Thread 724978539

is it /v/ approved?

I approve.

>>724978539 (OP)
3 is the best one but i like most of them

Yeah, it has gameplay and flat-chested girls.

>>724978826
>flat-chested girls
this is not a selling point

>>724978539 (OP)
Well, /v/, what dress did her father buy her?

>>724979943
There are girls with tits, too.

>>724978539 (OP)
>trapped in gay denuvo jail forever
gg wp shant buy

>>724978539 (OP)
>a dungeon crawler for retarded children
By nu/v/ standards sure, it fits right in with the bethesda and halo spam

>>724978539 (OP)
Only the 3rd one. Emulate the untold remakes.

I am /v/:
The originals, yes. The remakes, no. The HD versions, yes (assuming you play without Denuvo on the intended difficulty)

>>724981936
Stupid fucking retard

>>724978539 (OP)
Pros: it's EO on PC so you can mod it with naked girl portraits
Cons: you might not like drawing maps with your mouse
Now where the fuck are the 3DS games on PC, Atlus

>>724978539 (OP)
The series is /v/ approved by the minority here that actually love videogames. Buy the HD collection to improve our chances of not being dead anymore.

>>724981989
Your impotent cries go unacknowledged by /v/. /v/, having made its decree, sets off to reveal its truths in another thread.

>>724978539 (OP)
They fucked up the fonts but otherwise yeah

>>724978539 (OP)
EO is a ludo series for real gamers. So no /v/ would not like that.

>>724978539 (OP)
Play WizDaph, anniversary is on right nyaow!

>>724980223
i bet you never got past the first stratum

>>724982976
Well /v/ is filled with turd-world niggers living eternally up xis gaping faggot ass.

>>724983169
>gatchaslop
this is just the way it's going to be from now on, with everything, huh
business selection pressure that gradually turns everything into shit

>>724983663
uhm? The people that worked on Tenchu, Octopath, Way of the Samurai and countless other classics made Wizardry Daphne. It even got Sakamoto in the music side, and Katsuya Terada doing monster design.
It became a big hit in Japan were at times it's even more popular than ZZZ... and it's main demographic is 40 to 60yo's ojisans.

>>724984135
Eat shit and die gachanigger

>>724978539 (OP)
>mfw i want it
>no money for humble

>>724978539 (OP)
Playing EO2 right now. There have been two "bully the loli" moments so far. I hope for more.

why is there always that ONE fucking fucker that always goes DENUVODENUVODENUVO in every thread with a game with denuvo

>>724986241
Because it measurably impacts performance in every game its in and hurts exponentially more customers than piracy it prevents. If it became mandated practice to only sell a car with shit in the gastank, you should be complaining about something like that.

>>724978539 (OP)
WHERE IS NEW GAME

>>724984135
>they poached from dying studios, that means it's good!

>>724986162
Why do you want to be mean to young girls, anon?

>>724986496
This anon is hallucinating.

>>724978539 (OP)
Incredibly based taste (new game never)

oh my fucking god shut the fuck up already sign your stupid petition and get out of here already.

>>724978539 (OP)
It's /v/-shilled

which one should I start with? I probably will only play one unless I really enjoy it

>>724980151
the retards at faglus released it day one without denuvo.

>>724987597
Get the first one from the Humble Monthly.

>>724983169
Daphne is fucking terrible. It has nothing going for it aside from good graphics for a dungeon crawler. Any element of gameplay in it that could've been good gets fucked by it being a gacha where they want you to grind for weeks to strengthen your characters and fork out money to get around grind walls and obtain new characters (because it's one of the stingiest gachas on the market).

>>724984135
>It even got Sakamoto in the music sid
Sakamoto has whored himself out to a dozen different gachas at this point and like most of them Daphne only has a handful of tracks. At least for Sword of Convallaria the soundtrack was more than just a marketing point with it being substantial in size and having motifs throughout instead of every song being interchangeable.

>>724983169
>your toons actually do stuff instead of being a nice png file
Woah, I wish EO had this.

>>724987843
>Any element of gameplay in it that could've been good gets fucked by it being a gacha where they want you to grind for weeks to strengthen your characters and fork out money to get around grind walls and obtain new characters (because it's one of the stingiest gachas on the market).
There's many flaws with the game and the amount of grinding is one of them, but you can't really pay to skip the grind. And at no point do you really have to grind for anything in the main story dungeons, if you aren't able to beat that with just a normal squad you're retarded and shit at the game.

The game is stingy but most legendaries aren't even more powerful than generics, and you can easily beat all of the main story content with just generics.

>>724987597
if you're only going to play one, play 3

>>724987691
im going to illegally acquire all three from the internet

>>724978539 (OP)
Eh, it's alright, I suppose. Though as a blobber, I find Etrian Odyssey extremely overrated. The series has nothing going for it except for the safehorny character designs by Himukai and map painting, the latter of which is just a padding to trick people from noticing how barebone the class options and builds are compared to Dungeon Traveler or Labyrinth of Refrain/Galleria. EO is only popular here because it's babby's first blobber with cute but SFW chara designs. Atlus doesn't have the balls to go full ecchi because their audience has always been normalfag otaku/weebs.

yeah it has some elitist following even though it's just a wizardry clone with anime
Why do they cost so much on steam?
why do they use unity?

>>724988305
Um, uh, j-just use your imagination dumb goyjins! Btw, that would be 80 burger bucks. You're welcome.

>>724989067
Oh my kek...

>>724988802
>but you can't really pay to skip the grind
Yes you can you lying dipshit, the game hits you with level caps on your characters that you need items to raise and you only get a few of those items for free per week whereas you can buy as many as you want if you fork out the cash. You will literally be stuck for weeks waiting to have enough items to raise a single character's level cap once in the late game unless you open your wallet.
>most legendaries aren't even more powerful than generics
This is also blatantly untrue because the special skills that legendaries come with are what makes them valuable. Lanavaille passively healing your entire party after every battle is a human rights-level skill.
> and you can easily beat all of the main story content with just generics.
You can do this in any gacha you fucking dipshit, don't pretend it's a selling point.

>>724989067
This is why I like it. It's fun and comfy to make up my own stories.

>>724988884
>shitting on EO for being basic while praising Refrain

>>724978539 (OP)
I play video games and I enjoyed it, can't say the same for the rest of /v/

There is some obvious improvements that could be made to the map that were fixed as early as the second game but last thread didn't say if the re-hash cash in fixed any of them. I would assume it did.

>>724989521
It's pretty funny. Might try out the games now if I can bully NPCs like that.

>>724988884
That's kinda exactly why I like it, the rpg elements are simple, so I can just chill and try stuff instead of having to search for meta formations, I enjoy the setting enough to just feel happy going through it. Kinda like a cozy farm game but for people who like rpgs and fantasy settings. Like simple, but not lackluster. But I do get people who'd want more involved experiences.

>>724989067
>dumb down TTRPG experience into spamming super-effective moves on three trash mobs in a row
>the essence of an RPG is using numbers to make """""calculated""""" """""decisions"""""
I hate Japniggers so much.

>>724989352
>You will literally be stuck for weeks waiting to have enough items to raise a single character's level cap once in the late game unless you open your wallet.
Literally just dismiss fodder units for tags retard.

>This is also blatantly untrue because the special skills that legendaries come with are what makes them valuable. Lanavaille passively healing your entire party after every battle is a human rights-level skill.
Yeah, and she's one of the free legendaries you can get at the start of the game no matter what. It's good but that skill falls off in usefulness pretty quickly, I benched her for a generic fighter later on.

>You can do this in any gacha you fucking dipshit, don't pretend it's a selling point.
Except the main story is the main selling point of daphne since the main story dungeons are pretty good and all of the extra hard autism side content is completely ignorable, and even then I've beaten all of that content without giving the game any money.

The game's main issue is that the first dungeon is the best content the game has, the second dungeon fucking sucks, and the third is good but still not as good as the first. That and equipment grinding and inventory management is annoying due to how much random shit you'll get.

>>724988884
Even though I liked Dungeon Travelers 2, I feel as if they made some odd decisions in terms of class design, like Samurai. Their selling point is a 3 hit attack that doesn't even work on all enemies, but Valkyries can run around with Daedalus Attack while still possessing a lot more utility. Or Kunoichis sucking terribly and only getting a bandaid skill in 2-2 that didn't really help enough.

>>724989965
>video games should be 80% dialouge

>>724990074
>Literally just dismiss fodder units for tags retard.
>fodder units
>that you get from the gacha
>from the game that is stingy as fuck about gacha currency
>when you want those same units to eat for their skills instead
Good job defeating your own argument, retard.
>it's ok that legendaries are stronger than generic units because you can pick one (1) launch unit at the start of the game
Alright.
>the main story is the main selling point of daphne
Well that's real unfortunate then given how fucking retarded the main story gets the moment you start on the second loop and it devolves into executing increasingly contrived paths to keep people alive through trial and error because everyone in the story is retarded and the game doesn't let you not be retarded.
>dude just ignore half the content lmao
This is the argument you have to make to defend a shitty gacha game. Imagine telling someone playing EO4 to just ignore all the side dungeons and then not bother with the post-game either.

>>724990669
>when you want those same units to eat for their skills instead
Just dismiss the nameless units, you don't need their skills. The amount of tags you get weekly increases the more you go into the game and they do random events pretty often that give you free tags, tags are a non-issue. I've never been gated by tags and I have multiple 60+ level teams while being a free player.

>it's ok that legendaries are stronger than generic units because you can pick one (1) launch unit at the start of the game
Yeah, and you also get multiple free legendary bones at the start too. It's a singleplayer game, just use the units you like instead of trying to metafag the best characters. Once again, most legendaries are barely better than generics, and some generics have unique skills that put them on par with legendaries.

>dude just ignore half the content lmao
Funny how you compared it to EO because guess what, EO's post-games all require grinding, just like how Daphne does. You can get through all of Daphne's hard content by grinding or just getting good, you don't need to paypig for any of it. Having a full team of legendaries isn't suddenly going to make you win, you'll still get your ass beat by the harder fights if you don't have a good strategy.

>>724986496
Why would companies make new games when there is always a newer stupider audience willing to buy the same ones over and over.

>>724992501
Which is in fact how pretty much all entertainment industries have operated for the last 20 years now

>>724988884
>Eh, it's alright, I suppose. Though as a blobber, I find Etrian Odyssey extremely overrated. The series has nothing going for it except for the safehorny character designs by Himukai and map painting, the latter of which is just a padding to trick people from noticing how barebone the class options and builds are compared to Dungeon Traveler or Labyrinth of Refrain/Galleria. EO is only popular here because it's babby's first blobber with cute but SFW chara designs. Atlus doesn't have the balls to go full ecchi because their audience has always been normalfag otaku/weebs.
Nigga you cannot be serious. Also, good job comparing EO to games that came out a full decade later. Dungeon Travelers has fewer viable options than EO and much more stupid rng bullshit, to the point where they have to allow players to save at any time.

been playing Daphne for a while now and now it's very much impossible to play other dungeon crawlers. The production values, being able to see your party adds so much to the experience, it's crazy no other devs tried as hard as this one; the last time was on the saturn sheesh

>>724992443
>It's a singleplayer game, just use the units you like instead of trying to metafag the best characters.
The great thing about non-gacha games is that you can have both, and you don't even need to be a whale for it.
>EO's post-games all require grinding, just like how Daphne does.
EO doesn't timegate you on limited resources that you can pay for instead, god you're dishonest.
> Having a full team of legendaries isn't suddenly going to make you win, you'll still get your ass beat by the harder fights if you don't have a good strategy.
Still saying shit that applies to any game ever.

>>724992706
the game just oozes s0v1; Lulunarde is my favorite companion in a RPG since forever

>>724992706
>don't mess with us wiz daphne fans, we don't even play other games

>>724988305
>3DS games have incredible models for humans and humanoid fights
>too cheap to make anything for the player
absolutely criminal

>>724987843
I got to Abyss 3 in 2 weeks, the game is a bad P2W because you can't get anything that'll make your party stronger from paying.
Legendaries aren't strong enough to get past the goblins at the start, all you can do is grind and get better gear.

>>724988884
>safehorny
Fuck I hate zoomers so much. Nobody takes anything you say seriously if you can't speak fucking english.

>>724992706
it's all the little details they add in every character that makes the party feeling so alive

I pray the Atlus never lets Etrain turn into gacha slop
I would rather Next Stage never come out than it be a fucking gacha game

>>724993065
You can literally buy gear and exp materials to skip grinding and instantly become strong until you hit a level cap in which case you need to clear the dungeons for it. You also directly become stronger by acquiring dupes and feeding them to your characters along with feeding skills from other units to your characters to add new skills, empower existing skills, and directly improve stats.

>>724992762
Daphne's also free while EO is paid + DLC + fatlus tax
Also don't the later EO games literally have DLC you can pay for to skip the EXP grind?

>>724992706
It's grim the devs said the only way they were able to make a new DRPG wizardry game was to make it a gacha, while I do enjoy it I hope we get a true singleplayer Wizardry down the line. That or someone fucking translates wizardry busin.

>>724993136
Don't worry, knowing fatlus you'll get a 120 dollar digital deluxe edition full of day one DLC of content clearly cut out from the base game.

>>724993114
gato sexo?

>>724993258
Are you talking about the gacha gear ? It would be very expensive, more than buying another game.
You can buy junk but treasure chests respawn so it's not worth it.

>>724993114
It's ironic that anyone would praise this because party interactions is one of the areas where it drops the ball the most, you just get the exact same animations at the end of battle over and over again, you get a handful of voice lines, and you get the same copy pasted conversations at the tavern over and over again, the characters have less fucking personality than your party members do in EOV.

>>724993296
>Daphne's also free while EO is paid + DLC + fatlus tax
Yeah and it's a great argument for how free to play produces shit games designed to drain even more money out of you for "convenience".
>Also don't the later EO games literally have DLC you can pay for to skip the EXP grind?
Yeah and everyone shits on it instead of defending it.

>>724993436
> the game is a bad P2W because you can't get anything that'll make your party stronger from paying.
>the gacha doesn't count

>>724988884
Ok now play a game in the series that isn't the first entry

>>724993114
First person combat seeing your party do cool stuff it's such a good choice, what a great game. Can't wait to see what they do with the new class; samurais were hype as hell.

>>724993296
I don't think they'll ever do a single player Wizardry after this: Daphne has make more revenue in this single title than every single Wizardry game for the last 20 years... perhaps even more. It literally saved it's whole company from bankruptcy. Why invest in a risky single player game when this one is printing them money? They got so much response, they had to literally double their developers workforce.

>>724993416
nyes

>>724993440
uhm? Anyon, every-single unique adventurer have a whole load of animations AND voicelines. It's the perk of being a gacha game: each character have way, wayyy more budget put into them than if they were part of a single player experience. They have to, otherwise people wouldn't be so zealously putting their money for them. Their seiyuu casting alone is stellar.

>>724993630
Olive is so cute bwos...

>>724993630
What, exactly is the point? You... watch them stand still and 'evade' an attack by not doing a thing? Imagination is unironically better.

>>724993258
I'm at dungeon 3 and I've been super stingy with my skill upgrades and stored units, most of my skills are still at level 1 and I've been fine. The only skills I've gone out of my way to level is Heavy Attack, and even then fighters get Full Power Strike for free at higher levels which does pretty much the same damage. It's very clear they balance the difficulty of the game around players using generics and keeping most of their skills low-leveled.

I get not liking gacha but the game isn't pay to win. Yes, whales can nuke the game's difficulty by disciplining their units with dupes, but that takes an insane amount of whaling and it honestly just ruins the difficulty of the game because it's more fun when the battles are challenging. The most fun I've had in the game are the bosses like the dungeon 3 doll and crossover event dragon which forced me to fight super carefully and make very good use of my skills and items, and if I had just whaled past that those fights wouldn't be fun.

>>724993440
Literally every player complains how stingy the game is

>>724993776
what? She evaded which then activated her counter stance skill, it's KAKKOI
>>724993114
the s0v1 in this game is second to none; the crow companion of the dwarf thief trims his beard and eats chicken along him in resting fountains; wish I had a webm of it

Why do I never see intelligent criticism of EO? It's always just
>hurr durr babby first drpg because ninjas don't oneshot your party on a blindside (ignore that this kind of bullshit happens anyways in more interesting ways)
>hurr durr grindy and simple (obvious shitposting from fags who have never touched it)
I want to see genuine issues people have with the series but no one ever really posts that.

>>724993490
The exp books don't give you enough to skip the grinding. I can't comment on the p2w gear since I haven't used it.

>>724978539 (OP)
the art looks similar to mistover
is it from the same dev?

>>724993993
I've beaten EO 1/2 untold (classic mode) and EO 3 and 4, I love the series a lot but I do have some consistent gripes.

Party building is fun but it feels like you have to look up a guide if you want to make a good team if you don't want to gimp yourself when it comes to distributing skill points, I do like you can't respec your stats for free since that makes your choices feel more weighty but it does make it so you can fuck yourself over if you invest in a bad skill (though later EO games are better about being more transparent about what skill upgrades do) It would be neat if the games sort of gave you a "training room" that let you test out different skill point distributions at the start so you have a better idea of how you'd want to build your team.

I wish the dungeons had more puzzles or more interesting designs, I understand keeping them simple helps making the map drawing easier but it does feel like they fall into the same sorts of FOE puzzles over and over again.

I'm not a fan when the bosses (usually post-game ones) are just puzzles where you have to memorize every skill they use every turn. A boss having a scripted move is fine, but I prefer when bosses are mostly random with their moves since that forces you to think up plans on the fly if the boss does something you didn't expect. If the bosses moves are all pre-planned, then you don't have to do that sort of planning.

>>724978539 (OP)
>Year of our lord 2025
>absurd price for decade old handheld games
>STILL has not fixed the awful UI and Font that fine in the original
it was such a lazy remaster that i cannot in good faith recommend it to anyone over just emulating the originals for FREE

>>724993993
I like the games, but if I had to list a major one, it's that the dungeon aspect is emphasized a lot less. It's mainly focused on FOE movement, which isn't an inherently bad thing, but it does mean there's no reason to take dungeon related skills, because they take too much away from your combat and don't give enough back in return.

Warp Wire is also too cheap for how strong it is, it makes it too easy to gauge when to get out of a dungeon and makes random encounters less scary because you never have to worry about being low on resources.

>>724993993
I've got a couple complaints but they're mostly entry-specific
>sidequests in 1 and 2 are mostly not worth doing
>the inventory limit makes it too annoying to carry any items that aren't the ultra basic but universally useful options like threads, revives and TP restores
>it's fucking stupid that FOEs in 2 don't give xp
>skill descriptions are mostly ass and need to show more than the ambiguous arrows when leveling

I've kinda been introduced to this entire genre of party crafting dungeon crawls by wizardry variants Daphne and know few other games. Turns out this shit rocks

What would you guys recommend? PC but I can emulate

>>724994887
Etrian Odyssey 3 to start.
But you could also try Labyrinth of Refrain.
And after that you could always try other Wizardry games.

>>724993776
It's a game for people who don't have imaginations, which fits well with phone gamers.

>>724978539 (OP)
Etrian thread
Inb4 dead before bump limit again.

>>724993993
I've posted plenty of times how Atlus as a company has never able to hire someone capable of designing a good superboss

>>724994757
Wiz Daphne's launch was pretty interesting since the game's equivalent of warp wires could only be bought with real money, and the free ones you did get were pretty limited, so you never wanted to use one if you didn't have to, it made going into the dungeon a lot more intense especially because you can't save scum the game.

Unfortunately they started handing out those items like candy in free events so new players won't experience that, but it did make me wish EO did something more to limit warp wire since I've never felt tension like that while playing EO. Obviously there's sometimes events where your warp wire gets stolen but I wish those weren't the exceptions.

>>724993949
>I get not liking gacha but the game isn't pay to win.
No one said it was, retard. It's pay to skip grind, and it's extra grindy accordingly. Of course it's also pay to get any gacha character with any reasonable success, so if you actually like any gacha characters you're fucked. And if you just want to play with generics, then why even play Daphne in the first place when it doesn't do anything other than the graphics better than decades' worth of other dungeon crawlers?

>>724993993
The classes are weird.
Healing is really unreliable at the start so the first stratum is the hardest.
Conditional drops encourage party composition that just makes things harder on yourself but it takes a lot to learn this is the case.
The dungeon 'events' you can find are so negative they are to be avoided.
You need an item to leave the dungeon and you will invariably forget to buy it half the time.
Harvesting skills waste skillpoints so you have to make an entire seperate team to do it.
Skillpoints in general always feel severely limited.
Retiring is a huge grind for barely any gain. It's not necessary but if you try it thinking it will help you basically fucked yourself over.

Still the next best series after SMT 3/SJ/4/4A.

>>724994887
2D FFs play a bit like that.

>>724978539 (OP)
I just started a run of etrian 4 with this dancer. thats it, just this single dancer and no other party members, because im the type of autist who finds challenge runs like that way more fun. i wanna beat everything with her, even the 6th stratum, wish me luck bros

>>724995360
For some reason I hadn't clocked that but you're correct

>>724994527
>I wish the dungeons had more puzzles or more interesting designs, I understand keeping them simple helps making the map drawing easier but it does feel like they fall into the same sorts of FOE puzzles over and over again.
I think one of the biggest issues they have in terms of map design is that walls must always demand a tile of space between them which other dungeon crawlers don't do. It makes the way the maps are laid out more restrictive and there isn't really any need for it. You can't do common traps like fake one way walls when you need an extra space at all times.
>I'm not a fan when the bosses (usually post-game ones) are just puzzles where you have to memorize every skill they use every turn. A boss having a scripted move is fine, but I prefer when bosses are mostly random with their moves since that forces you to think up plans on the fly if the boss does something you didn't expect. If the bosses moves are all pre-planned, then you don't have to do that sort of planning.
Agreed.

>>724993114
Really loved the cosplay event they had at TGS. Wish I could afford to be there...

>>724988305
you'd enjoy Shining The Holy Ark too

>>724994778
>>the inventory limit makes it too annoying to carry any items that aren't the ultra basic but universally useful options like threads, revives and TP restores
I feel like you could easily fix this by having a medicine pouch inventory and a drops inventory which are separate. You could even have a class skill that increases your number of medicine slots which would be a useful field skill for once.
>>it's fucking stupid that FOEs in 2 don't give xp
Did the remaster fix that?

The wizposts in this thread were so bad I've actually uninstalled the app. I was previously tricked into downloading it by less egregious posts but these awful videos have really sealed the actual "game".

>>724995196
Because the dungeons are (mostly) good, random enemy encounter composition is good, and the bosses are fun. The game also keeps a good level of challenge and it hasn't turned into pure auto-battling like how a bunch of other JRPGs or DRPGs turn into. Story isn't anything special but the aesthetic helps carry it for me, and lulu is funny.

The grind is the worst part, but as others have said, you can't even really pay your way out of that.

I've beaten most EO games and played a fair number of other DRPGs, Daphne isn't the best DRPG I've played by a long shot but it isn't bad, it's the only gacha game that's ever actually kept my interest.

>>724995819
>Did the remaster fix that?
No, it was an intentional design choice and the remasters only fixed (some) bugs

>>724995791
Not him but I've been meaning to play that one, do I have to play any of the other shining games first?

>>724995869
ehh? I do believe the story is one of the best parts, specially the 1st abyss that is quite easily one of the best RPG experiences of that year. Yoko Taro picked it as it's GOTY for a reason.

>>724996117
Anon john drecom isn't going to give you more gems just because you shill the game this hard

fuck those succubi enemies, fucking CUNTS charm my ninja turn 1 and make him insta-kill my protag every time

>>724996024
I could be wrong but Trails is the only rpg series that actually has continuity (that isn's schizo nonsense).
Breath of Fire, Final Fantasy, Etrian Oddysey, Star Ocean, SMT, Persona, Dragon Quest (see schizo rambling) etc etc; none have continuity aside from maybe a singular mention of a character.

>>724996450
There's a few dead series that have continuity about Trails level too. Stuff like Suikoden, Shadow Hearts, Phantasy Star, etc.

>>724995869
>The grind is the worst part, but as others have said, you can't even really pay your way out of that.
Here is a non-comprehensive list of things you can buy outright with money in Wizardry Variants Daphne:
Exp books, to level characters
Ore, to strengthen equipment
Skill books, to acquire and level character skills
Crystals, to sell for gold
Extra inventory slots
Extra attempts at daily and weekly quests (these are your primary source of guild tags for raising level caps)
Extra dispatch slots
Increased experience gain for all characters (up to 50%)
Discounted prices on all in-game shop items (up to 50%)
Class change books, to change character classes (every legendary character needs their own version of these)
The ariadne's thread / warp wire equivalent (which can only be obtained in limited quantities without paying)

And that's not even touching on the gacha and everything that comes from that.

>>724996450
It's legitimately impressive how incorrect you are.

>>724996450
>Star Ocean doesn't have continuity
Rena's dominant Nedian genes permanently blued the Kenny bloodline

>>724997126
Rena yelled at Claude to get aquamarine'd while hammering her hips

>>724983169
Why would I play this when I already have Wiz 6-8 and Might and Magic 1-6 on deck to play when I want to crawl in some dungeons?

>>724978539 (OP)
How do I break etrian iv
My team's dps is too low

>>724996954
None of the characters in any of those series carry over between games. Suikoden has McDohl as basically a bonus character which doesn't matter to anything. You miss nothing playing any games from these series in any order. They'll re-use names like Ryu and Erdrick or have stupid shit like 'it's the same world 1000 years later' which is meaningless.
Lufia is another game with actual continuity but the 2nd game is the first one, and the only one worth playing.

>>724996936
The best source of guild tags is dismissing dupes
Ore is free in the caves
You drown in money items
Exp books suck
Rest is valid
Like you can buy them but that's like saying DMV V is P2W because you can buy red orbs.

>>724997126
Claude being the son of a character from the first game has no real consequence. Playing the first game doesn't add anything and the second one doesn't add anything to the character from the first game. The rest of the games don't even have that minor connection.

>>724984135
>DUDE THEY GOT TERIYAKI YAMAHA TO DRAW THE BOOBS
No Sir-Tech no care.

>>724997509
>The best source of guild tags is dismissing dupes
From the gacha. And as previously mentioned they also have the purpose of feeding their skills into other characters (or being used to strengthen themselves if you're using those generics), so a person spending money on the gacha has even more to work with whereas a free player will have barely anything to work with.
>Ore is free in the caves
>You drown in money items
>Exp books suck
Doesn't matter, you can pay to skip them.
The only thing you can't pay to skip is actually raising the level caps because you need to beat the dungeon with a character to do that, but maxing out that character's stats and gear and feeding them a billion skills from the gacha will sure make that a lot easier.
>Like you can buy them but that's like saying DMV V is P2W because you can buy red orbs.
>P2W
You're failing to understand the distinction between paying to win and paying to skip the grind. Buying orbs in DMC isn't going to make you better at the game, though it will let you unlock skills faster and buy more consumables I guess. But DMC isn't an RPG where your character's stats are hugely influential, so it's a stupid comparison to make. If you could use red orbs to buy new knuckles for Nero that buff all his stats and deal 10 bajillion damage and give instant SSS rank for the rest of the stage when he fires them it'd be a more apt comparison.

>>724996936
You get more ore exploring the dens, more xp fighting monsters, the crystals can be bought with ingame currency and there's a weekly limit, right now there's a cave to grind for gold.

I've spent 10$ on the game, still progressing the story normally.

>>724997706
I love Teriyaki Chicken's Clean remix of bloop bloop bloop from 1984.

>>724997842
At no point was it said that you can't obtain those things otherwise. You don't have to pay to skip the grind, but doing so is absolutely an option. This is a fact. If you can't understand this you're beyond help.

>>724997706
Robert Woodhead literally gave the game his seal of approval bro, and he's a gigaweeb, seeing japs continue his series probably makes him happy.
He literally used the money he made from the original wizardry games to make one of the first anime subbing companies.

>>724998129
>Weebs
>Westernization of anime
Neither of these is a good thing

>>724995078
Star Devourer was pretty good all things considered

>>724997832
You get a good starting number of rolls honestly. It's about half way through the first dungeon things start to die. You limp on with events and got to dodge the default roll trap which is fucked up but I haven't paid and I'm deep in dungeon 2.
Motivation is lacking because dungeon 2 sucks a fat one compared to one but that's besides the point.
I dunno man. I'm drowning in gear just doing the 12 hour dispatches. End game sounds like a nightmare but I don't want to be that guy anyway.
More over skill levels increase skill cost and increase caps so it only becomes as worth while as how broken you become.

Now not being able to reliably get MP/SP potions is fucking bullshit. There's chest in the dungeons but they have a literal month timer like what the fuck

It's flawed, I'm not trying to convince you to do something you wouldn't like but I'd be more concerned over a need to whale over the ability to

>>724998129
Do the Japanese Wizardry games throw a few bucks towards the creator? Or do they let the Japanese keep making more without any issues?

>>724998054
You're a nigger. How else are devs supposed to make money off a fucking blobber. The only real egregious monetization that affects the overall gameplay experience of WVD are new units and unique weapons.

why is a gacha being discussed as if it's a serious option to spend time on

>>724997706
err, anyon, they quite literally got the OG's to not only praise the game, their feedback was integral to the development of the game; they greatly respect Wiz 1 to the same degree they love Dragon Quest.
>>724998457
They own Wizardry and are in very good terms with Woodhead. He appears in several videos, and left them a message for the anniv.
>>724997418
It's downright the most ambitious bloober ever done, which... shows how little people have ever cared for the genre. Literally everyone just ever only threw a few jpg's (if lucky) and called it a day, let your imagination do everything else. Just picture what if Wizardry 8 party interaction was done again... only that it'll never run out of content. That's Daphne.

>>724998638
I want to rape Lanavaille so badly.

>>724998576
Wizardry is pretty good. In spite of not because of the gatcha elements and it's the same genre.
Not so good that guy needed to call the detracting anon a nigger but eh.

>>724998412
>Now not being able to reliably get MP/SP potions is fucking bullshit. There's chest in the dungeons but they have a literal month timer like what the fuck
Guess what else you can buy with real money?
>It's flawed, I'm not trying to convince you to do something you wouldn't like but I'd be more concerned over a need to whale over the ability to
My concern is with how the monetisation of the game degrades the quality of the game as systems are designed around encouraging players to spend money. Which only becomes more apparent the further you get.

>>724998460
>How else are devs supposed to make money off a fucking blobber.
They could try designing and selling the thing as a real product instead of being jews seeking to line their pockets with gacha money.

>>724998638
>It's downright the most ambitious bloober ever done
This is an awe-inspiring level of ignorance.

>>724998412
Honestly, having MP/SP pots be rare is something I like. It makes them feel actually valuable. You can grind them pretty easily late game though since you'll just get them for free sometimes for sleeping at the 5000 room at the inn.

>>724998576
Because it's fun and there's no other big DRPGs to talk about. Atlus really dropped the ball letting EO die when there's clearly an audience for DRPGs still with how popular wizardry has gotten.

>>724998804
show me a bloober with more content and production values than daphne

>>724998841
Sure, here's a 12 year old indie game.

>>724998921
>tile dancer

>>724998726
Fair. I think you're exaggerating a bit but I get your concern. Post game shit being what it is is sorta forced to be a whale only zone. Each dungeon needs to be stronger because logically you beat the last one and it sorta creates a loop.

If it wasn't money it'd still be a lot of time.
Even as I complain about sp/MP pots it's a 100 gold in stay to replenish and every floor almost has a harken. I do question why those systems exist if they're such nothing.

>>724998921
Should've hired a Moonwalker. Would've danced all those undead away for you.

>>724981936
>The remakes, no
No he's right, anyone who hates fun this much doesn't deserve to even look at this franchise much less participate in its thread. Kill yourself.

>>724999134
So I'm good to play Melliyum Gurl until that FF12 like blobber comes out and be accepted in this thread?

>>724998987
>If it wasn't money it'd still be a lot of time.
That's the thing, being live service encourages it to be substantially more time-consuming than a normal game because they need to keep players engaged for long periods in between content updates so that the players will still be around and spending, hence why you have the gacha with drip-fed currency, hence why you have timegated guild tags and quests, hence why you have massive grinds for gear and materials, hence why you can buy monthly passes to increase the amount of exp characters get (which is totally better value than buying exp books outright!).

No EO game or Experience game or DT2 game is designed like this because they're games you're expected to buy and complete, not games they want you to keep playing and keep spending money on forever. Hell, Labyrinth of Touhou 2's post-game grind is the most absurd one I can think of in a normal DRPG and you'd probably put less time into than you would doing the weekly chores in Daphne for a couple months.

Faith is my Pillar niggggggaaaaaaaaaaa

Untold is superior.

>>724998921
ehhh, to begin this comparison: not even the same genre; Grimrock isn't a Wizardry-like, it's a Dungeon Master like, but let's entertain this:
Grimrock 2 doesn't have nearly the same amount of animations, unique characters, monsters, voice actors, CONTENT, quests, biomes, music and illustrations.
And this is *just* the game (we already established production wise is much bigger) Daphne has way more content *outside* the game; from a constant wave of human made fanart, to cosplayers, merch and real life events (museums.) Grimrock 2 isn't nearly in the galaxy regarding how big Daphne is game wise, cultural wise AND otaku wise.

>>724999520
Very Milli

>>724999402
Again I think you're exaggerating a bit. Actual in game time to do the dailies and dispatches is very minimal so it's hard to compare. The business model is more impulse control than incentive after all. There's a reason they offer a way better price to reward ratio offer every boss defeated or floor cleared that only lasts a day.

>>724999547
>Grimrock isn't a Wizardry-like, it's a Dungeon Master like
They're both blobbers, though since the guy was calling them bloobers I imagine he doesn't understand what the term even means.
>Grimrock 2 doesn't have nearly the same amount of animations, unique characters, monsters, voice actors, CONTENT, quests, biomes, music and illustrations.
Comparing to Daphne now? Sure. Comparing to Daphne at launch? Grimrock 2 had more content. And way more variety in biomes and enemies than what Daphne offered at launch.
And again, Grimrock 2 is a 12 year old indie game. And Grimrock was hugely successful in part because those indie devs made a dungeon crawler that had far better visuals and presentation than what dungeon crawlers typically offered, which surprise surprise, is exactly why Daphne gets attention as well.
>content outside the game
Who gives a shit?

>>724999547
And (you)! (You)'re too much of a fan. You're like his polar opposite. Relax nigga. You can't claim variants Daphne is a BLOBBER and then be like "hurt grimlock is more of a not blobber actually"

That's insane

>>724994887
Well there's wizardry 5 ordeals on steam, that's got custom dungeon support.

>>724999520
For 2, yes. For 1, it's more of a tradeoff.

>>724983169
>anniversary is on right nyaow!
What the fuck? I downloaded this when it came out and I swear once a week I always tell myself to finally get off my ass and play it, no way I've been doing that for a year now.

>>724999402
NTA but I think it's the opposite, you're supposed to drop the game until the next abyss.

Who /love mappin'/ here.

>>724988884
>Just spam Bind bro!
Main main gripe. A single status effect completely trivializes most boss encounters and absolutely renders other strategies moot.

>>724986162
Bullying Shilleka about her slutwear in EOU is the funniest shit

>>724978539 (OP)
should I get the humble bumbdle or just play untold (and the rest of the series) on my dust collecting 3ds

>>724998576
It's fantasy football for weebs

>>724999898
you should go ahead and get into it again as they are giving away at least 2 (limited) legends and a significant amount of free gibs to on with it

>>725000113
But you can't spam them since they build up resistance to the ailment.

>>724999957
Only if it’s on physical graph paper.

>>724988884
EO hast the best games in the genre.
EOIII > Wizardry 8

>>724986474
>it measurably impacts performance in every game its in
Get new material grandpa. No one cares about initial startup times.

>>724997490
>None of the characters in any of those series carry over between games.
Breath of Fire 3 opens with a mural depicting the events of the first game, retardbro.
Several characters from Persona 1 pop up in 2.

does wizardry daphne still force you into using the english dub if you want english text? i'm not gonna play it until they get rid of this retarded limitation

>>725002882
Persona 5 was the start of the series.

>>724997490
>Suikoden has McDohl as basically a bonus character which doesn't matter to anything.
You fucking retard. Viktor and Flik are literally some of the most iconic characters in the series and are in both 1 and 2, Viki and Jeanne also show up in every main numbered game

>>725002126
>EO 3 is better than the worst of the trilogy
It ain’t better than Wizardry 7, or Might and Magic 3

>>725003042
It's such a pity that 4 and 5 went with being prequels. 5 was great, though.

>>725002975
Yeah they added jap audio option a while back.

>>725003415
thank fuck. guess i'll try it finally

>>724978698
Is almost 10 years since EO had its 10 year anniversary

>>725003801
theres a video of a deer flipping a lil kid into the air but... i wasn't able to find it. It's extremely funny so please imagine the scenario thanks

>>725003801
F O E F O E

>>725004397
Do you think FOE taste delicious?

>>725004508
Untold 2 makes them delicious.

>>724989067
NPCs wouldn't get it.

>>725004094
Thought you were bullshitting until the realization hit.

>>725006071
The guy that thinks people only play the games to goon to the artstyle when the characters are only visible at the start of the adventure is the best one.

>>724979943
>flat-chested girls
>not a selling point

>>724982987
You can mod the old fonts back in.

https://gamebanana.com/mods/447602

>>724983169
gacha or not this is the best depiction of first-person dungeon crawling anyone's ever done

>>725009310
This was the trailer for the 3rd abyss; when this game tries, it feels like a goddamn fucking adventure man:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooAyct8VZDM
The vibes are something else. Knowing you WILL die because your greediness wants you to at least go back with just another little chest, a little bit more explored map, and all you have is a single pot and MP left to deal with the next encounter... It's so addicting. There is a reason why even with all it's issues people kept faithful to it. This past month it made +6m$ in revenue.

>>725010846
>Knowing you WILL die because your greediness wants you to at least go back with just another little chest, a little bit more explored map, and all you have is a single pot and MP left to deal with the next encounter...
You get three free on the spot revives every day by the way.

>>724978539 (OP)
I don't think you can find a more /v/ approved game than Etrian Odyssey.

>>725010846
Wow a +6m$ revenue? That's seriously impressive! I cannot believe that it is doing the scratching of the feelings for that of the dungeon crawl. This game is really seeming to be all the hype? Yes! I think you are right and that all internet web users should definitely be trying that game out!

>go into the dungeon
>guard tells me to go fill out my map
>go fill it out
>come back
>he tells me to go fill out my map
>turn off the game because im not going to go looking for the single square I missed
nice game

>>724983169
I play Wizardry (day 1 actually, got a D5 Wandering Lana and everything) but you can't really recommend this game to most people. I play it because I'm a 30 year old boomer who's played every single relevant dungeon crawler already and want more. For the average /v/fag this is a terrible idea. This isn't a game you recommend to someone who's just played his first EO, this is a game you do recommend to someone on his second play through of the Dark Spire in Japanese because there are basically no more dungeon crawlers for him to play. It is a very well done dungeon crawler with stellar voice acting (in japanese) and very good atmosphere, but it's dragged down by gacha mechanics.

>>725004397
More like
F L O P P E D!

>>724988884
>safehorny
>Dungeon Traveler and Refrain
Zoomers shouldn't be allowed to speak on matters that are beyond them. Please go back to twitter or wherever it is you got your opinions from (since you didn't play any of the games you mentioned).

I've played both labyrinth games and loved them should I play the etrian odyssey series?
Is the HD port good or is it shit?

>>724996936
Have you ever felt even tempted to buy any of these things? I beat Guarda on its true end with 10+ Ebonsteel equipment with shit blessings because I don't grind, with none of my characters having almost any investment since I'm a schizo hoarder always anxious when it comes to spending resources, and it wasn't particularly difficult (actually easier than most EOs I've played). I've spent 0 dollars on the game. I don't even do the whale bait grinding events that give out shitty scrolls, I just log in to get gems (if I even remember) since I'm done with the main content. Just treat it as a singlepalyer game until the next abyss releases.

>>724998921
god, this game was great. I'll never forgive how underappreciated it was

>>725013674
the HD ports are expensive, fucked up the fonts, and added denuvo. but thankfully they accidentally published them without denuvo on day 1, so you can pirate them and mod the fonts. other than that, they are pretty much the same as the original except for not being on an actual DS, which some might prefer

>>724988869
Just emulate the untolds and play 3hd jfc it's not hard

>>724992706
I really want them to release a non-gacha version of this by the end of its lifetime. I liked the intro and love the art style but when I end up seeing seasonal menus and rolls and all that shit I just lose interest. I haven't played since unlocking all that shit.

>>725016468
It's criminal how so many games with a cool game idea or have a nice art style are banished to gacha hell

>>724997485
Imperial/Runemaster (3x if you want to delete things) with a Runemaster to turn a neutral resistance into a weakness for maximun elemental drive damage
Runemasters also deal almost as much damage as them and can easily oneshot every normal encounter with Origin Rune
Bushis in general they just shit out damage and don't need much support other than maybe a dancer for the attack buff
Sniper with the multihit skill and attack/crit/hit rate buffs/forges
Nightseeker/Arcanist with his retarded strong poison and his lvl40 multihit skill

>>724978539 (OP)
Is it better to buy the hd remaster of the 3 games on switch or buy the original ds games?
I emulated the first game before and I loved it, but the prices for the ds games are not cheap specially the 3rd game.

>>724999520
true but 1 kind of sucks regardless

>>725016468
with how much money it's making, I doubt it'll come anytime soon. Perhaps a decade or more desu; japanese focused mobile gaming can literally last forever.

>>724983169
The gacha part and most importantly its threadmill mentality absolutely kills it despite essentially being the best wizardry style game in decades.

>>725019085
uhmmmmnnnnyo
the gacha part could actually be the best part for several people, specifically japanese salary men, because they LOVE gacha gaming, and they love Wizardry as well. Match made in tenku for them, and the people that unironically enjoy gacha gaming in general.

Man I hope we get remasters of 4, 5 and Nexus eventually.
I wanna revisit them with weird gimmicky teams.

>>724987597
Start with 1 if you intend to play them all eventually. Otherwise, 3.

1 is a fun enough game but it suffers heavily from "first game syndrome" (questionable balance, some questionable quest design, etc.)
2 is a game that is, in a sense, one big "reaction" to 1. Things that sucked in 1 are busted in 2 and vice versa, and the game generally encourages hyper-offense teams instead of taking a balanced approach (the early game is particularly brutal in this regard - the best defense is killing enemies before they can act).
3 is generally considered to where the series finds its footing and is more indicative of what the latter games will be like.

>>725019356
I'm also gonna add that EO1's post-game stratum is perhaps the most overtly hostile experiences in the entire series.
Like it feels like less of a bump in difficulty that you would expect from post-game content, and more like the developers actively trying to waste the players' time and make them stop playing.

>>725018545
Buy 3hd remaster and emulate the untolds nigger

What the fuck is a blobber

>>725021206
it's a retarded term meaning that your team is an amophous "blob" instead of a defined jrpg party.

>>725018205
>Imperial/Runemaster
You already failed

>>724997485
Sub Bushi on every damage dealer. Take a point into blood surge, deep breath and endure.
Enjoy

>>724983169
I love turn based dungeon crawlers/blobbers but couldn't stomach this game.
The whole gacha/mobile game design just kills it. Everything revolves around farming the cash shop currency & logging in every day to do boring chores. But even if you ignore the gacha aspect it's very light on meaningful content.
At the time of me quitting there were only
>2 unique story dungeons
>5 classes
>very little enemy variety with a lot of level scaled and recolored enemies
>like 4 bosses
>no interesting gear, just endless generic items with randomly rolled modifiers and all the interesting unique items being gacha-only
I know they added more classes and 1 story dungeon since I stopped playing but it's still pathetic when your average EO game has 6+ dungeons and 10+ classes and hundreds of unique enemies.
Daphne also has side dungeons but they're all dreadfully boring - just generic caves featuring the same mobs from the story dungeons (recolored and level-scaled, of course) with layots that might as well be procedurally generated. And you're expected to run these side dungeons multiple times for crafting materials/event rewards/etc. Just awful.
The whole time travel gimmick is an interesting idea but in practice it's just another excuse to make you play through the same content multiple times and keep you in the game for longer.
On top of all that it's buggy as shit.
Maybe in 5 years when they add more story dungeons, classes and mechanics it will be worth to play through once and uninstall, provided they don't shut down the servers by then, but for now, it's really not worth the time and effort.
I will say that despite all this it's still the best gacha game that I've played, but that just means that it's merely dogshit instead of a pool of diarrhea mixed with semen and vomit.

>>725021206
What zoomies call DRPG/dungeon crawler

>>724978539 (OP)
It needs actual 3d animation to be considered playable in current year
Fighting with png images is so last decade

>>725024719
>3d
Cease to be please.

What roguelike dungeon crawlers would you guys recommend? Love build variation and anime graphics and while EO is fun and all. I dunno, I find it kinda stale.

>>724978539 (OP)
lolis are cute but gameplay is shit, just killing pngs over and over

>>725021206
a forced meme like native isekai

would be better as a normal jrpg where you can actually see the lolis during gameplay

No one likes pngslop

>>724978539 (OP)
I like them, but they're incredibly flawed. Mainly, classes and their skills aren't equal and it's not always obvious at first glance what the good ones are (ie: EO1 medic is nearly mandatory and not because of healing), and if you don't pick a good party and level everything right on the first try, the punishment is hours of tedious grind to get back on track. Some classes aren't unlocked until later, and some have such a lopsided progression curve that they're burdens at certain points of the game. You could spoil yourself on meta builds or use the cheat DLCs in titles that have them - and I bet a lot of people do it - but that doesn't feel like the intended way to play. The series wouldn't have lost much if it had exp share for benched members and free skill point resets imo.

>>725025768
bumpies

>>724978539 (OP)
I was having a good time with it and even finished the first one, but ended up dropping it at the second.
Mainly because I loved the Beast class at first sight, only to learn that it is actually dogshit due to a bug in one of its most important skills.

>>725022034
wrong

should I play the DS versions instead of the HD ports? mostly wondering because of the manual mapping

>>724999520
they're both good. the layouts and fight mechanics are mostly different and you can ignore the story mode if it's not your thing, so the untolds are basically different games taking place in the same settings.

>>725029496
no the HD ports are a straight upgrade in every way minus the font
mapping with your mouse is not as good but still perfectly fine

>>725025768
>>725028904
bumpies!!! JESUS YOU PEOPLE

>>725029843
thanks

I hate flow-chart superbosses. Also Ur-Devil specifically, but that's for other reasons.

>>724978539 (OP)
No. Emulate untold 1+2 for 3DS and buy 3HD for PC.

>>725030552
>flow-chart superboss
buzzword

>>725034881
I don't think it is in this case.

>3ds retroachievements never ever
Even 3 on the ds doesn't have achievements. What's with that?

>>725003042
Recurring characters are not continuity when they have no bearing on the plot.
This whole thing is about whether playing games in order matters. Trails matters, it is the same characters immediately continuing the story from where it left off. None of these others make any difference.

>>725036135
>it is the same characters immediately continuing the story from where it left off.
You mean bloat?

There's no reason why CS4 NEEDS lel everyone is here besides "lel just because"

You have zero story telling capabilities. If your long running series has characters that are incapable of standing on their own two without always leaning into old characters then they are weak. Series like Ogre and Suikoden understood this even though they are unfinished. And every game in both games take place in the same world

>>725036523
*series

>>725036523
I made no claims of continuity being good. The ideal story is 'an ancient evil has awakened and you are the chosen hero to defeat it' on the title screen.
It took two tries to play through the first Trails and I only made it a couple hours into the second. I've played through all those other series though.

>>725035712
What the hell is this

>>725039006
That's the last boss of Etrian Oddysey. You have to use void fire/volt/cold on those turns or you die. If you have 10 buffs total across your party the boss will dispell them and then kill you the next turn. You need to abuse this to make him lose turns right before he is forced to do his elemental attacks instead.

>>724997490
Blatantly incorrect. Breath of Fire has Bleu carry over between 1 and 2, 3 calls back to the first, and so on. I'm not surprised a retard who hasn't played Suikoden doesn't know how much carries over between games. The only one removed from the line is Suikoden 4 and even there there's Suikoden Gaiden, AKA Suikoden Tactics. I've just got one quick question for you: does it hurt to be that retarded, or are you just numb to all mental stimuli?

>>724998638
If they like dungeon crawlers, maybe they should have developed one instead of some sort of gacha garbage.