Thread 724989887

Pondsmith is so well spoken. He's amazing in interviews.

>>724989887 (OP)
nigger

>>724989887 (OP)
He has to go back to Africa.

>>724989887 (OP)
one of the rare niggas that reads

>>724989887 (OP)
he killed my character so he's mean >:(

>>724989887 (OP)
all he ever did was rip off William Gibson and make a nearly unplayable game. he knows shit all about RPG design. anyway, this isn't /tg/.

>>724991112
Gibson sucks

>>724989887 (OP)
Yeah he's pretty cool

>>724989887 (OP)
It's a shame he wasn't so well spoken when CDPR was fucking up Cyberpunk.

>>724991272
Gibson isn't overly masterful but you are lying to yourself if you think Cyberpunk is anything but Neuromancer with slight changes. Even the videogame is just a straight rip of the plot of the book for most of the runtime.

No shit he was even a radio DJ for a while IRL and he DJs Morro Rock (I think?) in CP.
He knows his stuff.

>>724991112
>all he ever did was rip off William Gibson
Yeah, but Cyberpunk 2013/2020 is still a great setting. He fleshed out a lot of lore over the years. Can't say the brother didn't work his arse off putting out sourcebooks.
>make a nearly unplayable game
2013/2020 runs fine. RED is a bit hodgepodge, but you could tell he didn't actually want to make it and was in someway contractually obligated.
>>724991272
>Gibson sucks
You suck.

>>724989887 (OP)
https://gamerant.com/cyberpunk-2077-classes-020/

>>724993625
>https://gamerant.com/cyberpunk-2077-classes-020/
There's a big story about the production of 2077. Allegedly, CDPR had an internal split over how to make the game. After Witcher 2 they were gearing up for Witcher 3. One team wanted to double down on the immersive RPG elements, and the other team wanted to make it more casual and adventure/open-world focused. Team Old-School RPG were instead offered to work on Cyberpunk, while Team Nu-School Adventure worked on W3.
W3 was an amazing success, thus "proving" that the Nu-School Adventure model was the correct one. Team Old-School and Team Nu-School were each apparently tasked with presenting a take/elevator pitch for Cyberpunk (which Team Old-School had already been conceptualizing for years now), and the higher-ups went with Team Nu-School's approach.
Obviously Team Old-School are upset, but keep working on Cyberpunk cause it's a dream gig, but eventually they all slowly fall off the project as the vision shifts away from what they wanted into what we got.
My understanding is that this is also the reason for the early-launch bugs - Team Old-School understood the engine extremely well, whereas Team Nu-School did less so.

>>724992843
Why would he be? He helps them world build, not make functional code.

>>724991112
Just a reminder that Gibson himself said high tech and low life is a shit setting. Have a great thread folks.

>>724991112
stop lying, anon. he ripped off Gibson, Walter Jon Williams and John Shirley

>>724994112
didn't know about that, even though I was following the development of the game for a long time, interesting to know
it explains many things the devs said years before it blew up

>>724994448
>Just a reminder that Gibson himself said high tech and low life is a shit setting
I think in a letter with Bruce Sterling they discussed how cyberpunk very quickly ran out of story once real-world tech started advancing so quickly. Hence we had a great run of post-cyberpunk stories and authors, and things like Neuromancer just remain as pillars of og-cyberpunk storytelling.

>>724991034
killed for good reasons

>>724994456
Basically after witcher 2 the director want to adopt more gta like approach to coattail success of gta so the team splited into 2 into pitch battle. the supposed work in cp2077 and the old school fellas from witcher 1 want to adopt tabletop rule and make it like nwn or something that adopt the rules to vidya and the nu boys want to make like gta and the nu boys views are shared by the director. The nu boys project currently is witcher 3 and it's a great success and with that the director and the nu boys win and we got shitshow that is cp2077

>>724989887 (OP)
seems like a chill negro

>>724994449
pretty much all table top is a pastiche of popular literature on a subject, fantasy is like all lotr and conan and shit, cyberpunk is gibson, wod is just anne rice and dracula and universal films and common myths and legends rewritten

>>724998092
Warhammer Fantasy is just Tolkein plus Elric plus Napoleonic War Games.

What other cyberpunk books should I check out if I liked this?

>>724998420
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13595000-cyberpunk
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/948138.Rewired
Both are anthologies. Cyberpunk is best consumed in small doses.

>>724998092
Exactly this. Tabletop has always been more about remixing than strict originality. The best games just refine the raw material into something cohesive and playable. Cyberpunk didn’t invent chrome and datajacks, but it distilled the vibe into a world you could actually run with a bunch of pizza-stuffed nerds in someone’s basement. Same deal with D&D-the magic lies in the tools, not the sources they borrowed from.

>well spoken
How much does this specific phrase piss off black people,

>>724989887 (OP)
You can tell how little he gives a toss about RED and 2077 considering how much effort he's put into Legends (which is set back in 2020, his preferred time).
>https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/450672/cyberpunk-legends
>inb4 shill, i just like cyberpunk

>it's bladerunner the game
>no hardboiled themes
>the main corporations are your complete and total allies for no reason
>no real message besides "play the game"
>game looks like a Dredd 2012 themed witcher 3 mod with pastel colors

>>724998778
>>well spoken
>How much does this specific phrase piss off black people,
I think the fact that whites can't tell that they're being patronizing is what annoys them the most.

But blacks have been so sensitive over the last decade that I really don't give a fuck anymore.

>>725000127
How would a Bladerunner game look and play?
For my money, you could either go;
>Isometric. Lots of written dialogue. Lots of branching paths.Turn-based combat. basically Neverwinter Nights but Bladerunner.
>First-person Action-RPG. Probably plays a lot like Fallout, but for fucks sake give it better writing.
You could play as either a Bladerunner, or as a Replicant. Or even both, in alternating stories.

>>724994448
>Just a reminder that Gibson himself said high tech and low life is a shit setting

Case is spending the first 1/8th of Neuromancer in the ghetto as a cyber-tard because he fucked over his last boss.

>>725000616
he's so me for real

Cyberpunk in fiction
>AI are like gods inside the Internets, Corpo Execs have cemented their eternal power over mankind because those AI are located on corpo's private spacestations, men who 'get it' basically just go out to live out in the hills to reconnect with nature because the System offers NOTHING but enslavement to the Corpo Families
Cyberpunk in reality
>dumbass'd AI is taking your job and you'll just starve because billionaires like Bill Gates & Tim Sweeny also own those hills, lol

>>725000808
In terms of dystopian fiction, someone once said that Brand New World ended up winning over 1984, insofar as we'd be enslaved by our vices rather than by any specific authoritarian regime. Make entertainment cheap, accessible, but keep cost of living just high enough to impoverish you.

>>725000737
Me too, Anon. Me too.

>>725000549
morrowind meets deus ex

>>725000971
It's been a while since I've read Brave New World but wasn't everyone living with all of their needs met? No worries about housing or food, cheap drugs and sex for all their vice... even the low caste workers were like lobotomized or something so they wouldn't be aware of their own misery.
Whereas here people might have entertainment but also are fully aware of precarious living situation.

>>725001330
We're not 100% there yet, but you can feel the current moving in that direction.

>>724989887 (OP)
>is so well spoken
Be mindful when someone says that about you, that can be considered a backhanded compliment sometimes. lol

>>724999675
2077 screwed the story-line by having any advancement cut off the multiple choice branches

>>724994448
>Gibson himself said high tech and low life is a shit setting.
Come to Brazil if you want any real proof.

>>724998778
That's a pretty good indicator that people aren't actually listening to someone despite hearing the words that led to that kind of compliment. It's kinda like being the odd man out at a social gathering where everyone's talking about something that you don't know a damn thing about, and then they occasionally acknowledge you're existence by fishing you a compliment for the nice outfit you're wearing or whatever, and maybe ask about your hobbies that they honestly couldn't give a single fuck about before they immediately go back to talking amongst themselves.

>>725002960
I've said it a thousand times, but Voice Acting ruined story games. Any autist could write thousands of lines of written dialogue - hundreds of branching paths and dozens of endings. But you can't feasibly voice act all of that, especially not with re-writes and lip-syncing on the table.
If we just stopped asking for fully VA'd games, we could get back some of that branching path magic.

>>724991112
>>724993498
Voodoo boys are just stolen from count zero so this isn't even just about neuromancer. he should be embarassed

>>724991112
Who cares you're such a fucking hater

Hijack the thread:
>What do you want to see in Cyberpunk 2077-2?
Don't be retarded, be reasonable.
>More impactful character creation e.g. lifepaths actually leading to different outcomes.
>Dual wielding.
>Proper borging out on cyberware.
>More options to mod weapons (not quite Tarkov-level autism, but at least halfway there).
>Radiant-Gigs: Fixers and Gangs will send out open-contracts (procedurally generated).

>>725006617
More stuff to do and a city that's way more alive than the NPC galore doing fuck-all we got.

>>725006617
No jumping right into high stakes shit, a big issue with 2077 is the pacing of the story and how you go from random retard to super important guy. It did not feel like the story of V (which in of itself is a different issue) it felt like Johnny Silverhand and the revenant he is inhabiting fucking around Night City. The sequel should be about some nobody that actually works their way up and only gets high profile shit after a certain point, no time skips or any other bullshit. Also no jacking off the 2020s. 2077 always bugged me in that regard, it reminded me of a bit of writing advice that goes something like “is this the most interesting period/part of your setting, and if not why are we not focusing on that?” Like the 2020s is this period of heavy hitters doing crazy shit and it’s constantly being hyped up in 2077, yet the most you get are Johnny’s distorted flashbacks and people gushing about it. And add in some proper factions and don’t just make them fodder to be gunned down in jobs. I mean let the MC join a gang, or something.

>>724994112
>but eventually they all slowly fall off the project as the vision shifts away from what they wanted into what we got.
Western studios actually headhunted them with superior offers which doubly fucked the cyberpunk devs since everyone who knew the custom engine well enough to teach others left

>>724992843
He likes the game however.

>>724991112
No. Stop this misinformation. He was primarily influenced by Streets of Fire, Bubblegum Crisis, Blade Runner, and Ronald Reagan. He was influenced by Neuromancer and Hardwired too.
>>724998420
Jennifer Government. 100% the same vibes, just 5 minutes in the future.
>>725000971
There is a third way. The original dystopian novel called We. It's almost utopian compared to modern day. The post-communist society ran by scientists is ready to expand into space.

>>724990239
Pondsmith is an honorary white man

>>725000549
There is already a blade runner game, and a decent one at that.

>>724989887 (OP)
I'm 100% sure the vision he had for this game was completely different but said yeah whatever once he saw the money

>>724989887 (OP)
what's his thoughts on the sequel

>>724989887 (OP)
He seems like someone you could have a pretty fun conversation with.

>>725013994
He said multiple times that he likes the game and CDPR has its heart in the right place, despite the buggy launch.

>>725014110
More Keanu.

>>725013731
I love how "Ronald Reagan" is apparently a genre of dystopian fiction.

>>725014715
Keanu is good. He was better as Johnny than any movie role he played.

>>725014671
To be fair I don't expect he would go around talking shit about CDPR unless he had been forcibly cut off from the project at some point.

>>725014797
The Witcher author constantly talks shit about them and brags about how much money he's made off their asses lmao

>>725014758
I liked keanu in devil’s advocate and constantine a lot, idk why. Fucking hated him in dracula and point break

>>725014893
Yeah but for him it was always just a paycheck, Pondsmith was an active part of the development so he saw first hand how the project shifted over the years and would've been accepting of it.

>>725014893
>be fan of an author and his books
>accomplish your dream to adapt the universe from his novels into a video game
>the video game becomes a cult classic renowned worldwide
>but on the other hand the author you looked up to hates your guts now
That must be a really strange feeling

>>724989887 (OP)
it's not fair that black people have cheat codes for cool
if a middle-aged white ttrpg creator wore those glasses he would look like a fucking dork

>>725014893
wasn't he seething because he sold the rights for pennies and they didn't share the profits with him?

>>725014893
sapkowski is a complete tool
Ebert-tier pseud

>>724990239
fpbp send them all back to Africa.

>>724991112
Blade Runner came out before Neuromancer did.

>>725014758
BIG KEK

>>724989887 (OP)
>finally buy cyberpunk
>day later threads star popping up
GET OUT OF MY HEAD

>>725015136
true. the rare conscious black man aesthetic is extremely effay
but they also have an association debuff, it's a shame they're so rare

>>725015273
Nah he actually sued them and got millions out of them because Polish law has some retarded stipulation that states "if the product makes way more money than expected you can renegotiate the deal".

>>725015136
He's literally the only Black TTRPG designer. Furthermore he's a Black weeaboo who designed anime games.

>>725000808
at that point why not become a terrorist? you have nothing to lose.
>>725006617
better crafting so im not beholden to rng for my gear

>>725014758
>>725014895
Nothing will ever top Bill and Ted.

>>725014893
>>725015363
Well, Netflix sure showed him.

>>725000971
>In terms of dystopian fiction, someone once said that Brand New World ended up winning over 1984
The truth is neither won out over the other, but that they both came true.

>>725014797
People that don't play the TT don't know that CP was basically dead after a disastrous 3rd edition. CDPR came in and financed a new edition that returned to the roots besides getting the IP for the game. The director of Witcher and CP2077 was a huge fan of CP2020.

>>725000971
they both missed the mark. the society of the spectacle hit a lot closer to reality.

>>724992664
That t-pose is amazing when its mixed in with all the neo bullet dodges

>>724998778
Negroes arent excluded from being actual retards just because of racism. /v/ its can be mouth breathing drooling retards who cant see an inage of a black man without giggling and typing nigger but that doesnt mean the majority of everyone isnt poorly spoken. It only pisses off people who actually speak in ebonics and are malding that theyre being illiterate on purpose.

>>725000971
>Brand New World

>>725000971
I think The Rise of the Meritocracy was better than either BNW and 1984 in terms of being predictive of contemporary dystopia. It was just too mundane in its presentation to ever capture the mind the way the other two did.

>>725013994
Isn't his input why the game doesn't look like the first CGI trailer which was essentially bladerunner-lite

>>725019147
It's more like when CDPR bought the IP rights they wanted to do a direct sequel to 2020. But he proposed a new edition that would beoden up the gameplay. In the older edition neteunners couldn't take part in combat if they wanted to hack. 2077 was written to make more playstyles viable both in the game and the rpg.