Thread 724815297

This is a paladin companion in a modern crpg

I wonder if her soles are bright pink or pale

too much fantasy for me

>>724815390
>knight people when fantasy needs to be a little more real

>>724815297 (OP)
looks different on my pc

>>724815297 (OP)
DnD is fucking dead.
It continues to crash year after year and will never recover.

>>724815297 (OP)
>black character in WotR is a thief who stole from a paladin and then caused the paladin to die and then stole the paladins entire life
>black companion in Rogue Trader is an incompetent criminal witch and the DLC black is a violent shitbull mommy whose shitbull constantly mauls random people and allies for no good reason but always takes the dogs side
yeah, i'm thinking Owlcat understands black people

>>724815586
Game is literally unplayable without this mod

Why do you guys care? You cant romance her.

>>724816159
Why would I want to romance her

>>724816159
She's the companion who you get earliest and as a result you're "forced" to use her for longer than any other character in the game so her being shit is especially noticeable.
Is it even possible to get rid of her before you reach the surface and the hotel?

>>724815297 (OP)
This is a murderous succubus in a modern crpg

>>724815297 (OP)
I will have you know, Paladindus have been a staple in fantasy RPGs for a very long time.

>>724816359
You can't get rid of any of the prologue characters before reaching the tavern (not hotel)

>>724815297 (OP)
>stole a Paladin's helmet, that caused them to die from a blow to the head
>never wears a helmet herself
I'm just saying, if she was completely helmeted and you never see her congoloid face that would make a lot more sense as a character.

>>724815297 (OP)
What an absolute retard she is

>>724816830
her backstory is retarded, why not use a spare helmet, why not just give Seelah money so she can eat and get your helmet back

>>724816359
She is different from the other companions because she comes from the tabletop game; Owlcat didn't create her.
She wasn't part of the Adventure Path book itself, like Arue, Lann and Wenduag, but she was present in the illustrations that showed the player characters following the adventure path. (And Lann and Wenduag were just minor NPC and Villain, respectively, not followers like Arue.)

>>724816359
>Noooo I have to have a black person in a videogame party this is hecking triggering and super serious guys this is like a war on my whiteness!
Not gonna lie, hard to take your bitching seriously, that shit is a problem that is within you and not the outside world.

>>724815849
>DnD is fucking dead.
It's a Pathfinder game, you fucking idiot.
Also she's a boring character but between that and Nenio the redditor from a race that i strongly suspects only exists to cater to furries I'll go for boring.

>World full of demons, devils, and magic.
>Can't accept a black person being a Paladin.

>>724817163
She is also one of the best party members simply by being a Paladin and being able to Smite Evil and Mark of Justice in a game where 90% of the enemies are Chaotic Evil.

>>724815586
This doesn't change her 30 year old black woman from Brooklyn voice

>>724816854
nooooooo you can't refuse to buy our games because you don't like that we trannyfied it

>>724817292
actually it does

>>724816359
>forced
Imagine being this much of a snowflake. I'm sorry you had to endure a degree of trauma that even our ancestors couldn't imagine. Do you pee in your pants whenever you see a black person irl?

>>724816359
Owlcat did this in Rogue Trader too, with Idira. Annoying token character forced on the party during the intro and you can't get rid of her until the lengthy introduction chapter is finally over.

Betting it'll be the same thing in Dark Heresy, based on the character roster they've shown.

>>724817276
Or you can also hire a Mercenary Paladin, call him Sir.Thundercock, and just use him instead.

>>724816927
She's no different at all though

>>724815297 (OP)
You know that the paladin in Diablo 2 is a nigger, right? Were you even born then?

>>724817327
what's it like being a adult virgin with no future prospects?

The part about Seelah that bothers me is her personality leans more towards chaotic good than Lawful Good like a Paladin should be, like she's friends with a thief and was one, etc.
Like I think if you tried to make the same decisions she does you'd change your alignment and lose your paladin powers.

>>724817563
So she doesn't have the least amount of story among all the companions? Good to know you played a different game than I did.

>>724817775
>Like I think if you tried to make the same decisions she does you'd change your alignment and lose your paladin powers.
No, not really. You know you can agree with her right? Try and see if your alignment changes

>724817087
>724817434
nigger and/or jeet
either way: eeeeeeeewwwwwwwww poopy skinned!!!

>>724817707
Saying this shit while you cry about video game characters on /v/, you tell us.

>>724817830
No? That would easily be Nenio

>>724815586
AI SLOP

>>724815297 (OP)
There isn't even a good joke to be made here.

>>724817846
Kek I just made your pee dribble out

>>724817775
I suspect her personality serves to exemplify that not all Paladins are people who avoid having fun and who will punish you just because you jaywalk.
This used to be a real problem in tabletop games, with people interpreting Paladins as hallway monitors who wouldn't allow other party members to have fun because "My lawful nature says that having fun is a sin! Want to invade the mansion of mayor at night because you think he is working with the villain? NAY!".

>>724817449
it's really a shame that you are forced to spend 30 minutes of a 100+ hour game with a companion you don't enjoy

>>724815297 (OP)
Why are incels too retarded to make videogames?

>>724817850
who's crying about a black character now?
why gaslight?

>>724818164
I know this is a bait thread, but how a game starts does set the tone for the rest of it and informs where development priorities lay. Token characters are shallow and do a disservice to the races they're meant to represent, and while I admit that's not why most people find them annoying, it is disingenuous to defend the practice.

>>724817087
You know, there were some radical cultural critics who, in their times considered that seeking solace from the alienation wrought on you by the modern world through the medium of mass culture was to put it academically: "some gay-ass shit for nazi pissboys" and that "if they weren't pussies they would go out there and stop feeling threatened by pixels on a screen"
I'd say 1 thread out of 3 on /v/ is in furtherance to the arguments put forward by the frankfurt school lads.

>>724817327
Nigger please, don't pretend you had any interest in this kind of game to begin with. You're literally only here to whine about it having a black person in it.

>>724818280
>how a game starts does set the tone for the rest of it
yeah because of all the dark eldar, necrons, and genestealers in the prologue really set the whole tone

>>724818334
Maybe you need to lay of the politics bullshit buddy

>>724815297 (OP)
>in a modern crpg
This character was created in 2007.

>>724815297 (OP)
why is "inclusiveness" always putting black people in white settings but never white people in black settings

>>724818909
If you're genuinely asking for white people in black settings that's not something that doesn't exist so don't worry, but you don't really care about that I'd wager.

>>724818164
I wish the prologue was only 30 minutes, it's 2 hours at least assuming you actually read

>>724819003
skill issue

I realize this is /v/ and we're talking about a black woman so everyone is going to make it about being black and being a woman, but I think it's important to keep in mind that Seelah is such a bad character with a stupid backstory and annoying voice who acts like a retard but not in an endearing way, so even if she was a white man the character would still be shit

>>724818909
What's a Black setting?

>>724815297 (OP)
Not the aesthetic I'm into. I prefer this for female paladin.

I see no people complaining about Camellia being mandatory...
Weird.

>>724815297 (OP)
She's a nice lady once you get to know her. A bit of a dumbass with a heart of gold, trying to do her best to make the world a little better. I found her a good fit for a default good guy playthrough.

>>724819323
Paladins in da hood. Woop woop

By the holy light of GAWHD shall Shawniqua get you dem programs! She knows a cleric down at the county office that can get you hooked up.

>>724819389
Because she isn't

>>724819389
who?

>>724819389
I don't like her face.

>>724818713
no thank you "buddy", people like OP and half of this thread made the point for me by being alienated wretches. I'd say it's because you are removed from political life (which is not the flacid spectacle of liberal democracy that you think is the alpha and omega of politic) that this kind of discussion emerge. Because you've intellectually retreated towards a cultural commodity as a chanel for what remains of your desire for a political life. You say lay-off the politic and all I have to say is that I've not yet completely given up on being human (ie: "a political animal per Aristotle) as opposed to you, apparently.

>>724819594
Like Seelah, she is mandatory for the Prologue.

>>724815297 (OP)
No, that's a cavalier companion.
>he doesn't want two tanks for the price of one

>>724817705
>unc’s nostalgic gambling addiction simulator 2
lmao dude thought he had a point huh?

>>724815297 (OP)
>>724819389
Doesn't matter to me, they are both benchwarmers post prologue.

>>724819284
It sort of goes hand in hand though. The same type of writers that decide to make the paladin a black woman are typically the ones who write incredibly cloying or contrived backstories and insufferable dialog.

But yes you're right, there have been plenty of badly written paladins that have been neither black nor female. But that added layer of "look how different/empowering my character is!" does make it just that much more irritating when it ISN'T done well. Which, again, is all too often the case.

i gotta play this game but its such a time investment I got not far when I played it the first time several years ago but it takes me so long to decide what to make

>>724820048
it's unbearably slow pacing. The first act of the game is some 30 hour long bullshit before the journey really gets it going

>>724817973
Is it? I couldn't tell this time

>>724815586
legitimate downgrade
>i hate naggers!
>give me the most impossibly fucking generic focus-tested lady knight you've ever seen
>also AI sloppa

>>724820048
I don't recommend this game for anyone who is a beginner in CRPGs for that reason. There's too much to decide and too many systems to learn. It's really not beginner-friendly.
People should try something like Divinity 2 first.

>>724820280
This complain always pops up whenever someone posts that portrait and it's really funny because it can be applied to the original art too, Seelah is just a generic knight (but black) and the artwork is so terrible it genuinely looks like AI, the more you look at it the worse it looks

And then there's me, who couldn't even tell that pic was AI genned

>>724819889
You mean he didn't?
>Your bullshit is manufactures moral hystieria over inane crap that means fucking nothing and the points you cry your eyes out over isn't even a new thing
Seems pretty relevant to me

>>724820357
I don't think anybody else is mistaking the black woman art for AI, doesn't have the indistinct "softness" of AI art or confusion on the background or mismatched armor details.

>>724820581
Look closely at her sheath and her cape

>>724820280
I for one welcome our new AI overlords.

>>724815586
Wait, I think I'm starting to see it. The belt thingy right?

>>724820313
O I'm not new really I beat the first pathfinder on challenging, have done baldurs gate 1+2 and I understand the system I'm just autistic and cannot make decisions

Despite the achievement there I got up to I think not too long after recruiting Arueshalae? So I did see some of the game at least I just spent 100 hours picking a character to make first before making a human fighter

>>724817167
Correct.
>fully loaded 5 series.png

>>724818707
>dark eldar, necrons, and genestealers in the prologue
Thanks for letting us know you didn't play the game, makes sense

>>724819323
Detroit

>>724820280
>focus-tested lady knight
A focus-test would produce a better portrait, the wokeless wrath mod has good intentions on the surface but the execution is just culture-war bait. Its unfortunate there's a lot of mods like this, that could actually be good mods if the modders weren't just making them to bait a reaction.

>>724821103
>charge + pounce
Terrifying

>>724821165
The subject matter in and of itself kind-of ensures nobody's gonna really be interested in it but culture war baiters

>>724818707
That has nothing to do with setting the tone

>>724821468
Well that's the point of the unavoidable token character in the first place. Its meant to get a reaction, and the reaction is meant to get a reaction.

This is inherently why these are bad characters and why people don't like them, outside of 'culture warriors' and their baiters. No one wants an atmosphere that's constantly orbiting these topics.

As an example, I very rarely see anyone complain about Ekundayo from Kingmaker. Some sure but never like with Seelah or Idira.

>>724822708
>Ekundayo
still in my S tier for video game negroes

>>724823649
Exactly. If they were interested in writing Seelah cool or hot they would, but that's not the intention of that character. Ekun meanwhile is written to be an actual character and ends up liked.

>I hate all black people
Okay but why did this need to be a thread?

>>724820759
And the hair that loops.
And the lack of symmetry on the pauldrons and gauntlets.
And the lighting that doesn’t stay consistent in which direction it’s coming from.

>>724819389
she isn't helpful at all to be honest, she's a liability

I'm more offended by the unrealistic bulky armor and weapons than the skin color desu.
Warhammer and Warcraft ruined fantasy art. I'm not a realism fag but its a slippery slope where everything looks cartoonish and silly and eventually you end up with every element of the game looking like overdesigned garbage. Every weapon glows like a light sabre. Spells become flashy RTX enabled technicolor gas clouds and even melee classes have stupid AoE abilities that makes combat encounters an unreadale retarded rainbow of bullshit.
Nothing is special or interesting anymore.

>>724815297 (OP)
This is a druid companion in a modern pseud-crpg

>>724823740
You're a retard, Seelah is a companion because this is a story where the church of Iomedae leads a crusade to fight against demons, OF COURSE they're going to use the iconic paladin character that worships Iomedae as a companion, there is nothing "token" about her, she's just as much as a character as Ekundayo

>>724817775
Paladins having to be exclusively lawful good even when following a chaotic deity like desna was always stupid though

>>724824331
Chaotic deities don't have paladins

>>724824331
Do Paladins of Desna exist in the tabletop? You can't make one in the games.

>>724816419
>This is a murderous succubus in a modern crpg
Isn't the whole purpose of the succubus to seduce men and then eat their souls? I would imagine that works better if she looks appealing and not some ugly ass demon with mouth full of sharp teeth.

>>724824306
So they cherry picked the one black paladin from the AP to fit the token role. Maybe if you played the game in an ESL translation you didn't notice her voice acting is also meant to drive home the feeling that she's a modern day black woman.

>>724824648
>So they cherry picked the one black paladin from the AP
No, Pathfinder games have iconics as companions, Seelah is the most natural fit for a campaign like this
>you didn't notice her voice acting
Bad voice acting doesn't suddenly make her token
There is nothing token about her, she's in because she's a paladin of Iomedae and her story has absolutely nothing to do with her race, but with her competence and beliefs as a paladin

>>724824923
That's all well and good but they still frontloaded her in an unskippable segment of the game without being able to drop her from the party without using mods. They could've put the iconic paladin of Iomedae in later, like they did with Sosiel for instance, who is also seldomly complained about because he isn't forced into the party right out of the gate.

>>724825094
It's literally just the prologue, the shortest part of the game, and none of the prologue characters can be dismissed

>>724825156
It is over-long actually, the entire cave system, mongrel village, and secret underground temple is immediately followed up by a slog though a fortress in the city before finally getting to the tavern. WotR is the most dungeon-crawl heavy of Owlcat's games and the prologue is no exception, even if it isn't as long as the Midnight Fane>Ivory Sanctum segment.

>>724825156
you can kill Seelah in act 3 if you take her to the Molten Scar and try to kill Jannah

>>724825580
And you can also kill her as a demon or swarm, funnily enough the previous iconic (Amiri) could never die, and even if you fucked up her questline she simply left your party in the final dungeon. But you never see anyone complain about that.

>>724815297 (OP)
Wow I didn't know that, I only play post-modern games myself

Can thin-skinned American faggots just have your civil war already and stop posting retarded bullshit?

>>724815297 (OP)
she looks cute and strong
i'd wife her

>>724820909
If it helps you, try to choose a thematic build. Like Cleric+Angel, or something like that.

>>724825668
Man I forgot about Amiri's existence, I never used that bitch.

>>724825580
>>724825668
Are these bot responses? Or just ESLs?
I don't like Seelah either but this seems to miss the context pretty hard.

>>724825912
Shit taste

>>724817167
Racists have the abstraction capabilities of a dog

>>724824280
I should hire mike Pollock and halsin's VA to dub a raunchy erotic novel between Ulbrig and Halsin

>>724820280
If I could pick between ai robots or blacks I'd pick the robots
The decrease in crime would be outstanding

>>724815297 (OP)

she would be fine if her head wasn't so cartoonishly wide goddamn what the fuck

>>724826906
i think there was a bullet with "uwu" on it about this recently

>>724815297 (OP)
i'm just tired