Thread 724740074

Was it the superior game?

HK is like Mass Effect 1, Silksong is like Mass Effect 2. Sequel tried to make it bigger and cooler and it was certainly more refined on a mechanical gameplay level, but in every other way that mattered it was a sidegrade or downgrade (story, characters, lore, music, world design, pace, atmosphere, etc)

It's the best metroidvania, yes.

>>724740410
>boss baby vibes
That comparison doesn't work at all. Mass Effect 2 doesn't even play well and is braindead, while Hollow Knight 1 is a very casual safe gameplay formula, rehashing Shovel Knight for the most part.

If they went from Silksong to HK1, that would be Mass Effect 1 to 2.

>>724740074 (OP)
nah, the sequel is better in everything, the world building is more complex, the movement is more fluid, the combat has far more options, the visuals are 100x times better, bosses and enemies actually do something instead of being punshing bags, the level design and platforming is better, the ost is actually a recorded orchestra and theres far more build variety

>>724740074 (OP)
In what category? As far as indie 2D platformers go it's a long way behind Shovel Knight.

>>724740771
>If they went from Silksong to HK1, that would be Mass Effect 1 to 2.
No it wouldn't, you don't know what is actually good about ME1 and what is bad about ME2.

>>724740074 (OP)
This is the better game but the people who died on a hill for silksong and somehow thinks it’s going to win GOTY won’t tell you otherwise because it’ll make them look and feel stupid. The knight is a better character overall. The story is more interesting. Silksong felt like 20 dollar dlc.

>>724741091
I know that you're way too invested in a Bioware baby game series for your opinion to really mean a damn. You know they're both casual console arpgs, right? For morons and women?

>>724741267
Spoken like someone who’s been mindcucked by zips

Silksong is a better game in every single way except for narrative pacing, which is one of the least important aspects

>>724740074 (OP)
Yes.

>>724740074 (OP)
the original was the harder imo
hopefully silksong get more dlc that even the gap

>>724740074 (OP)
if you dont understand why the original was better i think you're just an automaton honestly
the biggest possible difference is what the whole story revolves around. the story of silksong revolves around lace. the story of hollow knight revolves around.. the hollow knight. lace is a garbage central pillar for a game, you have no standards or palate for quality if you don't feel that

>>724740074 (OP)
Silksong is better in every conceivable way and the only people telling you otherwise are the ones that didn't play it

>>724741604
>the story of silksong revolves around lace.
Try actually playing the game you shitposting retard

>>724741583
Even basic Silksong enemies are harder than every HK boss besides Radiance and NKG

>>724741672
>>724740936
>>724741478
>>724741734
Nice samefagging tranny.

it's very different but it was much better balanced and novel

>>724740074 (OP)
only by the fact that it didn't insist upon itself.

>>724741689
>Try actually playing the game you shitposting retard
i did
the final act and the brunt of the main story revolves around lace
nigger

>>724740074 (OP)
I would say so, yes. With the sequels of Super Mario Galaxy and God of War for example, I felt "whoa this is like Galaxy/GoW but better!!1!".

I didn't feel this way with Silksong. Too much bloat with fetch quests and mini gauntlets, would be my biggest complaint. And I think HW was too polished already compared to Galaxy1 and GoW1.

>>724741604
hollow knight does fuck all in the original game you fucking cretin
>>724741985
>the final act
half of it

>>724740074 (OP)
SS is just more HK, which is fine but it's just... that.

>>724740074 (OP)
This was the better game because later on all of the racially ambiguous trannies found it and started debating shit like the knights gender and later projected all that gay shit into silksong.

>>724742023
>hollow knight does fuck all in the original game you fucking cretin
the hk in the original game is a character whose presence and the role is built up and his boss fight is arguably the narrative peak of the game
lace is a poochie type of character that is liked only by yuritroons and self inserting femcels who jerk their gash to hornet

>>724740074 (OP)
Yes
Silksong only surpasses it in movement and combat

>>724742008
Apparently I think the prequel to Silksong is named Hollow White.

>>724742194
narrative peak of the game is abyss and the game revolves around the blight i.e. radiance and hollow knight is a shit boss

>>724740074 (OP)
>story
HK>SS
>music
HK>SS
>visuals
HK=SS, I prefer the variety HK brings with areas like greenpath, crystal peak, city of tears, and fog canyon but SS has decent areas in the second half, it's just bone marrow -> deep docks feels pretty samey
>spells
HK>SS
>charms
HK>SS
>movement
SS>HK
Grubs>Fleas
Dream Nail>Needolin
Stag>Bell Beast
Radiance>GMS as a character
Radiance>Lace as a final boss

>>724740771
>rehashing Shovel Knight
Very stupid post.

>>724742615
>Grubs>Fleas
how? They're all just in jars, whereas fleas are often trapped in a variety of interesting or funny ways.

>>724740074 (OP)
HK is the most overrated game I've played. I hate everything about it except the artstyle. Even the music is bland. Why do normies love it so much is beyond me, maybe I just have autism and don't get it but I think it's a 3/10 game. And I think Silksong is great.

>>724741734
imo hornet's options are simply much better than the knight's. healing in the air trivializes most of the game.
either way you'll have your opinion and I'll have mine

>>724742870
>hollow knight is shit
>but this game that is just 90% hollow knight in a different map? that's the bomb
lol

>>724742826
I don't have to collect grubs to fight Radiance
They also have the common sense to give you geo as you collect grubs instead of saving it all for after you collected all of them and have probably bought out the shops

Honestly no, SS is far superior in just about every regard.

Honestly yes, SS is far inferior in just about every regard.

Honestly maybe, but Bloons TD 6 is just superior in every regard

>>724740074 (OP)
Its complete, i like it more than current Silksong, but once we get all the dlc im pretty sure theyll stand next to each other with pretty much no issues
current silksong still feels like a dlc to HK, an amazing one, but it has that vibe, so im patiently waiting at least for its godhome or whatever theyll make for boss rush
anyways i absolutely love both games, an amazing duology, inseparable i would say, like OOT and MM

>>724742615
>Grubs over fleas
trash taste

Hornet is a better character design than the gay baby bug but that's about all Silksong has going for it.

>>724741985
>the final act and the brunt of the main story revolves around lace
No it fucking doesn't. Silksong is a game about Hornet and Pharloom. Lace is a small part of the game and even act 3 is about Hornet and Silk, not Lace

>>724742870
you just have autism

>>724742615
>music
>HK>SS
You are a toddler

>>724740074 (OP)
SS does literally everything better than HK.

>had fun all throughout HK
>only 80% of Act 2 is fun and everything else is a slog in SS
That's just how it is for me. Besides dlc I don't think I'll touch SS again.

>>724740074 (OP)
HK does literally everything better than SS.

>>724742615
>music
HK>SS
>visuals
HK=SS
>spells
HK>SS
youre not this delusional

>>724742968
The gameplay of HK is about as comparable to 9S as the gameplay of Doom: Eternal to Resident Evil 7. They are both first person, they both have guns and monsters, wow they must be 90% alike.

>>724743660
>music
>HK>SS
Both games have shit music. It's forgettable elevator music of video games.
>visuals
>HK=SS
HK has mobile game Newgrounds flashgame tier retextured squares for levels with black and white bugs. SS has actual proper video game levels with varied enemy design.

>>724740074 (OP)
SS was simply doing enough things different to not be a clone of HK that there's no point faulting it for those things when they amount to personal taste. There are several actual flaws with Silksong, but overall the game is more of a sidegrade to HK rather than one being fully superior over the other. Both are 8/10 games in different ways, although I will say HK is more consistent with that while SS has more spots that are either 10/10 or 6/10 or confusingly both at the same time. It feels like all that dev time resulted in trying to do more instead of refining what they had.

>>724743660
>music
HK has the better overall music
Every track is memorable and fits the moment
>visuals
HK has a more consistent artsyle, some of the deisgn and areas in SIlksong feel too "out there"
>spells
HK spells actually do damage and have more risk/reward

>>724744334
>HK has the better overall music
No, it doesn't, and you are mentally 4 years old

>>724744334
Abyss Shriek is the only spell that does more damage than silk skills, although I will concede that requires fully upgrading the needle which isn't available until you beat the flea minigames in act 3, while the soul spells only need you to find them.

In certain aspects, yes.
While Silksong has much better gameplay, HK had:
>A better OST
>Better Ambiance
>More memorable boss fights
>The better finale
>Better characters
>Better platforming challenges

>>724744365
Yes, it does, recency bias is clouding your low iq mind
>>724744498
Silk Skills are just not worth it when SIlk Tools are plain better unless they get boosted by Shaman or Volt Filament

>>724740074 (OP)
Hollow Knight was a situation of exceeded expectations, because indie metroidvania with a cartoony style and sad story by literal whos ticks every red flag possible.
Silksong however we already knew team cherry was capable of kino so it wasn't nearly as much of a surprise.

>>724744904
Okay but the existence of silk tools doesn't change the comparison of damage between soul spells and silk skills. Snare setter is the only good one anyway, all of the silkshots are pretty mediocre in terms of damage.

>>724740074 (OP)
>Was it the superior game?
Without question.

>>724745367
I cannot imagine how miserable your life must be

>>724743071
Fag
>>724743128
>>724743212
Kek

>>724740074 (OP)
There are things that Silksong does better, but I think Hollow Knight's simplicity is more enjoyable.

>>724743948
Go play FF

>>724740074 (OP)
only if you don't enjoy playing game, hollow knight is visually more appealing but silksong plays way better

>>724742870
i was with you until saying silksong is good

they both stink.

>>724745613
I gave up on SE after their 12-13-7-but-reimagination-lmao streak.

>>724745540
My knee hurts, but Im a highly educated millionaire in my 30s whos had threesomes. So you know, you win some you lose some. I like rollslop, Im indifferent to trannies, I hate speed running and SS.
Overall 8/10 existence. Highly recommend.

>>724745880
Understandable

>>724745884
roleplaying irl isn't healthy, anon

>>724740410
>story, characters, lore, music, world design, pace, atmosphere, etc
All of these are improved in Silksong

>>724745715
I didn't expect to like it but I prefer to form my own opinions so I played it and was very surprised. It plays nothing like HK luckily (outside of some superficial similarities).

>>724740074 (OP)
Silksong didn't improve on good points of HK all that much but made all the bad points way worse
It's "THAT part: the game"

>>724740074 (OP)
No. Still a great game, but Silksong clears.

>>724746026
Exactly, its why the trannys 41% and escape into speed running SS, a shitty autist game. LOL!
Honestly, has a fanbase ever had less sex.

>>724745884
>My knee hurts, but Im a highly educated millionaire in my 30s whos had threesomes. So you know, you win some you lose some.
This post is incredibly pathetic whether it's true or not. I actually hope it's true because that would make it even more pathetic.

I encourage anyone claiming HK to be the superior title to actually replay it from scratch

>>724744498
>Abyss Shriek is the only spell that does more damage
This is a wrong way to approach the damage potential. Knight can cast more, he can literally machinegun spells since you charge them in 2 to 3 hits. His spells cover more area or have iframes, and also significantly less commitment. He just outspams Hornet to such a ridiculous extent the exact numeric values of spells themselves don't matter.

>>724746109
>>724740410
Sorry, I meant to say downgraded.

>>724740074 (OP)
I honestly enjoyed the silent protagonist much much more. It fits the atmosphere of the game so good.

>>724743345
See
>>724743010
Also grubs don't require you to do a bunch of minigames to get a piece of pale ore

>>724746520
I did.
The only thing that's clearly worse is the gameplay since the knight is way less acrobatic than Hornet

>>724746364
Im sorry you dont have any wins to brag about in your life : (
This Anon is an example of misserable. Anyways off to watch my team win a world series. You have fun seething loser! Ill leave you with a pic I took for my own personal amusement (hence the upside down). LOL!

>>724746537
In terms of base unupgraded numbers the DPS is around the same. HK is more flexible with charm builds to boost spell damage, reduce spell cost, and boost soul gain, while SS is stricter to try and force you into the intended run-and-gun gameplay (unless you use Beast to facetank). But silk spells are far from useless and people sleeping on them to keep a panic heal are gimping themselves.

>>724746908
>bragging about wealth in an anonymous forum

>>724740410
Accurate as fuck.

I played HK in August it was complete dogshit and a boring snore, Silksong was cool though solid 8/10. Its narrative was far weaker (blacked lace was fairly insulting as a final boss on all fronts) but it's a metroidvania I don't give a fuck about that

>>724746556
Go back to your discord

>>724740074 (OP)
Absolutely not. It's a good, solid Metroidvania, but everything it does well enough, Silksong matches or improves on. Unless you think being able to basically ignore the combat mechanics past a certain point was the absolute best part of Hollow Knight, in which case, I can see why Silksong would disappoint you.

Hollow Knight is actually hard.
Silk Song is troon hard, where it pretends to be difficult but it does that by having long runback, double damage, and other retarded mechanics.

>>724747794
>t. Filtered by Bell Beast

>>724746908
A little vanagloria. I love to see it, one of my favourites.

>>724747794
>"I'm worse at video games than trannies"
a bold admission, to be certain

>>724748217
kys faggot. Trannies can afford to spend all their short, miserable lives doing tedious shit in games. Real people have a wife, kids, a job, a mortage, and productive hobbies that create things.

>>724748043
No, but the fact you have to beat a boss to unlock an essential feature of a game is laughable and proves my point exactly.

>>724748308
>"I'm worse at video games than trannies"
a bold admission, to be certain

>>724748308
>but the fact you have to beat a boss to unlock an essential feature of a game
You mean like in literally every metroidvania ever?

Silksong is better and easier

>>724748308
>fast travel is an "essential feature of video games"
>that means I must have it as a menu button and I must have it from the very start of the game or it is BAD DESIGN
zoomzoom begone, fast travel TRADITIONALLY comes in the form of specific networks with endpoints that you may or may not have to visit personally to unlock.

>>724748308
I remember back when real men actually decided to be good at their hobbies instead of whining like children falling for "le dad game" meme as an excuse for half-assing everything.

>>724748308
>No, but the fact you have to beat a boss to unlock an essential feature of a game is laughable and proves my point exactly.
this has been an extremely common thing in video games since the 4th generation, retard tourist-kun

>>724740074 (OP)
Yes. I played HK to 100% completion but dropped SS at Coral Tower. It's just miserable to play and there's nothing else in the game that I find appealing or want to do.

>>724744245
>Both games have shit music. It's forgettable elevator music of video games.
Based.

>>724748603
Video games are treated as a "media hobby" rather than a "craft hobby", so people view completing them as a right and understanding them as a skill they might have to learn.

They're both 7/10 games with forgettable music. Silksong has better movement but shittier areas and shitty quests

>>724740074 (OP)
>no bro you don't get it, the bad game design, unpolished mechanics, hitboxes, BLOAT, and convolution are SUPPOSED to be there bro, that's what makes it hard!!!! Hard game is when fat boss with ads!!!!

7 years btw lmao. Lighting does not strike twice it seems.

>>724749631
What fat boss has infinitely respawning adds that you desperately want to just stay dead?

Who would win?
>Godhome Knight
>Act 3 Hornet

Ultimately even if you like HK you should acknowledge that they are extremely gay games with an extremely gay fanbase and should be enjoyed in the closet (or reddit where being a faggot is ok). The purity of /v/ must be preserved.

>>724750129
>okay maybe it's good but it's also gay and you're therefore not supposed to talk about it being good
Shut the fuck up faggot.

>>724750219
you're literally a tranny

>>724750368
Keep projecting troon

>>724750129
>The purity of /v/

>>724750368
>I tailor my online behavior to avoid people calling me a faggot on /v/
>let me tell you how you should do the same
I'll say it again: FAGGOT. You are a flaming faggot. Never talk about "purity" again.

I am playing hk right now i fucking hate the le dark souls storytellling. Jesus christ there was no need here, just do a coherent story.

>>724750878
Silksong does this much better because Hornet is an actual character that speaks

>>724751283
Her ability to speak doesn't bring anything to the table though.

>>724751589
>being able to interact with other characters beyond blankly staring at them doesn't bring anything to the table

>>724750878
The story is perfectly coherent, you just saw a soulstard lore breakdown video and made assumptions.

>>724751729
/v/ is still arguing about the actual PLOT of this game. Not the lore, not the world backstory, the actual content of the narrative events that occur on-screen during the playthrough.

Hornet speaking does not make the storytelling less opaque.

>>724751932
It doesn't make /v/'s collective skulls any thinner either.

>>724751932
How is it in any way opaque? Pretty much everything is plainly laid out

>>724751729
She could keep her mouth shut and it wouldn't make any difference. Name one line worth remembering from her.

>>724751898
No i am playing the fucking game right fucking now retard.

>>724752115
Then whatever you've failed to notice is your own fault.

>>724752292
Sure buddy. I am litterally the only one with this problem.

>>724752415
Literally? No. But if you have this problem, you may simply not be the target audience.

>>724740074 (OP)
Yes
I do like the gameplay in silksucc though and would like to see a hornet mod for HK even if it would make the game piss easy

>>724752478
And what is the target audience? The "i need to see external content or a faggot on youtube speculating for two hours to give a sense of whatever the fuck happened?". Every hack developer in the last 15 years tried to do it's own "it's like le dark souls" because they are just incompetent and they can't do storytelling.
It's not zanzibart like the from stuf but holy shit they tried. At least i suppose we had a bestiary with a couple of context clues.

>>724752808
I didn't need external help to understand the story.

I saw a kid dressed up as hollow knight trick or treating. wasn't expecting that.

Question for you retards. Reading on the extra i saw some "dlc" content which are "two giant bosses" one is clearly zote in the dream who is the other?

>>724750069
Hornet in their playable forms. Knight after beating AbsRad ascends to a form far beyond what Hornet could ever dream of, but before that last hit Hornet beats him.

>>724753582
Rad. If i see a girl dressed as hornet i am at risk of molesting her.

>>724752073
>I've stood sentinel over a dying land before, I will not again

Which is the worst?

The Infection

The Haunting

The Void

Lifeblood/ Plasmium

>>724753839
bro.....
based

>>724752478
NTA but nigga you ask something about hk everywhere you get at least 4-5 different answers because litterally almost nothing outside the story of the vessel is well written and some info are lacking from the game. It's a bit too late to be a contrarian.

>>724746279
so thats the new line the shazamtrannies are going with after getting raped again

Just came here to see grimm is hot as fuck and i really want to see some porn of him.

>>724740074 (OP)
>babies first metroidvania
no.

>/v/ is still crying and screaming because it lost and got filtered
>again

so, they moved to Pharloom Bay right?

>>724740074 (OP)
Im actually having more fun with silksong. Hollow knight was an excellent game but its kind of nice to have a protagonist who is an actual character rather than a literal empty vessel.

>>724740074 (OP)
I beat Hollow Knight because everyone was talking about Silksong and wanted to know properly what the game was about.
I got a few questions:
Is (Our) Knight a better vessel than The Hollow Knight, or is he just as flawed if not more? The Pale King said the Vessel needed to be Hollow, Mute and all, to the point he reproduced hundreds to thousands of times until the perfect one was conceived, but either he developed emotions by himself (looking back as the Player's Knight was climbing out of the Abyss) or by bonding with the Pale King.
Our Knight can take the place of the Hollow Knight in one of the endings, but he went outside and back to Hallownest, adventuring through the game as we played. Doesn't sound like he was Hollow to me as the king intended.

Also did no one bother to rescue or repurpose all the other failed vessels thrown down there? Between Lost Kin and all the Knight-like carcasses leading to the fight with the Doppelganger I assumed Our Knight wasn't the only one that climbed back out from there.

>>724754616
Yes anon, along with Garmond, Cloth, and the dog you had when you were a child, they're just waiting for you in Pharloom Bay.

>>724746537
In a way thats kinda cool because the knight is canon stronger than her

>>724754619
>an actual character
Hornet is notoriously generic.

>>724740410
Except silksong is way more mechanically complex, has several movesets with crests, tools and spells, even a magic centered play style, like mass effect 1, that they dumbed down in a shitty tps without zero RPG.
Everything you listed is also better on silksong, except maybe music, but both are shit anyway.

>>724754927
How so? She seems dignified and knightly to me.

>>724750069
I'm not that far into Silksong so I assumed the rest of the game would be about restoring her former power. If she caps at what she was in Hollow Knight, she is all by means weaker and repeatedly proven as such.

>>724748043
>>724748217
Its not hard, its just awful. Of course we wont die to random fly in the runback, it will just lose a few minutes walking back. Double damage is just artificial way to make people stop to heal and that actually favors bad players because to balance it they have to make the window between move sets wider to allow healing and parrying easier. I much prefer if some moves did less damage while the move set being way harder to deal with. This way I spend more time actually moving around and fighting

>>724751932
>/v/ is still arguing about the actual PLOT of this game
Because you don't have a plot. You have a series of "go there to do this and then go there to do that" which is the worst kind of storytelling ever. That's not a plot. They biggest point is "yeah you don't choose your course except suddenly now you can lol". I swear if they let the "main character" to say "wow hornet is hot as fuck now i want to simp for her" at least it would have a sembiance of a plot. Passive protagonists dogwalked into the "plot" is the worst thing ever and the most cheap and easy storytelling for amateurs and hacks.

>>724755040
Exactly.

>>724752073
>zanzibart... forgive me....

>>724754821
The Knight is special for having somehow been able to escape from and return to Hallownest, and it's what allows him claim the King's Brand and Void Heart, in turn allowing him to guide the void enough to kill Radiance. The Knight is special enough that the need to be hollow is essentially irrelevant, and in fact the endings where he continues the cycle are the bad endings.
And once the vessel that would become the Hollow Knight left, the abyss was sealed because the Pale King and White Lady considered the entire process a shameful disgrace that was only done because it was either that or extinction. Some other vessels escaped as you mentioned, but they weren't supposed to, and it's why Hornet initially reacts to the Knight with hostility, because she thinks he's just one of the others.

>>724755218
At least shes not a sassy boss bitch.

>>724755183
>Because you don't have a plot. You have a series of "go there to do this and then go there to do that" which is the worst kind of storytelling ever.
I think your problem is that you're describing the gameplay, and mistaking it for a criticism of the plot. It's a Metroidvania, my dude. Plot should be secondary to gameplay, and whatever story is there is just icing on the cake. This is why none of the constant bitching about Lace makes any sense. The characters are there to flesh out the world, and the world is just the backdrop for exploration and combat. Imagine making these complaints about Symphony of the Night. You're not playing for the fucking plot.

>>724755040
So, she's basically Freya from FF IX?

>>724755183
>You have a series of "go there to do this and then go there to do that"
Broseph that is literally every video game, the fuck are you talking about?

>>724754821
There is a giant unexplained point regarding the role of the vessels. For player to get to the egg and become the hk you need to "kill" or whatever you have to do to the dreamers. There is a procedure, extremely specific, to do.
What do the others did? Had the others to "kill" their own dreamers? Have they failed because they didn't kill them or there were no dreamers or they killed them with a nerfed dreamnail? What happened to the lost kin? Did he escape the egg? Did he just roam free and got infected somewhere? How many HK you had before? Is the one in the egg the first one and the others all failed the "preliminaries" or there were others? Where did they go?

>>724754821
The Knight was truly hollow in normal ending, but was not if you (as the knight) freed ghostly bugs from their eternal dreaming, same thing with Hornet, but she granted wishes instead.
>I assumed Our Knight wasn't the only one that climbed back out from there
You are the only one that was truly hollow. The rests are just corpses

>>724754949
>Has several movesets
>Attacks are 90% similar with slightly different attack speeds and reach between the weapons
>There are only 7 crests total
>The rest of the industry has more weapons with more variety than that and HollowNiggers cheer at generic changes that the rest of the industry moved past decades ago
I expected more of the same from Silksong but it was a massive failure for gameplay, rewards, pacing, story, characters, lore, and even the tools lack the variety and freedom that crests had from the first game.
>except maybe music, but both are shit anyway.
Man the music in both games rocked so I guess you are I are just very different people. Cheers you weird bastard.

>>724755912
>You're not playing for the fucking plot.
Braindead take.

>>724756235
The others failed because they were just mindless wandering and shambling around, filled with void but with no direction. It was the Knight only by virtue of leaving the kingdom and returning that had a semblance of will.

Silksong is better. Hollow Knight is a generic Metroidvania with atmosphere while silksong actually plays awesome

>>724755912
>>724756071
Do you retards know the difference between plot and story? In lotr frodo didn't have a guy at every corner telling him "go there, go to this city, speak with that guy" every meter. The story in lotr is "you have to destroy the one ring". The plot is the travel.
In hk you don't have a story, you are a nobody amnesiac retard without any purpose coming into a city. A random bug tells you "go explore the ruins under the city it could be fun", when you explore the ruin another random bug tells you "wow sure those gardens are cool to see", in the gardens an hot sexy bug tells you to find yourself and so on and so forth this happens for ALL the fucking game. It's boring and it's lazy. You get the "story" litterally at the last area you discover.

lace = mesugaki
hornet = nopan

>>724756797
I didn't mention LotR, I mentioned video games.

>>724756236
>The Knight was truly hollow in normal ending, but was not if you (as the knight) freed ghostly bugs from their eternal dreaming
I don't understand. Does he stop being Hollow because that proves he developed emotions or because of the empowering he got from the ghosts freed?

>>724740074 (OP)
Nah. HK1's a solid 8/10, whereas Silksong's an 8.5/10. They both suffer from being too basic.

>>724740410
ME1 felt dated in certain aspects on release, and ME2 was unanimously considered the best of the trilogy.

silksong platforming was a slog

>>724756902
NTA but it's already been established that a Hollow Vessel can stop being Hollow given enough outside influence. Personally I'm of the opinion that none of the Vessels are truly Hollow. When the Pale King took the Hollow Knight, HK looked back at his struggling sibling. Something it had no reason to do if it were truly Hollow. And when you attain the Void Heart charm, it says that you have bound The Void to your will. But Vessels aren't supposed to have wills. Worst than any of this is that the Shades are described as being the embodiment of regrets staining the world. But a Vessel that feels nothing can regret?

All that to say I think the Pale King fundamentally misunderstood The Void right out of the gate which is why his plan backfired. If I had to throw in my 2 cents, I think that any bug who dies with regrets can create a shade that will sink into the Void the same way they can leave Dream Ghosts. That would explain why Pharloom also has The Void beneath it. Any civilization, especially a fallen one, will eventually fill with the regrets of the lost, creating an endless sea of Void at the foundation

>>724756902
He stopped being hollow when YOU (the knight) cared. You were The Knight. you were the one with emotions.
>but that's so arty farty, anon
It's an indie game

I'm at 20-something hours in silksong and still in the first act, I keep running into bosses that take like an hour of retries. Do I just suck at video games, I'm not hating the game I just wonder how bad I am at this.

>>724757413
yes, but don't worry about it. keep playing if you are having fun.

>>724757413
Don't worry, I had that problem too. I'm on my 2nd run through the game and bosses that took me forever, I'm blazing through. Although I'm still struggling with Savage Beastfly. Dancing with the lava is just hard for me

>>724757327
>All that to say I think the Pale King fundamentally misunderstood The Void right out of the gate which is why his plan backfired. If I had to throw in my 2 cents, I think that any bug who dies with regrets can create a shade that will sink into the Void the same way they can leave Dream Ghosts. That would explain why Pharloom also has The Void beneath it. Any civilization, especially a fallen one, will eventually fill with the regrets of the lost, creating an endless sea of Void at the foundation
That matches some of the notes of the Hunter that I was reading.
Frankly I always thought there was either something wrong with the plan or something the King misunderstood. The White lady of the garden did say the Vessel was perfect but stained later. And if something truly lacks any will, it shouldn't even bother to move. It wouldn't move even if ordered, stuff like that. Perhaps he even was right that it needed to be ''Hollow'' but what being hollow constitutes wouldn't be what the king thought. If this is true and that pale lady was also right, he got the perfect vessel right for the wrong reasons. And then accidentally corrupted it.

>>724757413
Nah it's just really hard. If you aren't having fun give up because it gets way worse.
The game is maybe the hardest game I played after playing games for 30 years. There is harder endgame bullshit in other games but it's disingenuous garbage like Malenia where you push the roll button a thousand times. Or you have to turn the difficulty up to Lunatic on a bullet hell shooter. This is the hardest turn it on and play it, regular video game that I can honestly think of.

>>724757571
Just stand still. If he charges at you then jump over him and pogo. If he spawns enemies just kill them asap and then stand still again.

>>724757413
Normal for first playthrough, i remember most bosses took me aroun 30 attempts lmao
on my second playthrough, i did almost all of them in my first try (and now in my new steel soul run i have to do them on my first try lmao)
dont worry, everyone has sucked in this game the first time, so just try to be patient and explore!

>>724757834
I only played the game once and didn't engage in loretranny talk and this is what I assumed just playing it. He can't actually be a hollow vessel if he is going around doing random shit all day. Either plot writers didn't flesh it out well enough or Pale King was just a retard. The only other thing is that he may have been Hollow and then taken over by a higher being, the way the other one was taken by the Radiance. There is indication the player is playing as a void god inside the knight. Either way the Hollow Knight has memories and stuff of the king so clearly he has some kind of will he gained at some point.

>>724757413
It's a 50-80 hour game

>>724758167
The game literally shows you a statue of the Hollow Knight, which is clearly not you. They also clearly state the hollow knight is locked up, which you are not.

>>724757834
I think it'd be more accurate to say the Vessels start with no ego rather than no will. You can tell it to do anything and it'll do it with no personal feelings. But the problem is that they can still learn to have personal feelings. The second the Hollow Knight began to value its father's opinion, the damage was already done. Conversely the Knight can obviously think and act and plan. And even though NPCs find it strange, very few of them identifies it as a Void being. So I think the only thing that separates The Knight from any other Vessel, including the Hollow Knight, is that The Knight has no one to impress. It's memory was wiped by leaving Hollownest. It's family is down in the Abyss. It's father is dead. I guess there's Hornet? But other than her, the only thing The Knight has is it's purpose to destroy The Radiance. Be it by it's own will in Dream No More or by the Void exploding from the Earth to invade both the spiritual and physical realms like in Embrace the Void.

>>724758286
>muh protag name argument again

>>724758343
You only become the hollow knight in one of the endings.

Am I a contrarian if I think silksong peaks at the last judge boss?

>>724758386
Yes, act 2 is the best part of the game and the citadel is awesome

>>724758386
I've seen back and forth opinions about Act 1 and Act 2 being the peak of the game but no one seems to advocate for Act 3 being the best. Personally I find Act 2 to be the best of the game although I love how tight and focused Act 1 is. That said I wouldn't want the whole game to be like Act 1. It would've made it too linear

>>724758386
No, it peaks when you trap GMS. Then you figuratively and literally descend into hell.

>>724758482
for me act 3 feels like a postgame of sorts, is not even close to the peak of silksong.
for me act 1 + 2 is the best part of any game ive ever plaayed, but act 3 is just bossfight which is kinda boring, like ER post leyndell

>>724754821
desu I came away thinking the Radiance really didn't do anything wrong. Mothnigger heretics got what they deserved.

>>724740074 (OP)
Others have already made the comparison, but Silksong is like DaS2. The major difference is it actually kept up the design quality in tandem with fundamentally misunderstanding what made the original game enjoyable. It was exploring a world and occasionally getting your shit pushed in. Not getting your shit pushed in and occasionally exploring the world. The world is richly designed, the combat and mechanics complex and varied, but it's all overtuned to the point it expects a veteran/expert of the first game. The game expects way more skill which does not necessarily exist even if you completed the first game since HK was a true metroidvania in the sense you could get by even without fully learning. The things that took mastery were far more apart and the base game lenient. Silksong does not give any such leniency and the devs started expecting the skill of its most diehard players who did full optional content and challenges.

It's prepare to die edition all over again. The only thing that saves Silksong is it's actually polished whereas DaS2 was cracked and rough even disregarding the fundamental design philosophy difference.

>>724758761
Radiance infected everyone to the point of destroying a kingdom and killing everyone.

>>724758803
nigga, i couldnt even do p3 becaus of uumuu and sly, ive neated silksong twice at 100%, silksong is not THAT hard

>>724740074 (OP)
>>724740410

For as much as I like SIlksong, Hollow Knight was a better game in general. It let the player do what they want instead of sticking them in a largely linear act-based structure. At no point in Hollow Knight did I feel I was progressing the story until I opened the arcane egg for true ending, every other point felt like there was still story to uncover. Silksong's act structure is fine, but it also provides unneeded linearity and progression to the story and constantly makes the player feel behind if they struggled against Last Judge or Grandmother Silk. While I appreciate Hornet's dialogue, there is little meaning in her words or thoughts outside of Act 3's final parts. And Hollow Knight had better ambience, Silksong's ambience sucks even if the main OST is great, and there are multiple large rooms/platforming sections where the dev team had the bright idea to mute Larkin's godlike ost so that the player can't hear anything while they struggle with said room or section.

>>724758803
>it's all overtuned to the point it expects a veteran/expert of the first game.
This stupid meme is more annoying than anything in Silksong.

>>724758731
For me I initially really liked the aesthetic of Act 3. Seeing the broken Pharloom. The Void tendrils everywhere. Grand Mother Silk screaming so loud from within The Void that it creates earthquakes and drains the color from the whole world. It honestly felt like we pivoted into a horror game

... for a whole hour. After that it felt like I was just ticking boxes. The climb to the Citadel was an actual climb. The descent into the Abyss was like taking 2 trains and a jog around the corner. It felt like The Abyss was the last hat trick left but that's not enough to justify a full act so it spread itself thin by giving it chores that you could just fast travel through. Am I being unfair? Silksong is my game of 2025 and it's not even a competition but I still feel like it got weak at the finish line.

Lace 2 and GMS were god tier fights
I haven't played the game since act 3 started it's just kinda annoying compared to HK desu

>>724758761
>released REM COVID into an anthill
>did nothing wrong

>>724758904
>largely linear act-based structure
Only the first 3 areas, after that the paths you can take through the game vary widely, with 2 intended routes to Act 2, and sequence break route to Act 2.
You don't even need to go to Deep Docks to make it to Act 2.

>>724740074 (OP)
Silksong is better in every single aspect aside from maybe the final boss (that's a huge blow though) and npcs in general though that is down to taste, the other travelers helping out several times even in random battles was a great touch but I simply didn't like most of them as much.
People saying the music was better in HK haven't actually listened to the ost, the Marrow alone is such a good song holy shit!

>>724758949
That's because you used a guide. I don't blame you because Act 3 is frustrating.

>>724758803
>a true metroidvania in the sense you could get by even without fully learning
So what you mean is a Trve Metroidvania is easy and you're angry because this game isn't.

>>724758949
in my case i was dissapointed by the lack of changes to the level sedign, i know they are a small team, but damn if its not boring, ari gibson pretty much did the whole act by himself lmao
also, giving you access to bellways was a error, most people barely interact with the void version of pharloom

>>724759067
Still shite. I can go into Deepnest, City of Tears, Crystal Peak or Blue Lake after Fungal and Mantis Lords. In contrast, I'm at Greymoor fighting Moorwing if we equalize the progression by number of bosses defeated. And not going through Deep Docks is, well, objectively harder thanks to Hunter's March, so....

>>724759197
level design*
i may be stupid :(

shame there is no fight as kino as radiance
they could have at least tried to make gms moon based or something

>>724750069
It's safe to say that the Knight is stronger than Hornet.
Don't think Hornet goes leaps above herself in SS but Knight becomes a true god by the end of Godhome.
I have a hard time picturing Hornet beating Pure Vessel Hollow Knight, Nightmare Grimm and Absolute Radiance.

>>724758867
The fact you even bring up the Pantheons proves my point. The vast majority of people did not even attempt one of them, yet alone complete any of them.

>>724759197
At a minimum, I feel like the important bellways needed to be unlocked again. So basically Act 1 is an ascent and Act 3 is a descent

>>724759250
That's the point, the game doesn't stop you from taking extremely difficult routes. That's why Mist is behind Sinners Road and Bilewater, two of the worst locations in the game. It's like Star Fox where the good route is the hard route.

>>724759250
Silksong even before act 3 is substantially longer than HK so number of bosses defeated isn't a fair comparison.
>And not going through Deep Docks is, well, objectively harder thanks to Hunter's March
You don't need to do either, just go up Wormways to Shellwood.

>>724759317
>shame there is no fight as kino as radiance

>>724759339
nta but silksong is for the fans that did, get fucked casual

>>724759359
Yeah, game doesn't stop you. Meanwhile in Hollow Knight I can breeze through Blue Lake and Resting Grounds if I had the sense to go back to Salubra and try climbing the wall. The game just has far less player freedom in Act 1, and even in Act 2 some areas (Mount Fay, Slab, Memoria, Putrified Ducts) are all meant to be completed in a certain order.

>>724759451
>just go up wormways into shellwood
>just
kek, guess we expecting speedrunner strats for the average player

>>724759339
uumuu is base game tho
and is a sequel, what did you expect? a easier game? play the first one... well, first lmao

>>724759536
>buying a key is a speedrunner strat
lmao

>>724759457
lol no
it's a good fight but there is no spectacle and the lore... well I forgo

>>724759484
Going straight to blasted steps is also difficult, even though it is the intended path in its most basic form.

>>724759581
>going up using multiple cocoons after dying in wormways isn't speedrunner strat
double kek, leave thread already

>>724759609
blasted steps pre-nerf was bad, but currently it isn't so bad. I'd give it the same level of difficulty as Soul Sanctum/Master in HK.

>>724759645
That part of wormways is fucking easy, what are you talking about?

>>724759605
The only kino parts about the Raidance fight are the intro and then ending. Karmelita is kino all the way through, even if Radiance has the best plot.

>>724759706
And who in the right mind at the start is going to say "yeah, this is what team cherry expects of me"? Unless you are a schizo, in which case see you at >>>/x/

>>724759739
let's just agree to disagree fren

>>724759645
Great how you watched some retard doing a passive run and explaining how much you have to exploit without dash but you have dash in this scenario and that is all you need to get up through the wormways.

>>724758482
>>724758509
Act 3 was unironically a mistake as an act.
The actual content of act 3 is simply a fucking postgame with secret fights and minigames and doing sidequests. Act 2 is basically the gameplay finale and Act 3 is completion shit with only one new postgame zone. The problem is it doesn't feel like a postgame, people feel they have to do it for the "true end". Why? Because they muddled the fucking plot into it. I beat up to act 2 blind and missed double jump and tons of upgrades. After that I was literally going through a checklist of content for hours and hours to try and get the "true end". After beating it all, I have nearly full completion. I basically did an entire postgame in gameplay but for plotwise, a normal story ending.

>>724759806
You need cocoons lmao, but whatever, stop bait already.

you can actually finish hollow knight without modding the shit out of it

>>724759758
>only schizo would say it's reasonable to see a key at the first merchant of the game and use it on a locked door
Considering you literally cannot access half of wormways without using a key, yes, TC expects you to use a key on a door.

>>724759849
NO YOU DON'T ARE YOU ACTUALLY RETARDED?

>>724759820
Godhome also had a canonical ending behind it. Silksong confirmed this

>>724759861
git gud

>>724759874
>only a schizo would expect cocoon use for platforming
Is it so hard to say this is unreasonable to expect of someone just starting to play the game and perhaps less than halfway through Act 1?

>>724759927
i didnt, like many people i just quit

>>724759962
You don't need cocoons to explore Wormways.

After first finishing Silksong, then going back to Hollow Knight, then going back to Silksong for the second playthrough, I can say this.

Given the choice of playing either game, I would pick Silksong. It has glaring flaws that HK doesn't (mainly pacing and "collect 10 boar asses" quests), but fuck man the combat is just so much fucking fun whereas Hollow Knight feels really limited in its moveset.

>>724760012
"explore" is not the same as "progress through wormways, get to shellwood and somehow progress the game.

>>724759985
hegale

>>724760293
You don't need cocoons to do either.

>>724758482
I think act 3 is fine but it lacking the exploration aspect hurts it I think, if it opened up a lot more new areas aside from just the Abyss and you unlocked the shaman crest earlier on I'd like it a lot more

>>724760103
I was fine with the regular collecting bear asses, just a matter of routing since they drop 100% and getting them exactly when available.
But the retard that left the silver bell quest in there, for what I assume were several years, needs to get punched in the face, especially when I had to do it every other day trying the 100% steel run.

Hollow Knight is extremely fun and cool. It has a perfect balance of depth and simplicity. Silksong is a bloated and convoluted mess for diaper-wearing trannies and furries.

>>724760686
Extremely organic post from someone who definitely played the game

>724760686
want this (You)? Become a better man first

>>724740074 (OP)
yes because it has proper game design/difficulty curve

Hollow Knight's story and themes are better than Silksong's

>Play HK/SS
>Don't remember a single track
>Play most other metroidvanias
>Still humming the music to this day
What causes this?

>>724760936
Maybe you should turn the volume up when you play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTicXQYw2ts

>>724759895
Which was only one scene and nobody felt compelled to do. That was the difference. Imagine godseeker DLC was an "act" taking place in the main world and changed the way everything looked AND everyone's dialogue changed and whatnot. Silksong act 3 works like this. Main story plot concluson, but postgame completion in terms of actual content.

>>724760973
It's fine, but it's not memorable. Something like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkwwAaQEZ38
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk7TGDmdt2U
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbbUv1hz6mE
Just sticks with you more. They have stronger melodies and more unique instrumentation. HK music could come from any given soulslike because they all sound the exact same

>>724761154
Those aren't even the most memorable songs from those games.
Don't forget this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsDlqPlZQkc
Silk Song hasn't been out long enough for songs to be in long term memory. Meanwhile Hollow Knight has this iconic boss theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkD5Ceo8KAo

>>724754310
Lifeblood/Plasmium is almost entirely positive with very few downsides, so it shouldn't even be on the list.

The Void is only a horrible nightmare when it's stirred up. The rest of the time it's chill if people just leave it alone. That said, when it gets pissed off, it's easily the worst.
The infection is not the natural state of The Radiance's mind control, it's the twisted and corrupt version of it that has grown into something grotesque.
The Haunting is mostly just normal mind control, which although terrifying, it doesn't seem like the haunted bugs are tortured in their state (aside from maybe the ones who Widow was messing with).
So the list should look like:

1. Void (when woken up)
2. The Infection
3. The Haunting
4. Radiance when she's using her normal mind control
5. Void (when asleep)
6. Lifeblood

>>724760764
You are wearing rose colored glasses because you got duped into waiting 7 years for it. People like you are why the industry turned to dogshit.

>>724761438
Not that anon but I only first played Hollow Knight 3 months ago. He's right and you are malding.

>>724761432
>Lifeblood/Plasmium is almost entirely positive with very few downsides
It infects everything and corrupts it. It's like saying ant fungus is good because it augments the nervous system of the zombie ants.

>>724761432
>Lifeblood/Plasmium is almost entirely positive
It's highly addictive, can mutate bugs and alter biomes, there's a reason why it was banned in Hallownest

>>724761515
And I played it one month ago. I completed them both back to back. Silksong is just not good.

>nearly a decade of seething about HK and calling it shit
>suddenly it's good and Silksong is shit
Can't wait for Silksong to be good in 15 years when Hollow Knight 3 is released.

>>724761438
nta and I got memed into it because of all the shitposting. HK is mid af but Silksong just plays way better

>>724761320
They aren't, and all three a better than every song in both HK and SS. Long term memory doesn't mean squat, a good OST doesn't need to be pavlov'd into your head it should stick around immediately. I played SOTN for the first time after I beat Silksong and I remember way more tracks from it than I do HK or SS, and they were both considerably longer games.
Also neither of those boss themes are any good either. Sounds like generic soulslike crap

>>724761619
Cope

>>724761737
>niggerspeak
Your opinion is wrong and invalid.

>>724761574
I know it spreads like crazy, but where are the signs that it corrupts anything?

>>724761585
I know it's addictive, but getting mutated is SIGNIFICANTLY better than losing all your freewill or suffering immense pain for numerous lifetimes.
It can also save your life if you were suffering from lethal diseases or conditions. So it's like the Silk, except without a massive cunt trying to enslave you for it. Instead your body just goes through some changes and you develop a bad habit.

>>724761780
SS fans are the ones coping. I won. I expected nothing and I got nothing.

>>724761867
In the alchemist sidequests. Eva especially won't let you anywhere near her until you get rid of your lifeblood infection

>>724761871
You lost. Hornet won.

>>724762075
You wear diapers

>>724762075
Wrong image, that's for the twisted bud. There's another for plasmium though.

>>724762128
>>724762075

>>724761805
Nah HK is mid and Silk is great you're wrong

>>724762127
You have no arguments aside from forcing some "the fans of X are bad" headcanon, fuck off already.

>>724761867
>I know it spreads like crazy, but where are the signs that it corrupts anything?
You mean besides the optional boss in act 3 that's a corrupted corpse of a guy who was killed by the lifeblood vines? And how both of the normal plasmid enemies are corrupted versions of normal wormways enemies? Gromlings turn into Plasmids, Groms turn into Plasmidas.

>>724761438
No, I'm having fun playing a good game that I waited a long time for. I know you're probably 22 and were too young to remember but people waited over twice as long for Duke Nukem Forever, and when it came out and sucked total dogshit, no one was afraid of saying it sucked total dogshit, and there are a lot of other examples of long waits for games ending in disappointment. If Silksong was a bad game I'd say so, but it isn't so I don't

>>724762209
It's not a matter of opinion. The game is factually worse than Hollow Knight. Right down to the frames.

>>724761438
I didn't give a fuck about the Silksong wait because I had other games to play, and only noticed when they actually announced a fucking release date. I still enjoyed it.

>>724762332
>my subjective opinion is objectively correct
Go back to your discord

>>724762075
I agree with the Alchemist side quest part stuff, because we can see that it definitely is more sinister than it first appears, but I don't think Eva is an entirely reliable source here.
She was created by the Weavers who were hateful of GMS, so it makes sense that they'd be paranoid as fuck about anything that might have mind altering affects on people, and thus Eva could easily be biased.

>>724762265
Aww somebody poopy their diapy!
>>724762307
Nukem Forever came out in 2011. Discourse was an entirely different world back then. And Silksong isn't bad. It's an utter failure and total dogshit.

>>724762470
Even in Hollow Knight it's called "forbidden blood"

>>724762479
You have no actual criticisms or arguments to make against the game because you haven't actually played it, which is why you keep falling back on le diaper tranny furry buzzwords and it's comically transparent

>>724762391
It's not an opinion, you know you can use developer tools to see how games work right? The game is literally worse than Hollow Knight at its core.

>>724762572
Regale us, mister coding wizard, explain in detail how Silksong is objectively worse from its very core. I expect an in depth explanation of how the games differ mechanically and screenshots of code strings that objectively prove your objectively correct subjective opinion

>>724762561
I did actually provide criticisms. It's bloated. It's convoluted. It's a mess. The game plays like it was made by a few dudes who locked themselves away for 7 years. It was very clearly made in an echo chamber. I'm using buzzwords because it makes you guys mad and me laugh.

>724762572
vague posting like you know anything about game engines doesn't make you less blatant.

>>724762669
Explain how it's not dogshit and maybe then I'll enlighten you.

>>724762676
>The game plays like it was made by a few dudes who locked themselves away for 7 years.
Yes

>>724762537
Jori / Joni or whatever his name was seemed to turn out okay

>>724762676
>I'm using buzzwords because it makes you guys mad and me laugh.
Ah sweet, good talking to you bud, have a great rest of your night

>>724762807
>literally dead and entombed in an isolated area outside hallownest
It's bad stuff

>>724762754
>Explain how it's not dogshit
I have fun playing it and I objectively have the best taste in video games of anyone in the world, so it's good

>>724740771
>>boss baby vibes
>rehashing Shovel Knight for the most part.
I hope you're being retarded ironically

Bros am I a schizo if I think unlocking act 3 was just a terrible way to pad the length of what is an already massive game?

>>724762891
Every game that has pogoing is copying Shovel Knight, much like how every game that has jumping is copying Mario

>>724762935
Duck Tales invented Pogo you fag

>>724740771
Mass Effect 2 plays extremely well. What are you on about?

>>724763020
Mass Effect 2 is the fucking stiffest most unfun AAA TPS ever made dude

>>724762924
It really isn't much once you actually look at the requirements. You don't need to do every wish, you don't need to find every flea, I guess the biggest things you need to do is find every Shakra area for her maps and find the lake in the Ducts, but that's not much. imo the most annoying part was having to trek through almost all of Bilewater twice.

>>724763095
>I guess the biggest things you need to do is find every Shakra area for her maps and find the lake in the Ducts
You have to do every wish board quest, which is a bit tedious but yeah it's not that big a deal

>>724763158
>You have to do every wish board quest
No you do not. Every donation quest (except the one for the Bone Bottom statue) and four other mandatory ones (cloak, scarecraw, Shakra, Sherma), but after that you only need to 17 out of 22, with the delivery quests knocking another .5 each off of that, and those 17 include wishes you get from the field. The only wishes that don't count are the ones related to the parasite.

>>724762808
See ya champ. Have fun pooping in your diaper to off-model insect hentai.

>>724762312
Hornet's personality is what maker her hot

>>724762774
>woaw! So le heckin quirky chungus team cherry!

>>724763484
You fart and poop lmao

724763569
Cope and sneed even more

>>724761154
funny you say that, Silksong has a very Metroid-sounding moment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0SgzwnJ2Ek

>>724753757
Architect's wife

>>724740074 (OP)
Obviously.

>>724757413
Stop using the Reaper crest

>>724764671
YWNBAW

>>724751898
nah there's a lot of context sensitive clues that require you to make like an actual note pad of
>hmm this stood out
>oh yeah that thing from like 12 hours ago huh this area looks like that a lot
where silksong has compendiums for materials monsters more npc dialogue lore item compendium you can continue to revisit etc etc.
pogsex

>>724740074 (OP)
Yes, but I can't stand the way people talk about Silksong. Constant whining about difficulty from people who don't play games. It's not that hard, and the bosses are by far the best part of the game. The real problem is that Silksong is a mess, poor structure, extremely unsatisfying exploration. I'm not exactly against trading the exploration focus for an action and platforming challenge focus, but it's that the exploration is bad, the world design is bad, it's lacking cohesion and satisfaction.

>>724759645
You don't need to die there a single time reeeeeetard

>>724759645
You didn't play the game, leave the thread dumbcunt.

no. it just had retarded boss rush stuff added to pad the difficulty. silksong will probably do the same anyway with dlc.

Why can't silktrannies stop dilating?

>>724740074 (OP)
7/10

>>724750421
Hollow Tranny is peak tumblrcore, Troonsong is double of that.

>>724744245
kill yourself

>>724740410
The best part about this stupid post is that you're not only wrong about Silksong failing in those things, you're also wrong about Mass Effect 2 failing in them as well.

>>724740074 (OP)
Compared to what, Silksong? Yes. Silksong is better mechanically, it feels better to play, but it's pure tedium, excessive backtracking and fetch quests don't make for a good time, then on top of that you have the tools which are either completely broken or completely useless, upgrades which don't feel meaningful at all, the same shitty map system from Hollow Knight and bosses that are only a threat because of contact damage, who also get reused to pad out the game, and what you get is a game that should be better but just fails to impress.

>>724740074 (OP)
>>724740410
HK was /v/'s punching bag, until about...September 5th, 2025. Funny that.
Up until Silksong released, none of you normies wanted to be part of the HK community. Now, when you found you can't fit in because you can't enjoy Silksong, you go back to HK 10 years after the fact and start glazing it.
So hey faggots, you're a decade too late. Looking forward to 2035 when you start saying Silksong is underrated.

>>724741091
I would like to know anon, tell me

>>724740074 (OP)
I like both.

>>724740074 (OP)
It's one of the better metroidvanias, so yes, it's "superior" to some games, but I personally had two 'vanias I liked better, and now I have one more: Nine Sols that I finished this week.
Haven't played Silksong yet though.

>consensus is that hk is better
what do we do silksissies? do we just tell them to get good again?

>>724754821
Pale King had some biases. Like autism.

He's also convinced that The Vessel was somehow corrupted (by him and his damned filial affection), and that's why the Vessel project didn't work.

Its likely impossible for a void child to be truly hollow, since they are children of actual people with mysterious strength and so on.

I think he was in despair and believed he had failed his son by treating him with love and care, which is likely bogus. Radiance simply couldn't be contained in that way.

>>724769368
He's not wrong about mass effect.

Silksong is hit or miss. I don't think it's as cohesive a product as Hollow knight. In many ways it's less inspired, has an inferior narrative structure, less appealing design language and so on.

Its still a fun game but it lacks that cohesion.

Silksong defenders are very fragile and can't take criticism of their beloved game very well. This is known.

>>724762935
lol, Shovel Knight fags are really the worst

>>724766178
The only reason anyone would prefer HK is because they didn't play it before Silksong released. Yeah, of course you're going to prefer the first version of a game more than the sequel that iterates on the difficulty and game mechanics. You were supposed to play it first.

>>724770491
I thought Hollow Knight was a fine game but nothing more and that stance hasn't changed. Silksong is just worse than Hollow Knight while still being in that 7/10 range. They're only really remarkable for being cheap but I'd rather spend more money on a game with less bloat

>>724740074 (OP)
it was more fun to explore a world instead of a single character i don't really care that much about

>>724747036
>But silk spells are far from useless and people sleeping on them to keep a panic heal are gimping themselves.
Blame the developers making these retarded healing changes and giving most spells considerable amount of windup
Like, i don't know by what metric you compare the DPS but knight has literally zero windup and commitment to Shade Soul, are you comparing it to rune rage in ideal situation where all hits land or something

They both could have been linear games. The exploration is cliched and uninspired, why even bother.

>>724740410
Good post.

>>724770491
>HK was /v/'s punching bag
It was a punching bag for a few schizos like faggot MaZe who tried to shill lamulana on this board for nearly a decade before fucking off

>>724772375
hk looks like a funko pop, or reddit's mascot and the art style is tumblr goth slop
it's a hard sell on a website of cultured individuals like /v/

>>724740074 (OP)
superior to what?

>>724772506
You remind me of those "Why is it so hated?" threads about E33, even though 99% of people who played the game at least like it, and there are literally 3 people shitting on it 24/7, one of them proved to be an Indian and another an actual homosexual mad at any game that has pretty women and doesn't have homosex. The third one most likely one of those mentally broken fags who ruin every Final Fantasy thread.
That's exactly how "hated" HK was/is on /v/.

>>724774990
>99%
Source?

The chinese have done it
https://github.com/MCXGK3/KnightInSilkSong/releases
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1qpyXBWEjo/

>>724770956
it’s a falseflagger. most shovel knight fags moved on to hollow knight or died outright

>>724775118
Ok cool but where is Hornet nude mod with 1000+ redrawn sprites?

>>724740074 (OP)
Yes

Yes, but Silksong is still a very nice challenge for people who felt HK was too easy.

>>724742615
>Radiance>Lace as a final boss
Lol fuck no
As a boss, Lace is a far more engaging fight

Is Silksong's act 3 even worth it?

>>724775046
Here you go. Yes, it says 96%, but read those negative reviews. A lot of them say they like the game, but (technical problems/parry/too hard).

>>724775575
yes
>but I don't want to do wishes
so much for a wish granter

>>724775695
I ignored 99% of wishes.

>>724772375
I remember him shitting up the whole catalogue with false flagging after being called out in more than 1 occasion. God, what an annoying faggot he was. Not even shills can get that psycho-bitchy.

>>724775575
Act 3 is when the game finally becomes fun again after dogshit wishes and cryptic requirements

Without pretending to be so “enlightened” that I can answer objectively subjective questions, I feel Silksong is still several big patches away from being far superior to Hollow Knight.

The quest system relies on very weak quests, which could have easily been given to you Xenoblade-style , all at once before you explore an area. They’re mostly low quality, but at least that way you wouldn’t need to do double rounds to fetch a few rags. The current execution is bad, and it’s worse because this padding is tied directly to progression up to Act 3. It left a bad taste, since I had already done everything mechanically required for Act 3 just by exploring, bar finishing those 15 "gather or fetch" missions.

Getting to the Act 3 bosses was pure nonsense. “Remember that little statue in Hunter’s March? You haven’t? Well, good luck searching the whole place until you notice that faint light in the ceiling.” To fight Nyleth in Shellwood you have to redo the entire elevator sequence backward looking for a specific secret wall, and good luck not wasting five hours searching elsewhere.

The Crust King is fine, but once again, how hard would it have been to tell the player that Bilewater and Sinner Roads are overpowered side areas, not the main route? You can lose hours trying to force your way through them until the Mist makes you think you need a new ability, and then you have to backtrack UNLESS you understand you need to enchant those moths.

Those parts are baffling since the same game delivers real high points that make the filler feel absurd. The pacing keeps breaking on pointless mechanics that waste your time, like collecting 2000 rosaries to restore cities, giving nothing back but harder fights.

Pic related. They could have at least hinted this wasn’t the right path like in Hunter’s March. Instead you just wander into Muckmaggot, waste time, and go back.

>>724775575
No. At best there are maybe two good boss fights, one of which is a refight. The main questline sucks and the final upgrade is useless shit

>>724775293
you probably wouldn't need very many new sprites, cause of the prison arc.

>>724776021
isn't the mist 100% pointless? you can get to the organ by finding the other entrance to bilewater. it's easier too

>>724776021
>several big patches away
TC won't do shit. Silksong has the same issues as HK after almost a decade, so the game will not improve just because of a few patches.

>>724740074 (OP)
HK felt like a metroidvania
Silksong felt like a linear platformer

I am the resident thread contrian. I am blind as a bat and have extremely bad taste and am a dumb nigger.

My main trait while posting is reddit spacing. I am also unable to read a map.

I say pic related without posting a pic because I have no idea what words mean.

I love to suck penises and xenogears.

>>724760936
Because HK and SS has serviceable music. It's the check a box of OST. It's not bad, but not good either. It's there and it works and that's about it. I unironically believe AI could generate better music. There is maybe one good track from Silksong, not just serviceable, but actually good. Even if you hate games like Nine Sols or Blasphemous, the OST is lightyears ahead of HK and SS.

In many ways (player customization, spells, nail arts, location design, music, general balance, atmosphere, story) HK feels like a sequel to the silksong and not otherwise.

>>724777037
Yeah, i still remember Lady Ethereal or Eviterno themes but literally can't name a single memorable track in SS.

I shelved silksong for a while. It's so unpleasant to play. I'll probably finish it simply because there's nothing better to play (I have no tolerance for AAA moviegames) but for now I'd rather watch Vikings

>>724777251
>Vikings
LMAO

>>724775575
No. Imagine act 2 but with more gauntlets and the standard enemies having (at least) double their regular health.

>>724777525
>standard enemies having (at least) double their regular health
Guess I'll just uninstall it then.

>>724777201
And I bet you if someone who's never played Nine Sols would listen to her theme, they would be able to deduce a lot about the boss, how she fights, and the themes of her story. You can listen to HK or SS and all of it is really just I am a boss fight music. I don't get the praise for the OST. I do like SS, that doesn't mean I have to praise every bit of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7xUEEpHrZ4

>>724776819
You mean pressing enter for formatting ?

>>724777037
I'm just sick of orchestral OSTs. They can be done well and stand out, but 90% of the time they are effectively white noise. Give me a non-Dread Metroid or Castlevania OST any day of the week

>>724775575
act 3 is when you understand this game is all quantity no quality
the abyss is just a big corridor, most act 3 bosses spam 1 ranged attacks (and that's it), the final boss is a reused boss that is objectively worst, and worst of all, for a game that incentivizes exploration, there is absolutely no help to finish it a 100% (as opposed to most metroidvanias of the last decade that, at the very least, tells you your % done per zones)

>>724777670
I've never played nine sols and while I do enjoy that track somewhat I'm distracted by the main vocal sample. I know I've heard it before somewhere else but I don't know where

>>724777675
Pressing enter

Twice

>>724777525
>get nail upgrade
>every enemy gets more health
this is why I hate rpg mechanics

>>724775542
There's more to a final boss than just the fight. Lace is such a nothing character compared to Radiance, it doesn't feel nearly as climactic. Also it's the third fight against Lace where the whole deal is that she's faster and can use the copy and pasted void attacks all voided enemies have been using in act 3.

>>724777796
>act 3 is when you understand this game is all quantity no quality
that's definitely act 2

>>724777796
>most act 3 bosses spam 1 ranged attacks
I can't believe most bosses in this game are legit worst than regular enemies. The only danger they pose is their huge hitbox (aka contact damage).
And, regular enemies at least drop something, what's wrong with TC to make a billion bosses if they're so fucking bad???????????? What a chore.

>>724778023
This, I remember cultists praising L3, but she's literally worst than L2. L3 Arena is so fucking bad, then she spams her black shit (on a black background, fuck you too TC), sometimes overlapping on one another, and of course she can teleport from outside the screen right into your ass (or at least your path as you dodge her random bullshit). Enjoy your mandatory 5 sec cutscene everytime you die.

>>724778185
>The only danger they pose is their huge hitbox (aka contact damage).
This is something people were critical about even back in HK1. Team Cherry uses contact damage as a crutch because they can't design good bosses. The second they remove it, you end with Mother Silk tier shitstomp.

>>724777670
Hell, remember Grime?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FKgp-qDNrI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0EuhC4WkIE
Holy fucking shit that entire segment was ten times more memorable than Citadel.

>>724777904
You’re upset about formatting and spacing between text blocks ? Why

>>724740410
The live orchestra music blows the original awful samples of the original out of the water.
Otherwise I agree with you but I'd say it's more like Demon's Souls vs Dark Souls.

>>724778271
>you end with Mother Silk tier shitstomp.
Or they could just, you know, make less bosses, but make them interesting like all other metroidvanias, instead of depending on artificial difficulty? And just because HK1 did it, doesn't mean they have to stay in the same mediocrity and can't improve.
They designed these bosses, Mother Silk included, so why is that an excuse exactly? It's not our fault she was tuned for speedrunners that barely have upgrades.

>>724740074 (OP)
I had more fun with it than Silksong, yeah.

>>724778378
>>724777904
Nvm, it's just low quality trolling

>>724776819
There's a way to see those passages on the map ? Even the Elevator one ?

Fuck, I must be as blind as a bat

>>724778151
>Act 2
>many cool bosses
>many zones to discover and explore
>you can actually enter act 2 with 2 ways
>Act 3:
>70% shitty bosses with 1 ability (and only 2-3 interesting ones) or reused and worst (Trobbioooooooooooooooooooooooo)
>Only two new zones, they are just big corridor (can't believe verdania bosses are.... 1 deer that spam projectiles and teleports as you get close and.... 1 reused boss. Cool!)
>You revisit each areas 50 times to find the last upgrades with the help of the online map (because this fucking game, unlike most metroidvanias, doesn't help)
>Worst farming & aesthetic of the zones are ruined
>final boss is reused and is legit the worst fight of the 3
Yeah, no, act 3 is garbagio tier. Sasuga "hollowvania"

I don't know why, but I just don't feel like playing the rest of the game after completing Act 2.

>>724778338
I actually wanted to mention Grime as well but I thought I made my point at two games. Cenotaph is good but I think it can sound generic if you don't have the context. It's on purpose to contrast more ambient tracks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrbPDiaJe7g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE8RThghucQ

Can't wait for the sequel, it's one of my most anticipated games.

>>724740410
You'd have to be musically inept to think the first game had better music. It only has a few proper tracks that aren't just ambience, and while they are good, Silksong has a massive and varied soundtrack of the same quality as HK's best. The rest of the points are valid.

>>724740074 (OP)
same level i would say, the first one feels bigger cuz it got more DLCs over time so silksong still got some catching up to do is all

>>724779235
>musically inept
Ah yes, the new Reddit buzzword after "media literacy".

>>724778716
>>724778794
I'm in the same boat. Did everything I could in act 2 and killed GMS then found out you'll fight Trobio and Lace again in act 3 and there are basically no new zones and I lost my interest going into act 3 and "finishing" the game.

>>724740074 (OP)
Beat HK and I can finally get into Silksong without being one of those guys that start with the Sequel. That said I want to know:
After we beat The Radiance in the end the Knight’s helmet is left broken, as if indicating he moved on right? But then the Hall of Gods thing happens.
>So did he not die? Revive afterwards and then went for the next ending?
Also I wanted to know:
>afterwards there is a scene of Hornet surprised as someone gets close to her. Was he the Knight?

>>724779524
Knight didn't go to the egg st all, he went to Godhome and did the flower ending camonically

I am so fucking tired of "le game is good because le tryhard".

>>724780550
hard = good
that's why /v/ hates sotn

>>724779583
>camonically

>>724776819
Also I am trans.

And I LOVE transsong

>>724780947
>hard = good
You'd think the same board that gave you pic related would fucking love this game, then

>>724780947
>Hard = good
True, but in the case of silksong
>Bad hard = Terribad shit
It's just artificial difficulty. You can't say a boss is good if most of the damage you take is contact damage, because the boss' attacks are too easy to deal with.
Case in point with grandmother silk.

>>724778382
>it's more like Demon's Souls vs Dark Souls.
nah demons souls was jank soul, with many inconveniences that made it memorable and charming BECAUSE OF them
HK has no mechanical/level design jank charm, it's just a safe metroidvania

>>724781435
This anon is so bad at videogames he took contact damage from GMS

>>724740074 (OP)
>mid vs mid

>>724781535
>contact damage from GMS
wait what?

Act 3 enjoyer here I told you faggots to download the bench warp mod lmao. Got it finished in under 3 hours. Green Prince fight was K I N O

>>724781513
>Demon's Souls is good because Pure Bladestone has a low drop rate

>>724781535
Obviously meant that GMS is one of the easiest boss because she doesn't have contact damage, retard... Which means most bosses are terrible too and would be barely anecdotal without it, thanks to the shit design of these devs that spent 7 8 years on this dogshit game.

>>724781778
>Green Prince
>Nice fight
Nice copy pasted fight, bro!
This game should have just put this boss for all boss fight, would unironically be better.

>>724781953
The smaller room, the ultimate attack actually being a threat and the faster pace made the fight actually good. Original fight was a slog carried exclusively by the presentation and uniqueness, the Green Prince version perfected it
Same with Lost Lace

>>724781435
Agreed on that one, but I adapted and just unga bunga even harder than in HK to deal with that annoying bullshit with tool spam to nuke bosses before they kill me.

>>724779235
The first game has simpler, but more memorable music.
I've played both, and can still remember like 60% of ambient tracks from hk1.

Silksong doesn't have that strong sense of character to its zones.
The narrative use of music is also a lot less impressive. The whole Vessel fight with the use of a somber rendition of the main motif for example.
Masterful and simple use to generate emotion.

Silksong doesn't really pull it off. The complexity adds nothing

>>724779235
I can remember a lot of tracks from the first game. Nightmare King Grimm and regular Grimm, Nosk, Mantis Lords, that one soul area, the resting grounds, the Vessel's theme.
For SIlksong I remember... some of the town songs and Billwater.

>>724781778
bellstation warp should have unlocked way earlier desu.

>>724782045
The fights are piss easy for both encounter since everything is so well telegraphed. If you think the original fight was a "slog", I don't even know what you see in the second fight, it's almost the same.
Lost lace is a pure downgrade though, and it's very shameful they reused her for the THIRD TIME as a final boss. Should rename her Laced Liquid Diarrhea because her fight is so fucking trash.

>>724782867
Lace as a character is simply a bad construction

>>724782867
Filtered

>they reused her for the THIRD TIME as a final boss
wuts grand mother silk?

In hk does the strength charm does anything? It's just a meme? Litterally every enemy i need two shots to kill still needs two shots.

>>724783093
Yeah it does. Break points exists.

both lace and mother silk are retardedly easy, are you telling me the true final boss isn't a tag team fight?

>>724783002
Yeah man you do what you want, if you enjoy drinking shit, maybe you're just an honorary indian or something, I don't.
I'm talking about Lace, shitstain. You fight her in act 1, 2 and 3. And 3 is the most uninterested fight they designed for her. Just search Lace in this thread and see all reasons why she's shit.
But I guess you don't respect yourself, you just eagerly swallow the first turd produced by Team Cherry, anything they'd shit, you're here to taste it.

>>724783173
Wait for DLCs I guess, because they cut a fuckton of stuff like a bunch of Steel kickstarter bosses and areas.

>>724783093
The strength charm multiplies the damage of nail swings by 1.5. Nail arts are not affected. If an enemy has 10 health and your nail originally does 5, it's not going to make a difference.

>>724783543
>Nail arts are not affected
And how in the living fuck am i supposed to know that?

>>724783635
Well now you know!

Just finished SS (release version, no tools or powers) and it was okay.

Platforming was its strongest point, Mount Fay being the best part of the game. The mushroom quest was disappointing from a platforming perspective and from an intellectual perspective (coming from someone who finished La-Mulana though).

Lost Lace was also the best bossfight, though a bit easy, and most bossfights are sleep inducing so it's not that big of a feat.

The music was dogshit.

Great metroidvania, definitely better that HK. I sincerely can't find anything that's worse in SS compared to HK, maybe the music but HK only had one memorable ost.

>>724783093
it's a massive increase

The trial of fools is breaking me. It's too fucking long.

>>724740410
trvke

>>724770818
He's not.

>>724774990
But e33 does have homosex.

>>724784752
Link me a video, never heard of that.

>>724784637
are you not entertained ?

>>724740074 (OP)
HK is superior. Silksong is for furry troons who don't know anything about video games.

>>724785337
your just saying that cuz you got filtered

>>724781435
>artificial difficulty
Never taking /v/'s artificial difficulty claims on Silksong seriously during & after the release week, with these harmless pogo flowers in Hunter's March being a large vocal point on the same topic to such a degree where you couldn't even fucking avoid it. Dare I say it was close to mindbreak-tier, and for what? A mechanic that basically boiled down to "just get used to it and you'll only miss your down attacks again if you're rushing through shit"

>>724785475
Filtered by what? I've 100%'ed the game you fucking dolt.

>>724785796
what's wrong with them?

>>724785337
>troons
But enough about troonsongjeets.

>Have 40 different charms
>Yeah but you have to use just those 6 or you are basically gimping yourself
I love useless cluttering.

>>724786056
I mean, I get it. But that's a stupid complaint. Useless collectable bullshit exists in every game, some games are based entirely around collecting useless bullshit. Out of all like 10000000 fucking Pokémon there are now, like only 15 of them are any good.

>>724785902
why would you hate it if you've beaten it ? your shit doesn't add up and im not buying it

>>724786249
How am I supposed to know if I truly enjoy a game or not if I don't completely finish it? It would be disingenuous to hate on something without first experiencing it in it's entirety as intended. You are more than welcome to enjoy the game, but if you scratch past the pretty surface it's pretty easy to see it's dogshit if you've been playing games for more than a few years.

>>724786514
and you still hated it lol ok

>what did you hate about it btw?

>>724786218
>only 15 of them are any good.
This only if you play competitive tournaments or shit like that. You can clear the games with basically any 6 pokemon you want.
One thing is "this is better than this one" and there is "this is fucking shit why the fuck should i use it".

>>724785796
You can also just use the wanderer crest if you're really that frustrated by the platforming. It's not like Silksong makes you do any extreme platforming anyways. There's not even anything near as extensive as the white palace for example.

>>724786056
Having bad options are important because it helps to make the good ones stand out more. Also just because you didn't like or use a tool doesn't mean other people didn't.

95% of yellow tools are too useless though, yeah. They also went too hard trying to keep certain money 'farming' tools balanced for some reason to the point that there's no reason you'd ever use them.

overrated game tbqh

the designs are very generic and hollow(lol) I feel like I'm looking at the same blurry funkopop designs no matter what part of the game

I only finished it just to say I did

>>724787048
you could use it for a stream so we can enjoy your suffering

>>724782912
They should add more dialogue between her and hornet. As it stands, the only times the two really talk instead of trying to shit-talk the other is when hornet descends to abyss, both when she does it the first time and before the final battle. There could've been a lot more dialogue between the two in the citadel, hell, even before the cradle fight. Instead, they don't talk at all.

>>724786056
PUSHANKA

>>724787754
Lack of dialogue isn't really the problem.
Its that as she's written, Lace really has nothing going on.

No connection to the land, no friends, no interests beyond her mother.
She's not a "captain of the guards", there's no other people for her to interact with. She's like a spectre.

And what does she really have to teach Hornet, or cause her to grow? There's nothing there.

>>724787491
NTA, but you underestimate me and the bois back in the day finishing pokemon red with just charizard. We didn't know how to catch pokemon or to heal at a pokemon center, so a loss meant starting at mom's house in pallet town (we were too young to read). And it was still more enjoyable than Silksong.

>>724787306
The only yellow tools that are straight up useless are the needolin tool and the thief mark. The rest have niche uses depending on what you're doing, I think it more comes down to the dice being so good that you pretty much permanently use it.

>>724788254
I like how you're trying to say you only used one pokemon like that's a point of challenge when all it really does is make the game even more brainless and easy because that's the easiest way to curb stomp it without effort .

You just suck at video games and can't handle it when something requires you to put real effort into it to beat it.

>>724788401
Thief Mark has its use for grinding Rosaries that you need generall6 too much of to buy out vendors.
My only real big gripe about SS is that there are too many vendor items, they could have put most of those where they hid useless small rosary strings.

>>724788072
True, antagonists should oppose the protagonist. Even the Radiance fight felt personal to Ghost and the Shades in HK as she is intimately connected to their existence and their suffering.

What is Lace to Hornet prior to the final battle? Another enemy in Pharloom, like Widow, First Sinner and Trobbio. There's some comparisons between how Hornet had some acceptance of Herrah, White Lady and Vespa, who were all her mother figures, and Hornet ultimately leaves them all behind for her own dreams while Lace rejects Mother Silk, has no ambition, and is stuck in Pharloom, forced to maintain the Haunting while she is a puppet herself.

This opposition could've led to some good rivalry, but it is poorly developed in game. I felt Phantom was far more climactic (and epic) than any of the Lace fights.

>>724788663
So using one tool should be easy, right? Right? Surely?

>>724788663
my bad lol i wasnt thinking about pokemon when i gave him that example

>>724779235
Name a single fucking track from SS off the top of your head that isn't Choral Chambers. Without having played it in like 4 years, I can remember, distinctly,
>Grimm / NK Grimm
>Greenpath
>Radiance
>Path of Pain / White Palace
>City of Tears
>Soul Sanctum
>Dung Defender
>Final boss fight

You faggots constantly say "you're so wrong the music from SS is so much better" and yet NONE of it is as memorable

>>724788932
no mantis lords ? the fuck is wrong with you ?

>>724788663
>getting mad over some infant who couldn't even read finishing pokemon red with a single pokemon
lmao get a life

>>724788932
Level OST:
>Moss Grotto
>Greymoor
>Belhart
>Shellwood
>Bilewater
>Songclave
>High Halls
>Verdania

Boss OST:
>Strive (Moss Mother's theme)
>Phantom
>Last Judge
>High Halls Gauntlet
>Karmelita
>Grand Mother Silk

>>724757413
Are you sure you aren't missing damage upgrades? I remember my friend was almost at the end of act 2 and he completely missed the nailsmith...

most memorable is these two

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp5M2BAXwSo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd75aHR-uBU

>>724789487
weapon upgrades is accounted for it don't matter as much as HP upgrades and the must have blue tools

>>724790471
>it don't matter as much
Playing with a base nail makes every fight take 3x times longer than having 2 or 3 upgrades. Nail damage also scales up the silk skills, so some fights in the world end before they even begin with just one well timed and upgraded silk spear.

>>724789459
You are literally lying, indicated by the fact you had to look up the OST names

>>724789487
He said he's still only on act 1 so at most you get one upgrade.

>>724790793
nta but those aren't even the OST names for some of them

>>724740074 (OP)
No. Silksong is the better game, but it's also a sequel, so it's less impressive.

>>724740074 (OP)
Not worth interrogating imo. Hollow Knight and Silksong are both good games and thematically harmonious with each other. I can't imagine you'd enjoy one and be disappointed by the other. Hollow Knight naturally has more novelty as the original and Silksong has a bigger scope as the sequel.

It's a lot different than >>724740410 example where ME1 and ME2 are substantially different in tone, scope, and realization. Hollow Knight doesn't feel a gimped prototype like M1 did. Silksong doesn't feel like a major departure into a different genre like ME2 did.

>>724787306
Doing my beast pt. here's my verdict for yellow tool.
>Compass
useful for first timers. useless
>Shard Pendant
useless
>Magnetite
surprisingly useful.
>Weight Belt
steady body, useful
>Barbed Bracelet
very good
>Dead Bug's Purse
nubs friendly but they won't be using it because "I wasn't planning to lose a 500 rosaries cocoon, lol"
>Shell Satchel
Steel Soul, another shot for phasmium is good
>Scuttlebrace
a backstep? very fun and just so we're clear, this is Shape of Unn. My favorite
>Ascendant's Grip
*throw tacks, throw a cogfly, grip on a wall* cheese tier, useful
>Dice
nerfed carefree. useful cause it's a yellow
>Silkspeed
very good
>Thief Mark
good but too much of a hassle to not lose rosaries with it. useful for farming hallways
>Spider Strings
lore (useless)
10/13 are useful, Thanks for reading my Ted Talk

>>724790714
true they shouldn't be skipping any upgrades desu

the game wants to be hard so you gonna need all the help you can get

will there be a third hollow knight game

>>724791986
Watch the Mr. Mushroom ending

>>724791986
Hollow Knight in the City of Steel, trust the plan

>>724791986
Lace will be the protag

>>724790793
I know Strive is the OST name since I know it was a certified banger the moment I started playing the game, and have searched it up to listen to it. The rest aren't OST names to my knowledge, so stfu

>>724791986
Lace could be the protag, but with how dry her character is I'm actually rooting for Shakra (or perhaps Shakra's kid) to be the protagonist. Shakra's dialogue, quest, story arc and bossfight tops Lace's.

This would also tie into TC's desire to change up atmospheres between games. If HK was medieval, Celtic and Gothic, SS is industrial and renaissance/neoclassical in design. The new region could easily be based on some East Asian aesthetic as Shakra has Eastern symbolism inher design.

>>724792917
Hell no.

>>724792328
that would be a DLC + boss rush mode

Red always feels muted on Hallownest, because The Knight was disabled (made of void) (RED color blindness)

>The hollow knight ankwardly clip from right to left because they weren't capable to mirror the animation of hornet stabbing it.
Lmao.

>>724795237
maybe they could've done it but they wanted it from that side cuz they think it looks better

>>724740074 (OP)
Hollow Knight like an 8/10 game that gets an extra .5 for charm and soul

Silksong is 9.5/10, but loses a full point for being woke troonslop fanfiction at its core

Both end up at 8.5/10, hard to say which is better.

It's because of the maps. In terms of gameplay, silksong had the leg up. But compare each map to silksong. Hollow knight is far bigger. Hidden areas are very small and uninteresting as well such as the ducts. The only large areas in ss really are the castle area which feels bloated at times. The layout of hollow knight was also more interesting. In this game you start essentially at the bottom. In hollow knight you can explore up or down because you start in the middle. It was also far more rewarding to find a new area only because you gain a power up. The overall maps aren't as pretty as well and utilize pretty much the same color palette. Part of the reason for all this is because is more linear this includes quests such as the dumbest part of the game where you are forced to hunt spikes. There's also no comparison to the soundtracks

>>724795237
they were blatantly capable of mirroring 9999 things all over the game. you think theyre unironically gonna re-draw every single sprite twice?
they obviously just thought it wouldnt make sense if hornet stabbed him from the right because thats not where the entrance is

>>724796518
trvke
>in terms of gameplay
and by that you mean movement and combat right, i consider the map and exploration part of the gameplay

Question for good players only:

Is it me or HK and Silksong are both insanely easy? I'm talking 2/10 on the scale of difficulty

>>724740410
It took over 10 years for people to admit Mass Effect 1 was better than 2

>>724740074 (OP)
WE MUST BE BETTER BUGS

>>724796675
What's a game you would call 3/10 difficulty

>>724796845
Noita maybe?

>>724754619
I have my issues with Silksong but I love Hornet as a character. The little ghost was fine for silently taking in the wonders of an already dead city, but Hornet makes sense for caring about saving the remnants of a dying one.

I like that there's a subtle arc of her starting out as the wary pragmatist that slowly grows to appreciate the warmth of helping others for the sake of it over time.

>>724758949
I really think act 3 should have been unlocked around christmas or new years. Due to the time we live in it couldn't just be left in as a fun inverted castle mode. The act 1 and act 2 are genuinely captivating. Without the data aggregation we have today few people would have known about act 3. So by the time you get to it you're kind of burnt out from doing just about everything there is to do. Then everything does double the damage again, everything is closed up with enemy gauntlets, the familiar and comfortable is dangerous again. Act 3 is cool but they should have made it unavailable until a patch down the line a little bit. So you have cranky samefags trying to force their way through content and they're upset about silly things because they can't even beat the game.

Do someone have one of the last frames of the radiance ending where there is a big closeup on hornet on a decent resolution?

>>724796613
That I do. There's more options. It's also easier to control. I think act 3 shouldn't be due to completing the quest board but just a part of defeating granny. If you compare the trailer to the game itself, it feels like they cut a good amount of content

The fuck does it even mean the light is the infection? What? Was the radiance a creature with some kind of sickness?

>>724793318
>>724792917
>lace doing anything as an mc
People are fucking tripping if they think consumers will line up to play as fucking lace

It will be a genuine disaster.
Especially since Lace simply doesn't work as a protagonist.

The gameplay would be derivative, ugly aesthetics overall, bad narrative mc that would be impossible to fix through dialogue. Absolute melt down game with zero popular appeal.

>>724796518
>But compare each map to silksong. Hollow knight is far bigger.
You are objectively wrong, they only feel smaller because Hornet gets to dash and clawline everywhere. Put Knight in Pharloom and it would feel gargantuan, meanwhile Hornet in Hallownest would be the size of a single act.

>>724796518
>>724797914
Also, pic I posted was scaled based on using Hornet as the common point of reference in both games. You can see by the maps that Pharlooms areas are physically larger and more cavernous to accommodate her extra mobility. Hallownest is more cramped and stifling, which allows for more complexity in the map design, but they're not physically bigger.

>>724797914
nta. Honestly, I think they like BLUE (the color) more than RED

it was shit. i literally havent seen a single defence of it that actually articulates whats good about it instead of just parroting buzzwords and calling it flawless

>How do we make this boss compelling?
>Hmmmm LE TWO DAMAGE!
This games are so cheap.
At this point just remove healing, just do the entire game where everything oneshots you and whatever.

>>724776184
no he's talking about all the rape scenes. instead of leaving behind a cocoon you get an ero scene and then hornet stands up full of cum and the player just gets to try again. so if you keep losing instead of a runback you get more ryona and rape. imagine watching the same rape scene more than once. 1000+ is being lazy it would need 10000+ at the very least

>724799053
HAH, shitter esl