Thread 724739909

Does the Final Fantasy name still hold any prestige compared to its heyday? What did Final Fantasy mean to (You)? Do you miss it?

>>724739909 (OP)
I miss when dissidia was good

>>724739909 (OP)
Nope. FF13 killed FF over 10 years ago. Its been a shadow of its former self ever since. Im waiting for Square-Enix to go bankrupt at this point.

>>724739909 (OP)
I played Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy VI and Final Fantasy VII. Then I ignored the series for 20 years until Remake came out.

That said, that old games are charming, but modern Final Fantasy is substantially more prestigious and fun. Square Enix made the right decision in ditching the antiquated combat system.

>>724739909 (OP)
New FF game coming out was like the second coming of Jesus for young me. But then 11 was an MMO when our house didn't even have internet, 12 was really boring, 13 outright painful, and that was three strikes and out. My interest in the series just never recovered. I did play the later games too, but the magic is gone.

>>724740448
I remember seeing screenshots of FF8 pics in a gaming magazine and was super hyped. I cant tell if me not being interested in later FF games is a result of the quality dropping or me growing up.

>>724740339
>That said, that old games are charming, but modern Final Fantasy is substantially more prestigious and fun. Square Enix made the right decision in ditching the antiquated combat system.

>>724739909 (OP)
the last good one was ff12, so not anymore

When will Square-Enix realize that people don't in fact hate cinematic turn based combat systems and would enjoy seeing another mainline game with it? Did the success of Expedition 33 game get through to them?

Playing ff9 for the first time recently made me really sad.
This series used to be something special and they squandered it.

>>724739909 (OP)
>Does the Final Fantasy name still hold any prestige compared to its heyday?
No.
>What did Final Fantasy mean to (You)?
Gay looking girly men aside, the fantasy settings were some of the most memorable. Ivalice, Midgar and Zanarkand were all places that drew me in and made me want to explore and know more about them.
>Do you miss it?
No. These games are okay when you're a kid with infinite free time but as a grown man there's no chance I'd touch one of these.

Final Fantasy stopped being Final Fantasy when airships went from being fun things you could fly around a world map in, to being just boring static menus.

>>724739909 (OP)
No.

>>724740119
>FF11 killed FF over 20 years ago
FTFY, zoomie.

>>724740339
>Square Enix made the right decision in ditching the antiquated combat system.
Based.

I still love them and will still play them
To me they represent extremely high effort crafted games that are only rarer and rarer in today's corporate dev climate

>>724739909 (OP)
>What did Final Fantasy mean to (You)?
About 200 hours in Final Fantasy Tactics and about as much time jerking off to the catgirls in FFXI
>Do you miss it?
I miss that design of catgirl, yeah.

>>724739909 (OP)
Final Fantasy only held "prestige" because you were a dumb kid who hadn't yet realized that there wasn't anything special about FF games. They were just another series of okay RPGs with better brand recognition.

After twenty years of playing other RPGs, I look back and realize how many entries in the FF franchise had mid-mechanics and meh stories.

>>724739909 (OP)
Final Fantasy to me was synonymous with niggas in a row gameplay, interesting stories and flashy cutscenes.
When they abandoned niggas in a row gameplay with XII I stopped giving a shit about Final Fantasy.

>>724741521
>>FF11 killed FF over 20 years ago
FF12 was still kino, retard.

>>724741521
FF10

>>724741735
NTA but people were already wary of FF by the time FF12 was released. People weren't nearly as excited for 12 as they were for 10.

now? no, not really. It's broken down to a point where people specify the title they're referring to when they say FF. It's never "I like FF" it's "I like FF7" or whatever.
14 being such an enormous company-shattering failure really did a number. They fucked over 11 to shill 14, 13 came out after years of development and was basically just a movie game that never opened up (gran pulse was really the only remotely open area and you can do all it's content in a couple hours), 14 flopped so hard it almost killed the company and they re-developed it entirely as a wow clone, 15 had similar issues to 13 and the dismal display of 13's sales (though 13-2 and LR did okay after for re-using assets), so they basically culled the planned 13 world expansion and turned it into 15, but they didn't have the rest of the world set up. Plans to use FF0's world as a basis for 15 (according to IR) fell through, so they basically just had no lore for 15 at all ready a year before launch, so they started rushing to license and commission movies and books and comics and manga to flesh out the world, except they all came out in the period surrounding the game's release, and it just made people pissed that they had to watch a movie, read a manga, and then just fucking GUESS to figure out half of the story and motivations of characters. also the DLCs were just content ripped right out of the game and huge portions of their assets and code and level geometries and combat systems were ingame from day 1.

tl;dr no
not even a chance. 16 wasn't even a final fantasy game, if you didn't say it was one, people wouldn't assume it's one, they'd think it's a generic fantasy game.

>>724739909 (OP)
Final Fantasy is a completely dead IP that continues to exist in a zombie state. The old heads at Square Enix that keep working on it are mentally stuck in the war zone of being a Japanese developer in the 2000s, back when game journalists just hated the Japanese and their style of creative expression. (They still do, but they mask it and tone it down.)
Final Fantasy post-XIII is an IP incredibly insecure about being Japanese, that has no connection to the appeal of the old games. Even attempts at nostalgia baiting like FFVIIR are tainted by this insecurity.

>>724741773
FF9

>>724739909 (OP)
Absolutely not. Here's their timeline:
>Release FFXIII to hugely divisive reception
>Decide to give that divisive game a whole trilogy (something they've never done before)
>Release XIV, their second MMO, it fails and needs to be shut down and fixed
>Spends 10 years working on an incomplete XV. It's story makes no sense and the gameplay is horrendous.
>Panics and spends the next 15 years slowly remaking FFVII
>In the midst of all this just quietly release a NEW game that gets forgotten about because everything is still FFVII

Once you go to remakes it's a full admission that you don't have any ideas and are creatively bankrupt. FF is dead.

>>724739909 (OP)
Not since FF10.

FF12 killed the franchise. I don't even remember any characters from that game except Bunny Girl.

>>724743098
13 was always meant to be a "multimedia series", versus 13 was announced before 13 came out, in case you forgot.
In fact, it was like 95% xbox 360 and MS dominance in the west that fucked 13 over so hard, 13 and 13-2 were originally intended to be one single entry, you can find the cut entire seventh ark, and half a dozen bosses that ended up as contents in 13-2. Xbox would have needed ten or more discs to get it done, so they demanded the games be split up, and threatened to not allow squenix to release on their platform if they didn't force the same for sony too. MS was insanely jealous in gen 7, it was crazy. It's why MKX took so long, they straight up blacklisted netherealm after kratos was in mk9. Without that, 13 still wouldn't have been good, don't get me wrong, but it would have been a lot less poorly received going forward, without that shitty cliffhanger ending.

>>724739909 (OP)
honestly final fantasy went into a bigger dark age than sonic

What's the best Final Fantasy? 6 or 7?

Expedition 33 is what FF was supposed to become after FF10

Instead we had 25 years of SHIT

>>724743735
I prefer 6 because I like the world and story more. I think they both have a lot of charm and appeal in their own ways though.

>>724743865
Wrong.

>>724743735
9 mogs both

As far as I'm concerned, the FF series ended with X, which was really the last good game to come out of the series.

>>724743735
5.

>>724744195
>>724744251
You guys are still not saying the right answer.

>>724744251
what's your opinion on dimensions (1)

>>724740339
Replace FF1 with FF10 and that’s been my FF experience as well. Still not sold on the idea of ditching turn-based for real-time with slow-motion / pause but I enjoyed Remake and Rebirth and am just hoping they stick the landing for Part 3. Modern SE being what it is I doubt this will happen but I’ll keep my fool’s hope.

>>724743735
16 > 15 > 14 > 13 ...

>>724744315
This image is extremely funny considering tiny blocky Cloud utterly mogs the mopey effeminate compilation-fag that is modern Cloud.

>>724744319
6 7 6 7

>>724741363
>This series used to be something special and they squandered it.
Not really exclusive to FF to be honest. Most game series from the 90s / early 2000s that have survived this long have all gone down this route since then.

>>724744383
yeah that's fkin hilarious bro like lmfaoooo holy kek im cryin ahahahahah

>>724739909 (OP)
Final Fantasy was practically the gold standard for JRPGs up through FFX. FFXI could've been played off as an experiment, since everyone was making MMOs at the time. Meanwhile FFXII wasn't terrible, but it didn't renew confidence in the franchise. Something to keep in mind is that there was 5 years between FFX and FFXII. For comparison, FFVII, VIII, IX, and X came out within the span of 4 years. So FFXII needed to be a home run to justify that big wait, but it was just okay. So then after another 4 years, FFXIII came along and was actively shit. The plot was shit, the characters were shit, and gameplay was shit. It had nothing going for it besides looking very pretty. It completely nuked the franchise and Squeenix hasn't been able to reclaim the throne since then. The name still lingers in the minds of people who experienced that golden age, but Squeenix has been struggling to even grasp the identity of the franchise since then, let alone actually make a decent game.
If you ask me, Bravely Default is the best Final Fantasy game made in the last 20 years because it actually had a better grasp on what Final Fantasy is supposed to be than Final Fantasy itself has had in all these years.

>>724744469
Art is a reflection of the time it was made. The 90's were a better time, simple as.

>>724744195
9's story goes completely up it's own ass after the first act.

>>724744721
>Squeenix has been struggling to even grasp the identity of the franchise since then
This is the most confusing shit. How do you fail to grasp the identity of a franchise as simple as FF? Magitek setting that's whimsical and fun to explore, but has a hidden darkness behind it, and a group of plucky characters, unlikely allies brought together by a common purpose that starts small, but eventually escalates to battling a god-like entity that threatens the world. Throw in a waifu with the power of destiny, turn-based combat, summons, and you have your game. Hell, be fancy and build on FFX/FFX-2 and have a really juicy end-/postgame that tests your understanding of the game's mechanics for some extra longevity.

>>724743551
>13 was supposed to be even fucking longer
Even if the decision was driven by Microsoft being petty faggots, I can't imagine playing that god forsaken game another 20+ hours or whatever they intended.

>>724743735
9

>>724739909 (OP)
Still the best-selling JRPGs after Pokemon despite the decline.

>>724744994
The only plot points that really bugged me are Dagger going temporarily mute and Necron. Neither add basically anything to the plot.

>>724745050
wrong answer only one dude said the right answer

Both Gooch and Uematsu said basically everything started going to shit when Spirits Within bombed.

It does correlate.

>>724745904
Sakaguchi himself was barely involved in the series after 5, and his main contribution was writing the script for FF9. He is solely and fully responsible for Spirits Within, so the blame falls on him.

>>724745025
Yeah, it's not a complicated formula, but Squeenix has this idea in their head that every Final Fantasy game needs to be pushing the boundaries in some way. They've been chasing the high that FF7 gave them nearly 30 years ago. But after FF10, there wasn't much more boundary to push besides making the visuals more flashy. And so that's practically all they've done for 20 fucking years. They can't accept that they need to go back to basics. FF16 is what they think getting back to basics looks like and that should tell you everything you need to know about how broken their mindset is.
>See, it's a more medieval setting just like the old games! That's what you guys are asking for, right?

Kind of but not really. I mean if a FF17 was announced there would be hype for it but it would still not really sell well.

>>724746341
FF has been surviving on goodwill for many years, seems only recent releases it is beginning to dwindle

>>724745904
The whole thing was the peak of hubris. They thought they were spinning gold and revolutionizing media. They thought Aki was going to be the world's first "artificial actress" who was going to be some kind of digital starlet that they could use across multiple films and roles like a real actor.

>>724745904
SW was okay.

>>724746205
He became less involved in the creative process, but Sakaguichi was involved from a producer standpoint. And really, that is something SE can't seem to get right. And he wasn't really wrong about high production value CGI film being the future (look at Marvel), he just got in it too soon when it was too costly. Though those kinds of ventures are also what push things forward, and one thing people say about SW was that it had amazing effects and detailed rendering.

>>724743735
I like 7 best, but I haven't played through 1, 2, 3, or 10 yet. I wish the HD remaster of X at least had Japanese voices, I could stomach the ugly models but not with the English dub too. Or is the English dub of X enjoyable enough?

>>724739909 (OP)
I lost hope fully in Square after 15. I cant give them credit for Bravely Default and Rebirth is great but its no playing FF 7-10 for the first time.

>>724739909 (OP)
Isn't it still one of the top 10 series most discussed online?
I'd say yeah, it's still massively culturally relevant to vidya
>prestige
the games were never that good lets be real. As a turn-based it was always ecliped by the likes of SMT, ATB sucked, the games were still good and had mass-appeal despite everything.

>>724746827
I think the goodwill is gone now and they are at the point where they have to prove themselves. I think most zoomers have been alive longer than they have seen a new Final Fantasy game get released with the reception of the playstation games. Who knows if they even care about it at this point

>>724747832
>Bravely Default
the OG bravely default eclipses everything SqE released prior and after.
I play a lot of Sqenix games, but none of them really measure up to BD1
Somehow, I doubt they could recreate it

>>724747659
wrong answer again
only one dude said it

FFX was the downfall of the series. That game killed FF and all the magic that the series had. Only truly intelligent people with real insight will recognise this.

>>724747659
X’s dub is awkward due to how they had to match the timing of the Japanese voices like in anime, and the translation of some lines is a bit direct and sounds awkward spoken aloud. You can tell just how novel full voice acting in a videogame was by how clunky the execution is. But the casting is actually pretty good. It’s not a bunch of the usual anime dub VAs that shit up the industry. And there are moments where it’s honestly better than the Japanese audio. And I despise English dubs, so I’m not saying that lightly.
One of the best moments in the whole game (the Yunalesca encounter) is an odd mix of 10/10 acting, and the typical awkwardness of the game’s VA work. Auron in particular is one of the only characters in Japanese media that’s better in English.

>>724748794
I don't mind it as the first stab for going fully 3d, but I do agree there was a lot lost with it. Would be cool to see what a FF would look like if they just kept going more in the direction of 6/7/8/9. Something like I am Setsuna or Octopath Traveler, but with an actual budget that FF used to get.

>>724749038
I'll say Tidus is probably better in Japanese though. Not because of the VA but yeah the voice direction wasn't as great. Hearing Tidus freak out in japanese or the slight voice cracks facing Sin was great.

>>724749236
6/7?

>>724749313
Yeah Final Fantasy 6 and 7. The series seems like it had a certain trajectory with it until FFX. You kind of see glimpses of it with Bravely Default, I am Setsuna, and Octopath, but they never quite hit the same notes. Hard to tell if it's just the budget and are rushed out (i.e. Tokyo RPG Factory) or the talent just can't exact the same.

>>724749835
......6 7?

>>724748794
It's like Metroid Fusion where it still does a lot of things right and it's a fine game on its own, but the things it took away were a great loss and some of the things it introduced would become poison in later installments.

>>724749038
Honestly, I still think it holds up pretty decently for a JRPG dub

>>724739909 (OP)
Every game after 7 felt like a gradual attempt to groom me into homosexuality, thankfully i was able to recognise the signs in time and never played Kingdom Hearts
In all seriousness i like 6 and 7, i like the 7 remake games, but otherwise i don't really care about the series

>>724750345
6 7 ?????