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Anonymous No.724759506 [Report] >>724759597 >>724759731 >>724763603 >>724763969 >>724764130
How did they manage to make a character even more annoying than Teddy?
Anonymous No.724759597 [Report] >>724759843 >>724762483 >>724764302
>>724759506 (OP)
By making him a guy.
If Morgana was a girl she'd be THE most waifu'd character. Basically Midna if she slept on your chest every night.

But no. They made him a manlet.
Yuck.
Anonymous No.724759692 [Report] >>724759869 >>724760149
>Teddie
>Annoying
Anonymous No.724759731 [Report] >>724761708
>>724759506 (OP)
>Morgana endlessly shits on Ryuji
>Ryuji hits back once
>Morgana throws a tantrum and leaves the group
>Ryuji is made out to be the bad guy and has to apologize
Anonymous No.724759843 [Report] >>724760164
>>724759597
>If Morgana was a girl she'd be THE most waifu'd character
But he is my waifu (male)
Anonymous No.724759869 [Report] >>724760115
>>724759692
He is annoying and a perverted sex offender. Also his role in the game is fucking retarded.
Anonymous No.724760115 [Report] >>724762245 >>724763292
>>724759869
Not really. Shadows are the suppressed part of human consciousness. People tend to suppress negative shit like violent thoughts, so most Shadows are violent. Teddie is a Shadow formed from someone who suppressed their desire to be loved, maybe some gruff old guy who hates the world or something. It's a pretty rare thing to do. As he continued to interact with the Investigation Team he became more complex, and developed an ego, becoming more than just a mere Shadow. That ego, with the Persona that came with it (A Shadow with its own Shadow), allowed him to walk in the waking world.

Futaba in 5 is much the same. She suppressed her will to live after her mother died, blaming herself and thinking she deserved death, so Shadow Futaba isn't violent and wants Futaba to be saved instead.
Anonymous No.724760149 [Report]
>>724759692
true, annoying is an understatement
Anonymous No.724760164 [Report]
>>724759843
Not everyone is a fag though.
Anonymous No.724760472 [Report]
God damn
Anonymous No.724760683 [Report]
Mona isn't half as fucking obnoxious as Ryuji. The whole game is about abuse and trauma, so Ryuji's solution when there's so much dire bullshit on the line is screaming at every victim we meet and then loudly announcing our secret identity every time we're out in public as a group. You could literally replace him with Mona's twin and the game would be better for it.
Anonymous No.724760797 [Report] >>724764340
Anonymous No.724761625 [Report] >>724764137
cat sex
Anonymous No.724761708 [Report] >>724762835
>>724759731
I still don't know how people truly enjoy the P5 cast when they all are so insufferable
Anonymous No.724762245 [Report] >>724762490
>>724760115
>A Shadow with its own Shadow
How does that even work?
Anonymous No.724762483 [Report]
>>724759597
>Implying
A massive cartoon rump on my lap is a massive cartoon rump on my lap.
Anonymous No.724762490 [Report] >>724762859
>>724762245
A Shadow is a suppressed part of an ego. As Teddie developed he became introspective.
>"What am I?"
>"Is there anything inside me?"
>"I fear there may be nothing inside me..."
He suppressed these fears from his burgeoning ego, and it manifested as his own Shadow, Shadow Teddie. A Shadow with a Shadow. And when he accepted that Shadow as part of himself, it transformed into a Persona.
Anonymous No.724762835 [Report] >>724763640
>>724761708
The only one I find insufferable is mona. The rest are just kind of there. I feel like they're a bit too one-note to really be an enjoyable cast, maybe that's why the spinoffs didn't hit for me at all.
Anonymous No.724762859 [Report] >>724763346
>>724762490
No I get that, but I'm more curious about how it actually occurred. A Shadow isn't capable of such things by definition, because then it's still part of the ego and thus not a Shadow. The times we've had situations like this in the series, it's usually been through external influences like Nyarlathotep, Kagutsuchi, or the Abyss of Time.
Anonymous No.724763292 [Report]
>>724760115
No, its dumb. Its like a bug or animal decided one day it wants to be human and does so just because it can.
Anonymous No.724763346 [Report] >>724763416
>>724762859
It's just growth in the end. You can think of Teddie as someone who started as a Shadow, but eventually grew beyond the scope of that definition, becoming a true "Cognitive Being". Some cognitive beings adopt the form of an archetype in the Collective Unconscious, manifesting as gods. Erebus, Nyarlathotep, Philemon, Izanami, and Yaldabaoth are like this. Other cognitive beings like Igor, the Velvet Room attendants, and Morgana also exist, they just don't adopt an archetype for their form.

In Persona 3 Strega's Personas were forced to awaken, and are thus volatile and largely uncontrollable. At one point Chidori lost control of Medea, who manifested in broad daylight in her hospital room, trying to strangle her to death. At that one moment Medea had enough power to manifest there.

As for why Teddie developed an ego, it was because he kept interacting with people that did have egos; the Investigation Team. He was accepted into their group and learned more and more about life, and grew from there. It's kind of like how when Aigis couldn't handle the grief of the P3 protagonist's death she suppressed her humanity, which manifested as the Shadow called Metis. Metis was formed from suppressed humanity, so she could wield a Persona too.
Anonymous No.724763416 [Report] >>724763525 >>724763790
>>724763346
But if Shadows can freely develop egos by interacting with humans, then is Adachi's plan actually that bad? By forcing shadows to develop egos, humanity no longer has to deal with Shadows as an enemy.
Anonymous No.724763525 [Report] >>724763637 >>724763707
>>724763416
Adachi wanted to turn everyone into Shadows, because he found the conditions of the TV World, with fog safely encapsulating everyone from each other, to be far more comfortable than facing the truth and growing as a person. It's the opposite of Teddie, a Shadow that grew into a person by interacting with others.
Anonymous No.724763551 [Report]
Anonymous No.724763603 [Report]
>>724759506 (OP)
They wrote Teddie, but then made him ugly and didn't give him a backstory to care about at all.
Anonymous No.724763637 [Report]
>>724763525
Also I should note that most Shadows are highly aggressive because they're formed from suppressed negative emotions. Trying to tell one of these guys to get along with a human is a tall order, the Maya would probably just kill the human instead. Teddie is a very rare, non-hostile Shadow.
Anonymous No.724763640 [Report]
>>724762835
I mean..
Anonymous No.724763707 [Report] >>724763905
>>724763525
Right, but the Investigation's Team's belief was that humanity was strong enough to overcome such things, even with Izanami's influence. Even if Adachi planned on having humans revert to their base, repressed desires, the fact that the Investigation Team won means that humanity is strong enough to not revert like that. So thus Shadows would develop egos by staying alongside humans.
Anonymous No.724763790 [Report]
>>724763416
Adachi didn't have a plan, he was just throwing a tantrum because he didn't want to accept that the problems in his life were all his fault.
Anonymous No.724763905 [Report] >>724764065
>>724763707
Sure, in an ideal world, that could work. But like I said, most Shadows are violent, and humans would have trouble connecting to them, and thus developing into complex cognitive beings. The androids the Kirijo Group made work like this, they inserted Plumes of Dusk, crystallized fragments of Nyx's consciousness (essentially raw Shadows) into bodies shaped like humans, and the egos within the Plumes took the form of their containers, becoming human as they grew.
Anonymous No.724763969 [Report]
>>724759506 (OP)
Romancing Ann and cucking him in the process felt good.
Anonymous No.724764065 [Report] >>724764248
>>724763905
Then the question turns back onto Teddie. Why is only he special enough to be non-human-shaped (and strangely clown-colored) but also be the only one to not be immediately hostile?
Anonymous No.724764130 [Report]
>>724759506 (OP)
We love Morgana here.
Anonymous No.724764137 [Report]
>>724761625
/v/ - Sex with cats.
Anonymous No.724764248 [Report] >>724764285
>>724764065
Because he was formed from suppressed good emotions, not negative ones. People don't generally suppress happy thoughts or, in his case, the desire to be loved. It must've been someone henious or truly despondent to suppress enough positive emotions enough to create him.

And he takes the form of a stuffed animal/mascot costume because everyone loves stuffed animals and mascots, they're fun and silly. It's the same with his human form, it's androgynous enough that he can fool people by dressing up as a girl, showing that regardless of gender, he still wants to be loved.
Anonymous No.724764285 [Report] >>724764381
>>724764248
...Adachi's shadow?
Anonymous No.724764302 [Report]
>>724759597
The fact he can shape-shift and is voiced by a cute girl still makes it doable for me. I wish they didn't give him that awkward giant head. Guaranteed people would like it more if he looked more like in op even if they wouldn't want to fuck.
Anonymous No.724764340 [Report] >>724765159
>>724760797
If anything, this proves it's not a samefag, just an image that gets used a lot in threads and OPs.
Like, if you try it again with picrel, you'll see a very similar result spread, just because random people post it a lot.
Anonymous No.724764381 [Report] >>724764532
>>724764285
Nah. Adachi, Yu, and Namatame didn't start with Shadow Selves because they were marked by Izanami as players in her game. She forcibly changed their Shadows into Personas so they could start. Adachi's Shadow is Magatsu-Izanagi, his Persona.
Namatame was too paranoid and confused to realize the truth, but his Persona was probably an Izanagi variant too.
Anonymous No.724764532 [Report] >>724764997 >>724765123
>>724764381
But then, once again, I have to wonder how Teddie is so special and why his background is so neglected for being such a unique case. Who exactly is this person who suppressed their happy thoughts? Like the Midnight Radio, there's shit in the background that's just barely touched on that'd make some interesting stuff, but it doesn't go anywhere.
Anonymous No.724764997 [Report]
>>724764532
There's nothing special about Teddie, lots of inanimate things have gained self awareness in the series. Robots, a plume that was implanted in some guy's head, the concept of death, etc. There's also other non aggressive shadows like the golden hands.
Anonymous No.724765123 [Report]
>>724764532
We'll probably never know cause Atlus is allergic to progression. The furthest we've seen the P4 crew is P4D.
Anonymous No.724765159 [Report]
>>724764340
It makes me laugh when retards think they're in a CSI episode or some shit.