Thread 724162721

How you FIX Project Zomboid?

>>724162721 (OP)
>better controls
>tweak some stats
>multiplayer

>delete game
> play cataclysm bright nights (NOT the tranny infested main fork)
Simple as

>>724162721 (OP)
Legit just add multiplayer. Its a fun game. Not sure why autists are pretending like them adding brick laying or something ruined the game for them. Just don't lay bricks?

>>724162721 (OP)
>Over the shoulder camera

>>724162721 (OP)
You don't you play Vein instead

By turning it off

>>724162721 (OP)
Get rid of pottery, blacksmithing, animal husbandry, and the rest of the survival-crafting garbage introduced in Build 42. Focus on making the loop of killing zombies and looting buildings consistently fun and rewarding after the first week.

Me and my friend tried to play this game many times but we didn't get the game. We went into houses, looted and did that for 10 hours and died. Had to read books for 20 irl minutes etc

Insanely difficult to start building a base and stuff. Say skill diff but this game is not fun co-op. We are gonna try again next week. Do I have to change settings for co op to make this enjoyable? What playstyle should i choose and game mode?

>>724163085
>Get rid of pottery, blacksmithing, animal husbandry, and the rest of the survival-crafting garbage introduced in Build 42.
This also worries me, I always thought the games strong suit was exploring, looting and collecting. They're turning the game into a fucking farming simulator.

It needs a complete overhaul. They went too far on autism over gameplay. I don't want to track my fucking calories in a video game.

>>724162846
>just go from a 3d game that will always be a piece of shit because of the devs to a 2d game with zero animations but is superior in every way
Grim, can we just get a zomboid that doesn't fucking suck instead?

>>724162721 (OP)
Add npcs so it's not so lonely
No I'm not roleplaying with retards online

>>724162846
>Troons out of nowhere
Interesting, anything you'd like to share?

>>724163310
If you don't know, just keep it that way. Don't download the main branch

If they had added everything they promised like 10 fucking years ago like NPC survivors, that'd be a start.

They should have used TLOU camera and controls and a storyline.

>>724163085
>please remove features to a game they're confusing to me
I don't understand why you retards think this way. Its the same game with more features and that makes you upset. Explain why without being autistic in your response or you get no (you).

>>724163203
All that stuff is fine for when you play so long you start running out of things to loot. The problem is you never reach that point before getting bored.

>>724163618
Because instead of making the base game actually fun or interesting, they padded the "content" with stardew valley ripoff shit.

needs more queer poc characters

I told you to not be autistic in your response. No (you) for you.

>>724163618
It's a zombie game dumb nigga, who the fuck cares about breeding cows and smelting ore to ingots in a post apocalyptic zombie game set in the modern world. What's next, are they going to add in flint knapping to make spears like some stone age retard?

>>724163713
It's not fine when devs balance things around those mechanics. They will balance the calorie system around it. You MUST hunt, you MUST farm, you MUST have a home base to experience most of the new content.

Adjusting sandbox settings is not enough to offset this, I want rewarding exploration and rewarding combat. Which is another point of failure. The devs don't seem very fond of gun combat, which should be the standard for late game.

>>724163017
>Vein
is that a good game? might play it with the bros

Add fucking objectives

>>724164170
>I need to be told what to do
NPC

>>724163093
Just go into sandbox settings and tweak it.

Project Zomboid is meant to be an ultra realistic zombie survival simulator. If you can't survive PZ you probably wouldn't survive the real deal.

Game isnt terrible, but the devs really dont have much intuition about videogames at all. They added in all the tedious shit that isnt fun before they added in any of the actual interesting features. Coupled with the fact there is like 2 years between major updates and it all just reeks like shit.

>>724164040
>add in flint knapping to make spears like some stone age retard?
They should.
>who the fuck cares
It's a zombie survival simulator. Yes, I want to create my own Alexandria or Woodbury, make it sustainable with agriculture, smithing, metallurgy, et cetera.

Slap the shit out of the dev until he stops applying his anglo fanfiction on how complex and difficult it is to use a granny's first home defence pistol without prior experience

>>724164268
wdym? just go outside and gather branches, craft 200 spears, herd all the zombies into a giant conga line near a waist high fenceline and clear out a major city in a couple days

>>724164413
Walking dead after season 2 sucks shit, fuck you

>>724164040
>nigga like day be addin too many features n sheeeiiii is be like too much muh nigga mup da whup
Zoomers complaining a game has too many options will never stop confusing me.

>>724164413
>>724164521
>It's a twdnigger who wants to knit and tan leather in zomboid
Many such cases

>>724163618
>Its the same game with more features
More features != an improved game. Devs adding sheet backpacks and weapon blacksmithing circumvent the need to find these items in the world (i.e. finding a bag, finding a machete as a rare drop). This deemphasizes looting and exploration, which were always the gameplay core of Zomboid, and instead incentivizes watching green bars fill and grinding the new skills (alongside existing ones like Carpentry to make rain collectors before the water shutoff). "Just don't engage with the new mechanics" is a weak solution, and I shouldn't have to ignore intended mechanics to make the game fun and balanced.

as time moves on zombies start forming large hordes that travel between cells, more zombies come and go from the edges of the world borders
hostile npcs that appear months in
Pivot away from the books/ vhs tapes being the big important things for xp, and put an emphasis on doing something finding heavy objects and bringing them back to base for disassembly based xp (computers, cars, fresh cadavers, etc)
Boom fixed

>>724164521
They're mostly the same 'options' with different coats of paint.

>>724164624
you're responding to bored people who don't play the game at all, have zero interest in playing and will probably never play the game, but have fun being contrarians on the internet. you're wasting your time

>>724164624
>this deemphasizes looting and exploration
In your head it does, in practice it doesn't as you need to head out for more supplies and continue to check new areas as the ones you already looted run out. So you say you don't like brick laying. Yet when I say instead of brick laying you could do all those things you said you enjoy doing, your response is "that's a weak solution" is this the Twilight Zone? Are you even a real person? Are you some company's PR person getting upset Zomboid has more features than your game? You're trying to convince me the Earth is flat right now by saying a sandbox game should limit its players more because you personally don't like having the option to do more things.

>>724163618
>Explain why without being autistic
You're the one supporting autism dlc

>>724164884
I'm trans btw

It doesn't tell me what to do. No yellow paint. No cosmetics to buy. Shit game. Gonna go reinstall me some Fortnite.

>take game
>remove zombies
>limit area to small town
>add basic patrolling npcs
>give value to items
>add visibility/sound meter
>Project Thief

>be super autismo about muh realism
>but at the same time all the houses are almost completely empty
I can understand the food and medical supplies being looted but come on. Are you really telling me all the hammers, bottles, cups, pots, bags, saws, screwdrivers, etc were looted from every single house?

>fuck you the game should be loot eat sleep repeat
>fuck you the game should be about looting to build a sustainable base
What a strange dichotomy to fight over. The only real issue with the innawoods shit is pottery, how fucking retarded that is.

>>724165229
Week one mod with the zombie event turned off. There you go. The game has inflation so even working your job night and day you'll eventually have to resort to robbing the bank or grocery stores to survive.

special zombies, collectable items. DDA esque car mechanics, loads of guns and ammo and armors etc. maybe even a melee overhaul
basically stuff mods do but more refined and well integrated

Give me literally any fucking reason to do anything beyond the early game. The moment you have a base and some canned food it's over. There's nothing new except stupid meme crafting. Give me some fucking objectives, a story, literally ANYTHING to work towards.

But they won't, because
>Muh this is how you le died! Le epic grimdark survival death story! Add more crafting!

>b42 still doesn't have mp or npcs
>but it has le smelting and carpentry!
>you can make pots and glass too!
Very immersive. I hope they add crocheting and sewing and also maybe a painting activity, and bowling! Maybe they can also poach more modders who actually fix the game and add real content so lemmy can have them make more retarded useless shit no one asked for to ensure the game never fully releases

>>724164160
Yeah still new with some jank but it's super fun and ambitious check out their roadmap

literally the only part about b42 that appeals to me is the deerhead lake ranger station's upstairs kitchen area not having fucked up void-black tiles from the shitty roofing system b41 uses.

>>724162721 (OP)
Horde night-esque function to put pressure on bases.
Roaming hordes.
NPCs that range from solo survivors to groups that are either wandering, patrolling, fortifying their own bases, etc.
NPC quests and factions.
Less skill grinding but also more focus on character creation skills being important.

>>724162721 (OP)
>Make guns viable option again
They were pretty good for massive clean ups in 41 and outright useless in 42
>Fix calories calc
You shouldn't lose weight after eating 3 fucking whole chickens a day
>Add basic npcs to hang around your base
Muh narrative driven high iq npc is just a pipe dream
Make simple bots to tend your farm/animals and waste your food
Make them ask for random items like books or whatever to give some tards reason to explore too
>Zombie migration
Like how fucking hard is it to make a twd like hordes? This would make base protection important
>Make barricades and fortifications useful
Wasting hours of work just so you get 5 more minutes before zombies break through is stupid af
Just one or two zeds shouldn't be able to break through door and 4 fucking boards behind it like it's some kind of cardboard box

1. new engine, they are doing major engine rewrites 14 YEARS INTO DEVELOPMENT
2. get rid of the overly complex survivalcrafting shit. crafting a molotov is ok, crafting a stone axe is not
3. fix the god awful combat
4. npcs as originally envisioned

no incentive to finish it when they already have millions in dollars in cash.
if anything theres no competition. Someone should clone it. Make modding support easy and this game would have less than 1k players.

>>724166248
>they already have millions in dollars in cash.
>Someone should clone it.
recipe for a lawsuit

>>724166627
just add your own twist. They dont own isometric games for fucks sake.
Make CDDA but isometric or some shit.

>>724166627
Just steal their laptop (again).

>>724166751
>just add your own twist.
project rapture: its the same game but without zombies for a comfy post-rapture survival simulator as the last sinner in all of knox county
>>724166828
kek

just give it to people who dont suck ass

The worst part about all of this is that their pivot to crafting is that it's so inferior to "shoot guns and eat candy" style of gameplay

>>724162721 (OP)
I've gotten more entertainment out of reading lemmy's meltdowns than playing this overtuned piece of garbage
they spend more time scope creeping than actually fucking making fun game systems
it's more for sloptubers now than people who would actually play it

>>724164884
>a sandbox game should limit its players more because you personally don't like having the option to do more things
Not all the additions are bad, but the ones I've mentioned add little more than bloat and tedium. They don't introduce unique items as much as they add new, unnecessary ways to craft existing ones. I don't buy that the new systems don't shift focus away from scavenging and onto rural, off-the-grid living, since these additions are catered to little else besides an innawoods playstyle, which is something most players don't go for and don't enjoy. Shifting the game's focus onto survival-crafting alienates fans who want the long-standing looting and combat systems to be improved. It's okay if the devs wish to expand on this primal, self-sufficient playstyle; it's just that it isn't and has never been the main way to play, and that main way to play is currently being neglected. Given how underbaked Zomboid's late-game is, pottery, masonry and blacksmithing are far from what the devs should be focusing on. "Just ignore it" will always be a cop out because it shifts the onus onto the player to not engage with intended mechanics and to make the game fun for themselves.

Do something with zombies. Add new types, make hordes better, fucking let them drop basic loot.

>>724162721 (OP)
I would make the zombies rot so the player would have an end game to strive twoards. The idea is that they would start off as runniners but over time they rot, they get slower and weaker and eventually they rot away and the player just wins.

>>724163618
>I don't understand why you retards think this way. Its the same game with more features and that makes you upset. Explain why without being autistic in your response or you get no (you).
>Hmm should we fix combat or stealth, or perhaps fine tune zombies?
>NAH DUDE LETS ADD MORE GREEN BAR FILL UP TO THE GAME, THATS WHAT ZOMBOID REALLY NEEDS RIGHT NOW

>>724166076
>Horde night-esque function to put pressure on bases.
As in 7dtd-like raids where you have to defend your base or just directing a horde to wander by?
The former is super gay, the latter would be awesome if zombies didn't tard rage through your fortifications to avoid stepping five feet to the left

the issue is that the game tries to be realistic, yet at the same time expects you to act in a non-realistic manner
once you have cleared out a space for yourself, set up farmland and have a source of clean water there is zero reason to venture out and risk yourself instead of waiting out the zombie apocalypse
ten thousand zombies aren't suddenly going to mob this one single house in the middle of nowhere that may or may not have a single human inside
the game just falls apart after 30min which is why they're needlessly complicating it so you can't just act like how any other smart person would in such a scenario

>>724169252
It's almost like the entire zombie genre is creatively bankrupt
>Grab a metal rod
>Sharpen it
>Stand on thing 6+ feet tall
>Kill everything
>Rinse
>Repeat
Don't even get me started on how fucking gay and lame every movie/show/game is with the lol ninja assassin zombies
>Durrr maybe I should just.... Knock on a wall or metal object to draw any zombies in?
>No just go in without a single glance around bro!
Dead genre

Get rid of Lemmy

>>724162721 (OP)
reminder that they said NPCs were coming very soon in 2014 lol

I dunno, maybe add a fucking incentive to keep playing after you've made a base, like a fucking OBJECTIVE????

>>724169252
Increase the zombie's sence of smell so they're constantly after your ass, at the very least it should increase the chances of you getting attacked.

>>724164160
Way too early, just follow the development but not worth buying yet unless you just want to support the two devs.

>>724166076
>NPCs that range from solo survivors to groups that are either wandering, patrolling, fortifying their own bases, etc.
>NPC quests and factions
Reminder that a modder had already made this. And released it, and had it working. And was working on making a multiplayer server that included this mod, along with things like military patrols and checkpoints. This is the same modder who added boats, towing (the devs only added towing to the game after this modder added it first), lockpicking, the crashed car mod.

Then he got "hired" by the developers, abruptly stopped developing the mod and took it down. The grand reveal the developers had in stock for this talented modder?
A FISHING MINIGAME

>>724162721 (OP)
Kill the lead developer

>>724162721 (OP)
scrap it and start from beginning, it's like trying to build disneyland in india, kek

a new dev team ive had this shit wishlisted for a decade now

>>724166106
>just a pipe dream
One of the biggest never evers to have ever nevered. PZ just needs simple and robust AI without all the goofy Sims tier simulation frills. Friendlies, enemies, and a few tiers in between. Give them little personality/traits/agenda descriptors like in Mount and Blade so some interesting things could happen. Give it some polish, let you command them, let them command others, and then job done. Would also fix the green bar go up gameplay loop because you could assign an NPC to do the boring jobs.

>>724162721 (OP)
add lolis

Lower the weight of shit so you can carry more. They screech about muh realism, but in real life people would have a little cart or some shit they'd drag around with hundreds of pounds of shit in it and none of that is in the game so its not even realistic.

Remove tedious clunky shit. Add like a weightless toolbelt that you can add hand tools to as you find them. Its retarded that you have to waste several minutes wandering around you base looking in your storage containers for any given tool whenever you arbitrarily need it.

Also make player built shit invulnerable by default. You can already make an impervious base by simply putting it above the ground floor and destroying any stairs that lead to it. So from a balance point of view, that shit already exists. All zombies being able to destroy your shit accomplishes is destroying any reason to actually build a cool base rather than just take over the second floor of a building.

>>724162721 (OP)

Decided to finally play this and what a fucking drag.

Now I know the whole point is that it's about survival and resource management but but it's soo fucking boring while the controls are complete fucking garbage!!!FACT!!!

>>724173228
>wandering around you base looking in your storage containers for any given tool

Just keep all your tools in the same crate?

>make player built shit invulnerable by default

Turn it on in the sandbox options?

>>724162721 (OP)
NPCs, zombie wilderness. Honestly once you know how to survive and own yourself a home base there's nothing much to do unless be autistic about boring-ass chores. You just simply die of boredom.

>>724164516
Sucks shit? It's worse but it only really starts sucking bad after the Governor dies.

>>724162721 (OP)
>You can move now during melee attacks
>Add a dodge
>Infection is a buildup instead of an instakill. 10 bites, 5 lacerations or 2 bites kill you. Infection will slowly go down over time when you are not being hit.
>SPECIAL! INFECTED! Fast zombies, tentacle zombies, vomiter zombies, bloated fat zombies that emit deadly gas, small weak swarmer zombies, juggernaut zombies, dog furry zombies
>Horde destructor action!!!
>Nerf LE HECKIN REDDIT SWORD!!!
>Buff sledgehammer
>Play as a pig mode!!!

npcs
automation
there, I'll redownload your game and play it again for another 100 hrs

So to summarize this thread
>less focus on crafting, focus more on npcs
>add zombie migration so you will have to defend your base
>add storyline
It seems if the devs just worked on these three things the game would be alive again. Is Indie Stone full of niggers or something?

>>724162721 (OP)
I'd add more behavior and sounds to the zombies to make them feel more alive and spooky.
Have some of them get into small fights and arguments, grappling and growling and shoving until they inevitably forget about it and give up. Maybe have a small chance for one to kill the other
Make zombies occasionally groan incoherent words and sentence fragments at eachother.
In Louisville add the gentle roar of a distant crowd to the ambience. Make it clear you're in an infested city with 40,000 (realistically 600,000) zombies. Maybe have it rise and fall with the time of day to make it a little more unnerving and less annoying.

I think it needs some sort of actual progress or thing to work towards. It has this huge world and there's no incentive to go out and do anything with it.
>This is a story of how you died
Okay, I closed all the curtains and I'm standing in the corner of a house eating food and doing nothing. I win.
The game being a survival game with the idea of "You'll die, its just a matter of when" isn't a very fulfilling premise it feels like. Get tagged by a Zombie, run over.
What I think they should do is have events that progress and change things up, maybe Zombies don't respawn and instead new ones drift in, give you the feeling of actually clearing them out, have bandits start showing up after a while, and eventually military. Give something for the player to actually prepare for and get through. The game being designed around the whole "this is how you died" thing, while being grindy as fuck with all these skill levels is nonsense. If your character actually gets eaten or something, sure, but from the virus? Why not make it so you can actually beat the virus if you consume enough medication and treat the wound very well? Make it so when you get bit, your character now has something they have to fight for, a race against time to scavenge the stuff you need and make some risky moves for because its over if they don't.
Project Zomboid feels like its just a sandbox of Zombie related game ideas/concepts and not a fully focused game.

Remove all leveling from repetitive non-gameplay shit, like exercising. Watching green bars fill up is not enganging gameplay.

Remove all leveling from repetitive non-gameplay shit, like exercising. Watching green bars fill up is not enganging gameplay.

Start over

The obvious: NPCs, factions, quests.
But even more importantly, shift focus from basic bitch zombies (that went stale by 2010) to more mystical and/or sci-fi stuff, darkwood/cdda style.
Add proper events: A military raid occurs to retrieve the contents of a downed chopper.
Strange bullshit like one day all zombies around just gather in a huge circle and stand there laughing/crying, completely ignoring the player, then proceeding to kill and devour each other. Something withers all plant life around Muldraugh, trees are now covered in strange rust, nothing grows on your farm so you have to migrate or starve.
I would focus on things like these, instead of pottery and knitting.

>>724162721 (OP)
Sell it to competent devs. Literally the only fix

Fucking hate these retarded devs so much.