Thread 724783081

When did you break free from gacha "games"?

>>724783081 (OP)
When I realized I was habitually logging into 3 each day to do dailies when I stopped having fun with them a year+ ago. I wasn't even doing it to get currency to roll for new characters, it just became a daily routine to log in and do them

>>724783081 (OP)
When I realized that dailies suck balls and grinding in them really isn't fun

>>724783081 (OP)
never got into gacha games in the first place because i'm not brown

>>724783081 (OP)
when I realized I'm just forcing myself to play this shit

>>724783081 (OP)
I haven't
because they're fun ;)

>>724783081 (OP)
I would play gacha if they had weeklies instead and I could either chip away at them or binge them all at once.

I could never keep up more than two of these and ultimately have pulled back to just FGO and Pokemon TCG Pocket, both of which are very forgiving with their "dailies".

FGO doesn't have dailies besides small upgrade mat rewards unless you're at Ordeal Call which is 100+ hours of main story content and even then the Ordeal Call dailies have a window of three days and and are just doing three runs of a specific kind of node. Pokemon TCG Pocket dailies are literally open a pack and do a pick, which is like 30 seconds.

I don't see myself dropping either of these games. I still love FGO and am enjoying PTCGP.

At some point Genshin became boring and I quit

>got tired of the dogshit unskippable dialogue in genshin that dissuaded me from exploring the world

> got tired of the dungeon grind in limbus company

Ands that’s all the gacha I’ve played

>>724783656
name one thing fun about gacha
cunny doesn't count
story doesn't count
gameplay doesn't count

>>724783081 (OP)
if your dailies take more than 10 minutes, I will not play your game
simple as, as the kids would say

>>724783657
The point of dailies is to get you into a habit of logging in daily. Weeklies would mean you can in theory skip days which isn't good for the engagement metrics

gachafags never learn

>>724783081 (OP)
The only gacha I play is HSR and I can do my dailies in like a minute.

>>724783761
community
Nothing better than taking a screenshot of the latest XSSSRRR Super Limited Unit and posting "only took me a 10 roll, tee hee!"

>>724783761
Gambling

>>724783081 (OP)
When I started to closely track if I actually have fun while playing or if I just grind because I think it'll make the game fun at some point in the future. It was always the latter. Oh if I get this character, this weapon, these artifacts, surely it'll be fun then.

>>724783081 (OP)
I stopped playing Genshin very suddendly, I was playing it religiously for 2 years and then when I missed 1 event because I was focused on another game I just completely stopped playing it right then.
Another thing that made me stop playing the game is the artifact inventory limit and the fact there was no way to filter bad artificats in a time efficient way
Fuck FOMO mechanics

>>724783863
Are you actually having fun though? You're telling us it doesn't waste much of your time, but that is still a few minutes (including having to log on) where you feel compelled to log in as if it's some obligation.

>>724783687
time gates killed the fun in Inazuma, Sumeru was the last nail in the coffin

>>724783081 (OP)
What exactly are gacha. I may have never seen any outside of 4chan.

>>724784028
Psychological experiments to emotionally manipulate people into spending money for nothing and then train them to turn it into a habit.

>>724783761
Story and characters are the easy answer usually, but some of them do have a novel gameplay concept.

I enjoy FGO for the same reason I enjoy Pokemon post-game stuff. It's low intensity, turn based gameplay where having an ever increasing number of units allows you to create synergies and interactions that are novel with the systems in place. I like having a game like that to play while watching stuff or on my lunch break when working. I don't always want to play high action games.

You could argue similar concepts are delivered through non-gacha genres and you're correct, I love Disgaea for the same reason, but I would argue those are typically very finite games while gachas have the benefit of perpetual new content.

>>724783993
Yeah I'm having fun. I just started a few months ago and just finished the Penacony storyline. I've been pretty slow going with the content and not trying to bum rush it (and mixing it up with other vidya).

I just auto shit in granblue while watching youtube or playing windowed games.

>>724784028
Games where you have to roll a slot machine for a chance to unlock content like characters.

>>724784181
You can simply not spend money. Modern gachas are fèp friendly

>>724784181
You can simply not spend money. Modern gachas are f2p friendly

>>724784221
If you're not spending, money, you're spending time which is arguably more important.

>>724784202
What gacha has a good story? I know limbus does.

>>724783761
>cunny doesn't count
B-But... Cunny...

>>724783081 (OP)
I just play one (Genshin) because I love it, but I recognized istantly that playing another was not going to be good for my time, and it would have retroactively ruined also the genshin because I would have less time to enjoy the log in.

>>724784275
Yeah go open chests across the map for 5 hours for a 10 pull.

>>724784028
Gacha (as a genre) specifically refers to games designed around some sort of random-chance format of obtaining characters/vehicles/weapons or content where this is aspect is central to the games overall concept and there is an ability to pay for more rolls of the random-chance. They're typically free to play and for mobile phones, but these aren't strict rules.

The most common form of this is some sort of RPG-like gameplay mechanics where units are obtained via rolling for them with currency obtained from either playing or paying.

Note that a game simply having random chance elements to get characters does not make it gacha - Xenoblade 2 is not a gacha game, even if it has a gacha-like system in place for unlocking characters because those systems are not central to the experience and you aren't able to pay for them.

>>724784348
"Good story" is too nebulous a term for me to answer that, but I legitimately enjoy FGOs story and how it connects to established Type Moon lore and the concepts its built up, along with some of the individual chapters being emotional and entertaining to follow. I really hope we get a Lostbelt 6 anime some day and Lostbelt 7 was one of the coolest times a game has heavily built up a super boss and had the gameplay of fighting that superboss be just as absurd and I loved that.

>>724784290
You're spending time regardless of what you play though. No, the issue with Gatcha is that it connects money with gameplay so if the player doesn't play, they are losing money. So long as you can avoid this mental connection, it's just like any other game.

I only play gacha games, but I'll quit ones if i find the dailies boring.
how people play more than 1 or 2 I'll never know, the daily login system really irritates me.

>>724784696
There is a difference between spending your time having fun playing a game, and being forced to engage in unfun tasks in a manipulative "game" because progress and character acquisition is tied to chores.

I play a lot of them, but honestly they really don't take that much time and I still am reading 2-3 books a week and also having hours every day set aside to play new games.

For the full list since I'm sure people will call bullshit or otherwise.

Arknights
Honkai 3rd
Genshin
Blue Archive
Honkai Star Rail
ZZZ
Girls Frontline 2
Stella Sora

I added Stella Sora to the list but honestly, might drop this one. Girls Frontline 2 and ZZZ are also in the possible drop category. Arknights adding a decent sweep function saved me a lot of time in the morning.

>>724784551
>Go do something enjoyable while being rewarded for it
Don't mind if I do.

>>724784696
If you avoid that mental connection, then you'll just end up uninstalling. There's not a single person in the universe that played the shitty wuwa dice event for fun. These games are fundamentally unfun because that's part of the programming to make people spend.

>>724784221
lmao spic

>>724784921
Would you run around and open the chests if they didn't give you currency? You don't actually enjoy the activity, you just enjoy the currency. Then you buy characters that you use to open more chests.

>>724784894
Yeah if you neet maybe. Try again with a job

when I get a real job.

>>724783081 (OP)
I feel like im the only one who only plays 1 singular gacha(genshin) because everyone i keep seeing who plays gacha is mentaly ill and plays like 3 or 5 at the same time

>>724783081 (OP)
never did. Originally I stopped playing them to play the more advanced totally not loot gacha WoW since I decided to mythic raid for some reason. Mostly since I was playing three gachas, but the only problem is I quit two gachas I realized I actually enjoyed after I finally quit the third gacha that ceased to do anything impressive and refused to be worth the time investment considering how stingy it was. (From GFL1 and Arknights to playing Genshin on release but realizing I'd rather have more time for myself for real games on top of WoW, so I quit GFL1 and Arknights, and finally realized Genshin was dogshit much later.)

At some point I started playing NIKKE and then GFL2. I'm still on the edge of GFL2, I mean I like the whole GFL world but for the longest time it feels like the devs don't actually want you to play 2. Nikke is nice though. Maybe I'll get into Arknights Endfield whenever that supposedly comes out. I'm just sad I quit Arknights. I actually liked that game where more than I thought, but quitting a gacha is a death sentence since you can't just come back and expect to be powerful enough to do the content. Especially when by that point there's tons of units you'll need that powercreeped everyone else by a metric fuck ton, and the game gets balanced around that.

>>724783403
i love how easy it is to control humans like this. Literal low IQ cattle shit right here.

Keep playing gachas you faggots. Surely this is a smart thing to do lol

>>724785184
I do work a job, normal 40 hour work week. Not having to commute saves a lot of time though.

>>724784845
Except in your retarded division you fail to recognize players who like the gameplay so, while repetitive, daily mat farming isn't unfun. They're not going to listen to you because you sound like some retard talking about how terrible swimming is when he's never stepped into a pool.
>>724785047
You get closer to recognizing it, except that you fail to see that there must be something fun about the game to get players playing in the first place. The idea of 'This event sucks but I have to complete it otherwise it'll cost me $14.99' is exactly the mentality I'm talking about. I play ZZZ, but if I don't feel like doing dailies, I don't. If I don't like an event, I don't do it. It is possible.

>>724783081 (OP)
When I finally uninstalled Feh
Now I only play the gachas where I'm invested in the story

>>724783081 (OP)
if your iq is above 100 you either never start, or the feeling or "what the fuck am I doing with my time" sets in after about 10 daily logins and you quit. literally nothing meaningful about accumulating digital trash in a game.

>>724783761
It's free
it's like a lite version of handled game
Also I want to know the story of pron that I'm gooning.

still not buying into the psyop that people who post here actually play these kinds of games
not taking the ragebait

>>724783081 (OP)
only one i play is uma, on my phone, pretty fun
after reaching A rank though i feel like I finished the game

dailies and season passes are the biggest cancer in current multiplayer games
and games in general really, as they're slowly finding their way into single player games because live service faggotry
just let the industry collapse and burn already

>>724785694
>Not having to commute
So it's full time remote? But you're probably not working 40 hours then right? I have 3 days Home Office and also don't work as much on these days but more than one gacha still seems just too much

>>724786257
Dailies keep me engaged with the game. If it weren't for dailies I probably would forget about it fast.

>>724783081 (OP)
how to quit without feeling FOMO and sunk cost?

>>724783761
didn't say bussy doesn't count

There's a reason I dropped all gacha but hsr

>>724786295
Why would I not be working during my work hours? I can't understand what you are talking about.

>>724783081 (OP)
I play genshit on and off. I played chaos zero nightmare and had fun but reset account cause I didn't want to play it long term. I like jrpgs so I started e33 that I know is french but was influenced by them, which I kept putting off mostly cause of the annoying shilling but I'm having fun. If only I could quit genshit, I don't even try out that many new gacha anymore, I never touched the horse one.

>>724785239
I only play one too (star rail) because I'm old and like 4-niggas-in-a-row-taking-turns gameplay.

>>724786351
So you don't have fun with the game and require psychological tricks to engage with it. Why do you even want to play such a game? Go find something you enjoy

Gacha games are anti-vidya. Mobile and browser games basically proved to the entire gaming industry the ridiculous prices people are willing to pay for any microtransaction locked content. Thus retarded paywalls have been made for the littlest things in every aspect of a game no matter if it's f2p or p2p. Gacha games exacerbated this issue and they're inherently worse, because their design philosophies are awful to participate in for both free and paying users. You're not playing a game that respects your time, and they're all extremely effortless so even with all the absurd time and money spent, you, the end user, get nothing extra out of it.

genshin open world is better than outer worlds 2 which charged people 100 to play early , 70 to play 5 days late
outer worlds 2 open world is literally barren and worse than most indie games. thats the quality level of the "aaa" slop from devs these days.
just play casually and enjoy

>>724786463
Wanting to play either of these games is retarded, but at least the shit on the top pretend to be engaging. Shit Rail is only one peg above idle games.

>ITT people pretending FOMO and daily grind are unique to gacha
Literally AFK farming in DNA right now, those things are universal to all GAAS

>>724784181
If it's an experiment what's the thesis?

>>724786736
How's it going in 2015 where gacha is still .jpg browser games rather than 700 hour long open world action RPGs with the same graphics westerners charge 70 dollars for

>>724786792
Haven't played Outer Realm, but I have played Genshit and its open world is no better than a survival sandbox game's world (without the fun parts) that's filled with piss easy puzzles and monster camps. Go play an actual good open world game and compare them

>>724786960
Id rather pay for quality than "free" gachas where the majority of my playtime is running errands so I get currency to gamble with.

>>724786735
>psychological tricks to engage with it
What does that even mean? Whenever the game has you hooked, it used a "psychological trick" to do it, retard. There's no objective reason why you spent 100 hours staring at a screen, the devs played a trick and made staring at a screen for 100 hours fun for you. That's what games are

>>724783081 (OP)
Purely by the fact that there isn't one that appeals to me. But if there was a gacha with hot chicks in a grounded scifi or modern military setting with third person shooter combat i'd be fucked.

>>724786858
Yes we know, thanks to shit like gachas those manipulative mechanics are creeping into actual games because of how w effective they are to control the mind of the idiotic masses.

>>724786551
Many people working from home just play games during office hours cause it's not that supervised. Otherwise I can't see how you could play so many gachas

>>724787082
>for quality
What quality. What are those amazing open world action RPGs that all of you people are playing? Are you just replaying BotW and Skyrim over and over again for the past decade

>>724783081 (OP)
I tried a gacha for two days, then dropped it. If I wanted to do chores, I'd do them irl.

>>724787193
DNA is a warframe clone and warframe had those same manipulative mechanics a decade ago, retard. Were you upset about them then? No because it's not made in China is it

>>724787236
I spent maybe an hour a day on gachas. They are no where near as time consuming as you anons are trying to portray.

>>724786736
Your entire argument is predicated on an overly specific definition of "gameplay" that excludes half of the game. Amassing resources and acquiring characters is gameplay.

>>724786735
Let's say there's a gacha I like and I play the current patch's content. Now without dailies, I would have to wait for like one or two months. In the meantime I played other games and now that it's not in my mind all the time, I'll have a harder time to get into it again.
Ever watched a series for one season, then had something else to do and tried to get into it after a month again? Yeah you most likely won't do it cause it's more effort to get into it again instead of doing what you are doing right now

for me is mostly the unskippable dialogue and boring af events

>>724787247
>skyrim
>botw
>genshin
>amazing open world action RPG
Are you sure about that?

>>724787357
>I spend an hour a day doing chores I hate, but feel obligated to do because character progress is tied to them
It's sad how oblivious you are to how you're being manipulated

>>724786832
Star rail is engaging in its own genre. If you don't like turn-based rpgs that's an entire separate argument, but as far as turn-based rpgs go star rail is decent with great visuals and great soundtrack.

Auto is optional, and only replaces manual for menial boring repetitive tasks. I don't feel like doing it manually? Great, I put auto, finish my dailies or whatever I'm doing on the background and I'm done. Feel like playing a bit? I just do it manually, do some SU runs, try to clear some endgame content, do a bit of relic sorting. Might sound boring but for people like me who look at an excel spreadsheet and go "hell yeah" unironically it's fun.

>>724787082
Except gacha games have an incentive to create interesting errands and improve, since they could lose you anytime, unlike paid games, where they've already taken your money by the time you boot up the game and the contents are half-assed waste of time

>>724787529
Okay and so I play 1 hour of gacha a day and then 3-4 hours of normal games after work. Is getting an extra hour of normal games that amazing?

>>724787395
"Amassing resources" means farming (by definition a chore), and "acquiring characters" requires engaging in the gambling mode of the game (something that addictive, not fun). So you admit these so-called games aren't fun, they're elaborate skinner boxes

>>724787529
>I spend an hour a day doing chores I hate
Where exactly did you get this one from? It's not like we're discussing LoL or one of those other games that people only stick with out of spite and sunk cost.

>>724785558
i thought literally the same thing when those Facebook games were all the rage 15+ years ago. i never understood the appeal and with this modern gachashit they're obviously grooming Gen Z/a to become AuDHD sexless gambling addicts

>>724787720
>amassing resources is a chore and is always farming and is thus always bad
Are you retarded?
>acquiring characters is just gambling
If you leave something you fully intend to do up to chance, you're playing wrong. Judging whether you want this specific new unit or you want to save up for another is gameplay.

>>724783081 (OP)
I'm only playing Wuthering Waves right now. I'll install a new one every now and then but they don't stay in my rotation for long.

I'm broken and mentally ill.

>>724783081 (OP)
I fundamentally will never understand gacha. When I play a game, if it isn't fun, I stop playing. I knew someone who was addicted to a game and admitted to not actually enjoying it, and I still just don't get it. There's something deeply dehumanising about that kind of behaviour, same as gambling addicts, they are doing something objectively bad but they've been reduced to pathetic animals acting on instinct, pressing on a screen with vacant eyes. At least junkies and alcoholics at some point are getting something from it.

>>724783081 (OP)
... and this is just dailies. That's minimal and baseline. Zero progression. Thats the "You've obtained 22 out of 1000 pieces" .001 movement. Nothing new, nothing interesting has changed. Your account is in stasis if this is what you are doing everyday

God forbid you actually try to play any of these gacha and make real account progress. God, what a fucking chore.

>>724783879
That makes people so mad hahaha

>>724787395
The entire argument is that gacha games are inherently toxic to the entire industry as a whole as any developer can just look at gacha games and take after them just as they did with shit like Farmville and Candy Crush. In the cases of the most egregious offenders (which happen to be the most popular gachas with significant revenue streams) the user will be met with multiple methods of RNG acquisition. Characters, weapons and gear. On top of that those items may have systems where they get more powerful with more duplicates. The free user will never be able to acquire all of those without 1 in a trillion luck. Simultaneously the paying user can and will end up paying more than those around them to achieve said goal. The industry shifted a long time ago from allowing players to experience and gather all forms of anything they chose, to now locking everything behind expansions, DLC, battlepasses, and now this casino style of acquisition. The argument should be made that players have lost all sense of value in this world where every game, gacha or not, is taking way more from the player than should be reasonably asked for. None of this shit is worth the price, and gacha games take it a step further and tell the player that whether they pay or not they'll be met with a system that fucks them.

my life schedule got significantly improved once i quitted granblue fantasy 3 years ago. That one is also the last gacha i did play
though i have met a good chunk of decent people with the same hobbies through the game so it's probably not that bad

>>724788058
>When I play a game, if it isn't fun, I stop playing.
Same. I play two gachas. They're enjoyable.

>>724788058
Sunk cost fallacy is a bitch. It keeps you playing well past having fun.

>>724786026
>Also I want to know the story of pron that I'm gooning.
This is the best reason to play gacha. The 2 months I spent in Blue Archive was worth it for all the god-tier fap material it unlocked.

>The game is completely free!
>You just need to go do all these tasks you disliked for hours on end accruing premium currency so you can acquire the resources and characters paying players get far quicker
Sounds like you're instead paying with your free time, arguably the most valuable resource that even wealthy people treasure.

>>724788058
>When I play a game, if it isn't fun, I stop playing
Same.
I have fun with my gacha of choice.

I never really got into it, I just play the Dragon Quest ones in the very brief periods they're available in English before inevitably getting shuttered. I kind of miss Tact, though.

Gacha is for subhumans.

>>724788058
You can not enjoy something regularly, but the highs can be so high that it's worth it overall.

>>724783081 (OP)
playing a game like a job isn't fun.

That being said, Genshin was the only fun gacha I played, but I got bored of the combat.

>>724788183
If I try out a gacha and the systems are restrictive enough that I actually would need 1 in a trillion luck to access a decent portion of the game, I quit that gacha.

>>724786792
That's a really low bar.

>>724788594
I am white.

>>724788620
What highs? Getting the limited banner character on the first 10 pull? Getting lucky on your RNG gear stat rolls? As someone who isn't a gambling addict I don't get how that's enjoyable after a few seconds when the dopamine rush fades.

>>724788547
What gacha has dailies that are so far removed from its core gameplay that you can like the core gameplay enough to want to play it but still hate the dailies in particular? That sounds like an overly specific example.

>>724783081 (OP)
Had to play GF1 for close to 4 years before I realised I wasnt enjoying any part of it anymore, since then no gacha has managed to grap me

Literally 15 minutes after downloading one, I got turned off by all the menus and management aspect and the actual gameplay didn't look interesting so I dropped it

>>724783081 (OP)
I enjoy doing my dailies. If I don't feel like doing them for some reason, I just don't open the game. I always play at updates, read the story, watch youtube theories about it, to pull characters I like (which I plan my pulls for accordingly by saving currency) and then get to draw them and see other drawings of them as well, occasionally gooning. I also got to make a few new friends over it.

Doesn't feel like a waste of time. They're just expensive to play, but not more expensive than your average wow subscription (anyone who pays for pulls is a moron).

Also, I love Kafka.

>>724786463
>t. uncle

>>724786925
"There's a theoretical combination of dark patterns that makes people spend everything they own and earn on a 0 value product."

I want to get into Limbus, but I won't play a management sim and a deckbuilder to understand the lore. Too much investment to just play a fucking gacha.

>>724789012
And how do they test this with products that have value over 0?

>>724788962
>. If I don't feel like doing them for some reason, I just don't open the game.
Why lie? We all know anxiety kicks in if you feel you'll miss a day of logging in like a good addict.

>>724789058
its uber gay kpop fanbase china chink shit on top
genuinely most obnoxious fucking fanbase of all time, constantly try to insert themselves into anything and everything in gacha/anime space

>>724783081 (OP)
Factorio or Victoria 3, or any game that actually has mechanics unlike movie games that are just point and clicks.
Every single Asian friend I have is a slave to gacha, same problems with Amerindians and alcoholism.

>>724783081 (OP)
Gacha is just MMO for zoomers

>>724789174
Why would I lie? You don't actually miss that much by a skipping a day, at least not in honkai star rail. It's rare that I don't feel like logging in for 10 minutes to click on auto while I make coffee, but it has happened.
I have also just forgotten a few times.

>>724789295
MMOs are (well, were) community driven games. Gachas are just errand simulators for gambling addicts

>>724789353
He thinks the only people who could possibly want to play gacha must be addicts, and thus cannot reconcile non-addict behavior with gacha players.

>>724789391
isnt random loot drops from dungeons/raids the same thing?

>>724789391
Gacha are exactly as much "errand simulators" as MMOs were.

>>724783081 (OP)
When I played Pokemon Go for 15 minutes and thought it was shit. I'm too autistic to look past statistical probabilities to try and enjoy mediocre games I get cockblocked from playing 30 minutes in unless I pay to

>>724789621
without the multiplayer, the appeal is completely different

>>724789540
The classical reason why not is that there isn't an option to just pay ten more dollars for another shot at the loot you want, and the dungeon that enemy is in typically isn't going to become inaccessible on some pre-arranged date. The specific combination of being able to pay more to try more and a limited real-time window in which to try gives people the impression that the MTX is being pushed a lot harder than it is. I

>>724787618
It's the opposite, they have an incentive to be bad and to promise you that it'll get better if you do x or keep playing. Gacha are like abusive relationships, thats how they create a compulsion loop.

>>724788561
>The girl with the terminal withering disease who just wishes she could live a little longer
>The guy cursed by immortality who prays for death
>In a car
This is the last time Hoyo genuinely cooked with HSR, everything since this has been slop

>>724786463
what kind of retard sweats in GI or ZZZ?

>>724788547
The worst part is that getting that character doesn't make the game any more fun, so the loop repeats in hopes that the next character fixes everything

>>724789892
And what if I'm enjoying a gacha for how it is right now while also being interested in hypothetical future content?

i'm glad that the jap that finally got over with this genre and moved to real games
just leave these sloppas for chinks and korean

>>724790087
And the "loop" doesn't happen in the first place if the game is fun with or without its new content.
Don't play gachas where you hate the gameplay. Shouldn't be a hard proposition.

>>724790236
Even they're trying to transition into real video games seeing how saturated the gacha market is.

>>724790042
you're forced to if you don't have meta builds

>>724790098
You think you have fun but you don't. After every gacha session, write down how much fun you actually had in that session 1-10. Unless you're in the honeymoon phase, you'll notice that it'll be a 1-3 every day.

>>724790505
I've been playing the gachas I do for years and I routinely re-evaluate whether I'm having fun. It's usually around 5/10-6/10, jumping to 8 or 9 for true new content.

>>724790682
Then the question is if there's anything else you could do or play that'd be above 5-6

I got "traumatized" by realizing how much time I wasted in shadowverse (the old one, not WB) just grinding for rupees. One day I just realized I'll keep doing these soulless dailies for days on end, on this treadmill that refreshes every 2 months with every expac and mini-expac. I think since then I've been very wary about how much money and time a given gacha demands, and never stuck with one for long.

Now, I've reached a "local minimum" state where I play only one gacha, which I recognize as fulfilling my basic desire of collection (and looking at cute girls), without too much money or time investment. It helps that it has slay the spire gameplay, just transformed into score attack.

>>724790787
In the time I spend on gachas? Not really, no. It's half an hour to an hour that I'm going to be away from my computer anyway. And that completely sets aside that the enjoyment I get out of long-term resource accruement and management, or out of simply being "in tune" with a game that I'm going to be with for awhile, can't really be measured on a session by session basis.

>>724789892
Nobody believes promises, gachas die all the time, and I actually enjoy what I'm getting. You're delusional.

>>724791042
>the enjoyment I get out of long-term resource accruement and management, or out of simply being "in tune" with a game that I'm going to be with for awhile, can't really be measured on a session by session basis.
That's some crazy sunk cost mental gymnastics, the developers fucked your brain real good

>>724783081 (OP)
>that one gacha that takes 20 minutes
holy fuck do brownoids really?

>>724791370
>you're delusional
>t. gacha addict

>>724789058
>I want to play a gacha
>but I don't want to play the two real games in the series
lmao just end yourself anon

>>724783081 (OP)
step 1: never step money so you don't develop sunken cost
step 2: wait until the game reaches the enshittification stage
step 3: simply stop logging in

My gacher daily routine is when the new zzz patch comes out I play the game for like 3 hours a day for a week then after that I forget to do my dailies until 2 am everyday and a scramble to do them before bed

>>724791413
>you're brainfucked because you value things other than how much FUN you had THIS SESSION in a game
Sure, buddy.

>>724791486
>t. guy whose life mission is to tell people to stop enjoying the things they like

>>724791486
>you have to be an addict to play gachas
>"you're delusional"
>but you're an addict!!!
brownest post in the thread

>>724791625
I don't like management sims, I tried Lob Corp and it wasn't fun. I admit that I didn't play Library of Ruina though.

>>724783081 (OP)
When they killed Dragalia Lost. It wasn’t even a gacha game really, you got everything you wanted so easily. It actually ruined all other gachas for me.

>>724783081 (OP)
its crazy how ive had more fun just playing motorstorm arctic edge on ppsspp than any gacha game ive touched in the last 5 years
these games are a cancer

How come that gachacattle seem to be unable of making the mental connection between "I only log into this game to do my dailies" and "This game is garbage"?
For some reason the realisation never strikes them, that they're not even playing the game other than for daily checklists and then quit once they're done. Weird ass breed of human.

>>724783081 (OP)
only playing Uma on my phone on the way home from work. already slept on an event or two so i know my account will never be perfect so i'll keep enjoying it until my club kicks me out for not being active enough.

played Atelier Reseriana for a bit before and actually got duped to spending money on it. had a ton of rolls saved up and soon as they announced EOS in another month or two i instantly dropped it. good learning experience that gachas really aren't worth it.

>>724794868
Many of them have been raised on gaas games and see nothing abnormal about the gameplay loop being recycled chores

>>724794868
Work slaving culture in a capitalist world did this.

>>724783081 (OP)
Mindless farming everyday in FOMO games is not fun, whenever I feel the game attempts to create unhealthy addictions and habits on me, I quit.

I also find stupid that you have to spend hundreds of dollars to guarantee getting that character you want, I can buy so much shit on Steam with that same money, why pay so much for one fucking character?

Why do gachaniggers and asians like flipping through 100 different menus nested within each other? The actual fuck is wrong with them?

>>724795330
>why pay so much for one fucking character?
Because if you roll the character, the boring game you grind daily will be slightly MORE fun! You're going to play every day anyways, so why not make the daily grind enjoyable?

>>724794868
That's every MMO.

>>724783081 (OP)
>those loading times
HDD are ancient outdated tech, people need to stop installing games on them
probably could have shaved 5 minutes off that recording

By never falling for them in the first place. If you're spending any amount of time at all pulling for RNG jpegs of anime girls, you're no better than a monkey in a cage. You're just throwing your time away pressing the dopamine button for picture of female monkey. They're not even video games.

>>724797550
You are talking to group of indians/chinese who still run 1080/2080rtx GPUs (either public internet café users or their own home computers from 10-15 years ago) and refuse to upgrade and they still only have ps4 in their bedroom because of Bloodborne/Sekiro/Elden Ring autism and nintendo switch for their JRPGs and what not as well as their machine is being used to running most degen porn games. You aren't going to talk sense to these people anon. Just give up. This is the grim reality of these "gacha" gamers.

>>724795637
It would be more understandable if the price point was 25-45 for a character not x100 that.

>>724787720
>gambling is gameplay
Gachafags really are just the zoomer equivalent of boomers at casinos.

>>724783081 (OP)
im just playing blue archive cause it takes like 3-5 minutes to play
i dont even do the insane or difficult stuff
when i want to read stories i just read them on my own pace. I skip all of the event stories and read them later

>>724783081 (OP)
I never needed to break free because I'm not a weak "male" who succumbs to manipulation. Just don't give them any money and don't play the garbage they put out. It's that easy.

>>724798018
Have you taken a look at the indie vidya scene lately? It's like 90% roguelite deckbuilders. Gambling is gameplay.

>>724785558
Says man habitually spending time on /v/

>>724798260
>Paying to win access to gameplay is the same as RNG as the main resolution mechanic.
You are retarded.

>>724798260
I don't consider those video games either.

honest question
why even "play" gacha if it's just a daily chore simulator?
daily chores killed my interest in wow, but you're telling me that there is a game where most of the content is just full of them?
why subject yourself to this?

>>724783403
The strat is to ignore dailies. Come back for an update, complete events/story updates, and dump stamina. If there's a character you absolutely want then save until you have guarantee.

>>724798653
So no game is video game because each game has a degree of RNG to make it variable in experience? (increase replay-ability.)

>>724799098
There's a difference between having some RNG on top of a solid foundation to keep things interesting, and the entire foundation being RNG.

>>724783761
>story doesnt count
well fuck you then cause thats the best part about Buruaka

>>724799253
If the entire foundation is RNG (slots) then yes, that's bad gameplay wise (press roll to win), but usually those roguelites/deck/engine builders allow more strategic thinking through varied gameplay runs that allow you to overcome those obstacles by planning for them ahead of time.

>>724784202
What character is this?

Gacha would be fine if the rest of gaming was in a worse state, but it isn't

>>724799361
Roguelite deckbuilders also aren't structured to make you pay money to beat battles lol

>>724799453
>but it isn't

>>724799495
Yes gacha is worse than the rest of gaming

>>724785558
Did you reply to the wrong post or are you just a bitter mouthbreather ?
Rhetorical question ofc

>>724799535
>than the rest of gaming

>>724799453
Exactly the point I was making the difference between luck based games and gacha games. Luck can be a component with effective strategies to override the necessary reliance on luck to win.

>>724799573
you tried

>>724799620
>you
no u

>>724798918
Blue Archive story is fun thats about it.
I also like games were numbers go up.

>>724785558
hypnofags are technically the least delusional fetishtards. their fantasies can actually be fulfilled.

>>724783403
You had zero brain cells to begin with if you didnt notice the operant conditioning. MMOs have been doing this sociology bullshit for decades but fundamentally there is an actually game attached to it. Gacha is just an MMO minus any of the gameplay.

If a game has any kind of cash shop that is not just cosmetics I avoid it like the plague.
If a game has any kind of "draw" mechanic that requires a currency that can be bought with money I avoid it like the plague.

simple rules to live by

>>724799054
How do you save if you don't do dailies?

>>724783690
The only other thing keeping me in on the Limbus game, besides seeing where the story goes, is the fact that my dailies take a minute tops. I don't care if skipping is inefficient, that's turning ~20 minutes of dailies into a minute of button presses and moving on with my day.

>>724800146
Events and whatever end game modes that reset. Dailies add up over time, but in these games the bulk of your funds always comes from events and weeklies if you break them down.

>>724783081 (OP)
BA dailies take 5 minutes lol

>>724783081 (OP)
Earlier this year after playing Girls Frontline 2 for a few months. I miss the coom a little, but it feels nice not being a slave of the dailies.

>>724783081 (OP)
I only play Infinity Nikki to get my dress up fix.

>>724792271
If the thing you value is, as you say, "being in tune with the gacha game", then yeah you need help.

>>724783081 (OP)
Top 10 activities you can do to avoid playing gacha
1. Play real video games with actual gameplay
2. Learn Japanese or another foreign language
3. Start working on your own projects
4. Go out with friends
5. Watch a movie
6. Listen to music
7. Travel abroad
8. Eat healthy and exercise
9. Apply for a job
10. Masturbate

All objectively more productive and will make you happier

>>724802483
You put in odd things in this list. I've fixed it for you.

Top 10 activities you can do to avoid playing gacha
1. Play real video games with actual gameplay
2. Masturbate
3. Masturbate
4. Masturbate
5. Masturbate
6. Masturbate
7. Masturbate
8. Masturbate
9. Masturbate
10. Masturbate

Genshin & Wuwa are the only gacha I play, Japan for some reason is unable to make good open-world anime games.

>>724797217
Another terrible genre.

does this count as gacha?

>>724802483
Don't forget the most popular activity on /v/:
0. shitpost

>>724794365
>you got everything you wanted so easily
Well it probably helped that you don't want most of the characters. Seriously, Valentines ADDIS? Christmas VICTOR? Two of the biggest revenue events in a gacha and they give you two black boys and one of them is an old obese fag. The idiots at Cygays earned that EoS, fucking pyosg of the year of all years.

>>724804694
What about Zelda?

>>724784212
>pic
she looks like a shinkiro drawing

>>724783403
>habitually logging into 3 each day to do dailies
> I wasn't even doing it to get currency to roll for new characters, it just became a daily routine to log in and do them
Goyishe kop

I legitimately cannot think of a bigger cattleclass of humans than weebs.

>>724783081 (OP)
Hard to break free when you were never ensnared in the first place. Though I don't blame people for seeing shiny animations and huge booba and getting baited. It happens.

>>724783081 (OP)
I'm not brown so I have never played any gacha dogshit. Sorry

>>724785558
It's what people have been doing for hundreds of years.
>Wake up at exactly this time
>Go to school for 8 hours
>Sleep
>fast forward to graduation
>Wake up at exactly this time
>Go to work for 8 hours
>Sleep
>Repeat until death

Because I have 2 jobs as a male nurse and like the 15 minute gameplay loop

It's more more better for me if I have an afternoon of time when I was young to play through a single player game like dragon quest 11

>>724783761
So do you play anything? Do you u use a computation device, like a phone or computer other than work?

Really makes me think that those that hate gacha just hate live service games in general like MOBA or WoW

>>724792584
Just admit that your a fucking a fucking gambling addict with sunk cost fallacy and haven't played a REAL game in your life gacha slopper

>>724789295
>Gacha is just MMO for zoomers
And zoomers have subhuman taste and should be decimated and humiliated.

They need to play single player games before they can post on /v/

>>724797217
MMO is a shit genre and anti gaming

>>724802483
>8. Eat healthy and exercise
never seen a gachafag do this.

>>724813491
As a real gamer you need a healthy diet of monster, doritos, and domino's pizza

>>724783081 (OP)
Got a real job so now I grind excel sheets. The office waifus are a major downgrade

>>724785558
When I realized I was habitually browsing each day to shitpost when I stopped having fun with it a decade+ ago. I wasn't even doing it to get (you)s, it just became a daily routine to open the browser and bookmark

>>724802483
Exercise and eating healthy will not make you happier than playing some gacha slop. You are a psycho to even suggest that.

It feels good to be in shape but you will be bitching about counting your calories and other various set ups depending on how serious you take it. It is NOT enjoyable to work out. Its rigorous discipline and youll burn out if you approach it like it is enjoyable.