Thread 724861025

People who use them do not respect videogames as a medium.

>>724861025 (OP)
video games are toys, not art

>>724861102
Toys are art too, especially when I child names it

>>724861025 (OP)
Games already labor under budgetary restrictions, office politics putting different ideas at cross purposes, governments imposing censorship and publisher demands.
Mods are trivial by comparison and are a part of the normal cultural process, people are expected to make derivatives and modifications of copies or else culture collapses.

>>724861025 (OP)
Indeed I don't.

>>724861025 (OP)
The design of a classic muscle car is art.
So too is the hobbyist's customization of that design.
Video games are in a similar class.

All I see is artist's vision and propaganda at the bottom

>>724861025 (OP)
If your game has a price then it's a product , not art to be respected.

>>724861025 (OP)
>>724861102
Games that are true art don't have porn mods.

>>724861025 (OP)
Art is for faggots
Get replaced by AI and die

>>724861025 (OP)
Yes, and?

>>724861498
This. Van Gogh paintings aren't art.

>>724861025 (OP)
What is up with troons hating visual mods?

They use aim bots, cheats, save states, and a bunch of other souless edits.
But hate swapping ugly character models for hot anime chicks?

>>724861550
"True art" doesn't mean it has to be so somber you can't imagine anything aesthetically appealing existing in the world.
>but big boobs are tasteless pornography
Yeah, sure buddy.

>>724861025 (OP)
Is this the new tranny psyop to keep people from modding out woke shit from games?

>>724861596
They are public domain , they free

>>724861690
Even games are free

>>724861025 (OP)
mods are based

>>724861650
Never said that, big boobs are kino, but not when you put them in serious moments (like Xenoblade 2)

>>724861025 (OP)
Only bad mods do it.
Skyrim is one of the best examples of this. None of the popular mods try to match the same style of the original graphics and atmosphere, they're all higher quality but completely inconsistent. You never got a coherent visual at the end of it because there's nothing coherent.

Part of it is the ease of making mods. The easier it is for some artfag to drop in generic high quality unoptimised models or textures that don't fit the art direction, the worse the modding is.
Cyberpunk is getting similar exceptit's mostly contained to troons fulfilling their AGP with gooner cosmetics but the inconsistency to art direction is still there. Not as bad as Skyrim yet.

>>724861802
I'd say that the issue with Skyrim is that the style of the original game is fucking ugly, not many people would be motivated to make stuff matching the hideous grey and brown "gritty" aesthetic that beth went with.

>>724861914
It doesn't matter, if you're not fitting the aesthetic you're making a horrible visual mess. There wouldn't be a problem if the community banded together to create their own art direction, but they don't because artfags can easily get their shit in the game.
Artfags mod Skyrim the same reason why they mod Cyberpunk, it's an easy way to make a name for yourself. If you're a nobody 3D artist you just spam inconsistent model replacements and all of a sudden you have 10000 downloads and are more than a nobody. Hell, most artfags don't even have consistency between their own mods, 2 mods that link together that don't even fit each others aesthetic.

>>724861914
you might not care for them, but skyrim like all bethesda games have amazing art direction to make up for lackluster graphical fidelity

>>724861102
I have a game development degree from the Rochester Institute of Technology. He's right. Modding is fucking based. Not dicking around just makes you a consoomer
>>724861352
>>724861162
These guys get it but put it more nicely

>>724861025 (OP)
>"Artists"
>cog in the AAA videogame scam industry
Lol
Lmao even

>>724862718
The architecture and landscapes are good (outside the issue of scale where the capital of Skyrim has less houses than some bumfuck fisherman village on Vvardenfell), monsters are great, weapons and armor are good to meh, characters are fucking hideous. Too bad that 99% of mods touching those are retarded gook MMO looking trash instead of trying to keep things somewhat grounded.

>>724861102
Fpbp

cry me a river, 99% of people who put silly mods in a game have already beaten it vanilla at least once anyway and then they fuck around for funsies

>>724861025 (OP)
Hm, nyo.

>>724861102
>books are children's stories and not literature
a self report if there ever was one

>>724863625
who are you quoting?

>>724861025 (OP)
Current videogames also don't respect me as a consumer, your point being?

>>724861025 (OP)
Some games are simply unplayable or just broken without mods.
Vtmb is unplayable, new Vegas and Bethesda games are broken, completely unbalanced. But I agree, 99% of mods are trash.

It's just emblematic of the attitude of PC """master race"""
zero respect for gaming, completely incapable of appreciating games as an artform, just consume consume consume
modding and just shitting all over the intended vision and presentation of a game is just an extension of that shitty attitude
upscaling textures, reshades, doesn't matter what, all of that shit is disrespectful
play it the way it was intended or don't play at all

>>724863872
>modding and just shitting all over the intended vision and presentation of a game
Most games are unfinished or censored. If you want to play new Vegas how it was intended by the game director you must download his unofficial mod called jsawyer mod and even mod itself is unfinished

>>724863625
This. FFT is just a silly toy just like Crime and punishment is a silly story for kids.

>>724863697
you by using an analogy

>>724864092
this but unironically

>>724865520
you might be retarded or an esl, your reply had nothing to do with my comment

>>724861025 (OP)
Mods are fun
>>724861102
Games are art
Simple as.

>>724861025 (OP)
fuck video gmaes

Why do modders think it looks impressive to put high-res textures on a low-poly model?

I miss when mods were basically a whole new game (great for young poorfags with infinite free time) and not just epic meme coomer joke shit or giga-autistic slop that adds unnecessary layers of realism and/or complexity

>>724865717
Yes it did. You're just dumbfuck retard.
Do you understand what an analogy is?

>>724866528
*a dumbfuck retard

>>724863558
some a hud mod please

>>724866778
download a*

>>724866428
you mean stuff like The Chronicles of Myrthana: Archolos or Enderal: Forgotten Stories?
It's understandable that they'd be rare given the sheer effort required to make them

>>724866528
yes, but your analogy about books doesn't illustrate a point and sounds more like a schizophrenic remark.
>video games : books :: children's stories [not literature : toys [not art]
what do you mean by this?

>>724861025 (OP)
>People who use them do not respect videogames as a medium.
That's the entire industry, because video games are an interactive media, and the industry does everything in their powers to contain the interactivity and force the player in an specific path.

We're still caveman insisting in smearing shit on the cave paintings because "it needs smell to be realistic".

>>724861025 (OP)
Only mods i ever use is stuff that fixes bug/glitches. Aside from that, i never install mods. My only other exception is full conversion, which are essentially new games built on top of another one.

>>724866935
Yeah
Things like that were more common in the late 90s/00s, particularly with shooters

>>724867030
that videogames deserve the same respect as books.

>>724861025 (OP)
I disagree. A few modders like someguy2000 and th3overseer can do some extremely lore-friendly and atmosphere-friendly content when they want to.

>>724861645
Not OP and not a troon, but I only like to mod hot chicks who fit the game's design otherwise it feels like I'm watching Smiling friends or Gumball where there's a bunch of different animation styles at the same time on the screen.

>>724861025 (OP)
>this optional and unofficial thing ruins the artistic integrity of my video game
that's like saying I'm ruining Microsoft by customizing my Xbox controller with cute anime girl stickers

>>724867290
there's probably a variety of reasons for this:
-low effort/meme mods receive a lot more attention on youtube and other social media
-making new assets for modern games is a lot harder because of the higher detail and fidelty in the graphics
-games have a significantly faster turnover because a ton of shit constantly gets released and even a poorfag teen can always afford to buy a something new, so very few sp games manage to keep a sizeable player base for years on end

>>724861025 (OP)
>you don't understand, bloodborne was meant to run at 1080p 20fps!
>you pc chuds are ruining the original experience as intended by the devs!

>>724868369
>making new assets for modern games is a lot harder because of the higher detail and fidelty in the graphics
this is probably it
the modern indie dev scene replaced mods

>>724861025 (OP)
If video games are art the mods art too.

>>724861102
Toy can be art, art can be toy.
Obviously not all are.

I won't let myself be at the mercy of the developers when it comes to the game's systems or balance, i know infinity better than them how to make their game.

>>724869238
videogame mods are the equivalent of this

>>724871028
They're more like this

>>724863558
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V97pg5oNO_U

>>724871028
I'd trick up a copy of the mona lisa.

>>724861025 (OP)
>People who use them do not respect videogames as a medium.
t.

>>724871028
so based?

>>724861025 (OP)
nuh uh

>>724861025 (OP)
>game is bad
>need mods to fix it
>game is good
>mod it so i can keep playing
mods are always correct

>>724861025 (OP)
I have a question
Why should I care how some stranger is playing his single player game?

>>724872893
For argument's sake so that you can hone your skills for the real debate: Is futa gay or not?

I BOUGHT THE GAME I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT WITH IT

Changing the rules or visuals of a game has existed long before video games. Cards with unique designs? Mod.
House rules? Mod.
Special Pokemon edition of Monopoly? Mod.
A green soccerball? Mod.
Playing basketball 2v2? Mod.
Strip poker? Literally a nude mod of poker.

>>724867030
it's reflective of what kind of media you choose to consume, not the medium itself

>>724873698
nta, but no futa isn't gay. All men got a g-spot in the bum so taking it from a women, futa or a strapon isn't gay.

>>724861025 (OP)
Correct
I'm having FUN with my video games

>>724861102
cope

>>724861025 (OP)
Not all mods are bad.
SH2 Enhanced Edition makes the original even better, not to mention that it also fixes the vanilla PC version.

>>724861025 (OP)
>People who use them do not respect videogames as a medium.
Nobody does

They're just letting us know they're gonna crack down hard on mods. I've only returned to v for a couple times today in forever, and the catalog has been littered with these threads all day.

>>724880389
Who are they?

>>724861025 (OP)
Another butthurt consoletard thread.

>>724861025 (OP)
"Lore-friendly" mods are alright.

Please share a link for this mod

>>724881072
no mods can be 'lore friendly' as it wasn't made by the devs or creators of the game
fanfiction at best

luv me mods

Sex with modded Rimworld cunnies

>>724882197
rimword
eww

>>724880685
thaanks doc

>>724881804
Fans often know the lore better than the devs themselves. The creators will often just retcon shit to put more black female characters in their games while fan mods revert those retcons.

>>724861025 (OP)
>People who use them do not respect videogames as a medium.
correct, fuck videogames. i will play what i want to how i want to and it is too late to stop me.

>>724861025 (OP)
>they do not respect videogames as a medium
You're damn right I don't respect this fucking trash medium. Now I'll go back to adding more cute anime girls in bikinis to my games.

>>724863872
>that shit is disrespectful
Who care ? I paid for a toy, I can do whatever I want with this toy

>>724861102
Why not both?

>>724861025 (OP)
>I had fun playing the whole game vanilla, and experienced creator's vision fully as intended
>Time to replay the game again, but this time customizing the game with my own vision using mods for a completely different experience
What's wrong with this mind-set?

I love disrespecting video games.

>>724861025 (OP)
THIS MOTHERFUCKER IS MALDING ABOUT AI FOR FUCKING SUMMARIES OF ALL THINGS INSTEAD OF FUCKING
FINISHING
HIS
FUCKING
BOOK

>>724861025 (OP)
I'd discuss your point earnestly but I can't think of a single example where vanilla is better than modded. The modding community has been saving games for 15 or so years, and not just bethesda's. I tend to buy games only when that makes it easier to mod 'em nowadays.

Normalfags have a hard time understanding video games because they have passive minds that only absorb and don't understand the idea of creating anything.
They see games as if they were movies, and think that modifying games is some kind of sin. They can't imagine video games as games per se. Imagine some faggot saying that you can't change the pieces on your chessboard, or can't create your own 3D models of the monsters in your tabletop RPG, or can't paint your RC cars... It makes no sense, but that's what the faggots who play videogames because marketing campaigns have convinced them that's what they should do with their free time believe.

>>724863558
>nyo

>>724885918
Point and laugh

here's your artistic vision dawg

respect the art chud

>>724863391
New one looks so much worse holy shit, why even bother

devs aren't gonna like this...

this is NOT what the devs wanted

>>724861102
kek, what's next, paintings not being art?

drop that crayon dirty criminal!

>>724880685
Grazie dottore.

>>724861025 (OP)
Mods are great. You can take games like skyrim that are targeted for 80-95 iq people and make them enjoyable for 120+

same faggot spam threads every day for decade+.

>>724881804
You can't cross the same river twice, this only gets more true as you as you loop more people into the creative process. Once something is created, all further derivatives are fanfiction.

>>724861025 (OP)
Good

>>724861102
Like dildos?

op fag (odds are a console serf) can't comprehend that devs have time and money constraints and modders mostly add to the game what was cut or was supposed to be in the game or they fix bugs

>>724887104
Anything but paintings isn't art.

>>724888894
Things beyond painting started being considered art in the 18th century with the concept of "fine arts" that separated creative expression from manual crafts.

>>724861102
This, if fans actually respected videogames as an artful medium, they would instead petition for "The [X] Cut" from developers instead of directly modifying the media themselves.

>>724861025 (OP)
People can and should do whatever the fuck they want with their games.

I do think most mods beyond small tweaks always have some sort of subjective visual/balance issue I don't care for, though. I don't know why some people look for mod recommendations before playing the actual game the first time, besides like fixes for a shitty port or something.

>>724888614
>Fix bugs
Great
>Add cut/intended content
Not sure how accurately dev intention is being divined by outsiders, but a majority of the time cut content is not some sort of tragic missed opporunity, things get left on the cutting room floor of every type of project.

>>724861102
FPBP

>>724888351
I'm sorry Kojima-sama.

>>724888351
>this sexy woman is actually forced to be sexy against her will!
Oh yeah... damn I feel bad now. that definitely does not make it hotter.

>>724888979
At which point the term art ceased having any value.

>>724861025 (OP)
>tweaking files to optimise the frame rate is ruining the artistic integrity
>slicing up the game and selling the pieces as microtransactions and season pass subscription services doesnt

>>724890230
It separates creative expression from utilitarian things. That definitely has value, just look at how it makes satanic AI-faggots cry and shit

>>724890354
No, it devalues the term to include shit that shouldn't fall under it.
See: Duchamp and "performance art" where silver spoons act like douchebags and make art of themselves or actively show themselves being sodomized infront of their class. That's the actual result of the devaluation of art from being solely the domain of the fine arts.

>>724861025 (OP)
I do not respect "Art" at all.

>>724861102
No.

>>724861025 (OP)
I don't give a shit
Modding doesn't detriment the original product and it's optional

Its mods so anything goes. That said, i always go for mods that feel like a natural extension of the game and fit thematically.

Basically: Try and stop me, fag.

>>724861025 (OP)
>People who use them do not respect videogames as a medium.
You are entirely correct in that assessment. I think I'll continue blaspheming /v/ by having fun.

>>724861102
this, thank god.

>>724861025 (OP)
Whoops just ruined the artistic integrity of the Mona Lisa by using my copy I got online and altering that copy which has no affect on the original.

>>724897480
You sicken me with your blasphemous ways.

>>724861025 (OP)
Why is your image so low quality yet such a large size?
>>724861683
If you think that image is new you must be new.

>>724861025 (OP)
Investment firms ruin the "artistic integrity" of video games. Shareholders ruin the "artistic integrity" of video games. CEOs ruin the "artistic integrity" of video games. Localizers ruin the "artistic integrity" of video games. Nowadays, even the game developers themselves ruin the "artistic integrity" of video games, thanks to DEI hiring. There's no artistic integrity left to ruin in the case of most games. I've seen way more mod developers respect the artistic integrity of an IP than the actual dev studios of said games and franchises have in over a decade, and in many cases longer than that.

>>724861025 (OP)
>Mods you're story of King Author to include my self insert Mary Sue who is the best at everything and gets the protagonist's wife as a love interest

People have been modding art for thousands of years

>>724898289
It's just neo-patricians bashing neo-plebeians, as it ever was.

>>724861102
no, vidya is art that you can toy with

>>724867290
That's largely due to HL1&2 being such God tier games in terms of modding. Meanwhile Source 2 is still not able do the stuff modders were doing two months after HL2 released.

>>724861025 (OP)
brainlets believe video games become art when they are made. the reality is that video games become art when they are played. therefore it's the other way around. mods are the ultimate artistic expression of video games.

>>724861102
hey shuntaro

>>724861102
I've had to accept this as well.

No use complaining about bad remasters. It's not art to begin with, so it can't be destroyed.

>>724898884
remasters are not mods.

>>724861025 (OP)
as is their right
their mods don't affect your experience

>>724861025 (OP)
>People who use them do not respect videogames as a medium.

>>724861102
Yep, people who take videogames too seriously and need them to be art are always cancer.

I find nude mods to be dumb. I do enjoy modded sexy outfits tho.
I don't know why but the nude mods just don't do it for me. I guess because it feels way too out of place and breaks immersion that way.
Swapping characters is also pretty neat.
I think 2B should be in all games honestly.

>>724861025 (OP)
Really hard to make that argument when when you have the author re-releasing a fucked up copy of their work and forgetting their original intention.

>>724899362
It's just too bad retards like you are now in charge of the video game industry, ruining it. With your lack of intelligence and care and disrespect for the art of games.

>>724899403
No, because it doesn't matter what the creator does later, people can become totally different people. Especially Star Wars, George Lucas didn't even direct the movie you're posting.

What's with the recent uptick in anti-mod shilling? Are they planning something with paid mods again?

>>724899486
No, it's the faggots that think videogames are art and things like "fun" are not the goal but make them tools for social change and put degenerate crap in them or think that everything but playing is the goal.
The guys that make great games always put fun and gameplay at the forefront because they are not trying to prove shit but just make something they are proud of and that people will enjoy playing.

>>724899364
This guy gets it

>>724899362
This. Why should auteur games that are born with a soul going far beyond mere entertainment be taken seriously? Heaven forbid that we might talk about deserving video games the same way we talk about a great novel.

>>724861102
>video games are toys, not art

Why does /v/ have such a low opinion on video games as a medium? Why can't video games be art?

Don't care. She's in. He's in.

>>724899743
Fun is part of the art. That's the point. See, you don't even know what the art of video games is. That's why you disrespect it. You don't care if there's microtransactions. Or someone ruins a game with a crappy "remaster".
Because you, like most modern "game companies" hate video games. It's too bad.

>>724899873
it's brazen bait that gets a fuckton of (You)s every single time it is posted

>>724861025 (OP)
This is like getting mad when people use the mona lisa or some other famous painting in a meme.

>>724899675
George Lucas had always intended for Star Wars to be that way since the very early 70s and simply wasn't able to put most of it to film but that doesn't excuse the fact that shoe-horning shitty CGI into a movie that's otherwise fine detracts from the viewing experience somewhat.

>>724899675
So why shouldn't I just mod the game back into it's original state if the author (now a totally different person literally and figuratively) has the same authority as any other modder?

>>724899873
For them, video games are just a stupid pastime, nothing more. They can’t accept that there are so many different kinds of creativity that deserve to be recognized, SM64, DOA, PS:T, SH2, whatever, gameplay or story born from the pure passion of developers who had a clear vision in mind, not games made by some nameless team using tried and true formulas because everyone’s too afraid to take risks anymore.

>>724861025 (OP)
Who asked

>>724861025 (OP)
Being able to mod video games makes it a stronger artistic medium than other forms, allowing for collaborations and greater self-expression even to passerby's. Pic related. This improves the art.

>>724861025 (OP)
>implying artists respect themselves working for soulless greedy faggots who limit what they're allowed to make unless it's equally soulless slop that gets them more corporate welfare points
trolling outside of /b/

>>724900684
I think all forms can do the same thing. Mods are the exact same as fanfic books or movie fanedits.

>>724900684
damn that's some nice jiggle

Don't care, still modding.

>>724899873
Video games are not art because video games are a medium, they can have art in them, they cannot themselves be art. It'd be like calling a fucking canvas art. That said, since video games are a medium, it may not always be intended to be art.

Would you call Pong art? Fuck no. Plenty of games are just toys. Plebs who think they're patricians mentally get off on thinking they're cultured without actually stopping to consider if something is actually cultured.

>>724900508
reeeeeeeeeee no consumers don't have that right!!!!!!!!

>>724900773
Being able to merge 500 projects into one is greater than reading a fanfic.

why yes, i do not respect videogames as a medium despite enjoying playing some of them, how could you tell?

>>724900904
Pong isn't.
FF7 is.

>>724900717
Any good game is not like that. Games are to be headed by one man with a vision and his fellows that help, but also argue with him, until they finish a good game. The process of making a game is the exact same as a movie. You can see that if you read game developer books like The WoW Diary.

>>724901117
Which is my point. A video game can be artistic, but not all video games are, and even of the video games that try to be artistic, it's incredibly hard to pull off successfully.

>>724900904
Pong is just a game like jump rope while a game with a story with some kind of message is created with artistic intent and experienced as such. Most games are more like a dance than a game. You can perform or experience it.
Jump rope and dancing is not the same, get it?

>>724900684
>>724900842
>>724900927
Man. I can't think of any games I've played recently that have modders this based, outside of SA2 and its Rouge XXL mod.

>>724901287
See >>724901264

>>724861102
fpbp
/thread

I can't help but notice no one has mentioned any mod with integrity. "Mods are good because I'm a porn-addict." seems to be the sentiment.

>>724901424
>seems to be the sentiment.
Nigger there's tons of good mods for games, so of which are far bigger than cosmetic changes or model swapping. You're just a zoomer consoletard that hasn't done any research or digging.

>>724901424
There are so many games and so many mods that it's a pretty pointless question

>>724861025 (OP)
You are correct but I also don't respect modern art as a medium either.

>>724901298
Genshin Impact has some seriously fucked up mods too, the most degenerate shit I've ever seen modded into a game and I know about TES mods.

>>724901338
It's not hard at all, I would argue that a vast amount of games are art. You're being really shallow trying to say games can't be art and not art. It's the same with illustrations, not all of those are art.

>>724901424
We're only posting those because it's funny and you can take a picture of them. I don't know how to take a picture of a rebalance mod or a mod that changes audio or makes a game better to play by tweaking controls or mechanics.

>>724901619
>It's not hard at all, I would argue that a vast amount of games are art. You're being really shallow trying to say games can't be art and not art. It's the same with illustrations, not all of those are art.
You say this while posting a boob shot in a gacha game whose express purpose is to make as much money as possible off of porn addicts. You're a fucking idiot or I'm reading this wrong.

>>724901757
>art isn't art if it makes money
I was posting a highly artistic game and you're a mad retard that has no critical thinking ability.

>>724901843
Art is the pursuit of beauty and meaning, which is immediately rendered void if the primary motivation is material.

>>724901843
>webm
is true

This would be a lot more straightforward if art was objectively defined.

>>724901934
>art is what I decided it is, not what it actually is
no point replying to a schizo

I have grey haze fatigue.

>>724902156
Art is what it was throughout history. You need only look at the pieces that have been meticulously preserved for centuries to witness what humanity considers to be actual art. Your furry smut illustrations will not be preserved with the same care.

>>724902290
>>724902048
Just imagine being a drooling retard that doesn't understand what art is.

>>724902048
Just like with taste, people always say everyone’s opinion is valid (as long as it’s in good faith), but the moment you say something less than enthusiastic about a classic book like Joyce or Tolstoy, suddenly you’re “ignorant” and “don’t get it.” That whole double standard is something I’ll never be able to stand

>>724861025 (OP)
I've never modded a game that I felt like there was an express intent behind. Whether they're trying to make a deliberate experience with a message, etc. Even if I didn't like the artistic merit of the game.
Like if you believe video games are art, you can't sit there and honestly say something like Skyrim or My Summer Car are the same level of art as Journey or Gris or RDR2 or Death Stranding

>>724902735
>you suck at dancing so you're not a dancer

>>724861025 (OP)
Based and very true, OP. Modding is troon-coded.

>>724861025 (OP)
have you considered not using them or looking for them and just playing the game the way you want to play it? nobody is stopping you.

What about the modder's artistic vision? Is that any less worthy?

>>724902818
I can't dance, I can't walk, the only thing about me is the way that I walk.

>>724902879
>coded
Dialeight

>>724902991
Yes
It is inferior

>>724861025 (OP)
consoloid or Fromnigger still eternally and permanently buck broken by seamless co-op, call it

>>724903008
Based Genesis enjoyer

>>724903074
By what metric?

>>724903197
THEY TRACE OVER THE LINES

>>724861025 (OP)
>finish cyberpunk
>decide to check what kinda mods are available
>bunch of different hairs, different body types for both genders, different clothes
>different weapons like vergil's katana from DMC or modded legendaries that deal 9999 damage per hit just killing everything in one hit
>replace all the unique ads in game with real life ads
>replace the ads with ads for vtubers
>replace V's voice with this other video game character
>but every line is read by a soulless AI that cant match the tones and inflections in a human's voice
I just don't get it... why download something that completely overhauls the character presets if you cant see your character?
why replace the ads for in-universe products with products that actually exist?
actually that one really baffles me because the televisions don't change
why replace the voice with AI? if it was at least well done I'd understand it, but these are just some kid plugging each line into a machine that reads it like a machine

>>724861025 (OP)
>medium

>>724903261
Some mods are made more for the mod creator than for anyone who actually downloads them. The joy of creation and whatnot.

>>724902818
>Even if I didn't like the artistic merit of the game.
Nothing wrong with bad art. You gotta make some bad stuff before you can leard how to make good stuff. Even then there can be value in the bad art depending on perspective.
I'm more talking about commercial and soulless art. It's like comparing a dental billboard to a Monet or Andrychiewicz, they don't have the same value as art in the first place. So who cares if you try to make the billboard better?

>>724903887
Why did they have to have him stare dead on with that rape face?

>>724903261
>willingly grab gay ass garbage mods
>"wtf why are mods so shit?? I really don't get it......."
nigga come the fuck on

>>724903261
>not modding the prophet with Alex Jones voice
ngmi

I think mod make the game look great

https://youtu.be/HiSWsSA4grQ

This game is actually not playable with mods desu

Console nigger cope op. Keep playing the poor, base version with all the bugs.

Didn't read the thread. Most modfags have poor taste and ruin their experience by filling their game with junk before they get to know it. Conversely, most mods are trash made and consumed by people who don't actually play the game. True for every game with mods, from Sims, to Skyrim, to whatever else.

Mods only enhance the experience when you know the game and what you're looking for to improve it.

not reading all that

>>724904103
He doesn't have any other face.

>artist's vision
This is written as if there was a singular artist responsible for the entirety of the game's visuals, with no input from other developers on the team. For just about every game with an active modding scene, that is not the case.
There are very few games like Skyrim or Elden Ring which had extremely talented concept artists who could shape the entire design. Most games visual fidelity just comes from shaders these days, and the shaders used are just whatever is popular at the moment.

>>724861025 (OP)
how do you feel about devs like bethesda who outright encourage mods

>>724861102
truth nuke

>>724861025 (OP)
A moronic take. Cherrypicking too.

>>724886365
your jeering means nothing to me, juan

>>724861102
Pevk

>>724861102
/thread

>>724875859
Some of those are true, but Pokemon Monopoly isn't modifying the original, it is a product by itself. Same with the soccer ball and cards.

>>724861025 (OP)
I was with you until I played the modded version of Kiwami 2. Made the game better than 3 at least.

>>724872479
MR ADVERTISER GET DOWN!

>>724861025 (OP)
counter strike and team fortress, pubg, chivarly, day of defeat, dayz, dota 2, insurgency, killing floor, natural selection 2, red orchestra

all mods

>>724901619
>Genshin Impact has some seriously fucked up mods too, the most degenerate shit I've ever seen modded into a game and I know about TES mods.
Examples? I question how a live service gacha can be modded with more depravity than an offline game can.
I am prepared to accept the potential consequences of asking this question.

>>724908918
I don't think you understand using the same engine doesn't make it a mod you silly faggot. This is some zoomer revisionism at its finest like calling everything an app because you can't tell the difference between five words.
>File (The thing that has the code in it.)
>Game (A thing that is meant to be a game to be played in code form, usually a .exe on PCs.)
>Program (A thing that is going do some calculations/operations for you in the background.
>App (Apple only form of Application because of App store, basically just a phone program.)
>Application (Generic form of Application.)
Fucking pick up a dictionary and read it bitch ass.

>>724861025 (OP)
Just saying.

>>724909205
All of the games he listed started as mods dependant on other games, before they evolved into stand-alone games. You weird person.

>>724909167
There is a thread on loverslab and ATF where there are sometimes animated previews

>>724909547
>What is an overhaul mod.
>Its still the same game despite playing entirely different.
Meds.

>>724909205
okay but these are explicitly derived from those games and required the original game to play them in the first place, or the list would of been much larger. having a different game with the same engine wouldnt let you play them, and so, by definition, they were mods of those games.

>>724909601
>What is an overhaul mod.
Is that... Not a mod?

>>724909601
>what is an overhaul mod

a....a mod? thats....thats why its called...a....a mod

>>724909648
>>724909665
Yes, but??? OVERHAUL means it overhauls the game completely and makes it into a new game. Next you going to say Fallout New Vegas is just a mod of Fallout 3.

>>724909747
lol

>>724909648
hes just being funny. he should of gone with total conversion tho, atleast that wouldnt have the word "mod" in it.

>>724909814
Total conversion mod is the full term. Its like National Socialism being socialism in name only

artistic games are not very moddable. people usually mod shooters, sandboxes, and open world games, ie products and toys

>>724861025 (OP)
That's right. If your game is good and polished, I probably don't feel the need to add any mods in the first place.

>>724907078
Lurk moar

>>724861025 (OP)
Isn't this is really the east and west different
Like how some wants more 2d Zelda but don't like Zelda ROM hack

>>724861025 (OP)
If the artist had a vision worth respecting I wouldn't mod.
Suck me.

>>724861025 (OP)
retard take kys

>>724904907
>This is written as if there was a singular artist responsible for the entirety of the game's visuals
Even if there were:
>I'M AN ARTIST RESPECT MEEEEEEE
Pathetic.

>>724861025 (OP)
I don’t play video games to explore some neckbeard developer’s inner soul. I play them for fun. Mods make them more fun, even if it means trampling on that neckbeard’s precious ‘artistic vision,’ and I’m perfectly fine with that. I'm the paying customer; my happiness is more important.

Tamriel Rebuilt is amazing.

>>724861102
You know, some consider toymaking an artform.

>>724861102
You view yourself as an adult man who plays with toys?

>>724911402
You view yourself as an adult woman with a norwood 4?

>>724861025 (OP)
"How dare you change a product you own!"

>>724911562
Of course not, men can never become women. Transgenders are mentally ill, and I denounce the Talmud. Do you consider yourself to be an adult man who plays with toys?

>>724911402
All men play with something

>>724911898
Ask your mother.

>>724901619
Bad art exists : I don't understand why 4chan as a whole can't understand thzt something being art can be High quality art (Michelangelo,Da Vinci,Delacroix) or low quzlity art (coomer art).

>>724861025 (OP)
I've come to realize that the people who hate mods the most are tech illiterate retards that don't know how to install and use them

>>724861025 (OP)
Oh hey, it's that autist that got absolutely BTFO last night.

>>724912051
Because 'art' as a label is rhetorically used to insist videogames should be 'serious,' 'important,' and imply that it should hold itself to certain moral, critical, and social standards which are determined by commentators rather than audiences.

>>724912051
Also the mere choice of your comparison- vaguely 'high class' esteemed names that are primarily of historical significance in art- against 'coomer art' or more generally 'erotic' art as if eroticism wasn't itself something that artists from that historical period were VERY INTERESTED IN PORTRAYING.

>>724912279
Comics and animation are considered art forms, they are not bound to what you describe. People generally understand that not everything in a given medium needs to be serious and political. Only a small, extremely vocal portion of terminally online leftists beat that drum.

>>724912051
Lumping smut and low brow political commentary like "So I'm binary" in remotely the same category as something like Michelangelo's David is an insult to art. I refuse to budge on this line, I'm not going to consider a sculpture of a guy sucking himself off or shit smeared on a fucking canvas as bad art, I refuse to acknowledge it as art at all.

>>724912561
>Comics and animation are considered art forms, they are not bound to what you describe
You are very obviously wrong and all it takes is a single look at western comics and animation
>Only a small, extremely vocal portion of terminally online leftists beat that drum.
Also known as the entire community of esteemed critics.

Maybe you should take a look through the films that have received oscar nominations over the past few years

>>724909747
>Next you going to say Fallout New Vegas is just a mod of Fallout 3.
is literally is

>>724861102
FPBP

>>724861025 (OP)
Remasters and remakes don't respect artistic integrity either. They're no better yet I'm guessing you have no problem with those.

>>724912051
many coomer are artists are way more popular than those fossils, grandpa

>>724912860
>the entire community of esteemed critics.
you mean the guys who have a platform because jews platform them for being jewish writers?
>just trust the experts

>>724912860
>You are very obviously wrong
You're delusional. Low-brow comics and cartoons exist happily alongside more serious ones. "Artsy" stuff in every single medium is the minority of content.

>>724861102
This is just objectively untrue. There is literally no argument where you take a bunch of art smash together add gameplay and somehow it isn't art anymore. Anyone that argues against this is legitimately sub 90 IQ.

>art exists
>is evocative, provocative, avant garde

>video games exist
>lol nope we can't put sex scenes in that it won't sell in australia
>also mastercard won't let us sell this game anymore
>oh and the jews don't want anything about antisemitism which now means antizionism

Consumerist slop by definition cannot be "artists' vision" because the "artist" is a focus group and 3 ceos with egos as big as their dicks are small.

>>724913987
Individual video games are art. Video games as an entire medium isn't though for reasons more complex than just "they're toys".

>>724914035
And yet artistic games have been made for decades and continue to do so.

>>724914221
This is absolutely retarded. We don't have this split for literally any other medium. What's the point of doing this?

>>724914035
>>video games exist
>>lol nope we can't put sex scenes in that it won't sell in australia
Australia hasn't stopped video games from being made with sex scenes. We just had a game release, developed by Californians no less, in which a chapter opened with a sex scene where a woman gets her pussy eaten out and she cums dramatically.

>>724914260
Even the best most arty "art games" are just parodies of actual art.
Eye divine cybermancy is like running around in a painting, a Zdzisław Beksiński painting specifically because the entire aesthetic is just his art.
Video games are what you get when you tell an AI to make a video game out of a painting.

>>724914418
GTA:SA was banned in australia anon, for a sex MOD.

>>724914360
Other mediums have people that respect artistic integrity. Video games have people that celebrate the loss of artistic integrity.

>>724914360
Art is about the intent. Lots of games aren't art because of that.

>>724914508
Yet it still released, so the whole "lol nope we can't put sex scenes in that it won't sell in australia" was irrelevant. If Aussies want to ban it, that's their problem. Plenty of art has been banned throughout the world for obscenity reasons, doesn't stop it from being made.

>>724914436
This what you troglodytes don't seem to understand. Games as art doesnt mean "artsy fartsy" games. They are inherently creative and expressive. Even bland boring ones like assassin's creed are obviously art. I hate those games but their quality has nothing to do with it.

>>724914508
>art is no longer art because the gubment banned it

>>724914667
It's not art when you have to make accommodations to make it legal or appealable.

>>724914598
Art isn't solely about intent dude.

>>724862718
I just downloaded the most popular graphics mod and it honestly looks amazing. It's basically all just upscaled to not look like complete shit. It doesn't affect immersion at all. In fact, the majority of the top Skyrim mods are like that. I just don't download the weirdo gooner mods cos I'm not a mass shooter in the making.

>>724914729
dumbest thing I've read this year

>>724914518
I have no idea what argument you're trying to make. I have literally never seen someone claim one book doesn't count as art or a movie etc etc. I don't see this individual vs medium argument anywhere.

>>724861025 (OP)
Has any video game ever had artistic integrity

>>724914740
Yes it is.

>>724914913
Last (You) from me then. Guess I shouldn't expect more but goddamn /v/ is dumb as fuck.

>>724914986
What the hell do you think art is other than expressing your ideas?

>>724914862
Because I haven't explained myself yet because I don't feel like typing up a novel about this topic again. But basically it's a mix of what >>724914035 posted with the fact that the video game community as a whole celebrates remakes and remasters that change the original artistic vision of the game just for the sake of modern conveniences. Any artist who isn't a tool will agree that art cannot exist alongside censorship. Likewise, they will also tell you new pieces do not invalidate the old. Yet this is exactly what happens in our medium. Old video games are considered "obsolete" when there's a newer, shinier version. Video games cannot be considered art when the "art" is so easily cast aside and disrespected.

Expressing ideas does not equal intent retard.

>>724909747
>Next you going to say Fallout New Vegas is just a mod of Fallout 3.
It is! It is a mod! Who you think you are? You should be kissing my ass right now! Me and my company - we built this whole business! Bethesda did! Bethesda money! Bethesda blood! That IP, I paid for it! And you treat us like dogs!

>>724915134
Well that's the dumbest argument ever considering we remake movies all the time. Nobody says movies aren't art or shouldn't be respected or whatever psued dumbfuck point you think you're making.

>>724914729
North Korea only allows art that arbitrarily meets the philosophical standards of Juche. This extends well past video games to every medium. A nation banning art is irrelevant.

>>724915323
Film buffs don't say "Watch Lion King (2019), don't bother with the old one, it's outdated". Yet that's exactly how the video game community treats remakes. Fuck the original creation, anyone complaining is just a nostalgiafag.

>>724915521
So now its about what film buffs say? And that's not true anyway. There are a ton of remakes/remasters that people say playing the og is better. Have you really even thought about this before? This argument is dogshit.

>>724915659
If people want video games to be art and not toys, then stop treating them like toys and throwing them out whenever you get a newer, shiny one. Stop saying things like "games age", stop saying better graphics = automatically better. You see this all the fucking time in video game circles. These people do not value video games as art yet want them to be called such.

>>724915870
Nice pivot. I'd ignore my point if I were you as well.

>>724914986
>>724915042
>*crickets*

>>724913347
>just trust the experts
What is the point of this label except to appeal to this crowd to begin with?
To soothe your ego?
>>724913869
>You're delusional
You're living under a rock.

>>724915993
Because you don't even understand where I'm coming from even after I explained it to you. You've just been calling me retarded over and over like a typical /v/irgin. Go find someone else to string along into a 100 post shitpost chain, I said my piece. Video games will never be art until the community around them changes and acknowledges them properly as such.

>>724916217
Giga cope of the century. You couldn't handle the tiniest pushback my man.

>>724911402
>>724911898
Yes, I am an adult man and I love playing with toys. Problem?

>>724861025 (OP)
>there will never be a vidya equivalent of Mona Lisa
>Ditto Moonlight Sonata
>Ditto Venus de Milo

See >>724861102

Deal with it hipster.

>>724913869
>"Artsy" stuff in every single medium is the minority of content.
As if critics don't influence entertainment standards just as much! As if the dividing line between entertainment and 'artsy' stuff is ever clear.

YOU DON'T EVEN MAKE THE DISTINCTION YOURSELF. WHY WOULD THEY?

>>724861025 (OP)
I’m currently playing an overhaul mod of FF12 called The Planetary Age that includes new spells and classes and am having a blast. It’s like a whole new game. I gave Penelo the alchemist job and a reverse hat and she’s been smiting things with potions. Balthier is my blue mage and he’s been shitting on groups with bubble breath and tremor. Ashe is my Bard and she keeps MP topped up and reduces damage to the party. Fran is my Druid who regens and shits out damage with wind, water, and earth. Basch is my trusty paladin that keeps focus with flash, locks down the undead, and heals. And Vaan is a ninja.

>>724914418
Content ratings here have been becoming somewhat less retarded in recent years, but it was worse