Thread 724980170

The patch 7.4 liveletter is unimminent. How do you think FFXIV is going to pan out in the next patch?

Post wols

Glamour changes are kino
Corvos storybook looks kino
Remember that doomGAWDS won and made Yoshitpiss improve the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxn2O4g5HQI
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>>724980261
>John XIV

>>724980170 (OP)
>The patch 7.4 liveletter is unimminent.
anond what are you talking about? the liveletter was last week and the next one isn't until December 6th

>>724980170 (OP)
WHO IS THIS CHARACTER

>>724980954
That's why he said it's un-imminent.
>>724980961
Athena

7.4 looks good, just need the 7.5 ult to be about the Auspices and we're in a good spot.

>>>/vg/
Back to your containment board.

>>724980994
>Athena
she looks like my cousin

>>724981062
there is a zero percent chance of that happening. it'll be SHB MSQ, but i don't know if that means we'll get Sin Eater ultimate or Ascian ultimate

>>724981123
Can your cousin deepthroat me, dude?

Threadly reminder

>>724980170 (OP)
i think it will be going in with the same low expectations we had for 7.3, especially after 7.25 tanked all possible good will it had made with the msq changes. PT is a win.

I don't think a variant is gonna affect anything. especially if the hard mode has one significantly easier boss thats faster to farm over and over rather than killing all three bosses

Generals belong in /vg/

>>724981178
Unfortunately, SB was robbed...Ascian ultimate is way easier to do and will have same effect as DSR where people who dont even raid will beg for carries because muh emet, muh elidibussy. Hades EX already tries to be a mini ultimate so there's a lot to grab from that alone and actually tune up since otherwise it was a very boring and drawn out EX

>>724981468
Remember when dumpy got laughed out of the thread last night? That was hilarious.

Do it again dumpy.

>>724981123
can you give me your cousins phone number?

>>724980868
Yeah I play the guy on the box because hes the main character

>>724981591
What did you do in Final Fantasy today?

>>724981629
No, Meteor =/= player character.

>>724981062
It would be neat but it's not happening, they would need to be able to put out 3 ultimates per expansion and right now they can't handle more than 1. It's a shame too because as the game progresses we end up having more involved and sizeable sidequests that easily could be food for an ultimate but they'll never see the light of day. Maybe Chaotic is the future, but we still would need more than 1 per expansion.

>>724981598
>>724981198
No she's married

>>724981690
1-2-1 so far in frontlines on onsal, mostly trying out black mage and it fucking sucks now, I miss the giant aoe activator skill.

You?

>>724981748
Did Yok Huy dailies and stellar success dailies, then had to make dinner. Maybe I'll squeeze in some deep dungeon before raid.

wow, the pic dumper came early

FFXI is such a good game, I wish XIV took more story notes from it.

Abel thinks bringing up FFXI will derail the thread. Very sad behavior.

...

/v/ is a blue (protocol) board

>>724982040
It's the nu-dumper, he's on/off with the dumping.
>>724980261
ok

i've seen some of these images before

>>724982572
Same as it ever was. What did you do in Final Fantasy today? Anything cool?

>>724981637
>>724981710
>>724981771
>>724981875
>>724982152
>>724982159
>>724982234
>>724982440
>>724982598
DUMPER! NO DUMPING!

>>724982152
why are you so angry at me asking the same question every thread, to the point where you saved the image so i can't post it
lol

>>724982716
Just edit one pixel and ask it anyway.

>>724980170 (OP)
raped to death by chinks

>>724982750
fair enough

How would (you) fix FFXIV?

>>724982904
Halt leveling at 100
Redistribute skills through the leveling process
Introduce a horizontal progression system at level 100
Make jobs fun and unique and powerful in their own ways and tell balancetrannies to hang

Who did it better?

It feels like the challenge has shifted away from the jobs themselves and into the boss fights. Many fights have become memory games: memorize the pattern, follow the cues, and you’ll be fine.

I think it would be much more engaging if:

Jobs themselves were challenging and meaningful to play, requiring real skill, resource management, and decision-making.

Boss mechanics were still interesting, but not the main source of difficulty.

Players could feel rewarded for mastering their rotation and reacting intelligently.

We need a balance tho. I dont think we want the job-design back from Heavensward.(That was maby a bit to hard and we dont need insane dps checks in Savage).

>>724878945

Don't forget last night dumpy, LOL

>>724980170 (OP)
Are they even planning on fixing housing? Buying the house would get me to subscribe, other wise I am not interested.

But my ideal scenario would be for game to get another reset like Realm Reborn, the game, engine, mechanics are way too outdated.

>>724983119
Anything to say about video games?

A deep and interesting system can also bring new players in. Not all players want brain dead relax content. SE need to be brave and try making the game more interesting again.

What should they do with society quests?
I feel like they're barely a thing at all. They take maybe 5-6 minutes to complete each day and after maybe 4-5 weeks you're done with them and never interact with them again (unless you're leveling another job that can use them). I doubt they could suddenly just make them take longer, because players have gotten so used to barely interacting with them that they'd revolt. The rewards would have to be improved somehow, and we know how bad CS3 can be with rewards.
All I can think of is adding a new dye color or some other reward that is permanently useful on the market board with each new society. Then you can at least use it to make money.

If people still have any huff of copium whether 8.0 is actually deliver on its promise to make jobs fun, unique and engaging again, they should really think and reconsider. 7.2 is supposedly their new creative and fun encounter design, and it's only been doubling down on DDR and mechanics related checks, and little else. They even further demolished jobs in 7.2 like BLM or DRG to accomodate. Jobs are just there to keep people's fingers occupied while doing so, and check if they can multitask properly when mechanics happen.

Without encounters not offering a single bit of actual RPG combat gameplay, and the devs continuing blindly into this new action game design, who in their right mind can even think that reworked jobs will suddenly gain any player agency and intricacies to play around if the encounter design can't even interact with jobs in the first place? The only way we'd get anything interesting would require them to reinvent their encounter design, so do you really think they'll do this once more after saying they'd do it for 7.2?

>>724983010
>Introduce a horizontal progression system at level 100
how would this work for later expansions?
i heard it worked for XI but i never played that

>>724983090
>It feels like the challenge has shifted away from the jobs themselves and into the boss fights.
it doesn't feel like it, that's just how it is now

>>724983152
Too busy playing games dumpee, but you will be here for the next 6 hours seething right?

Hold on, I'll be back to laugh again in 20 minutes after this match.

Their patch cycle is simply too long to sustain the “easy jobs hard encounters” mantra because each piece of content only has an enjoyable difficulty range for a narrow range of players and everyone else sorta tolerates it based on how good the reward structure is (which since 14 doesn’t have chase items is by and large terrible). There is a reason people focus so hard on rewards in modern 14 and its because by and large people are looking to basically be forced to do content because it isn’t enjoyable minute to minute and “rewards” kinda paper over that problem

Granular content would make skill floors lower, not higher. That’s why there was such a dichotomy in response to DT’s battle content over EW’s. Anyone who was above the skill floor for EW’s content liked the DT changes because at least some more stuff was happening, anyone below the skill floor hated the changes because the encounters now present hard floors for them

So the current design only works where there is a floor SOMEWHERE. If you make it too low you bore anyone above it, if you make it too high you exclude too many people. EW did the former and DT you could argue is doing the latter.

That’s why granular difficulty surrounding the jobs is the better design. You SHOULD be able to clear everything below extreme spamming cure 1. But if you have more than 3 brain cells and know that’s the least efficient thing you could possibly do then your job should present a ceiling you can willingly interact with up to your comfort level. Putting the granular difficulty into the job basically bakes quantum into every fight without them actually having to balance quantum into every fight. And it removes hard floors on encounters they raised to pander to people bored to tears by EW

>announce Beast Master as one of your big features for Dawntrail before release
>it's pushed back to 2 years after expansion's release
>still don't know anything about it and we're nearing 7.4

>>724980170 (OP)
Expecting nothing or the bare minimum

why wont this bot spammer nuke xivg instead and let people talk about the game on vee

use your destructive bot powers for greater good

The catch, from a practical standpoint, is implementation. Adding that kind of granularity to every job across the entire game is an enormous design and balancing task, especially considering the millions of players with wildly different skill levels and playstyles. It’s the kind of thing that could easily introduce new issues while solving others, and SE would have to invest amounts of time and resources into testing and iteration.

So yes, it’s an interesting idea, but considering their track record with job adjustments, I’m not sure it’s a path they’ll go down? The other thing is — wouldn’t this also result in the thing they dislike? Further exclusion from Party Finders based on skill? I’m not an expert here, just thinking out loud. Who knows, maybe they surprise us and go this route.

>>724983316
My thought is to make a sphere grid system with nodes you unlock as you please, and probably a point system to pick what nodes you set. I don't know, but we can't keep leveling forever and fucking up skill distribution that's already miserable for most of the game.
>>724983328
You're clearly not too busy since you've made two posts and they're both off-topic boogeyman shit instead of video games. What did you do in Final Fantasy today?

So this is advanced Pablo posting... not bad

I mean this is how the game worked pre ShB. Go back and look at SB savages. They are hilariously easy from a mechanical design perspective compared to the modern fights with a few notable exceptions. And that’s because the jobs held the majority of the difficulty. It’s not like “meta” picks were any more or less prevalent back then (before anyone quotes HW PLD at me let me remind you that that was for HALF of one tier and PLD still wasn’t even the least popular tank in the half a tier it was useless. WHM has been useless since 4.0)

I doubt their ability to return the jobs to anything approaching their old iterations but the fact remains the current design is unsustainable so they have to do something

>>724980170 (OP)
I’m so happy man I already got like 5 outfits ready

expect more of the same slop and skinnerbox content that people can clear with mmominion tensor acrs and dalamud plugins. nothing new, nothing innovative.

>>724983558
He has no power there, his janny friend only exists on this board.

I miss when you had technical things you could do like stunning bosses, silencing spells, putting status effects. I think there would be a lot more complexity to the game if we brought back basic final fantasy status effects. It would give the healers things to do besides pressing an oGCD heal and spamming one button attack. Putting status effects on bosses as well allows for different strategies that could make for unique gameplay. Ultimately that is the challenge though - FFXIV plays like a theme park and one can't guarantee the same experience if there are variables like status effects. I felt like that in recent dungeons failing DDR mechanics usually results in an effect like twice comes ruin, where you can mess up once but twice and you get off-ed. dungeons are expected to be played for a certain amount of time, and that limits skill expression as result, because players must be forced to play the content for the expected time.

>>724983196
>>724983294
>>724983357
>>724983486
>>724983571
what's with all of the blogposts replying to one? i've been seeing them getting periodically dumped into xiv threads recently

>>724983813
I'd rather fight the boss than fight my hotbars, and "playing piano to do dps" stopped being fun to me like 2 MMOs ago, which is why I gravitate to the jobs with more straightforward rotations or easier-to-understand priority systems.

I DO wish that the Boss fights were not as heavily scripted as they are. I'd love to see a boss with a 5-6 attack moveset, that executes their moveset in a random manner that forces us to be reactive instead of being able to plan a fight.

Overall, I will always prefer the complexity to be in the boss fight and not in the job rotations.

>>724983558
very good question
i guess /xivg/ moves to fast for him or they straight up ignore him, like people here should

>>724983558
He is way too much of a little bitch to go to /xivg/ plus it’s way faster so most of his stuff would get ignored

>>724983885
>>724983919

It's a spammer who copies and pastes posts from the xiv forum.

>>724983929
Just talk about Final Fantasy instead. Tell us what you did in Final Fantasy today.

I think people really miss the point where they immediately associate job complexity as “fighting your hotbars”

Right now the jobs are unbelievably simple while also being overwhelmingly bloated…….because since every button is a variation on “do damage” it makes it so every button MUST be pressed somewhere within its cool-down period but each button itself doesn’t actually DO anything

A more complex job is actually liable to have less buttons or at least buttons you push to the periphery that have niche uses (SCH and PLD have shades of this in the modern game but are also bloated to hell with “essential” buttons”) because different buttons start having different use cases (note this doesn’t mean “drag out shield bash for deep dungeon and store it otherwise”). This is much more how the ARR jobs worked, HW leaned too heavily on “juggle insanely tight timer or your entire rotation falls apart” which COULD be argued was fighting your hotbars over the boss but the problem is when everyone is fighting the same boss with the same hotbars that offer zero skill expression then someone is going to be overwhelmed while another is bored. Putting all difficulty on the boss only targets an incredibly narrow range of players that fit that boss’s difficulty exactly; anyone above gets bored, anyone below gets walled or carried

>>724983885
Pretty sure it’s just the retard copy pasting forums posts again.

>>724983885
It's ChatGPT samefagging. xivniggers are mentally ill

IDK, I guess I'm saying that if you took out the fights entirely and just had the raid story by itself, it would probably receive the same criticisms as Dawntrail. Writing that just wants to check off boxes without doing any lifting to make us feel for the characters or events on a meaningful level. Character motivations that are presented so flatly it's hard to believe them. This mindset that plot beats are successful as long as they are delivered, even crudely, instead of HOW they are delivered... Etc.

Is Dumpy happy that there's a ff14 new patch around the corner. Was he just seething on Twitter while he waited.

>>724983885
>Ask a legit question
>People are so used to the dumper flooding threads with negative images that they don't know how react
Talk about being conditioned lel

>>724984001
Thanks ChatGPT

PLEASE ADD DUAL DYE CHANNEL TO SB SAVAGE GEAR YOSHI P AND MY LIFE IS YOUR

>>724984278
Did you start your weekly Pilgrim's Traverse runs?

>>724984380
Did you seethe on the forums? With no threads you must have felt so lost....

I think it's a matter of setting expectations. this is a cheesy wrestling story, which is basically soap-opera-level drama. we're clearing that bar! and anything clunky feels apt! I don't know if they intended it that way, but that's how it ended up. DT's expectations were not set correctly at all lol

>>724982901
I like the game but it's pretty silly just how much money BP makes. kek

>>724984442
I've been permabanned from the forums since 2014. Are you getting ahead on your PvP series before it's gone?

>>724984513
You definitely ban evade. Man you should get a constructive hobby if you ff14 so much.

Actually make the jobs much easier to handle... there is too much of it to be able to hit that 100% that some people apparently battle for.....

Too many buttons and most of them is rather pointless anyway for all jobs or just some peculiar filler.

More challenged all bosses in the game... so you can be at your peak, as long as you don't die to the mechanics... besides the game

>>724984513
you should be permabanned from /v/ as well lmao

>>724984562
I ban evade on the official forums where your account is tied to your game account? How's that work? Is there a reason you're so hostile to the idea of talking about Final Fantasy? Have you tried playing it?

Don't really care about the glamour primarily interested in the new pvp map, hoping it's danzig madam 2

>>724984380
I’m about to go home and do floors 1~30

>>724984628
Are you keeping up on your Yok Huy quests?

This thread is doing gangbusters already

>>724984704
Enjoy. Are you gonna solo?

>>724984513
How the fuck did that even happen what did you post

>>724984751
due to spammers, sadly

>>724984629
You probably have alt accounts then, you are ill enough. Is there a reason you keep spamming your folder on 4chan?

Please dont bring back job difficulty. Make jobs more distinguished and different from each other, sure, but dont mess with job difficulty. The game is already hard enough. Just do Arkveld ex on blm and try to not get your leylines fucked up or just try to have uninterrupted uptime. The mechanics that the recent fights present nowadays would become so frustrating if they made jobs more difficult.

A good example is Valigarmanda ex. The 2min window where you place the fire puddle stacks made it impossible for ninja to use tcj. Ninjas got so annoyed by that that tcj is now full movement. You can argue if that was a good change or bad change, but it was a necessary change so that ninja can keep up with how hectic and movement intensive fights have become.

>>724984802
Some guy got really mad at a PS3 limitations joke. I replied telling him to get a sense of humor, which got me banned for a week. The next day I got another email saying I continued to break the rules (while I was banned) and it was upgraded to a permaban. The official forums mods are fucking lunatics.

>>724984920
takes a looney to know one i guess

GIWTWM

>>724984867
Instead of talking about the folder dumper, have you tried talking about Final Fantasy?
>>724984969
Have you planned out any new glamours for the patch?

I looked at crafter sets for the first time ever, since I tend to just buy the crafted gear from the market board. They have some really nice gear pieces that I'm planning to use.

The combat reform has started with 7.2, 7.3 ish. And what i see is that they double down on DDR mechanics rather than reducing them. So i believe 8.0 will double down on that even more. So if you have job difficulty on top of that then that will not end well...

When i think about job difficulty HW instantly comes to mind.
Imagine your combo breaking if you dont hit a positional or reintroducing accuracy or managing a multitude of debuffs or dots in fights that hectic! I dont want to think about that. I hated Heavensward for that and thank god Yoshi admitted that job design in HW was not really great either.

But i would like jobs to be more diverse. Change the way jobs access their power rather than just filling a gauge, do something else for some jobs. I liked the way Summoners had to "earn" bahamut in order to summon him, but with the current fight design these "job mechanics" would just end up being clunky and frustrating in most fights. Either because of downtime, phasing or too much movement requirements disaligning your rotations

>>724981468
Is there anywhere I can see the final playerscope scrape in detail?

>>724980261
she dumb

>>724985013
Y'shtola is for Squall

>>724984101
Well yeah, we knew that already.

>>724985037
Do you wish Yoship told you personally that he's sorry

>>724985292
That would be a good start

All they gotta do is revert them it ain't rocket science.

>>724985292
I only want Yoshi-P to make the game better and 7.4 looks promising but we'll see how everything goes. Why? Did something make you mad in Final Fantasy today?

>>724985292
yoshitpiss mutilates children

If you don't pay attention to the writing at all, sure.

Brute and Blade state their reasons outright to your face as to why, even if they believe you, they owe it to the President to hear him out or just keep fighting because he lifted the both of them out of poverty.

He's the closest Brute has to a father figure, which is why Brute being duped into something that'll outright kill him is portrayed as a tragedy. The one person he trusted more than anyone else opted to get him killed in order to bury the truth, rather than return that bond and, you know, not get him killed.

Green & Riot both explain why it's easy for them to retire - Green doesn't actually enjoy it, Riot would rather focus on her art.

They and the rest of the Welterweights all have something to fall back on, and it's heavily implied we won't have as easy a time with the next raid tier because like Brute & Blade, they're all people who were lifted up by the President from orphanages or destitution.

Its just dumpy and me

>>724984302
which one of your blogposts did i so unfairly label? perhaps it was the third one i listed, which was a word for word copy from a paragraph on the forum?

The problem is a lot of players think "more complex" or "more difficult to play" means just adding more buttons to press, yet for most jobs all you're doing is memorizing a string of button presses that repeats every 1 or 2 minutes. It's nice that SE has finally realized that we don't need 100% uptime on a boss, but we're still currently stuck with this 2 minute meta.

When I played WoW as a Warrior, I remembered not having very many buttons to press. I didn't have a 1-2-3 combo or a bunch of abilities that neatly lined up every minute. Sometimes, I would even have to press the same button multiple times in a row... but that's because a lot of my gameplay revolved around building resources, proccing the use of other abilities, and varying cooldowns that forced me to decide which ability would deal the most damage for that GCD. There was far more complexity to my gameplay than anything FF14 has to offer. The closest thing you get here maybe Red Mage.

There also was no 2-minute meta. The main burst phase was when you pulled the boss and then you had more personal burst phases based on what class you played and what boss you were fighting. Warriors had their "Execute Phase" because they had a spammable skill called Execute that dealt massive damage but could only be used when the boss was under 20% health, so it made for a good time to pop my cooldowns. However, some bosses required you to quickly burst down an add or get through a difficult phase quickly so I would instead need to save my cooldowns for that moment.

>>724985508
How many Pilgrim's Traverse accessories have you earned so far?

>>724981062
>>724981178
They're skipping SB MSQ ult to stick it into EW MSQ ult where you need Shinryu's help to battle Endsinger

>>724985540
You are such a disingenuous faggot don't reply to me

>>724985598
why are you spamming like 5 messages in a row. What about the new patch triggered you? The unlocked glam gear?

>>724980170 (OP)
Best LL in a long time

>>724985692
What have you done in XIV today? What have you done in XIV today? Answer my question. Are you subscribed? Do you play the game?

>>724980261
I ain't been subbed for a few months

>>724985692
What have I spammed? I'm excited for the patch. You seem very angry about Final Fantasy for some reason. Did something happen? Did you lose your frontline match? Did Yoshi-P call you fat in your ninja cosplay on stage in front of everyone? Tell us all about your Final Fantasy experiences.

>/xivg/ is a cesspool of avatarfags and trannies ERPing
>xiv on /v/ has multiple schizo's, avatarfags and a jannie who ruin discussion
>fuck going to reddit
>official forums are just as bad
>can't discuss XIV anywhere
Fuck this gay shit.

Not only that, but it also puts the difficulty setting partly in the player's control. If a job is too difficult for an encounter for you, then you can practice that fight with another class you have an easier time until the mechanics are down to memory.
Since most of the current difficulty comes from the fights themselves, that becomes more difficult.

>>724985772
>>724985815
When you sleep do you dream about Eorzea and Yoship

>>724985692
its a schizo, just ignore him

You wouldn't even need to do that for some of the jobs. Instead, you could design them in such a way that just doing the 'default rotation', eg their 123 combo, is decently powerful on its own, and if someone decides to do just the 123, they are doing like... 80%, even 90%, of the job's potential output

Speaking from a Healer perspective (because I main them, their DPS rotation is the most stale, etc), this is pretty easy to illustrate, I think. We have, let's take SCH. You press Bio, the DOT, 4 times per 2min loop. The other FOURTY FOUR GCDs, are spent on Broil. Additionally, because of the potency of the DOT (now 800p over its duration), skipping it entirely and using 4 more Broils in its place, results in a roughly 11% DPS loss (15360p per 2min for the no-DOT rotation, 17280p for the 4 DOT/44 Broil rotation).

Legit what is wrong with the game currently ASIDE from the story? I haven't played the game since 6.4

>>724985883
Today I had a dream about an anime girl having the skin on her face methodically sliced off bit by bit and she was screaming a lot, but that has nothing to do with Final Fantasy. It would be nice to dream about Eorzea. I think I'd like to live in Gridania if I had to choose.

>>724985850
it really is grim as fuck

>>724985850
>Lil bro has never heard of Twitter/X

>>724980170 (OP)
My dad drives a taxi near the square Enix building and he says the 7.4 and 7.5 MSQ are going to be about the WoL ending up in prison for insider trading.

>worse than failguard
kekaROOOOOOOOOO

>>724985998
If you hate anime why are you playing ff14

SE backing down from stubborn design decisions isn't going to be enough to save the game. Until I see westerner heads rolling at the office the decline will continue. And yes I am including Koji for allowing things to get this bad since he is in a supervisory role.

>>724986093
I don't hate anime. I didn't enjoy the dream, it was very uncomfortable.

>>724986046
I have friends in the Syndicate and the Sultana is my personal onahole. I'm untouchable.

>>724986059
Its went up to mixed now

Is it fair to say FF14 is in it's Warlords of Draenor era?

>>724986169
I don't even care about optimizing a fight on a spreadsheet, not matter how complex a job rotation is. May be the jam of some people and I respect that, but I frankly have zero fucks to give for that. Like, even if your rotation is complex and whatnot, you'll still have nothing to optimize below savage level anyway.
I just want engaging job and battle mechanics.

>>724986226
Nope. We are now in Shadowlands and the trajectory is still headed down.

>fewer players than black desert
dead troonslop

>>724985995
The battle content is great. Massive improvement over EW. Rewards themselves are severely lacking.

For example, you should be able to upgrade your Aetherpool weapon to have a cool glow effect if you clear Q40 in the new Deep Dungeon but all you get is just a title.

Savage takes way too long to unlock. I don't agree with people saying Alliance Raid gear needs to be the same Item Level as Savage. That's idiotic and will invalidate the entire point of Savage.

Those are the only things that come to mind for now.

>>724985850
The game you want to discuss is full of garbage people. Take the hint.

Yes, because if your job is more complicated, you should be rewarded for playing well and doing more than someone who is doing less complex things.

Instead, they just remove complexity, which is the usually the parts of the job that make it worth playing more often than not, in order for people to be able to pursue the big numbers. The most recent example being lobotomizing Enochian and reducing cast times on BLM. If you want a caster that has a lot of mobility with less thought behind the rotation, you have 3 other casters. They'll do less damage, and that's ok, as long as they still do a viable amount of damage to clear a DPS check. Instead, they remove the interesting aspects of the job to make it have an easier time with the fight design, rather than expecting people to figure out how to make the job fit the fight.

>>724982159
When do we get this mount?

I feel like this might be one of those things where we can't have both at the same time.
If they were to increase job rotation difficulty and complexity, I don't think we'd be able to keep the same pace that the current Dawntrail fights have.

We can but hope for a healthy mix of both, but that's in Square's hands to pull off

What I personally crave more than job rotation complexity is job rotation versatility and self-expression, giving us more the tools to weak and adjust based on our gameplay.

>>724982159
that's a weird way to spell archive

Dumpy you should buy a ticket the fanfest

YoshiP is going to chimp out and quadruple down on Dawntrail's bad story decisions in order to "fight back" against Sanae Takaichi.

>>724980170 (OP)
When is it?

>>724985850
patch lull doesn't help, but yeah discussion here has been pretty abysmal recently
>>724986368
>Occult Crescent
the actual mode is whatever, but putting in rare loot from bozja (and i think eureka as well?) in the treasure table was a fucking abhorrent decision. there already wasn't much reason to run them nowadays unless you legitimately enjoyed the content, and devaluing the existing rare rewards by making them fairly common chest drops (not even from golds, but silvers and bronzes) in OC was a terrible decision

They could easily make the rotations more interesting within the two minute meta if they actually pretended the other 1 minute 40 actually existed. Keeping the 2 minute buff window aligned across your party is ironically the only really skill expression this game still has even though they try to enforce it with easy cooldowns.

If they actually went in tweaked the filler of jobs so it isn’t boring 1-2-3 gauge building to dump it all in the two minute window then you realistically keep the 2 minute meta without the jobs feeling awful.

It’s not as great as dumping the whole meta in favour of returning unique damage profiles (RIP DOT SCH and sustained PLD) but it would be a massive improvement within their stupid “nothing will change” mantra

The raping will continue until you go back

>>724986356
The majority of the discussion on 4chan could be fixed if the mods did their job and enforced the rules faggot.

Man, people told me for ages /xivg/ is gay and thirsty and I've spent all day trying to hook up with someone over there and best I got was ghosted by a femhroth player and now known as "the catboy with the misshapen pecker" basically after all that work. It shouldn't be this hard to find someone in XIV these days.

>>724986993
Yeah that's never gonna happen. You only catch bans on 4chan if you personally make a janny mad by calling him a retard.

>>724986993
Jannies have a particular hate boner for xiv so

>>724987198
What chatgpt script generated this one?

I just don't know where the happy medium is other than telling the devs to calm down on the speed (for internet speeds), body checks (for learning), and flash (for readability) of DT and cut back on extraneous button bloat for older jobs. Also, this is just a personal issue, but it baffles me that EW went super hard on standardizing markers for the types of attacks we see throughout the game so parties can properly react in good time, even putting said markers in older content, only for DT to immediately drop most of those lessons. But also some DT fights are remarkable! The Arcadian is one of my favorite things in THE ENTIRE GAME because of how unique and creative the fights are. (And also I got good at that infuriating duel in Meso Terminal after a few more rounds and I appreciate it for telling us players we can absolutely handle all that if we just try.)

>>724987367
None, since it's my actual experience from spending all day over there trying to find someone to EB or hook up with since I'm tired of being rejected by normal means and figured since I obsess over XIV that connecting with other XIV players of the potential unhealthy kind might have been a smart idea.

I feel like a reject NPC in a Hildibrand questline at this rate since I ain't laughin.

So what triggered the schizos this time? Was it the liveletter?

xact same disdain as the healer that's only healing to use the most popular current day example
As others have mentioned, this was not a problem back in older days like ARR and HW, when we had Cleric Stance on healers, or Tank Stances on Tanks. The push for 'you must do the most damage you can' onoly really came into full force when, ironically, SE caved to the pressure of people saying that 'doing the most damage we can is hard, because of all of these obstacles in our Job kits, like juggling Cleric Stance'. As it became easier to get the damage out, the expectation to do that damage has skyrocketed, in a self-fulfilling cycle. It was possible to do runs of dungeons in ARR/HW/SB by pulling with Tank Stance active, and then turning it off for more damage, but was it ever the norm? No, because everyone had the common sense to understand that 'taking 20% more damge while getting whacked by 7+ mobs is going to make things harder for the healer and risking a wipe'. You can see worldfirst runs of ARR raids where the Healers are literally just either standing around, or half-casting and cancelling a heal onto the tank, with very little Cleric Stance usage, because they're very focused on the Healing side of Healer, and the fight enrage timers are super lenient so the Healer DPS is not as mandatory

Consider this hypothetical: On a dungeon boss, a player is using Broil (340p per), and not using Biolysis (30s, total 370p), or Shadowflare (15s, total 350p). They only use Miasmalysis (24s, total of 360p if no clipping) for movement. So, the amount of potency they're losing by using Broils in place of the DOTs would be about 300p per 2min loop, or around 2.5 potency per second. Even if it were suboptimal gameplay of the SCH to do that, it'd be far more suboptimal for a toxic DPS player to call it out in party chat, because they'd be losing even more potency typing out their rage in the chat, several magnitudes higher than the SCH is losing the party

>>724986108
if they allow me to marry and impregnate sphene, ryne, and gaia and meteion then ill forgot anything they do

>>724985850
Only time to talk about civ is when we get a new update and live letters and you have to do it asap or shit posters will ruin it for you

dead internet general

I may begin shadowbringers soon

The toxicity didn't happen from people complaining about "curebots" or "being carried on damage", it happened occasionally when people failed at their role responsibilities, like tanking the mobs wrong, losing aggro, not healing enough/properly, not using aggro reduction (for dps roles)... All of this has disappeared, but one of those is still there: not rotating defensive cooldowns (or even using them) for tanks, which was a lot more egregious back then.

You won't remove toxicity from any game as long as there is challenges. Even if the game was just a one button game with no action DDR mechanics, you'd still have people slacking somewhere and causing the ire of others. It's not a game problem, it's a community/human problem at the core. The only thing a game can do is increase said toxicity by doing some specific design choices that naturally encourage player friction.

Just because you don't like something doesn't make it bad. Too many people think their personal taste is objective fact.

>>724980170 (OP)
I don't know what's coming in the next patch. All I'm going to do is listen to whatever new music there is, and then go back to pretending the game doesn't exist until there's more new music to listen to.

>>724987981
That was happening in forked tower because one mistake from one person can kill everyone in a run that is costly to lose and takes a long time to organise. There is no comparison to job complexity in the HW era and how that translates to people not expecting 100% competency out of every player

>>724987840
What are you doing back there?

>>724987873
SE is too cheap to even redub the ARR voice lines when the cast changed, they're never gonna bother to redub the most lines in the entire franchise just because Sena is a bigger dick than the one he's sporting.

>>724987873
It's far too late to recast, 14 will forever be associated with Sena and Kate. Nobody's coming back for 8.0.

>>724987598
Yea and the threads being a bit too positive, when it’s not negative they spam the threads.

>>724987598
I think it was the unrestricted glams

>>724988030
Aye, and that was my point. People are already prone to being vile and hostile towards others over complex fight mechanics (especially any that can cause a full wipe), so changing it up to complex job mechanics instead doesn't just make that toxicity go away, it just gets redirected and becomes the "new excuse" to keep up said vileness and hostility.

I would not trust the kind of players who get heated and mouthy in current content to just be smiles and sunshine towards anyone not using their "optional" rotation if time of completion, or completion at all, hinges on people needing to do more than "standard".

>Mr Ozma is so smart bro
He follows the troon on twitter who got Susan Calloway fired.

Then there's the matter that those who got pushed out of the game due to the difficulty of Dawntrail's fights aren't necessarily going to come rushing back now that the difficulty got funneled into jobs instead, but rather it would just cause a new wave of departures, especially if the fights remain demanding ON TOP of needing to spin all those new plates.

And if they just tone down/rework all fights into a simplified cadence to compensate? Welp, there goes all the people who wanted hard fights AND hard jobs simultaneously, or the people who actually prefer the current status quo, but Square-Enix also can't just stand there and do NOTHING because there's definitely a lot of players who don't like the current way jobs and fights work either. We've reached an unfortunate stage in the illness where it doesn't matter what changes, or if "nothing fundamentally changes" at all, a lot of folks are not going to be happy with the end result.

You and others shouldn't have to be denied something more engaging when it comes to jobs and I'm right there with you with not being a fan of the DDR, but I don't rightly like the idea of having to give up the jobs I like either because I can't keep up with or even wrap my head around their possibly new way of working.

>>724988143
>>724988152
I see, they do have a habit of non stop spam at times. Hopefully one of them gets banned so we can witness another thread with 150+ deleted posts. Those are always funny.

>>724988429
Feel free to put your janitor application in.

>>724988506
Dumpy should do that

You would be able to 'opt out' of the complexities of the job's optimal damage rotation. Contrast to now, where you cannot 'opt out' of the mechanics of an encounter. I use this example occasionally, but look at the final boss of the first 24man of HW, Echidna in Void Ark, and DT's first 24man's final boss, Shadowlord in Jeuno. They're like two completely different games. If someone was struggling with the mechanics of the Echidna fight (of which there were far less), they could 'opt out' of their optimal rotation, in a sense. A Healer could ignore Cleric Stance, or ignore all of their DOTs and just use their filler spell, for example. But you cannot 'opt out' of Shadowlord's 'triple cleave, into double cleave from an add, into halfroom AOE, into halfroom AOE from an add'. And to add insult to injury, if a player is struggling with the current source of complexity (encounter mechanics), they get a nice visual element to show the whole party that they're struggling, called Weakness/Brink of Death. Toxic players would be unable to 'see' a player is using a suboptimal rotation without either watching their castbars like a hawk (which A: prevents the toxic player from being able to do their own rotation perfectly, and B: doesn't help at all when there's instantcast abilities in the rotation), or using third party tools (which is itself a TOS violation)

The uncomfortable truth that most people playing FF14 don't want to admit, it has incredibly mediocre gameplay combat.

>>724988768
everybody admits that though

I hate ff14 threads and wish they had some actual discussion of the game instead of some jerkoff autist posting old tired meme pics.

>>724988408
>>724988645
Are these forum posts lmao

>>724988874
Not raiders, I've said for years the game has incredibly mediocre gameplay and they defend it to the hilt. Yet you mention "2 minute meta" and they all of a sudden agree.
I would say they know it's mediocre but don't want to admit it to people who they think don't play the game as that in their mind gives people ammunition to use against FF14.

>>724985013
more!

chinks won

What is your fear?

putting the base difficulty on the class or in this case jobs, is straight away retarded, where it should be on the content you want to beat yourself, also you could even pitch in, same gear level for all and taking substats entirely away, but the actual difficulty slider up, in fact you would see more people clearing the content due to not having to be stuck on quite a few ridiculous base things.

>>724989229
Is this post trying to be as retarded as possible? Because if so, good job.

>>724989375
>Latinx
This is racist

>>724988929
I don't know what OP's endgame is - is he that desperate

>>724989375
Honestly, I would

Your idea still relies on both Square-Enix being competent enough to give all jobs dynamic levels engagement while reworking every encounter to be less demanding to allow those variable rotations to happen without incident, while also expecting players to suddenly stop caring about the contribution of others after nearly 10 years of "weakest link decides the outcome" where even Normal content has been encouraging that kind of behavior for a whole expansion.

I just do not have the same level of optimism you do for the developers and community to see even one of those things happen, much less both.

It's not even like I disagree with your concept as a whole, that things are still doable even if someone is doing the bare minimum and I won't miss all the floor barf, but man... expecting that from this company and this playerbase in current year? I'm not being pessimistic to be funny or contrarian here, I just think its a huge ask based on what I've seen, heard, and experienced even from just almost 3 years of playing.

>>724989508
>Honestly, I would

All I can hope for is that the raids will be good because that plotline is the only one I still care about
Also that 8.0 will completely 180 the story and be good again
AND JUSTICE FOR MY BOY ALPHINAUD

Newer MMOs, like FFXIV and World of Warcraft, tend to be very fast-paced and streamlined. In contrast, old-school MMOs align more with what you’re describing: mana management actually matters, you can’t just spam spells as a healer or DPS without risking tank aggro, and health and mana don’t regenerate to full immediately after combat, forcing you to carry potions and plan carefully.
It’s understandable why a return to that style would be controversial in FFXIV, even though I agree with the sentiment. If it were up to me, I’d implement changes like removing flying mounts, adding XP loss on death, eliminating teleportation, making mana management a serious concern, and doing away with traditional instancing, so that “dungeons” and other content occur naturally in the open game world.
These changes would drastically alter the game’s pace and mechanics, making it feel far closer to something like EverQuest than modern FFXIV. Yet, in my opinion, a system like that would encourage true socialization and cooperation among players, rather than the current style of instant teleportation and 10-minute dungeon runs with random groups. Ultimately, it would make the game far more rewarding and immersive.
Unfortunately, a shift like this is likely unfeasible for Square Enix. The logistical and design challenges would be immense, and there simply isn’t enough demand among the playerbase for a fully old-school experience of this kind.

>>724989490
xivcucks are deranged

>>724989432
I liked her better when she wasn't a Scottish man

>>724989375
I liked them better when they were a nobody and I didn't have to know they existed

>>724989853
Well not shit the raids will be good lol the combat stuff for DT has been great

>>724989847
I don't have many options anon

Raped and gaped

>>724988032
A moon cat was about to fight a sun cat no way I'd get in the way of that.

>>724990134
>>724989375

>>724989942
The problem with the old games is the endgame content
The more diverse and complex you make classes, the more simple you have to make bosses, look at all the old raid boss mechanics, they are barely fucking there, its mostly a dps check
And the more complex you make classes, the less balanced they will be
>b-but who cares abo-
The playerbase can, will and has optimized the fun out of games
Changes like these will simply invalidate 80% of the classes by the endgame and you wont be able to participate at all
I'm not saying the concept is bad, but its too idealistic, your playerbase will say they both want this and do everything to undermine/sabotage the idea as it goes

I've had an honest-to-gods BLM-bot in an alliance raid that contributed nothing, and only at the final boss did someone tentatively ask, "Are they ok?"

I've had an honest-to-gods melee DPS in an alliance raid that put zero effort into doing mechanics and kept dying. No one called them out.

I've had an honest-to-gods co-healer that pushed approximately zero buttons. Essentially no DPS. Essentially no heals. No one called them out.

>>724989995
I was able to jerk off to wuk only once, and it was facial abuse style but even meaner.

Not in a million years even consider the dogshit faggot peckerwood voice actor though

>>724990223
I really lost a lot of respect for him after he opened his mouth unscripted.

>>724990461
New thread without the fucking schizos.

>>724989154
>gacha
>auto combat

why does the spammer only spam during american hours?
curious

>>724990537
This site was made by an American for Americans so it's not a surprise at all that the majority of posters are Americans, even the "spammer", retard-kun.

>>724990419
I did get a fag botting as DRK during a Paradigm AR roulette a couple of months ago, very funny that the bot couldn't handle tanking Hansel and Gretel and just kept running into the shield and dying.

>>724990484
Alright were good the schizo went to the decoy thread.

>>724991353
How am I vizex if I didn't post a lala you stupid faggot

dead game, trannies killed it

>>724991473
Resub or he'll sue and copyright strike you, bigot

You can pin point the exact moment he started and stopped posting in both threads. Every post almost exactly a minute apart.

I guess the folder dumper is back

Im gonna stand at the Limsa aetheryte in my modern slop glam Dumpy and you can't stop me

>>724990537
You get a tripcode yet?

Have they fired Kate yet? It's imperative to the survival of this game that Kate gets fired.

>>724991630
Removing thread IP counts is one of the worst fucking things they've ever done

>>724982904
I would implement in the game the changes that XIVAlex and NoClippy makes to fix the horrible net code. This would be done on the next maintenance. After that, i would rush to implement cross-data-center DF and PF.

Yeeeeep.

I'm not sure what it is about this game, even WoW is usually less picky (apart from bugaboos like PUG leads expecting a META class and more hardware than Garlemald to be expected to get an invite to even lower tier Mythic+. Raids, on the other hand, are often more accessible, which suggests this is more driven by the fact that WoW's PF allows you to pick and choose which group applicants to actually invite - i.e., you're declined less because you didn't personally meet a bar and more because slots are limited and the lead had a better option).

It's more or less the five star gig economy social media expectation world almost all around. Hunt community is one of the few exceptions. You can get a nice FC (and I have a WONDERFUL FC) but even if you do, the game makes you interact with the greater community to a much greater degree if you want to actually do things (by contrast in WoW you are MUCH more able to simply keep to your guild and only engage with others in the world if you want to and otherwise simply basic courtesy).

I want a second Northrandt expansion

>Timestamps show that dumpy stops dumping images to call legit conversation about the game "from reddit," "from the forums," or "AI slop"
Pathetic

>>724991706
I would remove all cross-play.
Play on your own server and your own gender.

>xivniggers still pay a sub for kate cwynar's game
>in the year of our lord 2014+11

I haven't paid a sub since 6.5
I did Thaliak once and unsubbed because PvP was the only content I can do and I didn't want to PvP anymore (I don't really like PvP)
Extremes should be easier

why are there two threads now lol

>>724985995
The netcode is horrible, has been for many years and they won't fix it. A large part of the playerbase can't double weave nor weave on 1.5GCDs without clipping without using hacks and addons.

Data-center travel fucked the data centers that were not the most popular ones. Now people congregate on the one most popular data center to do things, and when it's too full they disable traveling there, making you get stuck on an empty server unable to do anything.

>2026 XIV
>One (1) Major patch for the entire year + a good chunk of 2027
Remaining content:
>Variant/Criterion
>An Ultimate
>BLU Update
>Beast Master
>Occult Crescent job update
>Occult Crescent North Horn

Not looking good.

>>724992657
>One (1) Major patch for the entire year + a good chunk of 2027
8.0 is gonna be early 2027

>>724992729
It better be pretty fucking early and not the corporate definition of "early" being April.

>>724992657
>An ultimate
>BLU
This isnt confirmed, but Mr. Ozma is working on something else completely new to XIV so in case Ultimate gets delayed they'll have another raid-like thing similar to Chaoticc or Quantum

>>724980261
Get on the ground or eat double-aught buck bigger

>>724993201
You wouldn't shoot a Lalaboy, your kin *takes a few steps forward*

And the point is this “put all the focus on the boss” is exactly what we have right now and people don’t like it

Content has a tiny shelf life because boss difficulty is tailored to only a small number of people who sit exactly where that particular boss’s difficulty lies

Rewards have become a central focus because everyone feels the need to be forced to do content because it’s minute to minute gameplay is bad

They are even trying to bring in things like quantum which is granular difficulty meant to imitate granular job difficulty

Job design has been the most common complaint for 3 expansions now

>>724993201
Yeah, you tell 'em sister! Rights for all!

>>724993545
No, lalas stick together, even Dunesfolk
/pet

GOOGLE DOCCY

>>724994215
AIIIIIEEEEEE JANNY SAMA SAVE ME

think dumpy won this thread

>>724993167
BLU was confirmed at fanfest
And we did get a "we're working on it" for an ultimate.
I would not be surpised if the ulti gets cancelled though, the last thing this game needs is more sweatslop

Double dipping but
>想いが動かす力
becoming
>With Hearts Aligned
gives me cancer and I hate it.

>>724994328
they can't cancel the ultimate, imagine a whole year without any content for raiders

I genuinely cannot wait for the pedophile that hosts the ban evasion methods to be arrested so /v/ cleans up the trash like what's in this thread. He caught the attention of KF recently.

Think about that. The person that spams these threads uses services hosted by the group of CSEM spammers to ban evade and ruin these threads.

>>724994479
Schizo.

>>724994516
update your folder
>>724986169

>>724994459
Oh no...
They'll only have the savage tier, Criterion and Forked tower 2....
and probably a 2nd Chaotic

The point is that for all raids (not just Arcadion even) people will say "wow great writing! give the writer a raise!" but the fight designers and others do such a heavy lift in terms of storytelling, from mechanics to appearance (stage and character) design, and despite that nobody really identifies those teams as doing nearly all of the great narrative work SEPARATE from the writer in charge.

So then people are like "they should bring back the writer from such and such raid, where I had a really positive experience" or something else focused on the writer and their skill only . Like a misattribution of WHY your experience was positive

>>724994148
/cheer

>>724992508
Abel thinks he gets to make a new thread any time he doesn't like the first one.

PT is the best content in dawntrail

>>724994513
Call me schizo until the pedo is arrested and you disappear for extended periods when banned because his site disappears.

How do you live with yourself using a site hosted by a person like that? I guess you owned the zivvies doe.

>>724994830
I agree but the bar is so low its on the ground

>>724994739
Fucking hell i thought Cain already took care of this schizo

>>724994830
Cruiserweight was, but PT is good.

>>724994901
i'm only a normal mode enjoyer. its an all around good tier i agree. but i like PT better

>>724994901
The highlight of Arcadion coming through
I mean the fight too, it was really good

Mogs mounts cheevos we got em
Drop crits on the boss we one shot em
Vizex with the Roe he's on bottom

>>724994843
no idea what you're on little pup

>>724995118
this brat dared you to correct her

and she ended up correcting you

>>724995239
ah, found OP! there he is!

I think this is hitting the tone of a wrestler storyline pretty well. I'm not emotionally gutted like I was with Panda around this time, but I am entertained by the parody and its presentation, and the music is part of that presentation. These characters pretty much cannot exist anywhere else in the setting.
I have to assume they had a ton of fun creating FF14s one and only pop idol social media sensation. It's nailing the camp of these kinds of stories and that is further elevated by the acknowledgment that things are following a written script both lampshading that the writing knows (...that you know that on some level is a gag) AND threatening to expand the scale of this plot like a KOF final boss, That's got my meta-narrative senses tingling. And the references to the history of fighting games and iconic plotlines like the Dark Tournament from YYH really gives the impression that this mostly lighthearted and somewhat derivative battle shonen anime was written with a ton of love for the media its riffing off of.
They could play it straight or they could go totally Getbackers with it, and at this point I think I could be satisfied with either.
Oh and this pacing is much snappier than the Dawntrail MSQ. I would say that even if you cut the fights. Some of the immediate positive reaction can be owed to the sense that FF14 was returning to form at least with the 8-man raid series if nothing else.

It just reminds me of the glitzpit

I literally just took DRK from 90 to 100 only doing FATEs and still needed 4 Demiatma. Currently needing just 3 now.

At least give us an option to buy the materials with Tomestones in addition to the normal way please. Say 200 each or heck even 500 would work for me.

>>724995612
people are still bitching about this?

>>724995612
It is tomestones.

However, before you get to the tomestone step, you first have to do the traditional relic grind to "earn" your relic. If you don't do that then you didn't earn it. In MMORPGs, you are meant to earn your rewards, otherwise they have no prestige or respect.

The grind is not that bad, really. If you think it's bad, then you should try playing older MMORPGs that make you grind for years to get things, and that's without accounting for eating and sleeping. This is a tiny fraction of that because it's a modern MMORPG.

>>724994628
There was a recent interview saying chaotic was a one and done. Probably did too shitty.

Why can't the fucking jannies just do their """job"""?

>>724996182
Thats a shame because it was 100% salvagable content

Going to any clubs this weekend?

GOOGLE DOCKY
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IWWfJW2qtJxvj9CcW0bAzLlB2lsmaF5zA6dghFY7vV4/edit?pli=1&gid=913041854#gid=913041854

>>724989154
Pretty much, yeah. I'm still playing in cn and S2 has been going well so far.

I resubbed too early

>>724996494
yay

>>724996494
You put your janitor application in?

>>724993283
Cool Duskie

>>724990017
That game has even worse modern and glowslop than xiv. Dumped.

>>724996494
Thank you Steve

it's over
it's over

would anyone like to do eureka with me where you are progress wise is ok I just want to help.

>>724997679
groomer?

>>724998076
content enjoyer.

>>724998305
aww :\

You did her event, right?

post yugiri's feet

think they'll ever add a premium currency to 14?