Thread 724878945

How do I convince anyone of my friends to slog through ARR by themselves just to then play HW by themselves ect ect when they can just go play marvel rivals.

You can't.

>>724878945 (OP)
how do i convince my friends to play wow.

I don't know this game will get new players. Even if they somehow release an expansion on par or better to SB, You would have to play through 200 hours minimum to get there.
>>724879515
You can't

>>724878945 (OP)
this is one of the most poorly designed games I’ve ever seen. all old content is dead and deprecated, relic weapons are for glamour only, and the duty roulettes just group you with toxic and/or afk people that are addicted to the game. there is nothing of value to be had spending your time in this game

How i did for non cowboy gunblader

>>724881117
Prett cool anon, here's mine. What the name of the set? The leather look really cool.

>>724881213
it’s called figure it out yourself faggot

>>724881213
Allegiance coat, king leonis gloves, frontier trousers, crested boots of crafting

>>724878945 (OP)
The game hasn't been worth recommending for years. Everything past 5.3 has been awful.

my character back before the expac that made rabbitman available

>>724881253
Nice one, we're you expecting a big laugh out of that one buddy?
>>724881326
Thx :)

>>724878945 (OP)
Idk how anyone slogs through this game's campaigns, I typically like mmos but this one did absolutely nothing for me. Guild wars 2 on the other hand...

>>724881438
they don’t. ask you can see they literally just jerk eachother off in these threads

>>724881438
I did it to experience Shadowbringer. I'd say it was kinda worth it but I was skipping alot of cutscenes in ARR and SB.

you did all that shit by yourself when it launched too

i've tried getting into this garbage at least 3 times before, last time i played it was maybe 2 years ago and i just can't stomach it for more than 20 hours. questing is so fucking boring and the combat is too slow. and every time i tried it global chat seems more and more tr**nified

>>724878945 (OP)
yeah it's a problem
im trying to play the game with a friend but after we finish 1 trial i have to wait 20-30 minutes before we can do a dungeon or something together again

>>724878945 (OP)
Why would you try and convince your friends to play a dying MMO?
If you actually wanna play an MMO with friends just wait for a new one release and enjoy the FOMO honey-moon period that lasts 2 months.
That's how MMOs are played these days among normal people

>>724883641
Because I like final fantasy you fucking asshole.

I pushed through ARR because I heard the ending of that and heavensward were good, and to be fair they were. But man stormblood was a boring slog and everything after seat of sacrifice has been ass

>>724878945 (OP)
It’s pretty easy cause it’s free, it’s a good “you have nothing else” game, it’s less brain rotted than compslop

>>724881983
This game has no global chat.

>>724883708
Well you must not like your friends if you want to make them play Final Fantasy.

>>724883832
>"Yeah dude just download 120GB and sit through 50 hours of side quests. "
>"Nah I'm just gonna play six seige"

>>724878945 (OP)
You could never play it any other way but by yourself. I tried to party up with a friend when I first started but the whole game's just endlessly playing tag teleporting around the world and "YOU CAN'T ENTER THIS INSTANCE IN A PARTY." You can't see where your friends are going, you can't share quest progress, you're just reading this movie-book alone

>>724883895
It could do with one honestly. Would make the game feel less lonely.
Anon is probably talking about the Novice Network, which is awful.

They unironically need to bundle a story skip and level skip for the next expansion. Its unreasonable to tell someone to play through all of the MSQ just to play with their friends.

>>724884061
but they can play with their friends in any instanced content they unlock, they don't need to bumrush to DT to do it

>>724884058
if they did add a global chat they'd have to increase the mute list from 200 to 2000
fuck nigthclub spammers

>>724884016
That’s what I’m saying though, the former is better to most people who aren’t brain rotted. Most comp sloppers are mega miserable.

>>724884874
idk chatting on a xbox/playstation party sounds pretty fun, but maybe it's a grass is greener on the other side thing. that's half the reason I got into ff14, I kinda wanted to meet some people but I ended up just enjoying the game as a novel.

How would (you) make an MMO thats story heavy like XIV but is also social, like how an MMO should be, instead of being an online single player game?
also
How would (you) fix FFXIV?

>>724885534
Make it so I don't have to use discord to "meet" people in the game. I say "meet" because i've still not met anyone because discords have strong cliques just like anything else.

>>724878945 (OP)
why would you want your friends to suffer through that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxn2O4g5HQI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfqxHUpMyVg

>>724885658
how would you do that?
you don't have to use discord to do the content, besides forked towers i guess

The game is still filtering low iq normies with no patience. Why would I want that to stop?

Just fucking imagine the smell.
Can't blame Yoshit Piss for burning it all to the ground.

>>724881638
You did good. Sb wad slop.

>>724886105
>fat wrists
Ok you've convinced me to keep playing solo.

>>724885534
garleans and mhiggers get wiped out by a magic plague made by garleans and mhigger.

>>724878945 (OP)
it is getting to be an issue. DT appears to be written in a way that previous expacs don't matter but then Vrtra showing up makes little to no sense and the only scion who gets anything resembling an introduction is Estinien. and then 7.2 and .3 make even less sense.

Feels like they didn't commit to the act fully. and this is also supported by the fact they're still making old dungeons trustable (though DD and AV aren't going to change that much boss wise, we may lose the DD gigapull).

Did anyone else notice they didn't mention blue mage for 7.45?

>>724884141
Anon there is an audience who legitimately does not care about the MSQ and they cant play because of it.
>its a filter
The game is already shit without them.

>>724886501
>muh pulls
This has been a non issues to non trannoids.

>>724878945 (OP)
>more less
/v/ is becoming more ESL infested by the day

>>724886501
>blue mage
brother stop the cope. blue mage is being shelved for BST and BST won't even be until 7.5

>>724886487
i've seen you in multiple threads but i've forgotten to ask you, why do you hate the Garleans and Ala Mhigans?

>>724886534
The MSQ is/was the only reason to play this game. It certainly isn't the awkward, stiff combat and boring exploratory zones.

>>724886630
you are right, the DD long pull hasn't really mattered since they removed the exp gains from individual monsters. used to be one of the fastest ways to level from 44 to 50 back in the day

>>724886641
blue mage is the lowest effort shit possible. pick ~15 abilities, make 1 puzzle boss fight, make a new AF set, done

and i am interested in the new blue mage outfit because BLU and RDM are in the same neighborhood as far as glams

Why are ff14 threads getting deleted again after so many months? Did a wow schizo really get hired onto the janny team again?

>>724886969
Other way around. Threads only get deleted now when they're too negative or when a certain poster can't convince people that Dawntrail was actually good.

>>724884141
>instanced content
>playing through low level content with low level job kits
Bumrushing to DT, or at least ShB at least means their jobs are relatively complete instead of mind numbingly boring

>>724886632
I want to point out a contributing factor to why nu-/v/ seethes at ffxiv

Ffxiv is available in the following languages
>Japanese
>english
>French
>German
And ye olde Shakespeare meme script filters the ESLs

>>724887042
>Dawntrail was actually good.
You can't be serious...

>>724887042
What leads someone to feel the need to defend a company with so much effort like this?

>>724886738
They’re fantasy Russians and Palestinians and you know what the big nose merchant thinks about those.

>>724878945 (OP)
It is increasingly funny to me that Square Enix, the company that nearly bankrupt itself trying to make a hollywood movie for the FF franchise because Sakaguchi was such a westaboo, and had relatively good marketing success with its broad multi media marketing approach for FF15, has not thought of the obvious solution of having some mid-budget anime adaptation for FF14, with accompanying story skips for the MMO. You draw in more of the anime crowd that normally doesn't fuck with FF because it's a video game, and you fix your "new player has to play through 300 hours of story before they're caught up" issue.

>>724887138
Now you're moving the goalposts. You (or another anon) said you had to rush the MSQ to play with your friends. But you don't. I never said it would a complete experience, but there's nothing stopping you from joining your friends all the group content you unlock along the way.

>>724886969
the old thread got deleted because someone was pretending to be the lalas again. had nothing to do with transfaggotry

>>724881117
Wtf are those pants, swap them for Squall's

>>724887370
Sony was working on a TV show but it got quietly cancelled.

>>724887254
Millennials are the most mentally ill generation to ever walk the earth and they were raised on brand loyalty.

>>724887471
Too many belts

>>724885534
Fire the entire dev team, unironically.

>>724887443
Another anon

>>724887450
>lala pictures got posted
>therefore someone was pretending to be those posters
I don't understand. Are those images some kind of identify signature or something?

>Cocoli died long ago
>someone is posting pics, pretending to be him and talking about big Roe cocks
spooky

>>724887696
>>724887613
why did you post twice

>>724878945 (OP)
Make an alt and play with them.

The thing is though, the game isn't designed for people to actually want to play through the free trial. Every single person I've convinced to try it, without fail, has bought the game and their sub before finishing ARR. The trial is designed to make your experience feel incomplete and inadequate even though you really don't miss out on much of anything with where you are in the game. SE proceeds to trap you with sunk fallacy, and buying a story skip for the game becomes a no brainer for new players just so they can save time. After that they learn how to do endgame content and either fall in love with it or more commonly fail to get into it and move on. No refunds.

If your friends were never into MMOs to begin with, don't bother. They won't get into xiv especially in its current sorry state.

>>724887696
RIP Big Coco
>>724887737
Why are you using faux apathetic all lowercaps to pretend you aren't mad?

>>724887553
>Too many belts
Your gay coat has 7 belts retard

I only still play because I love my cute retarded moonie WoL

>>724887842
Yeah its already almost too many lol

>>724887912
Moonies universally do look low IQ

>>724887497
Ugh. Google summary says it was supposed to be a live action original story separate from the main game story. How the fuck do these executives make the wrong decisions every fucking times that would have been fucking awful.

>>724878945 (OP)
I like story based games way more than Marvel Rivals.

>>724887810
i'm totally not owned right now. yeah i lost and all but i'm actually really calm rn

>>724888096
They do, which is why they're perfect for a WoL. No thoughts in that head, just zug zug.

>>724887370
i was now reminded of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf3cCkM9M84 and how many people there were who started asking for an XIV anime

>>724878945 (OP)
Thats what happens when you are the mary sue the entire world revolves around.

My idea was to create new starter zones for the new expansion and your story starts in the new zones post End Walker. But then I realized you are the WoL so it doesnt make sense.

>>724880229
>the duty roulettes just group you with toxic and/or afk people that are addicted to the game
That hasn't been my experience at all. I've played for ten years and I've been in parties with maybe two toxic people ever, and one of them apologized before the end of the dungeon.

I realized I don't care even about the story or characters in 14, so this game is just not for me at all. I went back to LOTRO since I somehow have a lifetime sub to that game I don't remember buying when they were available

>>724887569
how would you ironically fire the dev team?

>>724887540
It is true. I am a millenial and have personally witnessed my peers use brands as a replacement for a personality. Being in the minority of millenials that does not give a shit about brands, products, or organizations that I am not personally part of has been brutal. Imagine trying to explain to someone that their sports team not winning doesn't actually matter in regards to their life and getting into a heated argument over it. I witnessed a friend literally cry and have a meltdown when Sony showed the Wonder Book at E3 that one year because his entire personality was "Sony fan". I have seen shit you would not believe with my generational peers. Finding a non-retarded millennial for me is like finding a unicorn.

>>724878945 (OP)
>go play marvel rivals
You should ditch them on the basis of having such low standards that they settle for western super heroes. I’m embarrassed for them

>>724888354
Based. Is LOTRO worth checking out? Can I be a hobbit with a big fuck off two hander?

>>724888185
Is there a reason you're so livid, little buddy?

>>724888440
my umbrella got blown away in a storm and someone put the cookies on the top shelf :(

>>724888438
LOTRO is worth checking out for Mines of Moria alone.
Easily the best underground experience in an MMO

>>724888412
Tried making new friends but it's virtually impossible these days, people are too narcisistic and flaky. Maybe thats just a zoomer problem but I have to keep any firends I still have at this point regardless of their quality.

why don't they just fix the class design so jobs don't feel like unfinished dogshit until level 70/80 (at least 100 hours of play)

>>724878945 (OP)
My friend convinced me to play through the MSQ leading up to Dawntrail and got me super hyped for the Dawntrail release. Then I played Dawntrail. My friend didn't even finish the Dawntrail MSQ. I no longer play XIV and we are no longer friends (unrelated).

>>724888438
>Is LOTRO worth checking out?
yes

>>724888572
Yo Big Coco, I thought you passed on!

someone post that image of the 4 lala girls on a bench

>>724888806
even if i die someone will pretend to be me in threads for years to come when folderkun's plans A, B and C fail to get him attention

DT made me stop subbing. I only come back when there is a free login campaign. The story is still absolute shit after 7.0. 7.4 is around the corner and then a year of nothing. Game needs job flavor again and to remove the gear treadmill. Ban any mod sharing third party apps, force people to have to download their friends mods. Make cross-DC PF a thing. This game was only palatable because the MSQ was decent and made you care about the setting. With DT it became utter shit, yes there is more gameplay content with DT but it's all dead discord only content now.

>>724886105
>vampire familiar tattoo on the wrist

>>724885534
You need to die

>>724886641
>responding to the bait

>>724885534
It's fundamentally not something a JRPG would do, but I thought back to BG3 and how much you can solve various quests in different ways: Talk through it, attack, ambush, sneak by, have a quest completed earlier that'd help with it, ect. And that would be a gold standard to me for a story heavy RPG. There's the bandits who stole Wuk's milkmommy's bracelet in Arizona, remember that? You have to make poo-poo-pee-pee bombs to scare them off (Thankfully they are feather Indians rather than dot Indians, else it would just empower them). A more novel way to do something like that is:

1) You can try and sneak in if you've leveled up ninja, but if caught they are really fucking tough, elite mob tier. Think of it like the bit in bozja where you had to sneak past guys who I think were sound sensitive. They had the stupid stealth portions so have that - as an OPTION, not mandaotry.
2) You can just muscle up and rush in and fight em, but that might have consequences down the line.
3) You can masquerade as a traveling culinarian if you have it leveled high enough, get some question and answers you have to pass to convince them to let them try your food (which you've laced with sedatives). If you fail the QnA then they tell you to fuck off and this avenue is closed off.

You get the idea. If you play XIV you will get the exact same story experience every time with no deviation. SWOTR as much as I can remember for what, 15 years ago, had it where you could go down different routes.

They'll never ever do this.

I am a Lalafell, I'm told I'm Dunesfolk but I grew up in Gridania.

>>724889226
The Elementals don't want you there, come home.

>>724878945 (OP)
Its for and always has been for final fantasy fans, not live-service hopping bottomfeeders. Just recommend it as you would a single player story-based jrpg.
Although even that's hard to do now with how boring jobs are, at least you felt cool and like you had a fully fleshed out situational kit in ARR/HW

>>724878945 (OP)
>MSQ from the start is "go to point A to B"
>talk to NPCs, a lot of it unvoiced
>ARR story is kinda boring and post-ARR also exists
>you have only 3-4 buttons in a lot of early dungeons
the new player experience in XIV is so ass is runs primarily on gaslighting new players that it'll be good very soon

>>724887370
>Sakaguchi wanted to make a big epic movie
>Collapses
>Yoshida wanted to make a big epic movie game
I am not familiar enough with FF16's performance in sales to say if it's a collapse or not, and I am not barry, but I would say this same 'movie game' mentality definitely inspired forspoken which was a disaster and I am not sure if Babylon's fall was or not.

But yeah time is a flat circle.

>>724888806
this dude will never erp with you

>>724878945 (OP)
>TroonFantasy XIV
I recommend a noose around your neck

>>724889376
https://youtu.be/Q1T0mz519OE?si=Pdc4bb56JRUbcuXF

>>724889602
FF16 sold like shit and had a planned TV show and stage play that got cancelled because everyone hated it. It had a promising launch but us retards who bought it first found out how bad it was and warned everyone else so the sales immediately halted.

>>724885534
I make new zones like pre-nerf eureka which is also where people do relics, design it in such a way that hunt-trannies can't do their shit and actually need to play the game too instead of just chaining shit
you also need to physically travel to the dungeons btw and queue up in front of them

We can easily do the math for that. Apparantly with conversion is comes out to .10/hr in USD, so basically 10hrs=$1.

So let's say on average you play for 4/hr day, 30 days, 120hrs=12hr, so potential to be "cheaper" but also potential to be way more expensive. 720hrs in amonth about and let's say an average playtime could range from 150-250hrs depending on the timeframe the game is currently in, like say raiding and maybe we shoudl take being AFK into account whilke it would'nt be done anymore but there are plenty who would just stay logged on waiting for others which would be harder to do when time is being charged by the hour.

So basically the range for 150-250 is 15/25/month, and of course that goes up the longer you stay online so overall I would argue why there is possibility that it could be cheaper I think at the end of the day it does just balance out to being the same amount plus the mental not of being charged by the hour would make planning things even more tedious as you would have to be mindful of time people have and honestly that overall headache imo feels like it wouldn't be worth the time to implement for the average gamer.

>>724889617
Not even if I play a max height male Hellsguard?

>>724884023
mst3k style
arr through stormblood i spent my time laughing at it with my boy
now in endwalker i care and also it has gotten noticeably better even though we often are not playing in the same instance.
wish we were tho but it’s still good

>>724889762
I loved FF16. Been meaning to replay it.

Is it still hard for everyone to recruit members even after PLL ?

I’m trying to find 2 tanks for semi hardcore hours (every evening + all day weekend) to attempt a week 1 clear, and been searching since September.

I’ve had like 2 applications until PLL and now I’m getting more application but the quality … bro you never finished a savage tier why do you expect a week 1 group to recruit you.

PLD and SGE are the most common. Our static cleared with PLD/SGE/VPR/BLM, but my friends static have cleared with WAR, SCH, MCH, SMN etc. MNK and DNC from what I know are only the 2 unideal jobs in Q40 because their hard hitting cleave is proximity and dancing around its gimmick to hit the correct boss is more inconvenient than not. I've also seen WHM clear too. But in general, bring a PRange for extra mits if you static is strugging with mit check.

Q15 is literally the same fight as Q40, but with raidwides, bleeds tuned down, the cross shaped aoe after chains and the middle fireman add missing. Expect your tank to burn around 600-800 regen pots and everyone else 200-300 regen pots from prog to clear.

>7.4 coming soon
>it's more Solution 9/Alexandria stuff

Imagine you make a fantasy version of South America but you make it so safe and boring nobody actually cares about it. They really didn't try with Tural at all, did they?

UCoB is really fun if you do have to do it's mech and you can't mess up stuff. Nael is fun and the fight is very thematic at the end with how it presents itself to fits the story.

>>724890283
I was so beyond hyped for Tural.

>>724890283
I am so excited for Tural.

>>724889762
There’s no reason to make shit up. Ffxvi is a shit game but it sold decently for sabotaging itself with the ps5 shit, by the time it came out on pc everyone knew it sucked

>>724878945 (OP)
If you can't stomach some cutscenes which are skippable for the vast majority then you are an ADHD zoomer. No wonder they'd rather play Rivals.

>>724878945 (OP)
>spend all the time leveling to do the new content
>it's still just "press these buttons in this order" and "you better the know the dungeon's gimmick ahead of time"

MMOs are anti-fun.

Savage weekly lockout removed in 2 weeks, let's goooooo! Wait... where did everyone go? The OC announcements were very whelming... Still waiting for something substantial made to FT so it ain't a slog anymore. The difficulty on a personal level isn't what irks me. Such a high probability of just wiping and getting booted out without using all the lives we have is just pure annoyance. It pains me to say so, but I think a nerf is in order. The "new" tag on criterion layout is worrying me, if they removed adds/trash, I will be sad, they were actually good. Nothing new announced on Criterion Savage (and I'm happy about it).

>>724890071
>I’ve had like 2 applications until PLL and now I’m getting more application but the quality … bro you never finished a savage tier why do you expect a week 1 group to recruit you.
Beggars can't be choosers.

>>724890283
It’s funny because around the time of DT there were like 3 other fantasy South Americas that were cooler. Genshin did it better (pic fucking related they even had trials), PoE 2 did it better, there was some other one I forgot.

Well, I don't speak Japanese, it's like it's something that should've been clearly laid out on the slides (and not implicitly made with their long descriptions, I legit didn't know if they were deleted or not).

Anyway, a bummer, 3/5 of the fun of criterion has been lost.

>>724890283
>it's more Solution 9/Alexandria stuff
Smart. That's the only part of Dawntrail that was any interesting and had qts to boot.

Friend of mine kept malding that people were allowed to play DRK in bikinis or animal suits but he wasn't allowed to use DRK with the tomestone katana, Delta's Striking chest piece, and Maiming head piece to make a big armored samurai glam. May be too late but at least you can do that now without mods.

We need more glamour plates though

>>724890726
I think this will be an interesting litmus test. People already making low-IQ clownsuits without the restriction will only serve to make more retarded outfits with it out. People who want to embrace class fantasy to a more advanced degree can really go further than ever before. I see this as a good thing, because the retarded weren't going to be not-retarded with restrictions, but the enlightened have less barriers and restrictions.

>>724890283
>They really didn't try with Tural at all, did they?
They started phoning it in the second Endwalker dropped, anon

The reaction to the glamour restrictions being lifted is very telling and reinforces my longstanding belief that they need to understand how big fashion is to the playerbase at large.

I am not exaggerating at all when I say they need to make a glamour collection system similar to what wow has their top priority. This would be a game changer and also revitalize running old content to collect everything. A huge boon for casual and solo players too.

Maybe this in the works already for all I know but man this type of massive system change should be all hands on deck especially over something like another frontline map. And I’m saying this as someone that just thinks glam is kind of neat. For a massive amount of players it’s the entire game.

>>724889745
Ya seethe?

>>724891058
Designing good systems or UI is not something Japanese tend to do

>>724891239
fr, as a failmale it was much better for me to transition, my life got so much better.

>>724878945 (OP)
There's no reason not to have a skip to latest MSQ button on new accounts.
>b-but
Shut up. Tons of players at max level dont know what their buttons do after 300 hours, it makes no difference.

One of the necessary conditions for that system is making it so that acquiring a piece of gear unlocks its model/appearance rather than being tied to that specific piece, and making gear glammable by all classes allows them to unify references to multiple small variations/reuses of the same model under the hood. They made multiple mentions that this was just one component of the glamour rework they have been working on and wanted to get this out before 8.0.

>>724890283
Tural was such a fucking failure. You can hardly blame the 7.X writers for setting almost all of the action in S9, there’s nothing for the WOL to do in Tural. There’s no crisis to solve, no problems to fix, no interesting hanging plot threads from the 7.0 MSQ to address. All there is to do is sit around and talk about tacos, peace, and happiness.

>>724891605
I can blame the writers because the writers made it that way to begin with.

I think the apparent news that they're working on making the open world better is promising for the direction the game is heading in. That's something I thought they were never going to touch, because the playerbase doesn't really challenge them on that at all. I hope they are truly trying to figure out how to make the game better after the years of rinse and repeat since Shadowbringers especially. We have to see how it goes, but hopefully next expansion will show a lot of huge improvements to the game that they might have been working on.

I'm glad they're trying a new difficulty in-between Variant and Criterion, that's something a lot of us wanted back when it released. Their track record is horrible for finding a good difficulty, with Quantum being the latest failure, so I hope this will at least be a step in the right direction. It's better if it's too easy than if it's too hard in my opinion, we really need some fun and repeatable battle content for non-raiders and I hope they can figure it out. It's too bad base Variant is seemingly unchanged though, it has potential but I guess they wanted to try the Advanced difficulty instead of making changes to that.

>>724890283
You can't have Tural without Wuk and since the playerbase drclared that character as reason for world hunger, they have to stay in fucking S9.

there he goes
copy/pasting again

>>724891668
I don’t really think so. The resident schizophrenic goes overboard but there was the DEI consultation poison pill that happened with DT. Most certainly in response to FFXVI getting raped by journos for muh browns or whatever.

If you remember the initial announcement, they included some blurb about consulting to not be offensive or whatever. You can also tell it happened because DT, for as shitty as it is, was never buried by the journo mob for being le problematic colonial propaganda or whatever. It’s like a protection racket

If the whole Gold Saucer update they announced at the fan fests is just this Air Force One map, then I'm really disappointed. I thought it would be a bigger update, maybe on a Doman Mahjong level. I also just don't like Air Force One since it's solo, but maybe there's another update in 7.5, who knows.

Seeing people go crazy for the glamour restriction lifting is expected, the devs definitely know this too and probably have more things to fall back on during hard times like that. Imagine how people would react if we got a proper glamour log or instanced housing. On the other hand, it does show another example of them finally being willing to budge on things during this expansion, because Yoshi-P said earlier in Dawntrail he didn't want to see Black Mages in armor. I hope they're really trying to turn things around, we need to see the formula broken next expansion in some way and a healthier direction for the game, and especially job design that's actually fun and engaging.

>>724891605
>role quests on tural
>they are hildibrand tier humor

>>724891854
That's true, but why does it have to be an echo of real world Brazil to begin with? They could have just made pure fantasy. And even so, there are ways to do conflict without making precious browns look bad. There's so much they could have done, it was basically a whole two continents that were blank slates.

Iin FFXVI you see shiny spots of light on the ground in the world where you can go and find stuff like.. 3 gil! You can also find crafting material you have dozens of and only needed to make one. I honestly felt like the game was trolling me with the FFXVI exploration rewards, especially the 3 gil piles. IWhy even put those those in the game? What is 3 gil going to do? They literally spent time making dozens of shiny spots on the world map for useless rewards and for a while I kept going to them thinking they would get better and I would finally find something good but that never happened. It almost felt cruel, like they're just designing stuff in FFXVI to actively waste the player's time and they know it, and that's not even mentioning most of the sidequests. The main game itself was fun enough, the story had a lot of potential but just turned out okay. It was mostly just the pointless filler that brought FFXVI down a lot for me.

When I found out to get the ultimate weapon to "help you in your next playthrough" you had to basically be at the final boss again I just said, nope and stopped playing. What is the point of giving me the recipe and saying here you can craft this, but only after you pretty much beat the game again. Why, who designed this? 16 was a let down for me and I would have been upset if I waited for it to come to PC.

>>724892165
is this a copypasta?

>>724892371
They should just sell it for $29.99 like other games do.

I had hopes when they first mentioned Advanced Variant Dungeons, but OF COURSE it's just boss battles. Because this game doesn't have enough pve content that is only about the boss battles.

Why even bother with the concept of Variant Dungeons if 3 of its (now) 4 modes of difficulty remove the main point of the "variant" system?

Just delete the concept of Variant/Criterion already and just call it Oops, It's More Raids instead. That's all their combat team knows. Trials and raids. Trials and raids.

>>724892654
No, the spammer just takes OF posts and pastes them here.

I can promise you this is a result of them realizing the only creative talent they have on the team. Its just bad because the mechs are entirely movement based and if you've done one fight you've seen them all. When you add in the fact that the jobs are horrible to play, it looses alot of its appeal. They should just release more Savage Raids than just turning everything ekse into it

If it was still ARR I think I would care about glam restrictions being lifted causing jobs/roles to lose their visual identity but that boat sailed so long ago that it just seems like the natural choice given the way the game has been going for a while. A whm wearing full plate, a drk wearing a robe, or someone wearing nothing but a thong and a camisole into a dungeon are already possible now so it's not like we're about to cross a line that wasn't crossed years ago. I'm looking forward to finally being able to use crafter/gatherer gear finally too.

>>724878945 (OP)
>>724879665
Just start releasing non-sequential expansions. We need an expansion that you can play from the beginning or post-ARR.
FFXI did it, XIV could do it too. It's what Dawntrail should have been.

>>724885814
Screams chinese/korean grindfest with legalized RMT and botting
The usual slop

I'd be extremely skeptical it's "out of the blue". Given the weird ass database spaghetti bullshit this game seems to operate under where EVERYTHING is tied to EVERYTHING all over the place... I wouldn't be surprised to learn that doing this basically meant they had to completely uncouple every single piece of gear and redefine how it exists within the item categorizations. And it probably had to be done fucking manually piece-by-piece. The whole idea of how seemingly random abilities share timers between two different jobs. They've very slowly been undoing those weird spaghetti attachments over the years. When GNB first released, its dash was tied to the timer on WAR's Vengeance if I remember correctly (or something similar, I don't fully remember because it isn't like that anymore), so if you used Vengeance then swapped job to GNB, your dash would have a 120s cooldown on it because it was arbitrarily linked to the dash in their database in the background as "the same ability ID but with different a different job ID attached to it".

post your WoLs faggots

>>724893848
nah!

>>724893848
behold

>>724893970
why not anon

I was predicting glamour restriction for 8.0 because is a good reason to return to the game with an expansion and that feature.
But now they have to add something really interesting to the expansion to sell it.

The criteron changes look pretty questionable (I enjoyed both the trash sections and the vibe created by the limited timer and the raise restriction, but especially the trash sections which are kind of unique for post-faust XIV and were honestly executed really well), but as always I'll wait and see how the content actually turns out before judging it. If the bosses are on q40 level or even above it (?), it'll probably be great content as they generally seem to place less restrictions on the devs for 4man content, which has made some very interesting or fun prog mechanics so far.

Other than that everything looks pretty positive, especially the delayed savage release as it means I can stay HC for the tier. I just hope they manage to still tune week 1 check to feel like a proper week 1 check. (I hold the somewhat unpopular opinion among these parts that post-TOP dps checks could have been more challenging)

>>724891854
>>724892045
>in response to FFXVI getting raped by journos for muh browns or whatever.
Bingo. The DEI consultant whitewashing was last minute so they couldn't do much but cut anything problematic.

>>724878945 (OP)
why are you not playing with them dumbass make a new character

>>724893848
Posted mine already here>>724881213

>>724893848
>>724894019
>>724893970
you avatarfagggots belong on /vg/

>>724894173
i said no dude wtf
i am not adhering to the vg mentality

>Ability prune happens
>all of the useless skills get pruned
>happens to be a majority of the low level ones
>jobs don't start coming together after 60
>new players can go 10+ levels without a usable skill
>Can go 50+ hours if playing normally before some jobs even remotely become fun
>nevermind that SE originally removed skills like Transpose which bricked the class job for a while
If they remove abilities again, they should at least lower the levels of remaining skills. They can keep the capstone abilities at every 10 levels.

>>724894173
remember to check your spambox for your janny acceptance letter

>>724894234
Almost read through this wall of text but then I realized there's a vtuber in it

>>724878945 (OP)
Why would you ask then to do that if you consider yourself their friend? What's wrong with you?

>>724894234
>streamlined playstyle for each class with all its foundation in by level 50
>mega pruning

I always thought post-EW could’ve cooked with that Void/Thirteenth MSQ story with Zero if they just added a new zone for one of those story patches (in the void) and had MSQ both take place in that new zone, and Eureka/Bozja type content happen in that zone too. Just as an experiment. But they really could’ve fleshed out that plotline with the Four Fiends having different factions in this void zone to do Bozja type fate content on, and each story patch have you finish off each Fiend after CE type encounters with them prior etc.

I mostly just find it weird that they’ll add four new zones for cosmic exploration, but imagine how much more novel it could be if we got a new zone in a post-patch MSQ instead and they just integrated exploratory content there, as well as keeping post-patch fresh with a new area. I mean their zones are all under-utilised as is so I get they want post-patch to make use of them, but they could have our characters going somewhere new in these post-patch stories instead

>>724894392
>I always thought post-EW could’ve cooked
stopped reading there lmao

>>724894418
He's copy/pasting messages from old Reddit threads instead of his manual image spam dump.
I guess he got bored of doing the same thing day in day out, it has been years after all.

Where is my new boss/summon epic battle yoshi-p you faggot??? Not even a crumb of hydaelyn vs zodiark???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecMSU6BiE8Q

>>724890283
>Tural
>most of the MSQ is spent on the literal roads or in the safety of towns
>barely have to kill any trash mobs or explore the zone outside of Aether Currents
I really wonder what the point of it all was.

>>724894821
so you could "get to know the people" or whatever

>>724892045
I don’t know. It should have been FFX spira in my opinion. A Sin and Tidus equivalent lend themselves naturally to FFXIV’s setting. Especially the latter.

A ffxiv tidus would be like a benevolent primal that isn’t even aware it’s a primal. The drama kind of writes itself while easily diverging from ffx and doing its own thing. What if that was Wuk’s arc instead of…..uh….papa’s peas….

Mb tranny spammer is weird.

>>724894234
ARR in general should just be level 1-30, almost every single thing about it could be scaled down 3/5ths, especially job quests, with heavensward being crunched into 30-50 and everything else being moved down 10 levels

>>724894821
Woman's idea of foreign cultures: Just the things she sees in their tourist resorts

>>724894392
I thought the 13th would’ve been the next bozja when bozja came out

>>724894234
they should just make lesser variants of certain skills and put them lower or whatever

I tried to play this game back when "it killed WoW" and I was just running through the desert chasing quest markers while unvoiced cutscenes happened. It's not good.

unsubbed in january after my 6 month sub I got with the expansion ran out. I really regret that 6 month sub. I regret playing this shit in the first place. MMOs are no longer fun to me and SE is not what I grew up with

>>724890593
FGO basically had its own hopeless version of EW where no one beyond the player character actually made it out alive as the South America lostbelt

>>724893239
I want to play XI again so fucking bad, but it would completely ruin my already mediocre life.

>>724895198
My OC idea for exploratory content is the alternate, black rose timeline Eorzea.

It’s a way to being back the original zones, but with a twist. A way to have fun with nostalgia and fan service shit.

Paradox Weapons are the relic weapons, (You) work with Gerolt’s and Rowena’s great great great great grand daughter or whatever (and also have gerolt work on it hence the paradox).

Like OC, it has a sort of phantom jobs equivalent that are based on the OG jobs that were available during the time split that have splintered off from ours as the job stones in their time line have recorded new abilities.

Thematically it’s like pottery. It rhymes. (You) really saved yourself because your exploits inspired the doomed timeline. The doomed timeline really saved itself because its exploits saved you, who then returned the favor.

Square don’t hire me but take my idea

>>724893848
Normally this but I swap from endwalker paladin and that black coat outfit i posted earlier

>>724893239
>>724895591
It's easier these days but still a lot of fun. The endgame content is where the timesink is, if you're into that.
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/index.shtml

>>724895412
Yeah this isn’t the one I was thinking of but this is another example of South America being some better

Why do you guys still play this, or really any MMO, when stuff like gachas provide all the good parts of an MMO with none of the downsides? The genre is dying for a reason, it provides nothing of worth and all the games in it are terrible. Just move on, like the adventure and RTS players before you. You are clinging to something that is not ever going to come back and you're clearly unhappy playing what you have, so why keep doing it?

>>724893848
Why?

Imagine playing this slop after Dawntrail.

>>724896121
>just play gambling games
gacha gameplay is ass
gacha story is ass
What are you gaining..sexy .jpgs?

I'm crushed that criterion savage is removed. I did all three back to back almost two years ago and had been so looking forward to the next ones.

So I usually don't like making negative kinds of posts, but I just want to know if anyone feels the same.

I came back to the game to try out 7.3, and of course I wanted to try Unreal. I watched a guide and figured, "Okay, this can't be as difficult as Suzaku." And for the most part, it wasn't. Of course we wiped a lot, but then we started to get the mechanics down and stopped dying.

But there's just one mechanic I can't stand—and I refuse to go back into it because of this: that BS enrage near the end, the 0.2% health-left wipe.

Last patch cycle, I accepted it even though I didn't like it. I trudged through that mess on Suzaku every week just to get some virtual leaves to give to a dog with a big head. Well, I refuse to spend the next few months repeating this same enrage nonsense. And now I’m guessing the boss after this one will also have that absurd mechanic too.

So Square, you can keep your fake leaves. I’m sick of this trash. If I die 30 times to mechanics before that, okay—my fault. But enrage? Enrage is just such garbage.

And yeah, I know: “Skill issue” / “Mad 'cause bad.” I just don’t care anymore. I’m calling it how I see it.

>>724878945 (OP)
Wow the cheats come pre-installed now???

>>724895348
elezen sex

>>724896323
MMO gameplay is ass
MMO story is ass

What are you gaining... yet another pointless glamour?

>>724896121
I have been told ffxiv is not an mmo

>>724896121
If you had any sense you'd just play single player or non-MMO multiplayer games like first person action games, fighting games or even - Kunlun forgive me for saying this - Mobas.

There is literally no good reason to play or engage with gacha shit.

>>724896425
Im wracking my brain to find the exception... but... doesnt every extreme have an enrage? Sure, some fights are easy to the point that hitting enrage is harder then clearing, but its still THERE. And being based on extremes, every unreal would have an enrage as well. Enrage exists to prevent fights from just becoming drawn-out war of attrition slogs. I remember a week 1 Ridoranna where the Math Boss took more then 25 mins to kill. There were 3 or 4 people who played essentially perfectly, and 20ish who were on the ground for more then 15 mins each. They would throw out a couple raises where they could, but whoever they got up would inevitably die(either to lack of healing on raidwides, or to the next spin-cycle attack). It was amazing, it was painful, it was painfully amazing and amazingly painful.

>>724896121
What are you even talking about? gachashit and MMOs have nothing in common.

Assuming the game gets a combat rework what would you jobs strength and weaknesses
>warrior
>high hp and can handle any melee weapon with ease
>lack of natural defensive skills
>highly weak to magic

>>724896121
I like the story a lot, the animations feel sick as fuck when im swinging my exploding sword into monsters and everyone calls me an unstoppable killing machine bitch ass nigga, get that ass banned

There is a player base in this game that likes to do stuff at max level and ins't doing the latest difficulty dungeon ... they enjoy housing, glam and a myriad of other things, which has been the attraction of ffxiv in the first place ... and this for a long time has been the draw of the game for many players, including older players, disabled players, those who may play for themselves, with their children, or even grandchildren in some cases. They happily made their way through the MSQ, making mistakes and learning, not burdening other players with their lack of speed and reactions, and making their way via duty support to end game.

However, come DT and things changed.. The speed with which aoe's are chucked out is ridiculous for some players except almost professional players. Yes, we can work out our mistakes, yes, we can move when need, but not at that speed. Not as an older/disabled player.

I think that it's not only the lack of content, diffuculty of content or whatever ... I think alot of older and/or disabled players that enjoyed the game and invested a lot of money through subs and/or online store purchases, have now decided it all too much and cancelled their subs. They cannnot progress any further, especially if, as Yoshi has said, it will get even more difficult.

I know my post is coming from only one part of the fandom, but I also know that many other parts are unhappy, so what should they do ... or will they go down the Blizz route and not listen to anyone?

>>724896708
True, gachashit is better than MMOs

>>724896701
the only fight i can remember off the top of my head maybe not having an enrage was old garuda EX, i think she just cycled her last couple phases until she died
definitely every ex primal post leviathan did

>>724896121
I played a game of blade soccer in miliastra and saw someone named alphinaud

My problem with savage isn't the "difficulty", it's just a memory game at the end of the day, my issue is that it's just a memory game - there is no skill expression, the mandatory damage is carefully calibrated to not kill you as long as the right buttons are pressed and the fail damage causes a wipe then and there, no room for healers to save the run, no room for tanks to do anything to save the run, no room for good dps players to beat the dps check anyway just "you slipped up, back to the start." From what I'm told Ultimate is the same but longer.

In terms of dungeon and trial content, I feel like partywide damage should be twice as high and thrice as often, that'd give healers an actual purpose to exist, tank busters too should be at least 50% stronger, if not 100%. Mitigate or die, also get healed or die and yeah, if tanks die on account of healers not doing their jobs then I'll be the first to complain with them about those healers not doing their jobs.

>>724896826
>I like the story
Really? I mean, maybe in older expansions, but you genuinely like the story as it is now in FFXIV?

Yesterday I decided to let my sub lapse, and my houses demo. (FC and personal, on a few different worlds, mostly dynamis where they aren't in short supply. Not that supply is an issue now, with my home world having over 400 empty homes as we speak.) Not because I "can't" do the content, but because I realized doing it isn't FUN. I play games to relax and unwind, but fast paced "gotcha" mechs aren't that. FFXIV was made and billed as an MMORPG, not an action game, and so I think a lot of us who came for an MMORPG experience are sort of losing interest. My class fantasy is being killed off, as we no longer have class quests to explain our new moves, and the fast-paced nature of the fights no longer feel like the game I signed up for.

We can call for accessibility, which is desperately needed, but let's also just admit that this game no longer appeals to the crowd that it was made for. FF as a series seems to be embracing a more "action rpg" feel, and its core playerbase will also change as a result. I'm sad to leave, but if I'm not having fun, why stay?

Hjy0a gay and rewtrded drad game for gag teyards

Is early game queueing for dungeons and hests supposed to be as long as high ranked mobas? Is it server dependent? I waited on a queue for 40+ min the other day and I can't imagine doing that for the rest of my time with the game. I'm in Crystal if that matters. Shit's kinda infuriating and retarded. I haven't been accosted by trannies yet so I guess it's not so bad.

I can only name a single one shot and it's lala's 270 degree cleave which kills you in savage as opposed to just giving you a dd. I also can't think of any telegraph changes.

>>724878945 (OP)
>becoming more less newcomer friendly

>>724897725
DPS queue is always long

>>724881438
>Guild wars 2 on the other hand...
BEAT UP THE BIGOT

>>724897725
what dungeon were you queueing for?

>>724889226
Makes sense. The giant watermill in Gridania was made by a Dunesfolk lala woman.

>>724898028
slavery?!?!?!?!?
IN MY BIDEOHAMES!??!?!"+0012312839

>>724897242
Im still in 6.1 lel

Did dumpy get image banned? This cretin is spamming text walls

>>724897725
The queues for this game are absolutely atrocious, especially as a DPS, which is why FFXIV lets you take NPCs into the dungeons now that you can complete them with, which is the only reason sprouts can actually complete the MSQ nowadays. The games totally not dying or anything though.

>>724878945 (OP)
you tell them it's full of LGBTQMNSOP people like yourself and you can all ERP together since that's the only people still playing this game

>>724896898
savage as it existed was a deathless speedrun achievement, nothing more. they should have kept it as an achievement but leaving it as its own mode was stupid

>>724898356
win

>>724878945 (OP)
>more less new player friendly
cmon man

>>724898414
Dumpy killed himself or some shit there’s been some newfag trying to keep his legacy going or some shit but he’s weak shit not unlike dumpy being a weaker barry

>>724887205
Who is that? Please tell me that's not Vinesauce Vinny's editor?

I agree that it's getting faster and faster. I think it's because they're doing less convoluted mechanics (random example: in Amdapor, there was this zombie gobbue that would eat a party member, but he'd taken his sweet time with it. I think they removed it, but you used to be able to give the tether to someone else to avoid being eaten lol) so they consider you need less time to solve them effectively.
However, pretty much none of these mechanics are actually "gotchas" unless it's the very first time you see one of its type back when you start the MSQ. Like some others on this thread mentioned before, the orange aoe has gone from being the "this is the danger zone" marker to a confirmation on whether you solve it correctly or not, and if not, it will punish you as appropriate. Older content mostly relies on castbars and mechanics that interacts with other things that aren't the boss's model, but nowadays they want you to look at the boss/arena for clues on how to solve a mech, stand where you think you will be safe, and see the confirmation on if you were right or not.

Could you please give me an example of a gotcha mechanic that got you? I know there are some still, but I can't quite remember them off the top of my head and Google isn't doing me any favors right now...

>>724898139
No her father moved there when she was young, and ran into that good ol Wildwood hospitality.

>>724890283
The writing really was on the wall.

>>724898867
Seeing lots of plots opening up on many of the DC's and servers I'm on wonder why?

>>724896839
Trust exist for a reason, and even if you don't do trusts you can get carried by 3 other people, but it seems like everyone who actually has the capacity to play the game to do so doesn't anymore. So now your paired with 3 other people who just make things unfun unless you're playing tank and can solo the boss but that takes too long.
>>724896996
Savage should have multiple mechanics that can happen at any time and are randomized. I literally can't do savage after clearing the tier because it's so boring.

>>724896121
Genshin gameplay is mega dodo lol

>>724899119
He's not gonna answer something he copied from elsewhere lol

>>724890283
New World had a more interesting South American premise than FFXIV Dawntrail and New World is about to shut down, so that tells you South America as a game aesthetic isn't really that popular.

Hot take : It feels better to run dungeons alone nowadays in MMOs.

People are retarded zoomers who know everythign and blaze through everything at light speed. No exploration, no questing, no time to enjoy stuff, to look at stuff. Playing with bots/soloing is unironically better. Same with wow. Raiding is too tedious, you re expected to brign consumables or learn bosses and shit, voice chats, schedules, then you keep wiping for stuff irrelevant to what youve done.

I bet the dozens of addon ringing and people talking completely overrides all the ingame music or sounds. and so on

>>724899041
no way this is real
>>724899231
south america could be a neat aesthetic
if DONE WELL
DT was a shitshow due to bad writing and "muh sensitivity writing"
New world was just a bad game

I don't think many people have unsubbed because DT is too hard, you're more apt to lose people if something is not hard/engaging enough. I know there have been people to bring this up but it's not good to punish 99% of the player-base because 1% is struggling. The easy solution is to allow trust/duty support avatars to revive you or you change the difficulty of the dungeon like how solo duties are for the trust/duty support. No one would be upset that someone cleared the most recent msq dungeon with revives from trust NPC's lol And I see people say there's a lack of content in DT but that's not even remotely true. It kinda comes down to what content you enjoy doing and if you don't enjoy doing extremes, field operations, pvp, deep dungeons, crafter/gatherer roles and alliance raids then there's just genuinely not much for you to play then aside from anything attached to msq lol

>>724898867
Dancing Greens left right cleave DDR minigame.
Sugar Riots winged bombs.
only got me the first time i saw them

>>724899269
>exploration
What is there to explore in a hallway simulator?

>>724898545
what do you mean traditionally savage was the farthest thing from a deathless speedrun achievement. coil was chock full of shit you could die on randomly and still clear with

>>724899348
Yeah it's real, the fucker is a weirdo.

>>724899392
maybe not necessarily exploration but time to look at stuff, even speak to an npc if ther eis one, or read the fucking dialog/quest. in Ulduar you could look at the visuals of the raids lsitne to the music etc, if you re blastign through that shit whiel swating and listening to the chat yo ucant do any of that, you cvant think about the lore immerse yourself whatever

Instanced dungeons/raids were a mistake and XI will always be the superior god-tier MMO. Only zoomers and trannys disagree.

>>724899162
If you don't like Genshins gameplay there are plenty of other gachas to try with their own unique gameplay.

Put of the problem is consistency. The game should have a hard rule for how markers appear. Not oh one you have to watch weapon and one look for the visual in the background. But oh this one you can follow the markers. Some systems can be unique. Some should not. I don't want to play any game where I have to guess how combat is going to work fight to fight.

>>724899407
well, not surprised
link tot the tweet would be nice tho

wish 4chan had stayed dead, then the schizo would be stuck in a room with himself.

>>724900131
He'd just be doing this somewhere else
schizos will schizo

>"Let's gooo feast rewards are coming back basedbasedbased"
Meanwhile in reality
>Reintroducing undyable season 1 replica set (without the crown)
>Costs 20 commendation crystals
>They'll add the next set (season 2) in 8.1

>>724899789
Cool so let's hope that 3% of the whole population can keep up the whole XIV then if they are focused only over those people.
The game will be just empty as never before and getting that back on track to be running up it's a quite a challange.

>>724898489
>>724897802
Ah I guess that's what it is. I am DPS. I should dabble into tank and healer maybe. I don't like the idea of doing it with bots, but I'll respect my own time if I have to.

>>724898021
It was all the early game stuff in general. Finish one hest, another 10-20min wait for the next. I'm level 30 now and it FEELS a little quicker, but it might because I was playing at peak hours.

>>724900131
>>724900216
What the fuck are you two talking about?

>>724900401
>Undyeable
What is this dogshit.

When people asked for more engaging dungeons, I don't think people just wanted harder bosses. This is a fault with the FFXIV devs, they only think about boss fights.

The trash pulls are still boring and that is the biggest problem, as it is the main way a dungeon can differentiate itself from a raid encounter. Even though the bosses are harder, you still don't need to know how to tank or heal. It's harder to do ARR dungeons as a support than in Dawntrail.

At the same time, Trusts are still stupidly punishing for some reason. You die once and it's a wipe, even though your "Healer" might still be alive. They let you use phoenix down in group content, which was a good change, but trusts are still hard for no reason. Why can't they be the story difficulty on the dungeons? That are nearly impossible to fail while roulette can be left harder.

Even though Dawntrail dungeons are more difficult than Endwalker, I still think they failed in how that difficulty was distributed.

Not to mention one reason why people might not want to do dungeons anymore is because the rewards are crap. Gear with terrible ILVLs (except for the times they happen to be old content bis like Ultimates). And to make matters worse, they are undyeable. I tried using gear from one of the recent dungeons lately in a glam set but gave up because I couldn't get colors to match.

>>724900525
The big paragraph posts not replying to anyone is a spammer copying posts from elsewhere like the official forums

>>724900526
>Update
It's called Final Fantasy XIV, why are you still playing this slop? Are you retarded?

>>724900454
no one queues for guildhests is why. they're simply not worth your time except at one very specific point in progression and even then you only do one a day

Most MMORPGs have visual/audio cues for mechanics and not just a orange danger puddle on the ground for 30 seconds. And with most jobs now being braindead to play, you should be able to focus on something else than your rotation anyway.

>>724900781
>literally vizex

>>724878945 (OP)
Show them this

>>724900526
feast items were specifically undyeable so they can offer recolors as "new" rewards

>724900781
dumbass doesn't know how greentexts work
many such cases

>>724900715
Huh, I thought they were kinda neat, like a snippet of a dungeon you only commit a fraction of your time to. They do seem kinda tutorialish in nature though and not at all connected to any storyline.

>>724896121
Call me again when I can set up my own sex scenes in a gacha with characters customized to my liking with my own textures and normal maps.

>>724901014
they're the proto tutorial for gameplay mechanics. the majority of the lessons they teach are either obsolete, taught by the actual hall of the novice or are so unimportant they are unique to the guildhest

the time i mentioned for when its worth doing them is when you need company seals to rank up your grand company, you're out of GC log targets and the adventurer in need for guildhests is different than leveling roulette (which is the most GC seals per hour before turning in items for them)

Ten Yen Yoshida hitting the emergency button on FF14.

>>724901180
You got mindbroken lol

i think a lot of people here are going to be severely disappointed in the job changes come 8.0
you will have your gauge builder and spender and you will LIKE it

>>724901180
Wait until they will start digging up all those animations that only the NPC's are allowed to use like the spear twirl for practicing spearmen, bowstring checking for bow users and various idle poses that players can't use like the ass wagging.

>>724901335
>i
Poo poo 3rd world detected

The raidwide damage was pretty intense in Criterion Savage when the content was fresh. Especially surviving Gladiator's raidwide spam was very tight.

Many mob mechanics lost their orange telegraphs that were there in regular criterion. The patrolling ghost dude in the first room of Rokkon is the first one to come to mind. Mob telegraphs are also the majority of the moves that went from survivable to oneshots. The tornados in Aloalo also did 60k unmitigated damage on normal which was survivable, but went up to 180k in savage.

The trash damage was also the most intense tanking got in Endwalker. I spent more time thinking about my mit for the first room in AMRS than I did for all of P6 in DSR.

>>724901014
They're a left-behind relic from nearly a decade ago. There's quite a lot of abandoned content in the game, unfortunately. I remember doing them for fun myself back in the day, but nowadays people just burn them down in seconds without having to do the mechanics.

Some people applaud the new design, others detest it. Thus the world keeps turning.

>>724901706
Understandable, that's a fair opinion. However, the game has always been like this, and it used to be much worse, so I'm wondering why it you didn't feel it was a problem before?
Bosses often had obscure mechanics unique to them that you may not see again for the rest of the expansion, take Diabolos's portal doors from Amdapor, or the boss before having the tank kill an add to be able to draw aggro in the first place. These mechanics could get quite punishing, too.

>>724891605
>no interesting hanging plot threads from the 7.0 MSQ to address.
Jumping randomly in this chain to talk about this cause I think about it a lot. How DT failed as a "new start" compared to ARR.
ARR set up so many little things for them to use. Major stuff like where expansions could go (Ishgard, Ala Mhigo, Doma, Dalmasca), and even small threads (for example, the Ishgardian noble you save from execution in the first Coerthas arc with Haurchefaunt would start the Restoration project in 5.0). Then characters like showing the mystery nigga Ascians, or having the Garland empire still a looming threat, and primals were still an issue, and the Eorzean Alliance wasn't stable yet.
But like you said, end of DT the only thing we have is Calyx and mystery nigga nu-Ascian, and the chalice in your pocket. So until they do something, all that's coming in MSQ is whatever random shit is made up for the new expansion. Literally all other conflicts or anything loose is resolved, especially after the current tribal quests.
Because they want to lean into shard hopping shit, they don't have to plan anything out expansions in advance, they just make it up on the fly, more egregious than they did in the beginning.
I'm just ranting about it, cause it genuinely bothers me thinking about it lol

>>724901803
Super chess in drs is incomprehensible and a downgrade from the normal version
https://vaanratsbane.itch.io/drs-super-chess

In general though outside of the trash, the dungeon plays identically. For gladiator at least my groups resolved it by just using personals and tank short cd on the weakest member, it wasn't really an issue. The healing was by far the most intense on trash in general, and in aloalo I felt like it was less intense but it could be just anecdotal. I did all 3 on the same tank and aloalo definitely felt less damaging on the trash than specifically rokkon's first trash and both packs of sildihn. And fwiw I did all 3 on patch.

>>724902126
>especially after the current tribal quests.
Oh and I mean this very loosely. Pelu was just setting up tourism, Mamool Ja was continuing the one thing G'raha set up for them (finding compatible vegetables), and Yok Hoy was inventing "btw those snow spirits you beat up in the 73 dungeon are actually frens".
Dunno, I'm ranting, but I guess that's the nature of they have to approach things now. They can't leave things to be "set up" for 3 expansions later, so they don't want to pile on too much and make sure things are resolved now.

People using plugins in world first clears and selling clears is hardly something new. My FC was selling Titan hard clears for gils back in 2.0 and you had several website selling it and Bahamut's coil for real money. Pretty much the same for cheating plugins, the big difference now is people becoming more careless and dumb with them, streaming or screenshoting their game with visible plugins on it. Anyone seriously believing that any world first competing team doesn't use plugins is just delusional.

>>724902126
People don't want to admit it, but the height of FFXIV storytelling and writing was actually ARR-Heavensward, not ShB. ARR-Heavensward set up all the world building and plot threads that were eaten up and used in SB and ShB, problem being they didn't replace them with anything leading to the clusterfuck that was Endwalker and now we see that the new writing staff don't have the chops to create quest threads, characters and build a world the way the ARR-Heavensward writers did, leaving the entire world and MSQ feeling dry, stale, and uninteresting. This game is fucked, since it's not like said writing staff is going to magically develop new talents in the next expansion. You're never getting a conflict as interesting as the Dragonsong War or a character as awesome as Ilberd ever again.

Fire kate fire hiroi

>>724902660
>canon forever seething like the mhiggee he is.

Kek.

Punishing vs challenging. This is the issue I'm having right now as a person who does the savage raids. I don't mind that part of the fights is like learning a choreographed dance, I can find fun in that aspect, but when that's ALL there is, it gets grating. Hell I don't even mind a couple of body checks during a hard fight, but M8S in particular is just Netcode Bodycheck Savage. It's not a fun fight when there's little to no chance of saving a run, just hours of "nope, wipe and start over." Like sure, I can use Cover as a Paladin on a healer while the LB3, but it doesn't even feel that cool because it doesn't matter, the fact that we had to do that at all means it's most likely a lost cause because the DPS were down for 5 GCDs so we might as well give up now and wipe because we won't hit the DPS check. Savage has always been difficult, that's the point, I know, but something feels different now. I actually really enjoyed M6S because I felt like I really got to shine as a tank and manage aggro and keep enemies apart and manage my shields well, but that fight stands out as unusual in that regard.

>>724900894
I find it hilarious that this slop of a game is so lame that the only thing it can do to attract new players is a 40-year-old obese man's cute sexy fantasy characters.

>>724893848
no thoughts head empty

Graeham is gay and I would not have sex with him

>>724902660
If I could change things with the game's lore in how it was developed, I'd start with HW, changing the whole "thirteen reflections" to just be one other world (where Ardbert and the others are from). The Void would've just stayed the Void, it's own entity of empty/negative space.
My idea would be our world (Hydaelyn) is being drained to fuel the other world (Zodiark), which is what each Calamity is doing. So you could still have the Shadowbringers moment of going to that world.
But I feel like right now of them doing the 13 reflections, they kinda stretched things out way too thin when it came to world-building. Recent ones were just made so simplistic without any further thought put behind it.
>The First: lol dood it's Eorzea... but different!
>The Thirteenth: lol dood FF3 Cloud of Darkness.. no wait, FF4 now... lol Four Fiends
>The Ninth: lol dood FF9... but now super sci-fi!

>>724903461
Newfag cuck going to kill himself like dumpy did

>>724878945 (OP)
This, nowadays I don't reccomend the game to ANYONE unless they're legit FF fans who would love the story and 'memberberries, it could take them months of not YEARS to catch up.

>>724902672
if they didnt after kate said all those things on social media, they likely never will
if they didnt immediately replace/reposition hiroi after 7.0, the likely never will

>>724885534
>Make overwold enemies more punishing
>Dying to them or FATEs and not reviving makes you lose EXP
>Make story a bit less text-heavy
>Make sidequest more fun
>Party can enter story-instance battles with you
>Party visible in cutscenes

For starters...

I mostly just do normal content, and a few extremes, and I don't think normal content has gotten too hard. What's happened mostly is that a lot of the fights now assume that you know (as you should after 100 levels) to pay attention to the boss's cast bar and actually look at the boss to see for example if he's going to hit left or right. A lot of players have gotten through a lot of fights without learning to watch those things, but it's truly not too difficult for anyone.

What I've come to dislike about FF difficulty in recent alliance raids, is how many fights have a tricky part near the end. Often balanced in a such a way that you can completely skip it with enough dps. That means with a better team, that could handle the trickier parts perfectly well, never gets to see it. And a team that is already struggling, then gets hit with some even more tricky mechanics.

Giving better players the easy mode fight is not how content should be designed.

>>724904672
Lizardfags could never compete with the GOAT.

Very cool Grok

>>724878945 (OP)
Step 2 : Reach level 100

The vast majority of players who are eligible to do lets say Delubrum Reginae, will not go through multiple loading screens to talk to a random npc to que up for a dungeon and be jailed inside the camp.
But they would absolutely que up for it from Limsa and do whatever the hell they want while waiting. Its a huge QoL upgrade without any downsides, that is without a doubt would be the difference between a content being dead or not.
I would rather have a little immersion breaking, than having a delubrum where its becoming lore accurate in terms of "nobody has been here for years".

Overall, hardcore raiders have been eating a tad bit better in Dawntrail but again they only have two more raid than usual to do. For a damn long time the devs were unable/unwilling to pump interesting content in good number, it has very little to do with the big evil hardcore raiders.

>>724904924
bozja is trash.

>>724905182
raid trannies dropped out. they fled from criterion and chaotic like little bitches.

>>724904832
it really does feel like half the posts in this thread are botted

>>724905204
The amount of effort between eureka/bozja and PoTD floor 50 is... not comparable.

rubber bullets

316

>>724904013
>Make story a bit less text-heavy
>Make sidequest more fun
how would you do this?

I've also noticed that the difficulty was ramped up in this expansion, instanced content is more stressful for me. SE also took away the option to turn off bloom (it was a part of glare) in 7.0 and all the shiny boss effects and lights give me a headache.

this guy keeps spamming

anyone doing anything fun tonight?

You know full well how SE operates. They aren't going to change anything.

>>724878945 (OP)
I enjoyed the story, if you go in thinking of the game like a JRPG with other people running around and casual interactions its more fun. It's not a friendslop game where you buy it and have fun with friends right away.

I guess it just depends on your mentality and expectations, I went into wow and it was a garbage ass story that made 0 sense because they want to turbo boost you without giving a fuck about world building so you can spam the same fucking hallway over and over again while talking politics with your friends.

>>724906332
In my opinion over this topic, we've been seeing a consistent crack in the community between the old design and the new and it's not going to get better over time. That's on them for changing the game's genre halfway through.

>>724895412
Funny you should mention FGO's South American Lostbelt, I looked over at my partner fighting Queen Eternal for the first time and straight up thought she was up against ORT.

If only pvp was that good lmao. You will get beaten very soon by people who abuse 3rd party tools or imbalanced teams. So don't bother.

>>724907546
drg, reapers, drks cheat the most.

Did they finally start hash banning the images

>>724890283
>They really didn't try with Tural at all, did they?
Actually they tried, they tried so hard they completely ruined it because they put amerimutts in charge of it

>>724907684
he was literally here yesterday not at all
do you honestly think jannies exist here

>>724891605
>You can hardly blame the 7.X writers
>Proceeds to list everything writers solely are responsible for

>>724905832
NPC:
>"Hey, my son's missing, he went X way, care to go look?"
>Go look
>It's a small fun platforming section
>Find kid, have to go back actually carrying the kid
>"Hey, thanks, here you go, reward".

>>724907764
NTA, but it felt like a different person doing it. Images were completely different and he would take breaks often. Didn't have the seethe like the OG at all.

>>724907764
Idk the OF post spam is making it seem that way

Pretty much the only savage mechanic in that fight is the body check during towers and it's only an issue because its a 24 man and only 3 people can miss a tower. The rest is EX at best.

>>724907684
Aside from our religious spammer getting banned once for a straight year as a cumulative effect (his actual ban reason at the time was for porn dumps, he has a thing for Ryne) the closest he's ever come to any kind of permanent action is when he had to be careful because the CP spamming services owned by Leto went down, at the same time as a high number of other threads lost their own "dedicated schizos" because bans would actually stick on them now

>>724902660
Well SB was setting up for the Garlean conclusion but...lol, fujokawa wanted to play barbie with her OCs and immediately destabilize the worldbuilding set up since 1.0.

Have they fired Kate yet?

Skill expression does exist in this game in many forms, although it is definitely not that exciting now with current encounter and job design.

>>724907881
May have been some sharty goblin believing he's carrying the torch in the real one's absence, like they do for Lee and other rage spammers

>>724908061
I can tell who doesn't play healer from the amount of people here throwing their hands up in the air and saying even if you res someone, you wipe. In Ultimates, maybe, but most savages have enough wiggle room to make it so healers can EASILY res the dps into the DPS' correct position, then run/dash over to their own position. Which is the skill aspect. But yeah, if you're a non-support DPS you're mostly snoozing lol.

>>724899041
Women look like this???

>>724908249
What did you do in Final Fantasy today?

A very obvious lesson to the thread that you should never click on any thread whose OP image is the first result in Google Images for the game's title.

>>724895257
And then you'd complain leveling up is just having numbers go up without getting any real new skills, the same way people already tried to complain about DT or EW

>>724908560
What did you do in Final Fantasy today?

>>724908560
It seems you've confused yourself and come up with the same timing. I'll leave you to argue with yourself. Like, what does this mean, even?

>>724908610
Abel likes to tell people not to post in threads he doesn't approve of by posting in threads he doesn't approve of.

>>724895412
This sounds kino but every plot summary is like trying to decipher hieroglyphs because I haven't consumed any Nasuverse content since 2007.

>>724908737
Your thread is extremely high quality, I can tell.

>>724908920
If you've decided the thread isn't real and you can't talk about video games then why are you here? Aren't you off-topic posting according to you? What did you do in Final Fantasy today?

The game does have high skill expression. Doing mechanics while also putting out good numbers takes time, effort, and practice. Gaining that consistency while also outputting numbers or heals is complex. Doing that all quickly and in a higher stress environment takes skill. That's just undeniable fact. And, if you're going blind? Compound solving mechanics yourself instead of waiting for Hector to make a video. Anyone, including you, who says there isn't skill expression is simply wrong. There is a continent of difference between someone who struggles to clear on week 30 and someone who clears week 1. It's insane to claim otherwise. I could go into paragraph upon paragraph about the differences.

>>724909035
What GPT model do you use?

>>724878945 (OP)
I tried to get a buddy of mine to jump in and after about two weeks he stopped playing because “gear feels fake”. After asking him what does that even mean he told me “gear does nothing in this game it’s just a checklist to engage with stuff, why did they even bother attaching numbers to it? It feels fake as fuck and not like a rpg”

>>724907860
the jumping in this game is dogshit, if they're gonna add stuff like that then in at least need to control decently well

>>724878945 (OP)
>more less

>>724909069
Are you capable of talking about video games? How about Final Fantasy XIV?

>>724909197
That shouldn't have taken three minutes to come up with. What GPT model do you use?

>>724909237
I'm playing Final Fantasy right now. You? Anything to say about Final Fantasy?

>>724906203
I'm about to unlock the level 89 dungeon in endwalker!

This thread, thus... is doing gangbusters.

>>724909351
Are you having fun? Don't forget your tank stance.

>>724909413
He's playing Final Fantasy, you know. He's playing it so much. No screenshots though, we don't like screenshots.

>>724909496
Is there a reason you can't seem to talk about video games?

>>724909612
>gathering bot
lmaooooooo

>trying to be a thread janny in a dead thread about trannyslop and already full of copy-pasted posts from other forums
face-melting cringe

>>724909647
Did you gather anything in Final Fantasy?

>>724909737
today i gathered (You)s from the RMT botter

>>724909713
>>724909790
Any video games?

>>724909713
It's absolutely pivotal we know what you did in Final Fantasy today and did you play video games

Also there are no bots or LLMs in this thread, trust me bro

>>724909894
Why are you on /v/ - Video Games if you're not going to talk about video games? Are you here to off-topic post? Did you play Final Fantasy today? Maybe do some Pilgrim's Traverse?

>>724878945 (OP)
Endwalker was the perfect ending and opportunity for a soft-reset where new players can start a fresh story alongside old players
instead they went full retard

It's true that I didn't finish the tier, having spent weeks getting nowhere with M8S and not having fun, I made the logical and reasonable decision to stop banging my head against that particular wall. As much as you may not like my analysis, based on my experience, doesn't make it invalid. I did see a "different version of FF's combat" and, in my opinion, it was worse than what I'd seen in extreme for all the reasons I gave in my post that got quoted. If you like "the dance" and wiping because one person made one mistake, good for you, I don't. I don't consider it "skill" and I don't consider it good game design. For the record, I quite enjoyed Chaotic - as evidenced by the fact that I have both the mounts and still have a pile of gear boxes from it, chaotic was fun, with the exception of M6S which was great fun savage was not fun.

>>724910320
I didn't read this post but it reminded me that a lot of raiders aren't aware XIV is a game where you don't need to have a career playing ball to know ball.

bros...

>>724910471
Hey a screenshot that's not gatherbotting

>>724902660
I cant forgive him for corrupting poor Yuyuhase

>>724910512
aether PT is a lot different than crystal PT

lot of baddies here

>>724910621
Baddies as in lingo for fine women are baddies as in lingo for shitty players

>>724910657
the latter. yall absolutely refuse to use consumables. no phoenix downs or potions

>>724910621
Go back

I've been getting recommended so many twitter posts from JP players excited about the glamour change. Posting about combinations they're excited for, tons of tier lists/compilations of particularly good looking gear to use, etc. Dare I say this update is one of the smartest things they've done in awhile

>>724910712
That doesn't surprise me since all the raid shitters that aren't good enough for it go to Aether to shoot their shot. Crystal has been pretty mellow and content in its own midcore pig-sty whenever I've visited

For me it's more about not wanting to obtain said "skill" for hardcore content because it seems like such a pain in the ass to achieve for so little pay off.

yshtola, thancred, urianger, estinien are due for outfit changes.

People love to complain about player numbers when it suits them to bolster their own argument but really what difference does it make if there are 1 million or 2 million or 500,000 people playing the game? Does that make the game more fun for your personally to know that there are 1.9mil other people player over only 499,999 thousand?

The number matters for the people at square tasked with making money, but doesn't really matter to players unless it drops to the threshold where the game isn't profitable at all.

DT had a gigantic starting population which shows that people were actually interested in the new story forward. Even IF that stance was true, it would simply show that people were only staying around to see the end of the story arc and the game is simply not good enough to hold their interest. No matter how often some people want to repeat that argument, the point is that this game failed to hold players, be it veterans, WoW refugees or new players.

The whole "we are going back to normal numbers" is also nonsense.
Imagine Yoshida in a meeting with the higher ups saying "it's fine, we only go back to normal numbers".
There is a reason why he stopped saying "play other games" or why we finally see at least promises of changes.

It's honestly crazy to me that some people repeatedly forget (or don't want to see) that this whole game is a business first and foremost and losing players to this extend is definitely not normal and not wanted. The extreme defenders are as idiotic as the extreme doomers at this point. No, the game won't die but it is not in a healthy place either right now.

>>724911762
>YOU DONT PLAY THE GAM- ACK!!!!!!

>>724910719
yes. came here to buy something and thought i'd try the PT scene here.

yall fucking suck. what do you mean you don't take a dive when you hit a luring

Is some faggot just reposting reddit comments to bump the thread or something

Anyways I hate tab targetting gcd MMOs, xiv should have just copied dofus/ wakfu but make it have better graphics or something.

Not even being doomer, but all you have to do is log in and see how few people there are hanging around, even on Aether. I've been around since patch HW and have never seen the pop so low during a lull in content, even in Endwalker patches I saw more people hanging around. The hunt train argument doesn't hold a lot of weight because that's a certain part of the community that loves doing that every day and making trains for it; there will always be people around doing that.

>>724912019
Hey I just saw this comment on reddit
You can't fool me

>>724911985
I only run solo or with friends so I wouldn't know.

>>724912119
do you know what a luring trap is anon?

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It didn’t help that the story devs for DT were essentially a new team and we got a preview of their work in 6.1 to 6.5. I was worried but I stuck it out, my fears were proved correct when DT hit and it looks like SE may have pulled some of their vets back to the game late in the 7.x patches to try and right the ship.

Sadly, the damage is done and we lost a lot of players permanently or at the very least, until they see reviews of the game, not from 8.0 but more like 8.3. Many I know want to see a long term trend before they spend money again. I’m expecting preorders for 8.0 to be much lower than past expansions, probably close to ShB.

>>724889219
It's a tremendous amount of work to make these Larian style quests. Just making sure players are not locked out of completing the quests is already not trivial.

>>724912019
This.
Sargatanas is fucking dead, Uldah is a ghost town, limsa is nothing to what it was in 2021-2022.

>>724912005
yeah one of OP's favorite spam tactics is to copy-paste shit from the official game forum and from the r/ffxivdiscussion subreddit to pretend his thread is alive. note also seething his head off and blaming his tulpa "abel" for posts saying his thread sucks

there'd be more market for non-tab target MMOs if tab target MMOs didn't exist

FFXIV has finished its main storyline. Games naturally will see a portion of their population leave after that point. It just happened with Destiny 2. It happened with WoW years ago when the Lich King expansion ended. They had an active playerbase at the time of ~12 million. It cratered right after when Cata released, and it recently took two solid expansions in a row just to get back up to ~2 million (meaning over 80% of its one-time playerbase has left). It'll naturally happen to some degree with FFXIV, too. Game studios end up in a lose-lose situation...they'll get trashed if they put a game into maintenance mode at the height of its popularity, and if they keep going instead, it'll never be "as good" as the culmination of the main story. DT is basically the new ARR. It's entirely possible that FFXIV will have another major hit of an expansion a little ways down the road - the question will be if the naysayers bring themselves to acknowledge that it took installments like DT laying the foundation for that future one to really fly.

Why does Abel do it? Is he mad he's not in Street Fighter anymore?

>>724909612
Hello AnotherHighlander, your posts here are as tepid as they are on the OF and you stole your account

>>724912638
I thought I was OP? Did you do anything in Final Fantasy in the past hour?

>>724912989
Anything to say about Final Fantasy? Did you play it today? Have you ever played it?

If you're talking about LuckyBancho's, to me it's also jarring that the blue graph representing the new players trying the game during Dawntrail diminishes rapidly. And yet, the amount of people who go "Psssh! Fake covid & WoW exodus padding...! We don't need 'em!!" as if losing interest from hundred thousand players that was thrown at you for free is any signs pointing toward your game is (un)healthy has been laughably depressing.

>>724878945 (OP)
Show them the latest pint video.

>>724894821
who cares? you're going to buy the next expansionslop anyways my little piggie

>>724890283
there has never been a video game that had a good "new world" era. the idea is gay and retarded. send in the ascians already

>>724903742
>(You)
Did reality sting? Do not shed tear.

yeah this does look like "what did you do in final fantasy today"'s typing style and trolling approach

>>724914134
Do you consider talking about the game to be trolling? So why are you here? Nothing at all to say about Final Fantasy?

what did she mean by this

game may be shit but it has some crazy bangers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v59-MU4VYb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GElSthStAm4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F5oIwW-zdE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0P-N0ub7dc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhoag52TV_w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKQQ9Si-bOs

>>724914447
don't be greedy, little boy

>>724914447
Is that what happens when you try to use multiple? I was wondering if everyone in the group could pop their own Barkbalm.

>>724914456
wrong thread lmao

>>724914456
wrong game sis, but maplestory does have some very very good music, surprisingly so even after losing the classic wizet-era musician

>>724914456
that kaling theme being 1 minute is a crime

>>724914515
yes. i'm surprised there's a SOVLFVL error message still

>>724878945 (OP)
And grammar standards are falling every day

>>724914551
yeah it's really sad, all my favorite games like xiv and mapoopoopeepee died a gruesome death

>>724915029
nexon C&Ding that browser-based legacy maplestory remake was a brilliant spot of assholery even in light of them doing it for the same reason blizzard threw a fit about nostalrius, making their own classic server/overshadowing the real game

>>724915194
yeou or whatever? yeah that was depressing but to be fair he gutted guilds for "community huddles" similar to that new player linkshell everyone gets thrown into

>>724915309
yeah the death of it wasn't totally sad since it still wasn't really CLASSIC classic maple, nixing community features like that was dumb

Dead Game

>>724914134
>~totally another~ trancing AIDS patient with the same mannerisms
>story skipped
I'm tired of noticing.

So, will they now reinvest money into XIV, or will they finance more flops? The new Dissidia gacha suggests the latter.

>>724915568
Thoughts on Final Fantasy XIV's latest content, Pilgrim's Traverse?

>>724915568
Surprised personally he's not banned since the OF has been cracking down a fair deal harder on trolls and account thieves, but I doubt that'd stop him from coming here to wave his ass around.

>>724915621
>finance more flops? The new Dissidia gacha
Dissidia gacha is a licensed game by some other dev, Square isn't spending a dime on it.

Are any of you guys playing Final Fantasy?

>>724916452
no

COMING IN HOT

>>724916760
ah, you reminded me. would any of the sandoria outfits look good on classes that can't normally use them?

>>724917065
Zeid's helm could be good for an armored BLM I guess. Prishe's priest miter on WHM, or her rings on anything. Lilisette's spats are really versatile.

beast is going to be some dogshit i bet.

>matsunoslop
>2 expansions since then
>hiroi

>>724918515
its going to be arcadion style morpher, not ffxi pet class or ff5 catch and release

>>724918515
Beastmaster is an Ala Mhigan discipline so we're getting mhiggerkino.

>>724918585
I would assume it'd be FF5 or FFXI style given BLU is FF5 style

Me lalaboy...you...a femala....we should.....order a bakers dozen of donuts!

>>724916760
This made no sense to me
Those propellers are massive
You're more likely to fly into one of those than you are to land on the deck because they're also sucking in a massive amount of air above them

>>724918515
It'll be three savage fights but your rotation is just the whip button.

>>724920671
Don't worry about it.

How long can SE still afford him?
At least he seems to really enjoy voicing G'raha.

>>724921038
He'll get recast.

>>724905707
That was the jumping the shark moment. Hell so was you finally being free of wuk lamat and OH NO THE WOMAN ROBBED IN FRONT OF YOU WAS WUK'S GRANDMA AND SHE GOT HER BRACELET ROBBED THAT WUK GAVE HER.

>>724913591
I can concede emperor's new groove and apocalypto but I am not sure of any other good Mesoamerican shit. In general I hate it because the chance of getting someone who likes it and isn't some progressive faggot who wants to blow smoke up its ass is zero point zero zero one.

>>724921335
>hey maybe they'll do something with koana and zoraal ja later
>its dogshit

fire hiroi.

>>724911763
The really aggressive push to China, South Korea, even the Saudis and phone players is evidence of the realization that their new players to the desktop have (JPN/US/EU that is) vanished. A reason I am less doomer, and I shit on DT mercilessly, is the glamourer change is the first major change showing they are not just accepting this as status quo or "trust us bro it'll get better".

>>724921391
>Hey maybe they shoulda brought Koana to Sol 9 given that his schtick
>He pulls white people finding out they're 1/16th Indian "I MUST SAVE THE BUFFALOS"
The only reason I can't say dawntrail is the worst MMO story of the past 15 years is that I know shadowlands exist.

I'm amazed the devs have still been using Wuk up until this point. You'd think the initial blow back on this character would make them force re-write everything before we ever got to post patch content. Not surprised its sucked nigger dicks since we got fucking Zero of all people before Wuk.

>>724921038
The less Poochie Tia speaks the better.

>>724910471
>He still subs to Kate's Fantasy XIV
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA YOU FUCKING KEK

>>724921139
>>724921038
I think we probably won't see any voiced lines from him next expansion and then he'll come back recast in the patches or next expansion after that
Either that or he'll just become a background character that we don't see as much like Matoya or something

>>724878945 (OP)
>How do I convince anyone of my friends to slog through ARR by themselves just to then play HW by themselves ect ect
Don't be a shitty piece of shit and play it with them. Pick up a new class or make an alt to play alongside them.

>How do I get friends to come to me on their own without me putting in any work or effort?
Lol

>>724921253
What did you do in Final Fantasy today?

>>724921038
he said he personally enjoys the character so he'll make whatever needs to happen work

>>724921560
>the initial blow back on this character would make them force re-write everything
not even WoW would do this and that game is one of the most horribly written MMOs on the market

>>724921637
guys...what did they do to ishgard...

>>724921550
>that pic
Remember when the PLD questline hyped up that legendary sword back in ARR, just to end up giving it to some faggy twink elf at the end of HW's PLD questline instead of you (despite you doing all the work)? The same quest where the entire plot was just a troll by the Roegadyn dude and nothing that happened actually fucking mattered.

It was at that point I realized whoever wrote the PLD quests absolutely despised the player.

>>724921909
Whoever wrote PLD quests enormously overestimated how much anybody would give a shit about the Sultansworn and failed to write them as a particularly interesting knightly order, the Sultansworn being in anything but their twilight years or even outright near-death as is the case in the game is also incompatible with Ul'dah's Monetarists having a governmental stranglehold at the time that Paladin is introduced

Given Ishgard is a stand-in for San d'Oria, if Coerthas and Ishgard were properly introduced in 1.0 then the Paladins would almost certainly have been assigned to Ishgard and not to Ul'dah

>>724921783
they turned it gay

>>724921675
Matoya ded, but really I don't think you have to spend a lot of time doing voice lines. It's probably a day, maybe two. Since the VAs are supposed to be voice acting in a booth not face to face with other characters.

>>724921560
They couldn't change gears suddenly. Frankly it's panning out as I expect if she's utterly gone in 7.4 where Yoshi ended up with a pile of steaming dogshit and he was too far from 8.0 to go "Yeah I know this expansion sucked but NEXT ONE IS GREAT PLEASE LOOK FORWARD TO IT", he still needed to sell DT and shuck and jive for it. It'll be in Fanfest when we get the closest to any dogezas one could reasonably hope for. Which will probably just be a polite way of saying
"We took your feedback into consideration" "We learned from Dawntrail that you all want XYZ". Positivity rather than negativity. I would love for a bait and switch of showing Wuk lamat then a giant circle with a red crossout, but that'll never happen.

I am tired of the FF7 break glass idea though. Esoteric vague references to it will not be a crowd-seller. It's going to be Hingashi (Everybody loves weeb shit), Ishikawa (banking on nostalgia for SHB and END), maybe resurrect Emet/Zenos but that'll be a desperate (desperate, your turn) move.

Some anon bullshit an idea of a leaked race of void imps somewhere between a lalafell and au ra in height ("2nd shortest race"). ZERO proof, but I honestly buy that idea. New race will stoke interest, cutesy uwu one will stoke Japanese fans, it requires not an inordinate amount of work if it's piggybacking off an existing skeleton model (or even better face rigging too)

>>724922051
>Whoever wrote PLD quests enormously overestimated how much anybody would give a shit about the Sultansworn and failed to write them as a particularly interesting knightly order, the Sultansworn being in anything but their twilight years or even outright near-death as is the case in the game is also incompatible with Ul'dah's Monetarists having a governmental stranglehold at the time that Paladin is introduced
I mean their entire organization's "lore" is being potato bodyguards. They have the lamest lore of any class in the game.

>>724922431
They were originally a warrior priest order devoted to Azeyma during the time of Belah'dia. The Sultansworn you see today are completely fallen because of centuries of misuse and intentional sabotage.

>>724922431
Was the point that they're just a bad organizational concept, yes

All the main regions in Eorzea are pretty flimsy or outright boring in their own ways when you actually stop and investigate them in part because FFXI's devs writing the setting concept were lazily porting over everything they could and rewriting names to make it look like they weren't copying homework, and because they weren't even slightly close to getting their bearings in writing those areas in the first place

>>724889595
>>you have only 3-4 buttons in a lot of early dungeons
Ironically, ARR content has a manageable number of buttons for each class for your average player, with lvl 50 starting to push it. Past 50, button and mechanics bloat become too much for your average midwit unless they are playing Summoner. It's why you see tons of people playing retardedly sub optimal. And god help you if your normie friend wants to play Black Mage.

>>724922539
You claim they were just copying homework in one post, and then say they fucked up because they didn't copy their homework for paladin even though they were perfectly capable because Dragoon is Ishgardian. Stop running your mouth, little buddy. You just like to talk but you have nothing worthwhile to say.

>>724922539
>FFXI devs
had nothing to do with XIV

>>724922678
FFXI's devs were all yoinked over to 1.0 development, weren't they? As part of Squeenix abandoning XI outright.

>>724922678
You shut up too, retard. You don't know what you're talking about either. Two retards pretending to be experts on shit they know nothing about.

>>724922678
>he isn't aware

I think they're doing that thing so where the next expansion gets released they fix all the problems so everyone is tricked into believing the devs give a good god damn about anything

>>724922654
>You just like to talk but you have nothing worthwhile to say.

>>724922820
Tell me about those Yok Huy quests you did in 7.2 again.

>>724922794
>when they give me what they want, they're TRICKING me
Sometimes you really gotta take a step back and think about what it is you're even posting onto the internet. Women be shopping.

3 and a half hours until beddie bye time, Abel. You gotta believe that tonight's the night.

>>724922879
It's a trick because it'll last for one patch and then go back to the same boring bullshit everyone hates

>>724922539
FFXI puts in a monumental amount of effort to flesh out it's world and story, even a simple look at the world design itself tells you just how much the developers cared about the game through all the excruciatingly tiny details they added. Blaming the devs from XI for somehow sabotaging the sidequests in XIV is one of the strangest statements I've ever seen.

>>724922678
Take notes, OF reposter, THIS is how you bait without coming across as seething your head off.

>becoming more less
>anyone of my friends
>ect ect
stop responding to faggot ESLs

>>724922981
I don't really care what FFXI does or how much love was put into it when we're talking about FFXI devs' work on FFXIV being half assed

>>724922732
>>724922735
>>724922741
It would be preferable if you didn't discuss games that were made before you were born. The team that made 1.0 was not the XI dev team, neither was the team that rebuilt it as ARR. They did cheesily re-use many assets from XI when rebuilding the game but that does not equate to the people working on it having been the XI team.

The level of quality and sanity of the mechanics between the two games are as different as you doodling in MSPAINT and the mona lisa.

>>724922981
The guy you're talking to despises FFXI because it has actual real deities and that triggers him something fierce.

>>724922981
Louverance was so fucking Based.
However we are all the children of Promathia, in a sense, so he was sort of wrong.
You're absolutely right though about XI, that other anon is a tard.

>>724896170
Imagine playing this slop after Endwalker

>>724923114
anon, your bait was great. now you're just being a retard

>>724923045
Except they didn't work on XIV, so the statement remains odd at best. You do know you can simply google who worked on the games and see for yourself, no?

>>724887450
>the old thread got deleted because someone was pretending to be the lalas again.
Is this against board rules or something? I don't see "impersonating an avatarfag" as being a rule violation on /v/, could you explain?

>>724923114
I've played both XI and XIV since launch day. XIV began development as Project Rapture in 2006 under Tanaka, with FFXI devs as the original team, including the worldbuilding team. There are still FFXI devs on the team right now. Shut the fuck up, moron.

>>724923217
you see when folderkun gets angy he tries to get more (you)s by impersonating two lala posters. lala posters he's claimed are the same person before, and he's also accused them of being a janny

>>724923134
>>724923160
It's beginning to ring a bell now, there was an anon here in the past that would go up in flames any time someone mentioned XI, I suppose this is still him shitting up threads?

>>724923160
Louverance was right, he just had it mixed up. The beastmen aren't children of Promathia which is why their cultures are stagnant. It's also why one usually needs a superpower like Verena to truly connect with a beastman and become friends.

is dumpy pissed about this abel character because he's a highlander that isn't obsessed with the game dying, like a mario and wario situation

>>724923416
Who mentioned Abel, little buddy?

>>724923350
The beastmen absolutely are children of Promathia. It's just that the higher races descended from the Zilart are the children of both Altana and a bit of Promathia whereas the beastmen were fully creations of Promathia.

>>724923416
why do you faggots throw around names like anyone is supposed to know what it means

>>724921038
>aidsfaggot
he'll die soon enough and they'll retire the character

>>724923304
>he's also accused them of being a janny
I've seen him asked to pick which mods or jannies his enemies are out of a line-up before and he refused to do it. Guy knows he's full of shit. It's a little funny.

>>724923485
They're not, it's a core plot point in CoP. Only the Five Races bear Promathia's darkness. It's the darkness that shapes people into those races specifically. His darkness and the fear of death inside those races is also the driving factor for why they develop culturally, in contrast to the beastmen. At the very end Jabbos tries to tell the moblins that they aren't the children of Promathia but they get confused and think he's telling them they're all children of Promathia, and he just lets them believe that because he thinks it will lead to peace.

>>724898867
Diablos got me the first time. If you aren't primed to look at the symbols on top of the doors and remember them, you are gling to get fucked up.

>>724911985
>yall
go back

>>724923662
You're almost there. So who created the beastmen then? Promathia did.

>>724911985
>yall
stay

>>724923782
He didn't create anything but Paradise, you've completely misunderstood the story. Promathia made Vana'diel, died, and then his spirit was placed inside the sundered Mothercrystal to restore him to life in the form of the Five Races. The beastmen rose from animals in the aftermath of the Meltdown.

The glamour unlock will ultimately pass like a fart in the wind just like hrothgar/viera hats. Playing dressup is nice and all but it doesn't do shit for retention when the game is so fundamentally boring. As long as they refuse to budge on class design the decline will continue.

>>724923929
They've been hyping up the class reworks for 8.0 on and off since they were first announced in Dawntrail's build-up m8

>>724923898
Nah the meltdown only occurred in the north where the rogue Zilart faction sabotage things and aligned everything toward darkness, including themselves.

>>724923980
and YoshiPR has already walked it back in a more recent interview saying "nothing will fundamentally change"

>>724922431
It's crazy how much PLD lore in WoW mogs PLD lore in FFXIV. The Paladin lore wiki page on WoWpedia is like miles longer than the FFXIV pld wiki lore page.

>WoW Paladins: Former order of priests who turned militant and self-taught how to wear plate armor and wield melee weapons while simultaneously wielding their holy incantations as priests during the 1st war in response to the orc invasion, becoming the first Paladins.
>Had a dude named Lothar who became a legendary hero during the war against the orcs until he fell in battle, but his death only inspired his men to fight even harder to avenge him, leading to them winning the war
>Established a holy order of Paladins dedicated to protecting human kingdom of Lordaeron
>One of their most notable membrs was their prince Arthas, who would eventually go down a dark path after the undead outbreak and end up being corrupted by Frostmourne, becoming the first Death Knight and unleashing the scourge upon his own kingdom, as well as murdering his former Paladin mentor and best friend Uther and his own father before leaving his nation in ruin
>Around this same time, another legendary Paladin, Alexander Mograine, was corrupted by the Lichlord Kelthuzad, a former human mage who sided with the scourge for Power, and manipulated his one of his own sons (also a paladin) into killing him with his holy sword the Ashbringer, corrupting the sword. His other son, Darion, would end up sacrifice himself during a battle against the Scourges forces to stop the Scourge, only to be later reanimated as a Death Knight like his father
>Remaining members of the Paladin order all went insane after these events and became the Scarlet Crusade, a group of extremist paladins who literally believe everyone besides them are tainted by the Scourge and need to be exterminated

Meanwhile FFXIV Paladin lore:

>They were bodyguards of a race of cabbage patch kids a long time ago lol lmao

WOW

>>724924064
He didn't walk anything back, he said they were going to redesign classes, not the entire combat system. He also mentioned there's gonna be some new system on top of everything else.

>>724923898
Retard

>>724924020
No, Fei'yin is where the sabotage occurred but the Meltdown burst from all five Mothercrystals. You're literally shown Holla and Mea exploding in a cutscene. And they did not align anything to darkness. If you're thinking of the Ark Angels, those are five specific Zilart warriors who were transformed because they attuned to Promathia's darkness inside the crystals they were guarding. Because again it is Promathia's darkness that causes the forms of the Five Races in the first place.
Would you like the screenshot of Diabolos telling you that removing Promathia's darkness from your soul turns people into beastmen?

>>724923980
Oh yeah I'm really getting hyped up hearing a contradictory non-committal statement about it from some obscure foreign news outlets every 6 months.

>>724924109
>according to legend
Play the fucking video game before you talk about it because the entire point of CoP is that everyone has everything completely wrong. The "Promathia" the beastmen are worshiping isn't even fucking Promathia, it's Odin.

>>724924273
what's been contradictory

dante must die mode: the starting point was "jobs are getting reworked"

>FFXIV officially has a worse story than a fucking harem gacha
It's genuinely over.

I'm sorry that XIV has a number of complete letdown storylines but it's most definitely not the fault of XI.

You can however play XI and see just how wonderful a game made by passionate people can be.

soooooo..........basically the story and worldbuilding has been shit from the very beginning?

the empire of garlemald was a congregation of simpletons.

>>724924406
It's funny how these guys are literally just the Ascians.

ffxi players are the easiest fanbase to trigger

>>724924468
We will never really know what their intentions were in 1.0 but the worldbuilding in ARR was at least passable. The issue is that as they moved on through the expansions they lost their way, and until ShB they didn't actually have an overarching plan they were following.

>>724924406
gonna be honest anon this is the first i've heard about wuthering waves in months

Been awhile since I checked these threads. I see the schizo traded his easily detectable image spam with an equally easy to spot copy and paste spam. The more things change the more they stay the same.

>>724924468
>soooooo..........basically the story and worldbuilding has been shit from the very beginning?
Japs can't into worldbuilding, name a single jap-written franchise that's even remotely comparable in worldbuilding to Warhammer, or even LOTR.

>>724924538
seems you are the one who got triggered and is now posting without linking replies

>>724924585
Powerful words from best girl

>>724924512
They're even setting up Rover (the mc) as basically being the Azem to the Fractisdus's Ascians. In fact one could argue they're just straight up ripping off Shadowbringers.

>>724924628
>SOBs

i just want to point out that the general shitposting stopped when ffxi got mentioned

>>724924663
see >>724923134
He stopped because he's a serial shitposter and didn't expect people who actually know a thing or two about XI to be present and tell him off.

>>724924568
>warhammer
THE IP THAT GOES ENTIRELY ON VIBES???

>>724924628
>develops immunity to meteor because his wife cast it on him so much
Could he defeat Sephiroth?

>>724924663
ffxi "ah so triggered" guy has been chased out of ffxi threads before
sometimes for getting confused and thinking he was pwning a ffxiv thread
sometimes for just being a nuisance and a bad baiter

>>724924821
Sephiroth is small potatoes.

GREAT another schizo

>>724925057
Westwolves bros...

>>724925062
>another

>>724925094
Gonna try talking about video games next thread or just your headmates again?

>>724925089
I actually don't have a lot of random screenshots of the trackers, ah well.

I logged back in after years figuring I'd try dawntrail out.

The immediate "welcome back" bullshit and the cluttered UI made me log out minutes later and I haven't touched it since. I don't think I will either. The story ended with endwalker anyway.

>>724925216
not our problem you can't setup your ui

>>724925198
I'll try to help.

>>724925216
>the cluttered UI
That's a (You) problem, ziv has pretty damn good UI control and layout modification

>>724925057
She will "catch" Lehko after he impregnates a cutie that births Nanaa Mihgo the true best girl

>>724925318
Somehow I don't have any good ones of Y.

>>724924568
Closest I can get you is Type Moon.

>>724921909
The PLD HW questline is so bad it becomes novel. The whole final quest feels like an out of body experience.
>Mfw even the characters themselves are asking what the fuck is happening

>>724925779
i wish constant would come back. we should mentor him more after we wiped the floor with him in the uldah cup

I went to the FF14 caffe in tokyo 2 years ago and just like yawntrail, it was the most dissappointing experience of the entire trip. Drinks were shit and mostly tasted like soda with food colorant, the food took so fucking long and it was bland compared to a fucking 100 yen lawson bento. The souvenirs were incredibly overpriced which sucks because the mini music boxes were fucking cool but i didnt felt like giving them any money after such a shit experience so i payed for me and friend food and left

Now the kirby and pokemon caffe? Amazing, specially the kirby one, who knew that pizza with octopuss and baked ramen noodels could taste incredible

>>724925935
Yeah I went last year and it was ass. The food was all microwaved and the takoyaki almost made me puke. Got my job coasters though.

total dumpy destruction

>>724925525
You're arguing with XIV addicts. Just give up bro

you do know that all jobs in final fantasy didnt exist at one point right they had to introduce it for it to be a part of final fantasy jobs

>>724926258
Proof?

>>724926109
weird schizo response, did you click the wrong post?

Dawntrail was the time for them to have players get a new starting experience. The game is going to die simply because its going to be harder and harder to get new players into doing 500 hours of MSQ before they can have fun with their friends.

Who else wants Heavensward Classic? Hell I'd settle for Stormblood too. A server that goes from ARR-Stormblood would be fun.

>>724926108
Whenever he shows up I have the "say the line bart" simpsons moment pop into my head.

post the folder dumpy

>>724926535
To do what? Expert roulette?

how about island sanctuary? she can begin as soon as completing base ew. i'm not sure if it's the best use of training her hec since there's not too much going on, but it still a very relaxing experience to spend an hour or so per day.

for combat content, maybe blue mage could help, especially with bst on its way with hopefully more limited job content that she'd be prepared to join in on. spell hunting is still fun and the customization feels rewarding. she can then do the carnivale. another option is occult crescent to begin farming demiatmas for the relic which then turns into aetherwell accumulation in roulettes if she wants to. people ko so, so often in oc still, so she hopefully she won't be nervous about playing in a sea of 70 people since she'll likely just get lost in the crowd until she gets her bearings. just skip and ignore ft. oc is actually chill and enjoyable when you go at your own pace.

this is cute. i wish anyone in my family played video games i like with me.