Thread 724542648

>Does literally nothing wrong in your'e path
How do you respond without sounding mad?

>>724542648 (OP)
Fuck you killing Gustave was wrong.

>>724543202
Gustave was never alive. The death of a fictional painting NPC like Gustave has exactly the same amount of moral weight as killing an enemy NPC in a video game or writing a fictional story where a fictional character dies.

>>724542648 (OP)
He actually did plenty wrong, but /v/'s yet to understand that having good intentions doesn't mean you can't fuck things up in execution.

>>724543202
He didn't kill Gustave bro.

>>724542648 (OP)
Redditnoir Dessendreddit from reddit: the game

>>724542648 (OP)
Destroy all his paintings

>>724542648 (OP)
FAMILY

>>724543372
Who the fuck is that then?

>>724542648 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YxaDe4fdBvM

>>724543202
Not saving Gustave was wrong. Verso's fault.

>>724543501
Reblanc

>>724543505
>jewtube sharts

>>724543505
god the music is incredible

>>724543501
Did you not finish the game?

The Paintress made fake reproductions of her real family from outside the painting as soulless NPC stooges. Gustave was killed by the painted NPC based on the appearance of her husband. Meanwhile her "real" husband was stuck in the form of "The Curator" at the time that Gustave died

also, in case you missed it, the real Verso died before the game starts and the one in the game is a soulless NPC who was programmed badly and went rogue

>>724542648 (OP)
He was based.

>>724543661
Yeah i don't care i'm still mad

>>724543757
Sirene's music made me stop and watch the dancers. Ludokino indeed.

Verso's ending is the most normie/reddit ending ever written.

>>724543757
https://youtu.be/bTAlomrlDvo?si=y0-s_STHMIf-GgJq
This fucking song is never going to leave my head.

aaaaaaAAAAAA
A MAELLA A LUMINÉ
DOSÉMI VERSO
A CLÉA A DANÉ
RENOIR INA DAOKO

Ô SONATA ET FUTUR
PEINDRA CLAIR OBSCUR
Ô SONATA ET FUTUR
PEINDRA CLAIR OBSCUR

>>724544273
Don't care. She has the best theme. Une vie a reddit has nothing on CHADtress.

>>724543757
best dungeon of the entire game.

>>724544065
>steeled strikes + parries in you'r path
Heh. Nothing personnel, kid.

>>724544065
Agreed. It's a good ending on the surface, until you start thinking about it.
Because what Verso did was to force a crippled and traumatized girl to go back to her family that's borderline toxic and dysfunctional against her will and then dodged all responsibility for this act by deciding to kill himself. Thanks, asshole.

>>724544191
everything felt like it was building up to a great climax but then we got served a "lol it's a fake world"

>>724544393
Better than letting her kill herself. She'll get over it.

>>724544273
She's a woman so expected

>>724544315
I love how you can hear bits and pieces of Aline in main Paintress theme
So good

>>724544471
Cold turkeying an addiction is a death sentence you heartless bastard

He committed genocide, which is wrong.

>B-but the painting people aren't real!

Writer said they are, word of God says they have souls. It's genocide.

>>724544431
Usually "it was all a dream" type stuff is bad writing but I think it's fine in Expedition 33 since there are a lot of pretty explicate hints about what's going on, and there were too many things that just didn't add up for the game to end after act 2.

>>724544471
Due to the time dilation, she gets to easily live out a full lifetime. Maybe multiple lifetimes, even. Seems like a pretty good deal to me.

>>724544635
yeah but it's not real, checkmate athiest

>>724544273
Imagine how good that chestussy would feel.

>>724544635
She's already dying of PAIDS in the epilogue cutscene which can't be much more than a decade later. She'll last like 50 years max. Instead she could live out dozens of lifetimes in other paintings by just occasionally visiting.

>>724544471
So she'll just kill herself later. Because Renoir forgot to actually give Alicia a good reason to go back to life she doesn't want to live, because he fails to take her perspective into account.
He only has that one bullshit "but you'll die otherwise" argument, which isn't an argument for Alicia. Because she couldn't give two fucks about what happens to her in "real life" and in the canvas, she still has around 50-60 years of life left, so that doesn't apply.
>b-but her family
What family? Her real family ditched her (with her mother making her a scapegoat) when she needed them the most, and the only people that had given her the emotional care and support she needed, are in the canvas that her real life father is actively trying to destroy. She has no obligation to her real life family.

>>724544065
If you're a feminist you side with Aline/Maelle
If you're a gigachad real man you side with Renoir/Verso

>>724544991
But she doesn't want to live multiple lifetimes. She wants to live one, but with the people she loves.

>>724545225
And she could do that if she was reasonable and agreed to visit the painting occasionally. Instead, she forced Renoir to destroy it.

>>724545381
No, nobody forced Renoir to do anything. He alone decided to pick the most violent and extreme option possible.

>>724545497
What other option did he have aside from letting his wife and later his daughter kill themselves?

>>724545596
I dunno, maybe TALK TO THEM and seek a compromise?
He didn't even try to talk to Alicia, he just assumed she's going to do what she's told and when she told him to eat shit, he immediately became violent and started throwing monsters at her. Without even trying to understand where she's coming from. There were other choices outside of extremes.

>>724545164
>ghost of verso spends decades trying to get out from under the thumb of his mother
>as soon as he succeeds, the game asks you "would you like to put verso under the thumb of his sister instead?"

>>724545750
We never see 67 years ago, so we don't know, but knowing him, I'd bet he tried talking to Aline first. After that, he was tired and just wanted to be done with it, so while I agree he should have talked to Alicia, I get why he didn't at first. He did still talk to her before and after the fight.

>>724542648 (OP)
STOP
>QUOTING
PAH PAH

>>724545938
>He did still talk to her before and after the fight.
But at that point it was too late, because has squandered all the goodwill he had with Alicia beforehand. Also, when Alicia asked why he can't just listen to her arguments, he just goes "because you are stupid and I know better" which didn't really improve Alicia's opinion of him. So, no, he not once tried to empathize with her and he only backs off once Alicia beats him so hard he has no other choice but to relent. And at this point Alicia is so done with him, she just wants him to fuck off and stop bothering her.

>>724546216

Alicia is still a dumb child and has shown clear addict tendency towards the painting.

>I want to stay. I like it here.
>I don't want to stay. I don't like it here.
>*millions die in the process*

>>724546216
>But at that point it was too late
I agree, but I really don't see Alicia agreeing to leave anyway. He probably knew that too since he'd been following the expedition and seen her get close to Gustave, Lune, Sciel and Verso. And again, he was tired so he probably wasn't thinking straight. He probably figured that if he erased Lumiere Alicia wouldn't have an attachment anymore and would agree to leave and they'd be out within a few hours. After 67 years seeing the end in sight like that can give you tunnel vision.

I skipped every cutscene. Why are there 3 of him

>>724546485
And Renoir is a dumb old man who can't even talk to his own child.
There is a REASON she doesn't want to go back to her family, but Renoir just prefers to deal with surface-level problems without getting to the bottom of things.
She doesn't want to go back, because in real life she's a cripple and thinks her family HATES HER, which means she'll be stuck alone with her disability. And Renoir instead of showing her this won't the case, just tells her to eat shit and do as she's told. Which kinda proved her point.

I chose Verso ending because Alicia is my favorite character.

>>724546657
>but I really don't see Alicia agreeing to leave anyway
I do, but Renoir would need to have a much better argument. And he had none, he just assumed she'll listen to him for some reason.
And Alicia flat out says to Verso what the problem is: she's terrified what her life is going to look like outside of the painting, with her being a disfigured cripple and her mother and sister treating her like a punching bag. And a father that claims he loves her, but who doesn't even bother to listen to her.
It was a simple transactional deal - what do you offer me in this "real" world that I don't have here?

I chose Verso ending because i felt really fucking sorry for Renoir and fake Verso

>>724546747
His sheer basedness is too much to be contained in just one version of him. There must be multiple of him to prevent the universe from simply ceasing to exist due to his infinite levels of basedness.

>>724547114
The only way I could see Alicia agreeing to leave is if she can keep visiting the painting, but then Aline would just enter it again in her infinite retardation.

>One of the best storylines in gaming
>Discussion always dominated by the last-minute shoehorned in 'moral dilemma' ending that made no sense because its presented as a hard choice when one of the two options is a mass-genocide and all the characters we like die.

I'm mad about it. Up until the very end I honestly didn't think we were ever meant to think Renoir had a point because it never indicates that the painted characters are anything less than real, sentient beings. It's not a proper moral question because all the debate just ends up being over whether or not the people are real, because no-one could seriously support Verso's ending if it means an actual genocide.

>>724545156
>Her real family ditched her
I agree, but both Renoir and Clea had good reasons. Aline is the one who ditched them all first.
>with her mother making her a scapegoat
She does blame Alicia, but the way I see it is it's more like an automatic subconscious reaction. She still loves her as a mother would.
>She has no obligation to her real life family
Spoken like a true Aliciaredditor, daddy issues and everything.

>>724547197
>>724547114
>Multiple ways the conflict could be resolved peacefully with only mild compromise from all sides
>1 retarded boomer woman ruins everything by being a suicidally selfish cunt
What's so special about E33 is that despite the fantastical elements, it still feels so true-to-life.

>>724542648 (OP)
>Wants to wipe out an entire civilization due to family drama.

He's just Verso with an even more selfish reason.

>>724543332
>Gustave was never alive.
LITERALLY directly debunked by the developers themselves, because so many retards kept claiming "hurr durr the people of the painting aren't real."

>>724547256
>one of the two options is a mass-genocide
False. What makes this game interesting is the fact that the mass genocide already happened, and the options are
>Bring them back, even if they're doomed to die again in the future.
or
>They're already dead, so prevent extra suffering by mot bringing them back and letting the family start healing.
It also has the extra layer of discussion that the game calls into doubt if they'll even be the same when brought back or just copies.

He didn't do anything wrong. He was just frustrated. He knows logically what the fix is but people aren't behaving logically in this situation because its just fucked from soup to nuts.

>>724547197
Nah, I guess if the Dessendre family showed Alicia 200% of care and support (IMO they should've done to begin with after Verso's death, because that's what a healthy family should do), she might actually reconsider staying in the painting. But they haven't. I don't think is has even dawned on them for a second that their youngest daughter is now a PTSD-stricken cripple and needs their attention. They did the exact opposite of what they should be doing.
That's why I think Verso's ending is horseshit. Not because I disagree with it on principle, but in this scenario, the Dessendres are such a bunch of irresponsible, toxic assholes I am legit afraid to put Alicia under their care.
And I am not buying the "but they were hurting too and weren't thinking straight", because as a parent, your duty is to take care of your children that hurt as much as you, if not more. And in Alicia's case, she hurt way more than Aline or Renoir could even imagine.

>>724547697
Not to mention there's apparently an ongoing war with the Writers, so Alicia is actually more in risk of being killed in the "real" world than in the painting.

>>724547629
Anyone wouldn't commit genocide for his family deserves to go extinct.

>>724543332
I'm not a complete faggot, so instead of babbling about "muh media literacy" I'm just gonna call you a retard

Retard

>>724547694
>He didn't do anything wrong
He did plenty wrong
>He was just frustrated.
He's supposed to be the adult in the room.
>He knows logically what the fix is but people aren't behaving logically in this situation
And yet he fails to acknowledge that his logic might be faulty, because he doesn't listen to any contrasting arguments, which turns the whole situation into a royal clusterfuck.

>>724547775
Only he didn't do it for his family. It's signaled multiple times throughout the story he's a control freak.

>>724547697
Aline is the only one that applies to, and even then it's kind of excusable because she was blinded by grief. Renoir and Clea were trying to save her. When Gustave dies and Maelle has the out of body experience, the first thing we hear Renoir say is "My sweet child, you were supposed to stay home", so Renoir probably was there for her before it became obvious Aline wasn't going to leave and forced him to go get her. To me it seems like he always planned on supporting her after Aline was safe.

>>724547690
True for the Lumiere people, but Lune, Sciel and Monoco are alive, they all die in that ending. And what about the Gestrals and Esquie? My problem is that the debate is one of definitions, not of morality, because we're just not given the necessary information. Because you're right in that imo there's no moral obligation to bring people back to life if you have the power to do so, and that's already a more interesting moral question than what the actual choice at the end wants to do. It's just not nearly as compelling to me as everything in the game up to that point, to each their own though.

>>724547942
That sounds like projection. To me, he just seemed like a loving father.

>>724548019
A loving father that dragged his family into a war.

>>724547256
>last-minute shoehorned in 'moral dilemma' ending
This ruined the game for me. I thought this was the least interesting and most boring part and completely destroyed the narrative.

>>724547998
>Lune, Sciel
Fair point. They're what makes it a choice instead of obvious.
>Monoco and Esquie
They're willing to die for their friend. They completely accept what's coming.
>Gestrals and Grandis
Fair point again, but they're honestly kind of retarded, especially the Gestrals, so I don't think they'd even notice it. Plus, they were also created by Verso, so I don't think they'd mind too much.

If the people of the painting are "real" why is giving Maelle godhood over them all a good thing? She would literally be dictator of Verso's canvas. Maybe if she didn't like someone or a lot of people she would just gommage them, who is going to stop her? And if someone like Renoir did try to stop her it would just be war again like the last 67 years

>>724548046
Are you talking about the writers or the canvas business? Because neither was his fault.

>>724547975
But then he doesn't push Alicia out of the canvas, even though the opportunity presents iself, but continues to use her as a foot soldier against Aline. And once Alicia does what he wanted her to do, only THEN he tries to push her out, with an excuse that she's been there too long and it's dangerous.
And whose fault is it, motherfucker? You literally used your own daughter as a child soldier and then tried to discard her when she was no longer needed.

>>724548243
This is a good point. Think sbout Gustave for example. Knowing what you do about him, do you think he'd accept Maelle killing herself in the canvas? I don't see any reality where he would. This means that either no one told him the truth or Maelle tweaked him when she brought him back to be ok with it. And I also don't see Lune, Sciel or Verso not telling him, especially if he asks, which means either Gustave or Lune, Sciel and Verso, or all of them aren't themselves anymore.

>>724544315
finally someone said it. I've literally had her boss theme on loop in my head for 3 straight days. It's so deflating that everyone seems to think Un vie a t'aimer is like the greatest track ever when it's not even in the top 10 for its own game.

>>724542648 (OP)
True
WAAAA DADDY NO WAAAAAA the game lmao

>>724547942
IMO he's just fighting for an *idea* of a family rather than for the family he has. Because he really doesn't seem to care what his family actualky wants and needs, because he's convinced he already knows best.

>>724548348
>But then he doesn't push Alicia out of the canvas
I'm almost certain he would've if he could've. Him and Aline were basically locked in tug-of-war for 67 years. If either of them tried to focus on anything else, the other would likely win.
>continues to use her as a foot soldier against Aline
He literally tells her to "just stay put"

>>724548505
>If either of them tried to focus on anything else, the other would likely win.
Huh? Dude, he literally brings Alicia back once Aline pushes her out through P!Renoir.
So, Renoir didn't want his daughter to lose herself in the painting, yet forcibly kept her in the painting because she was useful to him. What an utalitarian asshole.

>>724548460
>he really doesn't seem to care what his family actualky wants and needs
That's because his family wants and needs to die. No decent father would let that happen.
>he's convinced he already knows best.
When you family is trying to kill themselves and you're trying to stop it, yes, you do know best.

>>724548646
>he literally brings Alicia back
I figured that was just Alicia subconsciously or consciously doing that herself or something. I don't think it's stated who did that.
>forcibly kept her in the painting because she was useful to him
Again. He literally tells her to stay put in that very scene. At the rate it was going, he had a slight edge due to Cleas help and was going to beat Aline anyway in 33 years. He didn't need Alicias help.

>>724548690
Well, a decent father would listen and try to understand why his family wants to stay in the painting. He can't even be bothered to and as a result he keeps antagonizing people he's trying to help with his "I know better than you what your problem is" nonsense.

>>724543332
You think that you are so smart, kek.

>>724548809
He probably did try that with Aline. He doesn't seem the type to jump straight to destroying an entire city before trying to talk.
>his "I know better than you what your problem is" nonsense.
His problem is the exact same. Verso was his son too.

>>724548646
Why did Aline bother to turn Alicia into Maelle for 16 years when she entered the canvas if she could just have P!Renoir push her back out again? Clea even said "congratulations, you're one of Aline's charactes now". Alicia literally entered the canvas to help Renoir

>>724548805
It was actually Renoir, Aline says so.
Also, he was literally chilling in the expedition camp all this time and was fine with Alicia taking her fight to the Paintress. That's not what "stay put" means. He didn't even try to stop her, because she was useful to him, but then does a surprised Pikachu face when his daughter tells him she's staying, because she started to care about the canvas people.

>>724548410
Same here. Feels nice to not be alone with that.

>>724548935
I don't think Aline even realized Alicia IS in the painting until she met her "face to face" near the end of Chapter 1.

>>724548928
>He doesn't seem the type to jump straight to destroying an entire city before trying to talk.
Well, Clea claims he's absolutely the type. So if he was as pushy with Aline as he was with Alicia, then no wonder Aline threw is ass under the monolith for 67 years.

>>724548968
>It was actually Renoir, Aline says so.
Where was this stated? I just looked up the dialogue for that scene and didn't see anything like that.
>Also, he was literally chilling in the expedition camp
Aline was also in the manor and keeping her fake family alive. Point is there was a status quo that would lead to him winning eventually, and trying to divert from that too much would be too risky.
>was fine with Alicia taking her fight to the Paintress
Again, I don't think he could stop her. Trying to force her out would likely let Aline win, and I don't think he can talk as The Curator, nor transform into a human. Even if he could, she'd just think he was pRenoir and not listen and attack

>>724549020
Aline captured Alicia like 10 seconds after she entered the painting with her chroma and turned her into Maelle

>>724543757
why did Renoir give no tits to his idealized wife representation?

>>724549259
>Trying to force her out would likely let Aline win
Alicia as Maelle was a non-factor. At that point she was just a random NPC no different from Lune or Sciel. The Expedition won because of the Chroma Converter and the Paintress being too weak to fight and not because Maelle was with them.

>>724542648 (OP)
>Dude wants to save his wife from basically magic drugs.
>Le bad guy.

>>724549286
It wasn't Aline per se, but the chroma of the painting, and I don't think Aline was even aware of what's going on. At least that's how I understand it.
My theory is that Alicia subconsciously repainted herself into Maelle, that is for all intents and purposes Alicia's Mary Sue self insert.

>>724542648 (OP)
i liked that he was visible pissed that his painted version was such a retard

>>724549456
Hell is paved with good intentions.

>>724543332
you're a coward because if you chose to believe they were real, you'd have to actually make a hard choice, so you cope and say they aren't so that in your own mind you're the only one following kantian ethics. You read the statement "life keeps forcing us to make hard choices" 3 times and thought "no this one was easy for me everyone else is just dumb". You're worse than dumb because being dumb isn't a choice.

>>724549401
>Alicia as Maelle was a non-factor
Maybe, but Alicia as Alicia isn't. Trying to force her out would be going toe to toe with another painter. Even if Alicia isn't particularly skilled, trying to force her out would be hard enough that Aline would win.

sex with Alicia

Tell him his old.

>>724549387
I don't think the Axons were meant to be idealized versions of the family. More like Renoirs interpretations of their personality. The whole idea of "idealized versions" of real people goes against Renoirs philosophy of "See things as they are, not how you want them to be"

>>724549573
His painted version was based though, just like him. I feel like he was more pissed about Aline basically cheating on him with a fake gigachad version of him.

Verso x Clea
or
Verso x Alicia?

>>724549651
But Maelle didn't even know she was Alicia. And Aline (through pRenoir) essentially pushed her out of the canvas without any issue and only an intervention from Renoir stopped her.

>>724549875
Me X Clea and Alicia.
Verso can play the piano in the corner.

>>724549785
I like that both Clea and Alicia get pissed off at their respective axons, because they feel Renoir missed the point.

>>724549925
She was pushed into that weird place half between the actual canvas and reality where the ending choice takes place. She was still physically in the canvas. Maelle didn't know she was Alicia, but Alicia was probably half sentient there and pushed herself back. Basically, you can push Maelle out, but then Alicia is still in the painting and will just go back as Maelle. And again, I don't remember where it's stated that Renoir pushed her back.

>>724550092
It also hits close to home for Verso to the point he immediately realizes Visages/The Mask Keeper was supposed to be him. Probably means Renoir understood his son the best. I kinda wish we got to see Alines reaction to Sirene aside from just nonverbally fighting her.

>>724550124
It's pretty clear in the dialogue between Aline and Renoir. She gets mad at him and asks "what are you doing, you know she shouldn't be here".

>>724550248
>I kinda wish we got to see Alines reaction to Sirene aside from just nonverbally fighting her.
I mean, given that Aline immediately zeroes in on the Sirene first is a pretty dead giveaway what she thinks about her axon.

>>724550275
That's just her being surprised at Alicia being there and immediately blaming Renoir. He clearly didn't want her to be there, or he would've asked her as backup from the start. Again, he literally says she was supposed to stay home. The reason she's there is that Clea got tired of waiting for Renoir to win and wanted to speed it up so he could help her against the writers.

>>724550363
Could be, but Sirene was also healing Renoir so she's the obvious strategic target. I wish we got to hear her actual thoughts like with Verso and Alicia.

>>724550436
The joke is that Clea could've just entered the canvas herself and that would be a much more efficient way of handling things, if efficiency was on Clea's mind. But I think she herself was just making excuses to avoid confronting her parents.

>>724542648 (OP)
He killed millions.

>>724550575
Could be, or she figured it would still take a couple real life hours and thought she was needed elsewhere faster. Or maybe there was a real risk that Aline would die or be crippled in let's say 20 canvas years and she needed to be out sooner than that.

>>724542648 (OP)
This guy does the equivalent of permanently taking away your computer/internet/phone under pretext of you wasting away in front of a screen so yeah I would be pretty mad and would never have an appropriate response. He was right.

You've made her life miserable.
How do you feel about this, anons?

>>724550902
He does the equivalent of nuking new york because his wife has a drug problem.

>>724550902
The issue is that I'll just find myself a new phone to play on. Because my actual issue was not addressed, he just took care of the symptom that's easily replscable.

>>724550969
she'll get over it

>>724543332
Reddit trannies REALLY get mad over the “painting people aren’t real,their lives dont matter since they’re fake” TRUKE. Ironic since Redditors love abortion though. ;”)

>>724551003
And then it turns out it solved fuck all, because his wife just found herself a new dealer.

>>724544393
She literally deserves it. Worst person I’ve seen I’ve fiction. Cope troon>>724544536
Dilate your rot pocket,kike faggot. You don’t belong here.

>>724551003
It's more like burning her heroin stash and killing the dealer, even though the heroin happens to be sentient.

>>724544576
Reddit faggots crying about genocide of fake people but supporting abortion is hilarious. I love how you emotionally effeminate FAGGOTS out yourselves. Get the fuck off this site.

>>724543757
so what was lunes deal here anyway

>>724551048
It's more like that phone had the only copy of a picture of her dead son that she was staring at 24/7. No other phone will be the same.

>>724545164
>do what i want or youre not a real man

>>724551307
And then she pulls out another heroin stash just to spite him.
Seriously, I am convinced Aline in the finale went back to the painting not because she wanted to help Alicia or anything, but to simply piss off Renoir.

>>724551405
At this point I don't care about the photo, I am just doing this to piss off the guy who took the original phone away from me.

>>724543501
>constantly told to shut up or speak up or hurry up or stop being a coward
>at first glance of a real battle he freezes up like a lil bitch meanwhile all the strong woman around him are scrambling and fighting to survive
>after waking up from being knocked down from said battle the first though to cross his faggot mind is “imma kill myself like the weak cuck bitch faggot that I am”
>doesnt even bother looking for maelle
>meanwhile all the strong woman survive with no problem. sciel is even having a blast at the brush people arena
>constantly picked on for his inadequacies and weaknesses
>dies
LMAO! tell me if this isnt some shit only a cuck faggot with the aid of a woman could conjure up

>>724551232
I support Versos ending, but trying to deny that the painted people are real is almost as stupid as supporting Alicias ending. The game never tries to make you question if they're real. In acts 1 and 2 they're presented as real beyond a doubt. Even the devs said that they're meant to be real and consider the fact that people debate that a failing of the game.
Versos ending doesn't need this argument to be the better one and you're just giving Aliciafags more ammo and making Versochads look stupid.

>>724551661
for those who cum after

>>724551480
Except no other heroin stash will be the same because the previous stash was made of the ashes of her dead son.
>not because she wanted to help Alicia or anything, but to simply piss off Renoir
I don't think so. The look she gives to Alicia seems like she's there to help. And she leaves voluntarily afterwards. She could have stayed there to die, but doesn't.

>>724551661
Ah, I see the resident schizo has arrived.

>>724552030
>schizo
is any of that a lie?

Verso's a clever snake oil saleseman, who keeps making rash decisions at everybody's expense and then dodges responsibility for those decisions.
Even in the end he made a decision for Alicia and then dodged responsibility by killing himself, so if it turns out he was wrong, it's Alicia that's going to feel the consequences of his decision. He claims it was "his sacrifice", even those he was never sacrificing anything of value to him, unlike Alicia and the other canvas people.
Yeah, I don't like Verso.

>>724552273
Yes. All of it. No, I will not elaborate. Play the game first.

>>724552897
unfortunately I did have the displeasure of playing this turd. thats my screenshot bro. You cant refute any of that since its 100% true. I am not making anything anything up. feel free to point out any lies, although I know that you can’t and won’t since once again, its all true.

>>724542648 (OP)
The ending choice + your thoughts on Renoir are the greatest filter for sociopaths and people who will most likely develop feelings for AI during their lives
>h-he's a genocide! he wants control!
>my fellow painted party is just as real as you and me!
>maelle just wants to be happy!

>>724543339
What would you have done better? Before you say "just talk bro lmao" understand that you are talking to two lying, desperate and manipulative women in grief who will do and say ANYTHING to get him off their backs

>>724553204
Same energy as putting on a dumb outfit in Elden Ring (or any other RPG really) and saying the game is for fags.

>>724553543
yea I figured a faggot who enjoys e33 such as yourself would also be a disingenuous nigger.

>>724553439
First and formost I wouldn't immediately assume they are lying and manipulative, because that's dismissive of the larger problem. And that just signal you don't care to help them, you just want them to your bidding and quickly sweep the problem under the rug.

>>724553718
Fucking false. Renoir already went through it 67 years ago and he's seeing the exact same signs with Alicia (which are confirmed by verso and by Alicia herself when she got called out)
They're addicts because of grief, and that's clear as day. "I trust what she taught me" he says, while seeing for almost 70 years how she's doing the complete opposite (and how alicia wants to do the same)
Also facing reality = sweeping a problem under the rug lmao. You people are absolute sociopaths

>>724553718
stop talking to yourself while using chat gpt
its as obvious as fuck bro

>>724553834
Renoir is projecting his own fears onto everybody else.
Also, go ahead, try to pull the same shit Renoir pulled of your wife/gf and see how quickly she files for a divorce.

>>724553374
Like I said here >>724551732
You don't need to deny that the painted people are real for Versos ending to make sense. It just make Versochads look stupid.

>>724553997
Ah yes, the fear of losing his wife and daughter to a poisonous addiction lmao what a fucking retard

>>724554096
I can deny them. There are hierarchies to existence and the game itself plays you for that. You believe everything happens in a "real" world until the end of act 2 twist, then you absolutely change your perception about lumiere and its inhabitants. They may have feelings and they may be sentient, but they 100% don't have any kind of priority to actual human beings

>>724554206
That's a fair perspective I guess. But if you admit that they
>have feelings and they may be sentient
then why are they worth less than "real" people? At that point the only difference is that one is made of flesh and one of paint. I personally think Lumiere has a right to exist, but I also think Renoir was right because that's what any man would do for his family.

>>724554097
That's not as big of a gotcha card as you think it is, because Renoir still has no fucking idea how to help them, even though he behaves like he's the smartest guy in the room. He literally fucked up everything there was to fuck up, actively made the conflict worse and he only barely succeeded because of outside intervention. And if you pick Maelle's ending, he actually fails miserably.
Just because he had good intentions doesn't mean he isn't a rash idiot that is way over his head and no plan how to proceed.
>huh, if my wife and both daughters don't actually want to listen to me, maybe there is a problem with my methods?
>nah, they are the ones that are stupid

>>724554594
So if you have a family member that's drinking himself to death you should just let them do it if you're not a certified psychiatrist?
What kind of argument is that?

>>724554895
No, it's not an either-or situation. I would try to find a different solution, because that method of "my way or highway" that I am stubbornly stuck with is clearly not working. But that would require a modicum of self-reflection and Renoir doesn't have that.

>>724555084
You assume he started fighting with her immediately? That he didn't try talking her out of it at first?

>>724555084
it's this shit ahead. In this story, the "drunkard" Alicia was NOT going to leave the painting willingly and we knownthis because we she tells us and we see it in her ending and her Father knows this because he's her father and knows her better than some random anon trying to make a point. End of story. There is no perfect solution in this specific scenario the story depicts and you must make a tough decision. If you refuse to accept that then I'm sorry but you just missed the entire fucking point.

>>724555439
Well, he immediately picked a fight with Alicia for no fucking reason, because she dared to disagree with him and Clea says he just keeps picking fights over having tough conversations, so I assume he did the same with Aline.

>>724555564
He didn't, he calmly explained the situation to her and rejected her retarded argument.
He just went through the exact same shit with the mom and Maelle was perfectly aware of that.

>>724555564
Also it's Maelle who's picking the fight with him if anything.

>>724555501
Alicia is not going to leave the painting, because Renoir gave her no reason to. It's as simple as that. He picked the most confrontational route he could, didn't bother to present one good argument as to why Alicia should even returned home, tried to bruteforce the issue and when it became clear his extreme solution it's not working, he gave up and left. Father of the year.

>>724551359
it was the last know location of her parent's expedition

>>724556023
Or maybe she wouldn't leave because she just couldn't let go of the painting. You don't know any of this. You're just making shit up to fit your POV. The game guves us no reason to believe there was anything that could be done or said to convince her to leave. All we're shown is a heavy implication that she's emotionally dependent on this artificial life. This isnall so silly and so besides the point of the story.

>>724542648 (OP)
I'm still not playing this chinkslop.

>>724555949
>and rejected her retarded argument.
Which means he picked the confrontation. Because Alicia's argument wasn't retarded. "Why should I return home" is a perfectly valid question. Why should she return home, to her life as a cripple and to the family that keeps bullying her when she can stay here and have a normal life with people that love and care for her. "You'll die in real world" is not an argument, because that's not Alicia's problem anymore.

>>724556405
>The game guves us no reason to believe there was anything that could be done or said to convince her to leave.
Because neither Renoir nor Verso never tried anything else outside of the most extreme of solutions, so it's natural they didn't work.

>>724555949
If your daughter comes to you and goes "dad, I have a problem" and you go "your problem is retarded, now be a good girl and do as I say", don't be surprised your daughter won't in fact do as you say.

>>724557134
You are my daughter now.

>>724547673
Idk Gustave kept repeating "For those who come after" which is in fact a hidden message aiming at people touched by grief, especially the Dessendre family.
Same for Lune catchphrase, it's what you are supposed to do when you are losing somone dear yo your heart.

I wonder if those characters aren't there only to illustrate how you are supposed to act wheb you encounter a loss in your life.

>>724547998
>What about Esquie ?
Esquie symbolizes a pschologist that is here to comfort you in giref, he never trully answer to any of the characters, he makes them answering the questions themselves. His presence can comfort the characters but he will never do the task for them, that's also why there is that metaphore with those 3 stones and even with them he won't do the job for them. At least it's how i see that character. That also why i liked him, because i understood really early his role in the game and why he is so happy on the world map when the ambiance is really sad.

>>724556516
Because it's a lie no matter how hard she copes. It's a fake world that at that point only exists to cater to her.
And yes, the sister is a cunt but dad and mom clearly care for her and she owes them caring for them back, something that some self-centred cunts have problems understanding.
Her mother needs her right now but she'd rather close her eyes and have her fake npc characters suck her dick.

>>724557134
More like I finally got my wife on detox and then my retarded daughter starts taking the same drug as if she wasn't aware of the effect it had on her mom.

>>724556693
so like I said: the game gives us no reason to believe there was anything that could be done or said to convince her to leave. You're imagining this completely fabricated alternate version of the story in which things happen a certain way that's completely unsupported by the story. I could just as easily say that if Renoir tried to be kind or whatever the fuck you're imagining the solution would be, she would respond by doing the worm or whatever. Neither mine or your headcannon would be any more or less supported by the story. You are completely misguided in trying to fix and judge a story by imposing on it a fantasy that would undo its' entire reason for existence if it were realized. Not to mention it's an incredibly naive and ignorant way of looking at people and the world.

>>724555564
>he immediately picked a fight with Alicia
Only because he was tired from 67 years of fighting Aline 24/7 and wasn't thinking straight. He had tunnel vision because he saw the end and them going home only a few hours away.

>>724556516
>the family that keeps bullying her
It's pretty clear to me that they love her and each other. You're seeing them in the middle of the worst moment of their lives so they might not show that too well, but once they can begin healing (which can only happen in Versos ending) they'll go back to normal.

>>724556693
>neither Renoir nor Verso never tried anything else outside of the most extreme of solutions
The game isn't really clear enough about this for you to say that as a fact. There's 67+ years that happened before we even start the game. There's no reason Renoir would immediately jump to nuking Lumiere with the Fracture. It's probable he visited Aline multiple times in the years before and tried to get through to her. At the very least he would've tried talking to her once. Verso likely saw that didn't work and that's why he doesn't try anything else either. Or maybe he did too and we just didn't see it.

>>724559150
Aline loves Alicia so much, she blamed her for everything that happened instead if supporting her like a mother should.
There is so much lingering resentment in this family I don't see them healing anytime soon. If only because they are incapable of talking to one another.

>>724558768
>Only because he was tired from 67 years of fighting Aline 24/7 and wasn't thinking straight
And yet, he's supposed to be the adult in the room.

>>724556440
At least be accurate and call it frogslop. Also, your loss. Easily the best game this year and doesn't have a lot of competition for game of the decade.

>>724542648 (OP)
If the people of the painting matter, then he's worthless and the Dessendres are villains. If the painted people don't matter, then 99% of the story is worthless. Take your pick.

>>724559681
He made one mistake. If not for Alicia being retarded, that wouldn't even have mattered.

>>724559610
>Aline loves Alicia so much, she blamed her for everything that happened instead if supporting her like a mother should.
I interpreted that as a subconscious blame she can't control, not actual hatred. If she did hate her, why even create pAlicia? She could have easily pretended the fire killed Alicia instead of Verso. Instead, she wanted to include Alicia in her idealized perfect family.

>>724559934
Well, he's the one who loves lecturing others about responsibility and not making illogical decisions and yet he keeps making the same mistakes. I guess that's why Aline told him to eat shit and die.

>>724543202
I wonder why retards who clearly haven't finished the game still decide to spoil themselves on /vee/

>>724560124
>If she did hate her, why even create pAlicia?
Out of spite, so that she has a scapegoat to blame. Because I assume Aline is *very* spiteful.

>>724560168
>keeps
He only made that mistake once. He did still try to listen to Alicia before and after his fight.
>I guess that's why Aline told him to eat shit and die
In the heat of the moment. Look at Versos ending. Does she really look like she hates him there?

>silk
>song

>>724550969
I'll marry her and take care of her.

Too many god damn wizards in this game.

>>724560248
Why not just pretend the fire killed her and she got what she deserved? Also, there's Alines journal entry, which says "The person I cannot be around is Alicia", which sounds like she wants to be around her, definitely not like she hates her. It also talks about how Alicias scars reflect Alines pain back at her. Seems to me like she blames herself for letting Alicia be manipulated by the writers and causing Verso to die.

>>724559740
chinks will never make a good game.
every single screenshot that's posted looks disgusting.
you are a dumb jeet so you can't tell.
but white men who are invested in vidya as a medium can see the disgusting UE default color palette, the grimy textures, those goofy hair physics, etc.
it's gross and I don't play slop.

>>724560736
>chinks will never make a good game.
Correct. Not sure how that's relevant though. This game was made by White French people.
>every single screenshot that's posted looks disgusting.
You haven't seen any then.
>you are a dumb jeet so you can't tell.
Nope. I'm White. You're brown so the artistic value of the games visuals flies right over your head.
>but white men
Why didn't you capitalize White? That's like the number 1 sign of a brownoid on the internet.
>disgusting UE default color palette
That being? The green and blue of Spring Meadows? Or the and colorful corals in Flying Waters? Perhaps the red autumn trees in the Ancient sanctuary? Or the rainy grey of Stone Wave Cliffs? Maybe the orange sunset of Forgotten Battlefield? The white snow of Monoco's Station? Surely if you actually played the game you'd know all these areas and what they look like by name.
>I don't play slop
Neither do I. Name the last game you played.

>>724560248
>>724560725
Remember that in the game, we see them all at their worst, rock bottom. Doesn't mean that's who they usually are, they're all reeling and coping poorly.

>>724551661
>IMG_1947.jpg

>>724550969
ahahahahaha is this a real screenshot from the game what the fuckkkkkk

>>724551359
She was a musician and after a lifelong burnout of chinky parents forcing her to get A+s she wanted to chill and do music for a while and sirene tempted her with that

>>724544393
She'll be alright. So will you.

>>724561707
>This game was made by White
no
>You haven't seen any
every screenshot in this thread is disgusting.
>the artistic value
nope.
>Why didn't you capitalize White
because this isn't formal fucking writing you nigger, you think that memorizing textbook grammar rules makes you a native english speaker? you will always stand out.
>That being?
people who actually play video games have played UE games, specifically lazy UE games, and they are familiar with the creepy color palette and ugly effects that are used in such games.
>Surely if you actually played the game
of course I haven't, why would I? I don't play chinkslop.
>Name the last game you played.
Baldur's Gate

>>724545750
Aline would never talk, from the beginning, we know this from the journals. She decided to kill herself in the canvas. Same with Alicia, the first thing she says to Renoir is "this is my home now." You can cope, you may seethe, but Renoir had precisely two choices: destroy the canvas or let his wife and daughter die in it. That's it. That's explicit from the game. You can invent headcanons about impossible conversations all you want.

>>724553204
>IMG_1951

>>724562386
What's so bad about that picture? The only issue I can see is the hair in front of the painting on the left being slightly wonky.

>>724562709
So you really are the Baldur’s Gate schizo latching onto another game. Miraculous, I never thought you’d give up the crusade. You should really do more research on more games to establish a tenuous link to china.

>>724562529
yes, but instead of getting mindcontrolled by temptation she somehow mindcontrols sirene into just dying for lulz

>>724547256
We know from Maelle's ending that she doesn't restore Lumiere anyways, so it's not a question of "save the lumierens" or not. They were always, always doomed. They're tragic figures.

>>724548460
>>724548809
Two members of your family are actively trying to kill themselves. You stop that, first, then you talk when they're no longer an immediate danger to themselves. Anything else is ridiculous, the ramblings of someone who's never had family in a dire situation.
>listen and try to understand why his family wants to stay in the painting
He knows why. Aline would rather die deluded and numb than face the unspeakable grief/deal with the fact that her daughter killed her son. That's an unimaginable scenario, but she can try and face it down with her family, or die. She selfishly (but arguably, understandably) chose die. Alicia has the same motivation as Aline, only stronger, because she bears culpability in the situation. She's the daughter that killed the son. There's no mystery as to why the women are doing this. They're in a heightened emotional state after an unthinkable tragedy. They need to huddle together as a family, grieve, and talk when they're in a better state of mind. Not kill themselves.

Retard.

>>724547409
Nope, Renoir abandoned his kids just the same as Aline did.

>>724554594
>because Renoir still has no fucking idea how to help them
They're addicted to something that there is only ONE of in the entire world. Verso's canvas is uniquely dangerous to them because a piece of his soul is in it. It my wife as addicted to opium and all the opium in the world existed in a pile in my basement, I think I'd be reasonably confident that torching the pile would stop her from using opium anymore.

>>724562709
>no
Yes. See picrel.
>every screenshot in this thread is disgusting.
>nope.
So you're just a seething brownoid incapable of recognizing beauty. Got it.
>you think that memorizing textbook grammar rules makes you a native english speaker
It's a matter of respect. I respect my race for being superior to subhumans like you and show that by capitalizing White. You think not capitalizing White means you're better than us.
>the creepy color palette
Meaning? I listed the first half a dozen areas in the game, each with completely unique color palettes. There's at least a dozen more areas in the game with their own color palettes. Which of those is the default UE color palette?
>of course I haven't, why would I? I don't play chinkslop.
Neither do I. So why haven't you played this game? Why do you care so much about it?
>Baldur's Gate
Thank you.

>724563131
surely this is bait. There's no way people are this braindead, right?

>>724556023
Let's see what actually happens in the game.

Maelle: Papa!
Renoir: Alicia. You’re safe. I thought I told you to stay home.
Maelle: Technically my body’s at home.
Renoir: Some of Aline’s finest work. I regret that it caused you so much pain. What Aline did was unfair, to you most of all. Please, accept the Dessendre family’s apologies. I know it seems absurd to offer oblivion as recompense, but perhaps that’s the outcome we both desire.
Maelle: What—
Renoir: I’m proud of you. Getting your mother out of the Canvas was not easy. But once we erase the Canvas, we won’t have to worry anymore.
Maelle: But she’s home now, why—
Renoir: You know your mother. Verso painted this Canvas, it contains a piece of his soul. She’ll never willingly part with it.
Maelle: No.
Renoir: For the sake of the living, we must part with the dead.
Maelle: No, Papa, see, I hid the canvas—
Renoir: She will always find it. This is our only opportunity, while she’s too sick from her prolonged descent into the canvas to return.
Maelle: But— No… Papa, Papa, please. This is Verso’s only Canvas. You can’t destroy the last piece of him that we have. This is my home now! You can’t just decide—
Renoir: Your home? After all that with your mother, you want to stay?
Maelle: You know how little remains of my life. Outside.
Renoir: Alicia. You’ll die. You’ve already been here longer than you should.
Maelle: But—
Renoir: No. Look at me, I said no. I am not letting my daughter risk her life. Alicia.
Maelle: I’m not Maman. I’m not going to lose myself if I stay!
Renoir: I know full well you will. And I am not doing this again.
Maelle: No! Papa, what are you—
Renoir: It’s time to go home.
Esquie: Mes amis!
Monoco: All aboard!
Maelle: Verso, come on. Come on! I can see them.

Renoir doesn't get upset until Alicia says "this is my home." Shes decided she's staying before she even talks to him.

>>724561910
Maellefags are filled with bitterness toward their own actual families that they project onto the game.

>>724542648 (OP)
>The game's story is that it's all made up in-universe and nothing that happened was of any consequence

WHAT A MASTERPIECE!

He is a father and husband; his first and only duty is to his family, not to some globs of paint.

>>724563131
>Renoir abandoned his kids
lmao wat

you could argue he abandoned Clea but she's pretty strong, and it's not for long.

>>724563639
>You have understood the game...incorrectly...

>>724563639
>and nothing that happened was of any consequence
But everything that happened was of consequence?

>>724562934
More like breaks out of the mindcontrol due to being the most logical of the group and finishes Sirene off. The same way Visages' masks don't affect Sciel because she doesn't hide who she is and she finishes Visages off.

>>724563768
>>724563776
>Some old biddy was staring at a painting for too long
>Decide whether to break it or not

WHAT A MASTERPIECE

>>724563869
Reductionism is a tiresome way to argue a point and doesn’t convince anybody, it just evidences the arguer’s petulance.

>>724563639
The story is that a guy died saving his sister only for his mother to become a drooling drug addict to escape reality, and his sister then follows in her footsteps.

>>724562819
>What's so bad about that picture?
it looks goofy as fuck dude, the way the scar tissue just looks perfectly placed on her face, like they intentionally made it look like shitty makeup. contrast with the terrible hair physics, that UE-colored blouse, and that massive ugly dead eye... it's comedy dude, it's like every wannabe """cinematic""" game in one image, video games wanting to be movies and only succeeding in capturing the absolute worst of both mediums.

>>724562921
I haven't seen a BG thread on here for like... months, at least (not counting BG3 obv) so idk who you're talking about.

>>724563718
Kek. That describes it perfectly.

>>724564130
You go through life looking for things to complain about, and just make shit up if you can't find any.

>>724563812
ehhhhhhhhhh i still dont get it

sciel reaches and pulls visages mask off, while lune is lifted up by sirene itself before the win

also her being logical didnt help her against the first encounter where monoco saves the team while lune stays controlled the longest, or pre-boss fight where she sees her parents while verso is the only one not giving a fuck

best i can think of is sirene tried a third type of mindcontrol but lune could eat all of that, but that is just my guess and idk what this third type might be

>>724564302
The truth is they wanted to give sciel and lune story moments before the end of act 2 and lune's was poorly executed. It's a great, but certainly not perfect, game.

>>724564130
>the way the scar tissue just looks perfectly placed on her face
What? It looks like scar tissue.
>hair physics
What?
>UE-colored
This shit again? Can you give me the hex code of this so-called UE-color? Why do you think UE games can't display all 16 million colors?
>massive ugly dead eye
What should it look like?

>>724564256
>>724564505
>poster openly begs for (You)s
>(You) give them to him

>>724550969
She's still cute. Her nose didn't even melt off like many burn victims. She'll be fine.

>>724564616
Feeding trolls can sometimes be fun. It's entertaining to see what they come up with.

>>724563447
>See picrel.
I see a bunch of jewish narrative designers, HR employees, and other worthless faggots whose job it is to launder money and post on twitter while the actual video game is outsourced to India/China
>incapable of recognizing beauty
show me some.
>You think not capitalizing White means you're better than us.
ok mr. freud you got any other armchair psychology insights to share?
you don't need to analyze my lack of grammar to know that I think I'm better than you, I'll gladly state that outright: I AM better than you, because I actually care about video games.
>I listed the first half a dozen areas in the game
yeah I don't know why you did that, I really don't care.
>each with completely unique color palettes.
none of them are unique, I've seen them in DmC Devil May Cry, I've seen them in Bioshock Infinite, I've seen them in Outlast, I've seen them in Life is Strange, I've seen them in Injustice, I've seen them in that 50 Cent game, and I've seen them in countless other dogshit UE titles with zero art direction and lazy devs that don't know how to make an engaging experience.
if you don't know what I'm talking about you simply haven't played enough video games to have a valid opinion on this issue, I'm sorry. grow up, play some games that weren't made in the last five years, and then maybe we can talk.
>So why haven't you played this game?
because I have no reason to instead of replaying games that I like
>Why do you care so much about it?
I don't and idk how you got that impression.
is this part of that twitch culture thing where zoom zooms think caring about things is supposed to be automatically cringe and bad?

Monoco steals his enemies legs because the dog version would hump people’s legs

>>724564974
Really?
I assumed it was the dog tearing legs off his toys

>>724564974
my dog used to steal my gfs dirty underwear and socks, put them in his bed, and sleep on them at night

>>724564667
burned girl sengoku

If I learned anything throughout my playthrough, it is that Clea is sex.

>>724551661
Sciel tried to sudoku first so she's worse
Also it felt like he wanted to kill himself since he thought he let maelle die.
Lune feels like the most npc character in the game so she's worse too.
It was easy as fuck picking versos ending since the only good characters were his creations

>>724564505
>It looks like scar tissue.
nah scar tissue doesn't make those artificial little waves like that.
>What?
The hair, it looks like shit. It doesn't look like real hair at all, it looks like... idk spaghetti with the physics of plastic doll hair. it's unironically a step backwards from those solid chunks of hair because at least those didn't draw as much attention. I mean just look at it, it's fucking clipping inside her forehead.
>This shit again?
is this literally the first time you've ever heard of this dude? even as a zoom zoom you should've heard people talk about UE3 and how it makes every game look the same unless you have a crazy art director that can pull off some truly talented shit.
look at how the blouse has like this weird blue glow coming off it, look at how her hair is has weird greys and purples in it, look at how washed out the gold clasp looks. you could put this in any early 2010s UE3 game and nobody would notice the difference. aside from how the hair would be noticeably worse lmao.

Alicia, you have so much to live for! You’ll get to live in 1930s/40s France! Think of all the cool things you’ll get to do.

Aline is a horrible person. You can see that from the fact that she didn't even color in Alicia.

>>724564967
>I see a bunch of jewish narrative designers, HR employees, and other worthless faggots whose job it is to launder money and post on twitter while the actual video game is outsourced to India/China
Got any evidence at all for that? It's quite a big deal to not put developer names in the credits. Why aren't the hundreds of outsourced devs in india and china (note how you capitalized those despite not capitalizing White a few posts back) suing Sandfall for not being credited? It would be easy money.
>show me some
Sure. Go play the game. It's only 50 bucks.
>I actually care about video games
So do I, which is why I like this video game we're discussing.
>yeah I don't know why you did that, I really don't care
Because you made a claim that the game only uses one default UE color palette. I listed areas which all have unique color palettes to disprove your claim.
>none of them are unique
Unique in the context of the game. It doesn't use one singular color palette like you claim.
>because I have no reason to instead of replaying games that I like
Alright. Then go have fun with that. Really, I mean it. I'll miss your posts here but I'll be fine as long as you're happy.
>I don't and idk how you got that impression
You care enough to enter a thread specifically about the game to shit on it. Sounds like something about the game has you seething. Probably the fact it's made by an all White team and you're a brownoid seething about being proven inferior.

>>724566135
She was upset.

>>724564974
>>724565068
That, and they're stick shaped.

>>724566135
Hate to break it to you, but all women are horrible people

>>724559740
>Easily the best game this year and doesn't have a lot of competition for game of the decade.

A bunch of boring-samey linear corridor dungeons with a random big boogieman boss at the end of each, separated by story cutscenes. The one boss that's actually story related is just the same person fought 3 times. The only reason it doesn't have competition is that people seem fucking enthralled by some barebones RPG.

>>724545164
I side with pAlicia. What does that make me?

>>724566751
You can make any game sound boring by reducing the gameplay to its simplest form. Try actually criticizing the game next time.

>>724543372
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxyL3Ymbwn4

real Alicia deserved the hate.
painted Alicia deserved better though.

>>724566186
>Got any evidence
I see jewish faggots, I see a game that was clearly made in a chinese sweatshop, I put 2 and 2 together my guy. wtf are you talking about evidence? this is a video game not a crime scene nigger.
>Go play the game
idk even the name and to be honest dude once this thread dies I'll forget it even exists.
>I listed areas which all have unique color palettes
"dude trust me every single image people post of this game looks like shit but the rest of it doesn't just trust me bro" lmao nah
>Unique in the context of the game.
yes and I'm sure if this is your first video game it looks very very nice but most of us have played video games before.
>You care enough to enter a thread specifically about the game to shit on it.
yes and?
>Sounds like something about the game has you seething.
idk what to tell you man, I go to /v/, I click on a thread, I post my thoughts. simple as. I don't have to work myself into a state of angered frenzy in order to solve a captcha or anything. I guess you do? but that sounds kind of weird to me.
>Probably the fact it's made by an all White team
>(((White)))
not based on that picture you posted lmao

>>724566834
Does she even have a side? She just wants her painted family to be together.

>>724566834
>be like 100
>give your brother a letter
>"You can do what you want"
>sulk when you don't get your way
Alone painted her true to life.

>>724567524
>wtf are you talking about evidence
You made a claim. Now back it up.
>idk even the name
Terrible bait. It's literally in the OP pic.
>every single image people post of this game looks like shit
Show me 3 (three) of these images that look like shit.
>most of us have played video games before
So have I. It still looks great.
>yes and?
And you said you didn't care.
>I post my thoughts
Why post your thoughts about a game you've never played, that you apparently don't even know the name of?

>>724566834
>>724567435
>>724567550
Painted Alicia unironically showed a near heroic level of maturity a sobriety given the circumstances. An inspirational character who true to her character got completely forgotten in the mix by the end, both by the story and by the audience, while being emotional core and engine of the whole ordeal and she probably didn't want it any other way. We didn't deserve a character this sublime.

>>724567952
You did not understand her character and you don't deserve her blessing your life with her existence

>>724568037
suck my fat cock chinkmoot

>>724566751
>linear corridor dungeons
didn't play the game again award

>>724568640
Ewwww

>retards still crying about UE because some barely literate mass educated people make slop with it
I've seen a lot of shitty things on computer screens, I think computer screens are fucked up.

>>724565821
burn scars famously do, retard

>>724568640
Ah, my bad. I'll go turn off the spam filters just for you.
>I reacted to it
Yes. By posting a claim with zero evidence.
>I'm scrolled down
So scroll up? Or open it in a new tab. Or are you a phoneposter?
>images
I'm not gonna bother looking too close, but that just seems like you indiscriminately picked every image of the game in this thread. Most of them look good btw.
>UE jank
I know what that is. This game still looks great.
>for fun
I'm also having fun replying to your retardation.

>>724566135
>game starts suggesting aline is the villain
>you find out she's not doing what you think she is, maybe she is the villain
>you find out she's responsible for the state of palicia, reaffirming her as the villain
Kino.

>>724566834
a golden-route fag

>>724568090
Yep, and literally her letter is named after what would have been the true/good ending had Verso and Maelle not fucked everything up. She was completely right that both sides could and should have worked together to find a compromise that saves everyone.

>>724569778
Her letter was a load of retarded shit
>I hope you differ from your father and your sister
Yeah, she's EXACTLY like her mother instead.

>>724569778
>>724569751
kek literally seconds later

>>724545164
Reminder that Renoir is doing this BECAUSE he himself once got addicted to a canvas and Aline saved him, he is returning her favor and using her own logic that she taught him.

>>724569921
I mean of course there was no third ending planned to be in the game, that is the point that other characters made the idea of it impossible.

>>724569778
unfortunatelly you don't seem to quite get her character either.

>>724570128
There wasn't a compromise that was possible. Either Renoir or Aline was going to overcome the other in their struggle. Aline winning was a non-starter for Verso. If she wins, she and Alicia would both want to stay and be impossible to fight off. They both die. Period. Only possible outcome. If Renoir wins, we see what happens. Either he destroys the canvas or Alicia stays and dies (and possibly Aline as well). The ONLY compromise would've been Alicia saying "Hey dad, we beat mom, let's step outside and talk to her about this, I'll help you," instead of "this is my home now you can't do this reeeee." If you want to look for who spits on palicia's wishes, look no further than actual alicia.

>>724543332
Go back to playing your faggot piano

>>724568983
>didn't play the game again award

So now I have to play it twice to be able to comment on it?

>>724570524
Well yeah, I'm including Alicia/Maelle in this. IF she was willing to leave the canvas and help keep her mom out and IF Verso hadn't also sabotaged this option you could have had a compromise where they kept the painting, no one died in it and they stopped all the Necron shit and met up with soul fragment Verso occasionally so he wouldn't be miserable.

>>724571761
>IF she was willing to leave
There's your problem. She simply wasn't.
>IF Verso hadn't also sabotaged this option
He was vindicated in doing so. Aline was completely willing to die before leaving, and Alicia turned out to be the same. There was no compromising with either of them.

>>724572359
Verso letting Gustave die and lying about everything made it so Alicia/Maelle just got more attached to the canvas and wasted time on wanting to kill pRenoir and the Paintress when she could have been considering different options.

>>724570524
There could be a compromise if Alicia and Aline could get a hold of themselves. The painting wouldn't have to be destroyed if they stopped being little bitches about it. They could still visit it sometimes, Renoir only wants to destroy it because they can't handle that and will kill themselves in there otherwise.

>>724572950
>Alicia/Maelle
Two different people with different motivations. Maelle cared about Gustave. Alicia cared about Verso, same as Aline.
>considering different options.
There were two options. Wait/defeat Aline, Renoir wins. Queue the events from the rest of the game. Option B, defeat Renoir. Now Aline is unbeatable and Alicia wants the same things as her and has no desire to even try and resist her. Both die in the canvas.

Great compromises.

>>724573401
I am reminded of, "if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle." Alicia and Aline in this situation are defined by their inability to get ahold of themselves. Painted alicia's life to dream might be feasible in another world with different people, but that's not where we find ourselves.

>>724570524
Yeah. That's the genius and tragedy of the story. A good ending would be possible with like 5 minutes of talking, but with the characters being who they are, that was impossible from the start.

>>724573663
I think it was also interesting how on the surface, every character has noble intentions and goals, but in truth, they're almost always just being selfish in different ways, and usually end up doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.

>>724573663
That's what makes a story good, the characters having actual motivations, that they would do the same thing in the same situation every time. People treat this story like everyone involved is a player in a CRPG choose your own adventure, and that everything they do should be up to the player. There's plenty of rpgs with blank slate self-insert characters you're free to play if you want that, I like this one with its actual plot.

>>724573790
I kind of view it the exact opposite. Except for Alicia. She's clearly trying to do a (partially) good thing for the worst possible reason.

>>724573579
You could defeat Aline and agree that everyone teams up to keep her out of the canvas, obviously Alicia/Maelle at the end wasn't willing to but maybe if her character development went a little differently she would have. After all Alicia didn't want to throw herself into the painting before living as Maelle, and Maelle at first hated being in Lumiere and didn't see it as home. So maybe if she'd been told the truth early there was a chance.

>>724574759
>Alicia didn't want to throw herself into the painting before
She was tempted.
Alicia: (Verso’s childhood canvas. Where we used to play… Where he painted Esquie and Monoco. And where Maman and Papa now fight… Clea’s right. It’s my fault. I should help fix this. And I do want to fix this. I do. If I can… Verso would have. And… it would be nice.. to talk and breathe again, without pain. Without my face being… Not that that’s the reason to do this, no, it’s…It’s the right thing to do. After everything I’ve caused…)
>Maelle at first hated being in Lumiere and didn't see it as home
Not at first, until the moment she gommaged. That never changed. As soon as Act 3 starts, Maelle is gone and Alicia is in charge.
>So maybe if she'd been told the truth early there was a chance.
The truth would've just made her want to kick out Renoir instead of Aline. Then, Aline is unbeatable. Gg no re. You have tons of "maybes" but no reasoning why anything would turn out better than what we were presented with. Like everyone else, Palicia's logic was flawed. She dreamed of a better solution, there simply wasn't one. Her letter is called "a life to dream" because despite the entire world being artificial, her proposition was the only thing that wasn't real and had no basis in reality. She is the perfect avatar of the painted people. She's the most tragic figure of all of the lumierens. She crystallizes the purpose of their creation: backdrop for Aline's life with painted Verso, without her own feelings or fate being considered.

Aline is the villain.

>>724575808
>STOP comforting that tortured child's soul and call me Maelle right now Verso, my flesh and blood brother alongside whom I was raised in real life.

>>724543661
Painted Verso has a connection with the fragment of real Verso's soul that's in the canvas. He's got more claim to having a soul than any other canvas native.

>>724542648 (OP)
still not playing

>>724553660
>Guy who is intentionally trying to misrepresent shit is calling other people disingenuous
Yea. You're just that much of a useless mess, aren't you?

>>724575808
>this is the good ending actually

>>724570524
The issue is that by the time Maelle discovers the truth about her identity and the painting, everything is already decided and there is nothing left to bargain with. The Paintress is gone, Lumiere is deleted. Alicia's wish was that they at least try to deliberate for an amicable solution, given the presence of a third painter in Maelle, who could have been a force of compromise given that she had lived as a painted person.

There is no way of knowing how Renoir or Aline would have responded to a compromise proposed by Maelle, before the fight had already been won. Who's to say they that with Maelle's help they couldn't reach an agreement where Aline leaves the canvas but is allowed to return, Renoir doesn't gommage it, and everyone is happy? You can argue we know enough about their personalities to predict the outcome, but Maelle having the ability to win the fight for either side is a huge bargaining chip that is immediately lost as soon as they defeat the paintress. We will never know how that mediation might have played out because Verso decided his sister's wishes didn't matter and it wasn't worth even considering.

>>724543332
Technically they are alive since they have emotions and memories, that’s enough for me to know you’re alive. HOWEVER, it’s no one’s obligation to make sure a superficial world remains intact for the sole purpose of reliving the memory of a dead loved one. Yes you gave birth to a new world however as the creator you have the right to decide how things go. Realistically destroying the painted world wouldn’t affect them in a negative manner it would just *snap* end. The mother cause it to be a moral issue when she kept interfering and making them slowly die off, instead of erasure in totality and cleanly. It’s the sympathy that condemns them to misery. Simple as that

>>724573941
>Alicia/Maelle says she's just trying to save the painted world and its people
actually she's just trying to play make-believe that Verso is still alive
>Verso says he's just trying to save his family
actually he's just fucking tired and broken and wants to die and neither his mother or his sister will let him
>Alicia says she's just trying to protect the painting from Renoir
actually she's just doing the same thing as Maelle and causing suffering to hide from her own pain
>Renoir says he's just trying to save his family
actually he's afraid and alone and is trying to bring his family back together for mostly his own sake

Clea is the only one who doesn't lie, and she's openly being selfish. But then, she's actually doing the most to protect the family by fighting the writers and protecting them IRL while they're all wrapped up in painting stuff. If she joined them, the writers would just finish the job and burn the whole place down, and not only would the family be lost, so would Lumiere and every other painting in the house which is probably quite a few.

>>724578448
>The issue is that by the time Maelle discovers the truth about her identity and the painting, everything is already decided and there is nothing left to bargain with.
And what if she discovered it sooner? They'd still be in the same situation. Aline decided to die in the canvas BEFORE 67 years of her brain degrading. She won't budge, period. Renoir spent 67 years struggling and was willing to endure decades more to prevent his wife from dying. He wasn't going to budge, either.
>There's no way of knowing
There's no reason to assume otherwise. You simply want as many reasons as possible to shit on Verso.

>>724573790
Yeah. It's kinda like they're all hypocrites, doing the same thing to each other.

>>724543332
Back to the piano mines verso

>>724579303
>actually he's just fucking tired and broken and wants to die and neither his mother or his sister will let him
If all he wanted was to die, he would've stayed and let Renoir gommage him at the beginning of act III
>actually he's afraid and alone and is trying to bring his family back together for mostly his own sake
It's an objective fact that his wife and daughter are killing themselves rather than facing the loss of Verso, you simply will not convince people that trying to stop your wife and daughter from killing themselves out of grief over the loss of a loved one is selfish.
>Clea is the only one
Typical. If she wanted to "Do the most to protect the family," she wouldn't spend her precious little time in the canvas building a spooky lair for her own enslaved painted self or rewriting simon to go kill her other giant painted self, or trying to recruit/terrorize expedition 0. She'd go up to Aline, who is with every fiber of her being resisting Renoir, and bitch slap her out of the canvas. She DOES lie. She puts on a facade of being above it all and not caring about the canvas and being aloof about verso's memory. The lady of sap reveals that that's a lie.

>>724579857
>If all he wanted was to die, he would've stayed and let Renoir gommage him at the beginning of act III
I don't remember when exactly that happened, but I know that for a while there Verso was on board with Maelle/Alicia's plan and felt hopeful again, until he saw her plainly lie to Renoir and knew that she was doomed as long as the painting continued to exist.

Add IP counters back to this board

>>724579303
Verso's prime motivation isn't death, or else he could have died easily.

>>724580216
At the beginning of act 3, Renoir starts gommaging Verso. Alicia stops it and Monoco shows up on Esquie so they can escape. Verso goes with them rather than staying and dying, because his primary motivation was never just "gotta die lmao" like aliciafriends continuously suggest
>>724580309
At this point just go the whole 9 yards and add IDs to every board.

>>724579857
>If she wanted to "Do the most to protect the family," she wouldn't...
she's also coping like the rest of them, but like Renoir, her unhealthy trauma response is actually for the best. Clea is angry and getting revenge, Renoir is trying to save his family, but they're doing these good things for ultimately selfish reasons. Meanwhile, Alicia and Aline are doing bad things for selfish reasons while pretending to do good things.

>>724580395
I doubt it. Alicia and Aline won't let him die.

>>724542648 (OP)
I am legitimately poor and havent been able to find a single job (not even in fast food) for two years now I cant play vidya, so can someone please tell me what e33 is about? Obviously I know the premise, but is it communist shit like disco elysium, or based, or does it depend on your route, etc?

>>724580459
>trying to stop your wife and daughter from killing themselves is selfish
lmao

>>724580459
Yeah, but once Renoir was fully unleashed he could have literally just stayed to get gommaged. At any point he could have just taken Esquie to go visit Renoir and die.

>>724579371
The fact that Maelle has the ability to win the battle for either side could have been used to force a compromise.

>>724580535
It's not political in the standard sense, it's a moral conundrum. There aren't many direction-brained takes to draw from it.

>>724580553
Notice that I said for "mostly" selfish reasons. Helping them helps him too, but yes, what he's doing is good. And he's not JUST being selfish, he also does care a lot about them and is trying to save them. He's not wrong about anything, I'm just nitpicking his motivations.

>>724580632
Aline never left, even when she was utterly defeated. Alicia had to go as far as gommaging her. So no, Aline was never going to leave. When she went into the canvas, she made the conscious choice of a slow, comfortable death over her brutal reality. Likewise, Renoir (who already was winning anyways) was not going to accept any outcome that left his family in the canvas. Neither of them would've budged.

>>724580535
It's about escapism and dealing with pain and grief.

>>724580661
Well I dont mean trumpshit or bidenshit, I mean is it based (natural law) or absurd retard shit like (kill your enemies and they win)?

>>724580695
>I'm just nitpicking his motivations.
You're just uncomfortable saying "I was wrong." Renoir went through hell for almost 70 years for his family, doing things he was not pleased to have to do, to save their lives. It was extremely selfless. What aspect of it was selfish?
>actually if helping others make you feel good it's selfish, hurr durr there's no such thing as altruism

>>724580809
It's a game about the inevitability of and reaction to loss, and doesn't get very delusional with it except in the most literal sense.

>>724580809
Based.

>>724579724
>she cute
>either ending
no she aint

>>724580917
>You're just uncomfortable saying "I was wrong."
Maybe you've mixed me up with somebody else. I've been on team "Renoir did nothing wrong" from the beginning.

>>724581038
There's a distinction between "Justified" and "Understandable".

>>724581012
Did you not say "they're all selfish actually"?

>>724580809
>absurd retard shit like (kill your enemies and they win)
there's none of that nonsense in the game.

>>724581083
Name a single action that wasn't justified

>>724581038
That's what makes it such a good tragedy.

>>724581091
Yeah. Ultimately they're all dealing with Verso's death and trying to make themselves feel better in different ways. Same with Renoir, except he's also trying to help his family at the same time. I'd say he's the least selfish. Does that make you feel better?

>>724581198
Alicia enslaving the entire canvas as her playthings.

>>724581198
Aline created full-ass humans and then gave them original sin and a self preservation drive.

>>724581005
She is, though the devs did do some sabotage here and there to make her hebe sexo not stand out so much in the endings

>>724581293
>>724581343
None of them were sentient beings, they were more or less Sims

>>724581097
>>724580998
>>724580946
Then I will continue to dream about playing it some day.

>>724581492
I think Maelle ending is an absolute nightmare but I don't think the painted people were just Sims. They created new things indepedently and surprised their creators multiple times, like Gustave with his Lumina Converter.

>>724581226
And what did Renoir do that was selfish? I've asked you that already, this'll be the last circle I go in.

>>724581598
If your computer can run it, it's pretty easy to pirate the game. There are some mods to improve performance as well.

>>724581492
You are welcome to your headcanon, but that was not the intention of the artists nor the interpretation of most players.

>>724581746
I don't care and they are both wrong

>>724581657
If it wasn't for Alicia, his all or nothing destruction of the canvas was likely premature. He overstepped what he had to do in order to ensure his worst fears wouldn't come to pass.

>>724581880
>If it wasn't for Alicia, his all or nothing destruction of the canvas was likely premature.
False, he was winning over time, each year the maximum age for Lumierens was younger and when they were wiped out he would've controlled enough chroma to throw out aline. Alicia just let him win earlier. Play the game.

>>724581657
Once again, anon...he did nothing wrong, but his motivations weren't entirely selfless. if they were, he'd be a far less interesting character.

Name a single character who did anything wrong. You quite literally can't

>>724582108
>And what did Renoir do that was selfish?
And what did Renoir do that was selfish?
>And what did Renoir do that was selfish?
And what did Renoir do that was selfish?

>>724582005
No, I mean that his tactic of torching everything and burning the canvas was premature, and he was being more destructive than he had to be out of fear. He found his first solution, no matter how excessive, and stuck to it.

>>724582279
Aline was a more powerful painter, refused to talk, and controlled all the chroma in the canvas. And he STILL got himself in a (slowly) winning position. Can you describe the somehow "less selfish" method that would've been better to save Aline with?

>>724582207
Gustave should've dodged

>>724582443
She clearly didn't refuse to talk, Alicia getting pRenoir'd immediately had her emerge in the midst of a big painter-argument. I bet big painter arguments happened all the time.

>>724582658
>She clearly didn't refuse to talk
"… but how? With someone who refuses to talk. We don’t even share the bonds of grief anymore. She walks her path and I walk mine. I don’t exist to her. None of us do. She’s left us all behind to drown by ourselves, so that she can drown alone…"
The events of the game take place after the fracutre, after Renoir went into the canvas to try and get her out. So, what was his alternative to the action that led to the fracture?

>>724579724
Verso needs to man up

>>724582207
They're basically non-characters but the writers are obviously in the wrong.
There's also really no defending Aline.

>>724582929
Aline wasn't evil.

>>724581598
If >>724581675 isn't an option, then honestly, I'd say just watch it on youtube. The gameplay is great and all, I loved it, but it's absolutely not the focus, the story is. It's not worth missing out on a masterpiece like this. You can always replay it later to experience the gameplay.

>>724582823
I have no idea, but committing to annihilating the last remnant of your son is of course going to sent Aline into a fucking resistive spiral. Then Clea had to swoop in and save him from his own choice and make it feasible.

>>724582483
Fuck that. He should've parried. If you dodged anything except in the tutorial, you didn't beat the game.

>>724581675
>>724582995
it cant run it, unreal engine 5 games demolish my pc.
If I were to watch it the story would vary based on route, right? what route should I watch?

>>724582929
>the writers are obviously in the wrong.
There's not enough information to say. Maybe the Painters are generally pretty fucked up and the Writers are trying to stop it. Who knows?

>>724582207
Alicia for ruining her cute face with burn scars before I could have sex with her.

>>724583129
There's not really any routes or big choices or dialogue decisions to make, not that kind of RPG. You can do things in a different order, but you can do all of them by the end. The only real decision is at the very end and decides which ending you see.

>>724583002
>I have no idea what it could've possibly been but I'm so certain that an alternative existed, that I am also certain the path Renoir took is selfish.
Retarded, thanks.

>>724582985
She was an heroing herself on crack while hitting her husband that got her out of it.
She made lumerians which could only end badly, not to mention the fiasco of painted Alicia and painted Verso.

>>724583284
she did bad things out of pain, she wasn't evil and wasn't thinking clearly

>>724583282
He literally had to be saved by his daughter. The choice he made was clearly unfeasible and rash.

>>724583129
There's really only one 2 way choice at the very end. Look up "Expedition 33 all cutscenes" and pick the 7 hour video. I'm pretty sure there's a link in the comments to the other ending you can watch after finishing, or switch to that video when you get to the ending choice depending on your personal preference.

>>724583173
Even assuming Aline and Renoir have legitimate enemies it wouldn't justify setting up the arson of their estate and the murder of their dumb teenage girl not even involved in the family business.

>>724583185
The scars aren't that bad as depicted in game, the empty eye socket is disturbing though. She needs a glass one or an eyepatch at least.

>>724583002
Renoir clearly didn't want to destroy the painting. He almost certainly tried talking to Aline, probably even multiple times before deciding to cause the Fracture.

>>724581746
remember that the writers are the true villains in the game. don't trust them!

>>724583173
They mailed a teenager an incendiary explosive.

>>724583453
>>724583259
Got it, thanks.

>>724583958
Yep, dindu.

>>724583958
It happens.

cant wait to play as a writer in the sequel and bring about total painter death

>>724543332
If people act like real people, feel emotion like real people and can understand like real people then they are by all purposes real people.

Your argument is retarded, and the type of shit talked about in fiction like Blade Runner/Ghost in Shell for ages.

>>724588261
The only people left making those posts are baiting or total schizos.

>>724588261
>being a person is just having feelings
lol lmao

>>724589329
>Cherrypicking a statement out of context and being reductive to bait (You)'s

Yes, you are retarded. Let the thread die anon, it's over.

Tetsuya Nomura drew Gustave and Maelle lol

>>724589580
Your statement was reductionist to begin with.

>>724588261
oh? can they die like real people?

>>724543332
how would you have felt if you hadn't eaten breakfast this morning

>>724589691
How? Do you honestly think I can verbalize the breath of the human experience in words when philosophers have tried and failed for decades?

>>724589698
They die regardless, I don't think the means you die really matters. Death isn't specific to being human.

>>724589664
the schizo trying to force a fight between the fans is gonna have a melty

>>724589853
You need my cock BAD lol

>>724589698
Yeah.

>>724589853
But I had breakfast wtf lol

>>724589664
>jacked Gustave

>>724543332
Anon, it’s a metaphor for the demiurge and our reality. We are all people in paintings.

the ending made me cry like a bitch

>>724591989
this game made me tear up on a few occasions. didn't cry cuz I'm not a pussy though lol but just barely

>>724591989
>I will miss you guys.

>>724592304
but to tear up is to cry

>>724592440
nah it's only crying if the tears fall down your face

>>724592425
>>724591989
i cared more for creatures without faces than the girls in the party, i had a genuine ugly cry for monoco and esquie with that final bro hug

>>724542648 (OP)
>let me just wipe out this population of sentient beings because I can't hide burry a painting in the woods where my wife wont find it

>>724567550

There are three endings.

P Alicia's ending can't happen because Verso doesn't give the letter to Maelle. It's likely the "good" ending though the game is pretty meta in the sense that it foreshadows a best end that can't happen (because life forces cruel choices)

>>724593176
she finds it with magic :)

>>724593251
>There are three endings.