Thread 724608859

why

ok but what if the gacha is generous and lets you get the character if you do your dailies for 3 months. then it's good or something

in street fighter, I will face the new character with busted moveset even if I don't buy it
in gacha, I don't need to buy shit, but SEA monkeys will pour their life savings and the devs will get rich, not my problem tho

>>724608859 (OP)
The former really only happens with fighting games. In theory, you're not getting more powerful characters, just different ones (obviously, balance is an issue, and whether there's literal S tier characters compared to others is a result of developer competency). It's still nickel and diming you and scummy, but it's not P2W.
Gachas, on the other hand, allow people to pay to skip the grind. They accelerate their play by spending money to skip the work. That's P2W, because free people have a disadvantage by nature.
Your pic has Dobson levels of strawmanning and victim complexing.

>>724608859 (OP)
gacha costs 0

You don't have to pay for gacha to get those characters if you are conservative with your in-game currencies. You will always have to pay for a $15.99 DLC though.

it isn't reasonable, I don't pay for it

>>724608859 (OP)
Gachaslop almost universally plays like shit and has nothing even close to a competitive scene (if they even allow you to fight other players). That's why they get away with it.

>>724608859 (OP)
one game is a gacha, the other isn't

>>724609862
>>724610194
It costs time which is more important

>>724608963
In most gachas character banners last for 2 weeks so you'll have to wait a good while for them to be available again to roll for.
This is also assuming other character banners don't tempt you to roll while you wait.

>>724608859 (OP)
yea but there's a 0.001% chance i roll the character in one shot for three dollars! i'll save 12 whole dollars if that happens!

>>724610564
not if you play gacha games

>>724608859 (OP)
Ok but are you gonna go to the party and have sex or play tf2 tomorrow

>>724611042
Elite ball knowledge

I AM SILLY

>>724611874
What

both are shit

>>724610773
Just play a foresight gacha and save your gems. You don't have nigger tier impulse control right anon?

>>724612716
What

>>724608859 (OP)
Gacha players are subhuman, who cares

>>724609420
Lol, don't look up AOE2 and the Khitans.

>>724610564
Time is insignificant

>>724608859 (OP)
Actually I gladly paid for Blazblue Entropy Effect's DLC characters. Helped that it was purely PVE, of course.

>>724608859 (OP)
Gacha players are retarded why are you even asking

>>724608859 (OP)
Because your daddy liked touching your no-no parts.

>>724608859 (OP)
gachas are more casinos than videogames
kinda like counter strike or fifa
the videogame part is secondary

>Game on left would get maybe a handful of 2 hour DLCs and be dead in a week
>Game on the left also doesn't fucking exist, name one
>Game on the right gets every 4-6 weeks for the next 5-10 years that is free
>People don't actually think the monetization is reasonable they just deal with it

>>724615218
Okok

>>724608859 (OP)
If you didn't ride the short bus like a gachafag this wouldn't need to be explained to you.

>>724616378
I am dumb

>>724608859 (OP)
Both are trash
If a player has to pay to get something up to date with the meta of the game or straight plain better than everything else before then it's P2W
Sadly most games with microtransactions barring a couple examples are P2W

>>724615084
CS? Really?

>>724608859 (OP)
Name a single video game that adds a magical girl as a DLC character please

Why do anti-gachafags pretend you have to pay for gacha games?

>>724617564
yeah
chinks killing themself over counter strike nfts

>>724608859 (OP)
PvE, and also you can get character (strong) for free in gacha.

>>724617564
Yes

>>724608859 (OP)
>IM SILLY!!!!!

>>724608859 (OP)
Because Gacha players already know what they're getting into. Non-gacha players play non-gacha games explicitly to avoid this kind of shit.
Also, different price/product differentation strategies will hit consumers differently.

Imagine there're two types of players: f2p and p2p.
>f2p want the character, but they don't want to spend real money, they'd exchange their time instead.
>p2p don't mind spending money.

If there's a single box price for the character, then the price has to be low enough to entice some f2p to pay, but some will still be unwilling to pay and instead they'll avoid that content entirely. Of course they'll complain while they're at it. If there's a gacha mechanic or something similar, all f2p players have access to at least a fraction of the character (C0R0 character). They're better off here than in the single box price. Now they at least have something and could pay with a resource they're more willing to let go of. But p2p are worse off because the pricing strategy doesn't care about poorfags.

Because nobody takes gacha seriously, only retards and addicts play this shit.
It's like saying
>dying to random shit in video game is somehow bad
>while losing all your money in a casino is okay

>>724608859 (OP)
non gacha you already paid 40 dollars
gacha you start playing fully aware of the business model

>>724614006
He means you should play a gacha where the original version is a few months ahead of the global version, which gives you ample opportunity to save up for shit in the future that is either meta or makes your cock hard.

>>724608859 (OP)
GAcha isn't games, it's just a trap for gambling addicts

>>724608859 (OP)
Because left is almost exclusively applied to games with PvP elements (like fighting games) and expects you to have already spent $60 to even play the game in the first place so it just exploits your sunk cost fallacy since those $60 you have "invested" are now worth shit since that new character will over-dominate all the characters you have.
Tekken is probably the most shining example of that shit with multiple DLC characters per game completely dominating for the patch they're released with.

Meanwhile right is often a free to play without PvP element to pressure you into have the most optimal character available.

You know you're stuck in an extremely greedy fucking genre when even gachas pressure you less into shoving money in it to get the latest powercreep.

>>724608859 (OP)
I love being weak and actively scraping together scraps to reach strength

>>724608859 (OP)
>killing 3 people is okay because killing 20 people is actually evil

>>724608859 (OP)
Right is free if you're not an impulsive child. Unsurprisingly /v/ appears to have a problem with that.