Thread 724706765

how does it compare to new vegas? do you play on survival mode?

>>724706765 (OP)
Compared to New Vegas it's bad.
It gets rid of many perks and simplifies dialogue. The story is also much worse.

However theres still fun to be had running around looting and shooting and exploring. Just ignore the faction side quests, they are bloat and slop.

>>724706765 (OP)
It's easily the best one, and yeah you should play survival.

>>724706765 (OP)
It is the best one it’s why it has the most players, you have to play on survival though at default it’s worse than NV. The order is 4 > NV > 1 > 2 > 3 btw

Everything about the "RPG" aspects is way worse than NV. Up to you to interpret what that entails.
The gameplay is much better though, fun to romp around in and shoot raiders with your drug addicted Irish wife. The crafting stuff is addictive, too.

Survival is objectively good but man I fucking need fast travel, also quick saves cuz modded games can crash.

Exact same fatal flaw Skyrim has but worse, it's fun to run around and do stuff at the start, but NONE of the actual written content is engaging in the slightest. The main story and sidequests are all fucking terrible, so as soon as you get bored of just doing the 'dungeons' and looting, the game is done

>>724707345
It has the most players because of mods. Vanilla F4 sucks shit

The terrain and shooting/fights is good. Everything else is bad.

>>724706765 (OP)
shit sucks

>>724707412
This is mega cope. The game is ten years old. For about half that it has less mods than NV

>>724707412
If people are making more mods for it that would make it more popular are you trying to say skyrim is less popular than starfield because it has le mods

>>724706765 (OP)
Fallout is massively outdated. They need to take inspiration from modern Zelda for Fallout 5. Otherwise it will fail. And I don't want to hear any crying from shills, you know it's true. Shit like outer worlds 2 is exactly the same as these games have always been. Not copying Zelda at this point would be like if everyone didn't start making 3D games after Mario 64.

>>724706765 (OP)
'Survival mode' in fallout franchise means that you have to press Tab and click on any food/drinks to feed yourself and press E on bed to sleep

>>724706765 (OP)
It's more like Far Cry Plus rather than an actual RPG, but generally I think that's a positive thing since Bethesda's attempts at actual RPG design have been abhorrently terrible for nearly twenty years at least.

>>724707408
>Most popular = good
When did /v/ become infested with such normalfag brained retards?

>>724706765 (OP)
>how does it compare to new vegas?
10x better combat
10x worse everything else

Good morning Sirs! Fallout 4 best game confirmed!

>>724707582
Pretending skyrim is le bad is a failed normalfag take brother it’s not particularly contrarian

>>724706765 (OP)
Main issue is just that the RPG aspects are so bad it brings the entire experience down. As >>724707408 said it's fun for a while exploring ruins or building a settlement, but it gets old really fast since it has no substance to it. Nothing you do has any meaning since character building, questing and writing is so atrocious you never want to engage in it.

It's basically has all the same issues as Starfield does, with the only real difference being the "overworld" is hand crafted.

>>724707567
I felt that the dehydration from meds was the most interesting survival mechanic the fallout games could come up with

idk why people expect there to be more to the games than Daggerfall. if you want story you read books. not even Fallout 2 had good dialogue.

>>724706765 (OP)
i would recommend using a mod that lets you adjust the survival mode mechanics, because begin required to sleep and shit every 5 minutes is tedious

All of fallout is complete goyslop, don't see what difference which flavor of goyslop it is would make. Elder Scrolls and Fallout are ambrosia to retards, no point in pretending you care about game design or quality.

Quincy is probably the most difficult area to clear in any Bethesda game I've played. Yeah the story is piss but it's really fun to play.

Nah, 4's survival mode is retarded. It has a stupid damage-ramp up system and only lets you save when you sleep.

>>724706765 (OP)
New vegas? Wtf is that? It's 1, 2, 3, and 4. Plus 76

>>724706765 (OP)
Mus be one of those mandela effects, or something

>>724706765 (OP)
I hate 4. It's fucking awful, marginally better shooting mechanics for far far far far worse everything else. Forget New Vegas, it's the worst Fallout by a heavy margin, even 76 is better.

>>724706765 (OP)
Fallout 4 is not a RPG, It's not Good, the story is legit garbage, the faction is garbage, cowboy nigro, etc.

>>724706765 (OP)
I hate how everything looks plastic in fallout 4

>>724706765 (OP)
i used to think it was great but i recently tried it and quit after the corvega mission

>>724706765 (OP)
Ive modded to the point that it's more or less a stalker game.
Really fun if you mod the shit out of it.

>>724713019
Why? Did you died?

>>724706765 (OP)
>how does it compare to new vegas?

>>724706765 (OP)
The gunplay shits all over NV but that's to be expected. There's not a whole lot of stuff to do while exploring compared to NV but that's supplemented with base building. Yes, I play on survival mode.

>>724706765 (OP)
Which one is better, this or Fallout 3?

>>724706765 (OP)
Survival is fucking dumb in 4, though. The timers wind down so quickly that having a single story conversation will leave you starving, dehydrated, and sleep-deprived, and every third raider on a random street corner is carrying a fatman launcher.

>>724713247
Literal skill issue. Stick to NV.

>>724713190
Fallout 4 has 5x the players of new vegas right now

It sacrificed everything that made it an RPG for gunplay that was still 10 years out of date at release.

>>724713247
You just know this fag played survival for one hour. There is a scripted fat man raider that hangs out on a makeshift walkway between apartments before corvega. This is good design btw from a world building and gameplay standpoint.

4's main problems:
- a wasteland setting is the opposite of interesting
- vaults that offset this are severely lacking in 4
- only one faction isn't morally repulsive, game has you kill the companion from this faction
- player is overpowered 10 minutes in
- building settlements does not pacify an area but instead causes enemies to spawn to attack it, so settlements not only don't provide a benefit but are actually detrimental
- loot kind of sucks as it is mostly junk for the settlements
- only set piece that really stood out was the giant monster you fight

The variety in companion voices was great.

>>724713240
3.

>>724713973
Fixed by survival

10/10 exploring
5/10 everything else

>>724706765 (OP)
Better gameplay, worse writing. Survival mode feels necessary to me for the game to be remotely interesting. I like the survival elements but hate the Settlement stuff. I think the setting needs to focus almost entirely on survival and exploration and just drop their attempt at story and world building. Just make the "story " The Vaults are Opening, help find and establish Communucation/Trade with them, meet other explorers along the way and bring them home.

76, taking place entirely in a more rural and uninhabited part of America was a great idea, they just full retard with gimmicks.

>>724713973
>player is overpowered 10 minutes in
Wrong

>>724713973
>wasteland boring
You're just playing the wrong game at this point bro.
>vaults are lacking
Yeah that's odd now that you mention it. They're all basically already open and serve as enemy bases instead of being mystery dungeons like in 3 and nv. But the mole rat one was cool at least.
>only one faction isn't morally repulsive
How are the minutemen evil?
>you have to kill Dance
Technically the Elder can do it for you. But yeah this scene is kino bro. It's not supposed to be easy. I don't see the problem.
>settlements are detrimental
No they're not, if you're using them right. Set up a farm that produces the ingredients for vegetable starch for infinite adhesive. Get yourself some stores and a doctor. There's all kinds of shit you can do. Most people don't bother with that stuff though. Also btw, your settlements will be fine if you ignore them while they're being attacked.
>loot bucks
True. Bethesda is gay and outdated. Looting isn't even a fun thing to do in general. They should remove the system entirely.
>only set piece is big boss
Which one? Also wrong. Play more of the game.
>inb4 no
Then why are you bitching about only seeing one?

>>724706765 (OP)
Far worse roleplaying and writing. Some gameplay improvements, basebuilding is pretty neat. Overall less enjoyable but I'm sure you can have a good time, especially with mods. I tried frost but it crashes my game every 4 hours even with the downgrade and patches.

>>724707408
Agreed

>>724706765 (OP)
It's actually fun, which NV will never be.

>>724706765 (OP)
The gun play is mostly better but the rpg elements are lacking, I don't care for a voiced predetermined character.

>>724713359
Ye and more people watch big brother than read. What a measurement of quality...

>>724706765 (OP)
>how does it compare to new vegas?
It's no longer an RPG

Who's more woke? Deacon or Arcade Isreal Ganon?

>>724713973
>- a wasteland setting is the opposite of interesting
Modern Fallout "wastelands" aren't really wastelands, they're more like giant ruins.
>- vaults that offset this are severely lacking in 4
Not really. What you're wanting are dungeons, not Vaults.
>- only one faction isn't morally repulsive, game has you kill the companion from this faction
Who? All of them are intended to have moral red flags besides the Minutemen except for the Nuka World raiders for obvious reasons are the designated asshole faction.
>- player is overpowered 10 minutes in
Play survival.
>- building settlements does not pacify an area but instead causes enemies to spawn to attack it, so settlements not only don't provide a benefit but are actually detrimental
Settlements on get attacked when they have a lot of resources. Just don't make your settlement a water purifying empire and you'll be fine.
>- loot kind of sucks as it is mostly junk for the settlements
I disagree. The legendary enemy drops are pretty cool and basically serves as this game's "uniques" for a more personal touch.
>- only set piece that really stood out was the giant monster you fight
There are several giant monster fights, you'll have to be specific.

>be Fallout 4
>have objectively the most roleplaying by far
>retards can't tell because numbers are invisible on the character sheet
And numbers don't have anything to do with roleplaying anyway so why are they like this?

>>724706765 (OP)
Its my favorite fallout but I acknowledge its sloppy shit for fat fucks that drink mtn dew. I just like settlement slop. The story being shit is a small price to pay. I also want to fuck assaultrons.

>>724706765 (OP)
it's a mediocre RPG but a very fun open world sandbox. Especially if you make it a survival game.

>>724715316
The BoS have no red flags unless you're the kind of guy who watches moistcritical.

>>724706765 (OP)
i enjoyed because one of my main complains of old Besthesda RPGs were the shitty combat and gunplay and they improved that significantly in FO4.

>>724707408
>so as soon as you get bored of just doing the 'dungeons' and looting, the game is done
this
I've played a metric shit ton of Skyrim and FO4 never finished the story quests in either. I couldn't even tell you what the main plot of Skyrim is.

one thing I can't get over is how tiny the world of FO4 feels compared to NV. Not the physical map, I mean the setting. FO4 is about a bunch of guys, with the exclusion of the BoS, who are all from roughly the same area (one bombed city and its immediate suburbs) duking it out amongst each other, vying for control of the hideous scrap heap that is gay jetsons boston. But even though the BoS come from far away, they feel small and insignificant, too. There basically just a small, reclusive order of semi-nomadic warriors from DC.
The imagination of FO4 rarely wanders too far from Boston and the surrounding areas. FNV by contrast has people who have been from all around Nevada, as well as from surrounding states like california, colorado, utah etc. I don't feel like the map ends at the world borders in FNV, whereas I do in 4.
There's also just the basic problem of every settlement in 4 being identical. It's just a bunch of idiots in raggedy clothes in corrugated metal shacks warming their hands on barrel fires. The only thing that changes is the size of the settlement. FNV has the outlying towns filled with cowboys and ranchhands. It's got the rough locals at freeside. It's got the well-to-do denizens of the strip who look down on the freesiders. There's the convict powdergangers who took over NCRCF. The tribal Khans, NCR border control checkpoints staffed by soldiers and petty bureaucrats, and legion camps filled with subjugated slaves.

>F4 zoomers have never actually played a real RPG
Many such cases. Sad!

>>724715602
Yeah besides strong arming the people of the commonwealth to fund their war campaign. No red flags at all.

>>724706765 (OP)
Its a FarCry with base building. But plays worse.

>>724707412
That applies to every bethesda game including new vegas

>>724706765 (OP)
just play fo76. it's better than 4 in almost every way now aside from lack of mods. (and mods don't necessarily fix the core issues with 4)

>>724715745
Anon zoomers can't read, they are not the ones that played F4 back when it released

>>724706765 (OP)
You don't even to compare it.
It's fucking shot shit
irredeemable outside of collecting shit and modding guns

>>724706765 (OP)
I likes fallout 4 more than new Vegas. Is just a better game for today standards. New Vegas is super clunky, slow and boring. That being said fallout 4 is also buggy and repetitive, but at least you can run.

>>724706765 (OP)
This game literally does not do a single thing well and that does not add up to a sum I'd call "good"

>>724716074
What's clunky about new vegas? Everything works as stated by the rules.

>>724715723
This is a good thing. New Vegas went too far in regards to the development of the states. I want to see people surviving in the ruins of the Old World. The New Vegas stuff is cool but gets muddled in the NCR vs Legion crap which isn't as interesting to me.

Seeing small budding communities in the Wasteland fulfilling a little niche to survive is interesting but I could care less about a nation state that essentially functions like a little US.

>>724706765 (OP)
its fun

>>724715801
Play the game retard.

>>724716418
game becomes easy on higher levels despite hardcore/veryhard jsawyer mod etc

Story is -100% worse downgrade compared to New Vegas.

Gameplay is a side grade to vegas, it does a lot of things better like quality of life improvements (e.g. insta loot) but it takes away a lot of features Vegas had e.g. (gambling, Caravan, OP broken perks, etc)

>>724717072
I did, retard.

>>724707582
you really cant be bothered to read, can you?

>>724707412
F4's mods fucking suck and I say this as someone who likes the game
the amount worth using is definitely under 100, there are so goddamn many ugly tacticool gun and armor mods and almost no actually interesting ones

New vegas literally has no fucking story pajeet.

>>724713359
and genshin has even more, guess that makes it the better game

>>724707408
Yeah, Skyrim was passable because the world space is neat and fairly well balanced with cities and hostile areas even if they're fairly static. Meanwhile, 4 has like 2 cities at best, a couple premade 'towns' and mostly settlements, with exclusively hostile arenas in between. While interesting places like libertalia are just dungeons.

>>724717408
Genshin Impact is a better game though? That was a stupid ass way to try to make a point. Though I guess you don't know it's good because you don't play games, you just parrot what youtube tells you.

>>724717072
Teagan has you personally go to settlements and tell farmers "give the brotherhood food or I will blow your head off". Once they agree so you don't kill their children, you can come back later to see some paladins stationed there, ensuring compliance.

>>724717561
Why'd you agree to break the BoS's rules for Teegan then?

Combat is better, graphics but thats it. Score is good aswell. The maps not bad either.

>>724717843
No rules are broken, it just isn't officially sanctioned. You can kill every settler in the game and have paladins stationed at every settlement. That amount of movement doesn't just go unnoticed by a force so small, hence they're definitely just looking the other way while Teagan does his dirty work.
The Minutemen are objectively better than the BoS for the average Commonwealth citizen.

>>724716734
I don't know what to say other than I disagree. I fundamentally don't think that it's a good thing for a post-nuclear roleplaying game to have nothing to say or bring to the table beyond "wut if rowbots wur peeple, liek in dat one moovy :o" and just ogling at hobos with dumb accents loitering around in piles of garbage.

>>724718161
>no rules are broken
Can you please actually read terminals and listen to holotapes? Maxson specifically asks his people not to do this. Or just use common sense and logic?

>>724717948
the artstyle however, is absolutely horrendous.
everything looks like it was designed by mattel.

>>724718516
Mentally ill tranny lelelel

>>724707408
And in Skyrim, procedurally generated quests were few and far between, and mostly there to technically have something to do for a guild/town after exhausting content, but in F4 it was deliberately implemented to not bother with writing actual quests. It's easy to see the progression to Starfield where almost the entire game is procedurally generated, Bethesda genuinely wants to release games with no written content, just algorithms feeding you basic objectives at random.

>>724706765 (OP)
Fallout 4 is the best game ever made, even better than Ocarina of Time.

>>724707213
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nplefywEFI

>>724716734
>I want to see people surviving in the ruins of the Old World.
Then the entire genre of actual Fallout, not Bethesda non-sensical theme parks, is not for you. Fallout is post-post-apo, what you describe you like is post-apo. Fallout ever since the first is about how people would try to rebuild, or even reject, civilization once the fire has died down. Kenshi is an everything went to shit variation of this concept too, no matter how big of a catastrophe, people won't just all live in mudhuts forever, if people live, they'll rebuild something.

As for the surviving on a basic level in post-post-apo, there really isn't much you could write. Good people, bad people, and le grimdark rapist cannibal faction because no rules anymore, there isn't that much compelling writing to people who only care about clean water and food.