Gilraen, would have a 2021 BMW 5 Series 530i as his vehicle of choice?

>>724026961
>>724031369

Why is she flaunting her armpits?

>>724023202
There is nothing wrong with the realism of the Xbox. Fuck making them look like anime models, they should have went further with the realism but enhanced the organic skin from 2003/4/5 instead of going for that sweaty plastic look from 2012 onwards.

>>724023241
nigger

This thread reeks of severe cope.

>>724019138 (OP)
TRVTH NVKE

>>724019138 (OP)
That and all the characters people care about a pushed to the background while they release an endlesss stream of interchangeable Marie Rose clones to make "content" for their gacha.

>>724020216
In comparison to the amount of people playing, it's probably a minority, yeah. It gets said a lot on /v/, but if /v/ is a majority of players, things are even worse than they seem.
Personally, it's not the character style that bothers me so much as the outfit style. Like Kasumi's OG school uniform having boots. They went out of pocket a lot more often originally, but now they just do everything strictly by the most boring standard.

>>724041910
>>724044056
SOVL vs soulless

>>724043538
Itagakifags should follow their leader.

I'm okay with how DOA5 and 6 look, but if somehow we get a new one, they need to give the game some color, 5 and 6 were too muted.

>>724032517
She always does

>>724049850
>they need to give the game some color
Should be a message to a majority of game devs these days

I dont know if this is the thread but

Dead or alive xtreme 2 is what pushed me into puberty. When I was an older kid i didnt understand why boys my age liked girls boobs and ass. I only liked females with cute faces, i never understood why guys liked boobs. At one point it made me depressed and I thought I was gay even tho i had no attraction to guys

Suddenly months after that depression i stumbled upon the dead or alive xtreme 2 intro during the beginning of youtube. Then it clicked and life changed forever for me. It was the first time I have ever jerked off to women and it was that damn intro

If I never saw that dead or alive xtreme 2 intro idk if something else wouldve awakened my sexuality. I couldve turned into a furfag or a faggot but that game saved me. I will always prefer the pre DOA xtreme 3 doll models because of that

>>724043538
Why is DOA5 that low

Tamaki is perfection.

DoA5 was my first doa game
i went back and emulated some of the earlier ones, they were fun and ofc love the ninja gaiden games
anyway, gyaru sexo

>>724047389
she's so pure

>>724019138 (OP)
They still look like a guy fucked a clothing shop mannequin, what do you mean?

As much as I like the original games on the Xbox, the new art style push was the right choice and well done for the most part outside of Helena's hideous face. The OG art style suited the Xbox perfectly and gave this really crisp, smooth look. But, the newer art style gives more back like the sweat, seeing more muscle definition, and everyone get roughed up during a fight.

>>724051675
is cabbage good for you?

>>724040973
>After DOA2* it was all downhill
ftfy

>>724019138 (OP)
>Unpopular Opinion
There's a reason it's unpopular. Actually, a lot of reasons.

the only problem with modern doa girls is giant hands and lack of hair options

>>724051406
Shit game