Thread 724690854

ITT: Vidya that would have been success if it came out today

the whole stalling to evolve gimmick sucks

>>724690854 (OP)
Friendslop asymmetrical PvP?
It would print money.

Asymmetric PvP is an evolutionary dead end.

>>724691190
Elaborate

It's hilarious that people went absolutely ballistic over like dollar skins in Evolve considering where we're at now.

>>724690854 (OP)
Probably not. Dead by Daylight has already filled it's incredibly small niche.

>>724690854 (OP)
Lol no
The game even got a second revival where people flocked to it thinking maybe they were wrong about the game, only for it to fail again for the same reason: the game fucking sucks dick to play

>>724691396
seriously. you can only equip one at a time, and you do not need to collect them all. still slightly more reasonable than the freakout over shadow of war, but overblown and retarded nonetheless.

>>724691396
It was the fact that the initial release already charged $60-$80 just to get in plus a season pass that did nothing and then they still had the gall to charge for skins. The monetization was jewish on every level.
The game was probably fun and if it were still free to play now (but with the original ruleset instead of everyone doming) i'd play it some but nobody could eat that much shit on an unproven, MP only property where one player being shit ruins an entire match.

>>724691396
IIRC they were advertising the DLC packs before the game was even officially announced. That made people very angry.

>>724691352
it's purposefully hostile to its playerbase and relies entirely upon new players jumping in to fill the gaps when people inevitably quit

bad protags lose every game and then quit, and antags win every game unless they're stuck fighting good protags and lose every game until they quit

>>724690854 (OP)
Any multiplayer game without dedicated servers that can be run without company infrastructure that also doesn't have modding tools sucks.
Early to mid 2010s multiplayer games have an incredibly bad shelf life due to the Freemium craze at the time that convinced companies to start forcing everything to have an account, no modding and an experimental cash shop.
Even the shit that survived this long is barely two steps removed from a Gacha game.
>>724691352
In freemium matchmaking shit, asymmetrical PvP means you're trying to balance two sides that you are trying to condition into hating each other, which just means that you end up with both sides hating you as well.
In symmetrical PvP you at least can start cultivating sunk costs, rituals and other Skinner box shit, but symmetrical PvP would mean a disproportionate amount of effort would have to go into maintaining the game.
>>724691701
Evolve stage 2 wasn't completely dreadful, it was just Freemium sloppa, which meant that it was run by wagies trying to adjust an exploitative business model on the fly.

>>724696146
>bad players lose until they quit and good players keep winning
Like every game ever

>>724690854 (OP)
I'm convinced they made this game to fail

>>724690854 (OP)
Nah I'm pretty sure this would have flopped even harder today
Zoomers don't give a fuck about asymmetrical multiplayer or Turtle Rock they just want their BRs and extraction shooters

>>724696146
AvP2 did it just fine, with aliens/predators/humans being extremely different and all of them being viable. You could argue a human with a pulse sniper was technically the best, since it was a hitscan, instant kill on headshot on (iirc) anything in the game short of an alien queen, but you could then also argue the same for the speargun predator or really any of the aliens if a player was sufficiently cracked out enough.
Asymmetric PvP is fine. Modern game design just cripples skill ceilings to appeal to casual drooling retards, which inevitably means the maximum performance of the various elements is capped and I honestly don't know of any developers that have managed to balance this in such a way that one doesn't slightly outperform the other, leading to it dominating at high level every time.