Thread 724652904

I like this kind of 'remake'

It's not a remake, retard

Probably the best 'remake' I can think of.

>>724653106
>He doesn't know

>>724652904 (OP)
what the fuck does remake even mean at this point
is crisis core suddenly a remake because we see FF7 areas in HD?

>>724653183
I fuck your mom and we will remake you

It's more like a prequel

>>724653183
no one is confused about crisis core being a prequel, it's been 18 years buddy

>>724653430
You seem confused about your gender, tranny

>>724653106
>4 warriors of light are tasked by the king of corneria to restore the crystals and kill chaos
never heard that one before

>>724653760
Turns out none of the "5" people you have on your team are the warriors of light. This game is prequel not a remake.

>>724652904 (OP)
redpill me on this shit compared to nioh
The companions seem gay, the job system/fighting seems kinda gay as it looks like you only get one unique skill outside of combo enders unless you're a magic user

>>724652904 (OP)
What is with the paper motif in the cover?

>>724652904 (OP)
>it's ok when Japan does it

Its more of a prequel

>>724654487
>>724653106
It's a soft reboot. But while soft reboots are usually sequels, this one is a prequel. Like The Thing 2011

>>724654583
You can dismiss the companions and play 100% solo

>>724652904 (OP)
yep, a remake should reimagine the source material and make a new game ala SOP or ff7 remake. this trend of letting unimaginative, unskilled devs play around with the assets of classic games as "safe" cash grabs (demon's souls, thps series, oblivion) is insulting and the equivalent of letting an utter hack make a shot-for-shot remake of a kubrick film or whatever

>>724656284
not sure why you would ever
CUBES HERE

>>724656217
It's not a soft reboot. All of your actions lead to the beginning of FF1 You play as Garland and you orchestrate the arrival of the real Warriors of light at the dismay of the Lufenian plans.
If anything it's at least a tie in to Dissidia's story.

I want this with Jecht. Please. I want dadrock, son abandoning, sin-slaycreating adventures. All the pieces are there, FFX is decently popular still.
I wany it to really fuckijg suck when Auron chimps out at the Aeon revelation, I wasnt a sick ass Yunalecsa fight that feels like when the dark elf from SoP transforms and goes off. Let me have one more high quality game that has a beautiful beach and green fields to feel free and adventurous again.

>>724656871
i think a FFX prequel could be dope but what i really want is a game adaptation of the novel so i can see tidus' head get blown off during blitzbalk in cinema 8K only on PS6*

>>724652904 (OP)
It also failed spectacularly so that it really is the final entry for this kind of game. The real "Final" Fantasy.

>>724656832
Its more of a tie to Dissidia.
The Lufenian's "mysterious benefactor" is Shinryu. In the DLC, Gilgamesh mentions another version of Garland (classic FF1/Disiddia Garland), and the Emperor in the final DLC is clearly Disiddia Emperor.
SoP is just a multiverse story really. Its version of Cornelia has regions ripped right out of the other games.

>>724654487
neon doesn't count as a warrior of light. the rest are.

>the best story in a FF game
>the best combat in a FF game
>no funding
11/10

>>724657714
They arent the WoL at all. Sophia was originally on a different team and Neon is Cornellian - she was given Jack's old crystal (explaining her desire to become Chaos). If you did want tp argue any of them are the WoL, you'd exclude Jack. There being thee, and later five, is a minor plot point when people doubt them.

>>724654583
the job system is kino because you can cancel any special move into job switch frame 1
different weapons have different set-ups. you can equip specials after your combos, after charged attacks, after parries and so on. spear is the most free-form because you can do raw forward + attack or back + attack into specials, which is different from the combos. katana has a stance system for specials too.
compared to nioh you don't have a stamina bar so you can attack as much as you want. it's generally faster and more aggressive. not as many moves but they're very powerful and job swapping gives you a lot of control.

>>724653106
>>724653183
it's retelling of FF1 from a different angle, but I agree calling it reboot seems more fitting

>>724657890
they're playing with the fact that there's 4 party members and 4 fiends in ff1. jack isn't a fiend because he's garland. that's seperate to them having the light crystals which they go on a journey to restore, exactly the same journey in the same order with the same enemies as ff1.

>>724657890
>Sophia was originally on a different team
I thought she was part of Jack's team but as the first one to transform into a fiend the lufenians found out and cut her out not letting her return to Lufenia for the next cycle, but as a fiend she persists between cycles. This was incorporated into Jack's plan and Ash & Jed also turned into fiends but Astos hid that from his manager, allowing them to remain on the team

>>724658357
Yes, you are correct. It isn't explicitly spelled out but thats what happened. I believe that's also why they picked up Neon and had Astos give her Jack's stone.

>>724654583
It's Nioh but slightly worse and with a cool Final Fantasy skin that makes up for it.

>>724656217
You clearly dont know what a reboot is.

>>724658917
alien is a reboot of aliens

>>724652904 (OP)
That's not a remake.
That's a prequel to the 1st FF.

>>724656832
It doesn't. Lufenia in FF1 is wildly different from the Lufenia in SoP.

>>724658917
the star trek 2009 reboot is both a sequel and prequel to star trek because nothing matters
in vidya, see also mortal kombat 9

So what’s the deal with the Lufenian stuff in Stranger of Paradise? Was any of that actually in the original FF1?

>>724659939
Lufenia is a decimated country in FF1. Decimated because of Chaos/Garland.

>>724657438
At the end of the final DLC Garland gets the power to duplicate himself. Thus he leaves the duplicate to tend to the nurturing of the Warriors of Light. Prompting the events of FF1 into fruition.
While the real one fucks off to do Dissidia bullshit.

>>724659969
the super advanced race of lufenians were in ff1 but they didn't really say or do anything. SoP expands on them like it expands on garland, the fiends etc

>>724656832
yeah, the dlc in particular directly pits you against the warrior of light.

How good are black mages?

I thought Dissidia was the FF1 prequel.
The FF multiverse is confusing.

>>724652904 (OP)
better than Rebirth for sure

>>724660871
Dissidia is the multiverse fanservice where every game protagonist, antagonist and notable party members get to fight each other

>>724654583
Bullshit.
https://youtu.be/yK0qDY36jGg?si=bjZF_i-2au8xPDej

>>724652904 (OP)
I love this game. It's so fun and soulful. Need to get further in rifts

>>724660747
Really good if you know all the monsters elemental weaknesses to exploit them. When you can become Sage that's even better.

>>724660680
Yes. You beat him and do it all over again because he's not strong enough the first time. Then at the end of the game you do it again against a much stronger and harder version to open up the beginning of FF1.

>>724654583
The companions are gay and can be annoying to listen to but in combat they can contribute a lot with the right set up.
The job system is very different from Nioh's system so comparing them 1:1, it's hard to say which I like better. The SoP system feels very good though. You have lots of different abilities and skills you can add based on job/weapon and all the jobs have their own affinity bonuses (better set bonuses) which, by endgame, you can stack several of.
Instead of Ki, you have magic which you use to cast magic/use skills and you can otherwise spam combos endlessly.

>>724660207
In SoP it exists in an alternate dimension. It's not a fallen (but still surviving) civilization.

My back hurts, chaos must be nearby.

>>724652904 (OP)
Reminder that Jack is one of the most powerful characters in the franchise.

>>724661365
I love it too since Jack and WoL cucked Lightning out of being the strongest FF character. Nomura wanted this to be the story of a very angry man. An angry man who travels across various worlds. Not only is it a prequel to FF1, it is an edgy, kino version of Kingdom Hearts.

>>724662556
Wakka solos.

>>724658029
The only part that is a retelling is the fight between WoL and Garland. Everything else is an AU prequel.

>>724662707
That sounds good and all but did we really need more Nomura multiverseslop?
Lightning Returns is no better but still.

>>724662556
Isnt ff1 WoL stronger? Then Jack, then Zidane, then Ligntning, then what? Clive? Cloud?

>>724662723
>he doesn't know
Not only can Jack switch between job classes freely, but his soul shield gives him the properties of a blue mage, the strongest class, regardless of his current class. Wakka could try and petrify Jack with his Blitzball, but Jack can use soul shield to nullify and copy Wakka's abilities. FUCK, Jack Garland is OVERPOWERED.

>>724662858
FF has been a multiverse since the PS1 and SNES days. The Gilgamesh who appears in FFVIII is the same one from FFV. When FF does it, it's based because they are not chasing recent trends in media. Multiversal FF is organic and part of the vision of the original creators.

>>724653270
>I fuck your mom and we will remake you
damn this made me wheeze

>>724657853
No one cares about your flopshit.

>>724663010
That's why I said "one of" WoL in his final incarnation is stronger. But if you've beaten FF1, then you know that WoL's strength comes from the player not WoL himself. That's the beauty of Stranger of Paradise. It acknowledges the ending of FF1 and establishes that we've reached the final loop of FF1 by giving us control over WoL.

Therefore, it's WoL(You) > Jack > Goddess Lightning > Complete Clive > Cloud = Terra = Firion > Zidane

>>724657853
Everybody cares about your kinoshit

>>724659969
At best they were hinted to be a more advanced race. But there's next to no story in FF1, just very basic world building.

>>724663010
>Zidane above anyone
Retard.

>>724663323
>Zidane this low
He's literally a planet buster running from his destiny

>>724663323
Red pill me on Lightning. Isn't her godhood a one off thing? Woth her reseting the universe

>>724652904 (OP)
Remake? It's a prequel

>>724663561
Canonically solos a planet but doesn't want to.

I didn't like how the last few stages were totally made up locations just to fit in stages for XI and XIV. VI could have been the Flying Fortress if it were placed earlier, but it had cool progression so I'll give it a pass.
That XI themed level was total dogshit.

Love this guy.

>>724663714
Only speedreading retards that take everything literally think that.

>>724663934
The XIV stage was one if the first ones though.

>>724663989
Kino music in that hub
https://youtu.be/czwQam8G_7k?si=ucKXxnyA1LoKZIQM

>>724652904 (OP)
My favourite FF thought experiment is SoP on 16's budget vs 16 on SoP's budget

>>724663564
Zidane isn't a planet buster. Being the "Angel of Death" doesn't mean you can bust the planet. And Firion cannonically knows Ultima and has tanked Mateus's Starfall. He'd slaughter Zidane.

>>724664401
>Team Ninja mogged FFXVI's combat system even though XVI had a larger budget and that one nigga from Capcom
>STRANGER OF PARADISE ALSO HAS MORE RPG MECHANICS
Imagine if Team Ninja has their first leader. Itagaki + Nomura + Jack Garland... No, we were never ready for that.

>>724665378
I think itagaki would hate newer TN stuff.

>>724665435
I think he would love Nioh.

>>724665518
Maybe. I know I do. Stranger of paradise stands on it's own too in a way he might like. No idea how he felt about rpg elements. Think he'd hate wo long and ronin though.

>>724665051
>Being the "Angel of Death" doesn't mean you can bust the planet
This is literally what a full powered Kuja did

reached floor 200 rift and got my summon accessories. some of the most fun i've ever had in a game but it's starting to feel like a drag going through floors. anyone have fun builds? a bit sick of break duelist/gambler.

>>724665672
Kuja's trance wasn't normal since he absorbed A LOT of souls to gain that power. His trance is stronger than Zidane's especially when he defeats the party with Ultima.

>>724665978
Feel like rift crawling just turns into one shot builds regardless of where you start. Game has great combat mechanics but I guess it makes sense since most people don't make it that far into rifts

>>724665978
Why aren't you using Jack?

>>724666238
This. You should be using Jack in every game.

>>724664401
Budget isn't just development costs, it's also marketing, HR, rent and utilities etc.

>>724666179
yeah that was my problem with every build i see. one shotting is fun once or twice but i prefer to actually have to fight the bosses. hard to strike that balance

>>724666238

i was playing around with the characters since there's some tiny hitbox/attack range differences with them. i'm back to our boy

>>724666418

share code? just started learning nioh2 as well

>>724666714
>i was playing around with the characters since there's some tiny hitbox/attack range differences with them
That's interesting...

>Endgame Jack Garland build
>Final boss of the DLC
Based

>>724666714
Steam Code: S-AyE?YHvkuNBnz

Nioh 2 is easily top 5 game for me. Hope you like it

>>724656871
>Jecht being a cocky bastard while Auron is a stone cold badass in a character-action game
It would be so perfect, why does Square hate money?

>>724666614
Both studios are located in Japan, so unless you're suggesting that Squenix employees are being massively overpaid compared to KT employees I fail to see your point

>>724653147
Hitman contracts. It's like a deconstruction of remakes. The game takes place inside the main character's dying and drugged brain, he remembers his previous missions.

>>724668931
Contracts was crazy. Iirc they were weaving both remake missions and just new ones. All that canonically took place right after the paris opera mission in blood money too. It's been a while since I played either but I'm confident contracts felt less janky than the codename 47 counter part missions.

>>724668931
https://youtu.be/aJDBulaTfcA?si=Qfk0z2fQU0T3SGaT
Just look

>>724665672
Kuja cant naturally acheive Trance and used a fake one.

>>724668260
it definitely initially hooked me quicker than jack's game did, excited to get back to the part of the game with an actually filled out build though. i started with fists but my friends told me i was cheating doing so so i'm using 2kat now

>>724668815
Salaries change depending on the city as well.

>>724669738
All weapons are fun imo. My favourite is probably tonfa and kusa. I got to depths with those. Started my Jack character and now doing 1kat and spear.

>>724652904 (OP)
>>724658029
>>724656217
It's called a reinterpretation.

>>724652904 (OP)
Fun game.

I want a sequel to FFXVI focused on Jill and Torgal working as couriers in the post-magick world.

>>724666163
Yeah because thats what Zidane's trance is supposed to be if he goes all out.

>Ninja Gaiden 4 threads already dead
>Kino of Paradise thread popping off
All is right in the world

>>724663010
Arguably the version of Jack that took the Lufenian’s crystal and went with the Moogle to Dissidia might be stronger than WoL.

>>724671414
spear is probably the thing i'm most interested in after 2kat. i love any action combat game that lets you do goofy things with movement and it seems like spear has a lot of that

>>724669160
All living things can Trance, but Kuja's was so powerful because he used thousands of souls.

>>724664401
>SoP on 16's budget vs 16 on SoP's budget
every dissidia character as a boss
>16 on SoP's budget
you only get the teenage clive portion

>>724675474
Sad we didn't get that...

Should I play this if I hate modern (XII+) FF games? I've been itching for a JRPG and I finished Expedition 33 but it wasn't it.

>>724664000
Sorry, I mixed up XV and XIV.

>>724679446
It's not a JRPG. Its an action game. So that means the main game is short and the replayability is post game and DLC.

>>724652904 (OP)
I'm probably going back to it after finishing playthroughs on other games. It's just something that's so easy to come back to. Though they really needed to expand any character not named Jack or Astos, most of the characters are kind of forgettable, even your main party.

Also what's the best way to build Cyclic Warrior? I always wanted to try it since it feels like the "canon" final job for Jack.

>>724667483
>Jack Garland fight
>Oh cool, so I'm the WoL now
>watch as he suddenly starts applying buffs to himself and using Chaosbringer for his own benefit
I gotta admit, it was pretty fucking cool.

>>724669738
I feel like fists actually take a bit longer to get 'started' than some other weapons. I also recently started Nioh 2 with two separate characters and felt like Odachi was clearing faster. If nothing else, it's more versatile early game when you don't have as much ki to really allow fists to shine.

>>724680456
>It's just something that's so easy to come back to
I have to take meticulous notes to return to TN games because if I just load up an old save after not playing for a few months/years, I'll have no clue how I was actually playing my build / what my go to combos were for what enemies.

Is the writing actually as insane as the memes make it look like? Like that edit where he plays Limp Bizkit over a character's speech

>>724681267
>edit
anon i...

>>724681080
I mostly just do new playthroughs and decide what classes to mostly focus on and which one I'll main by the end. Makes it a bit easier.
>>724681267
Kind of. Jack is laser focused on killing Chaos, but there's a reason for it. To this end, he will basically force characters and bosses to shut up if the lore dump they're giving isn't Chaos relevant, either by telling them to cut to the chase or punching them. The lore is mostly stuffed at the beginning and end of the game, and while there's some biggish reveals, it's otherwise pretty tame. You mostly get lore from little data spheres and sort of piece it together. Also the whole Limp Bizkit thing makes sense in context, someone tells him Chaos is probably just an ideal over an actual being, and Jack simply refuses to acknowledge it and literally tunes it out by blasting the music. It's very on the nose but again, makes sense with the narrative.

>>724681267
To add to what the other poster (>>724681636) said.
The game isnt full of memes or those sort.of iconic CHAOS moments. Jack is just an extremely blunt character but he's logically consistent throughout the game. Hes a man who cares deeply about his friends but he expresses himself by being to the point and almost abrasive.
I think people like the game because, while it's utterly ridiculous and KNOWS its ridiculous, the game presents itself rather earnestly. It isnt cheeky or ironic. Its extremely sincere about what it is.

>>724682058
>the game presents itself rather earnestly. It isnt cheeky or ironic. Its extremely sincere about what it is.
This is something a lot of people, especially writers, really sleep on. Self-aggrandizing or self-aware writing is not the answer the stories that hard to take seriously on their face.
If anything, writing a very cheesy/chunni story that takes itself seriously can allow it to come full circle and become genuinely cool or at least endearing.
It's why the original Devil May Cry series works, hell, it's why TGT is so beloved. Even something like Kingdom Hearts would get far more hate if they were winking at the camera every five seconds going
>this is so stupid amirite gamers?

>>724682529
>is not the answer the stories that hard to take seriously on their face.
is not the answer to stories that are hard to take seriously on their face*

>>724652904 (OP)
I don't disagree in concept....but the dissidia shit is wildly retarded

>>724682687
the dissidia shit is cool and there's not enough of it

>>724652904 (OP)
I respect Jack's remake

>Played through SoP
>Loved it
>Decided to play through FF1 on the NES
>Actually pushed my way through it all.
>Playing SoP beforehand made the experience feel more complete

>>724668260
>S-AyE?YHvkuNBnz

i'm late but rip. i want to be jack

>>724686975
nevermind. it's beautiful

>>724652904 (OP)
where did everyone stall out in the endless dungeon? I consider myself pretty good at action games but can't make it past around 70, sucks cus I wanted to do atleast a bit of it on the Lufenia difficulty but you got to get to floor 100

>>724688358
Just grab a gun with starlight, ramuh summon effect, and put together a build that makes Starlight give infinite MP to easily cheese everything until several hundred floors down.

>>724689324
already figured all that out without looking it up and it still doesn't fully carry you that far at all.

>>724689459
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLBv9UdK3B4

>>724689543
wow I definitely am missing a bunch of cheese. Guess I should be happy I made it 70 while still actually interacting with the enemies lol

>>724652904 (OP)
oh when Jack does it it's fine and kino but when they do the exact same thing with pic related everyone loses their minds

>>724691635
SoP was not called Final Fantasy Remake, unlike the FF7 spin-off you are talking about.

>>724691635
not really the exact same since Jack's game is a prequel and that's a sequel but same ballpark I guess

>>724663051
XIV has constant events where they reach back into previous series entries, explained with multiverse shit. And they have collabs with other franchises that also explain away the fact that you have Nier Automata in FF, by using the multiverse excuse.
I feel like whenever FF does this shit, it's less about expanding on some thought out connected universe, and more about nostalgia bait. There isn't anything deep here guys, it's all just an effort for engagement and money.

>>724692439
cloud was in tactics, gilgamesh was in 8, shinra's great great great great grandpa was in 10, then dissidia just went all the way with it.
SoP is basically a dissidia game. all the backstory about garland and the lufenians is from there.