Thread 724653081

When does it get good?

it doesn't
it only gets worse lol

>>724653081 (OP)
When you first start it up

>>724653081 (OP)
Second hub imo
The first hub is prety much 'you're a retard who has no idea what's going on, so we assume you as a player, are also a retard and would like to have zero fucking story'

>>724653081 (OP)
When you first see the hot crazy bitch who Embraced you.

I just got to Hollywood and I am getting bored. I also dropped Deus Ex when I got to France.

>>724653663
I wonder what the lore reason is for every clan girl embracing you

>>724653081 (OP)
You want the truth? It doesn't. The first half of the game is the "finished" part that the devs looked at and said "yeah this is good." The second half of the game is a rush job that spirals downhill quick. VMTB is easily one of the shittiest memes that RPG fags claim is good. Zero build variety, no choices you make really matter, you're forced to side with the commie vamps, you can't kill everyone you meet, you can't kick a locked door in despite being all powerful, etc. It's a shit role playing game that hot topic visiting fags played when they were 14 and convinced themselves was good because they could beat off to the goth vampire's tits. Oh and the writing and humor are incredibly reddit as well.

>>724654154
everything you said was cringe

>>724653776
I'm just that special.

>>724653081 (OP)
Twenty years ago

>>724655849
It fucking sucked 20 years ago. Took a while for the repairs to be finished.

>>724653081 (OP)
on god at game is one b L. fortnite tho is fire no cap

>724654154
Nice b8 m8 I r8 it 0/0.

>>724653472
yeah everything after Downtown is dogshit. the best parts are Santa Monica and Downtown. Holllywood and Chinatown sucked my absolute dick

>>724654154
>Zero build variety,
Animalism Gangrel plays very differently from a Protean Gangrel. An Obfuscate Malk will play very differently from a Dementate or Auspex Malk. There's a good amount of build variety.

>no choices you make really matter
If you die in the game you die in real life.

> you're forced to side with the commie vamps
You can call them all retards and then side with the Camarilla.

>you can't kill everyone you meet
You can with console commands lol dumbass

>you can't kick a locked door in despite being all powerful
Blood buff lets you lockpick most of them instead

>>724656190
low key deadass on god

>>724653081 (OP)
In Santa Monica, and then it gradually declines.

>>724653081 (OP)
As soon as you decide to install the Basic patch and not the retarded Plus patch.

>>724653081 (OP)
When you uninstall and play the sequel instead

>>724657198
you mean redemption??

>>724653603
Was about to say this, although Santa Monica is fairly open
>>724653776
>>724654491
>Your neonate willingly shacking up with a Nosferatu
He's a freak

>>724656647
Man imagine a more Deus-Ex like rendition of the game where you can alternative break open doors with Strength checks

Honestly a pretty good gig

>>724658672
I enjoyed this quest way too much, playing as malk specced into guns, shooting the zombies is fun.

>>724658743
It's a neat quest. Also has a combat-free route where you either persuade a hooker to shack up with him that night or offer yourself.

>>724653081 (OP)
The main menu

>>724658179
I think Troika did want to implement something like that. There are a couple spots where you can break some metal bars if your strength is high enough but it's only used in like two places.

>>724660048
Wait really? I never knew this that's rather cool

>>724660289
Yeah one is by the art gallery, there are some bars in the parking garage across from the back door. And then in the downtown area where you find one of the victims of the serial killer, when you climb up the boxes there's another bar you can break there but you can just jump over that one.

>>724653081 (OP)

If you don't like the vibe of it, it'll never get better. That's the only reason to play, to exist in that world for a time.

>>724653081 (OP)
I like the first bloodlines but it has problems.
The waifus are great, but they arent especially important to the story and once you've done their storylines they might as well not even exist. Jeanette for example, the FACE OF THE GAME, is only really in it for the first bit of the first area and once youve done her story line, even with the rather difficult best possible result, she has nothing for you and there's no reason to even pop up and say hi now and again.
I terms of game design despite the fact that there are tons of different ways to play the game and different builds to try, the first half of the game requires you to be a diplomatic/persuasive lockpicking hackerman for the best outcomes, and the last half of the game throws ALL OF THAT out the fucking window and is focused on almost entirely on combat, with the final conflict being a gauntlet of tough enemies, followed by another gauntlet of tough enemies with a bullet sponge boss at the end, follwed by ANOTHER gauntlet of tough enemies and ANOTHER bullet sponge boss, who then changes forms into yet another bullet sponge boss.

>>724661272
>with the final conflict being a gauntlet of tough enemies, followed by another gauntlet of tough enemies with a bullet sponge boss at the end, follwed by ANOTHER gauntlet of tough enemies and ANOTHER bullet sponge boss, who then changes forms into yet another bullet sponge boss.
i've been working on a mod to buff some underperforming weapons and reduce bloated enemy health. it's pretty close to being done.

>>724661971
Shit Id settle for a room before the start of the sherrif fight with some ammo and bloodpacks, youd think there'd be some supplies or an armory in the Lacroix's tower somewhere since everyone and their mother is in running around strapped and ready to fuck

>>724660978
Damn that's pretty cool. Only happens in Santa Monica though? A bit unfortunate

>>724653776
Sex was that good they had to keep you forever

>>724662937
i think there are one or two ammo boxes somewhere in those levels if you search but otherwise it's just a real gauntlet. a major issue is the swat enemies had so much health though, like almost as much as the big sewer monsters.

>>724663024
The only one that really matters is in Santa Monica. The top one is near the art gallery backdoor and you can bypass Chunk this way.

The second one is in the downtown area where you can find the second serial killer victim later. There's a flaming barrel nearby on the other path and I guess Troika wanted you to have to walk over it if you couldn't break the bar but it can just be jumped over.

What's your opinion on vampires not enjoying sex unless they have high humanity? redditors seem to think it's stupid but I like it. Drinking blood is better than sex so they no longer desire to have it

>>724664013
Damn you really do learn something new about this game every year

>>724665096
There's nothing to say actively they don't enjoy sex but that rather low humanity vampires just can't into the sex, and even mid humanity ones need blush of life. It's just that when feeding feels so good, everything is pretty secondary to it. It's like having on demand heroin, sure you can fuck instead but more likely you're going to fuck while you're doing the heroin. But yeah, it's pretty stupid I agree

>>724665251
do nosferatu have sex with their mangled penises

>>724664013

These are Nosferatu bypasses, yes?

>>724665096
Vampires and seduction go hand in hand, even White Wolf has backed down on it over time. Reddit can say what it wants however it wants, but for me it's piping Jeanette daily.

>>724665096
I think it's stupid, to me vampires are THE high class sex monster, it's like making vampires who don't drink blood.

>>724665096
I used to be very autistic about this "no sex for vampires" rule back in the day, but at one point I eventually decided that I don't mind if the vampires have sex. It depends on my players. If they want to go that way - fine, I won't be a stickler about it.

>>724665825
I never thought about it but they probably would've benefited Nosferatu a bit more than the others.

>>724663220
gangrel girl really was an animal to me

What's with all these contrarians saying it's bad? You aren't uniqe or special or smart for hating a cult classic. You're just a bunch of fags saying retarded shit nobody cares about.

>>724667119

I imagine all of those were programmed in later because of testing Nosferatu and having trouble doing quests because people simply react to you negatively on contact, which is why other quests where that doesn't matter don't have as many alternate paths or ways to do it.

>>724667364
It's the new phase of the shilling for VTMB2, "old game was bad actually, it's a good thing the sequel is completely different".

>>724667519

The new game is what it is, what it lacks is the vibe of the first, which was that game's everything, from the music, the tone, and the characters. This new game shouldn't have even tried if it wasn't going to make an honest effort to match that vibe, and you can tell they mess up with that when they make the attempt with that radio station you hear when you leave the den for the first time, it's completely flat compared to Deb, and you know they tried to imitate it because it has a similar name.

>>724669731
It's not like it's a problem of resources, it's nepotism/ideological based hiring people without the talent to pull it off, the woman who wrote and voice acted for bet of night simply doesn't have the skills for either, but she's the community manager or whatever inside wod so she has to be the one doing it and no one else!

>>724670372
>nepotism/ideological based hires
I understand that a large amount of devs are unironically leftists and whatnot, but yeah it's like a damn echo chamber in those studios and the execs buy into it because they're similarly retarded/evil and got bribed. Ultimately I think the issue is that leftists feel as if they won so they chose to abandon all subtlety to their messaging outside of a few based devs, which is the main difference between leftists games that are still good today and before. Bloodlines 1 had subtlety and was actually willing to include everyone in their mockery or political messaging.
Also doesn't help that messaging has changed from legitimate questions on the nature of government involvement or liberalism but now it's
>Let us be gay and replace you and kill you
and
>isn't being gay so fucking cool fuck the straights

>>724665096
It's in the rules that feeding is way better, I don't need to invent some fanon for that. That some retards conclude from this that vampires can't enjoy sex at all is not my problem. Stop dragging plebbit trash in, while you're at it.

>>724665251
>low humanity vampires just can't into the sex
As we know it. If they get first tier blood bond for each other in process they can very much go wild.

>>724665096
>Drinking blood is better than sex so they no longer desire to have it
Or you could have both. Even crackheads can enjoy things outside of drugs every once in a while.

>>724672059
I thought the humanity chart explicitly sad that below a certain point it's no sex o'clock

>>724672704
>>724672059
The way i always though it works was that sex feels the same as it always had, you just need blush of life to get your dick up, but since drinking blood is better only vampires trying to stay in touch with their humanity even bother with it. it's why low humanity vampires don't do it, they don't really care about staying human

>>724653603
Help you with anything?

>>724657104
but i want all the extra xp points from the new quests

>>724653776
>Malkavian: You stopped taking your meds
>Gangrel: You never wash yourself unless forced
> Brujah: You're black
>Tremere: You post on /x/
>Nosferatu: You're blind
>Ventrue: You're Jewish
>Toreador: You're gay

>>724672880
Blush of life is needed to get your dick up if you're below 8ish I think, but at a certain point it doesn't even work for that iirc if your humanity is too low. But yeah I think your interpretation is correct, feeding is just THAT much better for both parties unless it's a Gio

>>724665096
Literally zero reason for them to ever have sex beyond a vain attempt at trying to hold onto the remnants of their humanity, so the high humanity requirement makes sense. Otherwise why the fuck would they ever do it when they can just magically charm kine into doing whatever they want and absolutely nothing compares to feeding anyway.

>>724665096
The only reason anyone would be upset over this is because they are a retarded gooner that is only interested in VtM for goonfuel.

you're telling me. there's a woman named 'rice'
and shes not asian?

>>724672547
The point, which the shitty screencap doesn't elaborate on, is that they don't usually bother. Spending blood to re-activate their genitals just seems like a waste to them. And then there are Paths.

>>724672704
Which edition and which section is it in (Characters and Traits, I assume)?

>>724674548
Characters and Traits Humanity for V20 though it actually might be V5 as well where I read it

>>724674548
>Which edition and which section is it in (Characters and Traits, I assume)?
on the V5 wiki i found this, not sure about V20

>>724674820
>torpor length for a low humanity fuck up is 50 years
Is this just your character getting retired? Though I know V5 is particularly cunty over blood potency and blood points

>>724674957
yeah i'd imagine if the torpor length is too long then you've got to make another character

>>724673231
>Tremere gf listening to the MC yap about fake paranormal stuff

>>724674645
Seems like you mean the last part of the Spending Blood Pool section and I think it's poorly worded, which somehow has survived every single fucking edition (picrel).
It means this thing as a whole, the looking and functioning as if it was alive again (breathing, warm and natural-feeling skin etc.), is not available to those on Paths. So those exceptions can't make their junk work using this way but possibly in other ways and nothing prevents them from trying to do it with what they have anyway. They just don't see the point as is mentioned numerous times in every edition, most of which do not have a PDF with fucking text search as far as I know.

As for
> V5
LMAO

Is UP Plus worth starting with?

>>724653776
you're that down bad you'd take your chance with someone who visibly hasn't slept, and probably washed, for years

>>724675629
No, UP has all the needed functionality and UP+ is the author's rendition of what the game should be which has a bunch of changes that make it kind of worse, like swapping the music around, increasing or decreasing enemy count, it adds a bit of cut content but not much iirc. Best to just engage with the regular up to enjoy the base game without delving into the community's autism like the Clan Quest Mod or the author's headcanon

>>724661272
>retard spent most of his XP on disciplines and not actual stats
>didn't leverage skill books either
ngmi

>>724675368
>some namefag won't stay the fuck out of your random threads about the demiurge, keeps asking where you live
Fucking hell living in Santa Monica I swear

>>724676162
>he leveled perception and wits past 2 instead of just maxing auspex

>>724653081 (OP)
Sorry, I'm still not going to buy bloodlines 2. I'm not even going to pirate it.

>>724675629
No. At this point the mod creator has made so many changes based on his own whims to both the basic and plus versions that you're better off getting the basic patch from 15 fucking years ago and just playing that. There's no need for anything beyond UP 6.0 really.

I'm reading picrel so far and I am enjoying it. Etrius: …no longer hold out any doubt, or any hope, that our ini- tial conclusions were mistaken. This is no illness we suffer, and be it a curse, it is one beyond any even our Father could bestow. What makes us Kindred is slowly being drawn from us, perhaps from the world entire, for this weakness is hardly limited to Clan Tremere. This, I fear, is why elders suffer it first, for they have further to fall, more power to lose. Our magics fail. Our very natures become corrupt. Our diviners find signs and portents everywhere they look. The Red Star burns. Omens resonate across the world. Powers walk the Earth that should not be; we can feel them—and worse, we can feel our own strengths drawn toward them. Barriers weaken: between worlds, between creatures, between the nature of things. And it is this weakening that may be our only hope, for if the line between what we are and what we were is blurred, it may yet be crossed once more. It is a foolish hope, a madman’s dream, but we must try. The Father is great, but he is not as they. He cannot protect us. When they come, we must not be what they seek. It is time. God, if your ears still hear the pitiable cries of one such as I, be merciful.

>>724654154
This anon speaks truth

>>724679906
has he added alternate non-combat routes for the unfinished parts of the game?

>>724654154
hot take but fair
besides, Redemption was better

Redemption has better gameplay than both bloodlines games unironically

do you keep your humanity or do you tank it asap

>>724682448
I keep it, but I should try tanking it and being a complete shithead

>>724653081 (OP)
when you turn it off and play nortubel instead

>>724682448
I'm more than likely to tank my humanity if I'm doing a Brujah/Gangrel run. Some histories for other clans will have me choose to tank it as well so it fits better, like Toreador's Beautiful Monster. Conversely, Gangrel's Pot Head is a guaranteed 10 humanity run for me.

>>724681946
this

>>724682659
Does Malkavian have unique dialogue to high and low humanity?

>>724682586
I was browsing r34 and found nortubel porn and it made me snort with laughter because of how many goddamn random nortubel posts I see in this shithole

>>724653081 (OP)
That's the neat part, it doesn't.

>>724682738
I played Malkavian once and I hated it, so I can't answer that.

>>724681946
From what little I remember of the gameplay it is real time without pause game which made controlling an entire party a nightmare.

>>724682936
>needs rtwp
pussy zoomer

>>724682936
You can pause, but it's a little awkward because it's the pause/break keyboard key, my hardest fight at this point was the golem and what I did was to equip everyone with crossbows and just kite with whoever is targeted and letting the other attack.

>>724682738
Yes, although I think the Dementation options stay the same

>>724683439
>You can pause, but it's a little awkward because it's the pause/break keyboard key
That's no big deal because I'm used to that key being used to pause games. What's really awkward is the game not receiving queued input like NWN does while paused. I don't remember if it shoves a modal window in your face to cancel the pause, but that characters can't be controlled I remember well because that's why I dropped it way back then.

>>724683489
Then the same is true for Ventrue's Domination, it's the same regardless of high/low humanity.

>>724683539
I like to lure enemies into the firing line of the other party members, don't really need to use pause.

Bloodlines 2 is a better game than Bloodlines. You should absolutely persist with the first game, but the sequel is better.

>>724684648
I dont like it because its set in modern modern times and aesthetically just reminds me of going outside and I hate where I live :(

>>724682893
I just picked this chick up in my playthrough, farthest I've ever gotten. The pathfinding in this game is so fucking awful it is testing me. But fuck do I want more VTM, is it worth it in the end?

The decision to not have the music loop in Bloodlines 2 is completely baffling to me. What were they thinking?

>>724684853
I don't know, I'm around the same part, I dropped it once because of the jank, but that was before I installed the fanpatch, it's very playable if you get into the right mindset and I'm warming up to it.

>>724685191
hmm, good to hear someone in the same boat. I'll endeavor then. I'm excited for the further bits, to be honest.

>>724684648
>>724685405
What is wrong with you and why do you keep using malapropisms?

>>724679924
>“A while ago, I was in Los Angeles. Right before the Cathayans began to vanish, come to think. I was following up stories of Caine’s coffin, of all things.”
>One of the people involved in this whole mess was an anarch leader called Smiling Jack. Now, according to this,” and again he waved the journal, “Jack turned into a busy boy after I left. He’s been having Kindred artifacts brought to him from all over the world—real ones, not fakes. And Jack’s been acting weird recently, spending more time spouting Gehenna prophecies and quoting The Book of Nod than he has blowing things up.”
>"Jack’s not the sort of guy I’d expect to find religion. More to the point, though, Etrius had his people approach Jack, trying to acquire some of these artifacts. Jack wouldn’t sell, and the Tremere found the answers they sought elsewhere, so they didn’t press the issue. But Etrius was convinced Jack knew something, had somehow gained some insight into what was coming. That he wasn’t just another born-again-Noddist.

The Chinese Room posted some interesting things in their newsletter.

Creative Direction - Alex Skidmore
Favourite feature - Telekinesis. It started as a simple method to distract enemies and ultimately become the defining differentiator of playing as Phyre versus the other vampires you face.
Feature that challenged you the most - Most recently was the romance with Clan Contacts. We exceeded what was allowed for certain age rating boards and had to dial back the sound effects. That was a funny couple of days.
Favourite vampiric moment - In several early playtests we would ask players if they feel like an Elder vampire, and would consistently get a “No” as the result - until we added the interactions with the first two security guards at the start of the game. Then the feedback came back “Yes!
Small detail you’d like players to notice - Fabien has several inconsistencies between playing as him and retracing his steps as Phyre. This is deliberate as his memories are idealised versions of how he believes his unlife was.

>>724685769
Narrative Direction - Ian Thomas
Favourite story to write - Anything with Fabien. His Voice actor Ronan Summers can handle anything you threw at him - comedy, pathos, wildly different tones - so we took full advantageof that, and an unappreciated character became a mainstay of the game.
Story that challenged you the most - In game writing, production realities often mean stitching story over existing content. Making sense of Phyre’s main throughline was tough for all of us until the game settled into its current form.
Favourite vampiric moment - I enjoyed being able to sneak in moments with Gideon’s abilities, also Lou and Campbell’s blatant use of Ventrue power. The truth of what’s happening in Schmitz Park and of Patience’s artwork, the enigmatic Mr. Swan - are also nice little wider lore tidbits. But my favourite power has to be Fabien’s Spirit’s Touch ability - forensics through the eyes of a Malkavian!
Small detail you’d like players to notice - Fabien’s office door...;)
Something else players should know? I love what the team have done with the visuals of Seattle. These pools of light and life that our predators lurk outside of, unable to take part in humanity, but willing to feed on it. I hope you all enjoy the mood of this place as much as I do.

>>724685769
>This is deliberate as his memories are idealised versions of how he believes his unlife was.
nice cop out
same level as "muh time travel" with the Legacy of Kain games

>>724685546
I'm assuming you refer to "endeavor." It simply seemed the most apt expression in the moment. I'm rather drunk, so that is probably why.

>>724685769
>Favourite feature - Telekinesis. It started as a simple method to distract enemies and ultimately become the defining differentiator of playing as Phyre versus the other vampires you face.
lol, they really like to suck their own dicks

>Favourite vampiric moment - In several early playtests we would ask players if they feel like an Elder vampire, and would consistently get a “No” as the result - until we added the interactions with the first two security guards at the start of the game. Then the feedback came back “Yes!
I just finished the game and I'm not sure exactly what they mean by this? What's special about the interactions?

>>724685827
Level Design - Will Traynor

Favourite Level - "We Don’t Do Ghost Stories" (IAO Base) stands out. It was a great open space that allowed the players to get the most out of combat. By this stage, players should be proficient in both combat and traversal, meaning this outdoor arena is great to utilise those skills. It’s also a nice change of pace from the interiors and rooftops that dominate much of the early game. If I had to say one that I worked on though I'd choose "As Above, So Below” (Seattle Underground). This allowed us to delve into the real-world lore of the Seattle Underground tour and translate it into the game's environment.

Level that challenged you the most - “The Mother” - it was the first Fabien mission that I worked on that also had to include the informants, moving positions around the city and reacting differently with different dialogue depending on order you visit them and when you visit them in the mission. We also had to switch up the Auto-repair interior to be an open crime scene investigation. This shone a light on some of the problems with these missions we’d have to address.

Something else players should know? Just thank you for playing the game and for holding the IP so close to your hearts. Whether you've found moments you love or whether there are aspects you feel we could have done better, your enthusiasm is what matters to us the most. Playing the game, voicing your loves and even your critques is proof that there is a passion for the game in this community. It truly was an honour to work within this world. The team that made this really does care about creating an experience that resonates with the fans. It was often a rocky journey, filled with disagreements and necessary compromises, but it was all fuelled by a group of talented people who poured their very best into the game. I hope you can feel that when playing.

>shill resorts to spam
desperate
your turn

>>724686072
Hide post + Hide replies works great.

>>724685945
Punching the security guard so hard he bounces off the wall.

>>724685980
>We also had to switch up the Auto-repair interior to be an open crime scene investigation. This shone a light on some of the problems with these missions we’d have to address.
>waah we have to do the bare minimun work to change up a scene a little
What kind of shit system do they have that this is a problem?

>>724686195
The Fabien flashbacks were created relatively late in development. And the flashbacks still have design and pacing issues.

>>724686180
>Hide replies
do you need an addon for that?

>>724686313
Yes. 4chanX.

>>724685980
>Something else players should know? Just thank you for playing the game and for holding the IP so close to your hearts. Whether you've found moments you love or whether there are aspects you feel we could have done better, your enthusiasm is what matters to us the most. Playing the game, voicing your loves and even your critques is proof that there is a passion for the game in this community. It truly was an honour to work within this world. The team that made this really does care about creating an experience that resonates with the fans. It was often a rocky journey, filled with disagreements and necessary compromises, but it was all fuelled by a group of talented people who poured their very best into the game. I hope you can feel that when playing.
This is sorta hinting at the fact that some people within TCR felt that certain design choices were a mistake, but compromoses had to be made.
>>724685827
>Story that challenged you the most - In game writing, production realities often mean stitching story over existing content. Making sense of Phyre’s main throughline was tough for all of us until the game settled into its current form.
As much as I like the game, structurally it is absolutely stitched together, assembled from abandoned story drafts and scrapped DLC ideas.

So what's the best way to play?
Are there community mods, patches or texture packs to add?

>>724686430
Just base game with latest unofficial patch in Basic mode.

Quintessential "I played this when I was 13 and thought edgy mallgoths and Skinny Puppy were the tightest shit"-core.
Kind of like the Kingdom Hearts fanbase but replace How to Draw Manga books and Toonami with self harm and those chains that went on your pants.

>>724686497
Skinny Puppy is still great

>>724686497
>>724686540
>Skinny Puppy
electronic goth stuff from 1990s-2000s was so cozy bros. I miss those days. Everything went to shit after 2008.

>>724653081 (OP)
Depends on what character you're playing

>>724686568
>Everything went to shit after 2008.
I firmly believe it's because industrial music was pushed aside for whatever reason

F!Gangrel

>_<

>>724679924
Being Embraced as a fat fuck and being stuck like that forever seems like a bummer

>>724687345
he didn't look that bad in Redemption

Okay, I beat VTMR and VTMB so what do I play next?

>>724682448
I only recently learned that dialogue options change depending on your humanity score. It's so easy to keep it high that I never knew.

>>724689619
Tabletop.
>but it's shit now because everyone wants V5
Welcome to suffer.

GIVE ME A REASON TO LOVE YOU

>>724653776
Thats what life is like when you are the attractive new guy.

>>724658743
Can you complete this quest combat style as non toreador? iirc unless you use celerity it's impossible to defend all front fast enough

>>724690440
Tremere can blow them the fuck up. And if you camp on top of the house, you can snipe them from afar if you've got a good enough IRL shot

>>724690440
I did it as a ventrue with guns and melee I think

>>724689619
Read this >>724679924

>>724653081 (OP)
bloodtroons 2 shill detected, auspex says it's a thinblood sewer rat, that can't use obfuscate disciplines properly

>>724665335
hey those rotting boils and pustules add girth, screeched the deformed sewer rat desperately.....

>>724673231
malk based yet again, psychiatry is just drug dealing evil

The nosferatu are the most poorly written clan. They should've been annihilated ages ago if it's a common occurrence to turn beautiful people who love it into ugly monstrosities.

>>724691226
y

>>724691407
Because turning someone who doesn't want to be a vampire into a vampire makes them do some suicidal shit, like exposing the fucking masquerade or walking into a sunrise in public

>>724691507
If they didn't care about their looks, like Mitnick in Bloodlines, they'll enjoy their eternal unlife for the low price of draining a few rats per day dry.