Thread 724875060

Seems like everybody forgets this console ever existed. What is its legacy?

>>724875060 (OP)
It's a piece of fucking shit.

Outside of japan and usa most people don't even know it existed

Good in japan, flopped miserably in NA because of retarded marketers

>>724875060 (OP)
overrated garbage.

The goat

>>724875060 (OP)
meme troon console

>>724875060 (OP)
Shmup and 2d fighting game machine but only in Japan. If you've hade one in Europe or America instead of playstation, I feel sorry for you.

>>724876282
yeah is was totes because of the marketing and not the woefully lackluster library.

>>724875060 (OP)
a nail in sega's coffin. not the first but certainly not the last

>>724875060 (OP)
In Japan it has a great fucking library. Then they didnt release any of it in English

It has over 1,000 games, but few people outside Japan know the library in depth.
It was infinitely superior than the Nintendo 64 as well, but because the history of gaming is largely written by Americans, you will see more coverage of Nintendo 64 games than Saturn's, even though the latter is a capable videogame console while the former was one of the most bizarre things ever made, which only resulted in games that look like shit.

It's legacy is that it doesn't have one. Everyone either had a PlayStation or N64. No-one gives two shits about the Saturn. Not even Sega.

>>724875060 (OP)
>everybody forgets this console ever existed
I didn't. I play Rockman X4, KOF 97, Zero4 TypeR, and many other beat-em-ups on it.

>>724875060 (OP)
Sucked in the usa because you couldn't find a game. Most always never stocked Saturn games and had PSP/Vita shelf space. This was before you could buy games online so your selection was only your local stores. Never saw Guardian Heroes, Burning Rangers, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Virtual On or any other games on shelfs. All I saw was VF2, Virtua Cop 2 and Clockwork Knight that rotted on the shelf

>>724875060 (OP)
Its only legacy is murdering Sega. There's nothing it did that wasn't done better elsewhere.

Piece of shit liked by hipsters that pretend to like japanese games, not even real weebs.

>>724877128
>It was infinitely superior than the Nintendo 64, which had multiple groundbreaking titles that changed gaming forever.
yeah Virtual Hydlide sure was infinitely superior to Ocarina of Time lmao

>>724876989
....the woefully lackluster library was BECAUSE of the shitty marketing team deciding to surprise-launch the console 4 months early.

>>724876989
I'm not that anon, but I literally didn't know what the Saturn around 2002 or so when I was wondering if SEGA would make another console. I learned that the Saturn wasn't the name of their next one, but the name of the one that came before the Dreamcast.

>>724878458
now explain why it was still woefully lackluster 3 years later in 1998.

>>724878581
>wondering if SEGA would make another console.
>in 2002.
you...hadn't heard of the Dreamcast by 2002?

senna on the saturn

>>724875060 (OP)
some excellent standouts like the Panzer Dragoon series and Shining Force 3, and a number of enticing games that stayed in Japan like Princess Crown
a good amount of interest in it is bullt on what we couldnt play at the time

US presence and library mismanaged into the ground by Bernie Stolar, who somehow kept his job into the Dreamcast era before selling the company's sould to Microsoft

>>724878851
>you...hadn't heard of the Dreamcast by 2002?
nta but read it again
he's saying that, in 2002, he was wondering if Sega would release a successor to the Dreamcast

>>724877128
>It has over 1,000 games
yeah if you count the same game released in 4 regions as a separate game. otherwise it's down to like 700 or so.

and you have like 200 which are VNs or Anime Mahjong or Virtua Fighter CG Portrait Collection Volume 69.

>It was infinitely superior than the Nintendo 64 as well
low hanging fruit, N64 had what, six great games? and the amount each cart cost, you could get a PSX with two dozen titles.

>>724879463
>blaming the US for the Saturn's failure
why didn't those stupid gaijin translate Aponashi Girls: Olympos or Bishoujo Hanafuda Kikou Michinoku Hitou Koi Monogatari Special??? it would have saved the Saturn!!!!

>>724879579
ta but reading it again doesn't fix the grammar. is there supposed to be a "was" between the words Saturn and around?
regardless, i'm gonna say it's obvious that anon is not American. not because of the grammar, but because American kids definitely knew the Saturn existed. you could walk into any department store or game shop and play on a Saturn kiosk, touch the games.

Unironically better than PS1.
>But muh multi disc FMV JRPGS for little baby faggots!!
I don't care.

>>724875060 (OP)
Cotton machine

>>724880245
trans by the way

>>724880245
>I don't care.
know who did care? SEGA. that's why they tried to copy it.
here's your FF7 killer, bro

It has some pretty cool games. I don't regret owning one

>>724877128
Because the Saturn never had an actual Sonic game, which are the only Sega games people give a fuck about in America. You just had Sonic R and some ports.

>>724879718
>hurr durr cherrypicked example equals all cases fallacy
Bernie Stolar murdered the system early in the console's life when he said "the Saturn is not Sega's future", drastically killling western dev interest
Bernie actively blocked many 2D titles from being translated, trying and failing to compete with Sony on the 3D front
Sony got to become king of RPGs in America in part because Sega of America wouldn't approve many JP Saturn RPGs being released internationally
there's also the mismanagement of who got to create a new Sonic gane for the system, with US teams doing stupid shit like not checking to see if they we're allowed to use JP teams' engines and Yuji Naka getting pissed off as a result

would it have beaten Sony in the market longterm? Probably not. Would the brand have stayed stronger in the west with better leadership? Probably
bare minimum it would have a stronger legacy than being that console whose good games were never localized

>>724879718
Unironically yes, localizing more Japanese anime games at a time when North America was undergoing its biggest anime boom would have led to much higher sales.

>>724875060 (OP)
lots of untranslated JP-only gems
ps: SoA is to blame for everything

>>724880923
>thinking kids, teens or the average consumer gave a fuck about something Stolar said at E3 1997 instead of wondering where the fuck is Sonic
>thinking western devs could even compete with Japanese devs in '97
>why didn't that stupid gaijin Stolar block the translation of 2D titles like Elf wo Karu Monotachi or Gekka no Kishi: Ouryuusen??? it would have saved the Saturn!!!!
>believing 3D was not extremely hot and most developers were focusing on it
>believing that if any of those RPGs had been released, they wouldn't have been immediately steamrolled by FF7 anyway
>no Sonic
yeah that one i can agree with

>Would the brand have stayed stronger in the west with better leadership?
for about 2 months. the Saturn's funky architecture was its biggest downfall. every single developer that worked on Saturn titles have said what a nightmare it was to get performance out of. 3D was the future and Saturn was dragging behind. just like arcades were dying but SEGA still kept relying on arcade ports until the very end.

>>724882007
>3D was the future and Saturn was dragging behind. just like arcades were dying but SEGA still kept relying on arcade ports until the very end.
The irony being if the Saturn had stronger 3D architecture then the Saturn could've had much better and more impressive arcade ports.

>>724875060 (OP)
Symphony of the Night's bonus content is trapped on this piece of shit with its permanently fucked up resolution, what a disaster.

>>724881519
Supposedly they had multiple anime games planned for localization per the leaked '97 document, including Devil Summoner (which would have been REALLY nice to get since right now it doesn't even have a fan TL) and Sakura Wars. But I do think that the console's launch ruined everything; no matter what they brought over, it would not help the situation much

>>724882263
Oh yeah the launch and still trying to keep support for the Genesis via the 32X killed it. Those two decisions plus gimping the library were a one-two-three of the most braindead corporate decisions possible. Any one of them could've killed the Saturn individually and they did all three.
Sakura Wars especially, that would have been prime for multimedia hype in the era of shows like Sailor Moon and Cardcaptor Sakura being brought over to the west.

>>724882263
the bad launch could have been mitigated by better games. the problem is SEGA didn't have better games.
nothing was going to beat Mario 64 or Zelda.
nothing was going to beat FF7 or MGS.

>>724882519
the 32X was the real fuckup, for sure.
but Cardcaptor Sakura wasn't translated until 2000 and the Saturn was done by '98.
anime had just started to break into the mainstream by '98 thanks to things like the Scifi channel's Saturday Anime.

>>724882941
I was just using CCS as an example along with Sailor Moon to indicate that there would have been room for Sakura Wars to become popular as both a game and anime (if the series was made before 2000) in the west at the time.

>>724882238
It sucks however
>I understand why fans who've never played the Saturn version would be interested in those features, but I really, really don't feel good about them. I couldn't put my name on that stuff and present it to Castlevania fans.
>—Koji Igarashi, June 2007, on the Saturn port[45]

>>724883363
The funny thing about Sakura Wars is that all of its animated adaptations (OVAs, TV anime, movies) were dubbed and its manga adaptation was published. Everything but the source material was localized and brought to the US

I'm planning to buy one. Is it easy tp jailbreak? I refuse to participate in the retarded and sweaty retro game market, but I found a fully functional Sanyo crt in the dumpster that I'm ready to play some shmups on. Plus it's just a great looking console with a nice looking controller

>>724875271
blessed fpbp

>>724884281
Sega had exactly one major hit in the 90s, Sonic, and failed to realize they needed to put the same amount of faith in their other properties with multimedia investments. They only recently started figuring it out with RGG.

>>724884578
the console is cheap, i got it in the box for about 15 dollars in japan. 5 years ago there was a guy making flash carts but he was based in hong kong and they cost like $60 and he was the only source iirc. idk about now
>>724882941
>nothing was going to beat Mario 64 or Zelda.
>nothing was going to beat FF7 or MGS.
panzer dragoon and radiant silvergun beat those kiddy games/walking sims

>>724885268
only amerimutts gave a shit about söynic. sega was huge in japan

>>724884578
it's kind of too primitive to jailbreak, more a modchip situation
look for an ODE (optical drive emulator) device like the Saroo that can be used to load isos

>>724875060 (OP)
garbage system that sold like shit state side. if you read japanese its a god send.

>>724885647
Good thing the reply chain is about the Saturn failing in America.

>>724885446
>>724885664

My big thing is hoing to be able to play english isos too. I wouldn't mind hardware mods if it means that I can play english games too. So a japanese saturn is worth buying if you want to play english games? Or is that impossible without something like an Action replay?

>>724884578
You can buy a Saroo cartridge for $50 or so that stores whatever games you want on an SD card. All you have to do is stick it in the slot and it just werks
>>724885446
>he was the only source iirc. idk about now
No longer the case. Anyone can make one

>>724886102
the mods bypass the region lock

>>724886102
the saroo should be able to load isos of any region
I have read that translation hacks like Princess Crown, Sakura Wars, and Dragon Force 2 work on real hardware

>>724879709
N64 had at least 50 great games, people always sell the console short.

>>724884281
Is the animated stuff any good?

>>724886651
americans overrate it. it had a worse catalog than the saturn and playstation.

>>724886730
TV anime is an adaptation of the game but with some stuff added (the first few episodes show the theater before Ogami arrives) and removed (everything Biblical, which kinda sucks since the finale of the game revolves around it)
Everything else are just side stories that vary in quality, if you want more of these characters you'll probably enjoy it

>>724875060 (OP)
Part of the 3-way tie for my favorite console alongside PS2 and Dreamcast. It played host to some fantastic shmups and fighting games.

>>724887442
>Biblical
Excuse me? I thought that was a dating sim with robot battles on the side.

>>724887794
I would recommend you the xbox 360

>>724888198
Have one, love it, almost as much as those three. Mushi Futari was the game that convinced me to buy one.

>>724888183
The final boss is literally Satan and one of the supporting characters is revealed to have been archangel Michael in disguise. Game unironically ends with the "you gotta repent bro there's no sin God can't forgive" message

>>724884281
That's because they came out in the early 00s when every Anime that existed got english releases even fucking Mahou Shoujo Ai. Eventually it got to the point that japanese studios flat out stopped licensing things for English releases because the otakus in Japan started ordering the english releases instead (in Japan, an OVA is 1 ep per DVD at full price, while the USA release was 1 DVD for 6+ episodes with original jap sound intact... and also no censoring).

we had sooooo much uncensored hentai DVDs released at the time.

>>724875060 (OP)
Rushed everything.
Second CPU grafted on board without a memory controller that could actually schedule memory access between them.
No integrated video decoder made FMVs look like shit compared to PS1.
Changed the release date at the last minute without warning retailers and developers, as a result most early english releases were unfinished and needed a re-release later in the year.

>>724875060 (OP)
Second best console from that generation after the ps1.
I still play it to this day because i am still discovering cool games on it.

>>724882007
Saturns funky architecture was just the 3d chip sucking ass and you needing to learn how to use the 2nd CPU and the DSP. But those got figured out even back in the day, by 1997-8 you got Sonic R and Quake which did things that looked PS1 level easily.

>>724879709
>yeah if you count the same game released in 4 regions as a separate game. otherwise it's down to like 700 or so.
No. It has 1028 individual games.

shining force 3 has cute girls

>>724886651
Mario 64, Zelda, Goldeneye, Conker, and what else?
If you are crazy about Pokemons I suppose it had 1-2 more.

Don't tell me shit like Turok or Perfect Dark is what you consider "good".

>>724886460
>>724886408

Thanks for the info, anons. Japanese saturn it is since they're half the price right now.

>>724886209
>All you have to do is stick it in the slot and it just werks
The saturn cart slot is notoriously terrible. Getting third party carts to work is a total crapshoot. You have to stick them in at the precise angle and the slightest bump or movement will dislodge it.

>>724889280
If you like shmups, I'd recommend a couple of little-known ones: Soukyugurentai and Kingdom Grand Prix, the latter of which is a bizarre shmups/racing game hybrid. Both games are by based Raizing.

>>724878851
because devs were pissed off at the shitty surprise launch and went to competing consoles instead

it's not that deep you retard

>>724887137
I'm not american and I love the n64

>>724889569
nta but Mischief Makers and Wonder Project J2 are pretty good, if niche
Sin and Punishment is a damn good shooter too

>>724889569
i would put perfect dark over goldeneye or conker
for me all it has is sin & punishment and fzero x. the bomberman games were nice too if you like kiddy games. that nigger probably has slop like glover and banjo in his 50

>>724875060 (OP)
I only got this system back then to play Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 at home.

>>724889569
the good games on n64 are
mario 64
ocarina of time (overrated tho imo and btfo by majora)
majoras mask
kirby 64 (even though this is a weaker kirby game)
mystical ninja starring goemon
mischief makers
sin and punishment
everything else is shit or a product of its time

>>724890042
Truth nuke.

>>724890042
>>724889903
fuck i forgot goemon

>>724890217
Thanks for the upvote faggot

>>724889754
>lil bro thinks CAPCOM went "wow that surprise launch 3 years ago really ticked us off and THAT'S why we're not putting RE2 on the Saturn, not because we literally can't get it to work with its fucked up architecture!"

>>724875271
disgusting faggot

>>724875060 (OP)
For many years I wished I had gotten one so I could play the sequel to Beyond Oasis on the genesis. I finally did and you know what? Legend of Oasis isnt' as good as Beyond.

>>724891831
same except replace with Dark Savior

>>724889754
The saturn had way more third party games than the n64 and was getting the same multiplats as the ps1 in the beginning. The ports only stopped after the saturn turned out to be a failure.

>>724890042
>mystical ninja starring goemon
>>724890349
>fuck i forgot goemon

>>724875060 (OP)
It was an arcade port console in an era when people wanted to play OoT, MGS, Gran Turismo, Resident Evil and Tomb Raider.

This is my first time ever playing a Saturn game.
And boy does it suck having to emulate without actually having 6 face buttons though it doesn't seem like this game uses them all anyway.
I'm having fun, but this game was never released in the west anyway so I guess it doesn't even count.
Is there anything else I should actually be playing that I otherwise couldn't experience elsewhere in 2025?

>>724892285
>OoT, MGS, Gran Turismo, Resident Evil and Tomb Raider.
movie games

>>724892965
right, the future.

>>724893069
fuck the future

>>724891904
I mean I'm still glad I went on ebay and bought one ten years ago. I got lucky and it came with Legend of Oasis and Guardian Heroes. And the lady selling it didn't give a fuck about it. Shame the west never got the full Shining Force 3 game as a Shining Force fan.

>>724875060 (OP)
Loses to the PS1 but mogs the N64

>>724875060 (OP)
it does not exist until that day when you somehow get into 2D arcade games and suddenly it's fucking awesome

>>724893380
it's coming on

3 games on the n64 is already a more worthwhile experience than 100 games on the saturn

>>724880609
>cotton 2
my absolute nigga

>>724875060 (OP)
Sega were retarded and kept a shit ton of games in Japan only.

there is not a single Japan-only release that would have saved the Saturn.

>>724894569
>grandia, on of the best games of the generation is jp only
>the shitass ps1 port does get released
MAKE IT MAKE SENSE

>>724894431
Some would say that wuz teh 3 launch titles all along

>>724894828
>game releases at the very end of 1997
>Saturn was doing so bad, some retailers were selling it brand new for $20 by the beginning of 1998
>didn't want to bother releasing it for a failing console
makes perfect sense

>What is its legacy?
People pretending it had one.

>>724895072
N-no, everyone loved it way more than ff7 and it would've saved the saturn! You don't remember John Grandia being more recognizable than cloud when the ps1 port released?

>>724879994
>but because American kids definitely knew the Saturn existed
I'm the anon you're referencing, I'm American and I did not know the Saturn existed at all until after Dreamcast had already been out for years and was discontinued.

>>724895204
Grandia is leagues better than FF7

>>724895343
Ok but do you understand that you personally liking it more does not mean that everyone else thought the same thing in 1997?

Sega was for arcade ports, but consoles had already made arcade style games archaic. Sega was better at refresh rates but worse at colour range.

>(saturn shit) is better than (insert other systems' top sellers here)
Saturnfags, am I right?

>>724895438
Why would anyone like a broken port with glitchy graphics a non-working map because of RAM issues and sound problems everywhere?
Are you pretending to be retarded?

>>724895606
Grandia was not more popular than ff7 in japan either.

>>724895575
>popular is better

>>724892285
>It was an arcade port console in an era when people wanted to play OoT, MGS, Gran Turismo, Resident Evil and Tomb Raider.
You can play arcade games only for so long.

>>724895575
haha yeah candy crush fortnite and fifa? those are some killer games
miss me with that non top seller shit

>>724895658
Yes, the PS1 and N64 are better than the Saturn, glad we're on the same page.

>>724895606
why would anyone buy a Saturn?

>>724895652
That's nice sweety.

>>724895724
>n64
>better at anything
is trash,it always was. the only ones who defend it are insufferable Nintendo fans.

it had no games
just like PS3

>>724895924
Ok so why would grandia save the saturn when ff7 was so much popular?

>>724895314
nah, that's pretty impossible.
unless your parents locked you in a closet and homeschooled you and the only entertainment you had was issues of Zoobooks slid under the crack.
Saturn advertisements were everywhere, along with celebrity endorsements.
you're telling me you never went to a game store? you never went to a Toys R Us? never went to a Target? or a Sears? or a Montgomery fucking Wards? dude, literally every department store had a Saturn kiosk.
if you didn't know it existed, it's because you literally did not play games or visit the game department of any store.

>>724895984
That's nice sweety, history disagrees with you.
The N64 outsold the saturn in the americas, europe, and did almost as well as the saturn in japan.
You can keep coping.

>>724896013
I don't understand what ff7 has to do with the saturn not getting half its library.
Most importantly all the capcom fighting games.

>>724896039
My experience walking through Toys R Us, Target, Funcoland and the like during that time were exclusively Nintendo 64 and PlayStation. I do not recall having seen anything Saturn related and, if they were there, it was probably in an area off in a corner or in a significantly smaller space outside of view.

>>724896226
Because none of those games were big killer apps like mario 64 or crash bandicoot or ff7.
>all the capcom fighting games.
I don't think that a darkstalkers port was gonna convince people to pick up a saturn instead of a playstation.

>>724896226
>I don't understand what killer apps causing the console to be utterly crushed in the market has to do with the decision to spend more money porting games for a dying platform

>>724896303
Most retailers straight up refused to carry Saturn products because they weren't involved in the early launch.

>>724896358
>apps
>>724896381
>apps

Same zoomer on 2 devices huh

Anyways the saturn outsold the n64 in japan and is only a million or so behind the ps1.
The reason it flopped is bad decisions by non-japan sega.

>>724896303
the places mentioned always had a sizeable Sega section, anon. you are either not American or you were not alive back then or were like 4 years old.
let's say you somehow managed to stumble through someplace like Toys R Us or Funcoland and managed to completely miss the Sega sections. why didn't you ever go look at them, even out of curiosity?
are you also telling me you never read any gaming magazines? because all of them reported on the Saturn.
what are you even trying to say?
>I only ever looked at the Nintendo and Sony sections of game stores and never even glanced at the Sega sections also I exclusively read Nintendo Power and PSM only! Gosh, how come I never heard of this Sega console????
lmao

>>724896603
nta but the term "killer app" was coined in the mid-80s and did apply to console games through influence from the PC side.

>>724896725
LOL

>>724896603
That phrase has existed for decades you fucking retard.
>Anyways the saturn outsold the n64 in japan and is only a million or so behind the ps1.
Yes, because of the first few years where japs bought it to play virtua fighter, not because of some fucking random jrpg that released after the console was already flatlining in sales. Holy shit do at least a little bit of fucking research before your smug midwit shitposting.

>>724896725
Sure but only browns use that word and they tend to be zoomers

>>724896073
>That's nice sweety, history disagrees with you.
If that's your argument, then N64shitters should sit down and shut the fuck up because the PS1 outsold it 3 times over kek

>>724896960
And the nintendo 64 outsold the saturn worldwide.
So saturnfags should sit down and shut the fuck up. I await your cope response, saturn sissy.

>>724896603
>the saturn outsold the n64 in japan
By a small margin.
>is only a million or so behind the ps1
Not even close, the PSX dominated in Japan.

Saturnfags are really fucking sad with how they try and replace reality with their headcanon.

>>724896358
>Because none of those games were big killer apps like mario 64 or crash bandicoot or ff7.
Because they never had the chance to become big?
How can people buy these games if Sega doesn't sell them in the west?

>>724875060 (OP)
you will like it if you like RPGs

if you like other genres you will hate it

the best games on saturn and the sega cd are RPGs

>>724897204
>Because they never had the chance to become big?
If they were gonna be big then why were they never big in japan?

>>724896905
Backpedaling retard. Actual embarrassing display. Get your sorry ass outta here.

>>724897257
Zelda wasn't big in japan either buddy.

>>724897269
Explain why grandia would save the saturn in the west while it didn't do shit in japan. What about grandia appeals to the west more?

>>724897325
I knew saturntards were delusional, but I didn't think they were THIS delusional.

>>724896491
True, which is unfortunate since I probably would have asked for one if I knew they existed. Prior to getting the PS1, I already had a Genesis and loved it, so if we knew the Saturn existed, I may have at least asked for that even if it wasn't available at most retailers. I do appreciate my parents for having me covered regardless, though. Having both an N64 and a PS1 during that time was fantastic.

As for how the Dreamcast came up, my cousin ended up getting a Dreamcast close (and he also never had a Saturn or knew it existed). After going to his house and playing Sonic Adventure and THPS (both were on a demo disc) I remember being blown away that SEGA somehow jumped from the Genesis straight to Dreamcast. I was blown away in general by it. Not long after that I remember asking for one and being told they weren't making anymore of them. The internet was still fairly new at the time and even though I basically just used it for cheat codes on gamefaqs, I remember stumbling across the Sega Saturn somehow and wondered if that was a new upcoming console. Obviously doing a little bit of reading on it I learned it was the console that came between the Genesis and Dreamcast.

>>724897380
Because you are so angry about and hung up on grandia for some reason your eternal seething about it would create a parallel universe where it eclipses tetris in a month.
Now take your meds.

>>724879463
>Bernie Stolar
>kept his job into the Dreamcast era
He was fired shortly before the American release.

>>724897528
Name one game that would've managed to compete with FF7 and crash bandicoot.

>>724897587
Grandia.

>>724897624
Why didn't it compete with ff7 in japan? What about grandia appeals to the west more?

>>724897624
Then why didn't it push saturn units?

>>724897807
You weren't seething hard enough. I just explained this.

So Sega just ported a bunch of arcade games to the Saturn and when that dried up, they had nothing else?

>>724897907
What?

>>724897936
and after watching that strategy fail, they said
>Hey we should do the exact same with the Dreamcast.
Sega was always too retarded to live.

>30 year old console
>retards still having a consolewar about it
you are all pathetic

>>724898173
I agree, it's pathetic how Saturnfags constantly start shit with PS1 and N64 fans and try and trick people into thinking this piece of shit was ever good.

>>724898070
You posted an N64 tendie.
A Saturn fan would be Ken-sama.

>>724898107
>and after watching that strategy fail, they said
>>Hey we should do the exact same with the Dreamcast.
>Sega was always too retarded to live.
Grim.
But what else could they have done?
For the Dreamcast they poured an abysmal amount of money into Shenmue. Which was going full retard in the other direction imo.

>>724879709
There are 35 VN's on the saturn and 89 Mahjong/Shogi/Board Game games.

I THINK PANZER DRAGOON SAGA SUCKS

>>724898070
I would like to think any self respecting Saturn autist would use gel to spike their hair. It's the right thing to do. Your image is not my image of a Saturn devotee.

>>724875060 (OP)
Too little too late.
Also marvel vs capcom.

>>724883610
Considering the game was deisgned, directed, programmed, and produced by Toru Hagihara, i don't think Igarashi's name should be anywhere near SOTN either.

>>724898408
>and 89 Mahjong/Shogi/Board Game games.
Holy fuck.
How many times can you play Mahjong with slightly different visuals?

>>724898403
>But what else could they have done?
make better games that weren't designed for the arcade market would have been a pretty good move.
>Shenmue
honestly i liked Shenmue. i still have mad nostalgia for it. 1, that is.
Nagoshi says he left after 1 because he didn't like the direction the game was going in, and when you play 2, i think you can see what he meant.

>>724898590
>Nagoshi says he left after 1 because he didn't like the direction the game was going in, and when you play 2, i think you can see what he meant.
The guy that shouldered Yakuza for decades worked on Shenmue? Wtf! What a chad

>>724898582
They're cheap and easy to make with rule sets that anyone in Japan can easily pick up, so if you're Japanese you just buy the one you like the most.

>>724898312
you are over 30 if you are about this pointless 90s drama
how do you say shit like this and not feel sorry for your parents

>>724898408
>124 games are dedicated to visual novel "games" and board game shovelware shit
woah, so this is the sega saturn's amazing huge library I keep hearing about... one can only imagine what the other 900 games are...

>>724875060 (OP)
I haven't played it very much. My cousin had one, but the only game he owned was Bug.

>>724895665
Arcade games are way more re-playable than long winded crap like OOT and MGS.
Those are 1 and done games but throw on Elevator Action Returns right now and i'll gladly replay it for the 50th time.

>>724890353
Shut the fuck up, nigga.

>>724898740
he's the reason Shemue 1 got finished and is as good as it is.
crunched hard for six months.

>>724898886
I'd gladly trade 20 mid tier arcade ports for a MGS, Gran Turismo, FF7/8/9, GTA1/2 etc

>>724897227
There are only a couple of great RPGs on the saturn.
The saturn was the action game system.

>>724898835
BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
Welcome to /v/ Video Games, don't cry too hard.

>>724875060 (OP)
This shitbox is very aesthetically pleasing. I want one just for that.

Was the failing Saturn the reason for Sony's
>NO 2D GAMES
policy?

>>724875060 (OP)
>What is its legacy?

And small group of people will hype it as the greatest game console of all time, while the rest of the world will never get to touch one due to how fucked up its' distribution was in the western markets. It does have a lot of great games mind you. The whole machine was a clusterfuck for Sega... outside of japan.

>>724898947
What a gigachad. So he really was the reason for Yakuza shitting the bed so hard when he left.

>>724890042
>ocarina of time (overrated tho imo and btfo by majora)
>majoras mask
These two I'd rather play on Gamecube., which has rgb output.

>>724899582
>These two I'd rather play on Gamecube
How do you play N64 games on the GCN?

>>724899738
anon...

>>724899775
Sorry if that question is stupid. Is there some kind of adapter for it? I remember it had an adapter for GBA games but never knew that it worked with N64 as well

>>724899979
They released a collection with OOT, Majora's Mask, and the first two NES games on Gamecube.

>>724899738
>>724899979
Gamecube release called Collector's Edition.
Better picture quality. Better controller. It's a no brainer.

>>724892737
Honestly I'd say you're truly missing out on the controller. Saturn had a real nice controller that I wish more people would experience just once in their lifetime. It was comfortable to use and really fits the type of games it had.

As for games you can start with pic related. The Saturn version of Grandia 1 is better than all its later ports. Sakura Wars if the series is translated. Saturn Bomberman being one of the best Bomberman games in the series. Nights. Virtua Fighter and Fighters Megamix if you're into 3D fighting games. Fighters Megamix is a fun Sega crossover fighting game between Viruta Fighter cast and Fighting Vipers(another Saturn only fighting game) cast and some other Sega cameos like sonic characters and the car from Daytona USA.

I'd list more solely for their soundtracks only, the Saturn had a really unique sound to it that managed to produced some catchy soundtracks.

>>724900043
>>724900346
Oh wow I never knew that they actually ported the game to the GameCube. How's that version compared to the regular one?

>>724900849
Soukyugurentai and Kingdom Grand Prix deserve a mention.

>>724900849
>Wipeout
lol

>>724892737
I would like to play Magic Knight Rayearth one day, check it out.

Genesis/Mega Drive
>huge success
Saturn
>WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING
???

>>724900984
Majora is a bit buggy, apparently but it shouldn't be too bad. I bought it literally yesterday.

>>724875362
it was more well known in europe than in USA, hell it even sell better and got more games in europe than in usa.

>>724901595
Saturn era was SoJ huffing their own farts thinking they didn't need Kalinske anymore, and replacing him with a brain-dead retard (Stolar).

>>724898408
>18 shmups
>22 Tetris (Anime)

>>724901723
Europe here.
Saturn flew completely over my head. Had multiple friends and family with a Mega Drive. Then later I remember people being hyped about the Dreamcast. I don't know a single person who owned a Saturn though

>>724898408
just count the following that are the genres that matters:
3d racing games
3d fighting games
2d fighting games
survival horror games
3d plataform
jrpgs
sports games
light gun games

>>724875060 (OP)
It looks cool and I'd like to get one someday.
I especially want to play Bulk Slash on real hardware; that game looks like the raddest shit ever.

>>724885446
>the console is cheap
>over 100 bucks on ebay
Where are you looking?

>>724902962
>doesn't consider 100 USD to be cheap
NGMI

>>724875060 (OP)
It doesn't feel like a bad console. I think I could get entertained by some of the shumps, keep it around for that and see it as a "fancier Genesis" (a lot of Genesis games were very arcade-y, eg. Streets of Rage, SFII). That said, I hadn't even known of one and by the time I was already hearing news of Dreamcast not doing well.

>>724875060 (OP)
At least survived the playstation,unlike everything else at the time.

>>724903019
The snes, nes, n64, ps1, ps2, ps3, ps4, gamecube all cost less, so no, it's not "cheap".
Guy also said he paid 15 bucks.

>>724878339
>Virtual Hydlide
Hydlide had a sequel? HOLY FRIG.

>>724902962
>Where are you looking?
in japan

>>724900849
>>724901723
How's the Resident Evil 1 port compared to the PS1?

>>724903473
Cool, I don't live in Japan, so what's the point?

>>724904131
>I don't live in Japan
Skill issue

>>724892737
>Princess Crown
Enjoy it, I had a lot of fun with it despite the fact that it's a literal walking simulator

>>724903205
I love the saturn. it's the last bastion of soulful 2D sprite-based games before 3Dshit took over.

>>724898886
What's the point of arcade games? They're boring.

>>724875060 (OP)
>watch battery dies
>replace
>all savegames lost
Hiring the absolute most retarded hardware designers in history.

>>724906448
QRD?
It doesn't use some form of memory card?

>>724906302
arcade games were the gatcha equivalent of the '80s and '90s.
the want your quarters. all of them.

>>724906565
It has internal RAM that relies on a battery. Once it dies the memory is wiped (although thankfully you can replace it without soldering). There were and are memory cards that go in the cartridge slot, however. And if you don't have one then really the problem is you.

>>724875362
Really?
I thought Saturn was more popular in EU than America

I love the PS1, Saturn, and Nintendo 64. I played a Saturn game for the first time 5 years ago and I felt the same magic as if I had been a kid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hfQM2n609A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOPViekdacQ

Same feeling of this closed-off world of virtual enjoyment.

>>724906302
Short simple games that didn't require a quarters to play on consoles. They aren't boggled down with stories, cutscenes, and load times like your modern games. In other works, they're pure video games. I scary concept I know.

>>724907552
But what's the meaning? They're meaningless, therefore boring.

>>724906302
You get a library of 5 to 20 and pop one whenever you feel like it. If one catches your attention, you see how far you can go, it becomes thrilling. That's assuming there's one you like and you focus on it. They're there to play any time. There's gameplay. Feels very videogames(tm).
Playing Oot/Tomb Raider (afaik a multiplat in the Saturn lol) is a commitment. You make a save. There's no clear line though. I mean, S1 is arcade-ish but S3&K added saves.

>>724903316
there are 4 Hydlides, not counting bizarre ports
Hydlide, Super Hydlide, Hydlide 3, Vitrual Hydlide

Virtual Hydlide is largely a reimagining of the first game with an over-the-shoulder view and procedural generation (you can enter a seed) so replays aren't just the same path (you'd think it'd be a popular speedrun game)
frame updates are slow and it feels clunky, but it's engine is interesting; it was originally for a golf vidya and can juggle tons of realistic (for the time) assets at once

>>724907661
They're fun

Is Grandia really that much better on Saturn?

>>724907815
No meaning, no fun.
>>724907720
I just don't have fun with that kind of stuff, it feels like menial labour to me, same appeal as breaking rocks.

>>724907661
what is the meaning of Splinter Cell?

>>724908247
>No meaning, no fun.
In your opinion, nigga.
>>724908247
>I just don't have fun with that kind of stuff
To each their own, can't please everyone. Agreeing to disagree.

>>724907870
The Saturn version has way better textures than the PS1 version in a game that focus a lot on its world. Here's a video of the first few minutes of the game if you want to see a side by side comparison.

https://youtu.be/df3iUDVF1dY?t=45

Both of which are still somehow better than the remaster. Just stay the fuck away from that one.

>>724908452
Remaster comparison.

>>724875060 (OP)
It has a cool name

>>724877247
>Rockman X4
Why? There is no reason to play that over the PS1 version

>>724908564
Oh my good fucking christ how is this shit legal?

>>724908627
Runs more smoothly. Saturn was a 2D juggernaut.

>>724908671
bullshit, the performance is the same

>>724908407
I haven't played it, couldn't tell you. But I could tell you what the meaning of MGS is.
>>724908421
Man is a rational being, without meaning, intellectual stimulation, action is not worth undertaking.
If I had to play Pong I'd rather play ping pong in real life.

>>724908452
the shadow mapping alone is enough reason to go with the Saturn version

>>724908916
>Man is a rational being, without meaning, intellectual stimulation, action is not worth undertaking.
>If I had to play Pong I'd rather play ping pong in real life.
I'm just gonna agree to disagree on this one. To each their own. Can't please everyone.

>>724908916
and i can tell you what the meaning of Snow Bros is. i don't get the point you're trying to make.

>>724909398
What is it then?

>>724908916
>without meaning, intellectual stimulation, action is not worth undertaking.

>>724908916
Ok, but where do you draw the line? In oot you spend a lot of time killing skellies. And the line is unclear. Sonic is arcadey but the meaning is beating the game, as you do in oot or Tomb raider, fighting games can work as multiplayers, etc. Sometimes I look at a puzzle game and don't "get it" either. With a library the meaning comes from finding one you like and getting good at it to overcome its hurdles, you do the same in non-arcade games.

>>724909562
the meaning of Snow Bros? Demon King kidnaps the princess, Nick and Tom go to save her.
most arcade games have a story, anon. even cutscenes.

>>724875060 (OP)
It has no real legacy because it was another entry in Segas boneheaded idea that people just wanted a fancy version of those plug'n'play Pac-Man toys. Arcade games are inherently limited compared to console games yet Sega was obsessed with making what was essentially their own version of the Neo-Geo.

>>724909758
That's not meaning, that's a plot. The meaning is the reason why we do things and specifically why it's good doing them.

>>724908916
>Einhander
>Radiant Silvergun
>Mushihimesama
Look them up, nigga. Their stories/ plot twists are great, especially for shmups-- a genre not known for their stories.

>>724909903
Pretentious-ass nigga.

>>724909903
>>724908916
>>724907661
>>724906302
Go back to walking simulators like Last of Us or Red Dead, nig. Plenty of "story" for you. We don't want or need your kind. Fucking faggot.

>>724899270
No, Super Mario 64 was. The game and its hugely successful launch with the N64 made Sony panic (with good reason) and rethink the focus of the Playstation away from 2D games, Arcade ports, and live-action FMV slop, towards big 3D games made with "home-play" sensibilities like Final Fantasy and Spyro. It also made them immediately replace the original SNES ripoff controller with the analog stick and rumble featuring Dualshock controller in imitation of the N64 controllers thumbstick and Rumble Pack. Ironically Mario made Sony turn the Playstation into the success it became by forcing them to really get serious.

>>724909721
To me there two kinds of videogames and it's wrong to categorize them under the same group. One kind is digital games and the other is what I would call videogames.
Digital games are something like Pong, it's not hard to understand what they are, they are a digitalized game, the meaning is contained withing itself, the meaningless action is the whole meaning.
The problem I see with this is that after the novelty you start to realize what a waste of time this kind of videogame really is, as I said I would rather spend that time playing ping pong in real life because there you have meaning that also external to the simple act. Being outside, doing physical activity, spending time with your friends and such.

And then what I would call videogames are basically things that stimulate your thought. Doesn't need to be much, doesn't have to be pretentious. It can be something simple like Ico.
This is something that has no equivalent in real life, it can have value.

>>724910396
See >>724909963 and >>724910119

>>724909903
that makes zero sense.
what meaning is there in MGS?

>>724875060 (OP)
It doesn't have a very good library. It was neat to own in the 90s if you liked arcade games, but for obvious reasons that advantage was entirely lost by the mid-00s. I don't hate the Saturn and I'd even call myself a SEGAfag, but charts like >>724900849 are pretty underwhelming if you know anything about the games and are capable of scrutiny.

>>724909963
>thinking is pretentious
Retarded mutt.
>>724910119
I hate those games, those are what I would use the word pretentious for. You are the faggot here.

>>724910474
nta but war bad, soldier good, don't throw them under the bus

>>724910549
See >>724909649

>>724910396
>Ico
meaningless, when you could be holding hands with a real girl while you yank her around the immediate environment instead.

>>724910592
Don't tease him, it's palpably obvious he's never touched a woman's hand, at least not consensually, and likely never will.

>>724910562
that's not meaning, that's message. if plot is not "meaning" than neither is moral.

>>724910474
It's 3am here, I'm going to bed but can you really infer no meaning from MGS at all? Really?
I would say that a strong theme in the game is belonging. Most Metal Gear characters are misfits looking for a group to belong to, for example.
Good night.

>>724910704
>can you really infer no meaning from MGS at all? Really?
nope, not when you've made up your own personal definition of the word.
>characters
if plot is not meaning then neither are the characters contained within it.
you're definitely making as much coherent sense as the sleep deprived. get a good rest, anon.

>>724875060 (OP)
>>724875271
Sonic Adventure began development on saturn

>>724910647
Holy shit you got me. I will now buy a Saturn and create a Tinder profile.
>>724910592
Yes but there's more to the game than that.
That's the equivalent of saying "well Ivan Ilyich dies in the book, if you see someone dying in real life you have no reason to read the book". Very asinine and passive-aggressive.
Good night.

>>724910910
>Yes but there's more to the game than that.
which is also all meaningless when you could just take up parkour in real life.
>nonsensical attempt at equivalence to back up a nonsensical point
get some sleep, anon.

>>724875060 (OP)
It just plain sucked. Segays will cope about how it's because most of its library was stuck in Japan, but most of its major games were released outside Japan anyway, yet they weren't any good. Imagine the humiliation ritual of playing Tranny Clown, Bug, watered down arcade racers, and bongjank Sonic spinoffs while the competition was getting industry changers every other month.

>>724910910
you're a guy that reads books for the pictures or watches movies for the ost. you're in the wrong hobby. if you hate the idea of games being games maybe games arent for you

The Saturn is what permanently turned me into a weeb, and I embrace it. I literally would not be the person who I am today if I hadn't had one. However, it's been several years since I've played anything on it, though.

Meanwhile, arcade games are king. No videogame is or ever will be worth playing on the basis of its storyline alone. If the mechanics (a.k.a. "gameplay", if you must) of the game aren't good, then the game sucks, period. Every videogame's storyline can be reduced to a single sentence, and everything beyond that is fluff.

>>724911290
>industry changers
the playstation was getting movie game sloppa and the n64 barely got any releases at all. of them they were kiddy mascot platformers and walking sim sloppa. sega saturn had actual games with gameplay

>>724911412
BASED

My uncle had one. Dragon Force and Shining Force 3 were sick.

>>724911412
>system-11 ps1 ports are basically perfect
>there are multiple ports on the saturn that had to be redone and re-released a second time because of how bad the original port was
saturn isn't even the best arcade port machine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNJVcA-ZMPE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppi0iAXi8e0

>>724911672
It wasn't, but the Saturn SNK and Capcom ports far surpassed what the PS1 could do. There was nothing like having a near-perfect XMen VS Street Fighter or Vampire Savior playable at home in the late 90s.

>>724911809
I like both

>>724911809
The US sound is better. The JP one is obnoxious.