Thread 724092131

So I just finished the game and I got something I want to ask... is Silent Hill only happening in people's head? There's nothing supernatural at all? No outside force? Hinako seems to have been on schizo fuel hallucinations since the beginning (partially due to drugs) and the whole conflict is that she's an adult and has to kill her inner child or vice-versa... I know the whole trend of monsters and people found in the fog is based on past traumas in previous entries, but here it seems like it's 100% in her head

>>724092131 (OP)
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patriarchy

The thing is, this series fucking sucks because it's never explained. Everybody online have wildly different ideas of what the fuck is actually happening across all games, and all of them are so fucking convinced their theories are correct but the truth is that they are just theories.

I bet not even the writers and developers know for sure, and they don't care, they just want to write a "le scary story :^)" and leave you thinking whether it makes any sense or not (it doesn't).

maybe. never played silent hill games, but seems like something that could happen

>>724092131 (OP)
>Unironically trying to discuss one of /v/'s most hated games of 2025
Not even Dustborn wasn't as disliked as SHf

>>724092131 (OP)
The moral of the story is men le bad!!

Kill your inner child? Oy gevalt! Just like the Frankfurt school intended.
(My nephew is on the Epstein list and my other nephew founded netflix LOLZ!)

>>724092393
>>724092468
Oh, I started the thread because when I played the previous games years ago I was sure that there was a supernatural element... but now I'm unsure

Especially since I've heard that the flower that the pills are made of also appears in the main silent hill games, further hinting towards hallucinations.

>>724092543
It's hated? Is it just (as far as I can read in this thread) the "patriarchy bad" message? I'm personally not that concerned because the events and culture happened 60+ years ago, so yeah it sucked then but it isn't like that commonly anymore.

Though I'm not a common /v/isitor, so I'm not aware of the board's mood desu

"all in le head" only happens in F and "muh trauma town" only happens in the second game
Silent Hill is full of monsters

>>724092131 (OP)
>I just finished the game
No you didn't.

>>724092131 (OP)
I never finished the game, but Silent Hill, outside of 1 (and even then the town seems to be mostly fine), only effects people who are targeted.
It's real to them, but no one else, they are essentially shoved into a side dimension where reality is more beholden to fear/the mind than anything else.

The good ending implies that there's some fume shit that are making people loopy.
I also don't see how the message is "men le bad" when her autistic friend is portrayed as a good guy besides the drug part and in the true ending Fox boy and Hinako agree to give each other some time until they are sure of their true feelings.
Dad was a cunt tho, no way to spin it elsewhere.

>>724093123
Ok, chatgpt

>>724092131 (OP)
Literary education is in shambles. People need to read more books or something. What "Silent Hill" literally is doesn't really matter.

>>724092131 (OP)
I might be remembering this wrong, but in one of the endings it's shown that Hinako's actions have actual consequences in the real Ebisugaoka.

>>724093686
Does it ever say that Shu is explicitly aware of the negative effects of the drugs? I just assumed he genuinely gave it to her with no greater malicious intent behind it thinking it would help.

>>724093580
Not really, as I understand the foggy town and the otherworld town both aren't the real town. It is in some kind of nightmare dimension, that's why you see giant holes etc. blocking off streets. How it interactions with the real town going on gets fucky the more you try to understand because different rules seem to apply to different people who gets transported into the foggy version. But apparently the town functions as normal while all this is happening, and in newspaper articles and notes you can see people talking about people who see monsters etc, so it seems whatever the fuck is happening ends up affecting some people but most of them remains unaffected. It's all deliberately fucky and never fully explained despite having like 10 games in the series.

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>>724093665
Alright, so I wasn't misremembering. True supernatural stuff does happen (but so far only in the OG town)

>>724093665
Wait, so they are transported into a side dimension, right? So what happens in the real world? Are they still there but people think the the protags are schizoing? Or whatever they do in the side world affects the main one, so if they get too violent people think that protags are going on a rampage? I feel like playing F erased what I knew of the other games.

>>724093994
Yeah, first ending when she's running through town we can hear people freaking out about her acting weird... plus also her murdering everyone at the wedding

>>724092131 (OP)
Silent Hills otherworld is Alessa and Walter Sullivans nightmares leaking into the real world. Silent Hill 2 and f are non canon/fanfiction.

>>724092131 (OP)
>is Silent Hill only happening in people's head?
No
>There's nothing supernatural at all?
Incorrect.
>No outside force?
Incorrect.

Now, SHF is not a Silent Hill game. It has NOTHING to do with the OG series.
It's 100% all in her head, either she forgot to eat his pills or DID eat his pills, and there's also a toxic gas leak apparently... depending on the ending.

>>724094382
There's no dimensions, nor transportations.
It's all physical projections ALTERING our world, our universe. Sometimes it's multiple people experiencing one alpha projection, sometimes multiple people all projecting smaller projections around them, which may also overlap.

The town also went to SHIT after SH1.

>>724092131 (OP)
There definitly some supernatural bullshit going on but exactly how much is up to interpretation. At the very least Kotoyuki (Hinako's fiance) is a member and head of a family who believes in occult stuff and practices rituals involving the fox god.

>>724093994
You talking about the one where the poisonous geysers start erupting? Which I guess is the water dragon awakening after she beats the fox?

>>724094582
This is what I'm talking about when I say everyone seem to have a thery on what is happening and they are so fucking sure their theory is right, when in fact you don't have a single fact to back any of this shit up, the best you have is some ambiguous notes or happenings that interpreted one way but can be interpreted several other thousands of ways so in conclusion, fuck you.

>>724094321
Ending 3 he says he gave her the drugs specifically in the hope that she'd hallucinate and talk with her inner self.

>>724092131 (OP)
It's 50/50.
There is more than enough clues to argue one way or the other... or both.
The aliens are 100% a fib though.

>>724094386
>Yeah, first ending when she's running through town we can hear people freaking out about her acting weird... plus also her murdering everyone at the wedding

It's not just that.
IIRC, in Shu's ending Hinako flees on her wedding day, causing Inari-sama to stop protecting the town from the geysers and their poisonous fumes

>>724094386
>Wait, so they are transported into a side dimension, right? So what happens in the real world?
the games go out of their way to never explain the real mechanics or how it works specifically. It's not really important either, imo.
These games are heavily based around Psychological horror and David Lynch. You aren't supposed to really understand the full grasp of the 'Otherside'.
I think I agree with >>724094767
They keep it ambiguous enough that you are meant to draw your own conclusions.

>>724094425
>either she forgot to eat his pills or DID eat his pills, and there's also a toxic gas leak apparently... depending on the ending.
considering that you need NOT to eat the pills to get the other endings (where it's revealed that you're actually 20 yo, not a kid anymore, and about to marry), I'd say taking them is the problem. Also the toxic gas probably did not help.

>>724094321
I think the issue comes from Hinako taking the pills more than once. The flower allows one to commune with the gods (strong hallucinogen), and Shu had the brillant idea to turn a one time experience into a multiple dose problem. Hinako had chronic headaches, so she definitely took more than one pill, and not just once in a while. Ending one has her chugging a lot of them and going on a psychotic rampage.

>>724094697
>You talking about the one where the poisonous geysers start erupting? Which I guess is the water dragon awakening after

Yep, that was it

>>724095130
I never thought that
I just thought the blue fox was fox mask's grandad (with the comment about drinking and all that) and never extend my reasoning further than this

I like to think the pills themselves are supernatural in nature rather than it just being some drug induced delirium.

>>724092131 (OP)
By finished the game I assume you mean NG
Just go to NG+ for the answer arc with more info on the supernatural lore

I don't know what the fuck is happening with F, but the town itself is heavily spiritual and possesses some sort of latent psychic/supernatural energy to it, and it is capable of generating it's own alternate reality. The Fog World and Otherworld you explore in game is not our reality, there are normal people living in the real Silent Hill. My understanding of it is that Alessa is basically a not-Carrie type character, a girl born with extremely powerful psychic abilities which amplified the town's nature even further, and after what happened to her in 1, it left this alternative reality, this projected spiritual world, scarred and fucked up for good. Harry in SH1 is essentially being subjected to the warped alternate reality of Silent Hill as fueled by Alessa's severely damaged psyche.

SH2 is basically a Gaiden style side story that showcases what happens if other mentally scarred people enter the town and are sucked into their own personally warped versions of that alternate hell. It isn't a "therapy town" as retard secondaries try to frame it, it isn't trying to help or punish the person experiencing it, it's just warped and changed by their own fucked up minds, like a mirror reflection being passed through a nightmare filter. James very briefly gets to see into both Eddie's and Angela's own reality too.

This effect can spread from the town to nearby locales like Ashvale (?) from SH4 (and Shepherd's Glen in Homecoming if you care about post Team Silent games).

Basically it's the holodeck from Star Trek but sentient, and if someone with sufficient mental baggage walks in, it starts malfunctioning, scanning their brain for inspiration and passing whatever it comes up with through a "Living Hell" filter.

>>724094401
Shut the fuck up, 4faggot retard. Walter is a complete joke and you simp for the worst Team Silent game because you're a contrarian.

>>724092131 (OP)
It's left somewhat ambiguous to what degree the events represent an abstraction of reality versus pure hallucination, and also whether there is a genuine supernatural element involved or not. There's plenty that supports the idea of a supernatural element being in play. You aren't going to get a definite answer though even if you get all the endings

>>724095986
>the Fog World and Otherworld you explore in game is not our reality

>hinako is actually severely ill like her mother (pic related)
>that's what hinako actually means when she says, she "doesn't want to end up like her mother"
>she rambles on and on about making her own choices on her own term, which the illness doesn't allow her to
>everybody talking about her as if she was already dead now making sense
>the red rot growing everywhere is the tumor spreading (in the dark shrine it's the red mist when she gets the intense headaches)
>shu just tries to heal her or at least ease her pain with the pills (for her "headaches")
>hinako's twin acts hostile towards her (pic related)
>shu's self-trial of the pills only caused meditative lucid dreams
>her delusions (caused both by the illness & the white claudia pills) intertwine, giving her lucid nightmares & interactions with her evil twin
>the game isn't about feminism in the end, but about fate
>the geysir is the true villain, poisoning the whole town
>the 'origami of fox prayers' alludes to how everybody except kotoyuki dies, because he is the only one who left the town and doesn't get poisoned
>girls disappearing from the town don't get 'spirited away to marry a fox', but lured by the rapist in the mountains and killed

actually the story is incredibly dark

>>724095986
Great post. I'd like to add a small detail that the reason Harry entered Alessa's nightmare was because of Cheryl, his daughter, who was like the avatar for Alessa. She is the one who wanted to go to Silent Hill, she was called there, not him. But it was his bond with his 'daughter' and his unshakable loyalty that pushed him through.

Basically in F, there are mythological Japanese deities at play who occupy the town. The story of the main characters is a type of kabuki theatre where these deities battle over the future of the town (the struggle over Hinako and her free will, her name is "baby bird")

The fog world seems to be a manifestation of the Mist Dragon, the evil deity of the town that manifests as a poisonous geyser. Hinako's wooden doll of red and white as well as Shu her partner represents the wood god deity who was the towns previous object of worship and Kotoyuki the fox man husband is the kyubi fox demon who is the current idol of the town, the clan is responsible for all kinds of young girls disappearances and countless tales of "divine revenge" and ritualistic killings.

There is even more spirituality and mythology at play in F compared to the previous games.

>>724092131 (OP)
in silent hill 1 depending on what ending you got you could assume it was all in the characters head, it was left to your interpretation same with SH2 specially because both games make references to drugs being produced and used in the town but then silent hill 3 canonized the plus ending in one meaning it was all real so at least for SH 1-4 its all real as for F since it has nothing to do with the original series you can once again interpreted as you wish

>>724097129
So what actually is the goal of the fox(is it even a fox in the first place or is the fox deity just how the formless supernatural entity haunting the town presents itself with the reality being that it's just some lovecraftian abomination?) with the first ending I assumed it wanted to corrupt the girls like Hinako and turn them into the same thing it is.

>>724093686
why are people calling the endings good, bad and true? where is the references for this none of them give me that impression all of them have both good and bad things

>>724097837
my interpretation is strictly realistic. the fox is not important. hinako says she would do anything to get away from home "even get kidnapped" so one of her delusions is about that.

>>724098094
the endings have specific names. they shouldn't have them, but here we are in modern gayming

>>724097129
That doesn't work because Shu takes the drug and also sees himself, so it isn't exclusive to Hinako
The note is most likely explaining how the effects of the drug are similar to the symptoms experienced by people with brain tumors, since the title is "occult phenomena"

>>724096763
I think that's just disjointed phrasing. Reality itself doesn't change, otherwise how the fuck do you explain the town itself still being functional and not a cordoned off zone patrolled by black ops government agents 24/7? The entire town transforming into a rust and blood hell while screaming twitching abominations start running around is the kind of thing that attracts public attention pretty quickly.

What Silent Hill is is whatever the developer that Konami outsourced it too wants it to be in that moment.

>>724098214
shu only had lucid dreams, nothing horrific. the pills are just a red herring for what is actually at play.

>>724092131 (OP)
>"The game is actually darker than it shown"
Really ?
>"women are treated no different than animal"
Of course, men bad lmao
But yea, let the zoomers and hags have their fun i guess
Hinako is pretty sexo though

>>724098325
Reality does change, otherwise the cult's objective doesn't work. It doesn't make sense for them to birth an evil god that can only exist in an alternate reality with a handful of people
The horror of the first game works because it's the otherworld invading the real world

>>724092131 (OP)
I haven't gotten all the endings but I'm pretty sure its a literal gas leak as well as hallucinogenic pills Hinako is taking. This game is separate from the rest of the series, which does involve actual demons.

People who say the drugs cause everything are retarded cause one of the endings literally requires you not take any and absolutely nothing changes about all the fucked up shit Hinako sees.

>>724092131 (OP)
It's never fully explained and inconsistent but it is happening. People like to bring up the SH3 line from Vincent saying "they look like monsters to you?" but he's obviously not implying they're just normal people that's retarded.

People do see the monsters other people see. Maria is a character who is explicitly created by Silent Hill and not an actual real human. You see Angela's monsters from James' perspective in SH2. You see Lisa get turned into a monster in SH1. Eileen, Henry and Walter all see monsters that aren't specific to them or are only directly related to the order as well as go into more than 1 different otherworld. Silent Hill is supernatural and has entities in it. It's not just 1 person being insane.

What's ambiguous is how much someone's mind and emotions actually influences the monsters or if there's like archetypes and they appear slightly different to different people.

The only thing i dont like so far is the lack of the flip side

Silent hill usually is divided up into 3 parts
Paradise, the resort quiet happy and secluded
Purgatory, the neglected town but you can still see other people
Hell, the broken down and destroyed with an abundance of monsters. A few personal "worlds" which was intresting

This seems to just be scary but in japan?
I havent finished my lets play vids
Can someone confirm?

>>724099182
>People who say the drugs cause everything are retarded cause one of the endings literally requires you not take any and absolutely nothing changes
She takes the pills no matter what, its a central part of the story. The default ending is just an overdose and psychotic episode.

>>724100024
>I havent finished my lets play vids
Kill yourself

>>724101283
Most of the game is Hinako reflecting on her memories on her wedding day. In ending 1 its implied that shes been taking the pills the whole time up to her wedding and ODs on them due to the panic her wedding is causing her. In every other ending she stopped taking the pills long before her wedding.

>>724101501
Watching people play is the cheeper option when your unsure of the game's quality
Not sure what to say senpai

>>724102932
The game doesn't have denuvo. You can just download it.

>>724104657
If he's watching lets plays he's probably unironically too stupid to pirate something with literally no DRM

>>724092131 (OP)
Sort of. Apparently depending on your mental constitution, you would see silent hill in a good way. Instead of monsters you’d see angels etc. but that was before silent hill expanded to being anywhere as opposed to just literally silent hill.

>>724092131 (OP)
Silent Hill 1-3 are really happening. Silent Hill 4 is all happening inside of Walter's dream world but affects the real world; people who die in his dream world die in real life. Silent Hill f takes place inside of Hinako's subconscious and the spirit world (Dark Shrines). the subconscious parts (or "Fog World" as the game calls it in the map UI) are influenced by real world events like the wedding and also the occult things happening to her (Dark Shrine) which are spiritual representations of the real world occult things happening to the real Hinako. she really is undergoing spiritual purification rituals in real life which are represented by the fox arm rituals in the Dark Shrine, they are a spiritual manfiestation of what's being done to her in the real world. it's also why the Dark Shrine version of Hinako is so pliant towards Kotoyuki, the real Hinako has been put under a love spell.

>>724092393
both the games and the developers have all explained this though. SH 1-3 are really happening. it's not all a dream, it's not a hallucination. it's explicitly the spirit world being physically manifested in the real world, shaped by people's subconscious thoughts depending on which game it is.

>>724093665
incorrect. that's something from the movies. the games don't work like this at all. several plot elements literally do not make sense if it's some other dimension, like Laura running around Silent Hill or Vincent talking about knowing about what life is like outside of the town. there is no dark rusty shit or snow or monsters until Harry arrives at the town with Cheryl.

>>724094321
no, he doesn't understand the spiritual side of what the drugs do. he thinks he's just scientifically talking to his inner subconscious and there's nothing else to it. it's how he's able to be manipulated by the doll into giving Hinako the drugs. he doesn't understand that it opens you up to possession or influence by spiritual beings.

>>724094382
there are not multiple dimensions. there's the real world and the nightmare (Otherworld). the nightmare is always dormant but during the dark segments it's manifested into the real world. the ritual performed on Alessa+the demon she was impreganted with+the spiritual power of the town is what creates the manifestations and nightmare. even after the events of SH1 there are lingering effects, enough for the events of the subsequent three games.

the articles you're referencing are mostly from SH2 and just show that Silent Hill was a place where paranormal things happened even before the events of SH1.

>>724094767
>Alessa (14 years old at the time) suffered from the burns inflicted upon her since the ritual that brought about the descent of God. In order to escape Dahlia's control, she calls out to Cheryl, her other self (7 years old at the time) to return. Due to the power of Alessa's thoughts, the town is transfigured into the otherworld.
> It's not me. This whole town... It's being invaded by the Otherworld. By a world of someone's nightmarish delusions come to life...
>Starting with the first game, the power that the town holds has intensified greatly. It has reached the point that those who hold darkness in their hearts are called to gather, and each of their unconscious minds is manifested.

1 and 3 are from the Book of Lost Memories which is all made up of developer commentary and 2 is Harry literally explaining what's happening near the end of SH1. it's all there, you're just stupid.

>>724095226
the issue is that she's also been given aglaophotis by the inari cult to purify her which is what those Sakuko and Rinko-like entities are. those two together are the primary ingredients for PTV which was the drug the cult in the first game was selling. Lisa eventually went crazy from taking it+all the crazy shit with Alessa, so you could view the fox clan stuff as comparable.

>>724095731
they are. Shu only gives them to her at the urging of the doll/tree god, and White Claudia canonically opens you up to spiritual/supernatural shit.

>>724095986
>The Fog World
Silent Hill f is the only game with a "Fog World" because it's the only game that's not really happening. SH1-3 are really happening, there's no "fog world" in those.

>It isn't a "therapy town" as retard secondaries try to frame it, it isn't trying to help or punish the person experiencing it
well Pyramid Head is, but otherwise yeah. people confuse PH's purpose as some kind of arbiter for "the town" because he's such a key monster. his entire purpose is to make James face the truth of what he did.

>>724098325
the reason he says that is that the previous times Harry goes to the Otherworld he can only enter/exit it by dreaming or waking up because it's not fully physical yet. by the final transition, it's fully manifesting into the real world. the reason no one notices/cares is because it was a ghost town by that point, the town's tourism business was failing because the cult was sabotaging any efforts to expand the town. in the 7 years since the ritual more and more people began to leave the town. even then, who would believe the people there that something like that happened? they'd be institutionalized. also because it's not that kind of story. it's inspired by Phantoms but it isn't Phantoms.

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