Thread 724640232

I'm about to play video games on ketamine. What am I in for?

Why not play video games on kpop instead?

>>724640232 (OP)
>snorting fiberglass
A bad time

idk i have never done k

>>724640281
She spent millions on that surgery

wait, the pink ones are just dyed bullshit for retards? Also, do you smoke it, inhale it or mix it with water?
I tried the latter and it was a hell of a crash

>>724640232 (OP)
That's MSG buddy boy

>>724640232 (OP)
You won't be playing anything you're just going to be hitting random buttons while you fall into a k hole because you overdosed.

>>724640232 (OP)
if you didn't cook it yourself you're in for a nice trip, you will go from a k-hole to the emergency room
you did cook it yourself, right anon?

>>724640281
>deleted
mods = based

>>724640232 (OP)
I beat all of Deus Ex Mankind divided and a lot of Cyberpunk PL (second play though), you will get really really into the story and possibly feel emotions your character is portraying, Space Marine 2 for example when I first played it and blasted some k (I IM inject it) I felt the rage that Titus was feeling and it felt good

>>724640436
>he mixed it with water and drank it

based retard

>>724640415
Probably not, she didn't need much changed.
>>724640498
Not a mod, I wasn't banned.

>>724640621
>I beat all of Deus Ex Mankind divided and a lot of Cyberpunk PL
ON K I meant to say, also note I havent dont K in a year I was super addicted to it and had to drop it.

>>724640436
Pink shit is cartel trash thats dyed and it's mixed with M and other shit. Ketamine you can snort or bang

>>724640436
>pink
sorry you got fooled anon

you're supposed to cook it first. add water and boil it until it's solid again, then crush it to a fine powder (those needles will cut your nose literally).

then you snort it.

>>724640232 (OP)
very fun, i had the chance to DISCOVER disco elysium while under ketamine, what an experience

>>724640701
These newfags only delete things they don't like, they never cared about the rules. What can you do?

I fuckin' love ketamine. Not a good drug for gaming thoughever. Just snort it until you hole or I.M. it if you are hardcore.

yo newjanny, the kpoptroon is back >>724640697

>>724640697
ew what the fuck

>>724640790
I.M I got down to a sceince when I used to do it. 0.1 per shot and you're in golden town, not knocked out and feeling good.

>>724640232 (OP)
It's going to be fun. I get drunk and play video games I also watch films its s0 much better. Also you dont remember most of it so of youbpkay it sober it will be like playing the game for the first time

>>724640232 (OP)
ask elon

that shit looks like glass
why would anyone snort that shit

>>724640436
I swear vice docutry on the ink ones they put some shit in it that fucks up your brain and slowly makes you into a vegitable

>>724640701
UHHH.... BASED DEPARTMENT?!

>>724640764
>>724640697
Wish I had a job where I have sex with pop stars and celebs especially kpop members from new and old groups. Would like to have sex with the girls from snsd. Or just have a job where it's my job to take there virginity. I can dream lol

>>724640835
Nothing gets past you!
>>724640845
What do you mean?
>>724641040
Sounds like a kpop company CEO, you might even get away with it as a manager.
Do your best, I believe in you!

just chug robotussin instead

>>724640701
based, kpopnigger is a trigger-happy autistic fag

>>724640764
arent you the same?
>buh im not a janny
you still only shit up offtopic threads you dont like

I miss cocaine

>>724641101
I dont like plastic surgeries thats all
I thought she was a natural but I guess there are no natural korean women

>>724640232 (OP)
Drugs are for sub-humans.

Be a better man.

>video games on ketamine
this makes you instantly gay, btw, and it can't be reverted

>>724640232 (OP)
You cant play videogames on ketamine you need to play them on a PC or videogame console

Dumb druggie

>>724641149
I'm not bothering anyone who want to discuss video games.
These threads are for offtopic funposting yet I'm the only one punished. Curious!
>>724641216
She is a celebrity. There are no natural celebrities in any part of the world.

>>724640232 (OP)
Death probably.

>>724641260
>I'm not bothering anyone
you're bothering me
stop posting, nigger

>>724640232 (OP)
what kind of faggot uses ketamine to play PC games? go to a dance club or techno party you fucking loser lmao

Are there any drugs that are mild enough that you cannot really get addicted to them? Ritalin?

>>724640232 (OP)
Blood in your urine

>>724640641
i was a teen and only read online you could dilute it with water and drink it.
Got so high i ended up writing a 40 page FFIV fanfic that got lost between computers. fuck

>>724641321
If you had an attention span longer than a drunken toddler you might have noticed the part about video games.
You aren't talking about video games.

>>724640759
for me it's the nasal spray
>very easy to dose
>no need to be stealthy on the floor
>doesn't fuck up your nose
10/10 experience

>>724641462
melty alert

>>724641421
most classical psychedelics are not physically addictive (although i would not call them mild, unless you're into microdosing)

>>724640232 (OP)
A terrible experience where you won't even be able to properly recollect what the fuck you did in-game afterwards.
Maybe you'll recall some broad strokes such as "I had a good time", but what the fuck does that matter if you can't even properly recall what you actually did in the game?

Drugs suck so bad.

>>724640232 (OP)
I have 600mg of this in the cabinet but have never done it before. I love dxm which I understand to be similar in that they are both dissociatives. I don't think its the kind of drug you play games on. At least at the doses I am interested in. I want a full out of body experience, dreaming while awake laying on the rug. If I want to game on a psychedelic it's usually LSD (+MDMA)
On the topic of MDMA, I still have some of that left over, too. Does that combo with the ketamine at all?

keta meme

>>724641528
Ah, the newfag version of "u mad." A classic.

Why is talking about drugs on the internet so insanely fucking cringe bros?

>>724641630
Because you could be talking about kpop instead!

>>724641630
god forbid a man has a hobby

>>724641630
Wouldn't be so bad if most people using drugs weren't certifiably retarded. I miss 420chan because I don't know where else to go to have unfiltered discussions about drugs. That board was very good as it was gatekept hard with all the tards left to the weed and opiate boards, and any "duuude we're all made of the same atoms" newfags get bullied.

BVSED mods, the kpoptroon is back
a rangeban is in order methinks

>>724641479
wait so the Vic Nasal Stick shit having M is true?
brb

>>724640734
congratulations anon on your sobriety

yes my personality is to spam kslop imagines on an anonymous board

ketamine connoisseur here. it's borderline impossible to play vidya on any respectable dose of k. try music with your eyes closed instead, hopefully with nice headphones. anime can be cool too
I don't like low doses though, I gotta hole every time
vr headsets are fucking sick on k
t. intramuscular chad

>>724641750
So it was a no fun allowed board?

>>724641776
>>724641879
Well, why shouldn't you be rangebanned then? You are posting in the same offtopic thread as me.

>>724641952
i'm not spamming like an attention whore faggot

Nice try

>>724641880
>vr headsets are fucking sick on k
This might be my plan then when I first try it. What kind of experiences in particular? I don't even own any VR software where you can just lay down and chill, its all games.
>>724641910
Gatekeeping newfags is not "no fun allowed." It's critical to keeping board culture alive and keeping out normalfags. Just like no one here wants career casual cod players, no on 420chan wanted the junkie sublime percocet addicts who beat their trailer trash girlfriend.

>>724641880
I've done C while playing Buckshot Roulette and it was hell on earth. Amazing experience.
Shame i lost my contact right about when the multiplayer released

DUUUUUUUDE

>>724641421
this thread is about one. k can be used very responsibly, unless you're already a drug addict and treat k the same
it's also one of the safest drugs on earth and one of the most beneficial. you cant overdose on k unless it's laced with something or you're mixing opiates/benzos/alcohol with it
>>724642031
I don't really have any recommendations for vr stuff I had my headset like 5 years ago. think I just found some cool vr shit on YouTube mostly. and there was a cool spaceship fighting game I tried that I can't remember the name of (and there's surely much better shit out there now)

>>724642008
You keep replying to me, we are having a chat. You posted just as much as me in this thread.
Don't forget to check your spam folder for your janny application letter!

I LOVE NIGGER WEED

>>724641421
nope and if you're gaming you're already an addicted personality (gambling addicting)

>>724642159
Fair enough, I guess I'll find some stuff labeled as an "experience" as well as give regular music a try. I didn't realize it was such a short trip compared to DXM. Hopefully 600mg is enough for a good 3 experiences or so. When I tried DMT on two separate occasions I could never blast off but I might have just been internally a little scared.

>>724642175
>Don't forget to check your spam folder for your janny application letter!
you sure would love that huh wannabe janny
tell me, do they keep rejecting you?

Use the following drugs for these games:

Fast paced skill based games - Dextroamphetamine
Slow paced strategy focused games - Dextroamphetamine
Horror games - shrooms/acid
Braindead easy chill games - THC

Anything else is pointless.

>>724640232 (OP)
Don't do drugs, kids.

>>724641260
I dont see you in twitter screencap threads for some reason

>>724642352
I wouldn't know, I never applied. I don't associate with newfag cancer.
You are the one calling for mods like some kind of hall monitor.

>>724641421
asking about non-addictive drugs and you bring up legal meth lmao. absolutely not. anything cool or fun is gonna get you hooked either physically or psychologically. the safest drug i can think of is caffeine. brew a pot of coffee or put the kettle on and have a cuppa tea

>>724642335
600mg with no experience will definitely get you right a few times. it's short compared to dxm but while you're blasted it feels way longer. I fucking hate dxm but k is my favorite thing
I was the same way with dmt the first times I tried it, both poor technique smoking it and being a pussy. I finally blasted off when I tried a vape pen of it

>>724640232 (OP)
Monosodium glutamate is a hell of a drug

>>724641421
mushrooms aren't mild but nobody gets addicted to them. I guess small doses of mushrooms are pretty mild

>>724642509
>ritalin
>legal meth
shut the fuck up retard. /v/ posting their retard opinions about shit they have no experience with goes beyond just games I see

>>724642370
>Horror games - shrooms/acid
The fuck, do you want to give me a heart attack?

>>724640407
it's really nothing special

>>724642509
I don't really mean "non-addictive", I know all drugs that make you feel good are addictive to some degree. I just mean something that won't ruin your life.

>>724642597
you had shitty k and/or didn't do enough of it. literally nobody who's actually k-holed has this opinion

kpoopxis, the thread is still up!! spam more plastic whores!!

>>724641421
>Ritalin
Stims are horrendously addicting. If I buy Adderall it pretty much only gets used to fuel benders. Like 2 nights and 3 days usually I'll stay up just popping another 20mg every 4-10 hours, depending. It is a fun drug but if you don't know how to control yourself it'll be every weekend you're doing it, eventually bleeding into your work week. That is when you know you need a long break. You've already probably heard online that cocaine is no better. You go lower level, think nicotine? Everyone knows that's addictive. I genuinely do not think a stimulant exists that isn't addicting. I settle for coffee now most weeks.

>>724642595
If you're too weak to enjoy the horror then don't fuck with it. I played Hellpoint high off my kit on shrooms. Maybe it was because I was playing with a friend it wasn't so bad but it does make the audio that much more immersive.

>>724642440
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/722734682
Because I'm not here to post in every offtopic thread, I'm just here to post Miyeon in threads to have fun.
I do post in a lot of twitter threads because they don't belong here but it's hard to search for my own posts since I rarely mention her name.
Lurk moar!

I had no idea what to expect taking MDMA the first time. I thought I'd just play some games but feel a bit wired.
Ended up dancing in my room for 7 hours.

>>724642760
to which music?

>>724642370
I don't play horror games but spending an acid trip playing Hotline Miami with nice headphones was one of the best trips I've ever had (and I've had a lot)

>>724640232 (OP)
Everyone in here is a subhuman druggie. Hope you all overdose. Society has no place for worthless shits like you. Heil.

>>724642595
Shrooms I don't really fuck with, but LSD and videogames go crazy. I love playing Quake on acid, personally. I feel like I'm going "Dock Ellis" mode almost, for lack of a better term. Worth a web search if you don't recognize the name.

>>724642796
Machine Girl

>>724642760
MDMA is not good for games, it's good for socializing.

>>724642706
Your nerves/synapses must be really fried

>>724642834
Hitler did meth you ignorant fuck. jews are the ones who won't let you do ketamine, acid, and shrooms btw. going your whole life without trying them is letting them win.

>>724642760
When I didn't have any adderall but wanted to pull an all nighter I tried to use MDMA in its place. It is an incredibly boring drug on its own. If you aren't with a group of people you need some LSD for taking MDMA to be meaningful.

>>724641219
>drugs are for subhumans
>every developed nation has a gigantic drug problem from top to bottom
your country is run by and inhabited by "subhumans"

>>724640232 (OP)
have you played games drunk? its like that except only your brain is instead of your whole body like with alcohol, not worth it imo

>>724642908
Not at all, I've just conditioned and desensitized myself to fear and anxiety so I know how to suppress them.

>>724642592
buddy i've been on every single type of legal speed you can think of, currently on vyvanse. meth is a bit of stretch but the fact of the matter is they're amphetamine salts. i know what i'm consuming on a daily basis, and i'm 100% addicted to it, and that's just fine by me. without chemical assistance i'm essentially a breathing corpse anyway so it's a step up for me. i accept any and all potential drawbacks, side effects, and damage to my brain and body as long as it helps me hold down a steady job

>>724642946
Everybody did meth at the time, it had just been invented and everyone thought it was a wonder drug that could make you alert and productive for days. Which is true, but it also fucks you up. People know about the Nazis having meth chocolate, but that was pretty standard for everyone at the time. Ever heard of that Finn who skiied away from the Soviets for like a week ODing on meth the whole time?

>>724642946
Jews overly demonize stimulants because they know how powerful the average man is when amped up. Like you said, Hitler took it himself. We give crazy uppers to fighter jet pilots whose lives are valued in the millions. They are safe when used correctly.

>>724641591
if youve never taken it before then you dont know what youre talking about because even half of that would have you flat out on the carpet seeing pink and green clocks while you swear to god your legs dont work and then a friend tells you to get a move on cos youre all walking home and suddenly your legs work perfectly fine

>>724642848
hell yeah, acid kicks ass. i'd add that to the list of basically harmless, mostly beneficial/fun drugs. just don't do to much of it if you're not used to it like i did my first time during a camping trip where i happened to pitch my tent directly on top of a wasps nest

>>724640701
kill yourself kpoop tranny

>>724643068
>Finn who skiied away from the Soviets for like a week ODing on meth the whole time?
I think about him a lot. When I'm particularly high and can feel the sensations from my imagination, I try to envision a particular part of his scenario. During his little excursion running from the soviets he ate nothing but pine cones and eventually an entire bird, raw. Imagine the mindset. You aren't a doctor but you know your body is craving fats and protein after eating nothing but pine cones for a week. You aren't hungry at all because you're stimmed up like a motherfucker on the whole squad's meth supply. You force yourself to just eat the fucking bird raw. I'm actually going to throw up if I keep thinking about it.

>>724643068
>making excuses
lol

>>724642980
I dunno man I felt like a million dollars even on my own. But I always try drugs at home with GF trip sitting before doing them on a night out.

>>724643213
nothing brings me more joy than giving someone their first acid experience, I miss being young. I haven't tripped in 5 years and haven't tripped with other people in ~8 years

>>724643248
That was clearly not me and I'm not trans.

>>724643249
It probably didn't even taste that bad to him considering how physically hungry he must have been.

>>724643193
Of course I don't know what I'm talking about, I mentioned as such. I'm just comparing it to the dissociatives I have taken, which I understand are supposed to be similar. The end goal with all these kinds of drugs is to have an out of body experience.
>>724643321
Maybe you're depressed. Just kidding. Unless?

>>724643249
I've heard that people stranded at sea develop a strong craving for the eyeballs of fish, there's some nutrient in there that's scarce at sea, and some instinct in the body knows it.

>>724640701
Good, drugs are /v/-core.

>>724643365
>Maybe you're depressed.
Na, I'm completely normal.

>>724643371
>develop a strong craving for the eyeballs of fish,
That reminds me of some random outdoorsman survival tidbit I picked up on. If your only source of meat is rabbits you as well have to eat the eyes and even brains or you just don't get enough fat. Brutal stuff, glad I can just chill at home and take drugs and game.

>>724643380
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mPqycQ0tQ
So is kpop. If you haven't heard this song you are too new.

Must be a massive shock to the system of the straight-laced Christian election tourist that comes across this thread talking about substances they will never encounter in their sheltered life. They will say something like "drugs bad!!" before drinking themselves into a stupor and signing another petition to ban porn followed by a porn session rubbing themselves raw.

>>724642848
>Shrooms I don't really fuck with
why not? best drug IMO

>>724643213
>my first time during a camping trip where i happened to pitch my tent directly on top of a wasps nest
brutal lmao

kpop is gay because jap music is better
https://youtu.be/tiOsxjZhGJI

>>724641421
Psychedelics such as shrooms or LSD. I wouldn't call them "mid" as their effects can be pretty strong, but psilocybin doesn't get you addicted. You can't overdose on them either. Not all psychedelics are safe.

>drug and kpopniggers
Kill youreselves

>>724643345
>Cho Mi-yeon fell for the Labubu scam.

cringe

>>724640232 (OP)
I once played the ketamine mission in GTA5 on ketamine, it was great

>>724643338
about the same for me then. well, let's just say i haven't had an enjoyable trip in 5 years. just recalled that i accidentally did a heroic dose of 2c-b and flipped the fuck out at my local karaoke bar about 3 years back lol. no more of that now, all i do now is sip on sake with the wife and i gotta say i prefer it. getting old sucks but maybe it actually doesn't

>>724643549
The chitin hurts my tummy and I feel more cognitively impaired while on them. I think they are better suited for festivals or hanging out with friends. If I'm just trying to get high solo I find acid works better for me for trying to achieve those kinds of headspace that lsd/shrooms produces. Gaming on shrooms vs gaming on acid is the biggest example, for me. I can compete on acid, play to my rating in ranked games or above. Shrooms...no chance. Though I've always wanted to try picking my own in the woods and just eating them there to induce some "one with nature" shit.

>>724641750
>any "duuude we're all made of the same atoms" newfags get bullied
Oh god. I can't imagine what a drug board with 2 layers of irony would be like. It sound insufferable to not just talk sincerely and feel the need to be above it all.
We really are all made of the same atoms, albeit.

Ketamine is a drug for girls or fags. Its best usecase is snorting it to the point of becoming a fucktoy.

>>724643602
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzC4hFK5P3g
Why not enjoy both? Why does it have to be a competition?
>>724643646
Not the first of its kind, they like collecting these things and it's not like it's going to put a dent in their wallets. Hyeri is very pretty!

>>724643712
I once did a heroic dose of 2c-t-7, nearly died. Never over do that one, it's deliriant in heavy doses, also stay away from strong doses of any deliriant

>>724641630
Because you can smell the lowlife from across the screen. And when you call them what they are they get insanely defensive.

>>724643712
Based 2c-b chad. best sex drug known to man. 2c-e was amazing too, that was my first psychedelic
ever done MXE or other dissociative rc's? that's my favorite drug ever
agreed on the last part, I'm happier now being sober and spending time with my 3 year old desu. Haven't done any drugs or weed at all in 4 years
and I used to be a heroin addict so I had a rough time throughout my 20s

why do stimulants seem to barely work on me and also give me awful comedowns

>>724642834
>>724642946
>>724643068
Blindly following anyone is idiotic,you can agree with Hitler on certain things but not vegetarianism and drugs usage.
Form your own world views,never follow blindly but with criteria

>>724643874
nta, I fucking love MXE, that was the shit

>>724643896
where did I say i formed my worldview based on it? that anon is the one who ended a post shitting on all drugs with "Heil".
>>724643915
my fucking guy. I'd kill for some man

>>724643896
I like Hitler and drugs, that's just the way it is. He was also right about environmentalism and animal rights/protection.

>>724643995
>I'd kill for some man
same

I miss /drugfeel/

>>724643834
god damn that shit sounds like nasty business. i'm lucky it wasn't that i was given, the state i was in i would've consumed anything. the extent of my trip was just sweating my ass off, feeling paranoid bc i knew like half of everyone in the bar and i didn't want to get busted doing weird drugs on a tuesday night and walls breathing and carpet patterns moving around etc. it looked pretty much exactly as that one scene in fear & loathing actually, never experienced anything like it with any other drug. probably would've been a lot of fun in a safe and secure setting

>>724641614
This bitch kinda gross looking. She needs to wear heavy make up badly. She ain't one of them natural good looking girls

>>724644031
Baste, also love drugs and Hitler. It's a pity people see him as an evil person

>>724643893
Don't work how? If I am not careful stimulants just make me do my usual routine but with a ton of extra dopamine. Like scrolling youtube shorts and posting on /v/. But if I force myself to launch a game I get super locked in. I am able to more easily juggle multiple things in my head at once. I don't forget as easily. I can think and plan ahead easier.

>>724644075
I genuinely believe it going extinct is a conspiracy because it was literally the ultimate drug in every way. totally functional and performance enhancing at lower doses, zero addiction or hangover even in massive excess, it was just too good for this world
have you read the vice article about the guy who first synthesized it? he had phantom limb pain that only ketamine helped but he knew with k's short duration and effects on the bladder that he couldn't use it long term in the amounts he needed. so he literally created mxe to cure his own ailment, and it worked. it lasts 3x as long as k, has a less intoxicating effect at medical doses, and was exponentially safer on the bladder
that guy is my hero
article is "interview with a ketamine chemist" iirc

>>724643835
consider the opposite side of the coin where youre all just having a drink and a smoke and the shitcunt little brother walks in with his bible and starts talking some shit about how everyones going to hell for 5 minutes straight.

You dont seem any more reasonable for walking into a situation you hate and crying foul as loud as you can. I imagine if you go into a low income neighbourhood and start talking about "niggers" theyll probably get defensive too. or offensive

>>724644260
>It's a pity people see him as an evil person
He's responsible for the death of more white men than anybody else in history.

>>724643834
>also stay away from strong doses of any deliriant
Sometimes i take 200-250mg dph as pain relief. Shit could make you sleep off a gunshot wound. I honestly love when drugs make you delirious, its a feeling you don't typically get in your day to day.

>>724644221
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXWEZT0fVYY
I think she is pretty but even if you don't like her looks she has a lovely voice.

>>724644260
>but my spirit will rise from the grave and the whole world will know that I was right.
trust the process.

>>724643874
nah never done anything like that. in terms of benzos i haven't touched much other than too much xanax and uhh some other benzo whose name escapes me. i was hooked on 4-cmc for a bit, cathenones are a fascinating class of drug. it did a number on my nose and, to an extent, my brain. made me super paranoid, ended up flushing about an ounce down the toilet during a psychotic episode and never picked up any more since. glad to hear you've also chosen the path of love and reason, anon. god bless

>>724643541
its insane because their folk heroes are literally billionaires and politicians who either preach the gospel about psychedelics or secretly inhale metric fucktons of cocaine before meeting with congress. like they HAVE to know their worldview is directly opposed by the people who gave it to them in the first place.

>>724640232 (OP)
"Be smart, don't start."
"Winners don't do drugs."

They teach you nothing?

>>724644420
wrong, you're thinking of Stalin and Churchill. All world wars were evil vile plots to stop the natural from happening and that's Germany being the rightful guardian and ruler of Europe twisting the natural order into this judeo-anglo clown world

>>724644420
he doesnt understand that he sees morals and ideals on bumper stickers instead of the truck actually hitting people

>>724644465
yeah cathinones are very strange, I did some 3mmc and another I can't recall the name of. never got super into them, but pyrro's (aphp, apihp, etc) are another sorta similar kind of thing and I did them for a while. fucking evil class of drugs man holy shit
God bless you too kind anon, I wish you the best

>>724644420
He tried to make peace again and again with Europe, but they kept saying no. He also thought America was pretty cool and that the US might even join his side if it came down to it.

>>724643773
this guy knows

>>724644596
It was about loving your own people more than the rest, not about hating anyone else. Don't let the winners rewrite history like this, anon.

>>724641614
>>724641462
uh oh, 2inch seanigger melty

>>724644760
I'm from Hungary.

>>724644346
You may be right and yeah I know the story about the guy

>>724644479
The moment you realize that those at the top are blasting drugs off their rocks you realize how hypocritical the whole system is and how religion is being used to dupe an entire population to rally against the wrong problems.

>>724640232 (OP)
Winners don't do drugs

>>724644596
Great evaluation of Hitler admirers. Well done.

>>724644341
it does have those effects on me but also feel as if the comedown immediately starts, like a rollercoaster of manic energy and feeling like miserable shit at the same time, as time passes the high stops being so high and recede but the lows stay the same

never thought I'd say this but based jannies for once

>>724640232 (OP)
What’s funny is if some fent is in there, you’re already dead.

>>724645612
test kits exist and are cheap and DNM's exist and are very reliable because of the review systems

>>724645138
Who do you admire?