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Anonymous No.724875060 [Report] >>724875271 >>724876679 >>724876814 >>724876870 >>724876995 >>724877095 >>724877247 >>724878050 >>724878187 >>724879463 >>724880383 >>724881956 >>724882238 >>724885713 >>724887794 >>724889245 >>724889280 >>724889950 >>724891831 >>724892285 >>724893793 >>724894197 >>724894569 >>724897227 >>724898486 >>724898872 >>724899198 >>724899328 >>724902526 >>724903205 >>724903216 >>724906448 >>724908615 >>724909831 >>724910480 >>724910889 >>724911290
What do you think about the Sega Saturn?
Seems like everybody forgets this console ever existed. What is its legacy?
Anonymous No.724875271 [Report] >>724885041 >>724891553 >>724910889
>>724875060 (OP)
It's a piece of fucking shit.
Anonymous No.724875362 [Report] >>724901723 >>724907068
Outside of japan and usa most people don't even know it existed
Anonymous No.724876282 [Report] >>724876989
Good in japan, flopped miserably in NA because of retarded marketers
Anonymous No.724876679 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
overrated garbage.
Anonymous No.724876780 [Report]
The goat
Anonymous No.724876814 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
meme troon console
Anonymous No.724876870 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
Shmup and 2d fighting game machine but only in Japan. If you've hade one in Europe or America instead of playstation, I feel sorry for you.
Anonymous No.724876989 [Report] >>724878458 >>724878581
>>724876282
yeah is was totes because of the marketing and not the woefully lackluster library.
Anonymous No.724876995 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
a nail in sega's coffin. not the first but certainly not the last
Anonymous No.724877095 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
In Japan it has a great fucking library. Then they didnt release any of it in English
Anonymous No.724877128 [Report] >>724878339 >>724879709 >>724880701
It has over 1,000 games, but few people outside Japan know the library in depth.
It was infinitely superior than the Nintendo 64 as well, but because the history of gaming is largely written by Americans, you will see more coverage of Nintendo 64 games than Saturn's, even though the latter is a capable videogame console while the former was one of the most bizarre things ever made, which only resulted in games that look like shit.
Anonymous No.724877173 [Report]
It's legacy is that it doesn't have one. Everyone either had a PlayStation or N64. No-one gives two shits about the Saturn. Not even Sega.
Anonymous No.724877247 [Report] >>724908627
>>724875060 (OP)
>everybody forgets this console ever existed
I didn't. I play Rockman X4, KOF 97, Zero4 TypeR, and many other beat-em-ups on it.
Anonymous No.724878050 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
Sucked in the usa because you couldn't find a game. Most always never stocked Saturn games and had PSP/Vita shelf space. This was before you could buy games online so your selection was only your local stores. Never saw Guardian Heroes, Burning Rangers, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Virtual On or any other games on shelfs. All I saw was VF2, Virtua Cop 2 and Clockwork Knight that rotted on the shelf
Anonymous No.724878187 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
Its only legacy is murdering Sega. There's nothing it did that wasn't done better elsewhere.
Anonymous No.724878278 [Report]
Piece of shit liked by hipsters that pretend to like japanese games, not even real weebs.
Anonymous No.724878339 [Report] >>724903316
>>724877128
>It was infinitely superior than the Nintendo 64, which had multiple groundbreaking titles that changed gaming forever.
yeah Virtual Hydlide sure was infinitely superior to Ocarina of Time lmao
Anonymous No.724878458 [Report] >>724878851
>>724876989
....the woefully lackluster library was BECAUSE of the shitty marketing team deciding to surprise-launch the console 4 months early.
Anonymous No.724878581 [Report] >>724878851
>>724876989
I'm not that anon, but I literally didn't know what the Saturn around 2002 or so when I was wondering if SEGA would make another console. I learned that the Saturn wasn't the name of their next one, but the name of the one that came before the Dreamcast.
Anonymous No.724878851 [Report] >>724879579 >>724889754
>>724878458
now explain why it was still woefully lackluster 3 years later in 1998.

>>724878581
>wondering if SEGA would make another console.
>in 2002.
you...hadn't heard of the Dreamcast by 2002?
Anonymous No.724879336 [Report]
senna on the saturn
Anonymous No.724879463 [Report] >>724879718 >>724897572
>>724875060 (OP)
some excellent standouts like the Panzer Dragoon series and Shining Force 3, and a number of enticing games that stayed in Japan like Princess Crown
a good amount of interest in it is bullt on what we couldnt play at the time

US presence and library mismanaged into the ground by Bernie Stolar, who somehow kept his job into the Dreamcast era before selling the company's sould to Microsoft
Anonymous No.724879579 [Report] >>724879994
>>724878851
>you...hadn't heard of the Dreamcast by 2002?
nta but read it again
he's saying that, in 2002, he was wondering if Sega would release a successor to the Dreamcast
Anonymous No.724879709 [Report] >>724886651 >>724889434 >>724898408
>>724877128
>It has over 1,000 games
yeah if you count the same game released in 4 regions as a separate game. otherwise it's down to like 700 or so.

and you have like 200 which are VNs or Anime Mahjong or Virtua Fighter CG Portrait Collection Volume 69.

>It was infinitely superior than the Nintendo 64 as well
low hanging fruit, N64 had what, six great games? and the amount each cart cost, you could get a PSX with two dozen titles.
Anonymous No.724879718 [Report] >>724880923 >>724881519
>>724879463
>blaming the US for the Saturn's failure
why didn't those stupid gaijin translate Aponashi Girls: Olympos or Bishoujo Hanafuda Kikou Michinoku Hitou Koi Monogatari Special??? it would have saved the Saturn!!!!
Anonymous No.724879994 [Report] >>724895314
>>724879579
ta but reading it again doesn't fix the grammar. is there supposed to be a "was" between the words Saturn and around?
regardless, i'm gonna say it's obvious that anon is not American. not because of the grammar, but because American kids definitely knew the Saturn existed. you could walk into any department store or game shop and play on a Saturn kiosk, touch the games.
Anonymous No.724880245 [Report] >>724880409 >>724880527
Unironically better than PS1.
>But muh multi disc FMV JRPGS for little baby faggots!!
I don't care.
Anonymous No.724880383 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
Cotton machine
Anonymous No.724880409 [Report]
>>724880245
trans by the way
Anonymous No.724880527 [Report]
>>724880245
>I don't care.
know who did care? SEGA. that's why they tried to copy it.
here's your FF7 killer, bro
Anonymous No.724880609 [Report] >>724894496
It has some pretty cool games. I don't regret owning one
Anonymous No.724880701 [Report]
>>724877128
Because the Saturn never had an actual Sonic game, which are the only Sega games people give a fuck about in America. You just had Sonic R and some ports.
Anonymous No.724880923 [Report] >>724882007
>>724879718
>hurr durr cherrypicked example equals all cases fallacy
Bernie Stolar murdered the system early in the console's life when he said "the Saturn is not Sega's future", drastically killling western dev interest
Bernie actively blocked many 2D titles from being translated, trying and failing to compete with Sony on the 3D front
Sony got to become king of RPGs in America in part because Sega of America wouldn't approve many JP Saturn RPGs being released internationally
there's also the mismanagement of who got to create a new Sonic gane for the system, with US teams doing stupid shit like not checking to see if they we're allowed to use JP teams' engines and Yuji Naka getting pissed off as a result

would it have beaten Sony in the market longterm? Probably not. Would the brand have stayed stronger in the west with better leadership? Probably
bare minimum it would have a stronger legacy than being that console whose good games were never localized
Anonymous No.724881519 [Report] >>724882263
>>724879718
Unironically yes, localizing more Japanese anime games at a time when North America was undergoing its biggest anime boom would have led to much higher sales.
Anonymous No.724881956 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
lots of untranslated JP-only gems
ps: SoA is to blame for everything
Anonymous No.724882007 [Report] >>724882198 >>724889415
>>724880923
>thinking kids, teens or the average consumer gave a fuck about something Stolar said at E3 1997 instead of wondering where the fuck is Sonic
>thinking western devs could even compete with Japanese devs in '97
>why didn't that stupid gaijin Stolar block the translation of 2D titles like Elf wo Karu Monotachi or Gekka no Kishi: Ouryuusen??? it would have saved the Saturn!!!!
>believing 3D was not extremely hot and most developers were focusing on it
>believing that if any of those RPGs had been released, they wouldn't have been immediately steamrolled by FF7 anyway
>no Sonic
yeah that one i can agree with

>Would the brand have stayed stronger in the west with better leadership?
for about 2 months. the Saturn's funky architecture was its biggest downfall. every single developer that worked on Saturn titles have said what a nightmare it was to get performance out of. 3D was the future and Saturn was dragging behind. just like arcades were dying but SEGA still kept relying on arcade ports until the very end.
Anonymous No.724882198 [Report]
>>724882007
>3D was the future and Saturn was dragging behind. just like arcades were dying but SEGA still kept relying on arcade ports until the very end.
The irony being if the Saturn had stronger 3D architecture then the Saturn could've had much better and more impressive arcade ports.
Anonymous No.724882238 [Report] >>724883610
>>724875060 (OP)
Symphony of the Night's bonus content is trapped on this piece of shit with its permanently fucked up resolution, what a disaster.
Anonymous No.724882263 [Report] >>724882519 >>724882941
>>724881519
Supposedly they had multiple anime games planned for localization per the leaked '97 document, including Devil Summoner (which would have been REALLY nice to get since right now it doesn't even have a fan TL) and Sakura Wars. But I do think that the console's launch ruined everything; no matter what they brought over, it would not help the situation much
Anonymous No.724882519 [Report] >>724882941
>>724882263
Oh yeah the launch and still trying to keep support for the Genesis via the 32X killed it. Those two decisions plus gimping the library were a one-two-three of the most braindead corporate decisions possible. Any one of them could've killed the Saturn individually and they did all three.
Sakura Wars especially, that would have been prime for multimedia hype in the era of shows like Sailor Moon and Cardcaptor Sakura being brought over to the west.
Anonymous No.724882941 [Report] >>724883363 >>724885446
>>724882263
the bad launch could have been mitigated by better games. the problem is SEGA didn't have better games.
nothing was going to beat Mario 64 or Zelda.
nothing was going to beat FF7 or MGS.

>>724882519
the 32X was the real fuckup, for sure.
but Cardcaptor Sakura wasn't translated until 2000 and the Saturn was done by '98.
anime had just started to break into the mainstream by '98 thanks to things like the Scifi channel's Saturday Anime.
Anonymous No.724883363 [Report] >>724884281
>>724882941
I was just using CCS as an example along with Sailor Moon to indicate that there would have been room for Sakura Wars to become popular as both a game and anime (if the series was made before 2000) in the west at the time.
Anonymous No.724883610 [Report] >>724898487
>>724882238
It sucks however
>I understand why fans who've never played the Saturn version would be interested in those features, but I really, really don't feel good about them. I couldn't put my name on that stuff and present it to Castlevania fans.
>—Koji Igarashi, June 2007, on the Saturn port[45]
Anonymous No.724884281 [Report] >>724885268 >>724886730 >>724889128
>>724883363
The funny thing about Sakura Wars is that all of its animated adaptations (OVAs, TV anime, movies) were dubbed and its manga adaptation was published. Everything but the source material was localized and brought to the US
Anonymous No.724884578 [Report] >>724885446 >>724885664 >>724886209
I'm planning to buy one. Is it easy tp jailbreak? I refuse to participate in the retarded and sweaty retro game market, but I found a fully functional Sanyo crt in the dumpster that I'm ready to play some shmups on. Plus it's just a great looking console with a nice looking controller
Anonymous No.724885041 [Report]
>>724875271
blessed fpbp
Anonymous No.724885268 [Report] >>724885647
>>724884281
Sega had exactly one major hit in the 90s, Sonic, and failed to realize they needed to put the same amount of faith in their other properties with multimedia investments. They only recently started figuring it out with RGG.
Anonymous No.724885446 [Report] >>724886102 >>724886209 >>724902962
>>724884578
the console is cheap, i got it in the box for about 15 dollars in japan. 5 years ago there was a guy making flash carts but he was based in hong kong and they cost like $60 and he was the only source iirc. idk about now
>>724882941
>nothing was going to beat Mario 64 or Zelda.
>nothing was going to beat FF7 or MGS.
panzer dragoon and radiant silvergun beat those kiddy games/walking sims
Anonymous No.724885647 [Report] >>724885806
>>724885268
only amerimutts gave a shit about söynic. sega was huge in japan
Anonymous No.724885664 [Report] >>724886102
>>724884578
it's kind of too primitive to jailbreak, more a modchip situation
look for an ODE (optical drive emulator) device like the Saroo that can be used to load isos
Anonymous No.724885713 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
garbage system that sold like shit state side. if you read japanese its a god send.
Anonymous No.724885806 [Report]
>>724885647
Good thing the reply chain is about the Saturn failing in America.
Anonymous No.724886102 [Report] >>724886408 >>724886460
>>724885446
>>724885664

My big thing is hoing to be able to play english isos too. I wouldn't mind hardware mods if it means that I can play english games too. So a japanese saturn is worth buying if you want to play english games? Or is that impossible without something like an Action replay?
Anonymous No.724886209 [Report] >>724889636
>>724884578
You can buy a Saroo cartridge for $50 or so that stores whatever games you want on an SD card. All you have to do is stick it in the slot and it just werks
>>724885446
>he was the only source iirc. idk about now
No longer the case. Anyone can make one
Anonymous No.724886408 [Report] >>724889580
>>724886102
the mods bypass the region lock
Anonymous No.724886460 [Report] >>724889580
>>724886102
the saroo should be able to load isos of any region
I have read that translation hacks like Princess Crown, Sakura Wars, and Dragon Force 2 work on real hardware
Anonymous No.724886651 [Report] >>724887137 >>724889569
>>724879709
N64 had at least 50 great games, people always sell the console short.
Anonymous No.724886730 [Report] >>724887442
>>724884281
Is the animated stuff any good?
Anonymous No.724887137 [Report] >>724889825
>>724886651
americans overrate it. it had a worse catalog than the saturn and playstation.
Anonymous No.724887442 [Report] >>724888183
>>724886730
TV anime is an adaptation of the game but with some stuff added (the first few episodes show the theater before Ogami arrives) and removed (everything Biblical, which kinda sucks since the finale of the game revolves around it)
Everything else are just side stories that vary in quality, if you want more of these characters you'll probably enjoy it
Anonymous No.724887794 [Report] >>724888198
>>724875060 (OP)
Part of the 3-way tie for my favorite console alongside PS2 and Dreamcast. It played host to some fantastic shmups and fighting games.
Anonymous No.724888183 [Report] >>724888413
>>724887442
>Biblical
Excuse me? I thought that was a dating sim with robot battles on the side.
Anonymous No.724888198 [Report] >>724888360
>>724887794
I would recommend you the xbox 360
Anonymous No.724888360 [Report]
>>724888198
Have one, love it, almost as much as those three. Mushi Futari was the game that convinced me to buy one.
Anonymous No.724888413 [Report]
>>724888183
The final boss is literally Satan and one of the supporting characters is revealed to have been archangel Michael in disguise. Game unironically ends with the "you gotta repent bro there's no sin God can't forgive" message
Anonymous No.724889128 [Report]
>>724884281
That's because they came out in the early 00s when every Anime that existed got english releases even fucking Mahou Shoujo Ai. Eventually it got to the point that japanese studios flat out stopped licensing things for English releases because the otakus in Japan started ordering the english releases instead (in Japan, an OVA is 1 ep per DVD at full price, while the USA release was 1 DVD for 6+ episodes with original jap sound intact... and also no censoring).

we had sooooo much uncensored hentai DVDs released at the time.
Anonymous No.724889245 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
Rushed everything.
Second CPU grafted on board without a memory controller that could actually schedule memory access between them.
No integrated video decoder made FMVs look like shit compared to PS1.
Changed the release date at the last minute without warning retailers and developers, as a result most early english releases were unfinished and needed a re-release later in the year.
Anonymous No.724889280 [Report] >>724889723
>>724875060 (OP)
Second best console from that generation after the ps1.
I still play it to this day because i am still discovering cool games on it.
Anonymous No.724889415 [Report]
>>724882007
Saturns funky architecture was just the 3d chip sucking ass and you needing to learn how to use the 2nd CPU and the DSP. But those got figured out even back in the day, by 1997-8 you got Sonic R and Quake which did things that looked PS1 level easily.
Anonymous No.724889434 [Report]
>>724879709
>yeah if you count the same game released in 4 regions as a separate game. otherwise it's down to like 700 or so.
No. It has 1028 individual games.
Anonymous No.724889530 [Report]
shining force 3 has cute girls
Anonymous No.724889569 [Report] >>724889843 >>724889903 >>724890042
>>724886651
Mario 64, Zelda, Goldeneye, Conker, and what else?
If you are crazy about Pokemons I suppose it had 1-2 more.

Don't tell me shit like Turok or Perfect Dark is what you consider "good".
Anonymous No.724889580 [Report]
>>724886460
>>724886408

Thanks for the info, anons. Japanese saturn it is since they're half the price right now.
Anonymous No.724889636 [Report]
>>724886209
>All you have to do is stick it in the slot and it just werks
The saturn cart slot is notoriously terrible. Getting third party carts to work is a total crapshoot. You have to stick them in at the precise angle and the slightest bump or movement will dislodge it.
Anonymous No.724889723 [Report]
>>724889280
If you like shmups, I'd recommend a couple of little-known ones: Soukyugurentai and Kingdom Grand Prix, the latter of which is a bizarre shmups/racing game hybrid. Both games are by based Raizing.
Anonymous No.724889754 [Report] >>724890485 >>724892091
>>724878851
because devs were pissed off at the shitty surprise launch and went to competing consoles instead

it's not that deep you retard
Anonymous No.724889825 [Report]
>>724887137
I'm not american and I love the n64
Anonymous No.724889843 [Report]
>>724889569
nta but Mischief Makers and Wonder Project J2 are pretty good, if niche
Sin and Punishment is a damn good shooter too
Anonymous No.724889903 [Report] >>724890349
>>724889569
i would put perfect dark over goldeneye or conker
for me all it has is sin & punishment and fzero x. the bomberman games were nice too if you like kiddy games. that nigger probably has slop like glover and banjo in his 50
Anonymous No.724889950 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
I only got this system back then to play Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 at home.
Anonymous No.724890042 [Report] >>724890217 >>724890349 >>724892197 >>724899582
>>724889569
the good games on n64 are
mario 64
ocarina of time (overrated tho imo and btfo by majora)
majoras mask
kirby 64 (even though this is a weaker kirby game)
mystical ninja starring goemon
mischief makers
sin and punishment
everything else is shit or a product of its time
Anonymous No.724890217 [Report] >>724890353
>>724890042
Truth nuke.
Anonymous No.724890349 [Report] >>724892197
>>724890042
>>724889903
fuck i forgot goemon
Anonymous No.724890353 [Report] >>724898893
>>724890217
Thanks for the upvote faggot
Anonymous No.724890485 [Report]
>>724889754
>lil bro thinks CAPCOM went "wow that surprise launch 3 years ago really ticked us off and THAT'S why we're not putting RE2 on the Saturn, not because we literally can't get it to work with its fucked up architecture!"
Anonymous No.724891553 [Report]
>>724875271
disgusting faggot
Anonymous No.724891831 [Report] >>724891904
>>724875060 (OP)
For many years I wished I had gotten one so I could play the sequel to Beyond Oasis on the genesis. I finally did and you know what? Legend of Oasis isnt' as good as Beyond.
Anonymous No.724891904 [Report] >>724893547
>>724891831
same except replace with Dark Savior
Anonymous No.724892091 [Report]
>>724889754
The saturn had way more third party games than the n64 and was getting the same multiplats as the ps1 in the beginning. The ports only stopped after the saturn turned out to be a failure.
Anonymous No.724892197 [Report]
>>724890042
>mystical ninja starring goemon
>>724890349
>fuck i forgot goemon
Anonymous No.724892285 [Report] >>724892965 >>724895665
>>724875060 (OP)
It was an arcade port console in an era when people wanted to play OoT, MGS, Gran Turismo, Resident Evil and Tomb Raider.
Anonymous No.724892737 [Report] >>724900849 >>724901260 >>724905159
This is my first time ever playing a Saturn game.
And boy does it suck having to emulate without actually having 6 face buttons though it doesn't seem like this game uses them all anyway.
I'm having fun, but this game was never released in the west anyway so I guess it doesn't even count.
Is there anything else I should actually be playing that I otherwise couldn't experience elsewhere in 2025?
Anonymous No.724892965 [Report] >>724893069
>>724892285
>OoT, MGS, Gran Turismo, Resident Evil and Tomb Raider.
movie games
Anonymous No.724893069 [Report] >>724893380
>>724892965
right, the future.
Anonymous No.724893380 [Report] >>724894403
>>724893069
fuck the future
Anonymous No.724893547 [Report]
>>724891904
I mean I'm still glad I went on ebay and bought one ten years ago. I got lucky and it came with Legend of Oasis and Guardian Heroes. And the lady selling it didn't give a fuck about it. Shame the west never got the full Shining Force 3 game as a Shining Force fan.
Anonymous No.724893793 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
Loses to the PS1 but mogs the N64
Anonymous No.724894197 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
it does not exist until that day when you somehow get into 2D arcade games and suddenly it's fucking awesome
Anonymous No.724894403 [Report]
>>724893380
it's coming on
Anonymous No.724894431 [Report] >>724894857
3 games on the n64 is already a more worthwhile experience than 100 games on the saturn
Anonymous No.724894496 [Report]
>>724880609
>cotton 2
my absolute nigga
Anonymous No.724894569 [Report] >>724894828
>>724875060 (OP)
Sega were retarded and kept a shit ton of games in Japan only.
Anonymous No.724894751 [Report]
there is not a single Japan-only release that would have saved the Saturn.
Anonymous No.724894828 [Report] >>724895072
>>724894569
>grandia, on of the best games of the generation is jp only
>the shitass ps1 port does get released
MAKE IT MAKE SENSE
Anonymous No.724894857 [Report]
>>724894431
Some would say that wuz teh 3 launch titles all along
Anonymous No.724895072 [Report] >>724895204
>>724894828
>game releases at the very end of 1997
>Saturn was doing so bad, some retailers were selling it brand new for $20 by the beginning of 1998
>didn't want to bother releasing it for a failing console
makes perfect sense
Anonymous No.724895163 [Report]
>What is its legacy?
People pretending it had one.
Anonymous No.724895204 [Report] >>724895343
>>724895072
N-no, everyone loved it way more than ff7 and it would've saved the saturn! You don't remember John Grandia being more recognizable than cloud when the ps1 port released?
Anonymous No.724895314 [Report] >>724896039
>>724879994
>but because American kids definitely knew the Saturn existed
I'm the anon you're referencing, I'm American and I did not know the Saturn existed at all until after Dreamcast had already been out for years and was discontinued.
Anonymous No.724895343 [Report] >>724895438
>>724895204
Grandia is leagues better than FF7
Anonymous No.724895438 [Report] >>724895606
>>724895343
Ok but do you understand that you personally liking it more does not mean that everyone else thought the same thing in 1997?
Anonymous No.724895507 [Report]
Sega was for arcade ports, but consoles had already made arcade style games archaic. Sega was better at refresh rates but worse at colour range.
Anonymous No.724895575 [Report] >>724895658 >>724895708
>(saturn shit) is better than (insert other systems' top sellers here)
Saturnfags, am I right?
Anonymous No.724895606 [Report] >>724895652 >>724895829
>>724895438
Why would anyone like a broken port with glitchy graphics a non-working map because of RAM issues and sound problems everywhere?
Are you pretending to be retarded?
Anonymous No.724895652 [Report] >>724895924
>>724895606
Grandia was not more popular than ff7 in japan either.
Anonymous No.724895658 [Report] >>724895724
>>724895575
>popular is better
Anonymous No.724895665 [Report] >>724898886
>>724892285
>It was an arcade port console in an era when people wanted to play OoT, MGS, Gran Turismo, Resident Evil and Tomb Raider.
You can play arcade games only for so long.
Anonymous No.724895708 [Report]
>>724895575
haha yeah candy crush fortnite and fifa? those are some killer games
miss me with that non top seller shit
Anonymous No.724895724 [Report] >>724895984
>>724895658
Yes, the PS1 and N64 are better than the Saturn, glad we're on the same page.
Anonymous No.724895829 [Report]
>>724895606
why would anyone buy a Saturn?
Anonymous No.724895924 [Report] >>724896013
>>724895652
That's nice sweety.
Anonymous No.724895984 [Report] >>724896073
>>724895724
>n64
>better at anything
is trash,it always was. the only ones who defend it are insufferable Nintendo fans.
Anonymous No.724896001 [Report]
it had no games
just like PS3
Anonymous No.724896013 [Report] >>724896226
>>724895924
Ok so why would grandia save the saturn when ff7 was so much popular?
Anonymous No.724896039 [Report] >>724896303
>>724895314
nah, that's pretty impossible.
unless your parents locked you in a closet and homeschooled you and the only entertainment you had was issues of Zoobooks slid under the crack.
Saturn advertisements were everywhere, along with celebrity endorsements.
you're telling me you never went to a game store? you never went to a Toys R Us? never went to a Target? or a Sears? or a Montgomery fucking Wards? dude, literally every department store had a Saturn kiosk.
if you didn't know it existed, it's because you literally did not play games or visit the game department of any store.
Anonymous No.724896073 [Report] >>724896960
>>724895984
That's nice sweety, history disagrees with you.
The N64 outsold the saturn in the americas, europe, and did almost as well as the saturn in japan.
You can keep coping.
Anonymous No.724896226 [Report] >>724896358 >>724896381
>>724896013
I don't understand what ff7 has to do with the saturn not getting half its library.
Most importantly all the capcom fighting games.
Anonymous No.724896303 [Report] >>724896491 >>724896702
>>724896039
My experience walking through Toys R Us, Target, Funcoland and the like during that time were exclusively Nintendo 64 and PlayStation. I do not recall having seen anything Saturn related and, if they were there, it was probably in an area off in a corner or in a significantly smaller space outside of view.
Anonymous No.724896358 [Report] >>724896603 >>724897204
>>724896226
Because none of those games were big killer apps like mario 64 or crash bandicoot or ff7.
>all the capcom fighting games.
I don't think that a darkstalkers port was gonna convince people to pick up a saturn instead of a playstation.
Anonymous No.724896381 [Report] >>724896603
>>724896226
>I don't understand what killer apps causing the console to be utterly crushed in the market has to do with the decision to spend more money porting games for a dying platform
Anonymous No.724896491 [Report] >>724897490
>>724896303
Most retailers straight up refused to carry Saturn products because they weren't involved in the early launch.
Anonymous No.724896603 [Report] >>724896725 >>724896905 >>724897203
>>724896358
>apps
>>724896381
>apps

Same zoomer on 2 devices huh

Anyways the saturn outsold the n64 in japan and is only a million or so behind the ps1.
The reason it flopped is bad decisions by non-japan sega.
Anonymous No.724896702 [Report]
>>724896303
the places mentioned always had a sizeable Sega section, anon. you are either not American or you were not alive back then or were like 4 years old.
let's say you somehow managed to stumble through someplace like Toys R Us or Funcoland and managed to completely miss the Sega sections. why didn't you ever go look at them, even out of curiosity?
are you also telling me you never read any gaming magazines? because all of them reported on the Saturn.
what are you even trying to say?
>I only ever looked at the Nintendo and Sony sections of game stores and never even glanced at the Sega sections also I exclusively read Nintendo Power and PSM only! Gosh, how come I never heard of this Sega console????
lmao
Anonymous No.724896725 [Report] >>724896775 >>724896917
>>724896603
nta but the term "killer app" was coined in the mid-80s and did apply to console games through influence from the PC side.
Anonymous No.724896775 [Report]
>>724896725
LOL
Anonymous No.724896905 [Report] >>724897269
>>724896603
That phrase has existed for decades you fucking retard.
>Anyways the saturn outsold the n64 in japan and is only a million or so behind the ps1.
Yes, because of the first few years where japs bought it to play virtua fighter, not because of some fucking random jrpg that released after the console was already flatlining in sales. Holy shit do at least a little bit of fucking research before your smug midwit shitposting.
Anonymous No.724896917 [Report]
>>724896725
Sure but only browns use that word and they tend to be zoomers
Anonymous No.724896960 [Report] >>724897162
>>724896073
>That's nice sweety, history disagrees with you.
If that's your argument, then N64shitters should sit down and shut the fuck up because the PS1 outsold it 3 times over kek
Anonymous No.724897162 [Report]
>>724896960
And the nintendo 64 outsold the saturn worldwide.
So saturnfags should sit down and shut the fuck up. I await your cope response, saturn sissy.
Anonymous No.724897203 [Report]
>>724896603
>the saturn outsold the n64 in japan
By a small margin.
>is only a million or so behind the ps1
Not even close, the PSX dominated in Japan.

Saturnfags are really fucking sad with how they try and replace reality with their headcanon.
Anonymous No.724897204 [Report] >>724897257
>>724896358
>Because none of those games were big killer apps like mario 64 or crash bandicoot or ff7.
Because they never had the chance to become big?
How can people buy these games if Sega doesn't sell them in the west?
Anonymous No.724897227 [Report] >>724899024
>>724875060 (OP)
you will like it if you like RPGs

if you like other genres you will hate it

the best games on saturn and the sega cd are RPGs
Anonymous No.724897257 [Report] >>724897325
>>724897204
>Because they never had the chance to become big?
If they were gonna be big then why were they never big in japan?
Anonymous No.724897269 [Report] >>724897380
>>724896905
Backpedaling retard. Actual embarrassing display. Get your sorry ass outta here.
Anonymous No.724897325 [Report] >>724897458
>>724897257
Zelda wasn't big in japan either buddy.
Anonymous No.724897380 [Report] >>724897528
>>724897269
Explain why grandia would save the saturn in the west while it didn't do shit in japan. What about grandia appeals to the west more?
Anonymous No.724897458 [Report]
>>724897325
I knew saturntards were delusional, but I didn't think they were THIS delusional.
Anonymous No.724897490 [Report]
>>724896491
True, which is unfortunate since I probably would have asked for one if I knew they existed. Prior to getting the PS1, I already had a Genesis and loved it, so if we knew the Saturn existed, I may have at least asked for that even if it wasn't available at most retailers. I do appreciate my parents for having me covered regardless, though. Having both an N64 and a PS1 during that time was fantastic.

As for how the Dreamcast came up, my cousin ended up getting a Dreamcast close (and he also never had a Saturn or knew it existed). After going to his house and playing Sonic Adventure and THPS (both were on a demo disc) I remember being blown away that SEGA somehow jumped from the Genesis straight to Dreamcast. I was blown away in general by it. Not long after that I remember asking for one and being told they weren't making anymore of them. The internet was still fairly new at the time and even though I basically just used it for cheat codes on gamefaqs, I remember stumbling across the Sega Saturn somehow and wondered if that was a new upcoming console. Obviously doing a little bit of reading on it I learned it was the console that came between the Genesis and Dreamcast.
Anonymous No.724897528 [Report] >>724897587
>>724897380
Because you are so angry about and hung up on grandia for some reason your eternal seething about it would create a parallel universe where it eclipses tetris in a month.
Now take your meds.
Anonymous No.724897572 [Report]
>>724879463
>Bernie Stolar
>kept his job into the Dreamcast era
He was fired shortly before the American release.
Anonymous No.724897587 [Report] >>724897624
>>724897528
Name one game that would've managed to compete with FF7 and crash bandicoot.
Anonymous No.724897624 [Report] >>724897807 >>724897860
>>724897587
Grandia.
Anonymous No.724897807 [Report] >>724897907
>>724897624
Why didn't it compete with ff7 in japan? What about grandia appeals to the west more?
Anonymous No.724897860 [Report]
>>724897624
Then why didn't it push saturn units?
Anonymous No.724897907 [Report] >>724898002
>>724897807
You weren't seething hard enough. I just explained this.
Anonymous No.724897936 [Report] >>724898107
So Sega just ported a bunch of arcade games to the Saturn and when that dried up, they had nothing else?
Anonymous No.724898002 [Report]
>>724897907
What?
Anonymous No.724898070 [Report] >>724898362 >>724898436
>Yeah I'm a huge fan of the Sega Saturn, how could you tell?
Anonymous No.724898107 [Report] >>724898403
>>724897936
and after watching that strategy fail, they said
>Hey we should do the exact same with the Dreamcast.
Sega was always too retarded to live.
Anonymous No.724898173 [Report] >>724898312
>30 year old console
>retards still having a consolewar about it
you are all pathetic
Anonymous No.724898312 [Report] >>724898835
>>724898173
I agree, it's pathetic how Saturnfags constantly start shit with PS1 and N64 fans and try and trick people into thinking this piece of shit was ever good.
Anonymous No.724898362 [Report]
>>724898070
You posted an N64 tendie.
A Saturn fan would be Ken-sama.
Anonymous No.724898403 [Report] >>724898590
>>724898107
>and after watching that strategy fail, they said
>>Hey we should do the exact same with the Dreamcast.
>Sega was always too retarded to live.
Grim.
But what else could they have done?
For the Dreamcast they poured an abysmal amount of money into Shenmue. Which was going full retard in the other direction imo.
Anonymous No.724898408 [Report] >>724898582 >>724898858 >>724901845 >>724902031
>>724879709
There are 35 VN's on the saturn and 89 Mahjong/Shogi/Board Game games.
Anonymous No.724898424 [Report]
I THINK PANZER DRAGOON SAGA SUCKS
Anonymous No.724898436 [Report]
>>724898070
I would like to think any self respecting Saturn autist would use gel to spike their hair. It's the right thing to do. Your image is not my image of a Saturn devotee.
Anonymous No.724898486 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
Too little too late.
Also marvel vs capcom.
Anonymous No.724898487 [Report]
>>724883610
Considering the game was deisgned, directed, programmed, and produced by Toru Hagihara, i don't think Igarashi's name should be anywhere near SOTN either.
Anonymous No.724898582 [Report] >>724898805
>>724898408
>and 89 Mahjong/Shogi/Board Game games.
Holy fuck.
How many times can you play Mahjong with slightly different visuals?
Anonymous No.724898590 [Report] >>724898740
>>724898403
>But what else could they have done?
make better games that weren't designed for the arcade market would have been a pretty good move.
>Shenmue
honestly i liked Shenmue. i still have mad nostalgia for it. 1, that is.
Nagoshi says he left after 1 because he didn't like the direction the game was going in, and when you play 2, i think you can see what he meant.
Anonymous No.724898740 [Report] >>724898947
>>724898590
>Nagoshi says he left after 1 because he didn't like the direction the game was going in, and when you play 2, i think you can see what he meant.
The guy that shouldered Yakuza for decades worked on Shenmue? Wtf! What a chad
Anonymous No.724898805 [Report]
>>724898582
They're cheap and easy to make with rule sets that anyone in Japan can easily pick up, so if you're Japanese you just buy the one you like the most.
Anonymous No.724898835 [Report] >>724899131
>>724898312
you are over 30 if you are about this pointless 90s drama
how do you say shit like this and not feel sorry for your parents
Anonymous No.724898858 [Report]
>>724898408
>124 games are dedicated to visual novel "games" and board game shovelware shit
woah, so this is the sega saturn's amazing huge library I keep hearing about... one can only imagine what the other 900 games are...
Anonymous No.724898872 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
I haven't played it very much. My cousin had one, but the only game he owned was Bug.
Anonymous No.724898886 [Report] >>724899021 >>724906302
>>724895665
Arcade games are way more re-playable than long winded crap like OOT and MGS.
Those are 1 and done games but throw on Elevator Action Returns right now and i'll gladly replay it for the 50th time.
Anonymous No.724898893 [Report]
>>724890353
Shut the fuck up, nigga.
Anonymous No.724898947 [Report] >>724899437
>>724898740
he's the reason Shemue 1 got finished and is as good as it is.
crunched hard for six months.
Anonymous No.724899021 [Report]
>>724898886
I'd gladly trade 20 mid tier arcade ports for a MGS, Gran Turismo, FF7/8/9, GTA1/2 etc
Anonymous No.724899024 [Report]
>>724897227
There are only a couple of great RPGs on the saturn.
The saturn was the action game system.
Anonymous No.724899131 [Report]
>>724898835
BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
Welcome to /v/ Video Games, don't cry too hard.
Anonymous No.724899198 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
This shitbox is very aesthetically pleasing. I want one just for that.
Anonymous No.724899270 [Report] >>724910296
Was the failing Saturn the reason for Sony's
>NO 2D GAMES
policy?
Anonymous No.724899328 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
>What is its legacy?

And small group of people will hype it as the greatest game console of all time, while the rest of the world will never get to touch one due to how fucked up its' distribution was in the western markets. It does have a lot of great games mind you. The whole machine was a clusterfuck for Sega... outside of japan.
Anonymous No.724899437 [Report]
>>724898947
What a gigachad. So he really was the reason for Yakuza shitting the bed so hard when he left.
Anonymous No.724899582 [Report] >>724899738
>>724890042
>ocarina of time (overrated tho imo and btfo by majora)
>majoras mask
These two I'd rather play on Gamecube., which has rgb output.
Anonymous No.724899738 [Report] >>724899775 >>724900346
>>724899582
>These two I'd rather play on Gamecube
How do you play N64 games on the GCN?
Anonymous No.724899775 [Report] >>724899979
>>724899738
anon...
Anonymous No.724899979 [Report] >>724900043 >>724900346
>>724899775
Sorry if that question is stupid. Is there some kind of adapter for it? I remember it had an adapter for GBA games but never knew that it worked with N64 as well
Anonymous No.724900043 [Report] >>724900984
>>724899979
They released a collection with OOT, Majora's Mask, and the first two NES games on Gamecube.
Anonymous No.724900346 [Report] >>724900984
>>724899738
>>724899979
Gamecube release called Collector's Edition.
Better picture quality. Better controller. It's a no brainer.
Anonymous No.724900849 [Report] >>724901007 >>724901165 >>724903885 >>724910480
>>724892737
Honestly I'd say you're truly missing out on the controller. Saturn had a real nice controller that I wish more people would experience just once in their lifetime. It was comfortable to use and really fits the type of games it had.

As for games you can start with pic related. The Saturn version of Grandia 1 is better than all its later ports. Sakura Wars if the series is translated. Saturn Bomberman being one of the best Bomberman games in the series. Nights. Virtua Fighter and Fighters Megamix if you're into 3D fighting games. Fighters Megamix is a fun Sega crossover fighting game between Viruta Fighter cast and Fighting Vipers(another Saturn only fighting game) cast and some other Sega cameos like sonic characters and the car from Daytona USA.

I'd list more solely for their soundtracks only, the Saturn had a really unique sound to it that managed to produced some catchy soundtracks.
Anonymous No.724900984 [Report] >>724901620
>>724900043
>>724900346
Oh wow I never knew that they actually ported the game to the GameCube. How's that version compared to the regular one?
Anonymous No.724901007 [Report]
>>724900849
Soukyugurentai and Kingdom Grand Prix deserve a mention.
Anonymous No.724901165 [Report]
>>724900849
>Wipeout
lol
Anonymous No.724901260 [Report]
>>724892737
I would like to play Magic Knight Rayearth one day, check it out.
Anonymous No.724901595 [Report] >>724901725
Genesis/Mega Drive
>huge success
Saturn
>WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING
???
Anonymous No.724901620 [Report]
>>724900984
Majora is a bit buggy, apparently but it shouldn't be too bad. I bought it literally yesterday.
Anonymous No.724901723 [Report] >>724901993 >>724903885
>>724875362
it was more well known in europe than in USA, hell it even sell better and got more games in europe than in usa.
Anonymous No.724901725 [Report]
>>724901595
Saturn era was SoJ huffing their own farts thinking they didn't need Kalinske anymore, and replacing him with a brain-dead retard (Stolar).
Anonymous No.724901845 [Report]
>>724898408
>18 shmups
>22 Tetris (Anime)
Anonymous No.724901993 [Report]
>>724901723
Europe here.
Saturn flew completely over my head. Had multiple friends and family with a Mega Drive. Then later I remember people being hyped about the Dreamcast. I don't know a single person who owned a Saturn though
Anonymous No.724902031 [Report]
>>724898408
just count the following that are the genres that matters:
3d racing games
3d fighting games
2d fighting games
survival horror games
3d plataform
jrpgs
sports games
light gun games
Anonymous No.724902526 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
It looks cool and I'd like to get one someday.
I especially want to play Bulk Slash on real hardware; that game looks like the raddest shit ever.
Anonymous No.724902962 [Report] >>724903019 >>724903473
>>724885446
>the console is cheap
>over 100 bucks on ebay
Where are you looking?
Anonymous No.724903019 [Report] >>724903257
>>724902962
>doesn't consider 100 USD to be cheap
NGMI
Anonymous No.724903205 [Report] >>724905892
>>724875060 (OP)
It doesn't feel like a bad console. I think I could get entertained by some of the shumps, keep it around for that and see it as a "fancier Genesis" (a lot of Genesis games were very arcade-y, eg. Streets of Rage, SFII). That said, I hadn't even known of one and by the time I was already hearing news of Dreamcast not doing well.
Anonymous No.724903216 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
At least survived the playstation,unlike everything else at the time.
Anonymous No.724903257 [Report]
>>724903019
The snes, nes, n64, ps1, ps2, ps3, ps4, gamecube all cost less, so no, it's not "cheap".
Guy also said he paid 15 bucks.
Anonymous No.724903316 [Report] >>724907765
>>724878339
>Virtual Hydlide
Hydlide had a sequel? HOLY FRIG.
Anonymous No.724903473 [Report] >>724904131
>>724902962
>Where are you looking?
in japan
Anonymous No.724903885 [Report]
>>724900849
>>724901723
How's the Resident Evil 1 port compared to the PS1?
Anonymous No.724904131 [Report] >>724904238
>>724903473
Cool, I don't live in Japan, so what's the point?
Anonymous No.724904238 [Report]
>>724904131
>I don't live in Japan
Skill issue
Anonymous No.724905159 [Report]
>>724892737
>Princess Crown
Enjoy it, I had a lot of fun with it despite the fact that it's a literal walking simulator
Anonymous No.724905892 [Report]
>>724903205
I love the saturn. it's the last bastion of soulful 2D sprite-based games before 3Dshit took over.
Anonymous No.724906302 [Report] >>724906810 >>724907552 >>724907720 >>724910119
>>724898886
What's the point of arcade games? They're boring.
Anonymous No.724906448 [Report] >>724906565
>>724875060 (OP)
>watch battery dies
>replace
>all savegames lost
Hiring the absolute most retarded hardware designers in history.
Anonymous No.724906565 [Report] >>724906961
>>724906448
QRD?
It doesn't use some form of memory card?
Anonymous No.724906810 [Report]
>>724906302
arcade games were the gatcha equivalent of the '80s and '90s.
the want your quarters. all of them.
Anonymous No.724906961 [Report]
>>724906565
It has internal RAM that relies on a battery. Once it dies the memory is wiped (although thankfully you can replace it without soldering). There were and are memory cards that go in the cartridge slot, however. And if you don't have one then really the problem is you.
Anonymous No.724907068 [Report]
>>724875362
Really?
I thought Saturn was more popular in EU than America
Anonymous No.724907194 [Report]
I love the PS1, Saturn, and Nintendo 64. I played a Saturn game for the first time 5 years ago and I felt the same magic as if I had been a kid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hfQM2n609A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOPViekdacQ

Same feeling of this closed-off world of virtual enjoyment.
Anonymous No.724907552 [Report] >>724907661
>>724906302
Short simple games that didn't require a quarters to play on consoles. They aren't boggled down with stories, cutscenes, and load times like your modern games. In other works, they're pure video games. I scary concept I know.
Anonymous No.724907661 [Report] >>724907815 >>724908407 >>724910119
>>724907552
But what's the meaning? They're meaningless, therefore boring.
Anonymous No.724907720 [Report] >>724908247
>>724906302
You get a library of 5 to 20 and pop one whenever you feel like it. If one catches your attention, you see how far you can go, it becomes thrilling. That's assuming there's one you like and you focus on it. They're there to play any time. There's gameplay. Feels very videogames(tm).
Playing Oot/Tomb Raider (afaik a multiplat in the Saturn lol) is a commitment. You make a save. There's no clear line though. I mean, S1 is arcade-ish but S3&K added saves.
Anonymous No.724907765 [Report]
>>724903316
there are 4 Hydlides, not counting bizarre ports
Hydlide, Super Hydlide, Hydlide 3, Vitrual Hydlide

Virtual Hydlide is largely a reimagining of the first game with an over-the-shoulder view and procedural generation (you can enter a seed) so replays aren't just the same path (you'd think it'd be a popular speedrun game)
frame updates are slow and it feels clunky, but it's engine is interesting; it was originally for a golf vidya and can juggle tons of realistic (for the time) assets at once
Anonymous No.724907815 [Report] >>724908247
>>724907661
They're fun
Anonymous No.724907870 [Report] >>724908452
Is Grandia really that much better on Saturn?
Anonymous No.724908247 [Report] >>724908421 >>724908421
>>724907815
No meaning, no fun.
>>724907720
I just don't have fun with that kind of stuff, it feels like menial labour to me, same appeal as breaking rocks.
Anonymous No.724908407 [Report] >>724908916
>>724907661
what is the meaning of Splinter Cell?
Anonymous No.724908421 [Report] >>724908916
>>724908247
>No meaning, no fun.
In your opinion, nigga.
>>724908247
>I just don't have fun with that kind of stuff
To each their own, can't please everyone. Agreeing to disagree.
Anonymous No.724908452 [Report] >>724908564 >>724908985
>>724907870
The Saturn version has way better textures than the PS1 version in a game that focus a lot on its world. Here's a video of the first few minutes of the game if you want to see a side by side comparison.

https://youtu.be/df3iUDVF1dY?t=45

Both of which are still somehow better than the remaster. Just stay the fuck away from that one.
Anonymous No.724908564 [Report] >>724908652
>>724908452
Remaster comparison.
Anonymous No.724908615 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
It has a cool name
Anonymous No.724908627 [Report] >>724908671
>>724877247
>Rockman X4
Why? There is no reason to play that over the PS1 version
Anonymous No.724908652 [Report]
>>724908564
Oh my good fucking christ how is this shit legal?
Anonymous No.724908671 [Report] >>724908898
>>724908627
Runs more smoothly. Saturn was a 2D juggernaut.
Anonymous No.724908898 [Report]
>>724908671
bullshit, the performance is the same
Anonymous No.724908916 [Report] >>724909306 >>724909398 >>724909649 >>724909721 >>724909910 >>724910119
>>724908407
I haven't played it, couldn't tell you. But I could tell you what the meaning of MGS is.
>>724908421
Man is a rational being, without meaning, intellectual stimulation, action is not worth undertaking.
If I had to play Pong I'd rather play ping pong in real life.
Anonymous No.724908985 [Report]
>>724908452
the shadow mapping alone is enough reason to go with the Saturn version
Anonymous No.724909306 [Report]
>>724908916
>Man is a rational being, without meaning, intellectual stimulation, action is not worth undertaking.
>If I had to play Pong I'd rather play ping pong in real life.
I'm just gonna agree to disagree on this one. To each their own. Can't please everyone.
Anonymous No.724909398 [Report] >>724909562
>>724908916
and i can tell you what the meaning of Snow Bros is. i don't get the point you're trying to make.
Anonymous No.724909562 [Report] >>724909758
>>724909398
What is it then?
Anonymous No.724909649 [Report] >>724910569
>>724908916
>without meaning, intellectual stimulation, action is not worth undertaking.
Anonymous No.724909721 [Report] >>724910396
>>724908916
Ok, but where do you draw the line? In oot you spend a lot of time killing skellies. And the line is unclear. Sonic is arcadey but the meaning is beating the game, as you do in oot or Tomb raider, fighting games can work as multiplayers, etc. Sometimes I look at a puzzle game and don't "get it" either. With a library the meaning comes from finding one you like and getting good at it to overcome its hurdles, you do the same in non-arcade games.
Anonymous No.724909758 [Report] >>724909903
>>724909562
the meaning of Snow Bros? Demon King kidnaps the princess, Nick and Tom go to save her.
most arcade games have a story, anon. even cutscenes.
Anonymous No.724909831 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
It has no real legacy because it was another entry in Segas boneheaded idea that people just wanted a fancy version of those plug'n'play Pac-Man toys. Arcade games are inherently limited compared to console games yet Sega was obsessed with making what was essentially their own version of the Neo-Geo.
Anonymous No.724909903 [Report] >>724909963 >>724910119 >>724910474
>>724909758
That's not meaning, that's a plot. The meaning is the reason why we do things and specifically why it's good doing them.
Anonymous No.724909910 [Report]
>>724908916
>Einhander
>Radiant Silvergun
>Mushihimesama
Look them up, nigga. Their stories/ plot twists are great, especially for shmups-- a genre not known for their stories.
Anonymous No.724909963 [Report] >>724910449 >>724910549
>>724909903
Pretentious-ass nigga.
Anonymous No.724910119 [Report] >>724910449 >>724910549
>>724909903
>>724908916
>>724907661
>>724906302
Go back to walking simulators like Last of Us or Red Dead, nig. Plenty of "story" for you. We don't want or need your kind. Fucking faggot.
Anonymous No.724910296 [Report]
>>724899270
No, Super Mario 64 was. The game and its hugely successful launch with the N64 made Sony panic (with good reason) and rethink the focus of the Playstation away from 2D games, Arcade ports, and live-action FMV slop, towards big 3D games made with "home-play" sensibilities like Final Fantasy and Spyro. It also made them immediately replace the original SNES ripoff controller with the analog stick and rumble featuring Dualshock controller in imitation of the N64 controllers thumbstick and Rumble Pack. Ironically Mario made Sony turn the Playstation into the success it became by forcing them to really get serious.
Anonymous No.724910396 [Report] >>724910449 >>724910592
>>724909721
To me there two kinds of videogames and it's wrong to categorize them under the same group. One kind is digital games and the other is what I would call videogames.
Digital games are something like Pong, it's not hard to understand what they are, they are a digitalized game, the meaning is contained withing itself, the meaningless action is the whole meaning.
The problem I see with this is that after the novelty you start to realize what a waste of time this kind of videogame really is, as I said I would rather spend that time playing ping pong in real life because there you have meaning that also external to the simple act. Being outside, doing physical activity, spending time with your friends and such.

And then what I would call videogames are basically things that stimulate your thought. Doesn't need to be much, doesn't have to be pretentious. It can be something simple like Ico.
This is something that has no equivalent in real life, it can have value.
Anonymous No.724910449 [Report]
>>724910396
See >>724909963 and >>724910119
Anonymous No.724910474 [Report] >>724910562 >>724910704
>>724909903
that makes zero sense.
what meaning is there in MGS?
Anonymous No.724910480 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
It doesn't have a very good library. It was neat to own in the 90s if you liked arcade games, but for obvious reasons that advantage was entirely lost by the mid-00s. I don't hate the Saturn and I'd even call myself a SEGAfag, but charts like >>724900849 are pretty underwhelming if you know anything about the games and are capable of scrutiny.
Anonymous No.724910549 [Report] >>724910569
>>724909963
>thinking is pretentious
Retarded mutt.
>>724910119
I hate those games, those are what I would use the word pretentious for. You are the faggot here.
Anonymous No.724910562 [Report] >>724910654
>>724910474
nta but war bad, soldier good, don't throw them under the bus
Anonymous No.724910569 [Report]
>>724910549
See >>724909649
Anonymous No.724910592 [Report] >>724910647 >>724910910
>>724910396
>Ico
meaningless, when you could be holding hands with a real girl while you yank her around the immediate environment instead.
Anonymous No.724910647 [Report] >>724910910
>>724910592
Don't tease him, it's palpably obvious he's never touched a woman's hand, at least not consensually, and likely never will.
Anonymous No.724910654 [Report]
>>724910562
that's not meaning, that's message. if plot is not "meaning" than neither is moral.
Anonymous No.724910704 [Report] >>724910805
>>724910474
It's 3am here, I'm going to bed but can you really infer no meaning from MGS at all? Really?
I would say that a strong theme in the game is belonging. Most Metal Gear characters are misfits looking for a group to belong to, for example.
Good night.
Anonymous No.724910805 [Report]
>>724910704
>can you really infer no meaning from MGS at all? Really?
nope, not when you've made up your own personal definition of the word.
>characters
if plot is not meaning then neither are the characters contained within it.
you're definitely making as much coherent sense as the sleep deprived. get a good rest, anon.
Anonymous No.724910889 [Report]
>>724875060 (OP)
>>724875271
Sonic Adventure began development on saturn
Anonymous No.724910910 [Report] >>724911197 >>724911317
>>724910647
Holy shit you got me. I will now buy a Saturn and create a Tinder profile.
>>724910592
Yes but there's more to the game than that.
That's the equivalent of saying "well Ivan Ilyich dies in the book, if you see someone dying in real life you have no reason to read the book". Very asinine and passive-aggressive.
Good night.
Anonymous No.724911197 [Report]
>>724910910
>Yes but there's more to the game than that.
which is also all meaningless when you could just take up parkour in real life.
>nonsensical attempt at equivalence to back up a nonsensical point
get some sleep, anon.
Anonymous No.724911290 [Report] >>724911425
>>724875060 (OP)
It just plain sucked. Segays will cope about how it's because most of its library was stuck in Japan, but most of its major games were released outside Japan anyway, yet they weren't any good. Imagine the humiliation ritual of playing Tranny Clown, Bug, watered down arcade racers, and bongjank Sonic spinoffs while the competition was getting industry changers every other month.
Anonymous No.724911317 [Report]
>>724910910
you're a guy that reads books for the pictures or watches movies for the ost. you're in the wrong hobby. if you hate the idea of games being games maybe games arent for you
Anonymous No.724911412 [Report] >>724911485 >>724911672
The Saturn is what permanently turned me into a weeb, and I embrace it. I literally would not be the person who I am today if I hadn't had one. However, it's been several years since I've played anything on it, though.

Meanwhile, arcade games are king. No videogame is or ever will be worth playing on the basis of its storyline alone. If the mechanics (a.k.a. "gameplay", if you must) of the game aren't good, then the game sucks, period. Every videogame's storyline can be reduced to a single sentence, and everything beyond that is fluff.
Anonymous No.724911425 [Report]
>>724911290
>industry changers
the playstation was getting movie game sloppa and the n64 barely got any releases at all. of them they were kiddy mascot platformers and walking sim sloppa. sega saturn had actual games with gameplay
Anonymous No.724911485 [Report]
>>724911412
BASED
Anonymous No.724911604 [Report]
My uncle had one. Dragon Force and Shining Force 3 were sick.
Anonymous No.724911672 [Report] >>724911891
>>724911412
>system-11 ps1 ports are basically perfect
>there are multiple ports on the saturn that had to be redone and re-released a second time because of how bad the original port was
saturn isn't even the best arcade port machine
Anonymous No.724911809 [Report] >>724911824 >>724912293 >>724913059
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNJVcA-ZMPE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppi0iAXi8e0
Anonymous No.724911824 [Report]
>>724911809
Anonymous No.724911891 [Report]
>>724911672
It wasn't, but the Saturn SNK and Capcom ports far surpassed what the PS1 could do. There was nothing like having a near-perfect XMen VS Street Fighter or Vampire Savior playable at home in the late 90s.
Anonymous No.724912293 [Report]
>>724911809
I like both
Anonymous No.724913059 [Report]
>>724911809
The US sound is better. The JP one is obnoxious.