Thread 724211729

>they finally added hard lock-on
What happened to "hard lock-on won't work in NG"? Ready to admit you guys were always retarded?

Yes

I dont use it except for bosses and earlier NGs locked on bosses too.

>>724211729 (OP)
>Playing with hardlock when you're being attacked by multiple enemies at all times
Who does this?
Only for bosses sure

honestly they should've just had the camera from razor's edge
souls babbys are going to lock on in every fight and then bitch about "unfair ganks"

>>724211729 (OP)
Ninja Gaiden 4 is not a true Ninja Gaiden game. Do I see Itagaki's name on it? No I do not. Is this a Platinumslop game? Yes it is. The games core engine is not even the same thing as the previous games. Its a modern interpretation of a Ninja Gaiden game only. It has none of the soul of a real Ninja Gaiden.

>>724213520
>you

>>724213520
Explain the NES games then?

>>724213636
>>724213761
They are 2D games. You make no point here at all.

>>724213828
It's still Ninja Gaiden, stop being such a jaded fuck and learn to love new things. Seriously man, you have better things to bitch about that might actually warrant your attention and cause some actual change in the world.

>>724214321
>hurr they are still Ninja Gaiden durr

Your point isn't the point you think it was idiot. Clearly I was talking about the 3D games here considering this latest game is a fucking 3D game fag lmao.

When are you going to stop spamming this thread you fucking cretin.

>>724213828
Holy goalposts batman

>>724214856
In what way is this moving goalposts? Can you stupid ninjas actually fucking read and comprehend a post?

>>724213828
Ninja Gaiden is just a franchise. Just like how Kojima wanted to make a Silent Hill game. Just because Itagaki rebooted the series with 2 excellent installments doesnt mean the game is his. Even Hayubusa is a previously existing character that he just used.

At least Team Ninja and Platinum understand the gameplay foundation his team set up is the best one.

>>724214929
Its moving goalposts because those games are still installments in the franchise and you cant just decide that they dont count because now you want to limit yourself to arbitrary rules.

Only useful for bosses

wait, people are actually playing this flop?

>>724211729 (OP)
4 is just platinumslop, not an actual NG game

>>724215056
Where did I ever say it doesn't count you stupid fucking nigger? And I never even limited myself to arbitrary rules you dumb ass fucking troll. Your retarded ass simiply can't understand the point of the original post or you are just a Microsoft paid shill for the game.

>Try to reset camera like in the old games
>Lock on to an enemy every time
I hate this shit.

What Ninja Gaiden needs isnt a better story but better characters, DMC has shit story too but it's has characters who interact with each other, Ryu and Yakumo are boring cause they don't feel like real people, Ninjas protect humanity from evil but why? What compels Ryu to save humanity? Would Ryu even be sad if Ayane died? I don't mean storytelling like NG3 but rather like DMC3 where the characters in the game actually interact with eachother

>>724214993
I never even said its his series you dumb fuck. Yes I know he was responsible for rebooting the series faggot. I played the games including even the NES games. He's the one that is responsible for 3D Ninja Gaiden as we know it. The games up to this point take after his games. Including even this current one even though its a retarded inferior clone of Ninja Gaiden. Even Ninja Gaiden 3 is closer in spirit and soul to the Itagaki games then this latest trash and that is sad since Ninja gaiden 3 is an abysmal game he also had nothing to do with.

I’m playing black ningga gaiden 2 ligma balls and while I am enjoying it Ryu controls like shit and the camera is fucking annoying. I wish I had a hard lock on.

>>724215225
Hey, why dont you over-react like a overstimulated retard some more. I dont think we were quite able to tell that you were upset.

Is there a reason Ryu barely features in this game? Like if you want to make an OC just make an original game. I like Ryu’s iconic outfit. This new guy looks lame and gay.

>>724215270
I dont understand why they dont use more of the story and characters that they already have set up through previous NG games as well as DOA.

Throw Hayate in as a formidable rival or focus on Ayane's time with Genra and the Mugen Tenshin clan. Momiji was a decent protege character they couldve wrote in more and fans love her. Hell, I even liked Yaiba more than the new guy.

>>724215728
Because the devs dont have enough confidence in making an actual Ninja Gaiden game nor making a new IP. So its just a new lame character theyre forcing on us with a familiar IP that will bring in more players.

>>724215589
Say what you want about NG2 but its easily got the worst camera in the entire franchise.

>>724215270
Ryu's lack of character is his character. He's not some quippy meme spouting faggot nor should he ever be. He has to be a super serious no nonsense type of guy otherwise he fails badly as a ninja. As for the rest of the characters maybe you got a point there but if people want to force story on to these games at the cost of it having the proper tone or gameplay they can fuck off with that shit. This seems to me to be a series that too many people just don't really get nor want to understand. They want it to be in their image. This is why its never been great after Itagaki left. He knew how to make good Ninja Gaiden games.

I beat the game on normal, should I try hard?

>>724216021
>He's not some quippy meme spouting faggot nor should he ever be.
He sometimes throws out a "do I sound cool, mom" quip after defeating a boss, most notable in Ninja Gaiden 2. That's the maximum dialogue Ryu should ever have. Razor's Edge trying to set him up as some sort of anti-hero because he murders was the most braindead story beat I've ever seen; it was like trying to argue Artyom as an asshole for killing nazis and stalinists.

who cares, this shit flopped

>>724215728
Not to outshine Yakumo or Ryu. Given that the writer for NG4 is from Platinum I think they wanted to avoid having a Bayo 3 situation happen. You would most likely have Ryu get wrecked at every turn to build up Yakumo or have Yakumo be a jobber like how Viola was in Bayo 3. Going the DMC4 route might suck but given the other options I think it was the smartest one.

>>724216793
>not to outshine
Ryu loses to Yakumo.
"h-he was just testing Yakumo"
he lost. It was as humiliating to see as Dante getting beaten up by Nero in DMC4
"i-in cutscene Dante still won, he was just playing with him."
he lost.

>>724216585
yeah, play every difficulty

>>724211729 (OP)
this game doesn't play like ninja gaiden. not at all.
it plays like bayonetta.

>>724216612
Minor mocking and humiliations to his enemies is fine as long as its rare since one of his primary motives as a character was revenge. So he clearly has some darkness to his character or flaws. But he also knows he needs to be serious and always takes his situations extremely seriously. The third game is indeed shit and its story should be considered non-canon. The day he starts quipping or showing more effeminate traits is the day they killed him for good.

>>724217071
it's nothing like bayo

I'm watching this Japanese Vtuber fight the first boss on normal difficulty and she is getting filtered bros...

>chapter 6

What is the fuck were they thinking here with these enemy groupings? Shit is unplayable.

>Two threads
>Not a single gameplay clip
Kill yourselves.

>>724213520
Real Ninja Gaiden was on the NES, not 3Dshit

>>724213636
This but unironically

>>724216950
If he was in the game more he would be shitting on Yakumo left and right, having two fights with Yakumo is the perfect amount. The real loser in NG4 is Kagachi, bastard has no screentime and should have filled the rival role to Yakumo.

>>724217276
There’s like three katana demons, two airborne spear demons, three ranged lanterns, a guy spitting poison projectiles, three insect shield enemies all at once.

>>724217417
Don't worry about Kagachi, he's 'armless.

how the FUCK are you supposed to target the fucking kite guys in this god damn purgatory

>>724215270
This. You need the characters to actually be on screen and doing stuff.

In 4, there’s fucking 3 different characters on the comms. Saori and Umi are interchangeable and the raven Ninja and Masaki are too.

>>724217206
it's like a lot of platinum games
dial a combo, low standard of polish, lazy and low quality recycling of animations, shallow copies of DMC modular moves, cheap feeling weightless combat, perfect dodge, dodge offset, lockon, over-emphasis on shitty platinum gimmicks, screen clutter.

Sure feel like the bayo games to me.. and other garbage like MGR with the magnetic combat that has you teleport right to the target by pressing attack.

>>724217641
Lol I just stopped at the same point after beating the big fight and boss of chapter 1. My impressions so far are that I have to be more precise with my movement, which means having some awareness of where each enemy is, what they want to do, reading the indicators pointing to stuff offscreen, etc.
Then just going after the kites one by one. But I should also go into the training mode and figure out how to actually use the fucking bloodraven because it might have a move that helps with airborne enemies.

>>724217641
if this was NG 1,2,3 basic shuriken to stop them (doesn't do shit in 4)
Bow, Windmill Shuriiken or insendiaries to kill them.

they ruined projectiles and took out the aiming mechanics in this game so I just see people jump at them and mash while trying not to fall into pits. it looks stupid.

It's not a recreation of NG1 or NG2 but in a lot of the ways that matter most NG2 is also very different from the first (Sigma 2 less so, but certainly the original NG2 and 2 Black are). It's one thing to dislike NG4, but as someone that likes every game in the series save for NG3/RE I'm not sure what people mean when they say it doesn't play like Ninja Gaiden.

>>724218139
>and 2 Black are
2 black is basically sigma 2 dude.
unless you're playing the modded version the difficulty is basically the same as S2, there's just missing content.

>>724217641
grapple to the walls and just attack, it will automatically target them

>>724217743
>dial a combo, low standard of polish, lazy and low quality recycling of animations, shallow copies of DMC modular moves, cheap feeling weightless combat, perfect dodge, dodge offset, lockon, over-emphasis on shitty platinum gimmicks, screen clutter.
nothing about this is like bayo except dodge offset, they even disable the perfect dodge on NSIC (bayo 2 and 3 don't count)

>>724217743
>it's like a lot of platinum games
>dial a combo
out of all things to list

>>724218283
Except for the enemy counts and dismemberment rates and the bosses, sure. I'm aware that its core it's using Sigma 2 as its base, but the tweaks are pretty important and were apparent even before the patches.

>>724217743
>shallow copies of DMC modular moves
you mean...combos? DMC didn't invent those and the only reason people associate those 2 hack n slash games is /v/'s retarded "cuhrayzee" phase
just because something looks neat doesn't necessarily translate to rewarding gameplay

>>724217976
>Shurikens don't do shit
They're for combo extensions, if you want to deal damage, use the Bloodraven shurikens.

The limited blocking with 3+ aggressive enemies on screen just doesn’t work. Or maybe there’s some parry mechanics the game hasn’t clued me in on.

>>724218668
There are perfect blocks and parries, but they tend to be more useful for bosses than mob encounters. Even on normal the game is fast-paced and punishing enough that trying to rely on parries or perfect blocks isn't worth it, and on hard and especially Master Ninja it's a death sentence to even try. They're very useful mechanics for bosses, though.

>>724218139
Well NG4 is clearly made from platinums engine and they made no attempt to recreate any physics or mechanics from team ninja faithfully.
-the fundamental movement
-the jumps
-the gravity
-the wall runs
-the missing feeling of weight
-the speeds, accelerations, frictions.
-the state specific behaviors that are not there anymore

It all "feels" different because objectively everything is programed wrong.
it would only feel like ninja gaiden if platinum could be assed to look at the team ninja code and spend time replicating the physics and feel.

>>724218548
>for the enemy counts
unchanged from sigma 2
>and dismemberment rates
unchanged from sigma 2
>and the bosses
unchanged from sigma 2

>>724218897
(You)

>>724218921
got what I need

>>724218668
They ruined the way guard works and by extension the very core of ninja gaiden combat (guard breaks, grabs, guard reset, enemy AI that changes behavior when you're guarding ,ect) because they wanted to throw in the perfect dodge garbage from platinum slop.
you can just cheese it by mashing guard, don't feel guilty doing it, it's not like the game is respectable anyway.

>>724218668
You have a lot of leeway to battle out of those situations. I mean if you clash one attack you can do that followup that fucks everybody up. Dodge at the right time, now you've got a bunch of space.
The game definitely expects you to move around as much as you can.

>>724216950
you sound like a massive faggot

>>724218668
They are useful but it takes a long time to get used to using them at the right time or reflexively pressing Y when you get an unexpected perfect block or parry. I haven't had much time in MN yet but I have been thinking about
>bloodraven move to guard break > GT to isolate from a group > parry and counter that one guy > this drops an essence > kill for the second essence > start UT chain.
Have to try it out but given the size of the arenas I think it's possible to do this with relative consistency.

>>724214856
anyone moving goalposts here is you. we all know he was talking about the 3D games. You're being a fucking retard because you don't want to engage with the point.

>>724219717
>we all know he was talking about the 3D games
how are we supposed to know this? That's bad postdesign buddy

>>724213636
you're a retard. the nes games are not even action games. they're for a completely different audience of retro platformers.
the fact you need to use something as shitty and limited as a nes title to defend the modern distaster that is NG4 is pathetic. get out of this thread.

>>724213520
What do I lose by not giving a fuck about this? Cause I haven't played other PlatinumGames games and this one is totally sick. If there's some other cool shit you want to recommend I'll check it out after.

>>724219856
>how are we supposed to know this?
have an IQ over 60

What is the point of 2 Black? All it has going for it is the new model for Sonia. You can play the exact same game with more content and without the insane size on your disc and lower system requirements with the same mods available in sigma 2.

>>724219921
you get insta banned from 4chan if you do

>>724219856
>Do I see itagakis name on it
It was right in front of you retard.

We are also talking about Ninja Gaiden 4, not ragebound. So we're talking about the 3D titles.

pedantic fucking retards like you trolling semantics need to get the fuck out of these damn threads. There is a time for fun, but we are trying to get the the core of why NG4 plays differently than Itigakis style.

>>724219881
NG4 is Platinum's best game so there's nowhere to go but down. Their other games are not bad though, definitely worth trying Bayonetta and Metal Gear Rising.

>>724219969
I really hate the particle effects and lighting in 2 black as well.
it doesn't have proper transparency either since it's deffered slop, it has dithered garbage. a lot of things are downgraded like hair looks so ugly.
unfortunately due to UE4 being more accessible more modding work has been done to NG2B than and more things have been fixed than in NG2 Sigma. there is still no perfect version.

>>724220128
Yeah that was my conclusion exactly lol. I also have NG2B but I was thinking about what other games like this I want to try. Definitely DMC1 (I've beatened 3), Razor's Edge, that's pretty much all I can think of.

>>724220083
>>Do I see itagakis name on it
>It was right in front of you retard.
Did Gaki alone make NG? Figures

>>724220128
I'd put Transformers Devastation over Metal Gear Rising, honestly.

>>724220329
Yeah, you're still fucking doing it. Get the fuck out of here faggot. I'm not going to try to be exact for your retarded ass. You have enough contexts clues. get the fuck out of here.

>>724219860
>you're a retard. the nes games are not even action games
>genre platforming action
youalrightm8?

>>724220348
Unfortunately I never played it. Maybe I should just pirate it

>you can guillotine throw in the air
I've spent almost the whole game just punting dudes to their death and now I can do that and throw another person alongside them

>>724220348
Devastion is another platinum game marred by laziness and atrocious work ethic.
the game does not have proper air combos. instead, just like bayonetta, they recycled ground combo animations and just rotated the feet down a bit. it looks like pure shit.
seeing a truck drive on thin air also looks really bad.

You really stat to hate that shitty company when you realize a lot of indie games have more refinement and effort put into them than platinum games.