Thread 724782536

>haha I will betray the emperor because Chaos makes me angier, weirder, stinkier and hornier
>surely the imperium has betrayed me by denying these shitty things!
Why do choas cultists have this mindset?

>>724782536 (OP)
Because they are dumb assholes.

>>724782536 (OP)
To sell more models.

>>724782536 (OP)
The Imperium keeps all the peasants in complete ignorance to everything and crushing poverty so when a guy shows up and says you can triple your food ration for the month by saying a couple wacky phrases and sacrificing a space chicken, they give it a try

>>724782536 (OP)
>get stuck on fart planet for years without support and fogotten.
>watch all your guys die horribly.
>join fart guys and can basically become immortal instead.
>just gotta kill the weak bitches you've been suffering for.

>>724782536 (OP)
if you actually play the game it's more like
>we're stuck eternally waging war against hordes that never seem to die, no rest or reprieve
>if we try to rest or pull back our own leaders/commissars execute us
>offered a chance to join the hordes that never seem to die, sure why not
>finally get to punish the leaders/commissars

>>724782726
How is serving chaos any better? You'll be sacrificed in a moment for the keks of the gods.

>>724784167
chaos is terrible for 90% of its followers but it actually has room for climbing the ranks if you're capable, unlike the imperium

>>724783015
I wonder how wolfer got promoted to captain in the first place if he isn't accustomed to the stupid shit that their officers put them up to. It's unrealistic.

>>724782536 (OP)
You don't understand how BAD things actually are in the Imperium when joining Chaos seems like a better choice.

>>724782536 (OP)
It's Capitalism. duh

>>724784227
>room for climbing
While also upping the stakes for failure. The higher you are, the more the gods expect and underdelivering results in eternal damnation in their shithole realms. Its better to die serving as a pious sewage cleaner in the imperium, then atleast your soul goes to the emperor.

>>724782770
>>724783015
sadly sometimes you don't have a choice

>planetary governor goes chaos and takes the planet with him

>>724784283
People join chaos because they're retards.

>>724782536 (OP)
in this guy's case he was fucked eitherway
on one corner you have commissar who's strategic knowledge boils down to charge en masse, shoot anyone who retreats
the other well entrenched and prepared enemy

>play darktide
>maps are samey gray corridors
e-epic?

>>724784227
Yeah but in a lot of cases, youre climbing straight down

>>724784967
It's not about the maps.

>>724784967
No they arent. They're blue grey, green grey, yellow grey, etc

People turn to chaos because life in the Imperium is way worse. This point has been driven home for decades, and somehow you still don't fucking understand. Amazing.

>>724784967
>play darktide
>maps actually have some variety because i queue for maps other than just Torrentslop

>>724785090
well it's actually not, but it can seem that way and normal people barely know what chaos is and it's a slow decline

Loyalist citizens:
>toil and die for "The Emperor" unquestioningly and in terrible conditions or you'll be beaten/servitorized
Heretic citizens:
>toil and die for "the gods" unquestioningly and in terrible conditions or you'll be beaten/tortured/eaten (but we promise you'll have more food)

>>724782536 (OP)
Because 40k is basically medieval in speshhh. The people are basically medieval peasants that is iliterate and just obey the boss/imperial cult and living day by day under terror either from imperium, xenos, chaos, tyranids, etc

>>724782536 (OP)
because it's based

>>724785242
>but we promise you'll have more food
lol. They eat other humans

>>724786230
more like for based retards.

>>724786362
And Imperium citizens don't?

>>724784167
From the standpoint of an omniscient reader or from the standpoint of an ignorant Imperial citizen who thinks demons and magic don't exist until they literally do the next moment?
You need to separate being a metanarrative smartass from empathetic perspective intelligence anon.
Chaos was inevitable, and in a way the betrayal was even planned by the Emperor and Malcador, Hell there are signs they even engineered it. The only thing they didn't have control over was the consequences. It's one thing to be able to see into the future, it's another to interpret how what you see came to be, and therefore how to stir the path away or towards that possible time lane.
Besides, it's also a Universe where souls are interconnected with the warp, which means you can't avoid a double-edged sword.

>>724784167
which part of "kept in complete ignorance" didnt you understand?

>>724782536 (OP)
>be some wageslave grinding away in your wage cage while the elite sip amasec in golden towers
>toil harder wagie, its all for the emperor, wink wink
>no, you bosses dont need to, because.... the emperor or something. Dont question
>there is a 0 (zero) percent chance of ever getting out of your wage cage, ever
>chaos doesnt approach you by saying "wanna sacrifice your soul to hell?"
>chaos approaches you by saying "shit is fucked, huh? Wish it could be better. Wanna hang our with the boys after mandatory prayer?"

>>724786708
Processed corpses =/= cannibalism.

>why do people join Scientology, everyone knows its a cult (Tzeentch)
>why do people do hard drugs, everyone knows it will fuck you up (Slannesh)
>why do people join terrorists, everyone knows you will die in a suicide attack (Khorne)
>why do people eat like shit, everyone knows you will be a landwhale (Nurgle)
You tell me, anon. Why do people do this?

>>724786362
So does the imperial guard to be fair

If you actually read any of the 40k stories you'd understand some people had pretty valid grievances against The Emperor.

For instance, Magnus was a Primarch, a direct creation of The Emperor. And he was an extremely powerful psyker. His legion was filled with those with exceptionally strong genetic psychic talent. When these abilities of his 'sons' got targeted by Chaos and they were subjected to the horrors of the Warp The Emperor said 'kill all of your sons'. Magnus wasn't a fan of murdering all of his legion, the people he cared for, because the Warp, which The Emperor never bothered to educate Magnus about, turned out to be very dangerous. And that was the main reason he became a traitor and ultimately a daemon prince.

A lot of the traitor stories are just about how The Emperor was a fucking dickhead ultimately.

>>724786768
>>724786828
Your contention is that the imperial citizens tend to gravitate towards chaos because they hope that it will make their life better. Ok fine but the slippery slope doesnt make any sense because how is a normal person ok to go from the average wageslave to human sacrifice making maniac just for that possibility?

>>724788000
None of these result in eternal domination and torment as far as we know.

>>724788047
>another Magnus sympathizer retard
Magnus was 100% in the wrong for messing up the webway project. There was no excuse.

>>724788047
>The Emperor said 'kill all of your sons"
What? I don't think that ever happened. TSons were just forbidden from using magic.

>>724784167
1: they don't know that yet.
2: they get so mindfucked by Chaos that they don't care if it happens.
3: main character syndrome makes them think it won't happen to them.

Only a problem if you're civilian in 40k,at least if you're a guardman, you get friends on the barracks, a cool gun, good clothes, a purpose in life and hell if you lose an arm, there's a good chance you get a mechanical arm with a lasgun strapped so you can be Megaman in 40k.
And most things on the battlefield would kill you fast, none of that cultist shit with your skin being hanged and dangled high by sharp hooks, worst thing that can happen to you is getting Prometheum naped or a tiny tyranid ripper enters your asshole. Beyond that? You'll die fast

>>724788242
I can tell you haven't been outside in about 20 years

*ahem*
fuck the emperor

>>724789185
>none of that cultist shit with your skin being hanged and dangled high by sharp hooks
Chaos can make it so that feels good.

>>724789406
I mean sure, fighting chaos sucks, but i like the way fighting 'nids and orks suck more and considering those two are the more common enemy that gets talked about the most in IG stories, you're more likely to get blasted by an Ork going waaagh than a chaos space marine dropping on you.

>>724788334
>as far as we know
You just had to add that didn't you loyalist?
But what would you know? You've never tried it.

>>724789597
>fighting tyranids sucks
why?
they're not malevolent, they're just hungry
they'll kill you quickly

>>724789185
Getting caught by deldar isn't going to end them fast.

>>724789785
>I like the way 'nidds andd orks suck MORE
As in i'd rather face a bug or an ork before some chaos fuck, or emperor forgive me, a fucking *ldar

>>724782536 (OP)
>hooman skulls
is that supposed to scare the eldar and t'au?

>>724782536 (OP)
because you don't understand the warp
you don't understand the subtlety, the slowly creeping always pervasive intent of chaos. It's not just a choice you wake up one day and make. It's a slow sliding scale, a million little cuts leading up to the point where some people aren't even entirely aware they are aligning with dark forces until it's too late sometimes.

>>724789182
>they don't know that yet
Surely doing voodoo rituals, skining people alive, drinking their blood and stuff could possibly cause good things to happen to you even in this world?

>>724789345
reported

>boot up Space Marine 2
>set volume to 50%
>put on 40K audiobook
>grind missions for hours while I listen to the story
Only way to make it through the Horus Heresy if you ask me

>>724789762
>Shit will taste bad. Don't eat it
>How do you know if you've never tried it.

>>724790228
the guys that are doing the skinning and blooddrinking get powers in return

>>724790343
where do you get the audiobooks?

>>724790594
There are some websites that specialize in audiobook piracy exclusively those usually have all the 40K ones, just look them up it's not hard to find

>>724790528
They would also see daemons and shit trying to talk to them or enter their body. That isn't a big enough red flag for them?

>>724790896
No, why would it be? The alternative they do know is the management that servitorizes people as a "good" thing. If that is the realistic example, and the rest they know is ignorance, their logical conclusion will always be "how bad can it get?"

>>724784967
> play darktide
> miss vermintide because guns are gay
Smacking things is always more fun than shooting.

>>724790228
I mean, the Empire does equally horrendous things and gets away with it, why wouldn't they?

>>724791191
You got to be fair here. Only criminals and the worst dregs get made into servitors whereas any chaos worshipper could get devoured by daemons.

>>724782536 (OP)
>>haha I will betray the emperor because Chaos makes me angier, weirder, stinkier and hornier
>>surely the imperium has betrayed me by denying these shitty things!
literally the mindset of 90% of retarded posters on here
incels and rightoids

>>724791430
well they dont know that yet

>>724782536 (OP)
GW just canonized darktide and the possible future DLC characters will be according to this rulebook. The next DLC will be any of the following
>admech
>sister of battle
>aeldari ranger
It is quite possible that they go for the last one since dark heresy also has one in it.

>>724791704
>aeldari ranger
>dark heresy also has one in it.
I'm gonna throw up.

>>724791369
No the imperium doesnt.

>>724791704
That sucks, i wanted more abhumans like beastmen

>>724790742
Don't tell him. He's a fed.

>>724782536 (OP)
Imagine being your typical /pol/poster but eventually your autistic anger gives you superpowers

>>724791997
Anon do your Blood Angels lore reps

>>724791996
Inquisitors employing Xeno agents is absolutely not unheard of.

It's really quite the feat in one aspect of how retarded a company GW are but in-spite of that the Warhammer 40k franchise is so popular and has continued to rise in popularity. There is something just inherently cool about big guys in armour fighting wars in space. You just can't really get better than that.

>>724792084
That isn't the same as liberal human meat consumption and other heinous shit among the common populace in chaos worlds.

>>724792124
Dark Heresy is a specific roleplaying system featuring multiple character options and eldar rangers are not one of them
If you want to make a game adaptation stick to the books

>>724791452
umm.... based department?

>>724792175
I would buy GW stonks if I were in britbongland. It is just getting started.

>enter Archivum Sycorax
>gothic printer starts malfunctioning and it turns into music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MK5pGJZi78

>>724784967
And this is why Vermintide 2 shits all over darkslop

>>724784967
It grows on you. The maps aren't distinctive at first glance but as you explore them more and absorb in the details you'll begin to like them, atleast most of them.

Because this franchise is carried by art design not stories

Most space marines are boring autists who show no emotion

>>724792445
I've been meaning to buy GW shares for years and always just didn't. Maybe now is the right time.

>>724792742
The scanning segments are the worst. Can't they replace them with some fun mechanic?

>>724793249
wait till the AI bubble bursts and the market is in freefall. you can get it for dirt cheap then.

>>724793119
Artwork is cool, books are cool. The Horus heresy proves you wrong that Space Marines are absolutely not emotionless, they are autists but not emotionless and they definitely are not boring.

>>724791268
The players disagree with you especially when the most played class is veteran.

>>724793249
Yes anon buy high sell low

>>724793586
I'm not buying right now, I have moved from the "I should do that" stage to the "I'm currently monitoring" stage, I am a very cautious investor.

>>724785073
>>724791268
>>724793019
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BUY MORE COMMODORE SKINS
PAYPIG MTX SKINS ARE LIKE 40 TO 1 COMPARED TO GAME UNLOCKS BTW
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>>724784167
>"The Imperium keeps the common peasant in complete ignorance..."
> WHY DON'T THEY KNOW BETTER!!!

>>724788242
Because they don't know what they're getting into you FUCKING RETARD. READ. USE YOUR BRAIN

>>724786828
>>724794437
They are well educated about the cost of heresy though if anything.

>>724794310
Just bought the krieg skin recently. Feels good to be not poor.

>>724791996
Don't worry, the anon is wrong, Dark Heresy has a corsair seer, so a guy who has no official tabletop rules even (I am not an expert though), not a ranger. But it's truly disgusting, they should just make a Space Elf RPG/action RPG if they want people to play with Space Elves. Space Elves are cool.

>>724788242
Imagine you're the most impoverished, desperate serf living under the most brutal, inhumane regime imaginable.
You know nothing of the enlightenment principles and humanitarian luxuries afforded to you by the modern era.
Imagine languishing in squalor and despair day-in-day-out, toiling monotonously and exhaustively until your body eventually gives out at which point you'll be discarded and replace, assuming you aren't accused of breaking some obscure law and subsequently executed.
Now imagine you encounter something that seems impossible that subverts the rules of your bleak reality which until now you thought absolute and immutable.
Imagine it offered to ease the hardship of your existence if you perform some trivial action.
Imagine if it worked, what if it slowly began offering greater. proportionally costlier, gifts.
Also, unbeknownst to you, this thing or person is subtly manipulating your psyche to make you more cooperative and eager.

>>724794643
And they experience the cost of devotion directly. So when their saviours treat them like shit, why would they trust them about heresy being as bad as they claim?

The slavering horrors and flesh ripping and brain melting and trypophobia tits that you see on the battlefield is not the leading hand of chaos indoctrination. That's the shit 99% of cultists will probably never see. For the average imperial citizen getting into chaos just means getting some cool tattoos with your gang and going to an orgy. You go to a sketchy medicine man and do a couple weird prayers because your lungs and bones are 50% cancer by weight from having spent your entire life eating breathing and drinking industrial waste, and the only official medical care the imperium provides is also "pray harder". Mad about the shitty state of the world? Well you're going to be labeled a cultist and executed as one anyway, so you might as well get some numbers on your side. Low level imperial life and low level chaos life are basically indistinguishable. By the time you actually see some real shit you don't get to change your mind.

>>724795940
>sour grapes nigger
ok lol

>>724794643
The cost of leading a lawful life in Imperium is quite often the same (from the aspiring new heretic's perspective). Then there's a problem of heretics somehow taking control of an entire world, then they become the bosses and the Imperium can take centuries to catch up. And if people are REALLY unlucky they can be damned even while serving teh Emperor.

>>724794310
I play the game and don't buy any cosmetics and have a fun time
Its good when I'm druk with a friend and don't want to play anything requiring an IQ over 70

>>724796095
>sour grap-AAOOMMG OMHH OMGMMG
>>724796201
Extraordinarily based.

>>724784167
>How is serving chaos any better?
Well for one you get to kill the dickbag of the overseer who was whipping you for not meeting quotas

>>724794643
If you live a pitiful life of misery, how bad can death be, really?

>>724792263
Rogue Trader has ork options and yet I'm not seeing them, now do I? Its why I haven't bought it yet, actually

>>724782536 (OP)
Because in the Imperium you will be literally lobotomized into a servitor just because some random literallywho of higher social standing decided so on a whim with ZERO ways out
At least becoming Slaanesh's living fleshlight will occasionaly provide some relief amidst the eternal horrors

>>724796413
Serving chaos always leads to a fate worse than death tho.

>>724796454
>hall monitor of the Ultramarines
He's an embarrassment to chaplains everywhere

>>724796648
Becoming a servitor is what does that

>>724782536 (OP)
It's gradual. You live a horrible life in the Imperium and some Chaos cultist hands you a pamphlet telling you it's all bullshit, you should worship another god. So you go to the meetings on Tuesdays and have some fun, make some friends. By the time people are shoving spiky dildos up your ass your mind is already corrupted by Chaos so it feels good.
>>724788513
I've softened on Magnus because the Webway was already pretty fucked up so he didn't mess too much up in the grand scheme of things. If E made it through the Heresy unscathed he probably would have just abandoned Terra and started a new Webway project somewhere else.

>>724782536 (OP)
Any hopes for DoW IV being good?
I have absolutely no expectations from the gay krauts

>>724792742
That little labyrinth segment is so cool. Pushing forward in cramped corridors, smashing ragers that try to box you in for trappers, flamers and bombers, the big open room as two run to the switches, one holds the door as the last runs to activate the console before finally reaching the end and turning off the alarm as the music hits crescendo and fades out.

>>724796831
Better than 3? Very likely
Better than 2? Quite well possible
Better than 1? Never ever

>>724786421
more like your mom was fucked by big chaos cocks while you watched like a little sissy bitch

>>724795584
Now If you are in such a situation, would you actually risk what little you have by trusting apparently devious and eccentric fellows when you know the consequences of you getting caught by the arbites or the inquisition is ever looming.

>>724788242
>Your contention is that the imperial citizens tend to gravitate towards chaos because
Because their souls are literally connected to it.
The entire purpose of the God Emperor hiding the paranormal from Humanity is two-fold.
First is that Humanity would instantly collapse if most people knew that the only fate that awaits them after death is pretty much rape, torture, and soul purge, after the Eldar and Old Ones fucked it up millions of years ago. Few would then live a stable moral life knowing what awaits them, the majority would go gung-ho the same way the Eldar went down an orgy. Drukhari are in one aspect a reflection of Humanity in that sense.
Second is a combination of weakening the Chaos Gods by lowering the influx of emotion and belief power, or refocusing it, because any bit helps in the long run; to buy Humanity time for its slow soul strengthening over time in order to eventually create a balanced parity system and countermeasure. It's a balancing act that keeps having to be rebalanced endlessly and rage-inducingly. Because the Humans you speak of are connected to the Warp more and more by the day, Chaos is therefore inevitable; but at the same time because of the weakness of the souls prior to current events, there are many countermeasures and adaptability systems that could be set in place.

The entire fucking point of everything is knowing how fallible and erratic Humanity is as a species, and knowing the benefits of its souls being weaker than other species like Eldar; and capitalising on both these facts to eventually force a way out for Humanity to survive even if it means a small fraction that can still rebuild eventually if a big fuckshow happens.
It's not a matter of morality or philosophy at the end of it, it's a matter rather of pure math and making sure it evens out.
You are taking the lore in from wrong angles.

>>724796831
The previous demo was good. It is better than DoW 2 mechanically. The voicelines, campaign and story however might definitely not be as good.

>>724796689
Don't be a criminal and you won't end up being a servitor. simple as.

>>724797029
The average peasant isn't getting investigated by the inquisition or an arbites. If anything they're more likely to be collateral damage and resent them more for it.

>>724794758
Those skins objectively suck though, they're not even proper krieg.

>>724797246
There are characters like Iron JewHans who consider doing it to lowly humans/goyim an "honor".

>>724794184
Da Boyz ar' issued uh shoota for propah krumpin', jus' like Gork 'n Mork intended, see? Four spiky humie gits break into da grot holdin' pens. "What's zoggin' going on 'ere?!" I roar as I grab mah shoota. Blow a big ol' hole in da first spiky git, 'e's ded an' missin' his 'ed, now dat's propa Orky innit. Da shoota jams, so I open 'er up and drop a few screws and nails and one of mah prized teef into da chamber, all at once. Slams shut and it explodes in my hand, gonna ha'f ta krump da mek dok an' da grot dat touched mah shoota last as I chuck it away. "ZOG YOU" I scream as I grab the explody squig attached to my Nob belt and hurl it at the last gits and explode them into meaty chunks. The last git is still breathin cos he can't die cos of dem "kaos magiks" dey always runnin' dey moufs about. I throw da body fer da rest of da squigs ta eat. Just as Gork an' Mork intended.

>>724797101
It is established that the souls of devout worshippers of the emperor end up going to him and empowering him. That is pretty much the best case that one can expect for their soul if they are human.

>>724797029
>What little you have
Have?
As in own?
Property ownership for the unlanded is heresy anon.
You must do penance in His name to cleanse yourself of sin.
For the next five years, your ration allowance is cut by 75% and your quota is quadrupled.
The Emperor protects.

>>724796454
love the absolute mindbreak Leandros causes in 40kfags
remember when they insisted being promoted to company chaplain was actually a punishment because they were that desperate to believe he was just as hated in-universe as in fanon? kek that was embarrassing

>>724797246
Literally nothing to do with criminals. Entire planets get servitorized purely for effectivity.

>>724797951
Absolutely, but that also came with the caveat of the entire Deification of the God Emperor being stopped and him severing his soul into two.
If he is ever set upon a path of unifying his souls and deifying, it will just result in another Slaanesh even, in that he will pull the souls of all of Humanity in whether he likes it or not, and pretty much be the source of the extinction of the species.
On the other hand the Warp is neither inherently Chaosy nor inherently Peaceful, after all it was a neutral ocean a long time ago that you could go through, not without risks, but not a deathzone either; so a half of God Emperor twisting it into a new existence fertile for Human souls and reincarnation is not out of the question.
Metanarrative points aside, GW writing is fucking retarded dogshit and should be taken casually, not with full seriousness, and absolutely not as a medium through which to make real life political or ideological and philosophical debates. I understand where they are trying to go with the entire Grey Knight lore bomb shitshow, but I also think the way they went about it is absolutely fucking retarded and it's one of the few times I'd have said "Just leave this mystery box unopened, it's one of the few mystery boxes whose value is precisely upheld in remaining a mystery until the total epilogue that will never come because you faggots want to sell shit while raping our brains."
Etc. etc. you get where I'm going with this.

>>724798302
Proofs?

>>724784167
>How is serving chaos any better?
It's not, retards just pretend that it is. Average humans worshipping Chaos is stupid because they'll never climb to any station of note. Chaos Astartes are constantly fighting each other over petty things like water and territory.

>>724799510
>worship nurgle really hard
>don't have to shower or wipe anymore
>he gives me a little nurgling buddy
I don't see how this a bad deal

>>724793119
t. never read a 40k book or listened to an audiodrama

>>724798282
Nigger never fights onscreen though, bro chap is a fucking hub side lore NPC, a Mechanicus man who never appeared before serves more functions by being the player's equipment screen. At least the captain makes it look like he is commanding. He is truly a failure. You can even see it on his fat face how far he let himself go.

>>724799843
>instead of the "AND THEN CHAOS CORRUPTED HIM AND A BANEBLADE RAN HIM OVER LOOOOL" shit fans wanted, Leandros earned the respected position of company chaplain and now rides along Calgar himself
>actually does his job properly now, takes turns supporting and scrutinizing Titus depending on how suspicious the situation is
>embodies the imperial dogma perfectly nobody in-universe faults him for it
>this makes online 40kiddies piss their pants in anger because their meme circlejerk tantrums about fuckleandros didn't get fulfilled

>Niggas in this thread seriously justifying that a totalitarian regime is as bad as child sacrificing cannibal rapist cults.
You guys are nuts.

>>724799670
>a cultist worships Nurgle really hard
>doesn't have to shave anymore and has fat ugly bastard on his side
>gets caught and beat to death by some ridiculous golden marines
>judged as a worthy hero apparently
>his soul is stolen from Nurgurgle who is too fat and slovenly to react
>Sigmar personally (or he relegates this, I dunno) REFORGES him in his greatest champion #21928444567
>now he has to wipe and his fat ugly bastard is killed by him personally (he doesn't remember him anymore...)
>his fate is now to save humans, do good and questionable things as his soul is reforged and he loses importants bits of his character with each jobbening he has to suffer
>he is immortal so he jobs quite often
>he is a Sigmarine now
Chaoskeks, not even once.

>>724800367
calling the imperium merely "a totalitarian regime" is an understatement of the century
you'd take any out you'd get had you been born on one of the shittier worlds

>>724800367
Most anons don't though? They just say that Chaos doesn't show its recruits what they are signing for.

>>724800684
Being a dreg in the Imperium >>>> Being a dreg in a chaos world.

>>724800070
Dude, his job is like being Emperor's Angel of Mace, nigger even lets five super green guys go fight Chaos with no supervision except for the guy who he is still watching over. That's super unresponsible and shitty. His face is fat too. Other old/older marines don't look as out of shape as he is.

Say what you want about the younger Leandros, but at least he was willing to fight.

>>724782536 (OP)
Most of them don't know they're going to be switching one set of roided out assholes in frowny helmets for assholes in frowny helmets spiky edition. And the recruiters sure as fuck don't advertise that chaos is at best a lateral move.

Rate my idea for a 40k game

>Called Planetary Governor
>A planet-wide city building game
>You play as the recently appointed planetary governor of some backwater planet, and so you have to build it up into a jewel of the imperium
>You can make it either an Agri-World, a Forge-World or a Hive-World or anything in between.
>Every few years, you must deliver the Imperial Tithe to the Imperium, whether in the form of Foodstuffs, Rare Ores, Manufactured Weapons/Vehicles or Recruits
>You can trade with both Rogue Traders, as well as (very illegally) with the T'au
>You must be on guard against several threats both internal and external
>Internal Threats are Armed Gangs, Chaos and Genestealer cults that will gradually form within the Hive Cities if you don't purge heresy.
>External Threats are Eldar Corsairs, Chaos Warbands and Ork Marauders that will raid your planet from time to time.
>To defend your planet you have only Planetary Defense Forces, but if you have good relations with the Imperium, you can call Imperial Guard or Space Marines to help you.
>The Imperial Guard are decent and numerous, but the more troops you request your Tithe requirements will increase.
>Space Marines are strong and will make short work of any threat, but you cannot control them yourself, and will often cause collateral damage.
>If you fail to deliver the Imperial Tithe enough times, the Imperium will write your planet off completely, leaving you alone to your fate
>If the planet has been completely corrupted by heretics or xenos, the Imperium will call exterminatus on your planet with you inside

>>724801446
Too difficult to make.

>>724799324
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPuo0ThnMqc

>>724801446
Too big. Reduce it to a Hive City ala Frostpunk and you are close to making it work, with some Dawn of War mechanics as well.

You could also make a GrimDark The Sims game out of Hive City life though; a bit of The Ascent RPG, a bit of home building and modification and plot expansion through various means, a bit of storytelling, quests, jobs, defense events, Arbites, Gangs, Inquisition, all the jazz. Would be a fun way for the Black Library writers to pen some civilian life perspective into the game that we usually mostly get from Inquisitor books or Biocult books.

>>724797246
>Don't be a criminal
More heinous Ad Mechs will kidnap entire cities and turn them into Servitors. Everyone seems to forget that the Mechanicus was slaved to the Imperium.

Opinions on rogue trader? should I play it if I like turn based combat and don't care that much about roleplaying?

>>724801709
Cant find this in black library. This is fanfiction.

>>724801446
Sounds okay mostly but
>If you fail to deliver the Imperial Tithe enough times, the Imperium will write your planet off completely, leaving you alone to your fate
Completely wrong. Expect the Imperial Guard but they aren't arriving to help.
>Space Marines are strong and will make short work of any threat, but you cannot control them yourself, and will often cause collateral damage
Imp Guard shouldn't be controllable either, more like influenceable and these guys will most certainly usually cost more collateral damage with their sheer numbers.

>>724801709
That's fanfiction you puddle drinking troglodyte tranimal.

>>724801890
That's definitely dark mechanicus territory. You got things mixed up.

>>724802191
Anon...loyalist Ad Mechs do it too, especially when the local forge world needs more slaves who won't complain. And the local Abritrator isn't going to call out the ranking Tech Priest that makes their gear.

>>724797951
>That is pretty much the best case that one can expect for their soul if they are human.
40k is all over the place because different writers have different levels of grimdark/derp (see the infamous average lifespan of 30 for ULTRAMAR writer vs. other sources saying much of the imperium is okayish to live in), but I think unless you're a psyker the most likely fate for your soul is hanging out in the warpsoup for a little while before merging with it
still hardly the best thing to tell peasants that their fate after death is dissipating into the warp, but not as grim as saying you're almost certain to be painfully devoured by daemons

>>724801709
Dude

>>724801446
Could be cool, I'd play it. Maybe you could make a fortress world that pumps out giganigga guardsmen and has an insane PDF like how some guard units are.
I would add more illegal options though, or another much harder route of going full heretic. Like going with the Tau or becoming a slave to Chaos. But we both know this game is never going to happen.

>>724788634
>>724788047
angron is a far better example of the emperor being a dickish retard without much reasoning behind it

>>724801558
>>724801871
>too big
I think it's doable. You can make it big only in presentation, not in the actual mechanic

>>724802774
Chapter Master the bideogame sounds more ambitious mechanically and that one exists.

>>724801982
answer me motherfuckers

>>724801709
This is fanfic and is a very specific instance of a Techpriest giving a warning/revenge on an uppity noble house.
So even in this example, there isn't an entire planet getting turned into servitors or even a large group getting turned for no reason. But a singular individual getting fucked, which does happen all the time across Warhammer in general. I can't call it proof either way anon.

>>724802749
>without much reasoning behind it
>Son gets archeotech shoved into his brain
>doesn't have a second thought without becoming irrationally fuck ass mad
>even Eldar see his future before it's written as a monster for Khorne
Big E couldn't do much for him or Curze

>>724782536 (OP)
>I AM SICK OF BEING SENT TO THE MEAT GRINDER! I SURRENDER!
>LET ME JOIN THE OTHER SIDE SO I CAN BE SENT TO THE MEAT GRINDER!

>>724802997
It's okay. Most people play it for the power fantasy. Every NPC in owlcat games constantly glazes your character's dick that it becomes obnoxious for anyone with a lick of intelligence.

>>724802392
No sources no argument.

a nation has the jews it deserves

every subversive cult in wh40k is a manifestation of that

>>724803128
I more meant the whole
>I'm going to teleport you up to my ship and have you watch your slave bros all get killed off because....I can lol fuck them nobodies
bit

>>724803291
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX94Ezt0jFA

>>724803386
Still don't see any worlds being servitorized.

>>724802749
This one is so bizzarely stupid even by the setting's standards, Emperor the cold calculator really looks at poor mental cripple and goes: "Yeah, that's what I've been missing, surely taking the last good thing he's had in his life and giving him a super high rank in my armies won't cause much problems". And then BL slop adds gems like the Imperium appointing his enslavers as their planet's hereditary governors.

>>724803726
Primarchs were made with Chaos juice, he probably knew that some would turn

>>724803341
He intentionally alienated many of his sons because he knew they were unsalvagable and losing some of them to chaos was inevitable. Horus turning was the only issue he didn't prepare for.

>>724803341
I genuinely think Agron would have willingly entered into the Emperor's service and accepted his Legion if big E just teleported down himself and defended Agron and his psycho gladiator friends.
That shitty world is meaningless compared to the worth of a Primarch, so laying waste to its entire army would be of little consequence.
Even if it was a lost cause too, promising Agron to try to save any of the gladiators from the nails would further cement his allegiance. Hell, with a larger sample size, maybe someone might have figured something out to help Agron? I doubt it but maybe.
Either way, Emps fucked up with Agron terribly. Its so fucking weird that Khorne is somehow a better father to him.

>>724803978
>"I know some of these children are more of an issue than others. I should neglect them further so they absolutely turn from me sooner."
What the fuck was he smoking?

>>724803978
yeah no that's even more retarded than just saying emps was a flawed individual
it was comically easy to earn some goodwill with angron by just helping him conquer one meme world.

>>724803761
That's a non-argument. Angron looks like a prime material to add to "mysterious disappeared primarchs and their legions, such mystery wow" and anything he could do could be done without him.

>>724804112
Neglect is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Big E gave them assignments and some of his sons fucked them up.

Konrad tortured every world he came across.
Angron bled every world.
Perty was so militantly ruthless that compliant worlds rebelled solely because of him.
Morty hated psykers to a comical level.

>>724804341
2nd and 11th Legions are part of the Ultramarines. And we don't know what happened to their Primarchs.

>>724804313
If the eldar forsaw angron falling to chaos, so would have the emperor. He literally didn't care since they are just his tools and would be dealt with eventually. Besides time was running out for his plans. Only Horus leading the traitors threw a wrench in his plans.

>>724803726
>And then BL slop adds gems like the Imperium appointing his enslavers as their planet's hereditary governors.
not to mention let them convince the population a fucking primarch was a coward who fled the battle, abandoned his comrades and died in the wilderness.
like this is multiple layers of retardation, did no one from the imperium seriously not see the issue of what would happen if angron went "gee I want to go back to nuceria and skullfuck the descendants of my slavers if they're still there", only to find a plan that believes he's a cowardly cuck?

>>724804497
>Big E gave them assignments and some of his sons fucked them up.
Backwards way of looking at things. Some of his sons had flaws when he first reunited with them yes, but Big E did actually nothing to fix them. Outside of the only time I can think of where The Word Bearer's home planet got razed as punishment.
If he had spent just a single decade at the least with any of them back on Terra. Given them a little taste of what Horus got, they all would have turned out for the better guaranteed.
>"But he didn't have the time to do that!"
He should have made time. Preventing the entire heresy or at the very least softening its impact immensely would have done more for his webway project than the neglect he gave to every single on of his sons outside of Horus and maybe Alpharius or Omegon depending if that faggot can be believed on anything.

>>724804562
>If the eldar forsaw angron falling to chaos, so would have the emperor.
that's just a cowardly cop out by GW and you know it
>dude it was FATED
as though eldar divinations haven't choked countless times in the setting
>He literally didn't care since they are just his tools and would be dealt with eventually. Besides time was running out for his plans.
the emperor spent months fucking around in orbit watching angron cobble together his slave rebellion, when he could, you know, have just intervened and helped it along nice and quickly
you don't need to defend dumb writing anon

>>724784167
>How is serving chaos any better?
you get to kill the bureaucrats

>>724804936
>where The Word Bearer's home planet got razed as punishment.
The planet was Khur not Colchis and Lorgar knew better but had these people worship E anyway.

>>724804497
>2nd and 11th Legions are part of the Ultramarines
Just an in-universe theory that, if correct, only means the Emps could just leave his legion in more capable hands that wouldn't take part in trying to murder him at the first good opportunity.
>And we don't know what happened to their Primarchs
And in a slightly better written backstory for Warham40k we wouldn't know what happened to Angron either.

>>724804562
Eldar visions are hardly ever certain. And neither are the Emperor's to his own admission.
Fate is fluid in Warhammer and shit changes by the second and depends on who is viewing that particular strand of fate and their own interpretation of said fate.
Its all bullshit thats sometimes vaguely right.

Its so frustrating how mismanaged DT is, could honestly be one of the GOATs

>>724805181
>in a slightly better written backstory for Warham40k we wouldn't know what happened to Angron either
We wouldn't have siege of terra books either. The mystique was certainly the appeal of the emperor and all the exposition about him was just lame.

>>724805332
They fixed it now.

>>724804936
>everyone thinks the Emperor is a cold, uncaring monster
>he's actually just autistic

>>724796454
It's funny how everyone respected this character and thought his attitude was completely fitting for a high ranking chaplain, but the moment his identity was revealed the inner manchild takes over and people started pretending he was bad.

>>724784167
First of all, 99.99% of people in the setting don't know chaos even exists, it was standard practice to kill everyone who ever seen a funny little star pre-cadia destruction.
Secondly, the chaos gods actually bequeath gifts to even their most lowly followers which is infinitely more proof of existence than anything the man on the golden shitter has.
Sure, a lot of the time it's NOT something any sane person would want, but still improves the life of some inbred space serf working 20hours a day moving boxes in a city of literal trillions of people.

40k is grimderp because prettymuch all of the issues the Imperium faces are self inflicted - chaos worship blows the fuck up because everyone but a dozen guys are ignorant to its existence on any given planet due to knowledge of the gods giving them power.

>>724807431
Ahem, immortal damage absorber Leandros>useless chatty NPC shitter Chaplain Leandros.

>>724788242
>because how is a normal person ok to go from the average wageslave to human sacrifice making maniac just for that possibility?
literally happens every day irl, just look at how many "influencers" have jewish managers

>>724784391
well, just as in real life with God granting his followers access to heaven, there's no way of knowing that it's real while within the setting until it actually happens. Those too untrusting will take what they can see rather than gamble for something better

>>724800582
>champion of Nurgle escapes his shit smeared fate
>gets renamed to The REDEEMED
Wow, cool it with the Anti-Indian remarks GW

You dont even have to be a chaos worshipper or even know what chaos is to have them slowly speak to you in your mind and corrupt you, or even spawn demons out of you.

>that one sad kid on a farming planet that somehow exploded into a nurgle portal that shat out billions of horrible giant flys that infected the entire planet
>after weeks of fighting and even spaece muhreens showing up they glass the planet because they cant save it

Why 40k vidya are actually worth playing?

>>724813752
>What
Rogue Trader
Darktide
Mechanicus
Space Marine 2
>Why
It's a cool setting and the games have good music

>>724813752
Dawn of War 1 (base game, winter assault and dark crusade)
Space Marine 1 and 2
Battlefleet Gothic 2 but only if you're really into spaceships
Mechanicus
Rogue Trader
Boltgun

>>724811363
kek

>>724782536 (OP)
My name is OP and I don't understand fiction and dark space magic in fiction and I also eat my own boogers

>>724813752
to push forward one not usually mentioned inquisitor martyr
it's not perfect but one playthrough for the story is very fun, just ignore some of the unnecessary grinding bullshit they added since it's an ARPG

>>724784391
When the Emperor takes your soul, he eats it. you are undone forever. When Chaos gets your soul, you still exist. Just stop being such a pussy and get out there and touch some warp!

>>724782536 (OP)
There's a Knight pilot in the book Vengeful Spirit that falls to Slaanesh, that explained it to me.

>>724783015
>now you have to fight against the imperium hordes forever but with spikes sticking up into your asshole
wow such an improvement

>>724811363
Some guy responsible for naming AoS stuff likes to have fun like this. Like when he named a slave master orc after Buck Breaking

>>724784167
The entire reason the galaxy is fucked right now is because the Emperor was a fucking moron who didn't tell his whiny demigod sons that Daemons are bad and to look out for them.
The Imperium CONTINUES this policy, now on a much larger scale.

>>724818204
>The entire reason the galaxy is fucked right now is because the Emperor was a fucking moron who didn't tell his whiny demigod sons that Daemons are bad and to look out for them.
His galactic atheism plan was solid. Shit only went tits up when Horus got possessed like a chump

>>724818337
>His galactic atheism plan was solid
It was doomed from the start because his understanding of Chaos was outright incorrect.
The Chaos Gods weren't weak for 60 million years because the Eldar were athiests, they were weak because of the opposite. The Eldar believed in Gods who were thus stronger than Chaos, keeping the Chaos Gods suppressed. It was only when the Eldar became more athiestic and lost their beliefs that Slaanesh was able to begin manipulating them into the Fall.
The entire point of it is that without proper belief in an objectively Good God(s), Chaos will spiritually invade and take dominion.

>>724818724
Sure but you're just arguing from the result backwards. We all know it failed because of the current state 40K is in.
From his perspective in 30K it was a decent plan, he knew it wasn't going to be easy by any means but he set things in motion to be as effective as such a plan could be and enforced it on a nearly galactic scale. It was a solid attempt and it reasonably could have worked if things went just a little better for him.

>>724818979
>From his perspective in 30K it was a decent plan, he knew it wasn't going to be easy by any means but he set things in motion to be as effective as such a plan could be and enforced it on a nearly galactic scale. It was a solid attempt and it reasonably could have worked if things went just a little better for him.
The problem with his perspective is that he already knew Eldar history before the Great Crusade. He personally knew Eldrad Ulthran and underwent combat training under an Autarch. He flat out predates the Fall.

>>724814327
>Dawn of War 1
Is that "definitive edition" one from this year good?
>Boltgun
I think I got a few hours in and got annoyed with how samey it seemed. Does the gameplay ever change much?

>>724818337
If your plan gets utterly fucked by one guy going rogue, it's not that good a plan.

>>724819325
No and no

>>724819325
it's fine but unnecessary imo
no it doesn't really change, if you didn't like it after a few hours you won't like the game

>>724819362
Every plan in the history of mankind can get fucked by one guy going rogue if that guy is important enough
What a retarded fucking point, at least the other anon has a point with argument about Eldar lore

>>724818337
>His galactic atheism plan was solid.
lol that wasn't his plan at all.
His plan was literally just to clear up the galaxy so he had enough breathing space to copy what the Dark Eldar did, sans the torture because their souls wouldn't be constantly leaking out of them. Everything, absolutely everything prior to shoving humanity into the webway was a means to that end.
Ironically, Fantasy already solved this issue. He should've just traced the Vortex plan from the elves to siphon out the Warp energies from the galaxy. The only forces in the galaxy that would oppose this plan at the time of 30k at the forces of Chaos, which are not in position to do anything, and the Orks who were thoroughly buckbroken by the end of the Crusade. The only downside from humanity's pov is that not every single Eldar would be killed, which they haven't accomplished anyways. Unfortunately that would still result in a 0.0000006% chance the Eldar would create Slaanesh 2.0 in 8 million years so it was a nonstarter for the Emperor.

>>724782536 (OP)
>get to feel powerful and blessed by powerful gods who can assuage the pain and misery of existence
Or
>live in hive world or industrial planet toiling in a factory eating onions green or being conscripted into some human wave division

>>724818337
>Shit only went tits up when Horus got possessed like a chump


I think it was Magnus actually. Emps probably chose future where he remained loyal but in the end he fucked it up and got his soul shattered

>>724819516
No, you dumb fuck. Life isn't your marvel capeshit. Explain to me how just one person would have stopped the US invasion of afghanistan after it's been greenlit.

>>724818724
But most humans in 40k zealously believe in the emprah and chaos is still strong

>>724783015
>now you and your men get slaughtered by the hundreds by a group of 4 retards
Chaos keks keep losing
>>724784283
Even the worst imperial worlds are still better than chaos

>>724820417
>one general goes rogue misdirects orders and battle plans
>leads to one major loss
>public support wanes
>Afghanistani morale boosted

>>724820656
Anon, the Emperor isn't a Good god.

>>724786828
They are told that heresy and that spikey man is bad. Also knowing eating children alive and demonic rituals are bad should
be obvious

>>724788634
During the heresy he offered magnus a chance to rejoin him after he turned traitor but said his sons were unable to be redeemed

>>724820417
That invasion was a disaster in our real world and it went wrong during our lifetime
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>724820801
Oh yeah, one general goes rogue. No one else in the command chain notices. The guys armed with pitchforks, sickles and cold war leftovers are now surely about to cause catastrophic losses to the most advanced military force because they cannot defend themselves due to the general's crippling hypnosis, amirite? And now their morale will soar after that and those sickles will pose a real threat to the tanks and F-16s! Jesus.
Fuck off, you braindead child.

>>724821160
Disaster how?

>>724821190
>Afghanistanis never ambushed anyone and america and its allies never suffered any casualties during the invasion or occupation of Afghanistan who as everyone knows were armed with sickles and pitchforks.
Ah yes very good

>>724821350
Are you kidding me? Did you slip in here from a different timeline?
I don't even know where to begin

>>724820969
Dangerous heresy

>>724791452
That describes trannies and leftists more

>>724792175
Not to mention a lot of big sci fi franchises like Star Wars killed themselves so people are looking for things that haven’t been totally pozzed. They also utterly dominate the tabletop wargame market

>>724821705
>Not to mention a lot of big sci fi franchises like Star Wars killed themselves so people are looking for things that haven’t been totally pozzed.
Warhammer benefited a lot from this and then decided to follow the trend and become pozzed itself
Utterly retarded move

>>724821427
Are you illiterate? Can't you tell there's a difference between suffering casualties and suffering enough casualties that you're forced to withdraw from the country altogether?

>>724821490
Take your time. You can call someone for help.

>>724796689
Better to be barely able to think than get tortured for eternity by demons

>>724821834
Are you? Did i say the america would hage to suffer catastrophic losses? No. If 200 or 300 people died in a battle in 2001 or 2002 that would have been massive and with a general helping or being a subversive? Easily more

>>724782726
>keeps all the peasants in complete ignorance to everything
Good, because the universe is filled with cognitohazards.

>>724800684
They really aren’t totalitarian though

>>724782536 (OP)
Go worship your rotting corpse on a chair faggot, at least papa Nurgle loves me

>>724822009
We were talking about cancelling the invasion, you moron. Losing 300 troops is fucking nothing. That's one mid-sized ship. Holy shit you're beyond stupid. How old are you, 11?

>>724813752
Dawn of War (Dark Crusade or Soulstorm)
Rogue Trader
Darktide
Mechanicus if you NEED more

>>724822406
300 men outright dying in one battle would have been a big deal in 2001. This isnt stalingrad the Americans wouldn't need to lose 100,000 troops in one battle for public opinion to turn.

>>724782536 (OP)
Most of them are slave soldiers who don't even know if they're still on the loyalist team or if this is just another empire cult. The actual troopers who are loyal to chaos got mind fucked by demons or might literally be possessed by one.

Despite what you are told, chaos doesn't have the actual number advantage.

>>724822658
It's honestly astounding how naive and stupid you are. Enjoy your day, kiddo.

>>724821820
At least with how things are looking in Britain they might be forced to unpozz themselves

>40k game
>space marines
>chaos

im so tired of this shit

>>724823012
>at no point refutes what i say
>thinks traitors or subversives could have no impact on military operations
>immediately ad homs
Sad really

>>724821820
It is fucking insane to watch disney being SO SHIT that it drives even the pozzed retards who ruined star wars over to 40k. And now they get to ruin 40k.

>>724796831
No.

Adb is a dogshit writer who wrote only one good book(helsreach). The night lords series sucks and is a dogshit portrayal of the night lords. Much of the dogshit writing in Horus heresy is his fault like angron and the emperor because he projects his daddy issues onto the emperor and writes him like he’s frieza because he is a filthy leftist

>>724823139
You have Mechanicus 2 to look forward to.

>The emperor dies and is kept on life support by the throne
>meanwhile an egregoric warp emperor is made by worship of him, which the emperor forbade
>there are two emperors, the egregore the imperium worships and the real guy stuck on the throne
were chaos right all along?

>>724823139
We got PLENTY of non-space marine 40K vidya in the last couple years. When will you stop bitching and start playing games?

>>724823281
such a bummer they replaced the kino cant with spoken words. it looks much worse than the first one

>>724823346
Marine haters are like vegans and leftists in that they cannot stop bitching even when you cater to them

>>724823326
Aren't they building to some civil war like this? With the grey knights being tasked to keep the emperor feeding the throne if he ever resurrects?

>>724823326
Yes. One of the biggest unfortunate truths of 40k is that Lorgar was right all along.

>>724788000
Unlike in 40k, in real life Slaanesh and nurgle are pretty much entwined together
If you eat too much you'll become 600lbs, if you have too much gay sex you'll get aids and shit yourself, which excesses often come about due to nihilism

>>724823475
Could be that they go there so h the e emperor can consume their souls and get a power boost to fully revive

>>724823475
I wonder if the sisters would side with the imperial cult or would they fight for their actual physical father-husbant

>>724782536 (OP)
For random cultists chaos who really make an active choice chaos is turned to when they have literally no reason not to. Your life is complete, complete hell every second no matter what, not to mention extremely boring to the extent its not hell, may as well see what happens.

Its not even clear that chaos results in a worse afterlife or anything. Imagine if random people in the worst slums in the world could all stumble on the possibility of some degree of real magic power, even if the chief effect of the magic is making them feel good in weird ways.

People don't become really low level cultists like they're becoming a plumber and evaluating what kind of pension it has. Its more like how people become mass shooters. They do not care anymore and hate the world.

Alternatively it could be that your planet or whatever gets taken over by chaos and you're doing it to try and survive, but that's not really the question. Similarly there's many cases where chaos corruption is gradual and so compromises your faculties that the end result is not really a choice. Its like asking people why they choose to be homeless heroin addicts. Well they didn't, they chose to take a drug that made them feel good and progressively alters their thinking and judgement until its unrecognizable.

>>724788000
>>724823550
Being fat doesn't make you a Nurgld worshipper.
Nurgle is about apathy. You'll be a bloated walking corpse but you won't feel it. You won't feel anything. You won't taste or smell anything, which is probably good considering what you've become. You're an abhorrent plague vector and you won't feel a single pinch of pain.
Slaanesh is about sensation. You will feel EVERYTHING. You'll taste every vile, sour, terrible morsel from your mouth to your stomach and you'll like it. You'll peel your own skin off just to feel the drug-laced air more clearly. You'll carve art into your body and pluck out one of your eyes just so you can see yourself through it.
It's why Nurgle is the most petty and wretched Chaos God. Every other God can simply offer gifts of strength, secrets, or sensation and accrue followers. Nurgle has to spread his filth and disease forcefully and then offer a remedy for the pain.

>>724797101
The Emperor collects the souls of all his worshippers that he can. We know He has his own Warp-space roped off, it is one of the big mysteries how that works. And any He can't take are burned up in the light of the Astronomicon which is the major reason why Terra must hold at all costs, even going beyond navigating Warp travel, which could still be done in a very limited fashion without the beacon. The very souls of Humanity are on the line if Terra falls. Which is why the Cicatrix Maledictum is a big fucking deal for those in Imperium Nihilus. Your soul is fucked if you haven't soulbound yourself to Him although this has been compensated by the Rift empowering him to likely be able to collect more of his worshipers than before.

Daily reminder that almost every single one of GWs problems boils down to 2 things
>GW is a leftist company who's sole flagship IP is right wing power fantasy
>GW is run by British boomers who's business model , espeically when it comes secondary media , is constantly trying to shove a square peg in a round hole
If GW wasent retarded they would be trying to copy what LucasArts was doing in the early 00s

>>724824106
>The Emperor collects the souls of all his worshippers that he can
This is fanfiction. Only Celestine and the Primarchs are protected by the Emperor, and the former goes through an agonizing process to be reborn.

>>724818204
Actually he did. Horus knows about them. And Magnus not only acknowledges the Emperor warned him, but that, "What does he know, I trust this huge bizarre entity I have been communicating with in the Warp!"

>>724823997
A napoleon situation maybe, siding with the church but switching once the actual real emperor shows up.

>>724824254
The Emperor protects

>>724824383
The Emperor's a broken corpse on a golden Dark Eldar torture device. He could barely muster the power to save Guilliman and it's unknown what the real cost of that was.

>>724824478
THE EMPEROR PROTECTS

>>724824254
Celestine isnt the only sister coming back to life.

>>724782536 (OP)
>we will never see humanity at their absolute pinnacle during the DAoT between the various federations, nomad flotillas, pirate stations, petty kingdoms and wannabe empires

>>724796454
>titus proves he is the emperors #1 guy so hard he literally talks to him and gets a personal vetting from the chapter master
>yeah thats cool titus but i am still watching..........................

>>724824609
>>724824650
Titus is a Mary Sue and it's laughable how popular he's gotten by virtue of being le blue Marine.

>>724824254
Gee, the Emperor is a Warp God, and is as powerful as all 4 Chaos Gods combined, if not more so, has his own territory roped off, but nooo he totally doesn't collect the souls of Humanity like all other powerful warp entities do with their followers.

I for one wish we get a warhammer game where we can PLAY AS chaos.

>>724782536 (OP)
>Imperium both have to keep the people ignorant about chaos and tell them not to interact with any of the vague taboos.
>Imperium is strict about fealty but also decentralized because of how difficult and how long it takes to travel through the imperium.
>Because of the neverending demands of the war and tithe, everybody from every level of society is pushed to exploit the shit out of each other, and the language of violence and defranchising is the main way of maintaining control.
>Thanks to the Mechanicus and the nature of chaos being able to corrupt even from some random symbols or patterns, innovations and free though is pretty much forbidden
>Thus there is no limit to how shit the average life could be. Chaos thus could easily recruit by promising to offer something better or vengeance, while hidding the true cost of joining.
>By the time you're deep in the cult, your mind is already too corrupted to care about the actual cost.
related?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhduvvA_Xpo

>>724824254
celestine resurrection is perfect vidya mechanic lets have a celestine game
after each mission you should get steamy sesbian lex from your uppity inquisition handler

>>724824942
The Emperor isn't a Warp God. He's a super special macguffin entity that GW has ramped up in power in their efforts to make the Imperium more appealing to new players as good guys. Nobody knows how Faith actually works. It doesn't come from the work because for some reason it magically counteracts the Pariah Nexus, which in turn is a direct counter to Warp and Daemon powers.
The Emperor is whatever the fuck the author feels like it so long as it furthers the agenda of selling Space Marines, Sisters, and Guard models.

>>724784967
I hate this too and wish fatshark didn't make it this way, at least with vermintide 2 it had 13 missions on launch but each of them were completely different layouts
in darktide to this day I'm still confused which mission we're doing because there's like 2-3 different mission that share the same map except you're just your going through it in a different direction

>>724825412
>The Emperor isn't a Warp God.
Stop. You are done. Leave the thread.

>>724825784
Faith powers stemming from the Emperor are not Warp Powers. This is clear in all aspects of 40k, be it lore or tabletoo.

>>724788047
Magnus did everything wrong. Read "A Thousand Sons" again. Not only was Magnus specifically warned about the dangers of the warp, and how deceitful warp entities, he was told this multiple times by the Emperor himself for years before Big E even made physical contact. Also, Big E never told Magnus to kill his sons. And that Magnus was never able to make the connection that maybe his less than careful psyker explorations with his Legion was causing the mutations just goes to show how fucking stupid Magnus is.

In fact, the HH books are the worst fucking thing to happen to the setting. All the fucking Primarchs are fucking mentally retarded. Reread the books and pay close attention to what knowledge the Primarchs specifically acknowledge to having about Xenos and Chaos, and how they were carefully warned by Big E about the manipulations and dangers. Big E may have played some his cards close to his chest, but he was very open about the dangers of Chaos, and we know this because every Primarch states how they were warned.

And yet you get dumb fucks like Magnus and Horus falling for the most obvious and hamfisted manipulations by Chaos. For supposed super geniuses with years of experience fighting and facing the dangers of the galaxy and all receiving at least some tutelage from the Emperor of Mankind, the millenial old, single most powerful and knowledgeable psyker in the entire galaxy, the Primarchs sure end up falling for deceptions that wouldn't even fool the average person with half as much direct experience and knowledge.

>>724821136
Yeah, after Magnus already turned traitor. Very different than what >>724788047 said, which puts the order of events as, "Magnus and Thousand Sons still loyal, but Big E tells Magnus to kill his legion."

>>724825913
>your headcanon vs decades of codexs and BL tales
Just stop already.

>>724783015
>we're stuck eternally waging war against hordes that never seem to die
They die all the time though. They just get to have respawn if they earned enough favor from their chaos god of choice, but given how big boys take a while before being let back out into real space, i don't see how guardsman johnny redshirt will live long enough to see a no name cultist be allowed out of the warp, and that's working on the notion that the chaos gods gave enough of a shit to let said no name cultist respawn in the first place.

>>724825913
>dud they're just a completely unexplainable yet still somehow tangible power that isn't psychic or tied to the warp!
dude what butthole are you pulling this shit out of

>>724824090
Technically khorne does it too. He causes problems and then offers solutions. He wont pick favorites not because it's fair but because he's a big fat parasite who would rather eat from two rather just one bleeding corpse.

>>724824942
the truth is that GW refuses to be explicit about this either way, I think because they know it opens up a bit of a "what's the point?" question if you say
>PSYCHE impericucks! everything you do in life is utterly pointless you'll just get devoured by demons in the warp after you die!
but their endless adherence to grimderp means they refuse to allow any positivity about the imperium to hang about for too long

Fuck Magnus the Red.

>>724826627
based grandpa

>>724784167
This is literal autism. This anon is incapable of percieving that slave peasant #3725173 in a fictional setting doesnt have complete knowledge of the forbidden arcane magic of his fictional universe.

>>724782536 (OP)
I believe most powerful people use chaos powers to some degree, it's just banned for the majority as they can't handle it

>>724826164
Show me where the Psykers are in the Sisters of Battle Codex. You're only going to find one, and it's a named character who's a freak of nature for SoB.
>>724826316
>>dud they're just a completely unexplainable yet still somehow tangible power that isn't psychic or tied to the warp!
Correct. That's legitimately what GW did for the Pariah Nexus. The Imperium was barely making headway there until the Sisters of Battle showed up and somehow counteracted the Stilling effect by just being really faithful. So faithful that they also began counteracting the effect on other Imperial forces and allowed the Imperium to push deeper into the Nexus. Why this works while Warp powers don't is never explained.

>>724826728
>Show me where the Psykers are in the Sisters of Battle Codex.
The SOB powers are just the Emperor's. It is just that simple and has always been the case. Their faith is just low grade Warp powers that the Emperor can supercharge because he likes big titty schoolgirls. This has been the determination of both the Word Bearers and the Astra Telepathica multiple times, something both sides actually agree on. The Emperor's particular brand of Warp energy just isn't as effected by null fields, likely because his version is based on order instead of chaos, which entropy has a more limited effect on.

>>724782536 (OP)
It's not called the Primordial Truth for nothing

NURGLE
BOARD

What's the best 40k game? I want something that deals with serious lore like the Primarchs and the Emperor, not nameless grunts fighting on a backwater planet.

>>724825272
Tts is dogshit and has contributed to the degradation of warhammer

>>724792445
I really regret not buying when 8th edition came out, obscene levels of growth since then.

>>724827660
Thankfully the video games have completely avoided that capeshit

>>724827660
>What's the best 40k game?
Dawn of War, by far
>I want something that deals with serious lore
Chaos Gate Daemonhunters

>>724816135
the emperor eats psykers, he doesn't eat normal people, if you're not sitting in the astronomicon, you just die and commend your soul to his care vs being some plaything of the dark gods or one of the demonic things that lurk in the immaterium.

>>724804936
The thing you have to understand about how the Heresy has been written is that the writers did plan on revealing the Emperor planned for the Heresy to happen, which explains why he made mistakes. But the thing is, the actual plan the writers intended for the Emperor to have is extremely fucking stupid. The writers who planned this are no longer around, so it's up in the air what the Emperor was thinking.

>>724827376
>The Emperor is a Warp God but he's special because his Warp powers aren't actually Warp powers they're Faith powers which are totally different and special and better and only Sisters get them except they don't have any Psykers and are actually just super duper faithful
Why bother calling them Warp powers when they clearly aren't meant to be?

>>724828093
It used to be ambiguous whether the Sisters' powers were just psychic stuff they though were miracles. But they've done away with a lot of the ambiguity with that now

>>724828091
He probably knew that some were lost causes like angron or Konrad and were going to need to be taken behind the shed at some point but he did plan on keeping the primarchs and marines around

>>724782536 (OP)
>haha I will betray the emperor because Chaos makes me angier, weirder, stinkier and hornier
funny thing is you won't mind when you become those things. the imperium is an absolute shithole if you're a regular human

to quote Guilliman : ‘It has long been in your capability to transform these worlds. Baal Primus is dead, but you need not let your remaining people suffer unnecessarily. Will they fight any better for dwelling on a world that kills them? By sacrificing their children to the Emperor’s service, they have earned a better life. Once you have torn that blasphemy down, raise up the population of Baal Secundus. Teach them what we are fighting for. A line must be drawn between what is good and what is evil, for if the Great Enemy comes with offers of power to a wretch, what reason does he have to refuse hell if he dwells in it already?

>>724828093
probably because there are no metaphysical powers in the setting that aren't tied to the warp in any faction, at all? because literally everything is tied to the warp? fuck, the tyranids aren't even from this galaxy and everything they do is tied to the warp
we just need to accept "it is a psychic phenomenon is a way we don't understand" as the descriptor, because quite literally nothing else makes sense

>>724784391
>The higher you are, the more the gods expect and underdelivering results in eternal damnation in their shithole realms
there are daemon princes that do literally jack shit and the gods are fine with it. it really depends on their mood (pretty much the same with the imperium honestly. that governor can order that janitor be turned into a servitor coz his face looks funny)

>>724787574
keep telling yourself that imperial scum

>>724828750
Sanguinius wanted Baal Segundus to suck because it builds character and I'd say he knows a little more about Baalite culture than Gorillaboat.

>>724829125
>Sanguinius wanted Baal Segundus to suck because it builds character
which is retarded for no good reason. nearly all the primarch homeworlds are fuckups compared to the realms of ultramar. gorillaman actually wants the imperium to thrive

>>724829249
Every other Chaos warband comes from an Ultramarines successor, what does Robot know about stopping people from falling to Chaos. Plus he betrayed the Imperium that one time. Not much of a role model that guy.

>>724829249
The ultramarines still leave babies in the wilderness to test endurance and put youths through harsh training

>>724827979
>you just die and commend your soul to his care
Is this actually true? If so it actually makes the suffering in the Imperium worth it because you do help mankind in some very small way, and the Emperor still has your back.
Why the fuck would anyone join the chaos Gods otherwise?

>>724829374
>Every other Chaos warband comes from an Ultramarines successor
most of which stems from imperial retardation.
> Plus he betrayed the Imperium that one time.
he understood that the ideals were more important than the man. the moment he knew that the fight was still on he dropped that shit and threw his whole force into the effort

>>724829395
yes? you still need to prove your worth. they're still space marines.

The emperor was canonically hitler

>>724787574
Most hive worlds dont always have it processed.

>>724829249
In another time Rowboat Girlyman would've been the emperor of his own realm. Just a shame that he had to play second fiddle to a golden roach and his antics.

>>724829557
By surviving in the shithole they prove themselves and become better marines

>>724782536 (OP)
Emperor was dumb how he handled Angron.
Plus he lost to the priest

>>724782536 (OP)
Do any of you actually understand how The Forces of Chaos, or the warp, operates in 40k?
>A man killed your family? You hate him, you want revenge, you want to kill him with every fiber of your being.
Congratulations, you just let Khorne into your heart.
Faith in the Emperor isn't a choice. It genuinely protects you and guides you away from Chaos. If the Emperor doesn't come first in your heart, something else will.
You're too prideful? Slaanesh. You forsake the Emperor in a state of disease and despair? Nurgle. You have an insatiable desire for knowledge and control? Tzeench.
Sound familiar? Starting to see parallels here?

>>724829560
>Biggie E was conically in the crowd when Jesus was getting wheeled out to the cross by the Romans and jews.

>>724829635
guiliman wants not just space marines to live better lives (encouraging them to engage in politics and civis). he wants even the regular joes to have a chance. that's the main difference.

>>724782536 (OP)
Life in the 40k universe is incredibly shitty for a lot of people. Chaos preys on people in their moment of weakness, it is literally created from that. That's why it is called "falling to Chaos". Most who do are psychotic from war trauma, dying from some horrible plague, desperate for knowledge or living a life of absolute suffering. After that initial crack it is pure sunk cost fallacy. There's no gaining, it is pure copium.
I don't know how you can think it is unrealistic when a large population of people in real life do the same thing without the machinations of great evil forces, and for much less benefit.

>>724829754
People can shit on the Ultramaries for being goody two shoes but a man like him is wasted on the piece of shit that is the Imperium. Just accelerate the whole thing into a black hole and start from scratch. There is no saving it with the level of full retards at the helm between the high gaylords of Terra and the various houses/guilds squabbling for scraps.

just want a new ork game tbqh

>>724829758
>pretty much is responsible for the heresy
>kills several important characters
>gets away with it all
How does he do it

>>724829478
>Is this actually true?
Not really, you get plenty of faithful and 9/10 times theyre still demon food. GW likes to imply the emperor will save the damned souls from chaos but in terms of it actually happening probably not.

>>724829478
Yeah I remember in some book some guardsmen died and went to what is basically heaven

>>724830142
he is blessed by the gods

>>724830142
i think it's wild he got away with it, way more minor bastards did not get away with a whole lot less

>>724830142
Divine intervention

>>724829478
When you die free of unusual circumstances, your soul goes into the warp and is dispersed. Like peeing in the ocean.
If you are a regular person who dies during a warp event like a warpstorm or you're sacrificed by a cultist, your soul is going to be raped and eaten by the waiting daemons.
If you are a cultist, your soul is promised to daemons and you will be raped and eaten.
If you are a psyker, your soul lights up the warp when you die, so you're getting raped and eaten.

>>724830324
but he didn't even really get anything out of it, no immortal ascension, no grand status, he's just some guy in the word bearers now, he's clearly not *that* favored

>>724830512
He’s one of the top guys in the word bearers the only one who rivals him is kor phaeron

>>724830437
I've heard the warp is also refered to as the sea of souls.
Is that were peoples souls go too if they're not actively getting butt fucked by deamons?

>>724830512
>no grand status
He is the Hand of Fate™, just ask him

>>724830617
that really doesn't mean that much, he was ALWAYS one of the top guys in the word bearers from day one, i can't even think of the last time he was mentioned or relevant

>>724830142
Erebus is awesome.
https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/child-of-chaos-eshort-2020.html

>Horus mutilated me, my own primarch discarded me.
>That could be a cause for self-doubt, here on the edge of Terra's fall.
>That could make a lesser soul slink away, gnawing on his failure even as humanity's bastion collapses at last.
>But that's never been my way.
>I've been stung before, and I always come back for more poison.

>>724830724
He summoned a gorillion demons during the 13th black crusade and telling people to go do shit

>>724830660
The warp is an alternate reality to material reality made out of emotional energy from sentient beings in the material realm. Since the galaxy got so fucked, it's essentially space hell and is filled with malevolent entities (daemons) that will fuck you up. Everyone goes there when they die, but most people have souls that are so weak that they fade away almost instantly. Having a stronker soul essentially marks you as daemon food. Something like a dead Primarch could probably beat up any daemon that shows up to eat their soul.

>>724828891
>probably because there are no metaphysical powers in the setting that aren't tied to the warp in any faction, at all?
Except the C'tan
And the Ethereals
And various minor incidents

>>724801446
The Arbites will kick your teeth in first if you fail to deliver the tithe

>>724830660
the sea of souls is another name for the warp due to the currents and tides of warp travel. the warp isn't wall-to-wall demons, they're more like fish in the ocean, if they see your souls before it disperses they can get you but if no one's really nearby then you just become part of the currents
that part is irreversible, once you're gone in the sea you're gone, you're basically nothing

>>724830749
I love that story

>>724830843
>Ethereals
we don't even know what that one is, don't make assumptions here

>>724830512
Erebus and Kor Phaeron pretty much divided leadership of the Word Bearers between them for 10,000 years while Lorgar meditated. Erebus is more aligned with Abaddon and the Black Legion than Kor Phaeron is.

>>724830938
>we don't even know what that one is,
Yeah anon that's the point.

>>724830749
I like that Erebus is legitimately a strong fighter, probably the strongest WB marine, but he still backstabs people just for the fun of it

>>724829478
Isn't the emperor actually a evil false god just a really powerful psycher soul muncher the chaos gods are the good guys.

>>724831071
Least obvious heretic post

>>724831071
>Isn't the emperor actually a evil false god just a really powerful psycher soul muncher
Yes
>the chaos gods are the good guys.
No

>>724831025
yeah but that doesn't mean it's "metaphysical", it could still literally be something stupid like pheromones or hypnosis
the c'tan were once just clouds of gas that absorbed energy, they weren't close to "gods" until they used the science of the necrontyr, which isn't metaphysical, it's literally physical

four fucking chaos gods and we got this pygmy shit over here

>>724830142
>How does he do it
Not all the time. There are some instances where he gets his comeuppance like when Kharn beat the shit out of him or when Horus carved a pound a pound of flesh from his body.

>>724831239
>Five fuckin' Gods and we got this other pygmy thing over here

>*shows up to your battlefield*
>*blinds you with my glorious golden halo*
>*flowers grow on the barren ground beneath my footsteps*
>*touches your demolished tank and knit the shattered metal together with my mind*
>"I am not a god"
>*flies away*

>>724831330
>Age of S*gmar

>>724831319
He got away though and regrew his face

>>724782536 (OP)
Because those who usually fall to Chaos in universe do not have the meta knowledge of the setting we do. They just see, "hey my life under the Emperor sucks, these other guys are saying my life would be better under other gods." while the Imperium hides it so much that the vast majority of people do not understand why Chaos is bad. We on the outside know full well the lore and the damnnation that awaits > 99% of chaos followers who don't end up daemon princes.

>>724831239
There are five gods at the wheel

>>724831494
>he thinks there are only five gods
>he lacks critical information
It's called the Eightfold Path for a reason

>>724831239
>four fucking chaos gods and we got this pygmy shit over here

>>724831553
And Malice is the primordial truth

>>724831553
If you're curious
>Encroaching Ruin: Chaos in its purest form is a terror that few can stand before and remain sane. It hungers only for destruction, that all things mortal meet their predestined end and crumble into dust to be forgotten. To this singular end it moves inexorably, driven by a nightmarish purpose which subsumes the petty divisions of daemonkind.
>Ravenous Dissolution: Such is the hatred that swirls within the Warp that it encompasses all things, and like the dragon of eternity that feasts upon its own tail, this hatred extends even to itself. To expect rational and sane logic from creatures such as these would be foolish, for Chaos was both its name and nature. Yet, in its self-destructive hatred there was no ally to be found, only a new and more unpredictable foe.
>Formless Distortion: Even as Daemons manifest as obscene parodies of mortal forms, the true essence of Chaos is endlessly shifting and unknowable, twisting, changing and perverting everything it touches. Some Daemons who crossed the veil into realspace embodied this ceaseless distortion to its fullest extent, shaping themselves into roiling agglomerations of immaterial flesh and bone, for whom death was simply one component of the eternal metamorphosis they would inflict upon the material world.
>Malevolent Artifice: Just as Chaos reflects back a twisted mockery of humanity’s every facet, so too is the very drive to create perverted into a malevolent and destructive force within the Immaterium. Conjured forth into realspace, such daemonkind harnessed the works of mortals as a vector for their own annihilation, their monstrous machine-entity forms at once a mimicry of flesh and artifice, every action made to demonstrate their supremacy over both mortal beings and everything they deigned to create.

>>724825913
Just like Spess Yiff Rune Priests channel the powers of Fenris, not the Warp, amirite?

>>724782536 (OP)
Speaking of Chaos, what does /v/ think of Vashtorr?

>>724788242
>grow up in hive
>mom works 18 hour days, don't know who dad is
>regularly get your ass kicked by her and anyone else who feels like it
>privacy is non-existent
>personal belongings consist of your clothing
>constantly told the emperor loves you and if you believe otherwise we will kill you
>never see any evidence of that love
>hit teenage years
>in the tiny free time you have between shifts and sleep, hang out in a bar
>eventually get introduced to some guy talking about magic
>turns out he's not bullshitting, he can actually do magic
>wizard says the emperor is a dead fag on a golden toilet
>kind of believe him since E hasn't done shit for you and this guy is a fuckin wizard
>hang out with cultist guys who like fighting
>get good at fighting with them, feel more in control of your life
>fast-forward
>khorne is cool, he makes you strong when you kill people, which you like doing anyway
>turns out you guys are gonna take over the place
>sounds fun
>split open a cop's skull with an axe
>having more fun, not ever gonna go back to back-breaking shifts for human meat dust rations after this
>die swinging at a PDF fag
>die free
Your average imperial peasant's lot in life is miserable and they know almost nothing about the true nature of chaos. Humans naturally desire freedom and chaos is offering them freedom from the Imperium, to which 99.999% of humans are slaves. We know on a large scale, chaos would wipe out humans as a species, but individual citizens don't care about the bigger picture, they care about making their shitty lives less shitty.

>>724831887
Looks like a casting reject from the Gorgonites

>>724831352
According to new lore the Emperor's "I'm not a God" was actually a test of faith all along and he was actually using it to ensure his followers would be SUPER faithful only to him with no potential for other worship.

>>724790228
people do that stuff in the real world just for fun
imagine if you could do it and it'd actually have an appreciable effect
it'd be like finding a cheat code or glitch in reality

>>724831887
>vashtorr about to wipe out the dark angels
>belakor comes out of nowhere to beat him up, saving the dark angels, out of sheer spite and envy over his rival accomplishing something
very funny

>>724831887
Yet another
>introduce new big threat
>proceed to do nothing with him for years after his story arc

Watch the Last Church

>>724832306
Honestly, Vashtorr is an exception there, him barging into the Pariah Nexus is the most recent lore development currently. He's supposed to be in the new Cawl novel too, which will probably be the most up to date novel in the timeline.

Fuck it we ball mindset seems to be quite appealing in the grim derpness of the 41st millenium.
>>724794758
>kriegger fan
>eats ze slop
Well, that checks out.. anyway
GET THAT KRIEGGER BITCH OFF THE MOURNING STAR! KRIEGGER!
>>724796201
Based take.
>>724790343
Also based, it's a damn shame that half of the customization is missing with other half being paywalled, fucking greedy ruskies.
>>724785410
True, your average 40k Joe is more likely closer to the medieval model of thinking than current day one.
>>724791704
Novitiate sister or some poor skitarii seem to be the best bets, idk what niche either of them will be filling tho.
>724813752
DoW1&2, first and probably second space marine, darktide (if you ignore the fomo premium store and get it off the key sites), deathwing, rogue trader, mechanicus and if you're autistic, battle fleet gothic I&II.

>>724790228
Cool it with those remarks bro

>>724832173
Everything related to the book (forget what it was called) involving the Emperor turning into some fedora tipping redditor was pure fucking cringe.
It doesn't even make sense, in the grand scheme of things, because people still worship him.

Is Space Marine 2 good if I dont have buddies to play it with?

>>724791704
Meet your new Darktide DLC, soon to be revealed in just over week.

>>724831071
>a evil false god
hard to say whether he actually wanted to present himself as such
>a really powerful psycher soul muncher
yes, he is essentially just a dude with a really big, powerful soul
>the chaos gods are the good guys
fuck no lol, not if you care at all about the long-term survival of humans as a whole

>>724791704
>no Kroot
>no Ork

>>724824951
Dawn of War and TWH have you covered, technically. There is also the Heretic path in Rogue Trader but it's quite underbaked.

>>724832394
>He's supposed to be in the new Cawl novel too, which will probably be the most up to date novel in the timeline.
That book is going to perfectly exemplify modern 40k
>Imperium and Chaos fighting to steal xenos tech while the xenos are relegated to NPCs who just get to sit there and take their beating

look at our heroes...they're washed...

>>724832876
>modern
It’s always been this way

>>724832995
>HH Ends
>GW immediately starts making HH 2
Lmao

>>724832995
Who are the two ultramarines behind sigismund

>>724782536 (OP)
Chaos works for the same reasons Communism works. You pitch something new and "definitely better" to people who believe they're at the absolute bottom, unaware of how much worse things can truly get.

>>724833054
this is preventing Armageddon 5: for real this time so i'm fine with it

>>724832783
Let's be real here, what can the Inquisition offer Kroot or Orks to fight for them? Kroot can't eat Chaos corrupted bodies and the local Admech will throw a fit if the Orks loot their shit. The Arbites are also known to turn on radical Inquisitors, like ones who consort with xenos.

>>724832471
>Novitiate sister or some poor skitarii seem to be the best bets, idk what niche either of them will be filling tho.
Sister could probably be a bulkier Zeolot with its abilities being to invoke miracles for team support. Admech class will be a split between Skitarii (offense), Electropriest (applying shock debuffs), and Lexmechanic (idk team support or smthn).

>>724833095
They might just be generics, I also don't think that's Sigismund, he was already black at this point

>>724832995
>they're washed
Well maybe start working on the highlights then? We don't pay you to stare at half-painted plastic all day.

>>724831239
the real pygmy thing is the nascent tao warp goddess
worship mommy greater good humanity, a better way is in sight!

>>724832995
I've never got the hype over Raldoron, compared to Zephon or Amit

>>724784227
>but it actually has room for climbing the ranks if you're capable
Outside of modern individualist western liberal societies, this has never been a moral value, and people did not desire for it.

>"As you can see our Ruinous Powers Program offers considerable benefits for new employees should they meet their quotas regularly. This includes but is not limited to vacation packages, paid overtime and great health insurance plans should they opt in for a position at the department of Nurgle."
>"We also have free donuts in the company kitchen!"

>>724833515
Rape Horse looking motherfucker

>>724833552
>its canon that the word bearers have rules on what shade you can paint your armor, which change almost daily

>>724832995
>corax missing
>no iron hand rep
kek

>>724827571
is that a..

>>724833679
Wasn’t corax fighting in the south

>>724833098
>>724829771
>>724826680
Maybe the peasants need facts and logic, just like our deity ricky and morty

>>724833773
I think he was last with Russ, who is there

>>724833515
that's only accurate if the horse dies after one year every time and you buy a new horse and say the old one "wasn't a real horse"

>>724801446
nice

>>724788000
gimme a skull face death head like that guy on the left and I'm in.

>>724823326
>>there are two emperors, the egregore the imperium worships and the real guy stuck on the throne
Why would they be separate? Nobody believes them to be separate.

>>724832725
Oh damn. The ganger is unlikely since we have arbites in the team. It would be like teaming up a psyker and a blank together.

>>724832995
memes aside, I fucking love the series' that deal with the "The Day After" tropes. Like the big apocalypse or war has happened, now the survivors are tasked with the fucked up job of being janitorial clerks and hardhats. In the case of the Scouring, if you were one of the primarchs, you have all these traitors to have topersonally strangle, but at the same time you have to manage this shattered empire that your daddy Emps had built over gorillions of years and now you're half the brothers and without any of the brilliance, even worse there's internal struggle over whether you were "there" or not at the Siege of Terra, which is always going distance the bros. I love the nitty gritty details of these kinds of scenarios.

>>724833798
Schizophrenic reply

>>724782536 (OP)
This is bait and has probably been awnsered 5 times already but
>work 16 hours a day
>do this for 2 or 3 decades, no time for any hobbies, you live to work
>you have sex and have a wife but she also works and you hardly know her
>home consists of a 6x6 sq ft hab block in the cess pit of a hive city
>Suddenly a voice tells you things dont have to be this way
>voice tells you to do things and youll recieve gifts
>you do these things and see the gifts are indeed real, be it strength or magic powers
>you have no idea about chaos because the masses arent allowed to know
>On top of that your new cult buddies give you a social life and friends
>suddenly not depressed anymore because you feel liberated
>resent the imperium for treating you like shit this whole time, see it for how broken it is
Im pretty sure theres a slave that gets abduxted by the nightlords from the imperium and sees his new living conditions as an improvement

>>724834750
Chaos is spreading

>>724832995
They should bring back Dorn.

Some planets must be "comfy" no? Like they dont have the premium resources so they just kinda stay there

>>724834834
>YES! Inject my veins with MORE primarchslop
It's time to stop

>>724834885
Imperial planets are obligated to draft people to the Imperial Guard and pay taxes of some kind, so that's always going to be a thing. Sure some planets are OK, but that will still be there. Also, the sheer size of the population for hive cities and planets indicate most Imperials live in hives, and that's pretty shitty.

>>724834119
why would they be the same? the emperor wouldnt want it

>>724834775
So, obviously it's been said so I'm not gonna say why this is gonna suck eventually when this guy's "masters" show up and sacrifice his flesh to whatever chaos shenanigans will occur. Instead, I will actually say the opposite. That since the setting is so expansive, there's probably a good chance a chunk of administratum or manufactorum niggas are so lowly and worthless, they probably had this happen to them and they hardly really noticed. I mean, most of them are just sitting in metal can rooms pressing buttons or moving thing a into thing b and putting it on a belt. If the instructions that come through the vox or cogitator ends up having weird glyphs and sigils and shit, it probably wouldn't really affect them all that much since they wouldn't know an aquila from the chaos symbols anyways. Whole worlds probably exchange between chaos-y and imperial control and people probably don't even notice.

>>724834928
It's the way it's going. There's a none-zero chance clone Fulgrim escapes Trazyn's collection and joins the loyalists.

>>724834928
Yes. There are no stakes because nobody important will ever die because they have nobody important. There has to be some kind of escalation.

>>724835037
Oof

>>724834826
>Chaos is spreading

It's cheeks, so The Emperor can buck break it just like he did with Nurgle's garden after stomping Mortarion.

>>724834885
although uncommon, there is actually a low, not infinitely low, but actually normal low chance that you could just get born into a fairly decent world that isn't plagued by something insane. You could be on a knight world and it's basically just palace politics, but it's mostly just a normal place. I think in the newer books there's an imperial world depicted that basically has like cafes, open concept cities, people drive cars, groceries and go to the bar and drink, pretty normal life with an normal ocean and they love the beach and shit. The tithe is usually some people for the guard and whatever resources, which could just be some foodstuff like wheat and meat and shit, it isn't always like some insane cost.

>>724835080
Theres a great Hammer and bolter episode about some admimistorum lacky getting fucked with by Tzeetch corruption

I wish hammer and bolter would return despite being an animated power poont presentation

>>724834775
>>724835080
It could be even easier and some weird bald guy could be coming in and trying to unionize, or someone gives you drugs, or nightlords show up and kidnap you, or some guy tells you to sabotage a telecommunications tower and he suddenly starts growing and showing teal armor.

>>724834885
Imperial planets range from beautiful Garden Worlds to planets not to different from our modern Earth to the absolute shithole of a Hive World. Population density means you're more likely to be born to a shithole Hive, but there are absolutely Imperial planets that could be called "nice" or "not bad". The nature of 40k means the nicer planets don't tend to feature in lore unless they are about to be raped by warfare.

>>724835094
The stakes aren't increasing when they introduce one primarch in the loyalist side just to bring back some traitor primarch from the shadows.

>>724834151
Arbites don't really care about petty criminals as long as they don't get in the way of the Imperial Tithe or flagrantly break the lex, and recruited gangers have the backing of the Inquisition. Not to mention Zola was also one of them, though she deliberately avoids them as a result, but it could also be because Wolfer is literally her brother.

>>724834885
There are plenty of planets that are nice enough to live even some hive worlds aren’t terrible

>>724835876
They are because then something could actually happen.

>>724836303
You also forgot the simple fact that the premise is already that the Arbites is working with criminals.

>>724834885
The comfiest are Paradise Worlds (if you're a noble), followed by Shrine Worlds (if you aren't forced to polish statues of saints your entire life), then Agri Worlds (if your planet doesn't poison its entire ecosystem). Tribal/Feudal worlds are more hit or miss, but your life is definitely more likely to be miserable in a Hive World or Forge World, obviously in a Death World.

>>724836791
agri-worlds are NOT fucking comfy dude, have you been watching imperial propaganda vids again?
i mean holy shit read any description of any agri-world from any book or codex, that shit is like beyond miserable, i've read kinder descriptions of demon worlds

>>724836791
>forge world

Nah, your tech priest masters will remove the parts of your brain responsible for misery, and replace them with computers. Or maybe you get chosen to be a skitarius, then you get to play with cool ass lightning guns.

>>724782536 (OP)
Sister of battle

>>724836995
QRD?

>>724836995
Some agri-worlds are grimdark industrialized farming shitholes, some are relatively nice farm village planets. Iax was nice before it got raped by Nurgle.

>>724836995
They would be ok if you aren't a laborer.

>>724837085
No.

>>724837132
Grimderpfication to portray typical Agri Worlds as heavily polluted shitholes that rape the whole ecosystem in order to meet the quotas.

>>724784227
So you are saying, chaos is a ladder?

>>724791704
>>724837085
SoB is too OP. They have power armor and power weapons.

>>724836995
That was one planet plenty of agri worlds are nice

>>724837527
More like a vertical cliff

>>724836995
>I have to work in a farm for the rest of my life and am forced to have 10 children with my cute, subservient housewife! Oh no!
This is the life chaos doesnt want you to have

>>724837529
>power armor
just translates to extra toughness like Arbites carapace armor
>power weapons
as if every other class doesn't have at least one

>>724837796
They go beyond with melta and volkite.

>>724837529
If the SoB is a Novitiate then she wouldn't be wearing power armor and the Core Rejects already get access to power swords and thunder hammers.

honk honk motherfucker

>>724833507
>stay on the bottom rung and like it peon
shut the fuck up.

>>724836995
Not ever agri-world is the same you retard. Some are shitholes where you and your decentents exist just to produce enough food and crops to meet the quotas meanwhile some agri-worlds are tame and chill. Same goes for any "Civil" worlds. Some range from India tier to Sweden. Majority fall in the former but its not uncommon for a world to be decent.

>>724838079
Nobody cares, faggot.

>>724836995
I will simply ignore stuff like that and say that any of the agri-worlds my dudes directly control are peaceful if busy farm planets.

>>724838165
wrong

>>724837882
>melta
common specialist weapons other imperial factions also use
>volkite
extremely rare relics by the 42nd millennium afforded only to senior techpriests and most elite of troops

>>724837132
do not believe the anons lying to you, 99% of agri-world are this

>>724838257
I love volkite weapons so much it's unreal

>>724838257
>>724838310
Meanwhile volkite is standard issue for the dogsoldier lol

>>724838310
I'm more of an arc rifle man myself.

>>724782536 (OP)
Because the emperor is no God.

>>724838265
>endless fields of corn
>so comfy people don’t want to leave
What’s the source of this passage

>>724838465
During the great crusade and heresy not in the current setting and even then they were reserved for solar auxilia and space marines

>>724838823
I forget to mention that I was talking about the Votann.

>>724788000
You should read Gaunt's Ghost, it's really intereting to see war from a chaos cult/ chaos guard perspective

>>724838906
Votann are not as numerous as humanity, and have access to materials from the galactic core, so they are not a good example. Those fuckers have swords made out of a mineral that if it touches you at all it just turns your brain off.

>>724838906
Only Squat elites use them, all the other grunts use bolters or plasma weapons

We just need to fuck the Eldar until they relent and start worshipping the Emperor instead of their weird dead pagan pantheon. Then the Imperial Faith will be supercharged and bring about the Emperor's awakening to destroy Chaos and all the nasty ugly xenos who don't bend the knee.

>>724838949
That series is kino I read up to anarch but the last two weren’t as good as the rest and had some feminist nonsense in it. I haven’t read vincula insurgency so maybe that’s better

>>724824650
would you prefer that the guy whose job is to search for corruption with a fine toothed comb just turn a blind eye to one guy, because his boss said he was cool?
reminder that Horus was the pure embodiment of the imperium spreading the truth doing E-dogs work immaculately, until he wasn't.

>>724838772
lords of silence, the whole quote is here
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Agri_World

>>724839353
I listened to the audiobooks and it was pretty good until Salvation's reach. The audiobook for that one is absolute dogshit.

>>724839353
Yeah, Arnogaur has to be one of my favorites. It's cool to see a World Eater working as a MP for the Blood Pact, and also seeing how the Blood Pact is organized

>>724839552
Shame salvations reach is one of the best ones

>>724824736
He's just a no frills space marine.

>>724839950
>Kills several hundred Tyranid Warriors and Thousand Son Terminators
>Fights Carnifexes and Helbrutes on foot
>Is personal friends with Marneus Calgar and Tigurius, and was the captain predating Cato Sicarius
>Before he became Captain he fought an entire squad of Howling Banshees and won
>Everyone loves and respects him including his enemies
If Titus was a normal Marine he would have gotten smeared during the prologue mission.

>>724840248
He’s just that guy

>>724790896
When a demon or some other chaos entity sets its sights on someone they arent so obvious. They often utilize the persons own inner doubts/concerns/cares/wants against them in sublte manipulation.

Horus' descent into chaos was literally fueled by his insecurities over being Warmaster and the doubts/unanswered questions left in the wake of his father's departure.

Fulgrim too, who many believed to be one of the most faithful, was slowly and subtly manipulated into falling to chaos by both Horus and a Daemon Sword.

Its never so blatant as "HEY KID WANNA SS??"

>>724840248
once again, he's just a no frills space marine. you point him at shit and he does it. he doesnt get uppity and smug, he's reverent of the emperor but understands dogma weighs you down. he's cool.

>>724792232
Living in a hiveworld is pretty fucking awful for like 99.9% of the populace anon

>>724811363
absolutely top tier post

>>724838160
Why'd you post India twice?

>>724838160
>Not ever agri-world is the same you retard. Some are shitholes where you and your decentents exist just to produce enough food and crops to meet the quotas meanwhile some agri-worlds are tame and chill.
This is a cope made up by Imperium fans who hate the actual Imperium

>>724839804
I could guess. The premise seemed very good. It's just that the narrator is different for salvation reach and he totally fucked up all the voices. Toby longworth did a phenomenal job for rest of the series.

>>724841060
An Ultramar agri-world goes from paradise planet where they send people to relax away their PTSD (and also turn the unfixables into servitors) to a plagued shithole over the course of the Plague Wars. We see it happen. The Imperium is fuckhuge and extends massive autonomy to its planets as long as tithes are paid on time. It would be unreasonable for there to be a standard for pretty much anything let alone entire planets.

>>724824736
Chill, Leandros.

>>724832995
what are they talking about?

>>724841695
Guilliman is proposing to split the legions and dorn is opposing it.

>>724841695
basically dorn is pissed and still a bit chaffed due to basically seeing billions of imperial subjects die, his father (sorta) die, and after enduring literal centuries in korne's mindrape desert, just for his shiny brother to come in and start making reforms, who wasn't even there at the fight when they needed him (albeit, this is due to warp fuckery that caused Guiltyman to never arrive until the battle was over), also saying they need to split the legions into chapters. Everyone is on edge and fucked up while Guilliman is trying to take the reins.

>>724841521
>This singular place which has always been referred to as unnaturally different from the rest of the Imperium means there's TOTALLY planets outside here exactly the same
Ultramar is allowed to flourish because it has lower Tithe rates because Roboute fucking Guilliman owns it.
Every other planet not owned by a fucking First Founding Chapter or existing within Sol itself is getting tithed to the point of industrial hell practices.

>>724842182
The existence of that singular place in the galaxy spanning empire filled with a gorillion unnamed and plot unimportant planet does indeed mean that there are others like it. "reee actually everywhere is shit because I say so!" is just your head canon.

>>724782536 (OP)
I wonder if worship of the emperor will eventually become a real life religion due to 40k's popularity.

I could post a better thread, but I wont.

>>724842445
It's fucking Ultramar
Home of the Ultramarines
It's an outright special and unique place outside the norm
Saying other places like it exist because it exists is not how that fucking works

>>724842703
We see a non-Ultramar agri-world in the Ravenor books. It's a low tech world where space huns wrangle space elephants across the rolling space plains and sell them to space circuses. Hardly an industrially polluted hellhole.
Agri-worlds, like all things in the Imperium range from "nice" to "not so bad all things considered" to "grimdark"
And shockingly, 40k stories tend to focus on the grimdark ones because that drives plot. But there is a galaxy of unimportant planets out there.

>>724839315
>dead pagan pantheon

Only most of them are dead. Khaine is still sort of alive, Isha is eating all the eggs, Ynnead is half born, and Senor' Honk is chilling in the webway with the murder clowns.

>>724841695
Arguing over which train is best.

>>724792742
>Archivum Sycorax
Best map fatshark has made for darktide. Easily.

>>724822371
He only loves the diseases you carry for him, anon. He doesn't love you for (You).

>>724843776
Only hedonists love nurgle, masochists love slaneesh, retards love khorne and autists love Tzeentch.

There's no flavor without sport!

>>724844223
>only autists love Tzeentch
>Magnus is his demon primarch

Yup, the math checks out.

>>724844320
Half of the Primarchs have the tism.

>>724844412
"the astartes transformation gives you autism" makes more sense the more you think about it

>>724844471
It does explain why they all are hyperfocused on a certain aspect of combat.