Thread 724021357

this game is just depressing

>>724021357 (OP)
why

I love this game

Well it is the end of our world and demons are roaming the earth vying for power, was it supposed to be cheery?

>>724021357 (OP)
Yeah, it's great

>>724021357 (OP)
For me, it's Chiaki. Also Inugami best boy.

>>724021357 (OP)
just like my life

>>724023328
yes, persona does it aswell

>>724021357 (OP)
Hell yeah it is

>>724021357 (OP)
that's the appeal
if you want a party of eclectic anime characters there's a bunch of other games for that

>>724024325
:/

>>724021357 (OP)
it has Dante

>>724021357 (OP)
it's a post-apoc setting nigga what were you expecting

>>724028850
its a vidya it should be fun not depressing

>>724021357 (OP)
has the best atmosphere in the series. from start to finish. 1 and 2 right after it.

>>724021357 (OP)
you probably don't have what it takes to be a samurai

>>724021357 (OP)
It's okay you got your friends

>>724021357 (OP)
Somewhere out there, a reddit homo is trying to claim this game because the protag goes around shirtless.

>>724021357 (OP)
yeah
it gives a nice sense of isolation despite the ability to interact with others
feeling real alien and all

I will never understand how people enjoy this game. The writing is terrible and non-existent half of the time. For christ's sake, even the reasons, which should be the one thing given serious development and attention, come out of nowhere. You'll see a character you haven't seen in 5 hours and all of a sudden their view on the world is completely different. Why? Doesn't matter. Further development? No, this is it.
The world is literally dead and yes I know "that's da point!!!!" but that doesn't make the environments any less drab, uninteresting, and repetitive.
Even the gameplay is rough. This is far from SMT's best dungeon selection and the big selling point of the combat, the press turn system, is terribly implemented. Most bosses have no elemental weaknesses so you can only get extra turns through crits and tthe way bosses utilize extra turns isn't interesting, it's just "okay the boss gets to attack 5 times in a row this turn" wow, epic.

>>724035443
>>724035443
filtered purse-owner.

>>724035443
People that prioritizes gameplay over story-telling prefer SMT over persona.
This is one of the better if not best SMTs because the gameplay is good.

You should be comparing this pokemon, not final fantasy. Pokemon equally has no , if less, story.

>>724035443
Based retard. Good thing there's a spin off series made just for people like you.

>>724035443
>he didn’t dump all his points into strength

this game is just depressing

>>724035659
You are genuinely crazy if you think this is one of SMT's best gameplay-wise. Even VV, for as overall messy as that game is, has comically better combat and demon management.

Spiritually charged game. Shijima best reason.

>>724035576
kek this

>>724035889
I like how you just ignored my argumentative statement and tried to derail it with this reply.

>>724035443
this is a monster collecting game.
story is tertiary.

SMT 3 is peak outside of V. and V is inferior to everything but in combat to 3.

>>724036238
I already pre-acknowledged your statement in my original post. My criticisms of Nocturne are not exclusively related to the game's writing. I don't think dungeons in Nocturne are well designed, nor do I think combat is interesting within boss encounters (typically highlights of RPG combat).
There's obviously other issues one could go into, like the anon replying under you says this is a "monster collecting game" yet Nocturne had notably less demons than SMT 1 and 2. But I feel those kind of issues are less significant than the core experience (exploration and combat) being not good.
Even if one likes SMT games because of their gameplay over all else, Nocturne is still not what I would consider a "good" SMT game. It is perhaps "good" if compared to infantile shit like pokemon, yes. But that's it.

>>724021357 (OP)
The core message is ultimately uplifting.

>>724025523
Outside of P2, spoilers by the way, I don't think Persona's dealt with a full scale apocalypse.

btw the smt game is IVA

I wan to drink from her fountain.

I was having a good time until I left the underground Giza and didn’t encounter the Matador and found out I need to spend more money on his dlc pack, haven’t played since. Oddly enough I didn’t get depressing vibes from the game, it’s just weird and has a comfy atmosphere about it. The high encounter rate can be fucked when you’re just trying to find the right path thoug.

How do I get into this game? It's really hard.

>>724037732
plan out your fusions and use buffs and debuffs

should i play this or digital devil saga

>>724038081
DDS mogs nocturne so hard it's not funny.

>>724038081
both

>>724021357 (OP)
u gay

>>724035443
It is alluded, you just have to intuit character dynamics.

The popular girl was used to thinking preferential treatment was her birthright, when she's ignored, intimidated and mutilated by things unconcerned with her shallow presumptions she doesn't dwell on whether vanity and vulnerability are things taken for granted and worth reconsidering, she just indulges her worst self because she's never been sat down and taught decency. It's like Shadows in Persona, except she becomes her own.

The poser shit head is similar, he wants to be as cool as the MC, that's why he forced himself into your friend circle and acts like it's a favor for you to know him, but lacking Demifiend's competence and sincerity does him no favors in regards to himself or with others, rather than being humbled he copes harder that everyone just needs to realize how much he doesn't care that they don't care about him, then they'll be sorry! And when he gains a sliver of insight that he wouldn't even be alive without your unconditional help, he just retorts being helpful without thanks is what you should do if you're really so great and his friend (reciprocating this is not up for the date due to his cognitive dissonance).

The teacher's deal is just being an armchair nihilist who grew bored of an uneventful and disappointing world and wanted to punish the mundanes she felt were responsible, until she realized she had no clue how meaningful normalcy was to someone as equally feeble minded like herself. Put on the spot she learns for all her whining she has no idea what an ideal world is. She just genocided everyone for nothing.

Hikawa's mostly a high functioning psychopath. He doesn't really have an arc, it's mostly you realizing his inner nobility was warped by contempt. Mainly he wants shit to make sense by any means necessary.
The journalist is his mirror, a carefree bro who gets shades of dickass once he gets a taste of power.

>>724021357 (OP)
Not if you get the hot teacher ending.

>>724036957
all bosses in Nocturne are kino.
They basically tell grinders to fuck off and learn the mechanics and counters for each boss fight.

SMT 3 has AMAZING models for its time, even today. A more than fair bargain for having slightly less demons.
Saying combat was good is just being wrong. Even today, it's good. No shit it's not the best since V has the benefit of being built on hindsight and previous games to upgrade on. It's still great in that regard.

Exploration is fine. The dungeons are the only thing that could be better, and even then, Nocturne's gameplay loop makes you forgive it.

V is absolute DOGSHIT in structure (open world slop, ubisoft towers, shit story, extremely easy and exploitable with dlc power). Nocturne and DDS are the only games where you have no Fatlus DLC power creep abuse, and DDS duology is very easy already baseline to begin with.

>>724038081
This, then DDS.
DDS is way easier and more accessible to casuals. it also focuses on story. purseowners will have an easier time.

>>724037732
physical build
fuse your demons
use buffs and debuffs

Its really fucked up how smt peaked with the 3ds. Strange journey, devil survivor, 4, apocalypse all peak in their own respective ways. ps2 smt games had their own merits, but I feel like the titles reached its zenith on that small little handheld. I still havent finished v but it has not kept my attention after the first play through, and im sure I wont be very happy with it even if I pick it back up after a year and a half of dropping it.

Still, I would really like to see sm2 to be remade. Or ported to the pc proper, at the very least.

>>724035443
I don't even disagree with anything in this post but I still love this game because the aesthetic and themes are cool as fuck.

>>724035443
people wank the shit out of smt just because it has good aesthetics

3 > SJ > DDS duology > 5 Vengeance > 2> 4 Final > 4 >>good games >> 1

>>724039721
DeSu is extremely overrated, grindy, and combat is whatever.

4A has a shit story, and is very easy with the buffs to light/dark and partner system. 4A story is also fine I guess, but it's not as impactful or memorable as Nocturne or SJ.

SJ is where it peaked. For gameplay, it's 3.
The only good thing V has going for it is gameplay, everything else is slop.

>>724038512
Basically it's social commentary that seems vague because it's at once blunt yet also not trying to beat you over the head by having a mascot character pause the game to explain the flaws of people.

I don't mean to stoke generational conflict, but really if you were around the 00s you would have picked up on what was being said in Nocturne and a bunch of other Japanese media with a similarly bleak scenario but pointed moral about someone being a vain or antisocial shit head not being exactly wrong about the issue, but not being right about the way forward.
.hack//G.U., Gantz, FLCL, Onani master Kurosawa, welcome to the NHK, Death Note, probably a bunch other I've suppressed.

>We know life can be unfair, we understand why you're upset when that affects you, but maybe making the worst parts of yourself the answer isn't helping.

All that said SMT1 still has the better storytelling since it doesn't try to suggest whether someone like Law Hero is wrong just for living well and being naive, nor if Chaos Hero is bad because of his hardships and desperation, it just hints their life conditions and consequences, leaving it up to you to decide if their ends were tragedies or due.

>>724039721
almost based but you said apocalypse was good

>>724039721
I liked SJ. and 2. it's classic SMT.

For not dungeon crawling on a 2D axis, 3 is peak. 4 had a cool world but the gameplay is dogwater and broken, so ill take DDS or Nocturne any day.

Vengeance is ruined by DLC, being "open world", and overall just being too easy and predictable in structure plus mediocre story.

>>724039924
not him
apocalypse story and characters was shit
i cannot even credit for the world. it's recycled from 4.
It has nice gameplay for its time for handheld. that's about it.
Most memorable thing about 4A was final boss and the Diamond Realm DLC.

i just remembered how overall trash this franchise is. yeah nocturne would still seem amazing 20 years later when it's set against a bunch of slop.
notice how only contrarians still think persona 1-3 are the best ones? yeah cause that franchise is actually good entry after good entry after good entry.

>>724037732
If you don't like dungeon crawling this game is not for you. Always fuse your demons into something better and hit those elemental weaknesses

>>724021357 (OP)
Yeah? Turns out the end of the world isn't a happy occasion.

>>724029312
>implying that leading an army of demons and exploring a post apocalypse wasteland fighting demons and higher entities to reshape the world to how i see fit isn't fun

>>724035443
V is shit outside of a few superbosses