Thread 724546965

According to Amazon's former VP Ethan Evans, Amazon tried to compete with Steam for 15 years. I wonder if Valve ever knew, because I had no idea.
Kinda makes me feel better about myself to know what kind of absolute retards can get themselves into top executive positions at Amazons, maybe I also have chance to make it in life.

https://archive.is/MjRX9

>>724546965 (OP)
>Kinda makes me feel better about myself to know what kind of absolute retards can get themselves into top executive positions at Amazons, maybe I also have chance to make it in life.
Because it has everything to do with how much you can talk the talk, and not really how much you can do. C-suite is basically filled with silver-tongued snake oil peddlers.

>>724546965 (OP)
Haha.
I'm competing with Jeff Bezos by the way.

Didn't they have their own game launcher at some point?

>>724546965 (OP)
>do nothing
>don't even realize you've won
He can't keep getting away with it

>>724546965 (OP)
You need to know the right people to get those jobs. Qualification doesn't mean jackshit.

>>724547103
They do, though they would give away a mix of Epic and Gog games along side it, presumably because they can't do proper client functions outside basic bitch download and unpack. That's right, no cloud saves on the Amazon launcher, a company that's known for its massive cloud infrastructure.

They recently rebranded the prime games under the Luna banner, so idk what the plan is because game streaming isn't available worldwide

>>724547103
They still do.

>>724547035
Get a job by the way.

I think they could have been good competition but it would have involved upending their entire model by turning Amazon into a social platform. Which they'd never do because it would involve exposing their entire fake reviews scene and blowing a hole through their brand deals.

>>724547025
aka social schmoozers who talked their way into high positions. fact companies trade ceos like pokemon cards tells you there are really not tangible requirements involved.

>>724547585
This sums it up enough for everyone. The algorithms and data Amazon collected would not work for a regulated market they could not indirectly influence. Same goes to the vast majority of major players as well.
This pisses people off when it comes to steam because it is old school coding - functions to perform what it is designed to do in the first place.
Notice the misdirection all copycats have trouble with? Because they are too fucking retarded to stream line the most primary function of a game delivery platform and bloat their shitty program up.

>their shitty Amazon Games App was supposed to be competing with Steam
literally no one knew. It was obvious they had an anti-Steam policy since they never gave away activation codes for Steam redemption, though.

>>724546965 (OP)
Woah how do I get a corporate CEO job in the tech industry. They must be hiring off the street if the bar is so low you can spent 15 years fucking up so bad nobody knows you even did anything

remember when they spent 10 trillion dollars developing an MMO no one played for longer than a week

>>724548563
these people have no idea of the product theyre pushing, its interchangeable to them
its econ majors that know how to climb the corporate ladder very well

>>724547404
Fuck you tripfag nobody likes you

>>724547025
If I had his money and resources I could do it, but Amazon would never green light any idea I'd have because how would they monetize it? They can't.

>>724547190
I don't give a shit about getting those jobs. That's the thing. They would have to come to me and make ME an offer. But I'm a nobody to them with no track record. An idiot savant if you will. Someone who knows what people actually want or need but no leaver to get there. The thing is, the c suite isn't filled with people who will answer that question. The people who get in those seats are only there because they promise to increase the value of stock, not because they want you to make the right decisions to improve the health of the industry you are in.

Ultimately valve is dogshit. But it would be much worse than even now if it was a public company. So much so that people have no idea.

I work leadership at Amazon--most higher ups are dense fucking idiots. Nothing is more enlightening than spending a week or 2 in a corporate office of one of these companies.

>>724550071
That's every stock traded company. Leadership only cares about fulfilling financial quarters in the now. Everything else is an afterthought.

>>724546965 (OP)
How? They gave out free GOG codes.

>>724547404
Kill yourself and your family, tripfaggot scum.

>>724550071
Can you hire me up. I'm 5 years a blue badge.

Only reason I even know that they have a launcher is because they give away games on twitch. I don't even remember what features it has. Probably as shit as the epic launcher.

>>724546965 (OP)
I notice that Prime Gaming is no longer called Prime Gaming.
I'm guessing that's no coincidence?

>>724547332
>>724547372
should I get amazon prime for this? I have been debating getting it for the gog and epic games but I don't want it to just shut down midway

You actually can't get a job at these companies (Amazon, Sony, Microsoft, Valve, Epic, Google, etc) if you have any skill or talent and they're firing anyone with even the slighest glimmer of a soul. Any success they have is based on work people did years ago.

>>724546965 (OP)
NEET reveals he's spent the last 15 years competing with Elon Musk, reveals he failed

The only thing that saves us from the beauracracy is its inefficiency
Can you imagine if this shit had actual support from Amazam? The massive cloud fare service, the potential linking to twitch and other services, could have been one golden loop
But they're all retarded and don't want any other department to succeed, they literally don't coordinate together

>>724546965 (OP)
>Amazon Fresh "Walk-Out" stores supposedly used cameras and AI to scan and charge customers without the need of human employees
>Actually was run by a bunch of Indians manually inputting transactions
>Shuts down
>Amazon gaming also run by indians
>Also fails
What could be the pattern here?

>>724546965 (OP)
have you ever worked at amazon? its an absolute grindmil which turns people into robots and demands the most 'efficiency' at the expense of your life and health - and thats on every level including higher up managers

>>724547717
>fact companies trade ceos like pokemon cards tells you there are really not tangible requirements involved.
This is shockingly true. No matter how badly they mismanage companies CEOs always find work.

>>724546965 (OP)
>15 years
u focking wot

>>724554085
It's more like, an abundance of labor and not that much work. In nice air conditioned warehouses. You spend most of your time socializing.
As long as the numbers are right at the end of the day, leadership takes they paycheck and goes home. Not a soul cares.

>>724548563
they should grab a random nobody that enjoys games and let them give it a shot because ain't nothing working over spin the wheel anon!

>>724547404
no one likes you

>>724554450
In general I'd say covid was true hell but before and after it's fine. I think management except very high up at an fc is a raw deal. Sure you get paid more but you cannot just listen to whatever you want all day and tune out. Your entire job becomes a humiliation ritual instead of work. Only a special kind of retard would want that hell.

>>724546965 (OP)
Thanks for archive anon, hope remains.

>>724546965 (OP)
>Kinda makes me feel better about myself to know what kind of absolute retards can get themselves into top executive positions at Amazon
Here OP, read up.
https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-era-of-the-business-idiot/

>>724546965 (OP)
They could still do it if they wanted to but in reality this failure represents a lack of interest more than anything. They have two challenges, getting their client on gamers PCs and keeping it there. So to achieve this they'd need to pump out couple of good hits each year, price them accordingly and keep store exclusive to high quality products. Then after people have enough games on Amazon client open the slop gates

So it's easy, it's doable but the problem is that the PC market isn't big enough. Amazon wants the app and playstore audiences. They don't want to be Steam, they want to be the appstore for gamers which isn't going to work but they're trying to make it happen

>>724546965 (OP)
>crumbles
They were competing with GameStop, with no interest in helping the industry, they were all too happy to destroy it

>>724547025
This

>>724550197
Quoting this post for great justice, because that is exactly why it is how it is.
If a company does well or survives is irrelevant.
All a CEO is supposed to do is to increase value for the shareholders, and if that means sacrificing the company for a great quarter, so be it.
That is why public trading should be abolished, the stock market smashed and anyone making a living off it to be culled.

>>724555490
>When ChatGPT debuted in November 2022, McDermott joined his executives around a boardroom table and they played with the chatbot together. From there, he made a quick decision. “Bill’s like, ‘Let me make it clear to everybody here, everything you do: AI, AI, AI, AI, AI,’” recalled Tzitzon, the ServiceNow vice chair.
>To begin a customer meeting on AI, McDermott has asked his salespeople to do what amounts to their best impression of him: Present AI not as a matter of bots or databases but in grand-sounding terms, like “business transformation.
>During the push to grow AI, McDermott has insisted his managers improve efficiency across their teams. He is laser-focused on a sales team’s participation rate. “Let’s assume you’re a manager, and you have 12 direct reports,” he said. “Now let’s assume out of those 12, two people did good, which was so good that the manager was 110% of plan. I don’t think that’s good. I tell the manager: ‘What did the other 10 do?’”

>>724546965 (OP)
Impossible. That would entail making a good, reliable service and generate goodwill over several years. Amazon's shareholders want to see profit yesterday.

Maybe the Amazon Launcher would be more successful if you could actually find the damn download page. The launcher is so deeply embedded in the Prime Gaming webpage, I had to use a direct link from some Reddit thread.

>>724547372
how is cloud gaming competing with Steam?

>>724560035
Amazon is a labyrinthine website. I assume they have some data indicating that an awful website boosts sales or something because it's been horrible as long as I've used it.

>>724547404
Tripfag please leave.

>>724554040
Never forget: AI = Actually Indian.

JUST
CHARGE
TEN DOLLARS
LESS PER GAME THAN STEAM
HOLY FUCK

>>724555490
HOW THE FUCK DO I GET IN
PEOPLE THIS STUPID SHOULDN'T EVEN BE GARBAGE COLLECTORS

>>724556979
>That is why public trading should be abolished, the stock market smashed and anyone making a living off it to be culled.
massive trvthnvke that no one seems to be talking about

>>724563073
You dont. That's the trick. You will not, and never will, "get in" because you didn't know the right people.

Being smart isn't as advantageous as being lucky. In fact, its the polar opposite where anything "real world" is concerned.

>>724563073
Nepotism. Modern leadership is not decided by skill but who your parents were or who you are fucking.

>>724562997
I'd still use steam desu.
I don't trust amazon.

>>724546965 (OP)
Funnily enough Steam operates much like earlier Amazon before it became a Pajeet Warehouse Distributor. Its success lies in easy to use shop where you can buy shit at good discounts. Much like with their tv shows Amazon thought they can just throw money at the problem and it solves by itself.

>>724563073
>he fell for the meritocracy meme

>>724555490
That article sounds very similar to something Steve Jobs once said; that eventually all the engineers/innovators in the company get pushed out by business school types who have zero understanding of the products their company produces, leading successful tech companies to stagnate after their initial burst of growth.

>>724564439
It's incredible how loony Jobs was and generally he was a very poor judge of business sense but even he knew what Apple did in the 1990s was terrible

>>724556979
>That is why public trading should be abolished, the stock market smashed and anyone making a living off it to be culled.
Kingpost, you deserve a happy day today.

>>724564569
Jobs wasn't talking about early Apple though, he was talking about Xerox and how Xerox basically invented the modern PC but decided to focus on selling printer ink instead.

>>724560474
Maybe it's the digital equivalent of those stores that put all the things people actually want to buy in the back of the store so people feel compelled to buy other shit on the way to and back from buying those.

>>724564010
This. I don't even get the free gibs from epic game store. It's Steam and GOG for me, pirating anything else.

>yea we wanted to manipulate players and destroy steam in the processes haha oops

why admit this

>>724556979
B b b b based

Why Epic, Amazon and Microsoft don't simply pool their resources and lobby for a government anti-monopoly intervention that forces Valve to dissolve Steam?

I didn't even know they had games

>>724556979
>the stock market smashed and anyone making a living off it to be culled.
Friendly reminder that the most affluent and richer anons earn their money from the stock market.

>>724554085
Basically they're mad robotics and AI haven't caught up enough to replace manual labor, so they force everyone to function like robots in the meantime.

>>724563073
You will never get in

>>724551694
did you enjoy your stadia experience? if so, yes, you'll love luna

>>724548563
go to an ivy league school or mit/caltech
spew believable bullshit
dress well
don't be a sperg

>>724567581
>Amazon and Microsoft lobby for anti-monopoly
lol, their entire business model is built on establishing monopolies. The last thing they want to do is draw attention to monopoly regulation.

>>724565109
same

>>724564793
It's shocking to think how big and innovative Xerox and IBM once were and now they're shadows of themselves

>>724567581
they are indirectly doing that
have you heard about the various US elected officials voicing concerns about steam being a nazi safe haven? Most of those officials receive money not just from AIPAC but also these tech companies

>>724547404
mad cause you aren't competing with big jeffy like that anon is

>>724546965 (OP)
Jews know no bounds
God damn greedy rats
>#1 seller of literally everything on Earth outside games
NO NO WE HAVE TO SELL THE MOST GAMES TOO WE NEED MORE MONEY
>Elon Musk builds innovative Rocket company to compete wih Nasa and US government
NO NO WE MUST BE TOP ROCKET PEOPLE AND GO INTO SPACE FIRST
Just fuck off

>>724546965 (OP)
Not a marketing guy, but i think a more competent move companies should consider is picking a better name for their branching ventures?
"Amazon Games" is so cheap and tacky sounding, it's like when supermarkets create brands with the store's name on it. Do you think people would still use Instagram if it was named "Facebook Pictures"? If Disney changed ESPN to "Disney Sports"? It sounds like a fucking Wii game
Hey guys, It's 2003! Let's expend the weeked blasting some NOOBs on Halo with my new sweet "MICROSOFT BOX"

>>724572980
I'm of course not a genius businessman like this former VP for Amazon, but why didn't they just include video games with their prime subscriptions, which already have a userbase of like 200 million people? Netflix did the same thing to at least mild success.

>>724572980
>we built "Luna", a game streaming service
Did they? I never even heard of it. At least I knew about Stadia, even if I wrote it off from the start.

>>724567581
>Amazon and Microsoft
They are just as likely to get fucked by regulators so that's quite the gamble.
Plus Microsoft seems content to be friends with Steam for the now.
>Epic
I wouldn't be shocked if they had a lawsuit written up like with Apple and Google but Valve never took the bait.

>>724546965 (OP)
CS saved gaming, go open a box

>>724573302
It's wild to me that Stadia and other vidya streaming services got as much investment as they did when gamers told them over and over again that the inherent latency issues meant that no-one would ever play fast-paced multiplayer games on them, making it doomed to obscurity from the outset.

>>724573269
I thought the same, Microsoft gamepass has been sucessiful on it is own rights, they just needed to offer the same "netflix of games", no streaming shit though like luna.

>>724546965 (OP)
I can't wait for more gay ass subscription services to platforms that won't carry anything I want to play

>>724573367
Microsoft's probably horny to have Steam on Xbox because they'll want a cut of profits from sales made, I'm thinking of Final Fantasy 14 where the port requires you pay your sub by first paying Microsoft for points, then using *that* to pay your monthly sub or buying shit off of FF14's cash shop

Steam obviously would not hear of anything like that

>year 3000
>Gaben, now the size of a freight car and sustained by innumerable apparati, awakens from his slumber
>"m'lord, your stratagems have won the day! godking Bezos and Dark Tim have been vanquished"
>Gaben pauses for a few moments after inhaling several hoagies
>"who?"

>>724546965 (OP)
If steam tried to sell chinkshit worldwide and provide server services it would turn bezos into the poorest man on earth in just two weeks

>>724554040
Wasting money on "growth" into random bullshit because the 1 or 2 things that you make money with have capped out, but the market priced you as someone still with space to grow (or who will maintain their current profits for the next three decades)

>>724573987
It's publishers being super super horny to turn games into a subscription service and they're super fucking pissed it's never going to work because of the speed of electricity, radio, and data transfer not accommodating it

It's the now ancient problem for governments and businesses being horny to have computational access done through terminals and a central computer when it mkes no sense on any front to not do that on a local computer

>>724547372
what an absolute marketing failure that nobody would ever be able to tell you the name of amazons launcher.

It always amazes me. While Half-Life was pretty significant at the time, it was Valve buying up mod teams and then publishing them that really built them into the company they are today.
Why can't Amazon (or any big corp) buy a small but successful company, scale it up a bit and use its game as a foundation. They always have to fuck with the company, reassign their employees, run them off, fuck with the core recipe, and just kill it.
No long term vision other than "line goes up next quarter"

>>724573269
I'm pretty sure that was integrated through Twitch, but nobody is touching any tab besides the live broadcast from any given streamer.

>Amazon: assassin hired to kill inspector Closeau
>Valve: inspector Closeau

>>724547025
>Charisma build is OP and allows you to ignore every game mechanic
Bullshit

>>724574338
It's nice that God made reality in a way to actively frustrate bottomless greed and lust for power.

I work for a bank as an IT admin.
The bank is migrating everything to AWS because they basically allowed them to not need datacenters anymore and the services that have migrated so far have worked fine.

I think the issue is Amazon hiring idiots for their entertainment arm rather than Amazon as a whole not knowing how to handle modern businesses.

>>724574402
corps aren't interested in the product, they want ridiculous get rich quick schemes which is why the retards at amazon greenlit 2 mmorpgs. If you cant promise them the moon they dont want anything to do with you.

>>724546965 (OP)
Literally the only thing I ever used Amazon for was to play a free copy of Pillars of Eternity I got

>>724564793
Except that modern management in big corporations have overcorrected the other way.
>be meta
>ignore selling ads and focus on trying to make the metaverse happen
>be all the big tech companies
>ignore your core product and try to make AI useful for something
Only one who ends shit prematurely is google

>>724574294
gaben is actually the god emperor mentioned in 40k

the Lord of the Rings MMORPG they were working on is likely dead
>Riot MMO being restarted from scratch
>Ashes of Creation interest has completely died off
the genre is genuinely dead now

>>724574503
the tower of babel story reigns supreme.
the great irony at play is that their greed is what causes said complex systems to fall apart in the first place. gotta cheap out on everything and get rid of the most qualified.

>>724546965 (OP)
>Here's the new Xbox, you can buy games from steam!
MS is next kek.

>>724572980
How about just having a storefront that sells games?

>>724575284
gaben himself had to force people onto steam by forcing it to be used with HL2.
people were mad at the time about that too.
some sort of hook is required.

>>724573987
The real issue was economic, not latency. Unlike AI, which you can make yourself and which is an extremely uniform task, games are a very unique, written basically exvlusively for one manufacturer's hardware, can't be converted, and run like shit.
Geforce streaming is doing good. Because nvidia doesn't need to pay itself margin. Stadia died once it was time to make another giant gpu purchase

>>724568249
So? They can get a real job.

>>724556979
>All a CEO is supposed to do is to increase value for the shareholders, and if that means sacrificing the company for a great quarter, so be it.
This is wrong retard

>>724572980
Amazon acquired Twitch ..... just so they could fuck with Steam!??
WTF is wrong with these people? They got gold coins where their brains should be.

>>724575929
Line must go up no matter what.
And then it's just the promise that it will go up eventually, not that it really does, so buying Twitch under the assessment that it'll force people to buy games from Amazon makes sense.

>>724572980
You FUCKTARDS
Twitch is not a platform for gamers. It's a platform for people who watch other people play games.

>>724574963
Riot is too stupid to break into mmos
Ashes of faggotry is just a scam

>replaced windows with archlinux (literally all my games work, some even with better fps)
>lifted my own gitlab instead of using github
>replacing gmail/outlook emails with proton
>went back to torrenting movies and tv shows
>stopped using amazon (as much)

take that trillion dollar companies

>>724547025
>Because it has everything to do with how much you can talk the talk

Yeah, to the right ear. A bunch of these idiots know to smooch the right asses, because to most normal, thinking people they sound dubious as fuck and would never trust these types.

Being a CEO has everything to do with connections. Simple as.

>>724576912
Change your browser and search engine and you're golden

>>724547173
>do the most normal shit
>entirety of competition take their feet clean off with a shotgun
>actually cannot comprehend building something not built to fuck the consumers mouth at the word go
>EGS spent 1.5 Billion Dollars on TIMED exclusives before realizing maybe they should have spent that on actual exclusives
>GOG realized early on they couldn’t really compete 1:1 so they just do their best and appeal to oldfags by having each of their older games come bundled with patches
Steam having a accidental monopoly is always so funny, its not even anything really special it’s just all their competitors are so mismanaged they can’t do anything without 30+ upper management guys sticking their dick into whatevers going on and fucking it up completely for no discernable reason other than John McMoney wanting to put his input into the company to show his 6 digit weekly income has to have effort put into it (it does not) and he as a human being is important (he is not)

>>724580272
using firefox and ddg already

>>724572980
>Then, after buying Twitch, we created our own PC games store
>Our assumption was that gamers would naturally buy from us because they were already using Twitch
The way the brains of these absolute fucking retards operates is beyond human comprehension

>>724547190
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxyL3Ymbwn4

>try to be the new pong
>end up being the new pogs

LMAO

besides the game breaking bugs at the start i honestly dont get why new world wasnt more popular later on. the combat was pretty unique and once it clicked it was so fun. a shame

>>724572980
>here's why:
lmao faggot so useless he even used chatgpt to write this slop, everyone of those managers are nepobabies

>>724548563
Hiring from the street would unironically have a better success rate. On the street you might come across an actual gamer who actually understands the market. You could literally give anyone on /v/ free reign and a couple billion and Steam would be overtaken in like a decade. Well, assuming he doesn't just pocket the money and run, that's what I'd do.

>>724556979
Cool it with the antisemitism.

>>724575439
you weren't even alive back then

>>724571294
kek

>>724546965 (OP)
>this will let us compete with steam

>>724567581
because steam is not a monopoly but they themselves are