Thread 724706361

>does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
>somehow wins
How???

they have retarded inbred cultists

>>724706361 (OP)
I mean their main competition is Xbox, and they have a habit of shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly. That said, Nintendo is doing well enough since they can ride on brand loyalty, and PC was never in this fight to begin with

>>724706361 (OP)
Wrong picture? Everyone knows that Nintendo has won.

>>724706401
but OP didn't post a picture of nintendo

>>724706540
Depends on if you even consider Nintendo in the home console gaming market.

>>724706401
but enough about nintendo

>>724706664
As much as Sony likes to pretend they're winning by pretending nintendo doesn't exists, they very much do exist and are direct competitors, and no matter how hard you cope and seethe about the "high end gaming console market", the reality is that Sony is being curbstomped because Nintendo has games and Sony does not, and graphics don't matter.

>>724706791
The ps5 sold 80m units without games seemingly I wouldn’t say that’s being curb stomped. They’re also making more profit than ever. PlayStation is extremely relevant, and will largely be home to the biggest game of at least this decade in May.

>>724706791
The Switch is a handheld like the PSP and the DS, plugging in a laptop charger with HDMI output on it doesn't make it a hybrid or something that resembles a console

>>724706791
Because they really aren't competitiors. Tons of normies buy PS5 and Switch/Switch 2. Playstation for the home and Nintendo on the go has been the case for decades for NORMAL PEOPLE. Plus, Nintendo and Sony do a lot of business with each other. They kinda need each other to be successful.

>>724707023
>Nintendo and Sony do a lot of business with each other
Such as?

>>724707108
Having rabid fanboys on twitter so they can engage with each other and promote their brand to normies

>>724706871
that's half the amount the Switch sold, how is that not being curb stomped?
They also managed it due to Xbox self-destructing, would have been even lower otherwise. This also means their sales will be even lower with the PS6 since they are on a downward trend.

>>724706401
No one's talking about Valve

>>724707191
Because the two really aren’t even in the same market. Sony dominated home consoles. Nintendo dominates a completely different market, and like anon up there said, people buy both.

>>724706875
Cope. Playing it on TV increases resolution and performance for a lot of games, so yes it's a hybrid

>>724707262
Most people that buy a Switch choose it over buying a PS5, so they are not completely different markets, retard-kun.

>>724707263
That doesn’t even make it a home console though. Just because you plug a phone into a tv to game on it doesn’t mean it’s a home console. It’s still a tablet/phone.

But that doesn’t stop people from comparing ps5 and switch

>Snoys counting the PS Portal as console sales but somehow the Switch doesn't count
lmao

>>724706361 (OP)
>Console audience is retarded and mostly plays CoD, sportsball XX and watches TV
>Microsoft anticipates that the console videogame market is drying up after the 2000s due how obsolete the home console paradigm is, so it advertises directly to the retards, thus alienating the small audience that cares about actual games
>Small audience that cares about games influences the opinion of the retards, so the retards all flock to Sony who does the exact same shit, but did not advertise directly to retards
Simple.

>>724707364
The Switch is neither a tablet nor a phone. It's a console, it's made for playing games, not make calls and browse the internet. You're basically refuting yourself.

>>724706361 (OP)
>Releases
>Destroys N64 and kills Sega.

>>724707437
A phone is also made for games, that of which it has more games than Nintendo could dream of having.

>if we pretend the competition we've lost to isn't akshually competition at all then we win!
I see

sony truly are the masters of strategy

>>724707425
you forgot the last part
>Sony audience is now retarded and mostly plays CoD, sportsball XX and watches TV
>Sony copies Microsoft in thinking that the console videogame market is drying up after the 2020s due how obsolete the home console paradigm is, so it advertises directly to the retards, thus alienating the small audience that cares about actual games

>>724707508
Do you really think that someone who is wanting to play NBA or Call of duty games is just going to buy a Nintendo because it has a bunch of fuck all baby exclusives that they don’t care about? Seriously?

Think this over and then reconsider your stance on whether they’re competitors or not. Good luck.

724707480
bait used to be believable

>makes the best hardware every generation
>people catch on
>others have to launder money like Nintendo with Reddit and metacritic fraud just to pretend to compete

Just got done playing Zombieland VR2. Damn that game is fun. I browsed the shop and there’s no new sexy anime games to play and Oblivion is still working on the VR2 update so no buy yet. At least Nintendo has… Pokemon ZA. Reddit loves that. That and being hired by Nintendo to do nothing but lie.

>>724706791
>the "high end gaming console market"
That market does exist. The "entire high end gaming console" exists for shit like Call of Duty, Gears, Halo, GTA, etc. That entire market has been consolidated to Sony because Xbox waved the white flag. On the other hand, Nintendo has Mario, Pokemon and Zelda. The top two normie franchises are GTA and Pokemon. Normies are victims to FOMO culture. They're not going to miss out on Pokemon Gen 10 and GTA 6 which is why they'll buy both. Nintendo isn't competing for the living room, and Sony isn't competing for portable play. If Nintendo makes a home-only Switch with higher specs, it'll be niche because normies have been conditioned with associating Nintendo with the gameboy and portable play. If Sony makes a portable PS6, it'll be extremely niche and overshadowed by the home-version of the PS6.

/v/ has a skewed perception of reality since the vast majority of people here play on PC. It is a better platform than both Nintendo and Playstation, but those two aren't even close to dying just because /v/ hates them. In fact, they're too big to fail and can co-exist in the market. Believe it or not, Snoys on Xitter and YT rarely talk shit about Nintendo and are perfectly capable of enjoying Switch games. Tendies on social media are open to Playstation. That one guy who got death threats for owning two Switch 2's also had PS4/5 games on that image FFS. Only fringe cases like Harman Smith or that one nigga with the Cyclops PFP on Xitter only play on one system.

In fact, a lot of the console war channels on Youtube are made by supposed PC gamers like Alex and Fritanga.

>>724707583
>choice 1: console with X games
>choice 2 console with X + Y games
Why wouldn't they choose 2? Maybe you should reconsider your retardation?

>>724706361 (OP)
>does nothing
>lost to Nintendo

>>724707670
Because Nintendo doesn’t have gta or call of duty or even most of the souls games or even still most sports games, much less do they play worth a shit on switch either.

>>724707661
This is going to cause some Nintendo salt

>>724707661
this post is so dishonest and full of obvious lies it's clear it's bait you had it prepared beforehand, reason why it's as long as a leftist meme.
Consider killing yourself.

>>724707797
It’s pretty much completely right though about the top two franchises and how normies will be buying both. Ripping your argument to pieces that Nintendo and Sony are competitors.

I don’t particularly like pc gaming but everything else he said was spot on

>>724707792
Nintendo has plenty of sports games, and the amount of "normie" games it will have will just increase. So again, they are on an upwards trend while Sony is losing ground on anything they had left, barely kept alive by Xbox killing itself.

>>724707901
But Nintendo doesn’t have GTA 6 in may. They’re going to buy whatever has it to play everything else they want on.

>>724707480
nintendo's made billions of dollars off their fire emblem gacha, i promise you they don't consider mobile phones to be anything other than an auxiliary source of revenue

>>724707797
How is it dishonest? Because of the obvious fact that /v/'s perception of the gaming market are not reality? That the falseflags in /v/ aren't how most Snoys and Tendies behave outside of 4chan? That a lot of the console war grifting outside of /v/ comes from supposed PC gamers?

>>724706361 (OP)
The switch 2 is a failure and has no games. Also everyone hates nintendo now for their scummy practices. Doing nothing is the best move when your competition is humiliating itself.

>>724707876
if you think Call of duty and GTA are the saviors of gaming in 2025-2026 you're incredibly out of touch. Switch sold double the PS5 despite not having them. Nowadays nobody cares about those IPs, certainly not enough to buy a console for them. It's not about a single game, it's about how vast the choice of exclusives is. Just look at Xbox: buying all those famous and strong IPs amounted to nothing because one or two games won't cut it with today's gamers. The internet fragmented the culture, there's no one game that can appeal to everyone, you need lots of different games for different audiences, that's why Nintendo wins while Sony spends $300 millions on flops nobody cares about.
Don't worry, you'll learn, or you'll keep coping until Sony goes bankrupt, your choice lmao

>>724707980
You’re very right. These tendies are salty that even with the switch success, that they never truly beat Sony outright. They’re both industry leaders, respectively

>>724707480
A phone is a device that is made for communicating with other people, and with the invention of smartphones can also provide various features depending on the apps installed including but not limited to connecting to social media, monitoring your physical activity, checking financials without a computer, and entertainment. Games are something that a smartphone is capable of running, but saying phones are made for games is a ridiculous statement.

How stupid do you have to be to claim that GTA and Call of duty will save Sony when they didn't save them in the last 8 years? This is straight up rejecting reality

>>724708090
>lots of different games for different audiences
>nintendo
LMAO
there's one audience for nintendo - 5 year olds and 40 year old neckbeards who play games for 5 year olds

>>724708090
I didn’t say they were saviors, but they’re pretty much the best selling games every single year, and Nintendo doesn’t have them, meaning that they don’t compete with Sony. They’re two different appeals

>>724708219
Save them from what? Sony have no competition in the adult console gamer market.

>>724708048
>The switch 2 is a failure and has no games
It's consistently been the top selling console for every month since it came out. In the US, it's selling so well that it managed to offset the double digit drops of the PS5 and Xbox. And that was per thr NPD reports in September after its launch.
>Also everyone hates nintendo now for their scummy practices
The terminally online hates Nintendo and the majority of people regards the likes of Nintendeen and Real Life Fake Wizard as a bunch of freaks. There is nothing more cringe than getting preachy over vudeo games, and I believe that the prwachiness over fucking VIDEO GAMES has swayed more people to Nintendo than ever. Pokemon ZA outsold Ghosts of Yotei. Nintendo's flagship title of the month beat Sony's flagship title of the year. How is Nintendo being humiliated?

>>724706401
Kek

>>724708247
that's simply wrong and you know it

>>724708312
>adult console gamer market
what an oxymoron, there's nothing "adult" about playing videogames, they are literal toys.

>>724708394

Same energy as calling comic books "graphic novels" because they're insecure about their hobby

>>724706485
This. Playstation, Nintendo and PC are all thriving in their own lanes at this point. There's no more competition or "console wars" anymore.

>>724708140
Exactly, Sony and Nintendo have monopolies on two sections of the gaming market. Nintendo doesn't need COD and GTA. They sell extremely well without the latest COD and GTA. Meanwhile, Playstation is the only way to play these games unless you decide to spend thousands on a PC.

>>724708219
Sony is literally having their most profitable gen, and they have zero competition. They don't need saving.

>>724708454
>There's no more competition or "console wars" anymore.
Lol, lmao even

>>724708394
>>724708449

>>724708247
>there's one audience for nintendo
>lists two audiences
>>724708394
do you consider posting about them on an indonesian spider farming website's gaming subboard to be less childish somehow

>>724708394
>>724708449
seething tendiecucks pretending playing with their pokemans is the same as GTA

>>724708562
What about fucking Astrobot is "M" rated?

>>724708329
Not only that it had both MS and Sony considering jumping into handheld gaming spaces again after Sony was beaten horribly out of it by the 3DS when they released the Vita, they tried again with the Portal which no one wanted except die hard sony fans who even hated it and MS releasing a overpriced rog rally we have rumors the PS6 is gonna be a hybrid like the Switch that sounds like defeat to me on Sony's side.

>>724706361 (OP)
>PS5 is selling worse than the PS4 in the same time span
>nintendo switch outsold the PS4 and will probably outsell the PS5
>despite what /v/ says the switch 2 is still one of the fastest selling consoles
>PC gaming has been on the rise every year for the last decade with every game that isn't GTA 6 or the few sony/nintendo exclusives getting releases at launch
>sony keeps porting their games over PC even though its not really helping with the PS5 sales

they're winning when it comes to making money but in terms of the platform war then they've only really beat xbox this gen

>>724708562

A beacon that attracts some of the most immature gamers imaginable THOUGH

>>724708454
>Playstation
For nomies who want GTA and COD.
>Nintendo
For normies who want Mario and Pokemon.
>PC
For enthusiasts. I hate making a car analogy since I don't know much about car brands beyond Initial D and driving for work, but I always imagine PC being the high-end Lambo option that's there for people who want the most out of their hobby. The other two are more for those who only care about gaming causally, catching up with the latest releases and playing with their friends and family.

>>724708646
Considering the amount of 10 year olds currently playing GTA, yeah, they're about the same.

>>724708658
See
>>724708513
>>724707661

>>724708663
Which is why it's the responsibility of the store employee to direct the little tykes over to the nintendo section and away from the big boy games

>>724707263
>yes it's a hybrid
By definition the Switch Dock would need a bigger GPU with a power supply, an aspect of a home console to be a hybrid. It's not a hybrid by any means or sense of the word, my laptop also gets better performance in games when plugged in but it doesn't make it a desktop computer

>>724706871
It's still trending behind the PS4 in sales and that's when also accounting for the Xbox brand literally imploding between then and now. The cope has been that GTA6 will be the title to break the current trend and revitalize the platform to raise above the PS4 in sales, but if it does not, or does not do enough revitalize the sales trajectory, then it can only mean that we've reached the glass ceiling over how well a dedicated home console can sell in today's market.

There's a reason why PlayStation has been pivoting into becoming a lifestyle brand like Apple, and there's reasons why rumors have been circulating that Sony is looking to position the brand to directly compete with the Switch with their own home-handheld hybrid. I'm not dismissing Sony's success maneuvering themselves within the industry to reach the position they're in now, even if much of it just came from spending their massive warchest of capital more intelligently than Microsoft could have ever dreamed to do the moment Peter Moore stepped down from his position at Xbox, but all forms of traceable data continues to suggest that the very concept of a dedicated piece of hardware that does nothing but play games on you TV just doesn't carry the appeal for perpetual growth like it used to.

Hybrid consoles, or glorified PCs just seem to be the future for the hardware space in this industry. Hybrids seem to just carry more appeal (and helps with the sustainability crisis of game development by opening up design space for smaller scale games) while glorified PCs unlock easier access to selling your games in China, which is where everyone is looking towards as the market to push into for further growth. This has become less of a game about business and more a game about economics.

>>724708769
>they're winning when it comes to making money but in terms of the platform war then they've only really beat xbox this gen

I literally just said that anon, why do you think sony are becoming way more open to bringing their games to other platforms nowadays?

>>724706361 (OP)
it became normalfag slopstation where its entire purpose is watching movies, sports and "playing" movie and sports games so no matter the quality of quantity as long as normalfags get their fix they'll succeed

>>724708449
>>724708513
>>724708562
>>724708594
>>724708646
>manchildren seething
I didn't say playing videogames is bad, it's just incredibly cringe and retarded to claim they are "adult activities", they are not. An adult can play with train models, does not make that activity a grown-up thing. It's a toy, it's a mindless recreational activity but nothing more than that.

>>724708848
Yeah that’s right. Home consoles are undoubtedly not selling like a potential hybrid or handheld would. It doesn’t matter how good a home one is, the market is changing to a significant degree.

>>724708838
all it needs to be a hybrid is to allow bigger performance in different formats. Switch does that. You don't get to make up your own definitions about things, faggot.

>>724706791
>As much as Sony likes to pretend they're winning by pretending nintendo doesn't exists, they very much do exist and are direct competitors
How can they be direct competitors when Nintendo misses out on 99% of multiplat releases? People buy a Switch to play the same 3 or 4 nintendo franchises, which aren't competing with titles like Elden Ring, etc.

What will be snoys' cope when the hybrid PS6 flops?

>>724709538
>Nintendo misses out on 99% of multiplat releases
that's simply not true though no matter how much you repeat it

>>724709316
>bro shouldn't you graduate from reading the three little pigs and read a book for adults?
>UMMM ALL BOOKS ARE FOR CHILDREN CHUD
Cope dude, you know you look ridiculous playing your BING WAHOO YIPEE toddler game as a 35 year old

>>724709607
It’s true though. They’ve had nothing for the past 5 years multiplat wise.

>>724709556
If you’re going to count yotei you might as well count Astro bot and death stranding 2 as well

>>724708454
It's kind of the worst possible outcome because no one has to compete with each other.

>>724706361 (OP)
They didn't shoot themselves in the foot as frequently. With Xbox it's just constant bad news

>>724709316
watching television is a mindless recreational activity, and yet we a distinction can clearly be made between programming created for adults and programming created for children. why are you being so intentionally obtuse? is to convince yourself that you engaging with media for children is just the same as others enjoying media written for adults?

>>724708830
>big boy games

Go read your "graphic novels" you insecure faget

>>724708454
>>724709538
>>724709739
>>How can they be direct competitors when Nintendo misses out on 99% of multiplat releases? People buy a Switch to play the same 3 or 4 nintendo franchises, which aren't competing with titles like Elden Ring, etc.
I dunno what kind of multiplats you're thinking about, but the sheer number of ports and multiplats on Switch 1 & 2 is precisely the reason why I don't bother with Playstation (or even PC) anymore.

2 words:
BABY GAMES

>>724709827
>>724709730
you realize it's called "play" videogames because they are toys, right? Books or movies are not an inherently childish medium. Toys are, and so are videogames, which are just digital toys. It's ok to enjoy them, but they are not an adult activity.
>no you see this Barbie has a grim and dark theme, therefore it's meant for adult men
that's what you sound like

>>724709739
>They’ve had nothing for the past 5 years multiplat wise.
Absolutely wrong, they only games that didn't come to Switch are AAA slop that's forgotten after a week, those are not 99% of multiplats, normie-kun

>>724709739
in the pic are just the 2025 games, retard

>>724710827
>you realize it's called "play" sports because they are toys, right?
that's what you sound like

>>724710827
>you realize it's called ''play'' instruments because they are toys, right?
See
>>724709730

>>724706401
This. Millions of them buy a PlayStation in preparation for the next COD or FIFA game. A lot of them don't play anything else which is why Indie games tend to sell better on Nintendo consoles.

>>724711005
>>724711081
>no u
I accept your concession.

Now please explain to me why playing with your grim and dark themed Barbie makes you an adult

>>724706361 (OP)
https://x.com/charlieINTEL/status/1674122165526974473

>>724709496
ok so all laptops, even Chromebooks and MacBooks are hybrids and become desktops because their improved power draw allows for better performance, got it

>>724709730
there's absolutely no difference between playing GTA and Super Mario in your 30s. It's pathetic and sad that you think otherwise, manchild.

>>724706361 (OP)
>wastes billions on an endless stream of flops
>pretend to win

>>724710827
It's more
>>no you see this lego has actual applications outside of being a toy

>>724706361 (OP)
The alternative is Xbox and Xbox was never good.

>>724706485
/thread

As always, OP is retarded.

>>724711283
Well I'd say it's more childish to play GTA.

>>724710916
Elden Ring, Call of Duty, Silent Hill 2 remake, Marvel Rivals, etc, etc. Do I need to say more?

>>724711203
if you could just admit to yourself that you enjoy baby shit you wouldn't have to make all these retarded arguments

>>724711247
they are not gaming consoles, your attempt at obfuscation is pathetic, but yes, laptops are indeed hybrids in a sense, they are the union of all-in-one PCs and keyboard+mouse. Obviously a retarded zoomer wouldn't know about that though.

>>724708658
>they're winning when it comes to making money
not really
their profit margins are still razor thin, and the PS5 only looks like a success because they started cooking the books and claim everything sony does as "the PS5 generation" so they can lump ps4 and MTX shit as PS5 sales

>>724711372
Wow look at all that slop lmao you're proving my point. I'll concede Elden Ring, but then again that's not 99% of multiplats as you claim

>>724707437
The switch has the form factor of a tablet unlike the DS and Gameboy that had their own unique form factors.
>it's made for playing games
Yeah, every playstation console since 1994 has been a computer made to play games and nothing else, it doesn't take away from the fact that the Switch is a gaming tablet and definitely not a hybrid

>>724711445
Retard-kun, I am saying that I don't mind if you enjoy baby shit (Elden Ring, GTA, Call of duty, etc.), but they are neither mature activities nor are they more mature than playing Super Mario. I am sorry if that makes you feel insecure but it's the truth.

>>724711525
BG3, E33, still doesn't have GTA V or RDR2, doesn't have Sekiro or any Souls outside of DS1, etc, etc.

The GOTYs from 2022 onward haven't been on the Switch either.

>>724711526
>The switch has the form factor of a tablet
It's not actually true, but even if it were, that still does not discount it from being a hybrid. Again, you don't get to make up your own definitions, you petulant child

>>724711005
>>724711081
>>724711301
Stop giving the little retard (you)s, you're arguing with undoubtedly some teenager who only now started to self-actualize and thinks they're smarter now for disavowing what brought them joy in their childhood. He's just pissed off that Stacy rejected him for the Halloween prom and lashing out because he thought he was going to get his dick sucked yesterday.

>>724706540
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nplefywEFI

>>724706401
Wrong company. Most PS owners only care about shit like FIFA, CoD, GTA etc.

>>724711614
so, AAA slop that's forgotten in a week. You keep proving my point, and again that is not 99% of multiplats. Play more games.

>>724711456
The term "Hybrid" doesn't excuse X product over Y product because it's made for gaming or not.
>laptops are indeed hybrids in a sense,
>they are the union of all-in-one PCs and keyboard+mouse
That's literally not what a hybrid is or means, you don't create a brand new category just because you include the input method of a desktop computer that is necessary for it to function.
Your retarded definition is the equivalent of calling a toyota Yaris an F1 Formula because you changed the wheel to a rectangle racing steer

>>724711712
>projecting this much
I am sorry that your life sucks so bad, anon, but not everyone has it as bad as you lmao

>>724711771
Every single game listed is played a lot to this day and are highly relevant. Some GOTYs even.
Maybe its not 99 percent of multiplats technically, but its 99 percent of all highly performing relevant multiplats, which is what was implied

>>724711705
>It's not actually true,
Yes it is true
>that still does not discount it from being a hybrid
If it was a hybrid the dock would be like an EGPU enclosure and have a graphics card inside it with a power supply

>>724711821
>p-p-projecting this much
Sorry kiddo but if you're too young to have voting rights you're too young to have an opinion worth anyone giving a shit about. Now go fuck off to watch Teen Titans Go and do your math homework already.

>>724706871
autists and tendies don’t understand the revenue generating power of normies, for every discerning autist that spends hundreds of hours reading reviews before spending $20 on a game there are hundreds of niggers, wiggers, and normgroids that walk into Best Buy or GameStop and buy a $70 game with little thought

>>724711803
>keeps rationalizing his made-up definitions
it won't become true no matter how much you repeat it.
A hybrid is by definition made by combining different elements. The Switch is a hybrid because it combines a portable console and a home console you can play on your TV.
A laptop is a hybrid in the sense that it combines peripherals with PCs (which at the time were all-in-ones).
Anything else is your own tranny mind trying to reinvent the wheel because you can't accept you're wrong. Grow up loser.

>>724711952
Autists and tendies think that just because they like babyslop, that the rest of the world does.

>>724711925
again, that's not what makes something a hybrid. It's just your headcannon, it's not reality, just like you'll never be a woman.

>>724711931
you'll never fit in, zoom zoom tourist.

>>724712028
A hybrid is a device that has a built in screen and controls, and can be docked, with wire or station.

So, a phone.

>A laptop is a hybrid in the sense that it combines peripherals with PCs (which at the time were all-in-ones).
desktops literally cannot function without a mouse and keyboard you stupid downie, there is no such thing as a car without wheels and you suddenly create a new category by adding 4 wheels in its axles

>>724711283
>>724711364
lol

>>724712028
So the PSP and the Vita were hybrids because you could plug them on your TV

>>724711921
>99 percent of all highly performing relevant multiplats
It has stardew, minecraft, terraria. It got silksong and deltarune. It will be getting elden ring. Even saying it doesn't get 99% of highly performing multiplats seems wrong.

>>724711372
>>724711614
>>724711921
I find funny you ignored my post earlier because I guess you're a hyper casual who doesn't know much about videogames outside of the heavily advertised mainstream AAA titles. Nevermind that Elden Ring is coming on Switch 2 anyway, so are Resident Evil Requiem (alongside with 7 & 8 CE) and Yakuza Kiwami 3 at the same time as other platforms.

>>724712243
it will be getting elden ring as much as the ps5 is getting gta 6. so we'll have to see about that.

>>724712142
>desktops literally cannot function without a mouse and keyboard
So what? A laptop is a hybrid because it combines different components that were separate. You used to have the peripherals separate from the tower PC, so combining them into a single package made laptops, in a sense, hybrids.
The fact that the peripherals are necessary to interact with the device does not make them part of the device, it's completely inconsequential. By your retarded logic your hands and eyes are part of a console because they are needed to use them. Again, you're making up headcanon definitions that don't exist in reality.

>>724706361 (OP)
何もしないことが勝利の一手であることもあります。