Thread 724729486

Why do normies hate character action so much

>>724729486 (OP)
Because the point of the genre is that the combat system is deep and you're incentivized to replay the game and git gud at it. These games usually don't excel in the story department (and are often on the shorter side) which is a turn off for the average normalfag. Yes, Dante is fun, Ryu is cool and so on, but nobody praises their games for the actual writing.
>Inb4 Tomato has a good story
It also shouldn't be in this pic because the combat is pretty barebones.

tl;dr It's a gameplay-focused genre that requires effort and encourages replayability instead of just going through the motions to see the story.

these games are for autistic people, no normie is replaying the game unless it's an epic 12/10 story movie exploration something

>>724731292
Deep combat gives you infinite replay value

>Astral Chain
Lol

Takes skill
Can't grind out levels like in souls games if the boss is too hard

>>724731579
Is one of the greatest games ever made

>>724729486 (OP)
My dad is a normie and he loved the GoW games and liked DmC, the reboot, enough to finish it which is rare for him. Hell, i got into them because he got me NG2. The problem is that they aren't nowhere as mainstream as they used to be, so normies dont even know when they come out anymore

>>724731735
In most of them you literally can replay old stages for upgrades

>>724731452
they literally don't care for that

need constant dopamine hitboxes to make it addictive

>>724731452
Nobody who is into this genre already would try to refute this, but OP is asking about normalfags' perspective anon.

Because these games are more complex than the average souls games, at least in the gameplay itself not in difficulty but still.

>>724729486 (OP)
they can be hard and require some level of skillful execution when normalfags just want to autopilot when they play games

ninja gaidens were fun and they would be 10/10 if the camera wasn't so ass

>>724731292
>replay the game
Exactly what incentive do i have to do that?
>its le fun
I could have fun doing a million other things than endlessly grinding out a videogame to get good at pressing that specific game and only that games buttons.

Yes this is how normalfags think. If you dont have autism you mgiht be able to understand it

>>724732689
Nta but character action games are one of the few you can play in quick sessions and get right into the action fast

>>724732876
Youre not thinking like a normalfag

>>724729486 (OP)
Too difficult. Souls games as many anons have been pointing out are only approved because you just have to learn the exploits. Even females easily are beating these games because they aren't as skill based as what journalists would have people believe. A game like Ninja Gaiden will absolutely filter most people because you cannot just weasel your way through the game with cleverness. You still have to be good at the game.

>attempt to discuss stylish action
>"dude souls souls souls"
Is it possible to have a thread without mindbroken faggots?

>>724729486 (OP)
I hate hack and slash games, they are too hard for me and I get bored.
God Hand is excellent though, the best game from Clover/Platinum by far. Very hard but also extremelly fun. Even hard mode was fun.
Bayonetta was ok, I was getting better at the game and playing on hard after beating normal but got tired.

>>724729486 (OP)
they love 6 of the games in that picture
they feel indifference about the rest
there's no hate

>>724733995
probably not but I do think it's interesting to see that "hard" "action" RPGs can exist and be mainstream successes because of it's relatively low skill floor execution wise. Good action games and fighting games filter people for the same reason, execution. and a big part of the Souls franchise rise to fame was that it was difficult in ways outside of testing one's ability to perform combos while also reacting to a multitude of options from your enemy.

I occasionally boot up dmc 5 to S a couple mission on DMD for fun. Once on a coop mission (M13:DMD), I had a nero perma spam forward attack and knocked everything away, over and, over and over. That's the audience they were trying to sell the game to,
>but Why do normies hate character action so much?
Normalfags don't replay their games

Say thank you Kamiya
Say I love the Wonderful 101

>>724738160
I love unskippable cutscenes
I love horribly implemented facsimiles of arcade games
I love horrible input interpreters
I love Project GG dying
I love upgrades instead of just having your full moveset
I love cancerous encounters
I love being ranked on gimmickshit instead of core gameplay

>>724738327
sounds like you didn't git gud
a true gamer is a master of all arts
the wonderful 101 is the peak of the genre btw

>>724738910
Don't get me wrong, there's a lot I really like about the game, but there's a lot I really despise
Unskippable cutscenes are a grievous sin, and the horrible minigames needed more time
I have no idea why Kamiya insists on these le arcade minigames when he doesn't put the actual time in to make them as polished as proper arcade games

>>724731452
>Deep combat gives you infinite replay value
>CPU combat
>Deep
Bots can only entertain you so much before you get bored of manhandling them, people who care about deep combat play fighting games rather than wailing against helpless sandbags designed to be exploited.
The real reason "normies" don't care about "character action" is because it's a rightfully boring genre for people who can't cut it in the competitive sector where the real sweat is, the vast majority of people isn't interested in bullying CPUs designed to be abused by specific patterns when human opponents offer a ludicrously higher potential for both bullying and challenge, same reason why coop games like MH also take a fat shit over single player action games, the lack of human factor is what kills them.
And it is not a coincidence that Capcom added the Cameo system to DMCV, it's precisely because they are very well aware of the importance of the human component when it comes to both longevity and popularity.
Why do you think even some mediocre eurojank like Enshrouded is completely demolishing Ninja Gaiden 4? It's because you can play with other people, on top of the game being more than just bullying NPCs, and also not locking you into a premade character.

>>724729486 (OP)
Normalfags don't fall for the "more complexity = more depth" falsity.

>>724729486 (OP)
>character action
The fuck is this shit?

>>724729486 (OP)
>god of war
>nier automata
>god hand
>character action

bluds think they on the team :crying emoji:

action games are for failed normalfags
>normies
you are a normalfag. get the fuck out.

>>724729486 (OP)
These are some of the most well-liked games of all time.
Nier, GoW, DMC, and MGR at least.

>>724729486 (OP)
>DMC
>Nier
>MGR
>hated by normies

In what fucking timeline?

>>724740076
Danger time is pure sovl.

>>724740076
>Fighting games?
>Big Yikes unc, I only play games with REAL bussin' ahh combat like Ninja Gaiden frfr

>>724741006
Can anyone translate this utter gibberish?

>>724740187
^
were these games always called "character action"? never played this stuff, but i don't really recall that term. just called em action games i guess.

"character action" sounds like some recent pretentious term to differentiate a style of action game so said games can have their own genre, separate from others. im probably wrong, but regardless, it sounds retarded.

>>724741175
Action is an extremely broad genre and this is a term someone came up with over a decade ago to refer to this subgenre of action games. It's a stupid name but it's neither recent nor pretentious so get over yourself.

>>724741175
Character action was made up by a retarded youtuber
The genre has been called Stylish Action, as that's what DMC 1 called itself

>>724729486 (OP)
>can't create your own character
>too skill based

If I had to take a guess its these.

>>724739902
Cameo system is the testiment to the fact that dmc5 is underbaked, it does jack shit. You are correct that single player can only get you so far, but even if action game cap at about 200 hours, it's still way more replayability than any other single player genre can get you.

>>724741415
then it should have remained "stylish action".

>>724741334
don't be upset about it, it just sounds retarded. and yeah it sounds pretentious too.

>>724741581
>and yeah it sounds pretentious too.
What is it pretending to be?

>>724741581
Actually it should have remained "beat-em-up."

actually they should have remained "walky punchy rooty tooties"

>>724734429
But they like souls games more. And from OP's narcissistic and histrionic point of view, that means that they loathe his favorite genre and are thus the scum of the earth.

>>724741415
>Character action was made up by a retarded youtuber
Not really. It comes from “Kyarage” (literally Character Game), which is a derogatory Japanese term for a game that only sells because it has a recognizable IP’s character. Basically their version of “licensed shovelware”. At the time the genre rose to prominence, the format was very popular for those sorts of IP tie-in games, so Kyarage Action described the style of action game that played like your average Kyarage.

Over time it’s just become adopted into the western discourse as an actual genre label because we didn’t really know the meaning. Imagine if the Japanese term for “Soulslike” games in 10 years ended up being “Roorusuroppa” or something.

>>724741982
I don't remember OP saying any of that.

>>724741642
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>>724741924
yup that's fine too

>>724742030
mfw i spread misinformation

>>724731767
Its dogshit, actually both it and Automata are sneaks on that page. Didn't play HFR but I was always skeptical, seemed no better than the Korra game. MGR is bottom of the barrel but its still better than these other three so it can stay.

>>724742068
>...
Uh huh. Google the definitions of words before you use them.

>>724742142
you're so dumb, gotta be ESL.

>>724738160
THE WONDVERFVL KINO

>>724742232
What's pretentious about the term, anon? Why can't you answer the question?

>>724738160
ayo you a real g nigga and u made some sick gaymes but viewtiful joe 2 didn't need silvia

>>724742076
Mein nigger you can just google “Kyarage” and get confirmation of this fact. This is what “character game” has always meant.

>>724742301
calling it pretentious implies the person who coined the term or people who use the term are pretentious. not that im calling everyone who uses it pretentious, it's just an unfortunate term.

the term itself cannot "pretend to be" something. but some clown who wants to sound smart may use the term in discussion, instead of just saying action game or beat em up.

>>724742775
Okay, so how are those people pretentious?

>>724742948
men in black 3 is on tv right now, i'd rather watch that than continue talking to you.

>>724743408
Uh huh. Google the definitions of words before you use them.

>>724729486 (OP)
Because they have taste. Nobody cares about games that are easy to beat but then the """challenge""" is in beating them ""well."" They prefer games that just are difficult in general, that you use everything you can to beat it because that's how knuckle-down drag-out hard it is. Not this fake bullshit where it's like "oh you gotta put in the effort so you can hear the guy go WHOA STUPID SEXY BADASS SICKO MODE DUDE YOU'RE SO COOL...and nothing else because you can otherwise beat em by just chilling out and cruising."

It's the same reason why SHMUPs aren't popular. Nobody cares about games that are stupid easy and then lock the challenge behind 1CC NBNM runs. It makes the rest of the game tedious and boring because you know you're not in the "real" part of the game yet, and why would anyone waste their time when they can just play something real from the beginning.

>>724744662
I'm pretty sure most of these games have higher difficulty settings anon

Sandbag simulators inherently are boring
People prefer when enemies actually fight back