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Anonymous No.724842468 [Report] >>724842565 >>724842732 >>724843274 >>724843413 >>724843604 >>724844510 >>724845198 >>724848259 >>724848491 >>724849386 >>724851716 >>724855958 >>724857273 >>724861728 >>724863441 >>724864629 >>724865253 >>724865804 >>724866770
Why was this character considered so controversial in the gaming community, enough to actually kill an entire series?
Anonymous No.724842565 [Report]
>>724842468 (OP)
Uggy
Anonymous No.724842641 [Report]
She wasn’t her design is just ugly and her gameplay segments are boring and pointless to the overall story. Shes a gigantic girlfailure who couldn’t stop a genderswapped villain Crash has beaten in his own timeline. That right there highlights how incompetent she is.
Anonymous No.724842732 [Report] >>724844624
>>724842468 (OP)
Because she was a message from the developers to the players that even our old, beloved classics are not safe from their modern day bullshit, they quite literally killed off the original Tawna to replace her with a reddit girl-boss dyke.
Anonymous No.724843274 [Report]
>>724842468 (OP)
Now post her ass
Anonymous No.724843413 [Report] >>724857273
>>724842468 (OP)
No, it's just no one really cared about a Crash sequel in 202x. Nostalgiafags loved the remake of the first three, but Crash has done his time. Even if it was normal Tawna probably would have only had like 2% more sales. But considering she's the only thing I really ever see talked about the game, maybe she has led to more sales since the game actually gets discussed once in a blue moon.
Anonymous No.724843559 [Report] >>724843738
Anonymous No.724843604 [Report] >>724843870 >>724860924
>>724842468 (OP)
this feels vaguely similar to fags who blame Krystal for killing star fox
Anonymous No.724843662 [Report] >>724845107
tawna bandicoot sex with human men
Anonymous No.724843738 [Report] >>724848475
>>724843559
i actually like her, especially since she's just an alternate version. obviously inspired by 80s action schlock. not like they retcon'd actual tawna into her
Anonymous No.724843870 [Report] >>724844528 >>724848004 >>724848603 >>724865804 >>724867585
>>724843604
That's the thing, the people who hate her for "killing the game" probably never played the game and are only parroting whatever the loudest critique here is. No it wasn't a bad game because of Tawna. It was bad because it didn't value the players time, it had tons of pointless backtracking and repetitive gameplay with little reward. And even for that, it was still good, not great, but good.
Anonymous No.724844510 [Report] >>724848110
>>724842468 (OP)
I don't think she was, I don't think the normalfag portion of the audience really cared one way or the other.

I remember Oney replied to her announcement from the Crash twitter account with something to the effect of "Again? Sigh..." presumably calling out the tough grrl makeover, and got a bunch of updoots. That said, she's got more than 50% as much artwork as OG Tawna on e621 and the various other booru sites after having only existed for like 1/5th the length of time, so obviously a bunch of people like her or at least don't mind her.
Anonymous No.724844528 [Report]
>>724843870
You had me until you said Crash 4 was good. Fucking shills for a franchise killer 5 years later…
Anonymous No.724844624 [Report] >>724847801
>>724842732
>they quite literally killed off the original Tawna
they did not kill tawna
>to replace her
they did not replace tawna
>with a reddit girl-boss dyke.
she isn't a reddit girl-boss dyke
Anonymous No.724845107 [Report] >>724845257
>>724843662
built for bhc
Anonymous No.724845198 [Report] >>724848132
>>724842468 (OP)
One of the most blatant examples of "THIS WOMAN IS TOO SEXY! CHANGE IT!"
turning her into Miss GURL POWER with a weak-ass "alternate universe" justification. Where's the "universe" where she's a double bimbo with even bigger tits? Telling we didn't find that one, huh?
Anonymous No.724845257 [Report]
>>724845107
post the version where she shits her pants
Anonymous No.724845509 [Report] >>724847424 >>724853918
Anonymous No.724847424 [Report]
>>724845509
kek
Anonymous No.724847801 [Report]
>>724844624
Objectively false on all three.
Anonymous No.724848004 [Report] >>724848263 >>724863192
>>724843870
Dude, the game did bad cause no one bought it AT ALL, If people didn't turn this game down for surface level observations it might have sold decently.
Anonymous No.724848024 [Report]
Punk girls with blue-dyed hair are hot and are an established sister fetish of bimbos. You can’t claim pozzed feminist propaganda just because they put a punk girl in the game. That said, I agree that Tawna was shafted, but she was shafted 15 years before this game shipped because the devs were embarrassed that they put their fetish in the game.
Anonymous No.724848110 [Report]
>>724844510
People stopped drawing her shortly after the game came out and went back to regular Tawna. She's already had her spike.
Anonymous No.724848132 [Report] >>724849272
>>724845198
/v/ has no authority on what constitutes a girl boss when fuckers here were completely indignant about N. Sane taking away her PS1 Jessica Rabbit titties and daring to show her resist capture in the intro cutscene instead of just letting herself be grabbed. Then 4 came out and suddenly all that got memory-holed and N. Sane/NF Tawna was a perfect demure maiden. Her boobs are literally bigger in 4, plus she has an ass. I'd post that comparison of the two in-game models if I had it, I'm sure somebody else will if the thread goes on.
Anonymous No.724848259 [Report] >>724849579
>>724842468 (OP)
Why did she looks so human? It's kind a freaky.
Especially because Crash and Coco are MORE cartoony in this game. It has this weird Space Jam effect but there's no real reason for it.
Anonymous No.724848263 [Report]
>>724848004
It's actually worse than that.
They sent it out to people that they were baiting with shill food for months, DIDN'T tell them they were not allowed to say it was bad, and didn't sign them on to a contract to promote the game when it actually came out.
People genuinely just did not like this game based on the game itself.
Anonymous No.724848475 [Report]
It was huge whiplash. Nitro Fuel was appealing to furry waifufags hard, then they made Coco a toddler and Tawna into... whatever that is.
>>724843738
The very next game treated her as the default Tawna.
Anonymous No.724848491 [Report]
>>724842468 (OP)
The game died because the artstyle died, crash was interesting because it had Roger Rabbit esque 90s cartoon aesthetics
Just look at the background of that picture, it looks more like Ratchet & Crank than Crash's future levels, cartoon platformers that used to try to distinguish each other is now amalgamating into one
She contributed to the death of the artstyle but she was not a sole catalyst
Anonymous No.724848603 [Report]
>>724843870
Red flags are a sign of a deeper rot.
Anonymous No.724849272 [Report] >>724859157
>>724848132
Man, at least she was still feminine in the trilogy. I didn't bitch about her throwing a punch at motherfuckers (but we all know why they showed it). It's all relative, and it was definitely worse when IAT hit. I don't think you can make an argument that it wasn't when trilogy still liked Crash and was his girlfriend, not some STRONG INDEPENDANT WOMYN WHO DON'T NEED NO CRASH.
Anonymous No.724849386 [Report]
>>724842468 (OP)
Dunno, but my far-left troll dad winced at the non-binary bat.
Anonymous No.724849579 [Report]
>>724848259
some dipshit was probably self inserting.
Anonymous No.724851716 [Report]
>>724842468 (OP)
I could save her
Anonymous No.724851829 [Report] >>724853072
It’s bad enough she looks like shit but her gameplay amounted to crash and coco but worse. She has no business being in the game at all.
Anonymous No.724853072 [Report]
>>724851829
>Grapple hook at fixed points

Were they thinking at all?
Anonymous No.724853369 [Report]
nu tawna is hotter to draw getting pounded by BHC, no contest
Anonymous No.724853746 [Report] >>724853918 >>724854110
Remove N. Verted mode and the characters aside from Crash/Coco and you have probably one of the best Crash games since the PS1 days. They shot themselves in the foot so badly it isn't even funny. I got 106% yesterday and I enjoyed the vast majority of the Crash sections, even the bullshit crates weren't too bad when you figured out how the game tries to screw you.
Anonymous No.724853909 [Report]
there's way more porn of this version of her than the original lol
Anonymous No.724853918 [Report]
>>724853746
Please refer to >>724845509
Anonymous No.724854110 [Report] >>724859008 >>724860735
>>724853746
Ok now also remove:
>the shittier artstyle
>the mediocre humor like selfcest and NTR jokes
>worse controls, lack of powers like Crash Dash
>Dev Relics
Anonymous No.724855504 [Report]
because she's an ugly whore with Sombra hair and cringey dialogue
Anonymous No.724855958 [Report]
>>724842468 (OP)
>dyke sideshave
This alone signals enough redflags about your product. Especially when an old character suddenly has it.
Anonymous No.724857273 [Report] >>724862153
>>724842468 (OP)
She didn't kill Crash as a franchise but she was completely unmemorable and just a woke version of a character most people have never cared much about since she was only relevant in the very first game. Her gameplay sections were the same as Crash/Coco sections but with a few gimmicks and she had little impact on the story. Dingodile and especially Cortex were more interesting and should have had more levels and developed mechanics replacing her
>>724843413
Nah, people wanted Crash and thinking otherwise is retarded. The issue was that the TfB devs were retarded. They didn't get that classic Crash was difficult but appealing to both kids and adults and made a game which to really enjoy requires a skill level far superior to ANY other Crash game to the point of being pretty much Kaizo in disguise in the later stages like the Coco flashback tapes. New players didn't come because the game wasn't marketed or even designed with them in mind and oldfags played it and 70% got tired when completing the game became an utter chore of replaying stages close to hundreds of times. It also lacked a lot of things people expected, for instance it had really awful humor when classic Crash is quite funny and Twinsanity established a new high and the N Verted mode was just "beat the game again but with a shitty filter over it"
Anonymous No.724859008 [Report]
>>724854110
Wait there's NTR jokes? Don't recall that
Anonymous No.724859157 [Report] >>724860814
>>724849272
Wasn't Alternate Twana's Crash, dead?
Anonymous No.724860735 [Report]
>>724854110
I liked the triple spin, it let you keep momentum on ground and in air. I wish they gave you it halfway through the game or something instead of leaving it to the end. More fun than just holding R2.
Anonymous No.724860814 [Report]
>>724859157
Yeah that was the whole reason she went around helping them out. It's a cool idea, just a shame her playstyle was so fucking dull. Nina did the grappling hook thing in Twinsanity much better.
Anonymous No.724860924 [Report]
>>724843604
Krystal was vindicated because the first game without her in it sold the worst of the whole series and killed off Star Fox completely. There has been no post-Tawna Crash game to prove whether it was her or not that drove players away. In fact, the last Crash game was that fucking weird MOBA shit that tried to bring back her “classic” design (read: her Crash 4 proportions with her original clothes) and the game flopped horribly.
Anonymous No.724861728 [Report]
>>724842468 (OP)
>blue hair
>piercings
>furry
I don't want to see a millennial's self-insert in my vidya
Anonymous No.724862153 [Report] >>724864918
>>724857273
To add a few more things:
Crash 4 also completely lost any sort of ambience and world design the classic games had. Do you like the mixture of realism and cartoon that the classic trilogy had, with cool references to Cortex or the natives or Dingodile or whatever in the background if you find them? Maybe you like Wrath of Cortex's detailed wonderlands which lack some of the charm but add some nice details? Or maybe you like Twinsanity's batshit insane locales? Too fucking bad, you get generic cartoon worlds which would fit in any other non-Crash cartoon platformer. Generic Mad Max parody, generic pirate world which lacks the coolness factor the Coco jetski levels had (and those were some of the worse levels in Warped), generic kawaii anime world which looks completely out of place, generic swamp world with only one cool Mardi Gras level, generic ice world, generic alien world which doesn't look at all like CTR's style, generic future world, and an N. Sanity Island and Cortex Castle that don't look like either. The enemies are generic humanoids or animals or sometimes robots, none of which look like Cortex creations or anything that fits Crash's world. Forget about the N. Sanity tribal natives or the locked prisoners in Cortex's Castle, those aren't back either.
If you like the music in any of the classic games, too fucking bad. No atmospheric whimsy like the Josh Mancell tracks, no big silliness like the WoC ones or acapella lunacy like in Twinsanity. You get generic ass tracks with catchy rhythms but little depth
And with Crash, they fumbled his character. Classic Crash was obviously crazy and a bit daft but he was also a badass who saved his friends, had a fucking bazooka and rode on bikes like a champ. No badass Crash here, only Coco gets to be a bit intelligent, he's just a total fucking retard all the way through
Anonymous No.724863192 [Report]
>>724848004
It has 5 millions sales, dumbfagggot.
Anonymous No.724863441 [Report] >>724864956
>>724842468 (OP)

Because NuTawna didn’t kill Crash 4. That’s just a /v/ echo chamber talking point.


Crash 4 underperformed because Activision wanted to sell the game at $60 when the previous titles were sold at budget prices, completely overestimating the amount of people who give a shit about Crash outside of the originals. Then they let Team Rumble happen which literally no one wanted.
Anonymous No.724864629 [Report]
>>724842468 (OP)
>literal dyke with dyke hair
>strunk indapendynt wymmen who dun nyd no menz
>turns crash, the reason she grew strong and was able to endure the harshness of reality, away
>does not act like original tawna at all
she's not tawna. she's probably not even a woman
Anonymous No.724864918 [Report]
>>724862153
crash is both. he's a hopeless bumbling moron who'd inadvertently unplug cortex's doomsday weapon as it's about to fire to plug in the TV but he gets to look cool once in a while doing shit like flying a war plane
Anonymous No.724864956 [Report] >>724865598
>>724863441
>That’s just a /v/ echo chamber talking point.
It's not even a /v/ talking point. Yeah sure a lot of the underlying issues can be seen through her but to say that Tawna is in particular the issue is not at all what people say about It's about Time
Anonymous No.724865253 [Report]
>>724842468 (OP)
If she was just a new character and not a replacement for Tawna she really wouldnt have been controversial at all. I actually like her design better than OG Tawna desu.
Anonymous No.724865598 [Report] >>724867004
>>724864956
Reminds me I've never seen Dingodile called a fetish oc outside of /v/
Anonymous No.724865804 [Report] >>724866605
>>724842468 (OP)
The old designs of nuTawna before the troon self inserted OC his design into the game were way more fun. Tawna being a sort of Laura Croft/Indiana Jones character fit the legacy aesthetic way better than what we got.

That paired with the sequel being god awful, with the general style of everything that made the original trilogy charming being uyterly flanderized, killed the hype train dead in its tracks.

The complaints of NST told the developers exactly what people wanted. They wanted more Crash as they remembered it, with tight, punchy, short levels, that rewarded expert timing and creative emergent gameplay.

What we got instead is more of everything everybody who was loyal to the series, that would have made the sequels financially solvent, didnt want. Long, drawn out levels, boring, uninspired, in your face obnoxiously ugly designs, so much fucking thinly coded fetish shit holy fuck, god damn backtracking up the ass, punishing as all fuck level design, time trials that demanded computer perfect play, and all potential fun completely sucked out of every original idea the developers had.

Crash 4 could have been a success if it had nuTawna sections, assuming they didn't adopt her rainbow freak design, kept to the minimum, in line with the Coco sections of the trilogy, and tightened up the game. Fuck, it should have had half thd budget it had and at best, mafe it a 8 hour game at most. People would have tripped over themselves to praise it.

>>724843870
Ywnbaw.
Anonymous No.724866605 [Report] >>724869040
>>724865804
they also made coco as unsexy and unappealing as possible, giving her an apple head and a triangular body with wacky proportions. she's far uglier in 4 than in n. sane trilogy
Anonymous No.724866770 [Report] >>724866823
>>724842468 (OP)
People have fatigue with that sort of design and see it and automatically assume things about the game.

Crash 4 is also just very, very bland.
Anonymous No.724866823 [Report] >>724867078
>>724866770
nah the game does have content. it's just padded a tad too much
Anonymous No.724867004 [Report]
>>724865598
You dont see people saying they have black or LGTBQ fatigue outside of 4chan but everyone knows it exists.
Anonymous No.724867078 [Report]
>>724866823
No I think it plays fine and is a decent enough experience while going through it.
But it doesn't really innovate on anything.

All of the Mask abilities are context sensitive.
All of the powers Tauna has are context sensitive
Dingodile is a bit better, Cortex is a bit worse.

Its just a very, very tame experience. Playing it safe at almost every turn, and never really wows you with anything.
Anonymous No.724867585 [Report]
>>724843870
Well, yea, I didnt play the game because I saw what they did with a design that was indicative of every other time it shows up and is a big warning sign that the game is made by people trying to "fix" an IP they got a hold of. There was nothing wrong with Tawna, and the fact they saw it as a problem to fix says more than enough for the direction of the game and IP. They made her Poochie.

Im not even interested in the show because I know its going to be this version of Crash, and I fully expect Tawna to be the protagonist now.
Anonymous No.724869040 [Report]
>>724866605
Coco is a victim of what they did to Crash, with is radically fuck with the art style, which just fucking clashes with nuTawna. But this was a problem with even NST.

TFB really just had no fucking idea what made the originall so viaually appealing but tbf, Naughty Dog did as well and struggled for months with the aesthetic back in the 90s for a game that was made in like a year. There are fans who do get it but they're not the type that'd be hired by TFB, or would have the push necessary to fix the aesthetic stylings.