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>>724867568 (OP)
Did they stop killing games?

OI YOU GOT A LOICENCE FOR THAT DEBATE?

>>724867568 (OP)
12 minutes

>uk petition debate
sorry anons but this will be what happens
>the plebs want something
>HAHAHAHAHAH
>no

I think we should start killing games instead, let's begin with live service shit with predatory monetization and gacha games.

I saw this after signing the petition in the UK.

They will spend 1 minute on it with some out of touch MP saying how spending taxes regulating this is le bad when it could be used to house immigrants to rape/stab more white people only after being born here first.

>>724869896
This. The point of the UK Parliament Petitions are to fool the plebs into thinking they actually have any input. Can't risk them coming to the realisation that British "democracy" is a sham, they might end up taking matters into their own hands.

>>724871147
>>724869896
Given that Labour gave the go ahead for Age verification there is no way in hell anything happens with this while they are there.

The VISA shit should've been your wakeup call. There are forces in this world who will never stop until video games are no more.

ODDWORLD FUCK YEAH!

Starts in 12 hours? Tuned in and there's a guy giving a spiel already.

its up

>hellblade psychosis study at Cambridge
Wut?

Ross won

Kaizo Mario mentioned.

>>724867568 (OP)
>?si=4-_YWUAnAGueVsoG
fuck off glownigger

LOOK LOOK! I'M GAY!

>>724872148
Now they can't possible refuse the petition without becoming bigots.

Debate?

Surprisingly knowledgeable MPs. Didn't expect something like TF2 getting a source code release or Mario Maker kaizo levels to get mentioned. Think they're leaning too hard on "games are le good memories" rather than primarily focusing on the slam-dunk consumer's right issue.
Then again this debate probably won't go anywhere so whatever.

CONCORD MENTIONED

Concord mentioned

I get why but I hate that they have to sell their case with all this "the benefits of gaming" bullshit. Things are being sold with a baked in, arbitrary kill switch. That is more than enough reason to act.

Look at all these fucking GAMERS

The dundee guy fucked off lol.

>room is empty
The five gamers who showed up are going to win by default, why didn't the lobbyists send their cronies?

>>724871253
Tory bill, but Labor are morons.

>>724872828
lobbyists write the legislation

>>724872524
Here's your man for that one

He's cooking

UK petition delivered

Minister is just going to take all of these good arguments and go "Not against the law lol" and leave

So what is this exactly? The room's near empty. Just an opening where the gamers present their arguments and then that's it?

Pessimists killing themselves rn

>>724867568 (OP)
>uk petition
It doesn't make those old politicians any money, they have already insta-locked 'no' because lobbyists already told them to vote no on it.

>>724870340
Why have I seen this webm everywhere?

>>724873269
A small amount of elected representatives are providing the arguments of their constituents as to why they would back the petition and want to see change. In theory a minister from the government should be taking these on board and providing a reasonable response but they'll just discard it

>>724873467
>it will be discarded
>the people in the room don't discard
>well the next guy will discard it
I didn't know I was on Reddit

>>724873269
local representatives that can be bothered to turn up and make arguments to some lawmaker higher up on the food chain
they are also obligated to do it

>>724867568 (OP)
I think we should abolish online games.

Smart politicians know that gamer loyalty wins elections as proven by the past decade. They should all be keeping that in mind right now.

>>724867568 (OP)
>UK
lel. isn't that country FUBAR'd?

Reminder this is the same government that tried to remove Detroit Beyond human for supposedly 'advocating for abuse against children'

All these old geriatric fucks only think about living in their ivory towers.

>>724867568 (OP)
>UK
They don't give a shit about sandniggers killing brits so why would they care about games being killed?

>>724873269
>So what is this exactly?
A combination of MP's finding cross-floor allies for petitions they personally support or oppose, and performance democracy. There are no votes in westminster hall debates.

>>724873812
>Detroit Beyond Human
Literally not the same government. Also it's Detroit Become Human.

>>724873903
Apples and oranges. They all think the same way.

>>724867568 (OP)
>UK
I sleep

>>724873969
It was Australia. Not even the same country.

>>724869896
Pretty much, the online safty act got millions of votes and the gov basically told everyone to go fuck themselves.

>>724874060
Wrong. It was also discussed in the UK by MP's.

https://www.eurogamer.net/detroit-become-human-under-fire-for-controversial-domestic-abuse-scene

>>724874141
They unironically did make the internet safer though. I'm a Bong and since they passed that act literally everyone I know now uses a VPN, most of them had no idea they existed before.

>>724874321
If nothing else, the retardedness of the Online Safety Act might make some people more computer literate and more privacy conscious.

>it's too expensive for companies to support unprofitable games forever
HE DID THE THING

>>724874498
I'm not a normie all of my porn sites still work without a VPN

>>724874479
>We should do something and not create heavy handed laws that impede game creators big and small
vs
>We shouldn't do anything and not create heavy handed laws that impede game creators big and small

>think of the small poor companies
LMAO

>>724868437
Didn't people make edits of these two?

Have any points been made yet? Just tuned in to this woman waffling about funding.

>>724869896
yeah, they basically already said no
I have some hope for the EU, but absolutely none for the anglosphere

>>724874549
Holy shit they just keep banging this drum

>>724874646
>OY VEY, OUR COMPANIES MUST NOT HAVE THEIR MONEY TAKEN. WE NEED MORE MONEY FOR OUR SHITHOLE COUNTRY TO FUND NIGGERS AND KIKES

Lmao, this debate as fucking useless. Where is Guy Fawkes when you need him? They just drone on and on incessantly about nothing.

>>724875057
20 year old consumer rights gigachad stood up and said publishes shouldn't have a "deactivate sold product" button.

>>724867568 (OP)
>UK
nothingburger, they'll dismiss it

>current UK government
>doing anything positive for the little man
Not in this timeline.

Crash Bandicoot Mention

>Games have always been licensed, when you unwrapped a game from plastic you're accepting a license agreement
What a bunch of horseshit.

>>724875160
We have one warrior amongst the traitors.

>>724875403
It's what your manual says.

>Requiring an end of life plan for all games would fundamentally change how many games are developed
Yes, that is the point of the proposal. Who is this whore attempting to fool?

>children mentioned
it's over

>the government are coming for community servers
IT'S OVER

Took a while. It was starting to feel weird that there wasnt a corpo shill voice.

>WE
>COMPANIES
>MUST
>COMMUNICATE
>BETTER

Lmao, fuck off stupid whore. They are just talking about nothing. Also End of Life plans only affect games that are only online which is only a few games. Your license should not be revoked for a game at all, period.

Of course they would support the companies. They don't want third party support the same way they don't want people to use VPN's to bypass their stupid retard age verification.

>End of Life would hamper innovation
what

OH FUCKING HELL THIS WHORE WANTS TO FUCK OVER PRIVATE SERVERS UNDER THE ONLINE SAFETY ACT

>CHILDREN might be exposed to HARMFUL CONTENT in UNSUPPORTED GAMES so gamers deserve to get raped
I want this whore hanged by jumper cables

>>724875664
Companies don't want you to be able to play good, old games because they want you to always buy the new thing for $60, because that's $70 in their pocket and they really, really need that $90

>>724867568 (OP)
>?si=4-_YWUAnAGueVsoG
fucking subhuman scum

>>724875664
They're conflating End of Life plans with need to be developed in conjunction with the games development at all.

Basically, jew companies might be impacted on their ability to jew consumers out of money.

I love that the gov is using the online safety act as a fucking cudgel to beat literally everything that uses the internet into the fucking ground.

>>724875613
>>724875707
Gee it's almost like giving the government a foot in the door with shit was a bad idea.

>>724875520
The manual that can only be accessed upon unwrapping the game.

>literally nothing
who could've guessed

>>724875819
And the back of the box.

>>724867568 (OP)
This for the UK part which is still only part of the bigger picture, the more important one being the one in the EU.

>UK continues to be a shithole
lmfao

>>724875763
>>724875784
Game dev innovation is just now to take that hard earned money out of your wallet because they've shut down Monkey Ass Raper 3 servers and you have to buy the next, shittier PG friendly game Monkey Ass Patter instead.

WE WON

So someone give me a qrd what happened

>>724875707
>>724875787
Verifying your age protects children, nonce.

>>724875856
Point to it nigga

>>724875985
Nothing, except a woman going 'we understand video games, we love video games but no'

>>724873558
You were saying

>does everyone agree we met the barest minimum standard required of us to talke about this shit?
>yes
>cool, lets hit the bar

>>724876001
Remember when the internet used to have designated sites for kids rather than having to expect all the adult spaces to cater for them instead? I remember.

>>724875985
it's too expensive for companies to keep game servers running forever

>we only want legal access to games we already paid for
>BUT CHILDREN WHAT ABOUT MUCH CHILDREN THE CHILDREN PLAY THE OLD GAMES AND THEY GET GROOMED AND RAPED HERE

here's your """"""democracy""""""

>>724876076
This. Nobody is UK government is taking video games seriously. All these people see the internet as evil and dangerous because of evil right wing incels like the show Adolescence told me about. Games are just the same way.

>>724875985
Fundamental and deliberate misunderstanding of what the whole movement was about.

>>724876193
Boy that sure seems common in regards to this movement

>no one on the SKG side understands copyright or game dev still
>not only did company reps easily convince them that this was a stupid non-issue they used the foot in the door to ask them to regulate away community servers
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>724876183
It was over before it even began

>>724876302
It's easier to dismiss the whole thing as completely stupid than wade through the mire of consumer rights.

>>724876302
It's a strawman to avoid actually doing something. UK government did it on purpose because affecting their bottom lines with company money invested into the UK means they couldn't pay for more sandniggers to become UK citizens and then rape and kill white people.

>>724875985
It's not fair to expect all those small companies that are making online only games to come up with an end of life plan.

>>724876302
That's because the people that support it don't know or agree on what it's about and the author is literally mentally handicapped and incapable of properly delineating between different goals.

>>724876345
>regulate away community servers
Eh, Blizzard sued Turtle WoW recently and the response was "Lmao make us shut down."

>>724867568 (OP)
Can we finally just admit that """""democracy""""" is a meme and the only thing that changes anything is a violent revolution?
It might be silly thing to say over a video game issue, but it's just one of many examples of endless bullshitting and refusal to actually do anything for the people in favor of filling up their own pockets and handing over as much power to corporations as possible.

>>724867568 (OP)
>UK
don't care nigga this wont do shit, the UK is lost, post when real non muslim countries do something

>>724876469
This post glows.

>>724876457
wasn't their response a letter begging blizzard to make turtle wow official?

>>724876469
The normalfags need another election or two of absolutely nothing changing for the better to realize that.
It's extremely funny considering how many peaceful protests there have been for so many issues that haven't resulted in shit.

>>724876469
It's an example of bureaucracy doing the bare minimum to stay employed in a high paying job. They will only bend the knee to mounting social pressure the entire country gets behind.

I'm about 20 minutes in, is this actually going to matter? So far it's been them begging for consumer protections around vidya

>>724876469
>Government disappears people to foreign torture prisons without due process for being brown
Nothing to see here folks
>Government correctly interprets copyright law and refuses to put onerous limits on software development frameworks
CLETUS GET THE RIFLE

>>724876602
no
its the UK nothing ever gets better

I expect nothing from the UK gov and I'm still astounded by the subzero IQ levels they repeatedly showcase. They literally couldn't end that fucking debate fast enough, holy shit.

So... That's it? Will there be more?

shouldn't you bongs care more about "Stop Killing Limeys" instead of trying to revive Concord?

>>724876602
>Is this going to matter
As everyone with a brain has said since the petition went live: No.

>>724876561
No that came way later, that was their olivebranch.
In regards to the court summons they just laughed and refused, Blizzard is trying to RICO them but Blizzard doesn't even know their identities.

>>724867568 (OP)
>uk debate
The UK isn't part of it is it? The petition was EU only.
Is this some separate thing?

>>724876687
That's it. They debated the petition.

>>724876869
UK had a petition too that got to enough signatures to get a piss poor excuse for the debate.

>>724876667
They have to get on to things normalfags actually care about.

>retarded Mossman that doesn't understand copyright starts a petition
>Immediately people warn him that it's written like shit and makes no sense from an industry perspective
>Immediately people warn him that opening up this discussion this way will not go the way he wants and will invite worse shit
>Mossman and Roach Coach Gold attack detractors
>Turns out they were right all along
Everyone born before millennials were made retarded by lead
Everyone born after millennials were made retarded by plastics
None of you will ever learn

>>724876690
That wouldn't even make it into parliament. This only gets discussed because it doesn't matter and nothing is going to change.

>>724876690
Nah we don't want to cause a fuss, nothing wrong with some poor migrants coming over and getting a simple place to stay, hotel with multiple course meals, free education like piano lessons, top modules and knife sets with train tickets. So what if some bad eggs rape-stab some kids, nothing could have possibly been done about the known criminal that the police just talked too the night before about a different rape.

Pirate Software won
Haters keep seething

>>724877038
Normalfags are getting arrested for talking about things they care about, so that's not going well either

>>724874321
You are technically correct, which is the best kind of correct. Bonuspoints for it not being the kind of "safety" the politicians wanted, but actual anonymity.

>>724877138
Look I didn't say it was going to end well for them.

>>724877039
I dont' understand, I can still play Civ 2 multiplayer on my Windows 98 PC, what copyright is being violated by that?

>>724875985
Good to see first hand how the government doesnt actually give a fuck about its people concerns. It's even funnier seeing them use the shitpost arguments we already saw on /v/ before.

>>724877039
>muh copyright
Has nothing to do with keeping games playable offline

>>724877039
UK doesn't matter and I say this as a bong because our government is literally brain dead retarded.

EU actually care about consumer rights so I expect better.

>>724874321
VPNs will be outlawed in a few years tops.

>We can't stop companies from scamming people because it'd somehow harm the children
>GAAS being built around trying to get the players addicted on purpose, including games designed for children Nah that's fine lol

>>724875856
Point to it nigga

>>724876345
Absolutely shocking how my fucking retarded side used the precious time that has been given to them to actually find another argument to use instead of the one that has been shown to not work. Piratesoftware was using the same argument, the lobby boys used the same argument. IF YOU DON'T SEE THEM CHANGE THEIR ARGUMENT THAT MEANS THEY ARE NOT SCARED, THEY KNOW THAT WHATEVER YOU HAVE IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANY OPINIONS. You fucking used all this time to make fun of a retard on the internet instead of actually having someone who can have a better argument than the one that has been presented. Enjoy

And for the buffoons going "well we never stood a chance" . Yes we fucking did, this is not fighting against a God this is poor planning. Nobody came prepared to this meeting even when WE KNEW WHAT THE ARGUMENT TO FIGHT AGAINST WAS.

>>724877292
You can't outlaw VPN's. Businesses use them.

Even China fails at outlawing all VPN's, and that place is 1984.

>>724877281
>I-it'll be different in the EU!
I'm sorry anon
The petition doesn't stop being retarded by crossing borders.

>>724877292
British government already attempted to outlaw "encryption" because terrorists use it.
They couldn't figure out how to even begin.

>>724877039
>doesnt understand the movement
>tries to make fun of ross, doesnt even know who he is
>calls others retards
Kek

>>724877232
>>724877273
He probably thought "copyright" means whoever owns the rights to the distributed copies

>>724877501
EU have done a lot to protect consumers. UK genuinely doesn't care and is even more out of touch especially regarding the internet/technology.

>>724877329
Kids gambling away on their parent's credit card is fine, but a community hosted TF2 game? Oh that's dangerous, might get some far right views there and we can't have Timmy thinking it's bad that his little sister is getting stalked by browns after school.

>>724877376
That's the problem when your "movement" is basically a pop up cult centered around memes and vague grievance.
If you were to dare to suggest a change in tack then you're obviously a gay trans jew corpo shill.

I can't wait for all the future threads acting like this was the final decision from the EU petition just to stir shit.

>>724877623
Anon you can't just mainline copium like that you gotta pace yourself

>>724877383
Well then you can make VPNs require a loicense that's only issued to businesses.

>>724877329
>>724877632
The UK is currently requiring the game industry to come up with acceptable self-regulation on things like loot boxes under direct threat of application of gambling laws if they fail.

>>724877771
I did suggest changing the argument but i was bombarded with "falseflagger, shill,maldavius, no they will actually use somebody prepared, they are scared, we are winning" every step of the fucking way.

>>724877960
And not to be cynical but I will be shocked if they actually do anything in the next 4 years, instead of leaving it for the next government to implement shit.

>>724877894
It's fucking easy to get a business license even as a self employed.

>>724876049
Bottom left

>>724878109
Fair, but the point is that the UK government is NOT ok with little Timmy gambling away mom's visa limit

>>724868437
Would.
Both of them.

So the UK government just said shut up I got paid by the big publishers so you gamers get to bend over and be fucked?

>>724878281
Yes

>>724878234
Fair point. I'll wait until they do something useful about it. I half expect it to end up being a blanket age verification on games.

How was this a debate at all? Both sides just read what they had written in advance and then the government lady read what was written in advance so the government had already decided what they would say so the whole "debate" had no effect on anything

>>724878132
Yeah, because the government only cares about businesses and them making money so they can get their fair share.

Same reason they veto'd this whole thing. They don't want anything affecting the governments companies since it affects their bottom line as well.

>>724878234
They say that but have they done anything to stop it?

>>724877839
I mean you already have people deliberately misunderstanding the arguement and acting like anyone expected anything from the literal hellhole that is the fucking UK

>>724875520
It can say whatever the fuck it wants. That doesn't mean it's law.

>"Your honor, it's not rape. This game manual says I, as the current CEO of Fuck You Soft, Inc., have the right of prima nocte for any daughter of my costumers"
>"What do you mean that's horseshit and contempt for court?! If it says so in the manual, that means I have the right to do it!"

>>724878239
Kill yourself. I mean the retard on the left is a bit fuckable, but still...

>>724878281
No, stupid.

Here's what happened-
Government: so what's this about?
Corp reps: some people are mad that we turned off online games we own, here's the relevant precedents
Government: is there any risk to giving them what they want?
Reps: yes, it significantly limits software development
Government: ok sounds dumb
Reps: also while we're here you should probably interpret that online child safety act to mean community servers without age verification are illegal
Government: ok we'll look into it

>>724878597
low t