Thread 724852639

Is /v/ ready for this discussion?

>Make a joke about a man dressing as a woman because that is something that should be mocked and laughed at
>WOW HE IS LITERALLY ME
It's not empowering. There are two groups of people here. One group is laughing at you because it's ridiculous, the other is simply disgusted with you.

>>724852639 (OP)
the standard cloud is hotter

>>724852639 (OP)
Trails in the sky is better because it has 2 crossdressing scenes in one game

What does the Lifestream even do?

>>724855230
nothing you for you cause you're a gi, LMAO

>>724855297
>be gi
>can't be absorbed into gaia's lifestream
>can still program materia for some reason
Bravo, Nomura. You took a bullshit plot device with no explanation and made it even worse. That'll be $210 + tip.

>>724852639 (OP)
Yeah sure
Games are often highly specialized in their genre if they are good, which means that if a video games main theme and focus is representation then that implies other fields suffer (Concord, Veilguard) so when I hear a games marketing focus on how representation was a core driver then I simply know its not a game I'm interested in, I am happy you get something for you but its just not for me

Now companies for some reason do not understand this, they believe there is an audiance for representation themes outside of the honestly small social circles that care about such things and so they push hundreds of millions of dollars into developing games with a message very few people relatively to the total consumer cap care, way too few to make those millions back

Then there is the fact that people who push devs to make games with those messages often arent looking for a game to play that features what they want, they're just looking for a platform for their message, this is why they cheer for devs that cater to them on one hand but do not buy their products on the other, why would they? They already get the message your game was turned into a billboard for.

So the only ones now left are the ones asking why their legacy favourite IP now changes genre from action, rpg, rts, fighting etc to the genre of messaging, and yes, messaging should be recognized as a genre in and of itself , because that makes it easier to understand why people stay away

Message genre games are as described above any game that functions as a billboard to some sort of social or politically message, it can feature things from other genres to make itself feel a game and not just a message, but the message will always be central and its just not a popular genre

>Tldr
Companies that replace the genres of their existing IP to the messaging one dont understand only those asking for it explicitly want it and most of those wont even buy it cause its a message they already understand

>>724852639 (OP)
Faggots have always been in JRPGs

>>724855404
Materia is made of lifestream, they used their own you moron

>>724852639 (OP)
Representation of what? Bishies crossdressing for comedic effect?

>>724852639 (OP)
Barret forcing Cloud to to dress in girl's clothing and then pounding his sissy white boy ass.

>>724856034
The Black Materia was a Sacred Materia owned by the Cetra. The Gi stole it.
If the Black Materia was from the Gi's own lifestream, why can't they return to it?
Niggerfaggot.

>>724856251
>Tragic antagonist who ultimately takes responsibility for his actions and suffers the consequences is rewritten to be not responsible and under the influence of a wibbity wobbity
What in the fuck is genuinely wrong with these niggas writing/directing this abortion of a sequel? Can't wait for Sephiroth to end up being a good guy that fights Jenova who is revealed to actually have been a Cetra, who were actually bad guys all along.

>>724856545
Nothing. They are doing their job. Their job is to milk FF7 brand for all its worth for as long as they can. If they have to ruin the story in the process then so be it.

>>724856431
>The Black Materia was a Sacred Materia owned by the Cetra. The Gi stole it.
The GI made the black materia.

ZAMN, Lightning look like THAT?!?

>>724858034
They programmed it, they didn't create it. There is a difference. Regardless, it's the same difference in this context.
I.E., If they created it from their lifestream, they should still be able to return to their lifestream. Otherwise the balls would be inert.

>>724858594
>They programmed it, they didn't create it. There is a difference. Regardless, it's the same difference in this context.
???

>As revealed in Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, the Gi tribe were an extraterrestrial people who arrived on the planet in ancient times after their homeworld was destroyed. They regarded the native Cetra with dislike, believing them to be haughty and intolerant toward outsiders. Because the Gi were not native to the planet, their spirits could not enter the lifestream after dying, resulting in them becoming lost souls. The Cetra built altars to commune with and calm these tormented souls in the hope of finding a means to coexist peacefully.
>Horrified and vengeful, the ghosts of the Gi focused their sorrow and bitterness at their state to create the black materia, believing the destruction of the planet would free them from their undead state. The Cetra stole the black materia from the Gi to prevent them from using it, leaving the Gi to linger in their hatred and resentment for thousands of years.

>>724858624
Did you actually play the game, or are you just reading the fanwiki? Ironically enough, it mentions what actually occurs in the story, if you bother to read the corresponding page
>As revealed in Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, the black materia was created by the Gi tribe when they stole a Sacred Materia from the Cetra and focused all of their immense hatred and resentment into it.
Hence, the difference between programming and creating. Shinra can create blank materia and blank materia occur naturally. These are what the "Sacred Materia" are in the Remake, presumably.
Programming is when you correspond with the lifestream and it uses your present knowledge to achieve whatever end you're focused on. To that extent, materia are basically genie lamps, and it sort of makes Holy a redundant concept, but that's a story for another time.
So Gaia's Lifestream can/will access the Gi's thoughts/prayers/whatever, program a materia to kill the planet it inhabits, but for some reason it can't/won't absorb the Gi into itself... huh? Oh and then it summons godzilla to fight against the very thing it itself programmed. Meaning the finale of FFVII, including the OG, is just the Lifestream fighting against itself, because it's a retarded, unnecessary plot device used as a poor excuse for ebin cinematics and melodrama.

>>724859097
Doesnt seem far fetched at all, the black materia is an aberration and it fits that the Gi corrupted one into it. Sephiroth having jenova cells can still interact with materia, same as cloud and even Zack.
You seem way too focused on a very minuscule detail just to avoid accepting that they fixed a pretty big plot point from the original and also streamlined the plotting.

M.A.S.H. did it first

>>724859373
They didn't fix anything. In the OG the Black Materia just exists, and was said to have been given to the Cetra along with the White Materia by The Planet (The Lifestream), implying they were already pre-programmed by it with Meteor and Holy, resectively, which makes no sense in its own right.
In this new version, the aforementioned are now Sacred (Blank) Materia, and are programmed by entities who otherwise have no connection or access to the Lifestream. This doesn't fix anything.
>Sephiroth having jenova cells can still interact with materia, same as cloud and even Zack
Interaction is different from programming. When somebody uses a materia, they're accessing the memories/knowledge stored on that materia. I.E. when you use "Fire" you're potentially using a materia that some Cetra from 2,000 years ago programmed to cook his meat. Assuming they ate meat, the hippie bastards. The Lifestream isn't reading your mind in real-time, it's accessing its databank as it relates to that unique materia, regardless of who is using it. Hence, why the Gi could in theory summon Meteor, but why programming it makes no sense.

It's not streamlining when you introduce three hours of cutscenes and dialogue dedicated to new nonsense and solve no issues with the writing. The plot device went from ambiguously nonsensical to definitively nonsensical. Amazing. 25 years and THIS is all they could do.

>>724860072
Also, I realize it's unfair to call Cetra hippies. They were more like gypsies. Similar faggotry, but slightly classier.

>>724860072
>They didn't fix anything.
They did. They killed 3 birds with one stone: they gave the black materia an origin, they introduced the temple of the ancients properly to the party and they introduced the concept of "something outside of the planet cant enter it", something you extrapolate to Jenova. Plus, they introduce the concept of "living forever" and how terrible it is, which connects with Sephiroth goals and what Aerith stands against.
>and was said to have been given to the Cetra along with the White Materia by The Planet (The Lifestream)
It was said? they didnt explore the origins of the black materia at all in the original, it was just "nuke protected by the ancients".

>Interaction is different from programming. When somebody uses a materia, they're accessing the memories/knowledge stored on that materia. I.E. when you use "Fire" you're potentially using a materia that some Cetra from 2,000 years ago programmed to cook his meat. Assuming they ate meat, the hippie bastards. The Lifestream isn't reading your mind in real-time, it's accessing its databank as it relates to that unique materia, regardless of who is using it. Hence, why the Gi could in theory summon Meteor, but why programming it makes no sense.
You read into it too much.
The cetra controlled the lifestream and used magic.
Shinra took that and made materias, for mass use.
The Gi stored all their memories/hatred/grief aka their own lifestream inside a blank "materia", creating the black materia, something unnatural and destructive.
Thats all there is to it.

Dont play the game of going into the chemical composition of the materias or checking for physical sense of fantasy stuff because you are gonna lose. The only game that ive seen that makes an effort about it is Trails in the sky, and that one forgot to add bathrooms to houses.

>>724861467
And what would be a valid criticism of 7R

>>724862545
You not instantly dying when you came out of your mom's womb.

>>724855230
Basically everything.

>>724852639 (OP)
It's not gay if you're the top. Roman law.

>>724862579
That would lose 7R 1 and 2 a sale each.